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Credlin | 23 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kramba live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome to the show. I'm live again from London today,
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Speaker 2: but I'm coming to you from the actual conference of ARC,
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Speaker 2: the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship. Here's what's coming up tonight
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Speaker 2: on the show. The Greens do a deal with Labor
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Speaker 2: to pass the government's controversial tax changes. So what's in it?
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Speaker 2: How fair has the criticism been? They say it's bad
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Speaker 2: legislation now made even worse. A firing question time Steve
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Speaker 2: Steve Price and I will get you across the detail
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Speaker 2: in a moment. The fallout two from Keir Starmer's resignation.
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Speaker 2: It's been a busy twenty four hours in London. Former
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Speaker 2: PM Tony Abbats here with me. We'll get his reaction
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Speaker 2: and those leaks from the Coalition party room where Liberal
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Speaker 2: Andrew Hasty took aim at One Nation Albanizy target Paul
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Speaker 2: Hnson over her criticism of multiculturalism. She says we need
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Speaker 2: to have just to one culture. He's condemned her. Yet
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of people here saying that we've got
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Speaker 2: to walk away from multiculturalism. We'll catch up with one
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Speaker 2: of them. The outspoken historian rape, hadel Man coup and
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Speaker 2: that last minute's shock decision by Ben Robert Smith not
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Speaker 2: to attend the War memorial tonight. So what's behind it
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Speaker 2: is change and what's your reaction been? Steve will Cross
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Speaker 2: live to the event. Let's sad now to camera for
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Speaker 2: tonight's political headlines with our reporter cam.
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Speaker 3: Ridden deal done. Labour's changes to capital gains tax and
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Speaker 3: negative gearing will become law within a fortnight.
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Speaker 4: For the first time in a long while, Young Australians,
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Speaker 4: you're getting.
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Speaker 3: A fair crack, the government agreeing to prevent super funds
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Speaker 3: from borrowing to invest in residential housing in exchange for
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Speaker 3: Green's support. Today we have found out that the government
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Speaker 3: has done a dangerous deal with the Greens. The minor
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Speaker 3: party has also secured a two month extension for an
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Speaker 3: inquiry into NDS cuts, which would save the budget thirty
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Speaker 3: five billion dollars over four years. We will continue to
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Speaker 3: work to have it chucked back into the bin.
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Speaker 1: The Government remains convinced that this is absolutely the right package.
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Speaker 3: But some Liberals are far from convinced by their leader's
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Speaker 3: strategy to combat the rise of Pauline Hansen. Front bencher
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Speaker 3: Andrew Hasty told the party room on Tuesday he would
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Speaker 3: rather get taken out in a box than bend the
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Speaker 3: knee to one Nation, much to the Prime Minister's enjoyment.
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Speaker 4: How about you stand up to one nation on se
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Speaker 4: howbut you prepare? How about you prepared to follow this
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Speaker 4: bloke's leadership and not bend the knee.
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Speaker 3: The comments reflect a growing frustration within Angus Taylor's team.
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Speaker 3: Some Liberals believe attacking one Nation would only alienate voters
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Speaker 3: they need to win back, but those at risk of
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Speaker 3: losing their seats are increasingly of the view they need
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Speaker 3: to fight the party head on or die trying. Well,
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Speaker 3: what is the difference between the coalition and One Nation
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Speaker 3: right now?
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Speaker 5: Well that I'd focus on two differences that are very
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Speaker 5: very important, and that is that we have a credible plan.
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Speaker 5: We are a team and we work as a team.
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Speaker 5: These are people who are part of a team that
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Speaker 5: can deliver and that is a big difference from what
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Speaker 5: we are seeing from Labor right now and what we
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Speaker 5: would see from others.
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, But for some in his ranks
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Speaker 3: it's still not different enough. Cameron Redden's Sky News Canberra,
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Speaker 3: as I.
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Speaker 2: Said, it's been a busy day and a pretty far
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Speaker 2: at requestioned time. As I said, joining me now to
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Speaker 2: discuss all the big stories at home in Australia. Steve
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Speaker 2: Price coming to me of course from Melbourne. We'll go
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Speaker 2: to that political news at the top. This dirty deal,
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Speaker 2: Steve on the tax that's what the opposition is calling it,
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Speaker 2: on these tax changes as labor deals with the Greens
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Speaker 2: now to pass those controversial reforms in the Upper House.
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Speaker 2: The PMO couldn't help with a take a swipe at
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Speaker 2: the opposition today, haven't.
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Speaker 6: I expect that just as the three right wing parties
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Speaker 6: have opposed every one of our tax cuts, every pay
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Speaker 6: rise for workers, every cost of living measure, every policy
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Speaker 6: to build more homes and help more people buy a
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Speaker 6: first home, they will oppose these measures and continue in
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Speaker 6: their race to the bottom to see who can be
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Speaker 6: more anti aspirational, more anti worker, and confirm that they're
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Speaker 6: defined purely by what they're against.
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Speaker 2: It's always about the ranked politics with this bloke, isn't it, Steve?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, it is.
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Speaker 8: Peter Good join you again. I mean he's a hypocrite,
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Speaker 8: Anthony Albaniz, He means rabbiting on there today about how
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Speaker 8: you know one nation and the coalition shouldn't be doing
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Speaker 8: a deal together. And how Angus Taylor is beholden to
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Speaker 8: what one nation wants him to do. But he goes
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Speaker 8: off and does a deal with the Greens to get
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Speaker 8: his tax package through the Senate. And today we learn,
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Speaker 8: of course now that self managed super funds are going
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Speaker 8: to be prevented from investing in real estate. So how
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Speaker 8: is that going to help housing stocks around the country.
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Speaker 8: I mean, we're going to have a situation where rents
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Speaker 8: are just going to go through the roof. I don't
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Speaker 8: clearly don't understand, and I don't think the government understands
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Speaker 8: playing with the real estate market Peter is a dangerous
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Speaker 8: thing to do. I don't think they realize the impact
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Speaker 8: that that is going to have in two years to
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Speaker 8: the next election. I mean, we're going to find out
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Speaker 8: pretty quickly what that means, because no one's going to
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Speaker 8: be investing in places for people to buy and live in.
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Speaker 2: I think it's an unexploded bomb. We're already seeing some
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Speaker 2: of the fallout with auction rates. Of course, house of
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Speaker 2: values will take a bit longer, but that'll be people
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Speaker 2: that aren't even moving out of their homes aren't even
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Speaker 2: selling their homes, but they're looking at the value. They
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Speaker 2: know what they pay on their mortgage. We know that
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Speaker 2: there's also talk of two more rate rises, potentially more.
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Speaker 2: And you're right to point out in all of this
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Speaker 2: it's not just the homeowners impacted, it's renters too.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, and look where is it. Why would is the
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Speaker 8: government allowed to tell you, if you have a self
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Speaker 8: managed super fund, what you can and can't buy or
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Speaker 8: what you can and can't invest in. I mean, surely
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Speaker 8: that should be up to what you want to do
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Speaker 8: with your own superannuation. They just can't help themselves. Governments
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Speaker 8: are both sides wanting to get their hands on your
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Speaker 8: superannuation and to now say that if you have a
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Speaker 8: little bit in super and you do not want to
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Speaker 8: invest in a risky share market with the global problems
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Speaker 8: that we have currently, but you can't now buy a
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Speaker 8: two bedroom apartment down the road and put that into
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Speaker 8: your super fund and rent it to some young couple
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Speaker 8: who want to live in the inner Melbourne or in
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Speaker 8: a Sydney or Brisbane. Why is that the government's role?
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Speaker 2: Well, so Warren aspiration Steve. They want to bring everyone
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Speaker 2: back to the pack that don't want anyone to get
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Speaker 2: you too aspirational, too rich, too comfortable. They want you
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Speaker 2: to depend it on the state. That's the whole fight. Hey,
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Speaker 2: I've got to ask you about these comments from Andrew Hasty.
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Speaker 2: They came out of the party room. I think that
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Speaker 2: in itself is a worry that you've got legs now
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Speaker 2: out of the party room. But he said I would
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Speaker 2: rather get taken out in a box than bend the
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Speaker 2: knee to one nation the Prime Minister. Of course, you
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Speaker 2: know all about the politics. He seized on that during
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Speaker 2: question time. Have a listen.
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Speaker 4: Remember, for Canning has said in his party room that
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Speaker 4: he wouldn't bend the knee to one nation. A real
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Speaker 4: contrast with the bloke, the current leader of the opposition.
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Speaker 4: So when asked a question about monoculturalism four times, couldn't
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Speaker 4: give an answer, All.
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Speaker 2: Right, Steve, a bit of mischief making or is this
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Speaker 2: more serious?
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Speaker 8: I think it's more serious in regard to what Andrew
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Speaker 8: Hasty is up to. I mean, this is not the
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Speaker 8: first time that Andrew Hasty has spoken at odds with
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Speaker 8: his current leader, and so is he trying to establish
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Speaker 8: for himself some alternative power group within the Liberal coalition himself.
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Speaker 8: I mean, no one is suggesting to Andrew Hasty that
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Speaker 8: he should bend need to one nation. What people are
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Speaker 8: saying is one nation soaring in the polls. You're collapsing
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Speaker 8: in the polls if you and the National Party and
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Speaker 8: One Nation don't do some sort of deal to get
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Speaker 8: rid of a horrible government in Victoria which is the
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Speaker 8: worst in the country's history, and then get rid of
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Speaker 8: a government in Canberra that is doing such a poor job.
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Speaker 8: Why wouldn't you get together to that end, Andrew. They're
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Speaker 8: not asking you to beg they're just asking you to
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Speaker 8: be sensible.
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Speaker 2: And the more they fight amongst themselves are the right stead.
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Speaker 2: You've absolutely correct to say that just gives labor coverage.
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Speaker 2: It gives labor coverage from the scrutiny they should be
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Speaker 2: having through the media. Of course that's true, but it
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Speaker 2: also gives them a cover that they can survive on
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Speaker 2: an incredibly low primary vote. I mean, the minister's primary
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Speaker 2: vote he thinks is ahead because he's got a lot
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Speaker 2: of seats in the parliament, but his primary vote is
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Speaker 2: one of the labor lowest in labor history, and he
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Speaker 2: can skate through just into Alan can skate through every
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Speaker 2: single time that the ride is fighting amongst itself.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely, and you know they've got to put a stop
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Speaker 8: to this. Angus Taylor has got to stand up to that.
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Speaker 8: I mean, he didn't want to talk about it. That
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Speaker 8: was a rather confusing media conference he gave today. One
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Speaker 8: of my observations out of that, Peter, I'm not sure
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Speaker 8: if you saw it because you're probably asleep at the time.
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Speaker 8: But the Canberra Gallery and you know how they well,
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Speaker 8: you know how they operate better than anyone. They are
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Speaker 8: particularly aggressive toward Angus Taylor and they keep trying to
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Speaker 8: ask these gotcha questions to try and get put him
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Speaker 8: off off center, and they tend they tend to, you know,
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Speaker 8: achieve that he doesn't look good in front of the
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Speaker 8: Canbra Press Gallery. I think he's got to sort that out.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I think he's going to mix up where he does
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Speaker 2: those press conferences too, because the Prime Minister has them
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Speaker 2: contained in that courtyard that has a level of gravitas,
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Speaker 2: and he's doing door stops in courtyards. I think he
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Speaker 2: needs to get back into the Coalition party room. He
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Speaker 2: needs to present as the alternative Prime Minister. Hanson doesn't
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Speaker 2: have that party room look and feel that he does.
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Speaker 2: I think he needs to use it more often and
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Speaker 2: restat his place as the opposition leader. And I think
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Speaker 2: they've got to get policies out too, Steve. I mean,
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Speaker 2: what are the problems they've got is that having a
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Speaker 2: war of retoric with the left and the right when
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Speaker 2: they should be having a debate about substance. And there's
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Speaker 2: not enough substance out there in terms of policy detail.
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Speaker 2: And they've been there now for eighteen months as an opposition.
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Speaker 2: Lack of policy is what to put Peter Dutton out
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Speaker 2: of business and it took down Susan Lee. Angus Taylor's
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Speaker 2: going to make sure it's not his mistake as well.
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Speaker 8: Yes, sort of interested to see what Tony Abbott has
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Speaker 8: to say about it. Peter will see you straight up
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Speaker 8: after the break with that extraordinary interview that I'm really
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Speaker 8: looking forward to with the mono culture debate. Now Parliaments
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Speaker 8: Speaking of Parliament adjourned early in Cambridge. Opeter will be
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Speaker 8: back in a sec so that MPs could attend the
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Speaker 8: opening of this new half billion dollar Anzac Hall at
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Speaker 8: the Australian War Memorial. It's happening this evening. It's construction
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Speaker 8: not being without its critics, but I am certain it
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Speaker 8: will be magnificent and I can't wait personally to visit.
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Speaker 8: Victoria Cross recipient Ben Robert Smith was due to a
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Speaker 8: tend but as Peter told you, it's reported that he
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Speaker 8: is now ill and could not make it. Our political reporter,
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Speaker 8: though Reuben Spargo is at this new ANZAC memorial Ruben,
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Speaker 8: what is the significance of this extension? Tell us about it, Steve.
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Speaker 10: Behind me stands the Nation's Place of Remembrance, which recognizes
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Speaker 10: the sacrifice, courage and stories of Australians who have served
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Speaker 10: in wars, conflict and peacekeeping missions.
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Speaker 7: Inside is this this new Anzac Hall?
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Speaker 10: Of this new Anzak Hall rather, which features exhibitions of Afghanistan,
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Speaker 10: the Middle East and peacekeeping operations. Some two thousand workers
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Speaker 10: or nearly two thousand workers were involved in this project.
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Speaker 7: It barely shut.
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Speaker 10: The machines inside are magnificent, the jets, the helicopters.
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Speaker 7: But also reading the stories.
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Speaker 10: Of the men and women who have served really puts
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Speaker 10: everything in perspective and makes you emotional.
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Speaker 7: The Prime Minister will be speaking soon.
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Speaker 10: All living recipients of the Victoria Cross were invited to
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Speaker 10: see the opening ceremony, including Ben Roberts Smith.
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Speaker 8: Steve he was unable to attend. I'm told that he
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Speaker 8: is ill. Look Ruben, I'm a massive fan of the
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Speaker 8: Australian Woman Worial. Obviously I've not seen this news structure,
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Speaker 8: but I mean, you know when you say the displays
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Speaker 8: the biggest surprises, what would you say it is when
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Speaker 8: someone goes inside the revamped War Memorial tonight or in
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Speaker 8: the coming weeks.
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Speaker 10: The machinery that I mentioned Steve walking under the helicopters
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Speaker 10: is really something seeing those bits of equipment up close.
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Speaker 10: I've been here a couple of times since the work
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Speaker 10: has been completed. I was speaking to a minor over
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Speaker 10: from Western Australia and he was standing there in awe.
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Speaker 7: I've also spoken to a veteran who.
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Speaker 10: Features in a model display of the Team or Less
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Speaker 10: Day Peacekeeping operation and Australia's involvement. He was shown his
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Speaker 10: little figurine within that model display.
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Speaker 7: And you could see the emotion in his eyes.
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Speaker 10: So, whether you served in the Australian Defense Force or
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Speaker 10: whether you call Australia home, this Australian War Memorial and
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Speaker 10: the new ANZAC Hall means something to everyone different. We
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Speaker 10: have had politicians coming through the doors too for the
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Speaker 10: official ceremony.
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Speaker 7: I spoke to a couple as they entered.
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Speaker 11: The modernization of this incredible facility. You know, it just
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Speaker 11: it exemplifies I think how Australians believe how our war
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Speaker 11: dead should be remembered, and not just our war dead,
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Speaker 11: but our men and women who have served and continue
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Speaker 11: to serve in uniform.
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Speaker 12: Anything we can do to honor our veterans is a
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Speaker 12: good thing.
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Speaker 13: That made the.
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Speaker 12: Ultimate sacrifice over one hundred thousand of them. So I'm
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Speaker 12: looking forward to seeing the final result. And it's great
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Speaker 12: that Parliament was adjourned so that every parliamentarian who's able
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Speaker 12: to make it can show their respects.
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Speaker 14: This is the most beautiful place in the whole of camera.
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Speaker 14: I love Parliament House and this depicts to me what
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Speaker 14: Australia is all about. You know, our depends personnel, men
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Speaker 14: and women that fought for our country.
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Speaker 8: Sa Christ the eyes, Ronnie Ruben, thank you very much
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Speaker 8: for that. I can't wait to go and see it now.
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Speaker 8: After the break back to Peter in London, she's got
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Speaker 8: a wonderful interview with an outspoken a story and about
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Speaker 8: the cultural decline in Britain and his warning for us
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Speaker 8: here in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I'm hosting from the Alliance for a Responsible
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Speaker 2: Citizenship conference in London ARC. Of course you can line
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Speaker 2: scream that from our website or app on skyews dot
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Speaker 2: com dot AU. Well, last week at the National Press
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Speaker 2: Club and Hanson reopened the debate on multiculturalism. This morning
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Speaker 2: on Breakfast TV. She went further, arguing that instead of
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Speaker 2: many cultures, we need one distinct Australian culture.
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Speaker 14: It's about being united to strong under the one culture
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Speaker 14: and everyone be treated the same under one law. I'm
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Speaker 14: not saying forget where you came from or you cultural background,
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Speaker 14: by no means. When we actually go to the Olympics,
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Speaker 14: we represent our nation like the Soccaroos. It's all under
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Speaker 14: one flag and that's the Australian flag. That's what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: Think now the flag shouldn't be controversial, but it is.
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Speaker 2: And predictably, of course, after those comments, the left reacted
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Speaker 2: with outrage, including this from the Prime Minister and others.
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Speaker 7: Not a complex question.
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Speaker 4: First, we've never been to monoculture, not for.
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Speaker 7: This side of the house.
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Speaker 3: This rubbish playing foot sea with the monocultural language being
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Speaker 3: pushed around by the One Nation Party.
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Speaker 2: But what Hanson said about the need for a country
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Speaker 2: to have and protect its own culture is not as
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Speaker 2: controversial as some want to make out. Indeed, it's very
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Speaker 2: much a topical debate in places like Japan and Hereto.
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Speaker 2: In Britain, critics say that multiculturalism has failed countries in
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Speaker 2: the West who are losing their cultural foundation as large
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Speaker 2: waves of newcomers arrive and no longer assimilate. Now that
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Speaker 2: doesn't rule out immigration, they argue. As a country, you
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Speaker 2: can be racial, but you can't be multi cultural. Its
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Speaker 2: culture must be embraced by all in order to build
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Speaker 2: a cohesive society. Now in London, this debate is raging,
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Speaker 2: and so when I got out and about yesterday, after
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Speaker 2: I left the studio, I spoke to everyday Brits about
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Speaker 2: the shock resignation of yes yet another prime minister. But
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Speaker 2: I also asked for their reflections on where they think
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Speaker 2: their country is at present, how it's traveling now. Clearly
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Speaker 2: there's a deep cultural malaise here. Britain is a nation divided,
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Speaker 2: and a big part of what is dividing them is
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Speaker 2: uncontrolled migration and weak or non existent leadership. I'd already
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Speaker 2: planned to do a sit down interview with prominent historian
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Speaker 2: and broadcaster rape Hadelbangkoup, but this issue and my conversations
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Speaker 2: earlier in the day ended up being a big focus
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Speaker 2: of our discussion.
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Speaker 13: Britain's gone downhill. I lived it till I was. I'm
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Speaker 13: an island man in his twenty six plus. Yes, I'd
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Speaker 13: never come back to England.
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Speaker 15: There doesn't seem to be any control in regards to
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Speaker 15: the immigration.
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Speaker 7: Obviously a big thing is illegal immigration.
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Speaker 16: Some of these people we don't know where they're coming
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Speaker 16: from tomorrow.
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Speaker 17: Your bagel frage really yes, Well, what do you like
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Speaker 17: about fraud? I think he means business and I think
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Speaker 17: he will sort this country out. I are in every
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Speaker 17: respect to do with immigration, with everything like it ain't
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Speaker 17: right out of Bridge.
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Speaker 7: People get treated and then you get all these.
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Speaker 17: Illegal warmors coming over here Stone in the full Star
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Speaker 17: hotel giving money and all the rest of it. It
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Speaker 17: ain't right.
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Speaker 2: Ray, thank you for joining me. I was down at
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Speaker 2: lambeth Bridge this morning and speaking to people clearly a
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Speaker 2: huge consideration not just with how they are feeling, but
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Speaker 2: also I guess where they think their country is headed
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Speaker 2: was immigration and not just the volume of people coming through,
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Speaker 2: but what it is doing to the culture of their country.
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Speaker 2: And to say that it's to say that it's a
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Speaker 2: big concern probably be understanding. The problem is that your
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Speaker 2: sense of things.
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Speaker 15: It is an understatement. For many people. This is an
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Speaker 15: existential crisis. It's a struggle for the very soul of Britain.
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Speaker 15: And you know, you just have to go up and
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Speaker 15: down the spine of this country from the old sort
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Speaker 15: of milltone towns in the north of England down to London.
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Speaker 15: People's communities have been completely changed beyond all recognition within
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Speaker 15: the space of one generation. You know, we've had more
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Speaker 15: immigration to Britain in the last twenty years than in
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Speaker 15: the last two thousand years combined. And no society can
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Speaker 15: sustain such rapid change.
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Speaker 2: So if you think it's crook here, you're basically telling
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Speaker 2: Australians we should be on guard.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, honestly, look to what's happening in Britain and understand
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Speaker 15: the lessons that can be learned.
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Speaker 2: But the Left say that multiculturalism is a good thing.
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Speaker 15: Well, barely a week goes past when you don't have
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Speaker 15: a politician or a police Commissioner saying diversity is our.
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Speaker 2: Greatest correct strang, I'm afraid we've.
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Speaker 15: Had the experiment. There's no evidence for it whatsoever. And
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Speaker 15: this is not an attack against immigration per se. This
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Speaker 15: is about mass immigration. This is not an attack on
20:18
Speaker 15: having some diversity. Of course, some diversity is good. But
20:21
Speaker 15: it is the level of super diversity we have today
20:24
Speaker 15: that is fraying the social fabric of this country. We
20:27
Speaker 15: have stopped celebrating Western culture and Western civilization. We've engaged
20:30
Speaker 15: in cultural relativism. And because we are prioritizing and promoting
20:33
Speaker 15: minority cultures at the expense of the what should be
20:36
Speaker 15: the one prevailing culture, Australian identity, which should you know,
20:39
Speaker 15: all people together. We now have a situation in this
20:42
Speaker 15: country where, you know, twenty years ago two thousand and four,
20:45
Speaker 15: eighty one percent of British youth were proud to be British. Today,
20:49
Speaker 15: after twenty years of the long march through the institutions
20:51
Speaker 15: by the left, forty percent of the youth in this
20:54
Speaker 15: country are proud to be British. Just imagine that. It's
20:57
Speaker 15: a decline of fifty percent in twenty years of levels
21:01
Speaker 15: of pride in this country.
21:05
Speaker 13: They're insulting other people by putting the British lag up. Now,
21:08
Speaker 13: I am Irish, my family all live here. But if
21:11
Speaker 13: in Ireland we were allowed to fly the Irish like,
21:13
Speaker 13: why can't they the Brits fly the British leag. Do
21:16
Speaker 13: you think Britain can get it to know, joeb No,
21:19
Speaker 13: not the way they're going anywhere.
21:20
Speaker 2: Well, as I said at lamath Bridge today, time and
21:24
Speaker 2: time again came up the reality that they don't feel
21:26
Speaker 2: they could even fly the flag anymore, that flying either
21:29
Speaker 2: the Union jack or the English flag considered racist in
21:34
Speaker 2: some way.
21:34
Speaker 15: Yeah, and none of this is about not having a
21:36
Speaker 15: multi racial society. This is about multiculturalism.
21:39
Speaker 2: And this is such an important distinction.
21:40
Speaker 15: It's a very important distinction because people often say, well,
21:43
Speaker 15: how can you have all people be talking about this
21:44
Speaker 15: sort of a thing. Well, the fact is, as long
21:47
Speaker 15: as you subscribe to the values of the culture you're
21:49
Speaker 15: living in, as long as you subscribe to Western values
21:51
Speaker 15: and beliefs, then you can make a valuable contribution. But
21:54
Speaker 15: if you refuse to integrate, and if you cleave to
21:57
Speaker 15: a system of values, that is so that is so
21:59
Speaker 15: odd in terms of the wider British or American or
22:03
Speaker 15: Australian culture. Then clearly we're going to have a problem
22:06
Speaker 15: going down the line.
22:07
Speaker 2: I also watched the heavy election of MPAs that are
22:13
Speaker 2: basically in pace for Gahaza. They're not just people who
22:16
Speaker 2: are standing for office in Britain who happened to be Muslim,
22:18
Speaker 2: but there are people with a very activist, hardline agenda
22:22
Speaker 2: to implement in this country.
22:24
Speaker 15: Yes, it's quite clear to see that what we've got
22:28
Speaker 15: now is a group of people in this country who
22:30
Speaker 15: are determined to try to create an essence their homelands
22:34
Speaker 15: within Great Britain. And one of the things is the
22:38
Speaker 15: attack on free speech in this country is famous President
22:40
Speaker 15: Trump and America. It's constantly referring to the fact that
22:43
Speaker 15: there's a stamping down on free speech. That's quite clearly
22:46
Speaker 15: because of mass immigration. We wouldn't have a free speech
22:49
Speaker 15: crisis in Britain were it not for mass immigration.
22:52
Speaker 2: My audience, I can feel them. They're nodding away at
22:54
Speaker 2: everything you're saying here. If you wanted to give Australians
22:58
Speaker 2: a message, what would your message be?
23:02
Speaker 15: Believe in yourselves, be strong, be confident as search your
23:06
Speaker 15: own national culture and your national identity. Britain, Australia, the West.
23:12
Speaker 15: We were at our strongest when we knew who we
23:15
Speaker 15: were and we weren't naval gazing, nihilistic and wearing horsehair shirts.
23:20
Speaker 15: We must once again turn national self loathing into love
23:25
Speaker 15: of nation. Once you believe in yourselves and assert yourself,
23:28
Speaker 15: the pre eminence of our culture will surely dominate because
23:32
Speaker 15: it is the greatest culture western civilization that the world
23:35
Speaker 15: has ever produced. And we need to be proud of
23:38
Speaker 15: it and defend it because if we don't defend it,
23:41
Speaker 15: will do it forever.
23:44
Speaker 2: Right, haydl Mankou, you're amazing.
23:46
Speaker 5: Thank you for that.
23:47
Speaker 2: But to shut the arm, I think we all need
23:49
Speaker 2: my pleasure.
23:50
Speaker 15: Thanks so much.
23:53
Speaker 2: While it was a long interview, here is an incredible thinker.
23:56
Speaker 2: We covered a lot of ground. I'll have some more
23:58
Speaker 2: on that to show you a bit like all right,
24:00
Speaker 2: let's bring in my next guess, because we've also got
24:03
Speaker 2: a lot to cover here. Domestic and foreign politics with
24:05
Speaker 2: former Prime Minister Toney Abbott. Welcome Tony. We'll talk about
24:09
Speaker 2: the UK leadership crisis in a moment, but you look
24:14
Speaker 2: at the turnover a prime minister. So this will be
24:16
Speaker 2: the seventh in I think six years, sorry for six
24:19
Speaker 2: in five years, seven in ten years. It's well beyond
24:24
Speaker 2: what was happening in Australia. But we have that disease
24:26
Speaker 2: as you know, have we got to a point where
24:30
Speaker 2: voters and who they vote for in elections doesn't matter anymore.
24:34
Speaker 2: The parties will just do whatever they like whenever they like.
24:38
Speaker 13: I think that's right.
24:39
Speaker 16: A public vote for someone to be their leader. And
24:44
Speaker 16: when they find that backroom deals, the Sussex Street death Squad,
24:49
Speaker 16: whatever it might be, change the result of the election midterm.
24:54
Speaker 16: It just adds to that general frustration with politics. And
24:59
Speaker 16: the other problem is that every time you change the leader,
25:02
Speaker 16: you change half the ministry as well. It takes ministers
25:05
Speaker 16: time to assimilate their portfolios. And one of the reasons
25:10
Speaker 16: why people think that it's actually not the elected and
25:13
Speaker 16: accountable government that's in charge, it's the unelected and unaccountable
25:16
Speaker 16: bureaucrats are in charge, is because new ministers tend to
25:20
Speaker 16: be run by their public servants.
25:22
Speaker 2: And this is why when you get around Britain you
25:24
Speaker 2: get around Australia, you've got infrastructure that hasn't been updated
25:28
Speaker 2: in thirty years. You've got, as we saw on the weekend.
25:30
Speaker 2: You know, potholes out in the country, you've got hospitals
25:33
Speaker 2: in disrepair, because if that's not on the to do
25:36
Speaker 2: list of the bureaucracy that live on well beyond prime
25:39
Speaker 2: ministers and ministers, that it doesn't get done as a
25:43
Speaker 2: matter what the politicians promise you at the ballot box.
25:46
Speaker 16: The reason why it's got to be the elected and
25:49
Speaker 16: accountable politicians who really call the shots and drive the
25:52
Speaker 16: agenda is because they come from the whole country. They
25:56
Speaker 16: don't just live in a London or a Canberra, which
26:00
Speaker 16: is where the bureaucrats are.
26:02
Speaker 2: It's interesting, you know, I was really heartened with those
26:05
Speaker 2: comments from Tony Blair that net zero's did that we
26:08
Speaker 2: have to come to grips with energy security being national security.
26:13
Speaker 2: But I interviewed John McTurnan. You will remember him from
26:16
Speaker 2: his shorter and not so glorious time in Australia working
26:20
Speaker 2: for Julia Gillard, but it was a Blair star for
26:23
Speaker 2: at one time, and he had this to stay about
26:26
Speaker 2: why Starmer was out and why Andy Burnham looks like
26:30
Speaker 2: he's in Have a listen.
26:32
Speaker 18: We just had the worst heat where it's for me. Ever,
26:35
Speaker 18: climate crisis is real the need for net zero Nazia's
26:39
Speaker 18: only over if you actually think that NAT zero is
26:42
Speaker 18: not enough. You need to actually reduce carbon. So the issue,
26:46
Speaker 18: the urgency is to get off the addiction to fossil fuels.
26:52
Speaker 16: What do you think about that, Well, the first point
26:55
Speaker 16: I'd make is that anything that countries like Britain on
26:59
Speaker 16: Australia in terms of reducing emissions is hardly going to
27:02
Speaker 16: change the world's weather. The second point I'd make is
27:06
Speaker 16: that these days green left labor, whether it's in Britain
27:09
Speaker 16: or in Australia, is in corrigible. Labor is never going
27:14
Speaker 16: to fix the energy problem because of its climate obsessions.
27:17
Speaker 16: It's never going to fix the productivity problem because of
27:21
Speaker 16: its union obsessions, it's never going to fix the societal
27:24
Speaker 16: fragmentation because of its identity politics obsession. Everything is going
27:29
Speaker 16: to get worse under green left labor governments, regardless of who.
27:33
Speaker 7: Their leader is.
27:35
Speaker 2: You will have heard that interview. I just did it
27:36
Speaker 2: with Ravee Man hate Man Coup and he's clearly an
27:41
Speaker 2: immigrant to himself from an immigrant background, but he says
27:44
Speaker 2: he is absolutely British to his bootstraps. He argues that
27:47
Speaker 2: there has to be one culture and one culture only.
27:51
Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson said that today and the Prime Minister went
27:55
Speaker 2: her in question time. You ten years ago plus, we're
27:58
Speaker 2: arguing for Team Australia. That's still got to be something
28:04
Speaker 2: that's fought for by North side of politics.
28:07
Speaker 16: Absolutely right, Peter, Australia has a core Anglo Celtic culture.
28:12
Speaker 16: We have a foundational Judeo Christian ethos that.
28:16
Speaker 13: Should never change.
28:18
Speaker 16: Migrants choose Australia precisely because they like what they see.
28:22
Speaker 16: And if we change ourselves to suit the migrants, we're
28:26
Speaker 16: actually letting them down as well as ourselves.
28:30
Speaker 2: Why is it that we let Japan be Japan, We
28:33
Speaker 2: let China have China's culture, India has India's culture. We
28:38
Speaker 2: are almost embarrassed, not you and I, but the elites
28:41
Speaker 2: are embarrassed about keeping Australia with an Australian culture.
28:46
Speaker 9: You're right.
28:48
Speaker 7: Look at the ABC for instance.
28:50
Speaker 16: The ABC is in favor of every culture except ours.
28:55
Speaker 16: And I don't know whether it's a kind of a
28:57
Speaker 16: guilt complex. I don't know whether it's kind of politeness
29:02
Speaker 16: on steroids. I don't know whether it's cultural Marxism or
29:06
Speaker 16: the influence of I suppose ethnic activism, but one way
29:10
Speaker 16: or another it's got to change.
29:12
Speaker 2: And of course they've got the flag disease here that
29:15
Speaker 2: we have at home. I mean there are parts of
29:17
Speaker 2: Britain where if you fly a British flag or a
29:20
Speaker 2: Saint George's flag, an English flag, that's supposed to be triggering.
29:24
Speaker 9: Yeah.
29:25
Speaker 2: Look again, it's madness.
29:27
Speaker 16: I happen to think Australia has a beautiful flag, a
29:31
Speaker 16: flag which represents our past and our future. I mean,
29:34
Speaker 16: we've got all the Christian crosses there in the Union Jack,
29:38
Speaker 16: we've got the Southern Cross, which is the stars we're
29:40
Speaker 16: aiming for. It's a beautiful flag. I want it to
29:43
Speaker 16: be our flag forever. And that's one of the many
29:45
Speaker 16: reasons why as Prime Minister I would stand in front
29:49
Speaker 16: of as many Australian flags as you could.
29:52
Speaker 7: Find to put behind me.
29:55
Speaker 2: And I've got to ask you about some domestic politics
29:57
Speaker 2: comments today leaked from the Party, which I think is
30:00
Speaker 2: a problem in itself to Andrew from Andrew Hasty basically
30:05
Speaker 2: saying I'd rather go out in a box than bend
30:08
Speaker 2: the need to one nation, which has been taken as
30:11
Speaker 2: an attack on Angus Taylor.
30:14
Speaker 16: Well, it shouldn't be because, let's face, a decent political
30:19
Speaker 16: party doesn't bend the need to anyone. It stands up
30:23
Speaker 16: for itself. It's strongly liberal national and as liberal nationals,
30:28
Speaker 16: we cherish freedom, we respect tradition above all else.
30:32
Speaker 2: We love our country. So what's his game?
30:34
Speaker 9: Though?
30:34
Speaker 2: Why not have those sorts of conversations in private? I mean,
30:38
Speaker 2: is he pitching for some sort of point of difference?
30:41
Speaker 2: What's going on? Look?
30:43
Speaker 16: I know what it's like in the party room. Sometimes
30:46
Speaker 16: you stand up, you get a bit carried away. But again,
30:51
Speaker 16: there is no liberal worth his or her assault who
30:55
Speaker 16: wants to bend the knee to any particular political party.
30:58
Speaker 16: And the trouble is that for too long we looked
31:01
Speaker 16: a bit labor light. And thank god under Angus Taylor,
31:05
Speaker 16: that's ended.
31:06
Speaker 2: I'll love you there, enjoy the conference, Tony, have it,
31:08
Speaker 2: Thank you?
31:08
Speaker 15: Thanks better.
31:10
Speaker 2: Right after the break lessons for Australia in the transgender debate,
31:14
Speaker 2: it feels like Britain's turned a real corner here we've
31:17
Speaker 2: gone backwards. But I'll give you some hope about young
31:20
Speaker 2: people in particular. A terrific young woman is going to
31:23
Speaker 2: join me. Key is taking up the fight at Universities.
31:32
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship conference in London.
31:36
Speaker 2: I'm here in the borough of Kensington, four thousand guests
31:40
Speaker 2: milling around behind me on their way into the auditorium
31:43
Speaker 2: for the official opening of the three day event. But
31:45
Speaker 2: you could join us here too. You can live stream
31:48
Speaker 2: all the sessions via our Sky News website sky News
31:51
Speaker 2: dot com dot Au. We'll be back to Australia shortly
31:54
Speaker 2: and all the headlines with Steve. But right now I
31:57
Speaker 2: want to give you some hope, and don't we need that?
32:00
Speaker 2: So often we hear that common sense is dying out,
32:03
Speaker 2: that younger people are almost programmed to vote left, particularly
32:07
Speaker 2: those coming out of universities. But that's not as accurate
32:11
Speaker 2: as we're led to believe. Look at young will Shackle
32:14
Speaker 2: on nuclear policy as just one example. So to my
32:18
Speaker 2: next guest, who's taken up the fight to defend women's rights,
32:22
Speaker 2: biological women's rights in the face of strident trans ideology,
32:27
Speaker 2: and she's doing it on a university campus where her
32:31
Speaker 2: battle to create a club for biological women has been
32:34
Speaker 2: such an ordeal that it's gone globally viral. Here's a
32:39
Speaker 2: clip of her. Her n aim is Maeve Halligan, President
32:42
Speaker 2: at the Cambridge University Society of Women.
32:45
Speaker 19: The word transfer back is obviously one that is attributed
32:48
Speaker 19: to me and others very very frequently. Aphobia is an irrational,
32:51
Speaker 19: a fair or something that he's disproportionate to the rest
32:53
Speaker 19: how she poses to you. Vicey transfers I'm not scared
32:56
Speaker 19: at all. Is not that I'm afraid of somebody who
32:58
Speaker 19: describes themselves as charm. It's not that I wish any
33:01
Speaker 19: harm on anybody. If I'm afraid of anything, it's the
33:03
Speaker 19: ideology itself and how pernicious it is, and the fact
33:05
Speaker 19: that it quite clearly targets in many cases the vulnerable
33:08
Speaker 19: and often the young, especially young girls, because it is
33:11
Speaker 19: all about leaning in to the fact that your mental
33:14
Speaker 19: state and your perception of your body is misaligned with
33:17
Speaker 19: your actual corporeal or physical form, and that that needs
33:20
Speaker 19: to be rectified, not from the mental side of things,
33:22
Speaker 19: but from the physical side. It's saying, yeah, your body's wrong,
33:25
Speaker 19: so fix it drastically, aggressively, irreversibly.
33:30
Speaker 2: I'm delighted to say that. Wonderful May if Halligan joins
33:32
Speaker 2: me live here in London, welcome May. I'm so pleased
33:36
Speaker 2: to make you in person, because I've been following what
33:38
Speaker 2: you've been doing online for some time. It shouldn't have
33:41
Speaker 2: been so hard a Cambridge, of all places, to have
33:44
Speaker 2: a society for women.
33:46
Speaker 19: Sure, so myself and two of my close friends founded
33:49
Speaker 19: the Cambridge University Society of Women in October of twenty
33:52
Speaker 19: twenty five, so we've only been operational for one academic
33:54
Speaker 19: year here in the UK. When we launched, there was
33:57
Speaker 19: immediately backlash, especially from the body and including you know,
34:01
Speaker 19: academics at the university and some from the wider public.
34:05
Speaker 19: But we also enjoyed very, very widespread support, which we're
34:08
Speaker 19: really grateful for, some from organizations here in the UK
34:11
Speaker 19: like Sex Matters, the Women's Rights Network and also the
34:13
Speaker 19: Free Speech Union, and then also yeah, just from members
34:16
Speaker 19: of the public. And we raised funds in order to
34:20
Speaker 19: further our desire to promote women's rights and our events
34:23
Speaker 19: and similar So all in all, it's been really really successful.
34:26
Speaker 19: But that doesn't negate the fact that the backlash has
34:28
Speaker 19: been so vicious and often personal. I mean we've suffered
34:32
Speaker 19: with threats of violence, death threats. You know, students come
34:35
Speaker 19: up to me in the street and shout at me,
34:36
Speaker 19: call me a fascist, and this is outrageous. It's something
34:39
Speaker 19: that we've sort of weathered and it's bound us us
34:42
Speaker 19: three founders as friends. But at the same time, that
34:45
Speaker 19: doesn't mean that any young woman seeking to form an
34:48
Speaker 19: organization for other young women should ever have to deal
34:50
Speaker 19: with this, and the fact that we have to on
34:52
Speaker 19: a university campus, in my views outrageous and.
34:55
Speaker 2: A cloud for women is not controversial maybe before women's rights,
34:59
Speaker 2: when women are struggling to get into university, but I
35:02
Speaker 2: would have thought, now, you know, it's incredible that you've
35:06
Speaker 2: had to fight as hard as your hair.
35:07
Speaker 19: Well, absolutely, I mean interestingly, the University of Cambridge was
35:09
Speaker 19: actually the last British university to let women have degrees
35:12
Speaker 19: in the first place. So the way I see it,
35:14
Speaker 19: it has a history of misogyny and that's interesting. You know,
35:17
Speaker 19: luckily a corner was turned, but I believe that there's
35:19
Speaker 19: been a huge step backwards in the wrong direction because
35:22
Speaker 19: now what we're seeing when we've got men who identify
35:25
Speaker 19: into womanhood or attempt to seeking to destroy biological women's
35:29
Speaker 19: association with one another, I believe that's misogyny just dressed
35:32
Speaker 19: up in a different way. So it's yeah, as I say,
35:35
Speaker 19: it's really disappointing, but at the same time it makes
35:37
Speaker 19: me really angry. And I do think that the fact
35:40
Speaker 19: that we were the first society of its kind in
35:42
Speaker 19: a university in the UK, the first single sex group
35:45
Speaker 19: that was openly and proudly just for women and wanted
35:48
Speaker 19: to promote women's rights, I do hope that that will
35:51
Speaker 19: inspire other young women to do the same. And I've
35:53
Speaker 19: already had so much contact from other young female students
35:56
Speaker 19: who are saying that, you know, they feel less alone,
35:58
Speaker 19: maybe they feel galvanized now to do similar things. So
36:01
Speaker 19: you know, one person makes that leap, one group makes
36:04
Speaker 19: that leap in our case, and it can really encourage
36:07
Speaker 19: and inspire other people to join our cause, especially because
36:10
Speaker 19: they agree with us. But it's just so hard to
36:13
Speaker 19: feel so alone in this opinion because the backlash you
36:15
Speaker 19: receive for voicing it is so aggressive.
36:18
Speaker 2: You know, I say this sincerely. You have inspired me
36:21
Speaker 2: because I have been fighting this fight for ten years
36:24
Speaker 2: that I've been on television, and I feel sometimes that
36:27
Speaker 2: I'm only talking to women of my generation or older,
36:31
Speaker 2: and that younger women are either scared to have that
36:36
Speaker 2: conversation and defend their rights or they don't think it's
36:39
Speaker 2: important that they think things are easy, that the gains
36:42
Speaker 2: have all been one, but I feel that the gains
36:44
Speaker 2: are being reversed if it wasn't.
36:46
Speaker 19: For women like you, well, I would agree that some
36:48
Speaker 19: young women are kind of fairly apathetic, which is ironic
36:50
Speaker 19: considering this directly affects their sex based rights, which are
36:53
Speaker 19: very important and should be upheld in law and more generally.
36:57
Speaker 19: And I also, you know, I do know that there
36:59
Speaker 19: is a you know, large groups, and it's growing a
37:01
Speaker 19: number of young women who absolutely agree with our point
37:04
Speaker 19: of view and support that and are willing to be
37:06
Speaker 19: more active, you know, as the.
37:07
Speaker 9: Months wear on.
37:09
Speaker 19: But I should add sadly that the younger generation of
37:12
Speaker 19: women sort of GenZ if you like, and some younger millennials,
37:15
Speaker 19: some of them are the biggest advocates for this movement
37:18
Speaker 19: that functionally erases sex based or seeks to erase sex
37:21
Speaker 19: based reality and therefore sex based rights for women. So
37:25
Speaker 19: it's sad when women are you know, the biggest cheerleaders
37:28
Speaker 19: of a movement that will harm them directly and it's
37:31
Speaker 19: already doing so, and when they don't seek allyship in
37:36
Speaker 19: in other young women people like me and instead they
37:38
Speaker 19: seek to you know, shout us down. Some of the
37:40
Speaker 19: most vital and backlash that we have received has been
37:43
Speaker 19: from young women themselves. So there's clearly work for me
37:45
Speaker 19: for us to do in our own demographic as young women,
37:48
Speaker 19: to try and you know, engage in civil conversation and
37:52
Speaker 19: help these women to see that it's actually really important
37:55
Speaker 19: to promote the rights that protect them.
37:59
Speaker 2: You will be aware of se Grover's case in Australia
38:01
Speaker 2: and if she did it in a virtual sense, pretty
38:04
Speaker 2: much what you have done at Cambridge. The only difference
38:08
Speaker 2: is she has spent many years and millions of dollars
38:11
Speaker 2: now defending her right to have a women's only group
38:14
Speaker 2: in the online environment. Fortunately, that case here in the
38:18
Speaker 2: Supreme Court has meant the government has now had to
38:21
Speaker 2: lock in the defense of biological rights. Do you feel
38:25
Speaker 2: that legally you are protected as you should be?
38:28
Speaker 19: Well, I would say that after the UK Supreme Court
38:31
Speaker 19: ruled in April twenty twenty five that sex in our
38:34
Speaker 19: Equality Act, excuse me, means biological sex, so you know,
38:37
Speaker 19: man women and sex is binary and all the rest
38:39
Speaker 19: of it. After that ruling, I personally, and I know
38:42
Speaker 19: many other women who've been in this fight for longer
38:44
Speaker 19: than me. I only joined it in about sort of
38:46
Speaker 19: twenty twenty as a teenager. I know that we felt
38:49
Speaker 19: a sense of vindication and there was a sense of
38:52
Speaker 19: maybe we've turned a corner. Maybe all of this damage
38:54
Speaker 19: and harm but hard work, maybe it's finally paying off. However,
39:00
Speaker 19: the reality on the ground here in the UK is
39:02
Speaker 19: that so many institutions and organizations are simply refusing to comply.
39:06
Speaker 19: In fact, you've got organizations saying that the Supreme Court,
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Speaker 19: the Supreme Court, the highest court in our in our land,
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Speaker 19: has somehow done something unlawful, and universities are included in that,
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Speaker 19: as our schools. You know, they're still messing around removing
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Speaker 19: single sex spaces or saying that single sex spaces are
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Speaker 19: not something that you know, young girls and boys children
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Speaker 19: should have a right to, and parents are pushing back,
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Speaker 19: but they're so often crushed. You know, the NHS is
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Speaker 19: still ideologically captured, as we say, in this sense, and
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Speaker 19: various other institutions in our society, and it's it's it's
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Speaker 19: very frustrating because when you believe that you've had some
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Speaker 19: kind of victory, you start feeling optimistic, but it gets
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Speaker 19: to the point now where you know people heap up the.
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Speaker 2: Fight night becoming a solution. Do you know about the fight?
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Speaker 2: As I said, you've given me hope, hope, you've given
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Speaker 2: my viewers hope tonight. Thanks thanks for joining me. Do
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Speaker 2: you magnives are like told you you were spentestic?
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Speaker 9: All right?
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Speaker 2: That's it from me from London. We're going to crosspect
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Speaker 2: to Steve. Lots of things to get across. I'll see
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Speaker 2: you tomorrow night. We're going to talk about deradicalization tomorrow
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Speaker 2: and radical Islam.
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Speaker 8: Join me there, Welcome back, great stuff from Peter there.
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Speaker 8: Should be back with you from London normal time tomorrow night.
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Speaker 8: Let's bring in the panel on our senior fellow for
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Speaker 8: the Menzi's Institute, Nkata and former Liberal MP Nicole Flint.
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Speaker 8: Welcome to both of you. Great to see you and
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Speaker 8: great to see our old Prime Minister Tony Abbott there
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Speaker 8: in London. Well here we go another day, guys. Another
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Speaker 8: generational study. So ten thousand people, so a substantial cohort.
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Speaker 8: I guess you could argue age between nineteen and twenty
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Speaker 8: four years old. That's gen z I'm told reliably. But
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Speaker 8: this finding they have fears about global warming, nick and
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Speaker 8: Nicole and climate change twenty percent of that ten thousand,
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Speaker 8: So if my math's right, two thousand of them. So
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Speaker 8: those concerns mean they do not want to have children.
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Speaker 8: I mean the Australian Institute of Family Studies found two
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Speaker 8: thirds of those aged nineteen to twenty four so concerned
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Speaker 8: about the environment. Nick, I read these things with I
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Speaker 8: think a healthy skepticism. But if you look at the
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Speaker 8: education system in our country, probably shouldn't surprise us, should it.
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Speaker 1: No, it's indictment on those teachers, on those educators who
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Speaker 1: just teach kids to be pessimistic. You know this is
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Speaker 1: I think kids are generally coming out of school very pessimistic,
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Speaker 1: looking for something to be pessimistic about. And they've got
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Speaker 1: climate change, I've got other things to worry about. And
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Speaker 1: this is completely wrong. I mean, you should be teaching
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Speaker 1: kids that come out thinking, well, whatever we've achieved so far,
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Speaker 1: and don't forget these kids are growing up at the
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Speaker 1: most prosperous time in history, right. Well, we've solved many
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Speaker 1: of the diseases and things that afflicted previous generations, not
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Speaker 1: all of them, but we will and they should be
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Speaker 1: encouraged to say, well, we're going to do better, we're
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Speaker 1: going to go on, we're going to achieve more. But
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Speaker 1: this very basic thing, you know, raising kids, the one
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Speaker 1: thing which is one of the most fundamental things to
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Speaker 1: human nature and can give you a great sense of achievement.
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Speaker 1: They're being denied that by teachers who just tell them
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Speaker 1: everything's wrong, everything's going badly. So this is just a
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Speaker 1: small example of what we see right across the board.
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Speaker 8: I think, Nikol I tend to have a little more
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Speaker 8: optimism for young people than what that study shows. They've
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Speaker 8: got two daughters in their late twenties, but this idea
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Speaker 8: that they're not going to have children because they've been
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Speaker 8: so scared by being lectured constantly about global warming. Do
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Speaker 8: you think maybe once you get to twenty four to
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Speaker 8: twenty five that you might then change your mind, You
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Speaker 8: might get a bit more sensible about this stuff.
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Speaker 9: Look, you would certainly hope so, Steve.
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Speaker 20: But the fact is, as Nick has just pointed out,
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Speaker 20: we've had a couple of generations of kids now who
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Speaker 20: have been completely brainwashed by a heavily left leaning education system.
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Speaker 20: So I hope that these young people will come to
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Speaker 20: their senses and will see some hope for the future.
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Speaker 9: If they don't, if they can't.
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Speaker 20: Re educate themselves, I suppose maybe we don't want them
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Speaker 20: having kids anyway and perpetuating the problem.
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Speaker 8: Well let's hope it's all going to turn around. But
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Speaker 8: I mean, I don't have a great deal of confidence. Listen,
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Speaker 8: I watched both of you. I watched Angus Tart today.
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Speaker 8: He went out and did one of his media conferences.
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Speaker 8: He addressed the controversial tax bill today, had a little
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Speaker 8: bit of a clash with reporters. I've got a bit
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Speaker 8: of a theory on this. I'll put that to you,
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Speaker 8: Nicole in a sect. But here's what Angus Taylor had
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Speaker 8: to put up with today outside parliament.
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Speaker 5: There's a very personal issue for me in what this
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Speaker 5: budget is doing. Too hard working Australians, you know, small businesses, investors,
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Speaker 5: young Australians putting away anistic so that they could buy
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Speaker 5: a home. So can I finish? Can I finish this?
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Speaker 5: Can I finish this? Well, I'm responding to this and
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Speaker 5: I tell you what that is an assault on aspiration
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Speaker 5: in this country.
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Speaker 8: Nicole. The Canbra Press Gallery, You've dealt with them, but
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Speaker 8: they seem to either I don't know if they smell
44:05
Speaker 8: a bit of blood in the water. But they don't
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Speaker 8: treat Anthony Albanezi like that. But they tend to interrupt
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Speaker 8: and attack Angus Taylor at every opportunity.
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Speaker 20: Well, of course they do because as we know, unfortunately,
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Speaker 20: apart from you, Steve and all of your wonderful colleagues
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Speaker 20: at Sky and sensible papers like the Daily Telegraph and
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Speaker 20: the Tireser and the Herald Sun.
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Speaker 9: Most journos are heavily left.
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Speaker 20: Leaning, especially in the press gallery, whether it's the ABC
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Speaker 20: or The Guardian, etc.
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Speaker 9: Etc.
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Speaker 20: So look, it's really good to see Gus firing up.
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Speaker 20: We need to see more of it. But what we
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Speaker 20: really need to see from the Coalition is really strong
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Speaker 20: policies being released as quickly as possible that are a
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Speaker 20: real point of difference to not just labor but also
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Speaker 20: one nation.
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Speaker 8: I love the term Gus. I think he should go
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Speaker 8: with that. I think Nicole gussoud suit him very well.
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Speaker 8: I mean, we saw the picture of him on the
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Speaker 8: horse last night. Gus would be perfect, Nick. What do
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Speaker 8: you make of the camera press gallery?
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Speaker 1: They're not serious people anymore, although it's hard to find
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Speaker 1: anybody there who's got a serious interested in policy and form.
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Speaker 1: They just want the circus of it.
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Speaker 7: That's why they're.
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Speaker 1: Loving Paul and Hanson at the moment, because she's providing
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Speaker 1: a bit of entertainment for them. Angus Taylor has got
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Speaker 1: down to some serious economic reform, and if we want
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Speaker 1: economic reform in this country, we want to have lower
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Speaker 1: taxes through things like ending bracket group, then we've got
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Speaker 1: to listen to him. But I just don't think the
45:29
Speaker 1: Canberra Gallery are in the mood to do that. I
45:31
Speaker 1: suspect maybe the broader population aren't really in the mood
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Speaker 1: for that conversation right now. But he's got no alternative.
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Speaker 1: He has to keep going with these very basic but
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Speaker 1: important points about the economy, the future, the aspiration and investment,
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Speaker 1: because if we don't talk about these things, if we
45:48
Speaker 1: don't address these things, then there's a very gloomy future
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Speaker 1: ahead for this country. That's the long and the short
45:54
Speaker 1: of it. So I back him all the way. And
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Speaker 1: I just wish the Gallery with the Gallery that we
45:58
Speaker 1: used to be there in the nineties when they used
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Speaker 1: to be urging both sides onto even greater feats of
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Speaker 1: economic reform.
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Speaker 5: Not now.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they know what economic reform is that's.
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Speaker 8: Not going to happen, Nick if Nicole, If you want
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Speaker 8: to know why so many people in regional Australia are
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Speaker 8: turning to one nation they feel they're ignored. I mean,
46:16
Speaker 8: have listened to this dreadful story a pensioner who was
46:19
Speaker 8: allegedly stabbed in her home Northern Tablelands region of Northern
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Speaker 8: New South Wales. They had to stay in the house
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Speaker 8: because if they'd run outside to escape their attackers, they
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Speaker 8: would have lost mobile phone coverage. Seventy two year old woman,
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Speaker 8: her and a husband essentially forced to confront the intruder
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Speaker 8: because if they went outside they couldn't make a phone call.
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Speaker 8: I mean, how's that acceptable in twenty twenty six, It's.
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Speaker 9: Not acceptable at all.
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Speaker 20: And Steve, I live three hundred kilometers from Adelaide, so
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Speaker 20: our family farm is in the southeast of South Australia.
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Speaker 20: We have never had worse mobile phone reception. I'm on
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Speaker 20: Vota Phone, mom and daughter on Telstress, so we've got
46:57
Speaker 20: both both providers covered and it's just as bad on each.
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Speaker 20: So phone coverage has gotten worse. The federal government has
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Speaker 20: a lot to answer for. What has everything to answer
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Speaker 20: for on this, But also I'd say a whole lot
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Speaker 20: of usually very safe seat holders in rural and regional
47:15
Speaker 20: Australia who haven't been advocating for their residents and haven't
47:20
Speaker 20: been holding the telcos and the government, whether it's labor
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Speaker 20: or Liberal, to account. It is unacceptable and quite honestly, look,
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Speaker 20: I wrote this column over a decade ago. Having phone
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Speaker 20: reception is a human right, as these poor couple have,
47:34
Speaker 20: This poor couple of just discovered in the most life
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Speaker 20: threatening of situations.
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Speaker 9: It's unacceptable and it needs to be fixed.
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Speaker 2: Nick.
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Speaker 8: That's where one nation is surging in the polls. People
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Speaker 8: are just sick of being treated like mugs.
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Speaker 13: They are.
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Speaker 1: The government comes up with very bad ideas and then
47:52
Speaker 1: it can't even do those properly. So, you know, these
47:55
Speaker 1: sort of things really annoy people. You know, the NBN,
47:59
Speaker 1: the problems with that. I mean I had issues with
48:01
Speaker 1: it this morning and I'm.
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Speaker 8: Not holes in row.
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Speaker 1: You know these things, Yeah, these are things with our
48:06
Speaker 1: government has spent a lot of our money trying to
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Speaker 1: do for us and they're not working. And it's just
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Speaker 1: another reason I think why people are saying we're sick
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Speaker 1: of the lot of you.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely, people are very pete off. Nicole and Nick appreciate
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Speaker 8: your company tonight. Thank you very much. I'll be back
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Speaker 8: with Peter Kredlin tomorrow night at six. She will of
48:24
Speaker 8: course be in London again tomorrow night. Fantastic interviews she
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Speaker 8: had with her three guests tonight. She'll be live from
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Speaker 8: that conference in London tomorrow night. It's time for the
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Speaker 8: Bolt Report with my own mate Andrew Bolt