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There's Something About Mary - Marriage, Murder, & Mystery · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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[MUSIC]
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Acrimonius, as of this point in the recording, now my new favorite word.
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[LAUGH]
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>> I'm gonna change them regularly, but right now it's acrimonius.
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>> You know what, that's really in keeping with the vibe of Mary though.
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Because hers is sort of a, choose your own adventure type of story when you start looking nice at her history.
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[MUSIC]
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>> Hi Caitlyn.
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[MUSIC]
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>> Hi Creepy people.
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>> Hello.
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>> If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides
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where we chat about true crime, paranormal, and
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all things creepy in the Pacific Northwest.
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And we do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for deeper insight into the topic that we're talking about.
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So make sure to stick around if you're into that and if you don't know what tarot is,
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maybe stick around and check it out, it's pretty cool.
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And if you're wondering what the heck is going on, why this sounds so weird.
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I am missing my co-host Caitlyn.
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For the moment anyway, she actually has a guest co-host instead of me on for this episode.
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A big thank you to Lindsay from Ye Olde Crime for joining Caitlin on this episode.
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It's really good.
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I just edited it and I loved it.
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It was amazing and I'll be back for the outro y'all.
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Enjoy this one.
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[MUSIC]
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So I am Lindsay and I am the host of Ye Olde Crime Podcast.
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It's a show I do with my younger sister Madison where we discuss funny, strange, and obscure crimes.
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Pre-1900, when I say yes to your people are like, what does that mean?
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It sounds old and weird and it is old and weird.
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Correct.
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But in our context, it means pre-1900.
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So we cover a lot of cases that I guarantee you you've never heard of before.
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You will not hear us cover anything like Jack the Ripper or Lizzie Borden because those are
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very well known cases from pre-1900.
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But you will hear us talk about old-timey Western cannibals and a bunch of ladies that like to use
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arsenic to kill their husbands and their children from money and things of that nature.
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And we also try to cover cases about marginalized people to bring those to light as well and
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with a dash of humor.
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I love it.
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It's a great description of your guys' show.
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I can vouch for you guys personally because that's one of the things that I love about your
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shows that it's not very often that you guys cover something that I'm like, oh, I've heard
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this for even the second time, let alone the 11th or 12th would be the case with Jack the
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Ripper or Lizzie Borden.
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Those are the world's best known true crime cases, I think at this point.
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Yeah.
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And it's both a blessing anacres for our show just because there are sometimes when the
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cases are so old and they're so undocumented that it is hard to write episodes about them,
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but it is also very fun when you find a topic that you can kind of dig enough to find enough
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information on it and then discover something really, really cool.
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So I have been pleasantly surprised by some of our topics.
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I'll see something and be like, oh, I kind of want to learn more about that.
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And then as I'm researching it, I'm like, wow, this is really freaking cool and I'm really
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glad that we're discussing this.
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So yeah.
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I love it.
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Yeah, I can just see the wheels turning with the topics as you're kind of introducing them
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sometimes.
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And just like, you know, and you'll probably laugh at this, but in that way, I feel like
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sometimes as you start your episode, not that you guys have even like similar mannerisms
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or anything, but it's just this feeling that I get where I'm like, this reminds me of,
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you know, the handful of times where I've listened to Bailey Sarian and she starts explaining
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like how she falls down the rabbit hole on a topic.
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And that's, I imagine kind of how your research, in my head, that is how your research process
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works, except you have green hair.
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This is true.
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This is true.
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Yes.
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Half of my hair is green, not in some weird like, probably not in the way you're thinking,
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but I think it's true.
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Part of it is green.
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We'll have to try to sneak a screenshot from our little zoom session at some point.
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We'll make sure we pull out the ring lights and everything in honor of Miss Sarian, of
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course.
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Exactly.
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I got to look fab.
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Bob.
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Okay.
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So I know we talked about a few different cases.
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And before we jumped on to officially record like professionals, you said you didn't know
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what I had picked and hadn't looked into it.
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So I'm super excited to tell you about this one because I feel like you may have some thoughts,
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some opinions on, this is an old time you won.
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This one would be like right in your wheelhouse.
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Nice.
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I mean, as a listener, I'm like, it's right up my alley.
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So as part of your listener base, I'm like, this is up our alley.
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Yeah.
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Oh my God.
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Love it.
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Little Kate Bush for all you fans out there.
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Oh my God.
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I know, right?
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Everybody's like, oh, did you hear that new song like about that?
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Yeah.
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That's cute.
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It's like when Post Malone made that song with Ozzy Osborne and there were literal fetuses
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walking around on the streets that thought that Post Malone made Ozzy Osborne famous.
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Yeah.
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My favorite is back when Kanye did that collab with Draft Punk and some kids thought that they
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were Kanye's DJs.
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And I was like, wow, wow.
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You were so wrong.
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I am offended for Daft Punk.
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I am today, years old.
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And I had no idea that people thought that I've never heard that.
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That is just, yeah, wow.
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So I mean, every generation, every group of kids really does kind of think that like, oh,
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we discovered this or like, they're, wow, wow, wow, wow.
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Yeah.
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So much to have had there.
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But who has the time?
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You know, no one, no one.
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It was said that when Mary Leonard first came to the United States as a 16 year old Italian
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girl in the late 1860s, she could not speak a word of English.
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In addition to the great misfortune of being Shanghaied away from her home by a sea captain
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scoundrel, which is my favorite word as a scoundrel, as of this recording to be held as a
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captive, an ocean away in Portland, Oregon.
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She had been bound to him in an acrimonious marriage.
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Oh, scandal.
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I know.
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Acrimonious as of this point in the recording.
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Now my new favorite word.
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I'm going to change them regularly.
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But right now it's acrimonious.
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You know what?
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That's really in keeping with the vibe of Mary though, because hers is sort of a, choose
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your own adventure type of story when you start looking nice at her history.
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Nice.
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Yeah, you're like, hmm, does anyone know the truth about this gal?
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No.
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The short answer is no.
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Some retellings of her early life say she came to the United States from Switzerland closer
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to 1875.
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In this version of the story, she settled in the Dalles where she married Daniel G Leonard,
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because everyone had to use their middle initial, even though there were maybe a hundred people
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in the whole goddamn county.
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That's the only way you'll know that it's really that Leonard.
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Even if he was the only Leonard that existed in that county, he really needs you to like
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wonder what the G stands for.
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And I do wonder what it stands for.
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Mission accomplished.
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It's Gaston.
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Solved it.
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Daniel Gaston Leonard.
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I feel that nothing else it could be.
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We're done.
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Yeah.
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I think my work is done here.
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Just throw off my headphones and start out.
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I'm good.
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I'm out.
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At the time of their entry into holy matrimony, she was closing in on Spinster Hood for the
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era, probably still for the modern era from being honest at nearly 30 years old though
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Oh God.
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I know.
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Practically a thornback at that point.
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Is that a cramp word?
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It is a thing.
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I should look up what the age is because a thornback is the old mystical term for unmarried
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women in their 20s.
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If it's after 26, it's a thornback.
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So if she was in her 30s, if it's after 36 is a doom witch.
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I'm almost a doom witch.
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I'm not going to make it.
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But yes, she's in between a thornback and a doom witch.
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Wow.
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God damn.
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The fucking patriarchy.
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There's literally different tiers of quote unquote Spinster Hood.
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Yes.
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Cool.
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I picture her looking like Bowser.
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Like if she's getting ready to like go down the aisle, she like has the shell with all
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the like spikes coming out of the back of her dress.
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That is potentially fire.
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That is fashion week.
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I mean, she looks great, but woof.
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Oh my God.
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That's so funny.
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The more you know.
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Yeah.
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I always picture it.
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It's like childhood.
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Every time.
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Eradam.
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Oh my gosh.
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Though she was still 30 years, her husband's junior, roughly give her take.
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Oh, geez.
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Okay.
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I'm picturing it.
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I got it.
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Yeah.
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So I guess based on all of this, that'll make me a geriatric bride.
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That's what I have in my notes.
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But now we've discovered there's a whole different word for it.
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I just assumed that, you know, we'd be following the same rules that apply to pregnancy, you
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know, like after 35, that's what we call it, but no one.
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Like you said, the more you know, you couldn't have known how appropriate that was going
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to be.
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You're entering your doom, which era?
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I'm not going to make it.
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But you have to be 36 or older, right?
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That's true.
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That's true.
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You're approaching your doom, which era?
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It's right on the horizon.
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Wait.
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Just wait.
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Wait.
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You need to push back the wedding.
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I, I'm Lindsey.
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I'm a fucking idiot, but I.
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She said excitedly.
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I'm going to be 35 this year next year when we get married in August on the first, that
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is like the same week as my birthday.
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I will have broken the curse.
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Be a doom witch.
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You will have broken the curse though.
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So you will break the doom witch curse by being married before you turn 36.
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Not, dude.
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My birthday is July 29.
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Oh, my God.
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You're going to be a doom witch bride.
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For like three days, I will be a doom witch.
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You got to like own it.
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I'm already planning that like the bachelor at party is going to be coven themed.
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It has to be now.
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It has to.
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I didn't know why other than I just like it.
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But now clearly now you know the reason and it's happening.
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It's happening.
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I'm obsessed with that.
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I'm having a t-shirt made.
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I want you to know, you know what's funny in my notes, it actually says, but I digress.
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How did you know?
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Because I'm about to be a doom witch.
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I'm clearly coming in to my powers.
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Yeah.
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Whatever they are.
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Oh, my God.
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Okay.
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As all good stories do, this one comes in a three.
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Then in a third version as the story goes, Mary Geisen or Gyson, it's unclear to me.
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I've seen it spelled multiple ways.
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According to this third version, she was born in 1845 in France and she immigrated to the
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US by 1870.
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She was living in Portland and working as a seamstress until she met and married.
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Still same guy.
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He's kind of the only constant in all of this.
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Daniel Leonard dropped the G here at this point in my notes.
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So he was too good for it now.
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Oh, yeah.
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Definitely.
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He was like people know who I am.
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Well, it's funny.
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You should say that because he was quote a prosperous owner of a hotel.
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So kind of so they did know who he was.
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Yeah.
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Oh, it's, oh, it's all Leonard hotel over there.
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All right.
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Exactly.
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That Daniel.
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Okay.
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That one.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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He can totally drop the G.
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We'll remember which one.
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We know who he is.
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This hotel was in East Wasco County at a point where the Oregon Trail crossed the John
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Day River.
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Just a little nugget for anyone old enough to be missing the Oregon Trail game.
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I miss it every day.
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Every day.
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Sarah never gets a snake bite.
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I never die a dysentery.
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I never get to ford a river.
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That's the dream.
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It's so funny because I'm like everybody has played the Oregon Trail game, right?
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Like there's a lot of stuff that like growing up in Oregon and in the Pacific Northwest
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in general.
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We assume the rest of the country like your hip to it.
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Like you get it.
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You know it.
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Not dude, but Oregon Trail transcends.
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Um hmm.
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Generations, geography, all of it.
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It seems that some details are somewhat readily verified upon closer examination of her
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story.
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And thankfully some of the sources I found did just that because I don't want to.
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I'm not an investigative journalist.
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Or a historian just in case there was anybody that wasn't aware of that fact.
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As always, you can refer to our paste bin at the bottom of the show notes to see the complete
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list if you are some sort of a hobbyist of checking people's references and such a source
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scoundrel, if you will.
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Source scoundrel.
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I'm bringing scoundrel back.
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Back to our girl, Mary.
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She was born Mary Geisen, Gissen, some variation thereof in Alseus, which I'm sure is how the
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French people say it.
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It sounds legit.
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She was born in the mid 1840s for context and I'm just shamelessly lifting this directly
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from British Council dot org.
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Very fancy.
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Alseus is a region in northeastern France that borders Switzerland and Germany.
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In fact, it is so close to Germany that you can travel by tram from the regional capital
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Strasbourg to Kiel, the nearest German city in just 15 minutes.
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Damn.
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All those close.
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It is really close.
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Although Alseus is part of France, its borders have not always been clear.
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Maybe that's the story with her girl, Mary.
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It sounds like.
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Right.
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It makes sense to me that maybe people just thought she was from France or thought she was
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from Switzerland because they're like, I don't know.
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She's from that one city that nobody really knows who belongs to.
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Yeah.
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You mentioned that she might have been German too.
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It's like she's right in that little pocket there.
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Try country area, if you will.
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Yeah.
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I'm not really sure where Italy comes from.
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That's like Italy.
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It was Italy, not Germany.
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Sorry.
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Well, you know, it's a lot of places that she's allegedly maybe from.
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Prior to her immigration to the United States, there was really next to no information
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available about her life.
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And it would remain so until her 1875 marriage to Daniel Leonard because, of course, as we
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know, a woman's life doesn't really begin until she's wed.
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Facts.
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I can't wait for mine to start.
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Then you lose your entire identity.
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Yeah.
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Just become Mrs. Husband.
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Yeah.
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And a Morpheus blob.
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All we have prior to that is the 1870 census where she was reported as a 23 year old Swedish
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immigrant at the time working as a domestic servant to a man and his family, including
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his three young children in the city of Portland.
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So Portland's kind of the other thing that still keeps popping up.
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We know she was hanging out there.
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So the truth is that she was a Swiss woman who came to America quite willingly as far as we
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know, though the details regarding her husband remained truthful from what can be gathered.
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Daniel, in contrast to her 30 years, was in his 50s, though I'm afraid that's
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probably as specific as it's safe to be about his age.
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Could be late 50s, could be early 60s.
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What's a few years between friends?
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Am I right?
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Am I wrong?
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He was a very successful entrepreneur, restaurant tour, hotelier and ferryman.
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Nice.
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So he kind of had his hand in a bunch of different pots.
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Yes.
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He was pretty fancy.
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Unfortunately, the marriage was tumultuous from the start.
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In fact, the Leonard Stavores was in process when as the story goes, Mary murdered her husband
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Daniel to inherit his estate.
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Oh, scandals.
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scandals.
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scandals.
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scandals.
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They were married for two years before he apparently filed for divorce, citing her laziness
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in fidelity.
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Oh, and refusing his marital rights.
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Oh, gross.
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Gross.
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I know.
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That's actually in my notes.
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I had to say it because I did write gross.
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It just makes me think of that big daddy quote where he's like, "What's his five year plan
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did not die?
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Does this old balls?"
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His old wrinkly balls.
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It was so wrinkly balls.
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Seriously.
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Well, I'm back then, like in your 50s or 60s, like, yeah, your five year plan, "Hello,
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was" to just not die.
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Yep.
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So, it was the fall of roughly 1877 when Daniel filed for divorce claiming all of the things.
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Interestingly, there's actually a lot of speculation about the character of this dude.
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I know you're shocked.
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I am shook if to my core.
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The least of which stems from the fact that from one census to another, he would change
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his answers about not only his birthplace, but also his date of birth.
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Oh, convenient.
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It's unclear whether he told Mary the truth about either because it's also unclear whether
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he mentioned his previous marriage and the lawsuit brought by his previous common law
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wife thereafter.
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Oh, snap.
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Yeah.
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Those seem like, I don't know, facts of your life before her that a discerning lady might
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be interested in making her acquaintance with.
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Yeah.
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He was like, "Oh, these two red flags pay no attention to these two red flags."
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I know.
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I was thinking to myself like that scene in the Wizard of Oz, like, "Pay no attention
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to the man behind the curtain."
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Exactly.
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Wow.
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Are you sure?
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Sure, because he appears to be doing fireworks with glow sticks.
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He's got all the things.
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At any rate, when it came to their divorce, Mary countered that Daniel had treated her
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like a servant, requiring her to put in back breaking hours working in his hotel kitchen,
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which honestly, like, why would you even take wife unless you can treat her like a servant?
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A man, I'm kidding.
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Mary crossfiled, claiming mental and physical abuse.
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When her health had suffered, he had apparently refused her the resources she required, granting
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her neither the health care she needed, nor the money to obtain it, or any other essentials.
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She further asserted that he had treated her with physical cruelty.
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Of course, she would vehemently deny his claims of infidelity, you know, as one does.
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The judge presiding over their divorce proceedings ruled requiring Daniel to provide her with
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support while they were separated and sorting out these legal matters.
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Nice.
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I know.
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That's one of the few times you hear it, but like the woman being the victor.
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So loud.
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God.
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Daniel refused to make court ordered spousal maintenance payments.
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So rude.
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Now I wasn't there because this is well over a hundred years before I was born just from
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reference.
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So I can't be sure what happened a few nights later, but let it be said that in late December
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Mary did write a brother, I'm going to say nasty letter to Daniel saying she would have
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her revenge for his neglect, vowing to, and this is a quote, it's a short one, but get
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even with him.
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Nice.
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Yeah.
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So this marriage is giving some majorly toxic vibes just a little, just a little, just a
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tad.
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Well, as I alluded to previously, something awfully violent did happen to Daniel.
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Days later on January 4th of 1878, Daniel was found and not because he was lost with an
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apparent gunshot wound to the head, though he would not succumb to his wound until 12 days
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later on January 16th.
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Oh, damn.
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I mean, I don't know how much he made her suffer like how many days it equates to, but like,
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I don't know.
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What do you say we call it even?
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I would say, yeah.
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He had been shot with a small caliber pistol while he slept in his home.
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A small caliber pistol, you say?
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Well that sounds like the weapon of a "hormon" for a delicate science.
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That's right.
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And while there was no evidence that Mary had been the one to pull the trigger, it didn't
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seem like much of a stretch.
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Yeah.
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Didn't exactly need Sherlock to figure that one out.
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That's why he never put stuff in writing.
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Yeah.
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It's for the best.
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So the locals of the small town all seemed to agree that Daniel was not a kind man.
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So I think you can see where this is going.
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By and large, they seemed to feel that he had simply reaped what he had been sewing up
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to that point in both the marriage and possibly in life in general.
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So let's just say there was more than one person interested in him unaliving.
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Yeah.
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Ticking the proverbial bucket.
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As it were.
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Pting.
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Oil.
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While there were no witnesses, suffice to say Daniel's lawyer suspected Mary and her alleged
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lover, Nathan Lindsay, in the killing.
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Don't be smirch-lindsy.
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No relation to this Lindsay.
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I don't claim him.
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You're like, that's not how names work.
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You idiot.
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That's his maiden name.
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Or wait.
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No.
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That's not how maiden names work either, Lindsay.
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No, that's not how maiden names work.
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That's how man, man names work.
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Is there alcohol in this coffee?
28:52
What is happening right now?
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Oh my God.
28:55
That makes me think of old Greg Bailey's law enforcement.
29:01
He didn't take long to act arresting Mary on January 5th.
29:06
Actually Mary and Nathaniel Lindsay, a grand jury indicted both Mary and her alleged
29:12
lover on June 26th that same year.
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That's a long time.
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Yeah, I took them about like two-bind Jails to even indict them.
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Yeah.
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And then it's not that fun.
29:29
I suppose they were like, it can wait.
29:32
Yeah, it's this guy's killer.
29:34
It's fine.
29:35
Yeah, they're like, I mean, like, it's not like he was cool or anything.
29:40
I mean, if he was cool, we would speed this up a bit.
29:44
But exactly.
29:45
He was kind of a dick.
29:48
You got to understand.
29:49
It's not like anyone's actually clamoring for justice.
29:52
No one's actually upset.
29:53
We just got to legally do this thing.
29:57
No, like legally.
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Technically, I guess.
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Well of course.
31:45
So I think that's the first thing I've ever heard of.
31:49
I've heard of the two different things.
31:52
I've heard of the two different things.
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I've heard of the two different things.
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I've heard of the two different things.
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I've heard of the two different things.
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I've heard of the two different things.
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I've heard of the two different things.
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I've heard of the two different things.
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I've heard of the two different things.
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I've heard of the two different things.
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I've heard of the two different things.
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I've heard of the two different things.
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I've heard of the two different things.
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I've heard of the two different things.
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I've heard of the two different things.
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I've heard of the two different things.
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I've heard of the two different things.
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I've heard of the two different things.
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And you're tried together.
32:19
I agree with what you said.
32:24
#NotAlouier #WildSpeculation
32:30
#RailAmmetra Hour
32:45
#Ammetra Hour
32:48
And though Mary's sister lived in Wilsonville, Oregon, with her husband at the time, it's unlikely
32:54
she attended the trial at any point.
32:57
She had kind of grown apart, but the biggest thing is that her sister would actually end
33:02
up giving birth to her first child on January 20th of 1879.
33:08
So we assume she couldn't travel in that delicate disposition.
33:13
Facts.
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Yeah.
33:15
Which is like, I mean, June to January.
33:21
So she was only like three or four months pregnant.
33:24
What is the big deal?
33:27
This was also the time when they thought they were writing on the railroad would give you
33:30
like insanity.
33:32
So I'm sure they probably were like, Oh, God, is she's pregnant and writing on a train?
33:37
That thing's going to projectile out of her and it's going to just attack everybody in
33:41
the car.
33:42
It's going to be chaos.
33:44
Keep that woman home.
33:46
It's chaos down here, Tom.
33:49
Absolute chaos.
33:52
Over here at the B&O railroad.
33:55
It's so crazy because like, I mean, even the far end of it, I mean, this is obviously
34:01
by modern standards, but Wilsonville is like 60 minutes from Portland if you hit traffic.
34:09
So old timey stuff, you know?
34:12
Yeah.
34:13
Leonard would spend 11 months in jail without bail, though the case against him would eventually
34:18
be dropped.
34:20
Meanwhile, women's rights activist Abigail Scott done a way use her newspaper, The New
34:26
Northwest to support Mary's defense.
34:31
She had a, you know, some relatively powerful allies it sounds like.
34:38
Nice.
34:39
Also, people just like seriously, they just couldn't muster up a give a fuck for, you know, they're
34:46
like, yes, you probably killed him.
34:48
You know, like, do we care?
34:51
Yeah, we're like, but I mean, you know, he was kind of a good doosh.
35:01
Yeah.
35:02
Honestly, like everything that I read it made it sound like, what is this, the walking
35:09
dead?
35:10
Like I get it.
35:11
He was kind of a dick, but like, wow, you guys, that's cold.
35:17
I'm like, damn, on November 20th, 1978.
35:24
Yep.
35:25
It was groovy.
35:27
Yep.
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And he was zodiac killer.
35:31
Salted.
35:32
Salted.
35:33
Dooses.
35:34
Dooses.
35:35
We're out.
35:36
True crime is over.
35:42
We solved it.
35:45
And reincarnate Robert Stack, we solved this mystery.
35:49
RIP.
35:50
On November 20th, 1878, Mary was acquitted of murder.
35:55
Because, you know, it's like the least murdery murder they've seen in a while.
36:02
Yeah.
36:03
This was more of an indication that the popular sentiment of the day was that her crime
36:09
had been justified, but hardly a reflection of her being proved innocent.
36:14
In case that wasn't abundantly clear at this point.
36:20
It is said that many people believed Mary killed her husband.
36:25
But as he was so incredibly disliked, people actually felt sympathy for her.
36:32
And I mean, I could feel sympathy for her too.
36:35
He does sound like a real douche canoe.
36:40
I can't really say in this case whether she committed the air quotes crime or not.
36:48
What I can tell you is that if his murder had occurred just a few days later, she would
36:55
have been shit out of luck because the divorce would have been finalized and she would have
37:02
gotten nothing.
37:05
Oh snap.
37:06
Right?
37:08
As it was, she became the sole heir to a relatively wealthy man's fortune.
37:15
Quite a nice hall there.
37:17
Murderous?
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Maybe.
37:19
A stu-a-state planner?
37:22
Possibly?
37:24
Investors?
37:25
Possibly!
37:26
Later that year, Mary collected from Daniels estate as the sole heir and moved to Portland.
37:35
Allegedly.
37:36
Depending on which story you believe, who knows?
37:39
There's no way to know.
37:41
Following that sorted affair, as I said, she moved to Portland where she would quickly become
37:46
known as a defender of the down and out.
37:49
Nice.
37:50
Yeah, sounds good, right?
37:53
Mm-hmm.
37:54
Why do I feel like it's not good with how you said that?
37:58
Because, you know, we've hung out before.
38:02
This is a true crime podcast.
38:04
Exactly.
38:05
But soon, some of her other habits would leave some in the local community quite scandalized.
38:12
She liked the ponies, didn't she?
38:15
That's a good one.
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No.
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But she was a middle-aged woman who frequently courted men that were roughly half her age.
38:25
Oh, scandal.
38:27
I know.
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My goodness.
38:29
Apparently, she was the OG cougar of the Pacific Northwest.
38:34
Nice.
38:35
Snaps for this bitch.
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I mean, if they come a colon.
38:41
What are you going to do?
38:43
Yeah.
38:44
Honestly, I don't ever want to date a man half my age for a myriad of reasons that we
38:51
say I simply don't have time for in today's format.
38:56
But if that's your yum, I'm not here to yuck it up, girl.
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Do you have your fun?
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Get it?
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Any other pitty one, girl?
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Yeah.
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Get your groove back.
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Boss thing.
39:11
She also operated boarding houses.
39:15
Now, I realize that only Lindsay can see that I am once again using the air quotes.
39:21
Air quotes.
39:24
They were said to be utilized by sex workers of the era, but like, really, point to a boarding
39:31
house in the 1800s of which this couldn't be said.
39:35
Yeah.
39:36
I'm no historian.
39:38
That's already been established, but I have the distinct impression that you simply can't
39:43
find one.
39:45
Even if they weren't to quote unquote, "brothals," you know, sex workers don't just stay at
39:51
bruffles, right?
39:53
Like they stay in other places.
39:56
They go all kinds of places.
39:58
Shocker.
39:59
I know.
40:00
Knowledge, bomb.
40:02
Knowledge, bomb.
40:04
Mind blown.
40:05
Anyway, to me, I'm just seeing mainly a badass female entrepreneur who takes no shit so far.
40:13
But please feel free to wake me up if she starts really while and out.
40:20
You know, I mean, like, I guess the murder thing was, yeah, there's that.
40:26
She could have totally slipped.
40:28
He slipped with the tiny, tiny gun in his hand and no one knows what happened after that,
40:39
but then he was dead.
40:41
Just picture like a puppet hand coming in through like a crack in the doorway with like the little
40:47
gun in his hand.
40:48
Thank you.
40:49
Parkmark.
40:50
Thank you.
40:51
Good heavens.
40:53
I mean, by the societal standards of the time, basically everything she did.
41:02
She for sure was already while and out, but I have no notes.
41:08
I mean, good for her.
41:11
Oh, you ever heard that a Dixie chick song?
41:15
Because her role had to die.
41:17
Daniel G Leonard has, nope, I don't have to workshop that one.
41:29
Yeah.
41:30
So anyway, recapping.
41:31
So we're all on the same page with the timeline.
41:34
In 1878, she moved to Portland and began running her boarding house, her boarding house, in
41:40
what was probably the CDS neighborhood in Portland at the time now referred to as old
41:46
town.
41:47
And if you're from Portland, you're probably saying what has changed?
41:52
It is.
41:53
I felt like we were going there, but I was like, I'm gonna wait and see how this place out.
42:00
I mean, it's a cool, cool part of Portland, but she's seen some things.
42:09
This was of course after her acquittal, but keep in mind, she'd served a year while the
42:17
state put together their case against her for the murder of her late husband.
42:23
She would never have a chance to test out that age-old theory of first, the worst, second,
42:28
the best because she would never remarry.
42:31
Okay.
42:32
Shocker, right?
42:34
Yeah.
42:35
The first one seemed just short of a fairy tale, but she wasn't keen to sit on her hands.
42:42
Five years later is when she enrolled in law school.
42:45
So obviously, cue the legally blonde jokes now.
42:49
But like it's hard, she was first registered for courses in Portland, then eventually moved
42:56
on to study under JC Haynes in Seattle.
43:00
He was a renowned attorney and apparently this was a good enough opportunity to entice
43:05
her to abandon her boarding house business in the pursuit.
43:09
Oh, okay.
43:10
Well, she was like, I'm feeling really good about this.
43:13
Bye, ladies.
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Yeah.
43:15
Bye boarding house.
43:17
Ostelepizza gotta go do your sexy stuff somewhere else.
43:21
Or keep doing it here, but I just won't be hiding it for you.
43:24
Yeah.
43:25
I won't be a part of it.
43:27
Honestly, if I'm not here, what's even the point?
43:31
In October 1884, she passed the Washington bar and was admitted to practice in Washington
43:39
on March 11th of 1885.
43:42
So kind of dragging their feet there a little bit, but thus becoming the first woman in the
43:47
state of Washington to be licensed to practice law.
43:53
That's pretty cool.
43:54
I know.
43:55
She's like, listen, I don't like to brag except I totally do.
44:01
I'm kind of a big fucking deal.
44:04
And I may or may not have killed my husband, but you know what?
44:09
Lawyer.
44:10
She just like flashes her certification.
44:15
Lawyer.
44:16
Lawyer.
44:19
Shortly thereafter, Mary returned to Portland and applied to practice law in Oregon.
44:24
But here's the thing about old-timey Oregon that we don't like to talk about so much in
44:30
polite company as it were.
44:35
People from Oregon hate it when you talk about this.
44:38
Let's go.
44:39
Let's go there.
44:40
Yeah.
44:41
Because I'm not from Oregon and I don't know.
44:43
And you're like, no.
44:46
Tell me something awful.
44:48
Spill that tea.
44:50
History.
44:53
Many of the states and happenings were not only racist, which I think is pretty well established
44:59
about the state of Oregon, white sheets and all, but they were also terrible sexists and
45:05
misogynists.
45:06
Because who wants to be just one thing?
45:11
We're multifaceted.
45:12
Yes.
45:13
In our hatred.
45:14
In our hatred.
45:15
Everyone who's not a cis-white man.
45:18
I get it.
45:19
I get it.
45:20
People that are different are scary.
45:23
So of course, the men of the town weren't going to let this go down without putting up
45:27
a fight.
45:28
Apparently, they found the time in between burping contests at the local tavern and visiting
45:33
their mistresses in local boarding houses to put up quite a fuss while still making it
45:39
home in time to complain about the dinner their wives had prepared.
45:44
Nice.
45:45
So it's time management.
45:47
Exactly.
45:48
So you see ladies, you really can have it all.
45:52
I was like, it's not too much, but it's just like.
45:57
Seriously, don't y'all have better things to do?
46:01
Like, Jesus, weren't people still dying of the common cold every year?
46:06
Fuck's sake.
46:07
Yeah.
46:09
On March 18th, 1885, the Oregon Supreme Court refused to admit Mary, claiming the law
46:15
only allowed for men to be admitted to the bar.
46:19
So of course, a judge has to get involved.
46:21
In this case, Judge Matthew ordered her, declared her, whatever.
46:25
I don't know.
46:26
He said, I'm a judge and I've in the appropriate official legal fashion, he said that she should
46:33
be able to practice in federal court.
46:36
He was like, that is it.
46:39
Put my foot down.
46:40
Don't make me turn this car around.
46:43
And everyone was like, nah.
46:45
Yeah.
46:46
Yeah.
46:47
That's exactly what how did you know?
46:50
She can jump.
46:54
[LAUGHTER]
46:57
Federal judge Matthew Didi of the US District Court for the District of Oregon finding no similar
47:04
prohibition in his interpretation of the law, admitted Mary to the federal bar in Oregon
47:11
on March 27th of 1885.
47:15
Finally, that seems like that would be the last of it, but apparently not.
47:20
Cool.
47:21
Cool.
47:22
Cool.
47:23
She turned that car around.
47:25
Damn it.
47:27
Though it was common practice to recognize other legal professionals from neighboring jurisdictions
47:32
without much concern, the state of Oregon denied her application with the bar association
47:39
because the men folk weren't prepared to let this lady of the law win so easily after all.
47:46
Basically, they were just whining just so much mediocre, white male whining.
47:55
It's not fair.
47:57
She can't do that.
47:58
You can't do that.
48:00
Turns out she got a uterus.
48:03
Yeah.
48:04
[LAUGHTER]
48:05
Gross.
48:06
[LAUGHTER]
48:08
So she lobbied the legislature to ensure that the state would be required to allow women
48:13
admission to the bar because remember, she was initially licensed in Washington.
48:18
So it's all this jurisdictional, holo blue.
48:24
In November 1885, the Oregon legislature passed a law supported by Mary that allowed
48:29
women to be admitted to the bar.
48:31
So again, like, are we done yet?
48:35
No.
48:36
Mm-hmm.
48:37
Then the state Supreme Court responded by throwing together a totally bullshit one-year
48:42
residency program.
48:44
This all fixer.
48:45
Yeah.
48:46
They were so upset about a hormone practicing law.
48:51
This was a law that was basically designed expressly to hopefully derail her application
48:57
rather than outright denying it because, you know, that didn't work out for them.
49:01
She argued her case in front of the Supreme Court and in person.
49:05
This was at a time when women did not do a lot of public speaking, mind you.
49:10
Oh, yeah.
49:11
Mm-hmm.
49:12
Because that's not very lady like we're supposed to be seen, not heard.
49:17
Oh my God, that is exactly what I thought to myself when I was writing this.
49:21
I was like, wait, that's only children, right?
49:24
I'm like, nah.
49:25
It's the 1800s.
49:26
What am I saying?
49:28
Mm-hmm.
49:29
It's everybody.
49:30
That's not a man.
49:31
Yeah.
49:32
She argued that exceptions had been made for 12 other male applicants.
49:38
So, you know, they kind of set the press.
49:42
And all that.
49:44
Mm-hmm.
49:45
She made a very compelling argument against them, essentially leaving them with no choice,
49:51
even considering the threat of bears being able to smell her menstruation.
49:57
I love ink and man so much.
50:02
Then, on April 13th, 1886, Mary was admitted by the Oregon Supreme Court as Oregon's first
50:12
female lawyer.
50:13
Finally.
50:14
Yeah, but like, for real this time because apparently that other time was like kind of just
50:22
a trial for funsies and they're like, nah, nah, nah, nah.
50:26
Yeah.
50:27
Now, she may have been victorious in her hard fought battle for the right to practice law,
50:32
but she wasn't a particularly successful attorney, which is kind of a bummer.
50:40
Yeah.
50:41
Like, thanks a lot, Mary.
50:44
However, she did become notable in her own way.
50:51
She mostly represented sex workers, gamblers, and average laborers in criminal court.
50:58
Mary's colorful life continued as she developed a practice in Portland, working mainly in
51:04
the police courts.
51:07
You know, working with those undesirables.
51:10
Mm-hmm.
51:12
To supplement what was a fairly poultry income from her law practice, she reopened a boarding
51:18
house.
51:19
She was also a wild drinker known for partying around town amongst her younger male colleagues.
51:26
What?
51:27
I know.
51:29
Old habits die hard.
51:30
Am I right?
51:32
You are right.
51:33
Aha.
51:34
Now, that is a lady.
51:38
Stay golden, Boneyboy.
51:41
That's how I picture her is that character.
51:46
It is said that she developed a reputation for fighting and drinking with male attorneys.
51:52
So hopefully she had a tolerance for the booze and wasn't my height.
52:00
In 1897, Mary was arrested for threatening to kill the landlord of her boarding house
52:06
when he attempted to evict her from his property.
52:10
Kind of seems like maybe it backs up that whole story about how she like, I don't know,
52:15
maybe kind of killed her previous husband, but could be totally unrelated.
52:20
After a trial described as a circus, Mary was once again acquitted because she barely
52:27
has nine lives.
52:31
For real.
52:32
Later, she was convicted of embezzlement of $1.40 relating to refusing to pay a witness
52:42
and went to jail after she refused to pay the fine.
52:45
So doesn't like to pay the bills.
52:49
Like, she went to jail for like, I probably have that in my pocket right now.
52:54
I realize it was a different time.
52:55
Oh my God.
52:56
That is so good.
52:58
Less than $2 worth of embezzlement and I'm just going to go to jail.
53:01
Take me away, officer.
53:04
Cuff them, Dan O.
53:09
Mary continued her practice in Portland until June 1912 and she died on October 24 of
53:16
1912.
53:18
This was just two weeks after being admitted to a hospital in Multnomah County, Oregon.
53:24
At the time of her death, she was said to be practically penniless and without a close
53:27
friend left.
53:30
So no wonder she didn't want to pay the dollar 40.
53:33
She was like, I need this.
53:36
You don't understand.
53:39
I can't even afford to stay in my own boarding house.
53:41
I need this money.
53:43
Exactly.
53:45
Apparently she has no marked grave.
53:48
And though it's possible that her remains were sent to the University of Oregon Medical
53:52
School.
53:53
And he associated records from that era are long since disappeared following a fire
53:59
worthy were housed as our good friend Bailey would say, so spish.
54:06
You know, because she's our bestie now.
54:10
I mentioned her once casually in passing them.
54:13
Now we're BFFs.
54:15
That's how that works.
54:20
So that's pretty dark depending on how you look at it.
54:22
But let's close out the case on a quote from Mary herself.
54:26
It's from the victory party slash press conference that she threw for herself following the
54:34
acquittal in the case brought against her by her landlord dating back to 1897.
54:43
She said of herself.
54:46
And yes, I quote, the lady is not young or stylish with all she is calmly and attractive,
54:53
possessed of sparkling wit and her company pleases young attorneys.
55:00
And I was like, what?
55:05
So essentially she's like my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
55:09
Yeah.
55:11
Like the milkshake has been sitting now on the counter for a couple minutes, but like,
55:15
they're still coming for it.
55:17
Yeah.
55:18
But like, it's still good to sum it up.
55:20
It's still good.
55:21
I love a room temp milkshake.
55:23
Who doesn't?
55:24
Oh my god.
55:25
I'm a raving lunatic.
55:27
Okay, we're going to move the wine.
55:30
I will tear it.
55:31
We'll give them one more good shuffle.
55:40
My tiny baby hands.
55:44
You have strong hand.
55:46
Exactly.
55:47
Have you ever had a tarot reading done?
55:53
Once.
55:54
Once.
55:55
Okay.
55:56
We're going to have to come on and like do like a tarot reading just like, just for like you,
56:03
just for funsies, one of these.
56:06
This is so much fun.
56:08
I like them.
56:09
Okay.
56:10
So you're going to laugh.
56:11
This is the card that Cassie is like her card.
56:16
Like, shows up for her all the time.
56:18
She is going to probably laugh her ass off that it's the card that I picked for this case
56:24
when she's not here.
56:26
So our card for Mary is the fool.
56:31
Also Cassie's card.
56:35
I drew it in the reverse, which doesn't happen to us super often.
56:39
I feel like we usually get it upright.
56:41
So we'll see.
56:43
It's kind of an interesting one.
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Key words for the card are innocence, beginnings, trust, hope and opportunity.
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Kind of the overarching premise of the card is really about like a new beginning or just kind of a rebirth.
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The first card in the major arcana, the fool begins your journey toward wisdom.
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The fool represents innocence and faith, the naive confidence of youth.
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Shown as a young traveler, he embarks on an adventure without a care in the world.
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Unconcerned about the potential dangers that lurk ahead on the path.
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In some decks, he appears as a happy go lucky young male standing at the edge of a cliff.
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Just about to step off into the great unknown.
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Often he carries all his worldly possessions tied in a small bag on a stick over his shoulder, like a.
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A bird that is no longer in common usage.
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Like an unhoused person, I'm sorry.
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Suggesting he doesn't have a lot of baggage yet and is open to life's experiences.
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In some decks, he is accompanied by a dog or another animal, which represents natural instincts.
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The fool symbolizes the blind leap of faith we almost take upon entering the journey of life.
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If the fool is reversed, you may feel restless and bored, eager to try something new.
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But now is probably not the right time to act.
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I think of this as the don't quit your day job card.
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That's kind of funny.
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She wasn't a very good lawyer.
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She gave up her boarding house business and then eventually came back to it.
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That's pretty funny.
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That is funny.
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In a reading about money, you may not have all the information you need to make a well-founded decision.
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An impulsive action could lead to a fall.
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Someone may take advantage of your innocence.
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The reversed fool can also mean you're vacillating or overly cautious about money matters.
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I wouldn't say that was for problem so much.
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No.
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If the reading is about your job, your current situation has probably led to a dead end
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or you've grown bored with the career path you're on.
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It's time to strike out in a new direction.
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Don't do this hastily, however.
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Gather information and explore possibilities.
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Well, I mean, she did kind of nail that.
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She did.
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She did.
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Like 60% of the time it works every time.
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In a reading about love, this card can warn you to look more closely at a partner or relationship.
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Things may not be what you think.
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That feels right.
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Yeah.
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The reversed fool may also indicate the end of a relationship and greater freedom as a result.
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That hits the nail on the head just a little bit.
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Wow.
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It's a little on the nose.
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Holy shit.
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Think before you act, however, for you might regret a breakup undertaken hastily.
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That's a little too pistol on the head one might say.
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Oh my god.
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Oh, I see.
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I'm going to die.
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That is just.
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That's too perfect.
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Oh my god, what the fuck is that movie? A fucking name.
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Do you know what I'm talking about? Yes.
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I'm so sorry, Cassie.
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She said here like, what the actual fuck you guys?
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Oh my god. I'm so sorry. Bless your heart for having to sift through this.
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Yeah. I told her she could start training me to, you know, do a little editing on the side.
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She's might be the thing that breaks her. Yeah. This is going to be it.
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Secretly, she's probably like, listen, dummy. That sounds good and theory, but you're basically untrainable.
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You're like an unhoused broken dog.
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I didn't want to say it. You damn dune which?
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