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Vault Master 25: Game-Changer or Overhyped Boogeyman? · Archons Corner

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  Speaker 1: Thanks swimming, try again, sheep, there you go. What's going on? Everybody?
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  Speaker 1: I am the one, the only the w o Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I e gotta talk fast because we're late joined here,
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  Speaker 1: but the normal can you?
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  Speaker 1: I am late, but I will take full responsibility for
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  Speaker 1: doctor Sheep drafts or I'm sorry. Drafscar is a new name. Decour.
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  Speaker 1: I was on time, Yes you were, and the ewakyist
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  Speaker 1: of ewoks.
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  Speaker 3: Ewok Hello, key Ford community.
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  Speaker 1: Glad to be It's that time again where we've got
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  Speaker 1: another article because it's too much to ask Ghost Galaxy
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  Speaker 1: to come out with an article in the same week
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  Speaker 1: that we all talk about the Vault tour we were
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  Speaker 1: just at. So now we get to talk about the
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  Speaker 1: Vault Tour article.
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  Speaker 2: Yay?
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  Speaker 1: Is everybody ready?
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  Speaker 3: All?
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  Speaker 1: They got the picture of sheep smiling? They did, they did,
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  Speaker 1: finally got one of sheep smiling.
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  Speaker 4: I just realized they've got me with my goofball bush
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  Speaker 4: light hat right on the main page.
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  Speaker 1: Do they really? Oh yeah, funny because they asked me
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  Speaker 1: thumbnail hit the bush light at why not? But again,
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  Speaker 1: I guess we can go over the full Top eight
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  Speaker 1: Top eight Mam and DG Pete x ray creator draz
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  Speaker 1: core all ac members, great job, everybody, way to rock
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  Speaker 1: up the lock up the bottom ranks and then caps
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  Speaker 1: a Captain Crispy. He's taking top four, runner up Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: and winner is doctor Sheep Sheep. How does it finally
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  Speaker 1: feel to have a sealed win under your belt.
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  Speaker 2: All the same as any other day?
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  Speaker 1: Oh boy, not what we saw.
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  Speaker 4: I don't understand what I'm looking at there with this
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  Speaker 4: like it almost looks like he's smiling.
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  Speaker 1: He is smiling. That is a smile. He don't do
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  Speaker 1: it often, but every now and again he smiles.
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  Speaker 3: You should. You should see how he puts both his
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  Speaker 3: trophies in each ear. Oh yeah, I don't think you
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  Speaker 3: were in that's his No, No, that's our locals, that's
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  Speaker 3: his new move. Ye yes, yes, that's.
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  Speaker 2: My wookie ear plugs. Is when I put in both trophies.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we were saying, I don't remember what was.
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  Speaker 2: What I do when I get the third trophy? Where's
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  Speaker 2: that go? I could show you where it goes.
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  Speaker 1: I can show you where it goes.
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  Speaker 5: Well, that's thirty seconds.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds about right. But then we move into
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  Speaker 1: our con Look at that field. It's a small field again,
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  Speaker 1: twenty four only in the field, but half of the
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  Speaker 1: twenty four in the field were grim reminders. Yep. Literally,
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  Speaker 1: it's actually literally fifty percent of the field. And then
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  Speaker 1: what a third of the field is ember Skies you
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  Speaker 1: ember Sky's apologists thinking it would do.
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  Speaker 4: Something twenty five percent. I'm sorry, twenty five percent one,
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  Speaker 4: but it is the number.
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  Speaker 1: We can go too.
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  Speaker 5: It's I can't read hard for what fractions are difficult?
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  Speaker 5: It's not even a fraction it is it's six over
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  Speaker 5: twenty four.
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  Speaker 1: That is a fraction, sir.
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  Speaker 3: But look your teacher, the screw guys, and it has
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  Speaker 3: the percent.
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  Speaker 1: Wookie, Yeah, I can't see that. It's too small. Make
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  Speaker 1: your words bigger on your on your page.
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  Speaker 2: Is the surprising thing that there's only two token stacks.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I was actually quite surprised if there was only
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  Speaker 1: two tokens decks.
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  Speaker 4: It was also very limited in Rochester choosing to bring
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  Speaker 4: tokens decks. Well, tokens is very hit and miss, like
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  Speaker 4: it's either a monster or it's not. Because there was
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  Speaker 4: two token stacks. Yeah, one was fine.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about ARCon you only bring monsters.
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  Speaker 3: I mean Flaming Hobo in the top eight. Actually top
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  Speaker 3: four had a top deck.
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  Speaker 1: A token stack too, or no, tobin wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: Mend tokens yep, So mammon, who is top eight and
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  Speaker 3: Flaming Hobo they're both here under the ark On results.
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  Speaker 3: And then Tobinator had actually membry Skies and then Jason
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  Speaker 3: had grim Reminders. So yeah, you actually so interesting. Look
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  Speaker 3: at that conversion. Actually two for two for two out
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  Speaker 3: of the top eight were your token stacks.
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  Speaker 1: How did ember Skies do?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Sorry, no, you had the second runner up second, And yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna attribute a lot of that to the pilot.
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  Speaker 4: You're welcome x Ray. I mean x Ray's good and
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  Speaker 4: Olympia's very good. Olympia is a very good deck.
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  Speaker 2: Olympia is very good. That'x ray sucks. And it turns
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  Speaker 2: out that only gets it the second.
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  Speaker 1: You're telling me if Olympia had a better pilot, it
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  Speaker 1: would have gotten first. I ay, you said it, well,
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  Speaker 1: I said it not you one call the arcons decks
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  Speaker 1: thanks sheep, yep. There was a vault Master twenty four
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  Speaker 1: and a vault Master twenty five. I have no idea
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  Speaker 1: who was playing those.
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  Speaker 2: The twenty five was Dave. He was like being with
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  Speaker 2: two to one and dropped. I don't have no idea
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  Speaker 2: who was on the VM twenty four back.
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  Speaker 3: No, that Morgan was on the Winds of Exchange deck.
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  Speaker 3: So one for one there, so again great conversion rate.
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  Speaker 3: Rex is good deck too.
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  Speaker 2: Toto might have been one for one if I played
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  Speaker 2: one more round, but you didn't.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know you came to Dirty Alliance. Welcome to
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  Speaker 1: Dirty Alliance, Dirty Geistoids, Congratulations. Top eight manon manon DG,
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  Speaker 1: topinator Jace, who was Jason Morgan? Top four Ewok Junior
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  Speaker 1: Flaming Hobo Runner up, x Ray and winners.
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  Speaker 2: Onward would if you would like to sell a good deck.
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  Speaker 2: Ray is a big sucker.
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  Speaker 1: You can hit him up. He's looking yeah. Does it
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  Speaker 1: make it worth more? Does it is Olympia worth more
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  Speaker 1: now that it's ascended? Or is it worth less?
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  Speaker 3: Ah?
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  Speaker 2: I mean depends how much you want to play it
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  Speaker 2: at Worlds.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's the question, right, is it worth more worthless?
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  Speaker 2: Now? I mean if you don't have a deck to
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  Speaker 2: play at Worlds, it's worth more fair enough few then
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  Speaker 2: it's I mean it's I don't think the value actually
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  Speaker 2: changes that much because there's not that many voltes to
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  Speaker 2: go to.
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  Speaker 1: Very interesting top ten cards? You guys ready for this?
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  Speaker 3: Oh you're going ten cards? Or because I want you?
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  Speaker 1: You want to go to the houses first? Houses I
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  Speaker 1: never find as interesting. Houses kind of fell exactly how
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  Speaker 1: I kind of thought they would.
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  Speaker 3: But the one thing that I will say about the
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  Speaker 3: houses is, out of the twenty four ARCon decks, seventeen
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  Speaker 3: of them contain Geistoid. So think about that breakdown. Seventeen
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  Speaker 3: of the twenty four that is that seems that's very
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  Speaker 3: very very high. And it's saying something about geistoid. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: saying something about what's from Reminders Amber Skies, which should
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  Speaker 3: have equalled Should we.
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  Speaker 1: Say something about Skyborne which only had four decks in
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  Speaker 1: the field.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well that the Geistoid is seventeen out of the
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  Speaker 2: twenty decks that could have it as well. Right, they
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  Speaker 2: are only twenty backs that could even have Geistoid's in them,
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  Speaker 2: and seventeen of them were there.
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  Speaker 3: But I think it shows something about when Geistoid with
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  Speaker 3: its Commons when it shows up, it's just so good
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  Speaker 3: for its recursion and what it's able to bring.
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  Speaker 2: Back houses broken.
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  Speaker 4: The house is not broken. You just have to bring
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  Speaker 4: up the rest of the houses to be par with Geistoit.
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  Speaker 3: What do you guys think about because we've seen Mars
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  Speaker 3: Marshnanigans that exists in Olympio has great Mars too. But
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  Speaker 3: ten decks out of the twenty four, yep, kind of.
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  Speaker 1: What I thought it would be.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that doesn't surprise me.
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  Speaker 1: Not surprised.
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  Speaker 4: The one that surprised me was nine for and Tamed
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  Speaker 4: at number three.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not as surprised that with Spooky Charge out
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  Speaker 1: and about that doesn't That doesn't surprise me as much.
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  Speaker 4: It's less common, Like I do like spooky Charge, but
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  Speaker 4: but it's less common to see it.
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  Speaker 1: I feel Charge quite a bit.
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  Speaker 3: On Fathomables deck had Untamed, which had a really nice
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  Speaker 3: triple haunting Witch and Spooky Charge there that that was
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  Speaker 3: a nasty deck to play against.
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  Speaker 1: Also, Spooky Charge doesn't purge itself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, five five out of the eight finalists decks had Mars.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yeap.
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  Speaker 3: Again Mars Mars real good. What about the idea for shadows,
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  Speaker 3: I mean if we had looked at this back in Coda.
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  Speaker 1: A shadows sucks.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, we've seen it suck for a while, but
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  Speaker 3: just to see that transformation from early Coda.
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  Speaker 2: Logos is the other one, right, that's now at the
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  Speaker 2: bottom of the list.
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  Speaker 3: Four decks and well, people still scream about logos like
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  Speaker 3: logos logos enables, but it is very interesting to see
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  Speaker 3: logos not showing up. Well.
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  Speaker 2: It's also interesting because logos six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven,
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  Speaker 2: eleven of those decks could have logos in them, and
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  Speaker 2: only four of eleven were logos. That that seems surprising
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  Speaker 2: to me.
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  Speaker 1: That does feel low. Yeah, I would say that the
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  Speaker 1: one I'm more shocked at is unfathomaball. With six, they
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  Speaker 1: have not been very good. They have not really been
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  Speaker 1: I mean they they sucked in uh Dark Tidings d
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  Speaker 1: T and then it got real good and in Wall
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  Speaker 1: but like they weren't all. I mean, they were okay,
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  Speaker 1: really okay. And and grim Reminders a briocalp right, brio
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  Speaker 1: calp right. Well, I mean, yeah, that's kind of your
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  Speaker 1: jam and grim Reminders, right, But like, I mean that
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  Speaker 1: Befuddled is definitely still a monster card. It's the woe
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  Speaker 1: deck right.
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  Speaker 2: Which is not surprising because that's where it was strong.
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  Speaker 1: Right. But ember Sky is rob and I are even
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  Speaker 1: in the top five. Brick Nasty is still doing some work.
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  Speaker 2: And that is the only only fish stack that made.
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  Speaker 3: It to the top cut was from the Boxy yep.
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  Speaker 2: So don't bring your fish sacks, and they don't. They
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  Speaker 2: don't make it.
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  Speaker 3: That's interesting.
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  Speaker 1: On the control component and control too slow, I don't
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  Speaker 1: well know too slow.
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  Speaker 4: I think he walked doesn't think anything's too slow, so
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  Speaker 4: nothing's too slow for you, walk.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was just the third house in decks
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  Speaker 2: with really good geistoid mars, and it just happened to
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  Speaker 2: be your third grappy house is probably.
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  Speaker 1: What it was, more unlikely because it was great and
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  Speaker 1: grim reminders. I mean, it's okay, you got some decent cards,
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  Speaker 1: but like they're also they're also really strange, right like
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  Speaker 1: because like some cards a geystraight or if you're haunted,
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  Speaker 1: if your opponent's haunted, it's really kind of all over
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  Speaker 1: the place. I mean that's ar con So yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: top ten cards, I don't know if any of these
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  Speaker 1: surprise me. Actually only one surprises me in here. So
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  Speaker 1: we'll start at ten iron x Rebel number nine, grabber
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  Speaker 1: jammer number eight, six, h Zixel fricks, seven boos six,
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  Speaker 1: routine job five, Haunted house hold on.
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  Speaker 3: So just so you're where ten through seven all had eight,
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  Speaker 3: they had eight total in the decks that we're seeing,
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  Speaker 3: so those are actually ten through seven are all the same. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I think that I think that that does matter, and
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  Speaker 3: it does show the importance of that Mars set, especially
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  Speaker 3: on three of those. The deck that I played head
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  Speaker 3: double doctor, double rebels.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the deck that I played had double doctor, double
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  Speaker 1: rebel two, so no, it only does one doctor, two rebels,
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  Speaker 1: that's right, Yeah, two grabber jammers. So I mean Ari
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  Speaker 1: he accounts for actually almost this entire list except for
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  Speaker 1: like routine job. Was I did not see any routine jobs?
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  Speaker 1: Is that just in twenty four quad routine job?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, four of them came in Mammon's deck that.
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  Speaker 1: Two of them came in in, so that's six.
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  Speaker 2: Now thinking about it, I'm guessing it was Gorlami on
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  Speaker 2: his VM twenty four. That's also a quad job stack.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, there you go, quad quad and then two and
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  Speaker 1: two in frauds there's your ten.
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  Speaker 3: So are you saying that it has more to do
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  Speaker 3: with a quad routine job being a nice set of
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  Speaker 3: four cards versus VM twenty four, VM twenty five having
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  Speaker 3: power interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, yep. Absolutely Haunted House number five with eleven, alb
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  Speaker 1: Astray number twelve with and I'm Sorry, number four with twelve,
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  Speaker 1: Reaver number three with fourteen, Junk Restoration number two with fourteen,
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  Speaker 1: and in Here Somewhere with twenty m. There was almost
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  Speaker 1: as many in here somewheres as there was decks in
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  Speaker 1: the field. Yep, I am a little surprise.
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  Speaker 2: Haunted house is actually that high.
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  Speaker 3: So the thing about haunted house is haunted house comes
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  Speaker 3: in at a comment. And so you're looking at common
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  Speaker 3: for hanted house, common for in here somewhere, common for reaver,
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  Speaker 3: And so I think that.
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  Speaker 2: Albea a straight yeah, and alba, it's just a little surprised.
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  Speaker 4: Is limited right to max two?
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  Speaker 1: I believe that. I don't know, but I don't. How
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  Speaker 1: do you feel about it's Haunted House A good card? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's fine, it's fine, right, Like it's not good, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's fine.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's it's pretty good. It pushes pretty hard double
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  Speaker 2: double houses.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it is basically a return right, it's one
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  Speaker 1: number of turn no matter and let you know after
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  Speaker 1: you're haunted.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it is discarding to be able to get
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  Speaker 3: there a little bit quicker. It also, I mean, if
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  Speaker 3: you have issues, you have key cards and you don't
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  Speaker 3: have ways to recur them, then it could be problematic.
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  Speaker 3: But the short answer is most of these decks that
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  Speaker 3: are top arc on we you have recursion and here
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  Speaker 3: somewhere correct and so I can discard get there quicker,
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  Speaker 3: and then I'm gaining off of it with the haunted.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a solid card.
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  Speaker 2: All right, cons fresh power to this because everybody can
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  Speaker 2: read this article.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, three Shadows decks ten routine jobs. That
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  Speaker 4: means every Shadows house had routine job.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, yes, yes it did. Weird how that works.
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  Speaker 2: I tell you they're not important and fraud made. They're fine,
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  Speaker 2: but they're not important to a degree.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Going through Alliance, where we have eleven in
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  Speaker 1: the field. Top eight we had Scott k Captain, Crispy
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  Speaker 1: fig and doctor Sheet top four, Gorolami and S. E. Steele.
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  Speaker 1: Runner up was myself and Dave is the champion. Anything
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  Speaker 1: this has more, weirdly enough, has more of a smattering
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  Speaker 1: of what was in the field than Arkan. We have
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  Speaker 1: three ember Skies, two Age of Ascensions, one Call of
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  Speaker 1: the Arkans, one World's Collide, one mass Mutation, one Wins
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  Speaker 1: of Exchange, one Grim Reminders, and one Tokens of Exchange.
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  Speaker 1: I account for all of the Call the Arcons. Dave
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  Speaker 1: accounted for all of the World's Collide. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: who was playing. I don't know who was playing M
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  Speaker 1: Captain Christy is playing the M M winsor Exchange was GORLAMI.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know who was playing Groom Reminders. Tokens was
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  Speaker 1: fig I have no idea who's playing the umber Scow.
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  Speaker 1: I know Sydney has a number Sky's deck, right, yea,
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  Speaker 1: the also on an Amber Sky's deck.
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  Speaker 3: And I know that there can be a comments in
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  Speaker 3: regards to okay, uh, Lions field is much more diverse.
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  Speaker 3: I just think this is such a small pool to pull.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah that it you don't have enough data to really.
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  Speaker 2: Two of us are are playing Sydney cast offs.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not cast offs. We're just we're just we're
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  Speaker 1: just on a mission to ascend them before she does.
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  Speaker 2: She won't anymore. It's different, Yes, playing Sidney key Forge.
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  Speaker 1: It's just our con for us suckers who don't want
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  Speaker 1: to build things, which is me and cheap, so we
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  Speaker 1: just take whatever city doesn't want and then we ascend it.
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  Speaker 2: It is the intro. I guess when you look at
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  Speaker 2: this interesting thing is Logos.
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  Speaker 1: Is at the top of this list yep, seven of
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  Speaker 1: them for.
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  Speaker 2: Houses, right where it was at the bottom of the
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  Speaker 2: other one shadows.
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  Speaker 3: Still no good here, but logos. You have so many
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  Speaker 3: more old FFG sets and Logos was just absolutely king
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  Speaker 3: there for being able to provide efficiency. That doesn't surprise me.
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  Speaker 1: Well, to be fair, since Gigi took over, how many
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: times have they done logos twice? I'm not counting?
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  Speaker 3: Mmm, okay, so you're not cutting mm are you?
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  Speaker 1: Because I don't think they added any new cards to logos.
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  Speaker 2: And mmmh yeah, I was like one creature okay, the
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  Speaker 2: new dugger are then there is one other creature? So they.
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  Speaker 1: They only released Tokens of Change, which does have Logos
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  Speaker 1: in it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And are we counting the vault mass?
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  Speaker 1: So that's the thing. All new I mean, are all
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  Speaker 1: just vaults. That's all reprints.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's why I'm asking if you were counting it
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  Speaker 3: or not. But technically that's their ownership.
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  Speaker 2: That is a thing to point out is Vault Masters
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: doesn't make any alliance decks yet.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Not here, No were any even attempted, not a one, No,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: not even not even good, not even good enough to
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: alliance yet.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean there's such.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Well we'll get into that in a little bit. But yeah, supposedly.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Dustin says the king of this format.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Dustin is the king of this format. So top ten cards,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: sloppy lab work, which we're all in my deck, Nature's
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: call Colonel slime with four in the pent seed I
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: had two. I have three of those. I think shark
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: I gore Eddie four by four which is which are
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: all in daged clipped wings which is a very good card,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: very strong card in here somewhere, and the dust imp
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: is the king well dust and ban in here somewhere
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: and clipped wings all with seven.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Okay in clipped wings. Wasn't Pete playing his he.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Had a double clipped wings? Yeah, yeah, so he has.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Double clipped wings.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: So there's four of them there, yep.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well we'll keep letting the lines happen and anything.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Sheep and a much grumpier picture here.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm representing the different formats of KeyForge.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: The usually interpreting all the different different different sides of
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: k I.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Actually don't know if i'd be grumpier and in an
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: ARCon or align these days.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Both junk sealed is still the best?
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Sealed?
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Is it still the best? So we move onward and
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: upward to Portland? Is next? I believe this upcoming?
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this month, well next month technically, so twenty ninth.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: We're almost in the June.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: So we're not there yet, baby, close enough.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I know you're counting down the days because you only
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: have like eight and a half more days of school
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: till you get to do whatever it is. He walks,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: do No, I got this wrong.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: So in the key Forge Vault Masters special event, it
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: says the undefeated players were myself and DRASCR. I was
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: definitely not undefeated there. That's Mamon DG.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Got greedy with an Ig and then he br geisted
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: my oda whac and I just I just made a
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: sad face, sad face, sad face because I could no
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: longer steal his hamber.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: You know what, they have CSV files now for full
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: tournament results.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I just realize I have that. Oh, those really go
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: to the Oh yeah, you can download? Yeah?
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: Is that for?
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Is that for uh key Chanden's.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they had announced for keychain that they were pushing
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: that in So yes, I don't. I don't have confirmation,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: but that is my guess as.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Too, because that's how keychains likes I believe likes their
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: data entered, if I'm not mistaken, they like it in
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: CSV format.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why they said it's now going to be
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: in key chains.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Mmm, so wait for that check in the mail Keychains guys.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Something tells me you'll be waiting as long as we
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: have been waiting. Yeah, we're still waiting.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: What that was at the questioner unfathomable? That was the
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: only the only AC member to uh not make a
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: top guy. Yeah, wow, jaws get the person with the
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: most wins across all offered time slots played a lot
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: of key Forge what a lot of games, just not
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: in the main events.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: What about the efford Fish?
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Over thirty percent of eliminated players joined Second Amber over
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: thirty percent. That's what it says.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: That thought so great? Well it wasn't over though, I bet.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: But it says seventeen players uh in thirteen seventeen. Oh
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: that's not seventeen unique players, because if seventeen players, that's
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: like most of the field. Yeah, that's the I mean,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Iwaka and I even played a second Amber game.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I played a second Umber game too.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: I did not.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I played against fig he whipped my ass.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I don't remember what we're doing or why we played it,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: but we did.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't, I don't remember. I mean, it was
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: just like streaming. Oh yeah, I enjoyed that nice.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I got nacked.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: I got knocked out of Sealed Sheep, and you I think,
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: oh yeah, I three out it. So so I was like,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: I am playing, and then all of a sudden, I
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: was playing you.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Trying to get those TV tickets that we didn't do
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: any Yeah again, in a field of twenty four, I
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: feel like you could have gone in the back room
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: and just gotten another box and we two weeks, in,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: two weeks, three weeks, whatever the next event goes right Partland, yep,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: TV will be in basically everybody's hands, YEP. So the
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: excitement of a PV tour seems we're real low. Like
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: the like, the whole TV tournament thing was pretty cool
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: when it was pre released, but now it's just gonna be.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I already have this.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what are they gonna do?
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Like Draconian Sky is it's ready to go? Right, So
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: it's for it's four maybe it's four weeks.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: It's four weeks to Portland, and that would be my
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: suggestion is that you're then another two months out to
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Crucible class. So yes, why not put it in?
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: But people are getting Crucible class decks already, not in your.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Game phone but limited. No, no, it's it's a limiteding
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: game phone.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: You got it limit. I thought it wasn't in game phone, right.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: I guess that's what they can do. They could run
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: a crucible clash. That's fine. What are you is exciting?
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Now we're not here to talk about that today.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: We're not here to talk about what.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Crucible class.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, I was gonna ask what if
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: they offered that they had a box of Draconian that
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: you could try out? Would that be enticing?
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: They will know well that that's not the question. The
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: question is whether it's enticing or not.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: Yes, get you out of your car, get you off
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: your ass to go play more quy fork.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Yes. I don't think that they will have it either.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: But even if they don't, I don't think they started
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: designing it.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: You know, they're like dragons our preview cards.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: So the preview cards guys, yeah.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: You know every preview card has pretty much always changed.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: But no, even if they said, hey, you can go
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: here and there's this thin chance that you get a
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: pre release of the next set that you can't do
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: anything with, I wouldn't really care.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Really.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, like if I was there and I got
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: to play it, I'd be like, cool, what.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Gives doctor Sheep up in the morning? Like what gives
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: you Rile? Do you like fu glan do this? Like
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: you flip it?
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: What?
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: What? What is?
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what that is.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: For you, little Sheep.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: It's like nothing. It's the thought of like he saw
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: places you're not supposed to think that.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: I mean that's the only other time I've seen Sheep
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: with that smile that he has right there as a sealed.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Champion, right a place he wasn't supposed to be peeing.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: That's all right. I mean I don't know, I like you,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know what excites Sheep anymore, Like I would
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, that's cool.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I guess it comes back around to the things you've
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: said about this game, though, is like who cares if
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: you have a pre release for a set in this game,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: because it's not like they they're not gonna make a
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: treatment on it. That makes I mean like maybe they
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: did some fancy treatment where only twenty pre release or
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: you know, like the one box per set came out,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: so they're super rare and kind of neat.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: What if they were foil?
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, I mean like that helps, but that's still isn't
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: probably enough to drive you to make a random chance
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: at an event?
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Well no, no, you would have to communicate this well
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: well in advance, like we will be doing this at
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: this event, right, Like, yeah, we've all well no, not
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: all of us have been joying TV because I didn't.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: I still haven't played PV.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: I haven't.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I didn't get it. Good good for you, d but it.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Has brought us TV multiple times to play with.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and all you jump and jump in front and
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, yeah, whatever, that's fine. But either way,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: like I I didn't get a chance to play PV
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: at the Vault Tour. You want to know why, because
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I didn't play enough second Ember games Because you know,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: I've spent all day grinding in all these damn events. Yeah,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: so I didn't get I got my one ticket that
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I got in the beginning of the day. Because it's
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: again the way the two l os some works is
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: if you're just good enough, you can do nothing but
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: grind in the main event and not give shit for it.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: You got two choices here, Lucky, you can either suck
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: more or suck less. This right, Your current level of
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: suck is the.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Wrong, but my current level of suck is right in
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: the middle. Right, So it's like you're just good enough
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: to You're just good enough to almost be there, but
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: not quite sucky enough to do all the fun shit.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: You've got a word about it.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: This is yes, Okay. So here was where I was thinking.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: I think that Jacony measures is too early, Like I
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: actually do want to digest prosthetic visions because it at
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: this point, by Portland a month out, hopefully we will
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: have ours. I think that the announcement from Game found Today,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: which came out literally today Thursday the twenty ninth, that
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: basically they were hoping to get us shipments going by
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: the end of this week. They've essentially gone from around
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: the world and they kind of stated where they had already.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: Shipped out, which means mid next week.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Honestly mid next but mid next week. Even there, you
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: would have still another three weeks for it to be
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: able to get to. So most people will have prophetic
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: visions at that point. I think the excitement of a
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: new set, we want to.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: Actually you sure, what when is Portland next?
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Three weeks?
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: No, it's four weeks. It's my daughter's birthday. So this weekend,
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: this weekend is the thirty first and first, then you
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: have the seventh and eighth, fourteenth and fifteenth, and then
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: you have the twenty first, twenty second, which should be
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Portland unless I'm off on Portland, but that there.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Is the twentieth, Yeah, Portland is June twentieth, and the
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: twenty second.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Yes, which is why it's the weekend right before my
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: daughter's birthday on that Monday. So that's why I was like, eh,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: But if you're looking at four weeks, I think that
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: that prophetic visions will be in most households for those
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: people who have gone ahead. In fact, I think there's
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: excitement when a new set comes out, and you don't
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: actually want to lose that by bringing out something you
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: don't want to bring out the next set when you're
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: just trying to.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: You're not bringing it out. You're literally just doing it
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: for like fun, you're trying to draw people in for
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: to come to your events.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Yes, but I'm going to tell you right now, if
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: this was me instead, I would lean into the prophetic
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: visions being here. And you're like, well, I already have
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: prophetic visions. I've bought this from gain found that I
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: think that what was said a little bit ago is
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: the way I would do it. I would foil them.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: I put the special treatment on just that individual box.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Now you have a limited scarcity. Oh, people are gonna
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: go ahead and freak out. But again, if you communicate
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: that ahead of time that this is going to be
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: here and you have a chance to play in it.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Because I didn't say anything about but again, if it
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: was me, even with a month, maybe it entices. If
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: it enticed, is another what one?
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Two?
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Three people? Three people? Frankly, you're gonna be pushing correct,
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, Like God, but we know, we
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: know that they have the ability to foil. Their foiling
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: actually is really really good because they released it at
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: sen and so we saw that it is spot treatment
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: in specific areas as targeted. It looks really really good.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure we weren't supposed to know about that.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know how they thought they were going to
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: hide that, but I'm pretty sure we're not supposed to
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: know about that. It was given I'm going to randomly
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: open a foil deck, like, okay, so it was released.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: At I'll start looking for the decks that are curving
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: a little more.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: It was No, it was released at Essen, so you
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: you know that that was there. It was seen as
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: something that was given to others who are at Essen
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: to walk away with, to be able to entice other
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: companies to be able to buy and to get foil items.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: So we know we know that exists.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but again, I don't I don't think the Americans, right,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I don't think us as Americans were really supposed to
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: know about it.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Now, they weren't typical don't say nothing.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Right, I'd not say they're hiding it. What I am
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: saying is they're kind of like, hey, don't talk about it,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: and it won't.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: You mean, Essen the largest game festival in the whole
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: entire world.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: But we're Americans we're dumb. We don't pay attention to
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: what's going on overseas.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Again, you you, you, and and and. The thing that
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: we have to realize is that we have many individuals
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: who are coming into this game who have a board
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: game background, with sen being these spots to go to
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: for board games and board game releases. I would argue
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: that that information I would expect to be able to
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: get out. But regardless we're here, we know that they
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: can foil. Well, if if I told you, if I'm
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: gig and I told you today a month before, we're
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: going to go ahead and have one box of foiled
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: propthetic vision, and you will be again the ticket system
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: that they've been using, that's how you're gonna get entry.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: You'll get one ticket and then for second amber you
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: get access points for more tickets. Would that entice anyone here?
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: So we can see, that's the question. Would that entice?
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Would it entice you just spend a lot of money.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that enticees anybody to spend that
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: amount of money because there's literally no way to recoup it.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: I think that's the thing. That's what I'm saying. Even
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: if they foiled it and made it fancy. We know
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: the secondary market for this game is sucks depressing, So like,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: unless you want it for yourself, there's not a lot
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: of push because even even with winning this VM twenty
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: five stuff and it's supposedly being the best at ever,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: not a single person it's picking me asking if I'm
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: gonna sell it, even though everybody knows that sold the
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: last stuff I had, Like, it's just not that hot.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, I have thirteen that's I've opened too. They
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: both were the identical. I think they are both seventy two's.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: Well, well we'll get there because that's actually I mean.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Where we're working on it.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: What give you decided we had to go through the
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: article you guys did last week.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, regardless, if we're looking, that does not entice you,
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: wookie sheep, It does not entice you. Drscore.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: So I mean so my immediate response around they shouldn't
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: do dra Iconic Visions really had nothing to do with
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: Am I enticed by there being a new set at
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: a Vault? I do think that's cool. I would be
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: excited about it. I was excited about it in Rochester
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: when I you know, did the pod got to play
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: it and got the ticket, got to play it whatever,
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: Like that was really cool. So yes, the the reason
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: I initially answered negatively is because I like that would
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: mean they're like who cares like even more so they'd
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: be like who cares about playtesting? Because I think that
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: is the biggest tallems I have right now is just like, like,
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: there's lots of cool ideas, right they got there's lots
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: of cards, lots of new cards out there, lots of
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: fun stuff, But how do you just tune it a
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: little more? I think is the thing that that they
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: need to spend more time on. And if they're printing
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: these things, that means they're they're not.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess I'm working more under FFG,
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: where they had a multiple year advance where they were
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: actually play testing and pushing No, I can't go through
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: here and we're not going to talk about playtesting kind
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: of what that bomb? The short answer is, if we're
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: talking about this, I think that if you just release
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: a set or it's just coming into people's hands, I
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: think that actually having the next set, which should be
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: about six months away, it's roughly the six month cycle,
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: it is a little bit less exciting, But I really
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: enjoyed what they had offered. I would like to have
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: something and so I don't know. I just I like
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: the idea of foiling it. I think that, yes, the
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: secondary market is not there, but it would be a
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: really cool momento sheep. I'm thinking about your deck collection
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: that you had brought to KFC, of all the unique decks,
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: and there's some pretty crazy keyboarge players out there who
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: would want to have the one off, the something that's
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: very unique or very special and when it's scarce. I
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: think that's something that GG could offer that would potentially entice.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: And maybe it only brings out here's one or two
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: or three extra people, but if it brings out one
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: or two or three extra people versus us having our
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: same numbers, I think that's a big win. Right now,
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: I do think that we have to communicate it, but
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: I think that would be a win and it's something
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: they could do.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: I actually think the amount of effort for that increase
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: is a payout.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Nope, it's not.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: I mean it is an increase, but I don't.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was an interesting thought process for what was there.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: I like the idea. We'll have to see.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: I agree they more interesting things at the vaults that
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: are consistent and people know about.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Sounds good to me, Kirkman. I mean you mean a
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: card that you can slide into your deck that's a
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: replacement for a card that's in there, that's foil, that
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: maybe has something cool on it that says I went
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: to this vault tour. Is something that would drive you
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: to go to vault to ours. I did not say that,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I said, did I say you? I said, Kirkman, Okay.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: He's in our discord following along, and yes, Wookie, you're
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: you had tried to do this, even for Roseville, and.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Well that guy that was a whole hullaballoon. Now I'm
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: trying to get it sent back from Minnesota where it's
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's I'm guessing it gets shipped out,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: and I'm waiting for it to come back from Minnesota
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: to hear because I had them overnighted and then they
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: didn't show up to the twenty first, So they were
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: supposed to be there on the seventeenth, and they showed
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: up on the twenty first, thanks United States Postal Service.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Overnight.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: That's not overnight, No, it is not overnight overnight. Yes,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: overnight adjacent well, I gotta get my money back from them,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: because yeah, it was guaranteed overnight or your money back,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: So I guess I'm getting my money back. And then
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: I had to call the hotel and we had to
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: find the package, and now they're sending it back to me.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: So hopefully I get them shortly. I should not have
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: put Roseville vault to or twenty twenty five on the bottom.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: I'll say I can give them out of Baltimore.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: It'll be awkward, but hey, if you did not see
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: the Roseville pins, some people ended up with pins from
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: different locations Las Vegas.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was hilarious. I did check mine. I got
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: the roads.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: I just got Roseville too. But you know, those are
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: little easter eggs, so you can have your in here
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: somewheres that because it was in here.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Somewhere, right, it wasn't here somewhere. Yeah. Yeah, So it
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: falls as I get them back up because I mean,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: they weren't number one, they weren't cheap, and number two
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: hopefully you know, it was an extra forty bucks to
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: get them shipped overnight. That didn't happen, so hopefully I
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: get them back.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that the idea is still very, very viable.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: I know that people are worried with an arc on deck,
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: but the short answer is we are deck checked all
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: the time. If you're subbing one card out for another,
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: they are sleeved, so we should not be able to
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: tell a difference. It is really not something to worry
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: about in a competitive scene, but it would make the
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: decks unique. It would show as a momento, and frankly,
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: you can print off quite a few more of them,
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: meaning that it would actually be something that's viable that
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: they could do anyway.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Weird, what are you now?
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Good, wikie? We've covered this, Yeah, we're we've covered it all.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: We can move on to Vault Master twenty twenty five,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: aka the set that will kill Key Forage.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: Or jml's favorite.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Oh set, Yeah no, we got that too. I mean,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Magic's been dying for thirty years, but Vault Master twenty
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: twenty five?
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Is it?
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: All right? So how many of you have played vault
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: Master twenty five?
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeap me no, no, all right, we got some
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: information and sheep do we dras court? You've done some work,
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: all right? Where do you guys want to start? Don't
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: all jump at it? And not so good okay, oh, come, okay,
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: we're not just going with big shots. Let's actually talk.
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: So here we go. So so I was taking a
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: look because I was I was looking at the set,
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: I was looking at the cards by house and starting
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: to think about, you know, okay, because because you know,
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: we saw we took a screenshot. However, many years ago
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: in the forum of what JML was posting around SaaS scores,
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: and he was highlighting in red for the evilness of
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: VM twenty five, showing that the the you know, the
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: high score situation is just so much worse. So the
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: percent of eighty plus when he first did this was
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: thirty nine point four percent versus thirty percent in GR,
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: So he's saying, hey, it's way way higher. Percent of
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: eighty five percent was twenty two point five versus fourteen
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: point nine and gr the percent of ninety plus was
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: twelve point nine percent versus four point four percent. So
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: he's like, it's bonkers, it's crazy.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: This is the worst.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: I did rerun these numbers a little bit, yes, now,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: five hundred and fifty VM twenty five decks.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and this was done with two hundred and forty
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: nine decks. So again, but I.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Don't know my I just used the thousand most recent
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: GR decks for my other numbers. Just just see. But
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: VM twenty five is down to nine point like eight
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: percent to get a ninety plus and when GR is
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: still right around that four and a half to five
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: percent mark. Okay, yep, so it is it is significantly higher. Yes,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: it is significantly higher chance to get a ninety. But
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: those of us who actually play competitive key forge, no,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: getting a ninety doesn't equal winning games.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: Yes, right on with quad binate rupture. That's not looking
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: so good right now?
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: How many I mean, how many ninety sas decks do
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: you guys own recently.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: That are good.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Versus don't really matter? Like I know, all my high
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: SAT stuff has come from newer sets.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or they're the ones.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: I've stolen from lookie yep, because he opens better than me.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: But they are still only one of them has can
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: do anything.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: They're all competitively meaningless.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Yep, right, it's just.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Ninety plus does not that the relationship is not as
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: strong as I think jam like claim it is, or
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: as people think it is. But on the other hand,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: I also do believe it's true that like most of
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: the decks at top end are over ninety. So until
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: you get over ninety, yes, it kind of doesn't matter anyways,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Like there are decks, there's a few eighties every once
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: in a while that that shine. But yes, you basically
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: do have to get over ninety before you're really starting
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: to think competitive. And then the fact is is that
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: it's one out of every ten of them are probably
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: actually good enough to do something with. Still puts VM,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: you know, twice as likely that you're going to potentially
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: pull on. Not that we've seen a top VM twenty
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: five deck.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I have an open all of mine.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: I definitely know there's a monster hidden in one of
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: those boxes.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: Looking at the top for Roseville with ARCon. Yeah, the
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: SaaS continues to climb. I know that we had two
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: mainyars one deck that came in eighty seven. But again,
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: these SaaS as a whole has shifted to who's making it.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: But yes, if we look at the cards, there has
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: been a power creep that is an increase. But yes,
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: the idea of what you were saying cheap is that
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: the amounts of nineties that we still have just by
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: having that score does not mean that it is playable
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: it's going to make a top eight. There's a lot
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: that are sitting but are frankly really bad.
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there is stuff in this though.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you want to talk about some of your
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: favorite stuff you're seeing then dress sure.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: So uh.
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: So I was just sort of clicking through the houses.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: One of them that jumped out at me was logos. So,
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: as we were saying before, right, we haven't seen logos
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: in quite a while. If you look at the Roseville results,
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: there's been there wasn't a lot of logos coming through.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: But when you look at at this set, let me
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: just read a few of the commons that are are
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: in logos and just think about all these getting together. Right,
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: You got ed I, you got left logica, igor, phase shift, Archimedes,
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: got articulator, wren, you got the arm folder Sliderkin's decent
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: you you have the eph to to give you some
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: nice control. Like that's a pretty solid common set of cards. Yes,
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: and then and if you keep going, you just say, okay,
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: well what do we got? What do we got in
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: uh in uncommon? What do we got in in rare?
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: There's some great things to back it up. Right, So
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: you do have the brig although it is a little
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: bit of a problem to have the binate rupture. That's annoying, right.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: Well, coming in at common, we're seeing so many multiples.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: When there are only eight commons in the set. Yeah, yeah,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: way too many binates.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: It should it should have been it should have been
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: limited to at max two one one. I mean, I'm
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: really at one too, but it should have had a
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: limiting factor. Seeing this at this one on one SaaS
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: deck and t Okay, it's pretty funny from Kirkman with
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: four binate ruptures.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: Like you also have Eureka awesome card. Uh. Now you
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: have Chronos but I don't. There's not a lot of
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: pips in this set, so maybe Colonels isn't as exciting
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: as it used to be. But you do have the
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: Quantum Compass that's awesome. You have the BDq really nice.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: The honor list, the the the rare list is really good. Uh,
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: de Sonia Time Traveler Honors, pises zenzis Enziic. You've got
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: the Nautilus Knowledge is Power. That's a pretty strong lineup, right.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: That's Stills upgrades though, yes.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: Those pretty decent upgrades. I still but maybe maybe I should.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: Say that, But.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: I mean I gos, I gors, I gs Lethoalogica. I
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: actually am not thrilled by Lethoalogica in this particular set,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: really partially because, as you're saying, there are not a
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: lot of drop its, so you're not gonna do monstrous
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: things with your kronos. And when you play leth Logica,
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: you flip your other houses down. And I actually think
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: the other houses are looking better. There are some other
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: This house is fine, like, you know, I want Eddie's
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: and I gs right like because they you know, Eddie
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: sets up your other houses, I g sets up your
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: other or ig is just a good thing. You'd be
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: happy to have time travelers in Disania's face shifts are
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: always fine.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: I will say, while you listed the comments that you
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: want to see, it still does have bat drone, it
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: still has Ganymede archivis like these are not great.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: I actually think Archimedes is not a great although there's
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Archimedes BDq. Yeah that's okay.
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and face shift you got, you got lots of options.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at the aquadon.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Quant some compass at uncommon I think is really good too.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, equodon Is ever grows are great.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: There I mean you have market fluctuation. Well, that's that's
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: that's another.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: This is another one where you look at the commons
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: and you end up with multiple copies of the escalation
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: which this is a set with less board wipe so
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: it's place, get it. And then a bunch of auction
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: offs and a bunch like you look at the commons.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: You get they're not They're not good.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you yeah, they're not winning games.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: You have auction off closed door negotiation real good.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: Limit limited, isn't it? No?
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: I got a double closed door, but no closed door
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: negotiation not good? Now often not good closed door negotiation
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: is garbage. You really want to just push your opponent
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: into a key abduction.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: Closed door negotiation without the corner of the market to
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: shut him down for the turn?
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Is that's not?
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: Is not an ARCon car Yes, because most are contacts
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: are getting better value than one amber for card these days.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and not only that, Like, okay, so I destroyed
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: your whole Mars board. Uh now I just let you.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: I just push you into key abduction, which is a
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: very meta card at the current time.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: No closed stor is your opponent draws a card steal
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: one if you do and your opponent still has more
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: amber than repeat, but you're giving us.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: I'm giving him a card every time I kill a creature.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: No, no, this doesn't kill creatures. It steals amber.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Oh sorry yeah, sorry, I n thing. But either way,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: you're still giving them cards.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, same with the escalation. You're yes giving them cards.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: The escalation is still fine. Like this this set, the
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: little bit i've played it. I was worried about the
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: c in it, but I've run some stats which we
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: will look at in a bit. The sea isn't as
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: bad as I thought, but it's really clumpy.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: So other comments that you see in Equadon, since we're
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: talking there, Ledgermaine, gem coat vendor historian Lee Lark Lead. Yeah,
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: when you're when iron handy iron but this is this
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: is where you correct iron handy. You also have uh,
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: Stuart Suzy, and then you have security detail. So those
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: are those are the cards that you're kind of like.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: The thing is Ledgermaine and Stewart at least come with pips,
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: like they both pip up your deck like bad yep,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: but I am not not in love with that. Actually,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: when I was looking, I thought the average value of
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: a common geystoid card was pretty high.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about it.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: The next one is shouts shadows sort are you looking
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: at well? Okay, I don't know. Okay, we can go
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: again alphabetical whatever I'm going in d Okay, just down
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: down the list. But that's fine.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: I'm over on.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Geist. I doesn't look terrible, right, you got atomic destabilizer,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Echo Fly. I'm trying to look for the commons, get boo,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: Ectollo de Parabyte, Reaper, Yeah, all all these pretty person
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: phone Who decided to bring that card back?
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: That's rare, that's rare, I know.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: But who decided that was a good addition?
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Whoever thought it should go into like Menagerie or whatever?
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Stupidness Grim Reaper and Webster. So here's the interesting thing.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Reaper common limit one. And there was another one in
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: here that we said, the Ecto Church common limit one.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: There are so there are eight comments, but two of
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: them are limited one, which is why we are seeing
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: quite a lot of three and four be our geists.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: And are there twelve comments?
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: Basically portal guardians and portal guardians of common too.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah whatever, but there's with less comments instead of sixty,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: there's twelve, you know, like you're just the and two
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: of them in this house being fixed rarity ones means
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: you're just not gonna see a lot of them.
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't have either here somewhere or the junk restoration.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Or the junk restoration. But also thankfully like haunted and
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: is gone or whatever, the house now haunted, the haunted deck.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: Haunting haunting deck.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Like your your actions in here are c all hands,
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: like yeah, you know, and then that none of them,
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Like your worst card is Portal Guardian because it doesn't
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: do anything on land.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: Reaver comes with the pips. It comes with the pips,
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: but like Webster for Taunt maybe yeah.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Like those are your worst cars and both of those
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: are functional. It's actually where without the in here Somewhere
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: is in junks and you look at the rest of
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: the house, it does actually start to lose some of
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: its lust.
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: But still pretty solid list.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Pretty solid list of commons.
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and the if you go up up market, good stuff.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: So what what else do you want to look at next?
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: You've got for you've got well memory back right, Yeah,
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: well I've got Echo Fly, you got veil Atomics, a stabilizer. Yeah,
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: there's not a lot of chaps but gystoids is back
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: strong feeling. Yeah, but no crap raise, no crap rais
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: you do have to deal with the banshee suit and
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: the thrill adapter, right, no, no wins of death and
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: you got precious fragments.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Thanks precious fragments.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah you still have you still have some really bad ars.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Thanks pressure.
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: But that you know, that's yeah whatever.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: Ruined? Yeah yeah, but with the smaller pool in a
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: focus more on commons, like you're in a good spot
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: there overall.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, going back to logos brig end EP or yeah,
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: finate eruption and EP and a second with twelve commons
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: is brutal. Getting lots of copies of those is bad.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: I'm actually looking at Okay, so I went to Mars.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Mars is an next right, Mars is bad? Mars pretty good?
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: Ish?
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Well common, go ahead, go ahead? Well, okay, first thing
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: I noticed. I know it's uncommon, but battle Fleet is
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: here and so is key abduction. Whoever made that decision?
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: What what?
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: That's what we want?
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: I love it, But at the same time, that's what
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: everyone's bitching about, and so we're doing it again.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: Abduction.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: Look at what? Look at what your comments are? So
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: your comments for Mars Collector, Worm, Crimson, Dax Kaboom, Mars First,
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: Minor Elders, Mother Gun Mix, the Tall Minded Scoop Up Snix,
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: the bowld Uh, mug mouth Yend, the Links, the six Bolter,
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: and the six Dominator.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: So it's actually teen commons.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: The comments aren't terrible?
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Are there thirteen commons here? I don't know. Is Mind
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: your Elders actually a linked rarity card?
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. That was from the Martian Civil War.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: That the Martian Civil War, So.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: That, okay. A couple of things with the set that
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: I think they actually did miss on is this is
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: the first place that there are Mars cards from Martian
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: rebels that are playable in the competitive scene, and they're
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: limited access. I think that was a miss on a
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: limited access set to be the only place you can
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: get a Mind your Elders in play.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that that to me feels like correct.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: But but there are a couple of other cards from
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: the Mars thing that is the first place they're they're competitive,
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: and it's weirdly limited. I mean, like Mars is Mars
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: First or bust Kaboom is another critical common because there's
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: only like two common board wipes ones kaboo.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: I mean not a command is here, right, and that's
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: and that is hypnotic command is very even though it's okay,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: I love hypnotic command. You can want okay, Stroy, the
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: ball is here. Yep, that was the next one. I
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: was going to look.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: Atopps in set scoop up super strong scoop is very
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: very good. I mean, so scoop ups Mars first with
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: any Mars creatures, battle fleets, and key abductions. That alone
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: is enough to make.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: A crazy Mars and brainstem antenna, even though it's rare
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: with with a set the small you know you couldn't
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: get that's a.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: That's another like edge case neat card.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: But not well but has the possibility to do some things.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: Memorrocks the red is here, yes, right, so I mean
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: he can action maybe a few times MS to do
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: some stuff.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, I actually think that brainstem and compod are important.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: With the common pool.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: Important, it will never be important. Every once in a
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: while we'll do a thing.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: It's slow, but it can ready your creatures and you're
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: gonna need to be able to do something that's there. Again,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: it's something, but.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: You need to be able to make it go faster,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: just like you and the Power Rangers. Why are the
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: Power Rangers back? Who wanted those back?
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Luke Gross?
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: So I mean like I thinks there, I think zoo
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: keeper are there.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: Looking at what's available and logos? What's available in mars
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Ah because there's destroyed them all, that's a critical card
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: and uh because there's no but there's destroyed them all.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: And then there is still orbita blembardments.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: In set Shatterstone when you talk about Shatterstorne.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's in the list of sort of scaling number.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: But and then the logos is still fine, and then
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: the shadows is best shadows ever? Maybe what's what's mass?
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: But I'm saying like fraud plus ten could be in
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: this set, yes, like everything that's good in fraud except
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: library access the library card.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: Library card good.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: But library access isn't critical to fraud either, like it's
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: just a card. It is potential. So now I'm on
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: the shop for fraud plus ten. It's not plus one
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: like it could be plus ten with the set anyways, Okay,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: sorry sorry and would technically be nextright, So Historian on
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: the Commons is fine, but it's when you get into
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: the on commons.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: Coms, Okay, Commons, I'll read it through Citizen Shricks, Octavia,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: Big Poem, epic Poem, Faust, Laposaurus, Odoac Paling to Significance, Golden.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: Spiral, good tribute and.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: And comes back with what's going to be there for
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: some uncommon tribute and.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: A set that's got most of temper and exile.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: Again and the ideal right and yeah, and the and.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: The ideals back and Golden Spiral with some of the well,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: you can see that one of those things that Dave does,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: it's Golden Spiral reaver yep because then like the hammer
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: that you're putting on the river just goes away and
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: you're turning cards so you could stay in Sourian forever.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: Imperial Forge is also.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: Their Imperial Forge super real in this set because there
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: is a lot of capture.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: Cross the sours to capture, I think, to be able
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: to I think epic poem, to be able to bust
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: on the.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: You can crass epic followed by exiling or or sem
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: it sometimes yeah, like the the bursty stupidness and sour
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: and is real high what it and it packs is
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: in set, yes, but things that are missing is axiom
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: and that is actually a critical missing there there is
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: no that, and the failing strike also missing.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: And also here no failing strike is here, yes, and for.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: Here stomp is here. So like this, this is a
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: house where the sea can be bad.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: You also protiate, but rare now, but you do get
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: to choose.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: It's not great, but I think with all of the
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: capture and ability to bust up with the Saurian cleiger
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: ideal is really important. Like this is again another solid
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: card to be able to have practices there. I'm not
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: personally seen bractice, but no scrot them.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: But you do have Luto.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have Luto on common as a common and
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: again this twelve common sect, there's a lot of lootos.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or our hisso is back to I do love
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: me some hisso with Phil? Yeah Phil is Phil, that
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Bill do work? Not a regret of just to throw
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: a kink in your to throw a kick and everything.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: Incredible meteor why.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: Not mm hmm, meaning well car for the most part.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Greatest, the greatest hips for Saurian regrettable meteor just throw
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: it in there.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just sad here because if you look at
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: the houses, the house makeup does not have large creatures.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: There's no brovnar that's in your like and so it
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: just maybe if you're playing a mirror with another Sarian
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: and you start by hitting it and then playing you're Sorian,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: but it's just it's.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: Not your exile.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, you're gonna have to find those
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: combos again. That's six semper that you know, that's six
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Sumper combo, the.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: Sorry combos real, Okay, shadows you want to talk about shadows? Shadows,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: shadows shadows. Comments are back to what shadows. Commons are.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: They're either like yes or no, oh no, because you've
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: got a's and jay Ven does, you've got shoulderids, you
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: got seeker needles.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: Run, Ronnie back old old favorite right and then Hugger
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: mugger right and Hugger mugger.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: Those are those are the bad ones back both fine
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: hit and runs Fine Nerve Blast is back Life for Life.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: There is Brends in the set TMTPS. Mercans like Mercans
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: do Marcan things. I love merchants.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're bouncing out of the commons.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: I am bouncing out of the comments. I'm just scrolling down.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: But yeah, vandam so your comments are the two vendas bonitting,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: hit and run, Hugger, mugger, life for life, miasma which
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: wasn't talked about, nerve blast, Ronnie Seeker, needle shoulder, and
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: then vandalize.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: So so there things that master plan is in set.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: That's always a very strong card. TMTP right, like you're
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: seeing a lot of TMTP Ronnie, TMT bon.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: Knitting, TMTV nerve blasts.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So like TMTP is super live in this at
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: which makes autoact all that much more important. But isn't
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: that stupid other giant dinosaur that turns steel in the
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: capture and set.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: Too says you can't well you can't cap, you cannot
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: steal if he has no he's there, gant Garganai is back, that.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: Would be yeah, yes, because Gregantadon is ganon only deals
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: four when fighting each amber that would be stolen as
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: captured by a creature controlled by the active player instead
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: at sixteen power is important here.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: Because the anti inset, the anti steel is there. Yes,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: I'm almost surprised that, and maybe it is up there
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: the logos anti steel upgrade.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: But who knows?
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: And then what so shadows super real on the set.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: With well it has a chain gang and and uh
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: chainking and subtle chain can be a thing if it's
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: got I don't know if it's got enough speed to
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: loop that. But this set has TMTP and ig and
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: miasma in it, right, so it's like white. They love
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: to see bounce, especially when.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: Key cost increase in Eddie, so you can definitely like,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: I think the tmtps are going to hit hard with
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: this set.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: I actually in set playing VM twenty five to twenty five,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: I actually like Mole against the Saurian and it's just
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: a card that you don't see a ton of, but
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: it allows you if they have large amber on or
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: a large stack stockpile and amber pinata, you place Mole
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: and actually utilize it.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: So now their plan is an interesting card in this set.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's the oh you said that. Yeah, that was
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: a good one. I just I didn't very interesting with
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: the omniability to play the card beneath it. You know
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: a little bit of house cheating which didn't really come
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: up and code.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: It, a little bit of fish empty.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so what about fish our fish next? Do we
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: not have starlants in the set.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: There's some good stuff.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: But no, but is it I'm not.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: The twelve. Let's go through your twelve commons. That's where
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: we're at a busal site okay, y, yes, I'm there,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: adult swim okay, yeah, bubbles okay, brain brain drain.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: M okay, I'm not too good on brain d.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: Okay, little capture echoing death now, corky germinator no thanks, yeah,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: mailstrom no memal leitch m m.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: There like my And here's also the crab, which is
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: just not as good.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's skull back crab, tangi mangi okay, trawler, Yes,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: you're twelve.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: Look at all again. Look at how much amber control
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: is in the comments here one, two, three, four, five, six, five,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: five of these cards are Amber controlled.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: It's just it's just missing befuddled. It's really missing befuddled.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I also like a bysal site still
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: very strong, right, don't get the biz site very strong,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: But in a set that doesn't have destroyed effects stuff
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: and tokens, it hurts a lot more to play that card.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: Like dark Discovery and dive deep that that whole sets
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: back in here and you do do you have the
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: illusions of grandeur? Yeah? You do looking, you know, it's
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: not what I'm looking for.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: If you look at the uncommons and the rares, this
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: is where it gets the cards that jump out from
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: me at the uncommon and rare illusions, Grandeur, catch and
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: release column, Corrode just because it's a little bit of
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: artifact control.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: But Coup is kind of not great without Brio. I mean,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: it's fine, it's strong, it's strong strong.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: Also has one of the highest creature protection scores out there,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: so is very real.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah. In here you have gate Watcher with your taunt
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: in Unfathomable.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: Though, plus Omni Pies and then yes, so.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: That was I'm just scrolling down, but those are the
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: only two that I'm seeing. Whirlpool coming back for those
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: who love Whirlpool, but like, you don't.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: Mean the one person that likes Whirlpool.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: Just three. So yeah, the the Dirge of the Deep
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: is in here with Dark Discovery. That's another one that
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: really helps you fire that the really make game state confusing.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: General Sherman is back. Yeah, so that that one's interesting.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Bunch is just junk now, Yeah, Faz is back.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: Thinging from the Deep, which is not great is back.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: Under Pressure is back, like then there's Tanny wah Is back. Yeah,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: somebody needs a foot right in there. It was like
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: we made fun of that card for being bad. Well,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: I guess Tanawi isn't that bad because he doesn't.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: It's the it's still that doesn't destroy a friendly creature
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: in game one.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: But it's not the one that requires you to exhaust
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: you guys to play him. It was that version of
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: junk Giant fish.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: Man and I know freaking redemptions in the setol Sybil.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: Waymaer is back and that card does weird things.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that is a weird one.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: That Yeah, that's just af there's one that lets you
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: like put cards on the bottom or top of your deck.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, yeah no, that was what I thought was
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: Illusions of Grandeur. It's not. I forgot what one it is,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: but yeah, there's.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: Guilt Spine Mesmerist after player ready as a card, discard
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: the top card of their deck, scrap discard the top
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: three cards of a player's deck.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: But like I opened mind the other day and it
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: had fish and all it had was gate Watchers and
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: Hoctua ice fins.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: I heard I heard speed sigle, right, speed siggle being around.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: That's that's a card pretty much.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So all right, so we touched on
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: our favorite cards. I spent a few minutes putting together
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: the some averages of So I have all five hundred
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: and fifty VM decks, I sent you guys the link
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: gr amber skies, and for the joke of it, I
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: put in all fifteen hundred Discovery decks. Oh boy, So,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: as we said earlier, average sass VM leads that with
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: seventy seven to seven, and then grs at seventy six
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: as is seventy two. Discovery is sixty seven. Big huge job.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: But here's where some of the big ones synergy ratings.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: Now these are all decks of key Forde stats. But
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: the synergy rating in VM twenty five is eighteen, and
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: then the next HIZT is gr AT fourteen. So like
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: they made the like VM twenty five looks a little
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: bit to me, like he like they went, let's take
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: the greatest hits of AOA and CODA and stick them
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: back in the set, right, And then they went and
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: then the greatest hits of Worlds Glide Story, and uh,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: they missed the greatest hits of fish right, there's no funnel,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: like they kind of took each house and they they
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: did menagerie where they're like, let's just put the greatest
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: hits in. So like the synergy rating really high and
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: the anti synergy rating is also pretty low.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: So that's that's interesting. And here's the next stat am troll.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: When you're looking at anti synerdry it's interesting one for
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: VM twenty five one point one for GR it's actually
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: Amber Skies is showing up at six tenths, and then
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: Discovery at Yeah, because.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: When all the cards suck, they can't all have ant
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: they don't have any anti.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: So but Discovery with its one point four it's an
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: anti synergistic set. It is there a new players have
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: a bunch of crap that doesn't work together. Have fun. Yeah, okay,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: so Amber Control Okay, I don't know if you guys.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: Are you guys actually looking at the numbers.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, JR yep, yep.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, So this is like the big difference. GR actually
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: had an Amber Control score that came in just under nine,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: and then AS is just over ten, and then it
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: jumps to fourteen three when you go to VM and
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: this is an average. So like VM decks, we've seen
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: them already. These VM decks that are in like the
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: twenty five to thirty range for amber control. The amber
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: control in VM is crazy. It has four or five
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: real scaling amber control cards. And this is where I
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: wish we had the count system put together that Z
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: had done, because it used to count how many amber
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: control cards that were uncommon, uncommon and rare because it
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: is high. Right there were five in fish there are
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: like six out of the eight in and shadows were
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: amber control cards, two or three in Saran where amber
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: control cards at least two in logos were amber control cards.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: Like every house there are multiple amber control cards on
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: the common cards. So this set is a significant step
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: up in amber control.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: So that's.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: That.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it seems crazy. It's that much higher,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: Like from what when the sets have been averaging nines
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: and tens to jump up to fourteen, is that a
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: big big step up expected amber? It's lowest out of
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: everything outside of discovery, but it's close like twenty one
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: mid twenty one's to high twenty twenty point eight to
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: twenty one three and twenty one four. Not a huge change.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: And then again the creature protection number and that stead
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: is based off of war words, taunts and things that
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: make it so creatures can't be fought and killed. And
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: this set is one point twenty six versus the point
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: eight and point nine for grn AS, So like, your
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: ability to protect key creatures from this is really hot?
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: Are there? When we were going through there there were
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: like philosopher sources and strong grief creatures, so it could
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: be really good. Has artifact control right in line with
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: many of the other sets. Creature Controlled actually came out
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: in between GR and AS, so I thought it was
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: going to be low. It has an average of about twelve.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: GR has thirteen, AS has eleven point six. They all
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: have a standard deviation in the five range, so you know,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: like really, when you look at a VM you're talking about,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: you're going to have a creature control score between six
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: and fifteen seventeen.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: And that's interesting because Dras had listed the board clears here,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: so catch and release generally.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: That's that's what I do.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: Mailstrom, Kaboom, Strange Gizmo returned to rubble, and then the
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: ad tertiates sleep with the fishes you'd thrown in Echoing Death. Now, yeah,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: those are the I know and wipe regrettable meteor and
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: then bouncing death Quark. So I mean that.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: It still doesn't feel like there's a lot to me,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: but with Kaboom and de escalation on common. But you know,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: those are only two houses.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: We don't have a ton of targeted creature removal.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: Though, doesn't feel like a lot. And when I was playing,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: it also didn't feel like a lot, Like the sea
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: just didn't feel really strong for me in the set. Yeah,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: anything else so interesting things to me? Discovery has has
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: the lowest creature control at under ten, also has the
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: highest average creature count of a deck. So it's here's
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: a lot of creatures with a lot of protection and
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: no way to kill them.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: Yep, so it really down.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but what it really turns Discovery into is it
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: makes Sanctum good, right because it's like there's a bunch
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: of trashy creatures who actually survive and can kill the
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: little creatures and then out of set they're really bad
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: because board wifes just clean them. And the effective power
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: in VM twenty five against super low sixty six point
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: six versus seventy two and seventy three for gRNAs.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 4: Like not, it doesn't matter that much.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of effective power, but a lot of
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: protections so you can keep the little creatures alive easier hopefully.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: And then I in efficiency, I'm pretty I don't know.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: Does d okay not make house pimps count towards efficiency?
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: That comes in low? And interestingly, Discovery, out of these
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: four sets does have the highest efficiency average, really because
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: the logos is that good in Discovery.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: And then I didn't get a chance to sort the list.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: But the other really interesting stat in VM twenty five
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: is disruption. Disruption in GR was twenty five, and as
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: it's two point eight, go figure disruption in discovery is
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: one point four because you know that's can't have that.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: But the disruption in VM twenty five is four point
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: one six, like not quite double, but sixty percent higher whatever.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: Then the next one and there's no befuddles, there's no
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: control of the weeks, just wondering what creates all. I
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: guess there are subtle chains, yeah, there were. There was
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: a lot of disruption in fish.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, that's I don't know, site with the bubbles the
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: brain drain, yeah, can we I'm assuming adult swim would
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: also by putting it back on the top of your strack,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: so that would be there catch and release falling into that.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: Even the shadows, Yeah, Mailstrom, I'm trying to think of
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: shadows should have had the same with the return. Oh,
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: it was vandalized, lights out, vandalized. You had a couple
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: of things that are jumping out.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: What else is there that's interesting? Upgrade count is less
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: than one in VM twenty five.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there are one, A, one.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: Three, and over two in Discovery. You get your upgrades
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: in Discovery. Oh no. And then Discovery also comes in
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: at the lowest for bonus amber in a deck because
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: it's all crappy creatures though so bad and there are
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: no there are no discard pips in Discovery.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: That's not a yeah, but it does have the most.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: It does have the most bonus draw and bonus damage
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: pips of any of these sets. Draws interesting, it draws fun.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: I guess that's part of what makes it such an
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: efficient set. I would guess, m he cheat counts fine.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: Archive v twenty five also out of these sets, is
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: leading the archive charge.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: Eddie archimedies.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: Uh eureka hide. Yeah. The logos, the logos, the logos,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: and then.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: An interesting stat that I didn't even know is in
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: here total armor, So the total armor and VM twenty five,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: which does not have sanctum, is five point five.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, which then which.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: GR has two point five, which also didn't have sanctum,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: but as that does is at four point two, and
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: then good old, good old Discovery is actually in the
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: charge at almost five point six. So we have a
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: ton of creatures with no creature control and a boatload
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: of armor. Mm hm oh VM twenty five Discovery. So
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: VM twenty five, it doesn't like it really leads significantly
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: in amber control and of the recent set's archiving. But
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: with all the archive ete that may not actually be.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: Great.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Like when I was playing my few
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: games i've played, it feels like good coda AOA, but
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: it's not good enough on average to deal with the
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: speed that VM or the speed that GR seems to
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: win with, or amber Sky's disruption and duty. I don't know.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: But I've only played four decks, so what.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: Do I know.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've not played that much.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: But I mean the two I got have crazy, I
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: got I got one that's got what quad arcons call back?
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: You can't you can't take the ten decks we've opened,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: because we have the stats here to say that. Like,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: and the one, the one I opened right, I played
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: and I went to one with and got greedy and
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: didn't get the TMTP was a It had eddies, it
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: had tmtps, it had I did not have Ronnie's. I
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: think I had tmtps and I had bone nittings and
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: nerve blasts and stuff. And then I did have Tribute
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: Exile in that deck and a Philly and plenty of
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: decent stuff, Like the deck is eighty something and it's yeah,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: it's definitely good. I guess it was good for opening
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: and played in a sealed round and now I just
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: don't ever care about it ever. Again, nothing in it's
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: good enough to even think about playing an Alliance like
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: I do think. I mean, I there are no triple
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: battle Fleet decks printed in the set yet, but there
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: is a double battle Fleet double key Abduction deck, and
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: there is certainly the ability for logos to stack you
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: up a giant hand, So an improved version of the
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: Alliance deck Wikie put Away, or an improved version of
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: fraud like those kinds of things I do believe can exist.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: And that is still a functional arch type in this environment.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: So I do actually think there is the potential for
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: a V twenty five deck to be vault to her
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: winning good for sure.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: There is.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: There's enough great cards here.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: Well, there is a why am I drawing a blanket?
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: What these are called anomaly too? In this set? Is
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: or not?
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a bunch of anomalies in the SAT ones.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: There's actually fourteen of them.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: There's fourteen anomalies.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I actually had pulled that up and threw
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: that in. And some of them are repeats ghost Form, Infomancer, Yeah,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: Lateral Shift, Memoith Music, the Forgotten, and then Timequake. But
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: there are quite a few new ones as well, which
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: brings some interesting flare.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so oh my, and.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: So we should talk about these ones?
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if a lot of these are
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: in PV. Are they all in TV?
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Why don't we talk about that next week?
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: We can talk about that next week because we have
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: help from futures or help from another self, help from
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: another from another ranger.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 4: All right, So what I was already debating my list here,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: But what do you guys think the ordering of houses
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: best the worst for this set?
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: Is it would appear to me. Well, it depends, right,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: like if you're just playing flat out fair. Yeah, now
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: they're at the yeah so bottom, they're they're number seven.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: Number six is fish m hm yep, agreed. Number five.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: Mars.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: I want to say Mars, but also have the potential
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: to like blow up. But yeah.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 4: One amazing Mars.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: But Mars like in opening and sealed. I'm I'm going
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: from a sealed perspective.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, same here, So Mars. I think Mars will
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: be the house Mars at five.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: Logos set four. This is where started debating. I did
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 4: not put logos at four.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: Now logo logos could be higher too, though.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: So now I put it gid, I've stuff, but it
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: is missing the two no junk, no in here Yeah fine,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: yeah fine stated at four you talked me into it
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: because you had no junk, no no in here somewhere.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: Because it it comes down to, I think you want
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: logo shadow sorian.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you do, and I had Sorry in it. Three.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: I think I think Sorry way higher. I think I
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: think it's one either one or two. Okay, I think
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: that I think it has your amber burst. I think
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: it has well, it also has a lot of your
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: control and able to do the ability to.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: It has everything except really good c Yeah this sept
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: does and we didn't even say it because we don't
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: think about this set. Does have didn see Rex Golden
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: Spiral again.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true, that's true.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: With louds like this is this is like, this is
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: like the greatest hits outside of They didn't put in
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: our six to one dinosaur what's his name? The six
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: one six one play after fight capture?
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 4: Oh oh oh yes, uh.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: Yes, really good card.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, he's a good card too. They did put Optial
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: gorcass in though, so they're some junk.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: Well that explains why none of my decks have coming out,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: because I've gotten fishing both the mine both mines that
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: I opened.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: I would have given up Octavia to have thorough Centurion.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: There you go there after fight capture two yep, yep, yep.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 4: The logos at two and shadows at one is what
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: I did.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think logos is I want to say,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: logos is a three shadows to sorry in one logo
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, they turned cards, but like I mean that's
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: a role player.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: I think I don't think one, two and three matter.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: I think for me, we all have the same top three.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: I will argue that's there. For me, it's sorry in one,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: logos two and then shadows three, But that's just where
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: it is. I think they're all there. I I do
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: think that there's some aspects of geistoy that can easily
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: be slopped in there, yep. But I think one and
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: three are pretty straightforward. Yeah, I think you're sad to
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: see others.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: Shadows shadows once again on the standard commons. So for
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: from the if your opponent doesn't make amber, your shadows
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: cards are bad, right, And that's the thing that happens
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: with shadows is like if your opponent doesn't make amber,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: or if they're good at key cheating, shadows can all
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: of a sudden just not do anything in your deck.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: So I still think that's why you don't see a
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: ton of shadows at top end alliance. I mean, it
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: can be good, for sure, but at the same time,
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: it also like sometimes they just don't make amber and
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: then you have a handful of shadows and you have
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: to turn them for nothing where like the story and stuff,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: even if you aren't capturing a bunch, you're still doing
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: other stuff. So I just That's where I get stuck
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: in Shadow sometimes is sometimes people just aren't making amber.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 4: That's fair, that's fair, I'll I'll buy that.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: Or they have a board and they're making amber faster
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: than you can steal with the Shadows, and Shadows doesn't
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: have enough sea. It's another place where Shadows loses games
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: right where it's just like, yeah, I can keep you
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: off key this turn, but then you just reap for
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: something again next turn, and one of your creatures is
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: capturing two when he does it, So I am not
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: going to forge and I'm going to lose this game.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: Like that kind of stuff happens with Shadows. I feel
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: too often for me to love it as much as
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: we did back in the Code to Day, where you know,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: boards didn't win.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: I was kind of wondering, like, with key sheets being
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: so relevant, that's how most games are being won, is
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: key sheets.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: I agree it is they are less logo or Shadows
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: is less good in the world full.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: Of key cheeks yep, and there's more in the set.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: And I like, I really think the like and I
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: think JR was doing that to me. You the Imperial Forge,
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: like the Imperial Forge is super real in this set.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well that what's really actually tricky on that is
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: Imperial Forge and then Mamet so it just gets played
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: again where it's like, oh no, you're on a time clock, correct,
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: That is where the geist aid is brutal, so watch
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: for it.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: Sure, yeap? So okay, all right, so we mostly agreed
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: on something. Good job, guys, Yeah, we agreed.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: So we'll be going over anomaly Is next week because
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: some of these are pretty interesting. Absolutely, I don't know
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: if any of them are are big winners. Maybe some
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: of them. I mean, Lateral Shift is always a big winner,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: but that's old news. That's old. Yeah, But I guess
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: the big question is is Vault Master's twenty five the
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: boogeyman that JM claims it to be.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: Come fighting?
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, I agree with Jam's thing that it isn't
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: increasing attendance significantly at Vault tours. Well, nothing right, And
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: that's the thing is, I don't I don't outside of him, well,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think most of the players who
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: have quit because of something like VM, we're already quitting.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: We're already quitting.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: Anything was going to make them quit anyway, They.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: Were already on the way out. You know they're quitting
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: because you know the decks they had are no longer,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: you know, like, yeah, the lie that is everything is
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: good forever, which is both true and a lie because
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: it's not good enough anymore. And when we start talking
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: about PV and some of the Reep strengthen the cards there,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: that continues to seem to be the truth. Your old
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: cards are not good enough outside of like the six
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: that are good enough to keep getting reprinted.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: However, you can still play them. They're evergreen. You can
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: play them forever. You can lose with them forever, yep,
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: but you're going to have to buy some new shit
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: if you want to be competitive. Welcome to tcg's Yeah,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: the land we all live in. Even even even Sheep
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: felt Fraud wasn't good enough.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 4: Mind still but still the coolest deck in key Forge. Though,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 4: the coolest deck in key Forge, one.
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  Speaker 2: Of the most Vault compete it in all of the worlds.
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  Speaker 1: It does have a it does have a storied history, indeed,
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: but I don't think Vault Master twenty five is the
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: boogeyman that he claims it to be. And I don't
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: feel like giving it out at Vault Tours is as
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: big a deal as he wants it to be.
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  Speaker 2: Well, of course, none of us like it is because
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: we get to go to Vault Tours.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: Well this is true, but I mean, but yeah, I it.
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  Speaker 2: I you know, like, if if we could show proof
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: that the investment in making the actually cost us more
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: store level op, I would be right over there jam
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: saying like murder the VM. But I don't believe those
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: two things are meaningful linked in that way because the
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: way they silo junk over at Ghost Galaxy. It may
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: be run like a small company, but I don't those
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: kinds of things are being done by different people that
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: don't cross paths with their other duties.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, alrighty well, with that being said, I suppose we'll
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: see y'all next week.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: Gust me huh, all right, Glorge be with you, happy
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  Speaker 3: foraging everyone by.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: Capsule gas a greeba lad, thank you bang an kill something, Just.
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  Speaker 3: Get us all a good agree.
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  Speaker 1: Ball on lad, thank you bang a kill something.
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  Speaker 4: Just get us alf a good greateful on tagon as
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  Speaker 2: Bgons begonnas bgonness