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THROWBACK: All Hallow's Eve Murders! 💀 · Cosmic Peach

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  Speaker 1: Baby, I'm a gainster too. It takes a little tangle.
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  You don't want mess with me?
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  Speaker 3: Don't fuck with me, fellas.
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  Speaker 2: This ain't my first time at the rodeos.
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  Speaker 3: I can't see the face up to the facts. I'm tensing, nervous,
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  and up kind of lines. I can't sleep because my
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  bets on Pune God a real live wire Psycho Killer, Cascas.
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  Speaker 1: Run One Run Run Ron.
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  Speaker 3: Psycho Killer.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, we're keeping the gamboe rolling with this next episode,
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  Jonathan and Jacob from the Cult of Conspiracy join me
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  for a swapcast today on All Hallow's Eve Murders. I
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  will be presenting some interesting research I've found surrounding some
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  of the most unknown and ritualistic murders that have went
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  down on Halloween. We all know the slashers like Freddie
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  Fucking Krueger and Michael Myers, But what if the real
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  life Boogeymen are more deadly, deranged and depraved than the
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  made up monsters on screen? That's what we will be
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  discussing in today's episode. I've included a link in the
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  show notes where you can go to find more from
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  the Cult of Conspiracy, but without further ado, Buckle up,
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  You're in for a bumpy ride. Let's go.
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  Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Cult of Conspiracy and my name's Jonathan Jake,
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  and today we have back guys, mc peach, Julia, Welcome
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  to the show.
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  Speaker 1: Fam fanfamfab returning Jams. Yes, this is going to be
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  a swapcast. My listeners already know what it is. We're
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  besties at this point and I just enjoy doing episodes
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  with you guys. I'm kicking off what I'm calling the
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  twenty twenty three Ghost Jamboree, okay for October, and so
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  I wanted to talk to you guys tonight about some
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  kind of occulted murders that happened on Halloween.
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  Speaker 3: I love it when the veil is at its thinness,
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  I love it.
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  Speaker 4: I absolutely love this. And also I saw you had
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  a drink in your hand a minute ago. Are you
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  you're a Christian?
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  Speaker 3: Correct?
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  Speaker 1: I am? I do? IM vibe?
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 4: The reason why I asked this because today is actually
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  maybe as a time of recording, which is a wik
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  and holiday of a second harvest and apples and wine
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  and like that type of festivities that are a big
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  thing on this day. I thought that was a nod
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  to that. But my bad, I forgot. You are a
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  child of god ASA's eye, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, bes I am.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, any wickens out there, Mary maybeen't to
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  you anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jesus did turn the water into wine, so he
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  didn't like he has a heart after mine, So cheers
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  to that. I have jack fire here.
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  Speaker 4: Oh you're drinking a cinnamon whiskey.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I'm having jackfire neat and chasing it with
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  a little A and W.
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  Speaker 4: So wait a minute, wait wait wait, cinnamon whiskey and
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  root beer.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, it's so good.
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  Speaker 3: It sounds like a good combo.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting the vanilla with the root beer and the cinnamon
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  from the whiskey. It just kind of, I don't know,
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  it just goes together. It's like a hot toddy.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Well as far as the what was it called jack fire,
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  So yeah, I would say that's like a booge your
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  version of you know, your basic white girl fireball then
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  for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But fireball like makes it's so sweet, it like almost
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  makes me sick when I drink it. But jackfire is,
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  like you said, it's a little bougier, so I can
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  drink it without you know, the after effects of fireball.
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  Speaker 3: But you're drinking it neat.
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  Speaker 4: But then again you're chasing it with the A ANDW bags.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got, I got a little A and W
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  going on.
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  Speaker 4: I beg.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know where you guys want to start,
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  but I love getting your reactions when I just like
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  drop stuff on you, and I want to get your thoughts.
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  Why do you think Halloween would be significant if someone
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  was going to murder another person for obvious reasons? It's Halloween?
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  But do you know anything about like the origins of Halloween?
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  Speaker 4: All right, so I have a good knowledge on this, Jonathan,
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  you go first, what is your background on a murder
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  or some sort of a violent act on Halloween?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I always think like Friday the thirteenth kind
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  of deal.
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  Speaker 3: But as the yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: However, I did want to make this, uh, this little caveat.
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  I saw this quote yesterday and it made absolute sense
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  because it's dating back to something that that Anton Levey
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  once said and he said he loves like, he loves
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  how Christians celebrate Satanism one day.
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  Speaker 3: A year when and he's talking about Halloween.
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  Speaker 2: And he says he loves how parents let their kids
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  celebrate Satanism and and pretend that there's something that they're not.
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  And I just thought that that was, like, damn, bro, Like,
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  I don't know if that's what everybody's doing, but from
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  his perspective, he's he sees it as a woman.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, oh yeah, I actually never heard him say that.
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  That's that's fascinating. Okay, pretty wild.
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  Speaker 4: So as far as my background on on all hallowsy,
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  even Halloween and the big feast that goes on into
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  that and the history behind it all, it depends on
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  what culture we're talking about. All over Europe, people had
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  their own harvest festivals that would go on around that
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  time of year. As far as what Americans celebrate as
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  far as Halloween is concerned, I mean, how the Jack
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  the lantern that goes back to the Celtic tribes that
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  used to take skulls of their enemies and put candles
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  in them. Then there's a whole other Irish drinking tale
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  that tell us about a dude with a turnip that
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  made Jack. Yes, yes, which is a crazy story about
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  a guy who outwitted the devil and it's fascinating. I
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  do love Irish folklore like with a strong passion.
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  Speaker 3: Did he do it without a fiddle? No, he did
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  it at a bar.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think any fiddles were involved, but I'm down
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  with a fiddler if they could add one to the story.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, But now, okay, So All Hallow's Eve is in
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  reference to the fact that November one is All Saints Day,
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  so it is supposed to be an extremely holy holiday
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  if you follow the Catholic you know.
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  Speaker 3: Fate when the veil hardens. Well allegedly yes, allegedly.
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  Speaker 4: No, Maybe that's why it was All Saint's Day is
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  because that was supposed to be the day that it
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  was the thinnest. But all of that goes back to
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  pagan equinox and with in like a calendar style festival.
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  Speaker 3: So as far as why.
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  Speaker 4: They even made that day specifically All Hollows Day All
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  Saint's Day, who's to say the Catholic Church was trying
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  to pretty much integrate paganism into its ranks at such
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  a phenomenal rate.
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  Speaker 3: And they did. They conquered Europe.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I actually it's it's interesting that you bring that
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  up because I found that it was Pope Gregory the
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  Third who made November first All Saints Stay. But he
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  did end up incorporating a lot of paganism into All
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  Saints Day. So he claims that it was to counteract
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  the Celtic festival for sam Hayne, which was October thirty first,
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  so he made November first All Saints Day to kind
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  of I don't know the juxtaposition of their holiday in
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  our holiday, but what he ended up doing over time
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  is that he incorporated all the traditions for the sam
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  Haynes celebration into All Saints Day, so it ended up
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  just being a big, massive cluster fuck. Anyways, Indeed, they
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  started referring to the day before All Saints Day as
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  All Hallow's.
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  Speaker 4: Eve, because Hallow meaning holy like Hallow right would be
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  the ground that you could it could be it's sanctified
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  ground that would be able to let people be buried in,
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  build a church upon that type of thing.
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  Speaker 1: So yes, yes, but you know they have to like
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  overtime incorporate Well, it's like, oh, we'll just do a
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  little bonfire on our day two, or like, oh, we'll
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  just do a little this on our day two or this,
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  then you just get Halloween out of it.
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  Speaker 4: One of my favorite traditions is actually where trick or
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  treat came from. And I'm I'm drawing a blank on
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  the actual culture of origin. I'm not sure if it
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  was Slavic, if it was German, if it was Celtic.
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  I'm not a hundred on this, but somewhere upper in
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  the uh the upper upper white types of people's in
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  the northern the Acity region. The extra audacity on that
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  caucacidy right, And basically a bishop style dressed dude would
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  black face himself, knock on a door straight up, a
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  trick or treat would be his thing. And the parents
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  are pretty much rat on their kids to this person.
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  And I forget the title that this guy was. And
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  I don't even know if it was actually a preacher,
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  just like some dude that like took on the roll
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  for the year of beating everybody's kids because like whatever,
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  but either he would get fed or he you know,
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  he'd beat the shaty's kids that didn't do their chores
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  and make him a treat for that day and that
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  was incorporated into Halloween. It's wild when you go down.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds like some kind of a fresh hell right there.
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  Speaker 4: Keep in mind the Germans also have crumpus for Christmas,
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  so like this sounds really German out loud, you know
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  what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, for all the win Cans out there
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  who are going to fry both of you for saying
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  sam Hayne, say sam Hayne.
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  Speaker 1: She did, all right, I said, sam Hayne. But I
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  have a story to back it up.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, yeah, I know that that's like the English
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  translation or whatever. But what I always sam Hayne. It's
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  but it's how they pronounce it in like the Wicca
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  is Slowyn.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, Solwyn, I didn't know that's what you were saying.
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  I thought you were referring to a dude named Sam Hayne,
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  you and Swyn the festival.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and I'm glad you brought that up actually because
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  the story I was going to tell about it, it's
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  pronounced correctly in this story that I'm about to tell.
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  But uh, we're talking about Halloween murders. So to get
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  us started, I feel like it's very necessary to bring
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  up the son of Sam and where that name comes from.
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  Who he was and who he said that he was
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  in touch with, which was Sawyn Sam Haynes, son of
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  Sam Sawyn. So in several interviews, actually he stated that
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  he was communicating with U Sawyn, hence the son of Sam.
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  But did you know that the son of Sam, David
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  Berkowitz has a connection to a Halloween massacre?
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  Speaker 3: Let's go what I'm here for?
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 4: Hold on, now, hold on? Why is that.
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  Speaker 1: So? The bodies of Elizabeth Plattsman, nineteen years old and
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  Ronald Sismand thirty nine years old were found Saturday morning
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  following Halloween at Ronald Sisman's duplex in Manhattan. The couple
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  were severely beaten, shot in the back of the head
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  execution style. And before or after the murders, somebody had
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  like ransacked the place. Furniture was ripped up. It almost
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  looked like they were trying to toss the place and
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  find something, but they were shot execution style, and they
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  were trying to figure out who would do this because
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  it was actually a pretty affluent neighborhood. These people had
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  no enemies whatsoever, and the police got this tipster. They
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  got a call from this person who never identified themselves,
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  and it was a bizarre ass tip They said that
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  they knew someone who had predicted the murder of Elizabeth
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  and Ronald weeks prior to it actually happening. And they
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  were like, Okay, who's this mysterious fortune teller And the
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  tipster said, it's actually David Berkowitz, the son of Sam.
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  He predicted this whole thing taking place weeks before it happened,
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  while he was still in prison.
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  Speaker 4: What right?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 4: This?
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  Speaker 3: I wonder was it in a dream?
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  Speaker 2: Because I know that this is something that's popular that
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  some people will see like prophetic things happened in their dreams.
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  I've actually had one of my one of my ex
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  best friends at this point, but he had a dream
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  of something and he was like, Dude, I'm telling you
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  this is going to happen. And I was like, nah, dude,
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  that ain't gonna happen. It was just a weird dream.
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  And then it happens like three weeks later.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, hold on now, hold on, feet firmly planting on
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  the ground here.
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  Speaker 3: What's to say?
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  Speaker 4: These people living in this very affluent neighborhood actually had
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  some shady business deals going on.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody knew about this guy.
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  Speaker 4: Birkwood's in jail heard from buzz around the prison that
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  some shot caller in jail had like given a green
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  light to take these people out execution style. He called
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  it because he just happened to hear about it from
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  the source. It was a like insider trading kind of thing.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Ask let me give you the answer to both of
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  your questions. Deja vu? Is he a fucking fortune teller
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  or did he have some tips from the inside. It's
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  a combination because the guy, Ronald Sisman was actually up
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  to some shady shit. He was a photographer, which is
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  why he had this affluent type of lifestyle because he
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  was kind of a big photographer for the time or whatever.
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  And David Berkowitz, about three weeks before the murder took place,
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  had told this informant that called the police that his
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  cult was going to torture and perform a ritual killing
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  on Halloween, and he described it as a photographer's residence
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  near Greenwich Village where after the ritual they would kill
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  the occupier. Occupants cleaned the residence of any incriminating evidence
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  against the cult. But he didn't know who it was
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  going to be. He didn't know it was Ronald Sisman.
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  He just knew it was a photographer and he knew
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  it was going to be the cult that was going
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  after him on Halloween. But as it turns out, after
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  he found out that it was Ronald Sisman who got
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  the axe on Halloween, he was like, oh, that makes
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  sense because Ronald Sisman has a snuff video of one
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  of the Son of Sam killings, and Ronald Sisman was
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  actually about to shed some light on the cult and
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  try to get people to rethink that David Berkowitz actually
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  acted alone because he didn't. And I guess Ronald Sisman
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  was paid to take this video of one of the
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  Son of Sam killings and it was eating out his
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  conscience and he was going to come forward with it,
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  and they pretty much often wow.
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  Speaker 3: To me, bro and that's uh.
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  Speaker 2: I love how it was like Greenwich Village. I wanted
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  to ask, that's in the west by the.
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  Speaker 1: Way, Greenwich Village, so.
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  Speaker 4: I get the Wizard of.
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  Speaker 1: The police did talk to David Berkowitz after the tipster,
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  you know, said all this stuff, and they never relinquished
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  a lot of information to David Berkowitz to validate what
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  he was saying. But what they did say to the
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  reporters is maybe he's right, because, uh, the the license
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  were stolen out of the wallets, and there was some
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  other things and actually they would take wallet the wallet
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  or the eye be out of the wallet to prove
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  they had killed the right person. And a lot of
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  similar cult murders. So they were like, maybe there's something
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  to this.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, all right, I'm I I've only heard of
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  people doing these snuff video killings like in shows and
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  movies and stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Bro.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm sure it is.
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  Speaker 2: But is it usually tied into the occult or is
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  this something that just like sick people do.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's a whole bunch of people who get
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  off on violent deaths and murders and stuff that aren't
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  involved in the occult. Whether it's ritualistic in nature, of
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  course it is. Maybe they're not practicing occult practices, but
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  they get off watching animals being tortured and people getting murdered,
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  and they have these videos on the dark web. But
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  then they're with the Son of Sam. There are occult
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  rituals that go around with murders, like the murder is
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  for a purpose, not so much just for the jolly
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  of it and to this day, no one has been
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  arrested for the murder of Ronald Sisman and Elizabeth Plafsman.
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  Speaker 4: Wow and yeah dance. Also, the Dark Web has everything
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  when it broke people like it's not even like a
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  sexual pleasure. It is a mental stimulant that these sick
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  people get off to in other ways of watching. I
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  know dudes that get off to warporn. And I don't
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  mean that to mean what you're thinking. I mean like
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  actual like Battlefield Gore and like live footage of what's
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  going down in Ukraine, live footage of the genocide that's
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  going down in a mirror marmor right now. It's they
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  have people that are in the most disgusting realms of
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  existence in every caliber ban I'll say this.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I could never get down with all that
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  killing or anything, but in a weird way, like maybe
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  just in a way that I was brought up. I
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  played football my whole life, and so there was always
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  this thing on ESPN. It was like NFL Sunday or
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  whatever it's hits and well it was always Tom Jackson
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  and Chris Berman, and it was always the top ten
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  hits of the day, right, and it was always like
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  he got jacked up, and it was always like Lewis.
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  Speaker 3: Or Troy Palammel just smashing people. I love that. But
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  as far as killing bro.
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  Speaker 1: No, and you know that person didn't die. But it's
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  the same thing with watching like MMA or anything like that.
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  It's a sport and you realize these people are consenting
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  adults going into this and they know they're probably gonna
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  get jacked up at some point, but like give off
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  by watching like an innocent person's life being taken away.
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  Like that's when you start to get into like the
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  demonic realm, Like what have you invited into yourself that
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  you cannot get off unless you see that kind of stuff.
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  And for David Berkowitz, like Son of Sam, you have
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  to think, to these people, it's almost like watching the
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  Kim Kardashian sex tape. It's not like regular porn where
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  you don't know the person who got murdered or the murderer.
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  It's you know this person, this is David Berkowitz, that's
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  the victim that's been all over the news, and I'm
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  getting to watch him do it. Right, there's this whole
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  celebrity aspect to it. It's weird.
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  Speaker 4: Would you imagine if Jeffrey Dahmer would have actually recorded
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  his killings and somehow the dark Web had those. You
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  realize how popular those are being, Oh my, because the
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  name recognition on that.
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  Speaker 3: That's the disgusting part.
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  Speaker 1: That's the disgusting partselves.
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  Speaker 4: The murders themselves are probably satanic in nature and everything
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  in between, sick people doing sick things. But then somebody
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  decides to record it and it used to be for
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  their own personal collection. Right then, Wait a minute, wait
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  a minute, the dark Web's out there, bro, this is content.
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  Speaker 3: Well they have this.
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  Speaker 2: They actually say that you can kind of spot these, uh,
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  these psychopaths or serial killers at a very young age
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  because it usually it typically does start with, you know,
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  the enjoyment of watching the the harming or the killing
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  of animals. And that's typically like how the psychopathic mind starts,
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  is like you get it off by watching torture of animals,
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  whether it be squirrels or cats or raccoons or something
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  like that. And actually, dude, that's funny that we're even
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  talking about this today because there has been for the
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  past few days a mouse running around in my house.
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  Speaker 3: My wife is deathly scared of mice for some reason.
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  Just reden of all sorts.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Like I personally, I think that mice are cute, Like
• 22:32
  I was looking into buying a cappy bara because they're awesome.
• 22:35
  But that being said, so anyway, she's definitely scared afraid
• 22:39
  of these things. And uh so she bought some mouse traps.
• 22:43
  Well I didn't know that she bought, like the the
• 22:45
  sticky ones when dude, that's like.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so uh that sucks.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Well, anyway, so I wake up this morning and it's
• 22:57
  on one of those sticky traps, but it's still alive.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm looking up videos. How do I get
• 23:02
  it off this thing so I can release that back? Dude,
• 23:04
  No what, No, I'm not that kind of psycho. So
• 23:08
  I was looking up ways.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's better than letting it scream itself to death.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Well there's actually a way it's off.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: If a mouse gets on one of those sticky traps
• 23:17
  and it's still alive, you can pour olive oil onto it,
• 23:20
  Oh my god, and like onto the trap so that
• 23:23
  it loosens up the stickiness. And so I put it
• 23:26
  in a box and I you just released that on
• 23:28
  into the wilderness. And I say that this little mouse life.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Why so we could come back in your house.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Okay, We're cool with little Like, I'm.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Sorry he's sticking there and all I can picture is
• 23:40
  to him just saying, cinder Rally.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: So different.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: I'm and you grew up so different. But to segue
• 23:48
  back to Halloween, I would say this, like you could
• 23:50
  have got you went and adopted a cat. I know
• 23:52
  you're not going to because Jude ran out on you
• 23:54
  being a hoe, but come to find out, you cannot
• 23:57
  adopt black cats in the month of October. For anybody
• 23:59
  who didn't know that, if you go to an adoption shelter,
• 24:01
  they will not allow it because too many people have
• 24:04
  adopted them, specifically black cats, to ritualistically sacrifice on Halloween.
• 24:09
  So per United States meters can't find this what is.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Wrong with people? See that's part of the reason why
• 24:17
  I wanted to bring this up, because sure murders happen
• 24:22
  all the time, but there's this whole like ritualistic aspect
• 24:26
  to the ones that happen on Halloween. And it's probably
• 24:28
  for a reason.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: The nineteen seventies is when they did there. Yeah, I
• 24:33
  mean I.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Made a mixed bag for you guys. Some of them
• 24:38
  are more occult in nature, and then some of them
• 24:42
  are not as occult in nature. But I want to
• 24:45
  get your thoughts on why they happened the way that
• 24:48
  they did. And so that's kind of where we're going
• 24:51
  to go with this next one.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: That's God, That's why we love Oloyah because you always
• 24:56
  make it so fun, like this is the fun part
• 24:59
  of having you on is that it's like it's it's
• 25:02
  like an interactive thing, like have you ever seen the
• 25:05
  Black Mirror interactive show where you can choose the outcome
• 25:09
  by picking the choices and stuff. That's how I worked
• 25:11
  with you.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: She came with a fucking game show for us once
• 25:14
  upon a time, like, let's let's be real, I.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Have a new game show. Maybe we can include it
• 25:19
  for the Patreon listeners. Slater, I made it myself. I
• 25:24
  couldn't find a game worthy for the Cosmic Peach podcast,
• 25:27
  so I literally created one so we can play it
• 25:30
  later we have time.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: If and when we get that conspiracy game board, we
• 25:34
  have to invite her over to play a game when
• 25:36
  we're gonna live stream that motherfucker Illuminati card game.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: So fun, But all right, we're taking a trip back
• 25:44
  in time now So this first one happened Halloween nineteen
• 25:51
  seventy three in Fondu Locke, Wisconsin. Very small town, and
• 25:59
  it's actually a nine year old girl named Lisa Anne French.
• 26:04
  Have you ever heard of her?
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: No?
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, So Lisa dressed as a hobo that year. And
• 26:12
  back in the seventies, it was cool to just go
• 26:14
  around trick or treating without your parents. Yeah, you just
• 26:19
  get with a group of friends, you go out trick
• 26:21
  or treating, you come back home within like an hour
• 26:23
  or two. And up to that point that was a
• 26:27
  normal practice. You would never catch somebody sending their kid
• 26:30
  out by themselves. In twenty twenty three, to go grow.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: That's all.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: I was brought up that my parents stopped bringing us
• 26:36
  at a pretty young age.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: No, let's see, it depends in Louisiana. No, my parents
• 26:41
  went out with us until we were like teenagers.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my parents went with me too. But so she's
• 26:47
  going around the neighborhood, Lati Da. She visited a few houses,
• 26:51
  they said that they saw her. They said she came over,
• 26:53
  gave her some treats. Then she knocks on the door
• 26:57
  of this twenty five year old guy named Jeralder Okay,
• 27:01
  So here's the thing. Gerald Turner is not a stranger
• 27:06
  to her. He actually rented the other half of Lisa
• 27:12
  Ann French's family's duplex, so they lived together for a
• 27:16
  number of years, side by side. So she already knew
• 27:19
  who this.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Guy was, and she probably wrong fast.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Well, she was very comfortable with him because after school
• 27:27
  she'd go say hi. If she was playing in the
• 27:29
  yard and he was outside, he'd come over. He went
• 27:32
  over to the parents' house, visited with them. She was
• 27:35
  extremely comfortable with him. And so even after he moved out,
• 27:39
  she knocks on the door. Oh it's Gerald, I know you,
• 27:43
  and she's immediately comfortable. So what does he do. He
• 27:47
  invites her in and on that Halloween night, And I'm
• 27:54
  just gonna give a trigger warning you might want to
• 27:56
  skip twenty seconds ahead in the episode is if this
• 28:00
  type of brutality unsettles you. But Gerald Turner took Lisa
• 28:08
  to his bedroom, brutally sexually raped and assaulted her until
• 28:13
  she stopped breathing, and the official cause of death was
• 28:18
  affhixiation and shock. Yeah nine years old.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, dude, and.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Listen what this shit bag did. Okay, he attempted to
• 28:32
  cover up his tracks by wrapping her body up in
• 28:36
  a freaking garbage bag and he dumped it in the
• 28:38
  field somewhere, and it took days for them to finally
• 28:42
  find her. But when the police put two and two
• 28:45
  together and showed up out his door, he just fucking
• 28:48
  melted like a candle. He was like, oh, yep, it
• 28:51
  was me. He later tried to recant his statement and
• 28:54
  say that he lied that it wasn't him, but all
• 28:56
  the evidence was like stacked. There was no way he
• 29:00
  was getting out of it, and he was sentenced to
• 29:03
  thirty eight years in prison.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: That's not long enough in my opinion.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: I don't think so either.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Some people deserve a very slow torture's death. Yeah that
• 29:14
  long kiss good night.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: To this day, because of what happened to Lisa and French, Fondulock,
• 29:23
  Wisconsin has set trigger treating hours and you're prohibited to
• 29:29
  go out after dark on Halloween.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, well, I mean nowadays people are starting to
• 29:36
  do it. And I know whenever I was grown up,
• 29:38
  I swear it always started whenever it started getting dark.
• 29:41
  But now it seems that Halloween is wrapping up like
• 29:45
  it's it's coming to an end. As it's starting to
• 29:47
  get dark, so, which is probably for precautionary measure.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: I would imagine.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: I remember it being when the first street light came on,
• 29:53
  that was your go light, right, you just took off
• 29:56
  and you got done whenever you had hit every house
• 29:58
  in your That's.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Kind of and how I grew up to like the
• 30:02
  night time was the fright time. That's when you go
• 30:04
  out on the prow and you get your treats and stuff, but.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: Ride around on bike and drop of fireworks and shit
• 30:12
  to like you know, fun things fun yeah, and you know.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: You come home, you have some hot chocolate, you watch
• 30:18
  a movie or something, you go to bed.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And then of course nowadays with our kids, I
• 30:23
  think it's a like six to eight I think, dude,
• 30:27
  I think like Halloween has official hours of six pm
• 30:30
  to eight pm, and like that's it. I'm like, dude,
• 30:32
  we could keep going whether the time says or not.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: But if somebody has their their house light on or
• 30:39
  if they're sitting outside, you know they're still actively passing
• 30:43
  out treats. That's what I say. But so Pumpkin for
• 30:46
  your thoughts, you guys, Okay, everyone says Halloween is the
• 30:52
  one night of the year where the dead can walk
• 30:56
  amongst the living. We've all heard this, and whether somebody
• 31:01
  believes that or not is up to the individual person.
• 31:03
  But my question to you is, rather than the dead
• 31:06
  walking amongst the living, what if it's more like demonic
• 31:12
  energy is stronger and can influence people more easily on
• 31:16
  this night of the year. Because what I've found in
• 31:19
  a lot of these Halloween murders is that it's parents
• 31:24
  of their own children or people who had no criminal
• 31:29
  history whatsoever. And there's actually a professor from Northeastern University
• 31:37
  that found that violent crimes increased by fifty percent on Halloween.
• 31:42
  And with this Lisa and French story, what bothered me
• 31:47
  about it is the dude lived right next door to
• 31:51
  her for years and had how many opportunities if he
• 31:56
  really wanted to do that? Why did it have to
• 31:59
  be this night, this Halloween?
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: So I have a couple of different theories as far
• 32:06
  as this.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Maybe he had a certain kink towards a certain age group,
• 32:11
  that's definitely possible.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Maybe he was waiting for her to evolve a little bit.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: Maybe he had to work up his own courage to
• 32:16
  finally take, you know, to do it, or some shit.
• 32:19
  I don't know. I don't want to even like try
• 32:21
  maybe take the mind of a sick fuck like this.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: I mean yeah, but at the same time in order
• 32:26
  to try and understand these fucking creeps. It's almost like,
• 32:30
  you know, these are certain signs that you know you
• 32:32
  gotta look for because I know, just be just by
• 32:35
  uh what was the name of the pedophile movie we
• 32:38
  went to go watch h Sound of Freedom? Sound of Freedom? Yeah, yeah,
• 32:41
  not as a pedo not I said that wrong.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: But to me and I knew what you meant. That's all.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: So, But anyway that those people all specifically had their
• 32:51
  kink age range, right, some people were into like one
• 32:54
  year olds or two year olds or he was a
• 32:56
  fresh five year old. Yeah, and so these people are
• 32:58
  all fucked and maybe he had just one of those things.
• 33:01
  Now I know that, you know, internet porn wasn't around
• 33:04
  back then, yeah, but still like the child trafficking has
• 33:08
  been around since the dawn of time probably.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Oh for sure.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Right, And also I do want to make this other
• 33:14
  caveat it's that, Yes, the the veil is at its thinnest.
• 33:18
  Maybe that's whenever the demonic entities it is a lot
• 33:22
  easier for them to cross over, and you know, the
• 33:25
  devil tempts the idle hands and whenever. This guy is
• 33:29
  living at his probably by himself, right, like, he wasn't married,
• 33:33
  he did, he didn't have any kids, and so that's
• 33:36
  probably you know, he probably just saw it as all right,
• 33:39
  this is this is gonna be it, this is going
• 33:40
  to be the day. And of all days, I would
• 33:43
  imagine that October thirty first would be the easiest that
• 33:45
  you could be tempted.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: Hold on, you said it was what year seventy two,
• 33:49
  seventy three.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Seventy three? Interesting and this guy, this guy was twenty
• 33:54
  five when he did it, so he's younger than us even.
• 33:57
  I mean, this has been some shit he had stew
• 34:00
  for a while.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, because if you even look, I forget what year.
• 34:03
  I think it was either seventy one or seventy two
• 34:05
  when Playboy released their Sugar and Spice edition, where you
• 34:09
  Seeelds as nine years old, Stark naked this entire magazine.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Oh I'm sorry, did John I know about this?
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah? No, Brooks Shields the fucking Hollywood celeb eight list celebrity.
• 34:21
  Her first nude appearance was nine years old in Playboy magazine,
• 34:26
  Hugh Heffer signed off on this bitch in the seventies.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: You might be onto something.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: Now, hold on, pedophilia was so widely accepted but just
• 34:35
  never spoken of back then. How many of these creepy
• 34:38
  game show hosts do you see kissing these kids on
• 34:40
  the fucking mouth on TV? And nobody batter than I
• 34:43
  That wasn't weird? It was somehow charming for a fifty
• 34:45
  five year old man to be kissing an eight year
• 34:47
  old girl in the mouth.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: What the fuck was that?
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: Okay? Now let's cut to, like you said, Halloween and
• 34:53
  the things that go down on this day. Now, because
• 34:56
  of my past and because of my experiences with demonic entities,
• 34:59
  I can say that they feed off of fear. That's
• 35:02
  literally for them, not all of them across the board.
• 35:04
  Maybe it's a certain type of demonic force or dark entity.
• 35:07
  I'm sure there's levels to that. We could talk about
• 35:09
  that all day.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: But to Adrenochrome, I absolutely.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: Believe that they feed off of fear. We have now
• 35:17
  formed this holiday into a fear based holiday. Being scared,
• 35:21
  the fright of it, The jump scares, all of that,
• 35:23
  it's a part of it. So to say that around
• 35:26
  that time, we equally have a higher number of violent crimes,
• 35:29
  a higher number of rapes, a higher number of all
• 35:31
  of this shit. Like, yeah, so you're telling me the
• 35:34
  demons are being fed more and people are celebrating this fear.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense to me.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Well, we're living in right now, dude. I mean in
• 35:41
  America we have haunted houses. Imagine putting one of them
• 35:44
  fucking things up in Syria. You think anybody would go, Dude,
• 35:47
  we would get exactly.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: We would get bombed, we would get vested, we would
• 35:55
  get g hotted so fast the first buttons to be
• 36:01
  it's ridiculous.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: That makes me think of Team America when he's like,
• 36:04
  I'll put a hot Yeah.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh man. Could you imagine seeing hocus Pocus like
• 36:12
  try to hit the stage in any way? In these
• 36:15
  country they're like over, especially the second one. I love
• 36:21
  the second one, though I did I didn't like how
• 36:23
  they them. I like the theory in the plot. I
• 36:27
  didn't like how they forced the agenda. There were so
• 36:29
  many snippets that didn't need to happen, that took They
• 36:32
  took away from the story. They didn't add, you know
• 36:34
  what I mean.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Like the mask and they.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Just looked old and like shitty to me.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: So, oh no, not that part the trans team the.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Oh well yeah, I'm just saying like, even if it
• 36:45
  didn't include that stuff, I was like, y'all are fucking
• 36:47
  old as fuck to be like reviving this ship. I know,
• 36:51
  I will let it go.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: I was happy about it.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: But Nidler seventy five, for Christ's sake, I don't know.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Oh my, I mean, she might be Sarah Jessica Parker's
• 37:02
  looking that old.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: But I mean she definitely looked old. Now.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: Roll that she looked hot in was hocus Pocus first.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the first one. Yeah, the first one for sure.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: She never looked attractive to me. Ever, again, I'm sorry.
• 37:17
  Of course, it's do it for. It's a thing. It's
• 37:19
  a thing, I guess. So, but you know, she's a
• 37:22
  great actress. I suppose if you're into that sort of
• 37:24
  thing whatever.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Or sex in the city or whatever.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never seen it. So, like I said, if
• 37:28
  you're into that type of they just rebooted that, by
• 37:31
  the way, I'm sure they did. Oh, they're gonna milk
• 37:33
  that bitch dry until them old ladies are walking. They're
• 37:35
  gonna be the New Golden Girls, funny with a fucking
• 37:40
  air tank, still trying to mac on these twenty five
• 37:42
  year old hosh dudes like it's a whole thing.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see that.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: Eighteen is gonna come out at the same time as
• 37:51
  Sex and the City eight. You know what I'm saying.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Sex in the City eight.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: They can't help themselves. They just have a franchise.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: They're just gonna keep squeezing that rag to get every
• 38:02
  drop they can out of these old broads.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you, I think it will.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: It will probably be successful too, because the longtime fans.
• 38:11
  You know, I can imagine if they brought back a
• 38:13
  TV show that I really loved with the same people,
• 38:16
  like if they revamped Even Stevens and wanted to do that,
• 38:21
  I would be all about it, you know.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, could you imagine. I'm a huge child Abuff fan.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: So I want to podcast. What's that the podcast that
• 38:31
  Christy Carlson Romano and the older brother from Even Stevens.
• 38:35
  What's his name? Help me out? Wil Wilfrinette.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know what his name is in real life.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So they have a podcast together and they talk
• 38:43
  about all kinds of shit in Hollywood, not necessarily conspiratorial,
• 38:46
  but just you know, whatever to get them and Shila
• 38:49
  above or anything like that, any kind of adjacent thing
• 38:52
  of like the old Disney stars doing it for real.
• 38:54
  They tried that with Girl Meets World. That was a
• 38:57
  big swing and a miss.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't good. Even with Tipanga, it just wasn't.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: I'm still in love with that woman. Good God, she
• 39:04
  just got better with the age them curves. Yeah, her
• 39:07
  and the Pink Ranger.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: My lord are you and.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Every other guy who grew up in the nineties. But
• 39:13
  let me like the next one down on you guys.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: Back to Halloween murder.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: So I mentioned what if the demonic energy is easier
• 39:24
  to manifest on Halloween because a lot of people have
• 39:27
  no violent history whatsoever. A lot of the people murdered
• 39:33
  their own children. And that's the next one. So a
• 39:36
  lot of people actually have heard about this one Timothy O'Brien,
• 39:40
  and he was eight years old. He was murdered on
• 39:43
  Halloween night in nineteen seventy four by his own father.
• 39:47
  And what his father did actually was he stuffed cyanide
• 39:53
  into pixie sticks and let him eat them. What and
• 40:00
  then tried to blame an old man that lived down
• 40:03
  the street.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: And then he admitted later on that he actually did
• 40:12
  it and it was for the insurance money that he
• 40:14
  just took out on him.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I was gonna suggest maybe you got tired of pan
• 40:19
  Child's board.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: But well, I mean, have you ever read what a
• 40:24
  cyanide poisoning death looks like?
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: Yes? I have, as a matter of fact.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: You I mean, I'm gonna spare the listeners.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: But damn it melts you on the inside right essentially essentially,
• 40:35
  So hold on, now, what year was this? You said?
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy four, the year after Lisa and French was off.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: Oh shit, when do you ever remember hearing about check
• 40:47
  your candy? Because they used to poison their kids in
• 40:49
  the seventies with this candy. They have never seen a
• 40:52
  candy company have some sort of accident or releases some poison.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: The only ones that you hear about are shit like this.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Yep, he was Brian.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: The whole country was on high alert for this to happen.
• 41:05
  So he just planned it out to where he could
• 41:07
  blame the creepy old dude down the street.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, he waited for Halloween and then police actually went
• 41:14
  and like tossed his place and was like, hey that
• 41:16
  we heard that you get handed out pixie sticks on
• 41:18
  Halloween and this this boy is dead. And the guy
• 41:22
  was like, dude, I wasn't even home, right, I wasn't
• 41:25
  even passing out candy. And then the dad was like,
• 41:28
  oh fuck, well yeah it was me.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Like what.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: That is so strange because I mean, first of all,
• 41:40
  if he wouldn't have routed himself out, why would why
• 41:44
  would anybody assume that it was his dad? I mean,
• 41:46
  it is Halloween giving out candy. So as soon as
• 41:50
  you know that that guy had an alibi and he
• 41:53
  said that he wasn't home, why would he instantly just
• 41:55
  fold like that.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: That's kind of a weak move.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: I know, I think maybe so again with this whole
• 42:00
  Halloween angle, this guy had no violent history whatsoever, hadn't
• 42:05
  heard a fly until this night, and then poisoned his
• 42:10
  own son with cyanide poisoning. I mean, it's just and
• 42:14
  then you know, you get to November, Halloween's over there
• 42:18
  investigating the crime and he folds, you know, like a
• 42:23
  house of cards. Why is it because Halloween has this
• 42:27
  energy around it? Would he have done it otherwise?
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: That sounds about right too, because I'm saying, dude, there's
• 42:34
  definitely something going on with Halloween, and I think that,
• 42:39
  you know, we just recently did an episode on alcohol
• 42:43
  or you know, the alcohol right, and it's like supposed
• 42:47
  to be the alcohol demon or whatever that supposedly whenever,
• 42:52
  you know, because alcohol and wine and beer and all
• 42:54
  that are not wine so much, but it's said to
• 42:57
  have spirits, and so it's said to be like it's
• 43:00
  almost like everybody, everybody who drinks like heavy like that,
• 43:04
  it's almost like you're inviting a spirit into your body.
• 43:07
  And I compared it to like playing with the Ouiji
• 43:10
  board if you're drinking too much, because there's some you're
• 43:13
  turning into a whole extra person. And I think that,
• 43:16
  you know, maybe you might be able to compare that
• 43:17
  to Halloween in a way.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: If you open yourself up.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: To any of this negative shit, then you're essentially inviting
• 43:25
  what may be coming on the other side a little
• 43:28
  bit easier.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: Specifically on October thirty first.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Well, and you know what's weird is they say that
• 43:32
  they used to dress up in costumes to frighten the
• 43:37
  dead away or whatever that wives tale is, and it's
• 43:42
  like they're dead what do they have to be fucking
• 43:44
  as scared of?
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Like it made.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Sense to me.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, people, Okay, so I have a family member I'm
• 43:51
  not gonna name, but this person believes like they don't
• 43:54
  want to be cremated because that just means that, like
• 43:56
  God's got to have all that extra work to put
• 43:58
  them back together when it gets to heaven. And I'm like, wait, wait, wait,
• 44:01
  you're selling your body doesn't go there, right, He's like, well,
• 44:03
  yeah it does, because like yeah, this and this, Like
• 44:05
  people have so many different beliefs as far as what
• 44:08
  death is and what happens next and what it surrounds
• 44:11
  with's so yeah, like costumes to scare the dead away
• 44:14
  because like I guess the dead ain't at their final
• 44:16
  destination or something.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: And they're also scared of six year olds in grimlin costume.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Damn right, right, Well, there's the idea of purgatory, right,
• 44:25
  there's the idea that some don't want to cross over
• 44:29
  yet because they're they're judging themselves too hard, and that's
• 44:32
  why you get the whole idea of well, usually the
• 44:36
  ones anytime there's a ghost story, like ninety nine percent
• 44:39
  of the time, it's always like a negative thing right right,
• 44:42
  because the people haven't accepted or they they don't want
• 44:46
  to leave because sometimes it's an addiction involved. So like
• 44:51
  like if you're a meth addict or a heroin addict,
• 44:54
  or an alcoholic or any or maybe like a sex addict,
• 44:59
  that it's said that when whatever, you die and you're
• 45:01
  getting ready to transfer over to the to the next
• 45:03
  realm or heaven or whatever, you believe that a lot
• 45:06
  of times that addiction will keep you attached here. And
• 45:09
  that's what that's you know, that's where the spirits come from.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: That's a story anyway.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Or something something even like having a violent death. I
• 45:20
  think you might not even realize you're dead. If you
• 45:24
  got shot in the head and it was an instant death.
• 45:27
  Are you going You're gonna be like, what the fuck?
• 45:29
  Where the fuck am I? You might hang around because
• 45:34
  you're like, am I even dead? Like what just happened
• 45:36
  right now?
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Well, it depends on what you think as far as
• 45:40
  you know, who is coming to your bedside whenever you die,
• 45:44
  you know, is it is it gonna be your auntie
• 45:46
  or your uncle or your grandpa that has passed, or
• 45:49
  some kind of grim reaper to assist you and I'm
• 45:52
  maybe it's different if you get shot in the head unexpectedly.
• 45:55
  Maybe it's different if you get run over by a
• 45:57
  truck or something like that.
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: So we can hypothize all of these things till the
• 46:00
  cows come home. That's my point. Culturally speaking, relevance to
• 46:04
  your background. Everybody's got a million interpretations of what happens next.
• 46:08
  Who knows, man, I can't wait to find out. But
• 46:10
  you know, until then, well.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: And then you have people who don't even know. They
• 46:15
  don't even know if there is a next. But next
• 46:18
  on my list is one that turned into a whole
• 46:23
  fucking Netflix series. Okay, okay, And the Netflix series was
• 46:29
  called Making a Murderer. I don't know if you guys
• 46:32
  saw that on there.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: I never watched it, but I've seen the bits of it.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: Yep, yep.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: It was Teresa hall Back and she was twenty five
• 46:41
  murdered on Halloween two thousand and five, and there is
• 46:46
  an ongoing debate over the identity of her killer to
• 46:49
  this day. But a guy named Stephen Avery was arrested
• 46:54
  and he's currently serving a life sentence because they found
• 47:00
  her charred remains in a burn pile on his property.
• 47:05
  But if you watch this series and look at a
• 47:08
  lot of the evidence that's come to light, he might
• 47:11
  actually have been framed. I know it sounds crazy, but
• 47:15
  it's one of those Netflix series you got to watch
• 47:18
  it till the end and you're so sure it's him,
• 47:20
  and then you're kind of like, no, there's no way
• 47:22
  it could be him. And so this did occur Halloween
• 47:26
  two thousand and five. No one's found the definitive evidence
• 47:33
  to say yes, it's Steven Avery, but a lot of
• 47:36
  people do think it was him.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, So is it possible that they just found her
• 47:44
  remains on Halloween or is it possible that she died
• 47:48
  a couple of days earlier, or is it for sure
• 47:50
  that the day that she got fried, she was like some.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Kind of a photographer and she called her friend on
• 47:59
  the way to Stephen Avery's home because she was going
• 48:02
  to take some kind of photographs for him, and then
• 48:06
  they found and that was on Halloween, and then they
• 48:09
  found her body I think the next day or a
• 48:12
  couple days later, when she never called back or returned home,
• 48:15
  and she was in a burn pile on his property,
• 48:18
  and they were like, okay, we knew she was on
• 48:20
  her way to his house. We know she knew him
• 48:23
  and that she was going to be alone there, and
• 48:25
  she's dead in a burn pile on his yard. Guilty.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: See that's another job that I never thought about before.
• 48:32
  But on side photographers, that could be potentially very dangerous
• 48:36
  for them, especially a young woman.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Oh fuck yeah, I've never.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: Thought about that. Like you hear about the massage therapist
• 48:42
  that will come to your home and like that more
• 48:45
  or less these days is like a sideline for prostitution
• 48:47
  if you're looking at the right place. But like that
• 48:50
  is dangerous as hell. We have that one girl that
• 48:53
  died in LP a couple of years back doing that.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: I went to high school with her, right, Yes, So
• 48:58
  she went over to give a quote unquote massage straight
• 49:01
  and it was understood that.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: That's what she was doing.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it was handies or whatever, but
• 49:05
  there was something sexual going on there for sure, and
• 49:08
  I guess she was, uh, she was actually engaged or
• 49:13
  or with somebody, right, And I went to high school
• 49:17
  with both of them, and it was it was so strange.
• 49:20
  Nobody really expected this to be going on because she
• 49:24
  seemed like such a nice girl. Like that was my perspective.
• 49:27
  My perspective of hers that she wouldn't be doing shit
• 49:30
  like that. But that being said, you know, an aspiring
• 49:33
  uh massuse going over and the the story was is
• 49:38
  that she was always going over to these people's houses,
• 49:41
  and not only would she be pleasing them sexually, but
• 49:44
  it was always said that she was going over there
• 49:46
  to steal.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: Now this is this is during the time where you know.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Bars like bars and uh, you know, all the different
• 49:55
  kind of drugs were going on, like the my numbing ones,
• 49:58
  and so what happened was is that, uh, the guy
• 50:03
  actually confessed and he even told the story. So whenever
• 50:06
  the cops showed up to her how to his house
• 50:08
  because the boyfriend or the pimp or whatever you want
• 50:11
  to call him, said that that was the last known location.
• 50:14
  The guy said, yeah, I killed her, and he was
• 50:16
  just some guy that was living alone.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: He goes, yeah, I killed her.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: I stuffed her into a uh, into a tupperware container
• 50:21
  or one of those big rubber Maid containers, and he goes, dude, yeah,
• 50:28
  he wrapped her inside of this plastic cellophane or something
• 50:31
  and then stuffed her into a rubber maid thing and
• 50:33
  like chopped her up and shit too.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: His fucking brutal. Yeah, but it's said that.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Uh, he goes, yeah, I killed her because she was
• 50:41
  fucking stealing from me.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: As he went, he was like, uh, she was preparing
• 50:45
  all of you know, the the oils and the towels
• 50:48
  and stuff like that.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: And he went to the bathroom, I guess to you know,
• 50:52
  just just to go to the bathroom. And he comes
• 50:55
  back and he notices that she's like stealing his laptop
• 50:59
  and and our drives and shit like that.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: And he's like, all right, well that's it, and he
• 51:03
  completely confessed.
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you know, yeah.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Instant death for you. I would have just called the cops,
• 51:10
  but silly me. Well, you know, at that point is
• 51:14
  so much easier.
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: He paid her to come over here for sex. He's
• 51:17
  not thinking like she's got some sort of whole backstory
• 51:20
  in a family that loves her and stuff. She's a
• 51:21
  prostitute at this point. So at that time you pretty
• 51:25
  much see them as an object, I suppose. And he's like, oh, well,
• 51:27
  I guess fuck this, your pemp's gonna have to find
• 51:29
  a new a new employee and said fuck it didn't
• 51:32
  realize oh yeah, and that she's like, yeah, anyway, anyway,
• 51:35
  neither here or there. My point is, though, that type
• 51:38
  of work I understand has an inherent danger to it.
• 51:41
  I never thought about photographers. You think about that, a
• 51:45
  woman gets called to do a photographer photo shoot for
• 51:48
  some family or some client. Whatever goes alone, the place
• 51:52
  is verified, whatever, Dude, that's sketchy as fuck.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: They could literally bash you over the head, stick you
• 51:58
  in the trunk, and drive off to wherever with you.
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: That's gone well, especially too if you think about it,
• 52:05
  like it's not always meeting at the house.
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: Sometimes it's like out in the.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Field, very remote locations, like hey, there's this horse farm
• 52:13
  like twenty miles away from here that's just gorgeous for photos.
• 52:17
  You meet them there, they literally bash you over the head,
• 52:20
  stick you in the trunk, and they find your fucking
• 52:23
  body two weeks later in a burn pile.
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: I feel like this is the whole backstory to most
• 52:27
  of the Law and Order series.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: I could be wrong, Yeah, Mark Criminal Minds.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah, Well next thing, you know, your fucking
• 52:34
  pig feed bro.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Like they said in the movie Stitch, do not
• 52:39
  trust them and that has pigs on his farm.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: Stitch, No, no, no, uh stitcher.
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: Excuse me, Okay, the British movie, but Brad Pitt's the
• 52:52
  pikey fucking Irish boxer, right. Yeah, A mob boss was
• 52:56
  telling them, Look, a pig can eat a human body
• 52:59
  all the way down to the tea for forty eight hours.
• 53:01
  Do not trust a man that has a pig farm
• 53:03
  out of nowhere.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: Savages, that's wild. That's why. That's why I'm not big
• 53:08
  on poor chops bron in Louisiana, in most of our Bayous.
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, you bury a body eighteen
• 53:14
  inches below the surface and bury it, It's gone in
• 53:16
  three days. Dude.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the bacteria just needs to a live.
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, though you.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Could just feed them to the gators.
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: Well, that's kind of a messy process, you know what
• 53:26
  I mean.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: That's might They might be picking and choose and they
• 53:30
  find a hand here foot there you got some scraps
• 53:34
  left behind.
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they just like rotten meat better than fresh meat.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: That's oh god, alright, next person, now.
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, beef smelts is a thing like you take a
• 53:45
  rotten beef liver and squeeze them juices out in the water.
• 53:48
  I'll call them from all over These guys on TV
• 53:52
  feeding them this fucking fresh chicken quarter, Like, yeah, that's
• 53:55
  good for the ones at the zoo, but the ones
• 53:57
  in the Bayous they want the sludge. They want the
• 54:01
  let it' sit out in the sun for a couple
• 54:02
  of days. How many of these gators that we found
• 54:04
  on trot lines? Dude, that fucking I don't know if
• 54:07
  you know what a trot line is, do you? Yes? Okay,
• 54:10
  so a trot line, you'll get a fucking turtle a
• 54:11
  snap on there and get hooked. A gator will come
• 54:13
  and snap onto that turtle and die, and that's that's
• 54:17
  been dead for like weeks before that gator even smelled
• 54:19
  it to come and fuck with it. It's ah fuck,
• 54:22
  oh yeah.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: I eat gator bites.
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: I had gator bites.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: Girlm in Louisiana. What was she talking about?
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I've probably eaten snapping turtle asshole that's
• 54:35
  been rotted because freaking their diet sucks.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: It does, But that's what they love. They don't want
• 54:42
  no fresh vegetation. They want ship that's been dead for
• 54:44
  a couple of days and it's bloated. That's their ship.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: Gator is the true chicken of the seed.
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: Bro it's the chicken of the Bayeu.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: Actually, I'll take on some real shit. Neutrarette that chicken
• 54:56
  by you. Listen at me now. It is a fresh
• 54:59
  vegetation eating herbivore. It doesn't touch trash. The fact that
• 55:02
  it's called rat. It's a beaver that's got a stump tail.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: Dude, it's one of the ugliest creatures you'll ever lay
• 55:07
  eyes on.
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: And it is so delicious and there's very little fat
• 55:11
  on this thing. The fucking fur is so waterproof and
• 55:14
  so warm. Look, I'm telling you, neutra rat, although it
• 55:17
  is a vermin and it is tearing up our ecosystem, that,
• 55:20
  in my opinion, is the chicken of the bye. You dude,
• 55:22
  come at me.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: With I can't believe you've eaten one of those nasty
• 55:25
  things here.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: That a raccoon, but that's too greasy at that point.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: You got a before you grill it. It's a whole process.
• 55:30
  I want to eat rocket raccoon.
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: Bro oh man, Yeah, I know, dudes to have a raccoon.
• 55:34
  Dickx's toothpicks. They were on their necks like necklaces. It's
• 55:37
  a bone. Oh shit, I know what, dude, listenm in
• 55:42
  our neighborhood. His nickname is Kon Dick of.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Course, my god, see, I feel like you guys like
• 55:49
  Fried Raccoon's asshole on a stick or something shit Raccoon before.
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: But it's not like my every Tuesday meal like I mean,
• 55:57
  it's there's way better produce at the store, you know
• 55:59
  what I'm saying?
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: All right now, moving on to our next victim here.
• 56:06
  And it's funny we were talking about this, like drownding
• 56:08
  and all this stuff and to buy you because have
• 56:11
  you heard of the Smiley Face Killer?
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: I have, Let's go okay.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: So I've done a few episodes with William Ramsey on
• 56:19
  the Smiley Face Killer and people really don't even want
• 56:23
  to admit that it is a killer. They just say
• 56:26
  that they're accidental drowndings, that they're not correlated or connected
• 56:30
  in any way, that they just keep finding the same
• 56:34
  around the same age, college student men face down in
• 56:39
  a ravine or somewhere in water, shallow water too, and
• 56:43
  they always say accidental drownding. But it's kind of a cult,
• 56:48
  not kind of. It is a cult in nature, and
• 56:51
  William Ramsey has talked about how they have to be
• 56:56
  connected because someone can't be dying in the same way
• 57:04
  over and over and over and over and over again
• 57:06
  and it not be related. I guess you know, yeah,
• 57:11
  it's the same mo Now. Actually, there's one Chris Jenkins,
• 57:16
  and he disappeared the night of Halloween in two thousand
• 57:20
  and two, and he was discovered four months later in
• 57:26
  the Mississippi River, still in his Halloween costume, with all
• 57:31
  the same characteristics as the other Smiley Face murder victims.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: WHOA that lines up. Okay, So what our.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: Theory is is that they keep them somewhere in torture
• 57:44
  them for a very long time, and then they dump
• 57:47
  their bodies somewhere in water.
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, that would that would check out. Now the
• 57:53
  body I'm assuming like they're And that's the thing. Depending
• 57:55
  on how long it is before they're found, you can
• 57:57
  never tell like how much mutilation had happened prior to
• 58:00
  two time of death, and like you can generalize things
• 58:03
  a certain way, but there's it's really really difficult to
• 58:07
  get a real estimate on that type of thing. Whenever
• 58:09
  you have a body that's been out for god knows how.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: Long, bloated, discolored, decomposing, and the people who were with
• 58:19
  Chris that night, say that he was actually walking by
• 58:23
  himself out of a bar because they went to a
• 58:25
  bar for a Halloween party. They were all in costumes.
• 58:29
  They broke off, split off. He was walking alone down
• 58:32
  the sidewalk and they never saw him again. And then
• 58:35
  he turns up four months later in the Mississippi River,
• 58:38
  face down, still in his Halloween costume.
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: Now that's all I was gonna say that the body
• 58:43
  looked like it had been there for months, or like
• 58:45
  it had just been.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: There like.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Maybe a week. Ooh, So I mean it was still
• 58:53
  bloated and decomposing, but he hadn't been in there four months.
• 58:57
  If you know what I'm.
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: Saying, Remind me again, how what time of year or
• 59:01
  what what area of the country was this.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: So I didn't write that down. I have that he
• 59:08
  was found in the Mississippi River and he was killed
• 59:11
  in two thousand and two, so people can go and
• 59:14
  look up Chris Jenkins, though they say that they've never
• 59:17
  been able to find his murderer. But if you know
• 59:20
  what we know, the Smiley Face killer is very occult
• 59:24
  in nature, and there's probably a group of people working
• 59:27
  together all around the country doing this to young men.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, that's well.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: Especially then, it was a pretty common thing about the
• 59:36
  whole Smiley Face killer or killers.
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: What was that. There was a show that it came out.
• 59:41
  I was like only on Facebook I could find it,
• 59:42
  and it was a whole backstory. Like this teenage girl
• 59:45
  that was pretty much her parents were both members of
• 59:47
  the Smiley Face cult and the mass it was like
• 59:50
  a burlap sack with like two black eyes and a
• 59:53
  black smiley face.
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: All these adults from around this little town would come
• 59:56
  together and.
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: Meet, and it was a cult that would do all
• 1:00:00
  of these things. And basically their whole premise was to
• 1:00:03
  be anti victimhood, Like as soon as one of the
• 1:00:06
  even within themselves in their own ranks, if a member
• 1:00:09
  ever tried to take a stance of oh woe is
• 1:00:11
  me in any way, like, they would in fight and
• 1:00:13
  kill them immediately. Like they did not put up with
• 1:00:16
  the victimhood people, they would not take charge of their
• 1:00:18
  life to such a degree were the victims of these killings,
• 1:00:21
  and it was a whole thing. This teenage girl was
• 1:00:24
  like taking vlogs and she was like trying to have
• 1:00:25
  normal teenage experiences but couldn't because their parents were fucking
• 1:00:29
  you know, occult to serial Killers. It was a whole thing.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: It was a whole thing, and we went over for
• 1:00:32
  like two seasons. Jesus.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: Well, but it sounds like it, Yeah.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Didn't they In Forrest Gump they pretty much said Forrest
• 1:00:41
  Gump was responsible for the smiley face.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: No, there was a T shirt that went around in
• 1:00:47
  the seventies and had a smiling face and said have
• 1:00:48
  a nice day. That was the reference to that. It
• 1:00:51
  was one of those things that like our parents understood
• 1:00:53
  watching the show, but we didn't. Just like the right
• 1:00:56
  after that, the shit Happens one that was a really
• 1:00:59
  really popular bumper sticker for that day and age, but
• 1:01:01
  like our generation never saw that.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Growing up, Okay, because I know, like when I was little,
• 1:01:07
  there would be a person at Walmart that would like
• 1:01:09
  greet you and give you a smiley face sticker.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I remember that.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: There was also a wrestler back in the day called Mankind. Yeah,
• 1:01:19
  and he was the one that wore like the mask,
• 1:01:21
  but it was like straps and shit and he was.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: Those other straps because his face is all mangled or whatever.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: Right. Well, no, I mean, well that was the idea,
• 1:01:28
  but that's not how it was.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: But anyway, it's Mick Foley, but he always wore the
• 1:01:32
  T shirt that didn't have a Nice Day with the
• 1:01:34
  smiley face on it too.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like they licensed it to certain people, and I
• 1:01:38
  think Walmart actually finally got the whole license to that
• 1:01:40
  smiley face, or at least theirs, you know what I mean.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: They had those smiley face stickers. They'd give you one
• 1:01:46
  every time they were all over the fucking carts and shit.
• 1:01:49
  Yeah yeah, And it's weird, well not weird because it
• 1:01:53
  makes sense. But every victim they have found of the
• 1:01:56
  Smiley Face killer, when they look, there's a smiley face
• 1:01:59
  somewhere nearby. So that's the premise behind it, is the
• 1:02:03
  symbolism behind the miley face every victim. If you look
• 1:02:07
  hard enough, you'll find one carved in a tree, You'll
• 1:02:09
  find one spray painted on the wall. It's there wherever
• 1:02:14
  you look. But so this next one, this next one,
• 1:02:19
  I feel like is really gonna get you, guys, because
• 1:02:23
  I was very surprised not more people know about this.
• 1:02:27
  Have you ever heard of Martha Moxley?
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: Yes, but I'm droona blading as to why I might
• 1:02:35
  be getting her and Lindsey bored and confused, and be honest.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: With you, you will you will be surprised. So nineteen
• 1:02:40
  seventy five, So we had nineteen seventy three, Lisa and French,
• 1:02:45
  nineteen seventy four, Timothy O'Brien, nineteen seventy five. Martha Moxley
• 1:02:51
  fifteen years old. She was found dead on her family's
• 1:02:55
  property in the affluent neighborhood of Greenwich, Connecticut. Another Greenwitch,
• 1:03:03
  Another green Witch. Her family came to suspect that she'd
• 1:03:07
  been murdered by their teenage neighbor, Michael Scafell. So what's
• 1:03:13
  so interesting about Michael Skakeele? He turns out to be
• 1:03:18
  the nephew of Robert Kennedy.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: Oh get out here, m h by way.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: Of his wife Ethel. So he grew up in the
• 1:03:30
  Kennedy family. And it said Michael spent most of October
• 1:03:38
  thirtieth with Martha Moxley and his seventeen year old brother Tommy.
• 1:03:44
  But he says at some point they left and went
• 1:03:47
  to their cousin's house, and Martha went home, and he
• 1:03:51
  doesn't know what happened to her after that. But on
• 1:03:54
  Halloween the next day, Martha was found dead under a
• 1:03:58
  tree in her backyard. She'd been bludgeoned and stabbed with
• 1:04:02
  the golf club to such an extent that the golf
• 1:04:05
  club had shattered, and investigators searched the scene and they
• 1:04:12
  found a matching golf club in the Scicoll residence. Why so, wow,
• 1:04:20
  they just covered that. You know, they covered that shit up,
• 1:04:23
  you know, how to be him.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: If there's any connection to the Kennedy's, we have to
• 1:04:28
  cover this up with government money immediately. We cannot let
• 1:04:31
  the image of the Kennedy name be tarnished.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: Well, it's mafia ties as well, exactly, and so well,
• 1:04:37
  especially since you know, depending on what story you believe
• 1:04:41
  about Marilyn Monroe, one of the stories is is that
• 1:04:45
  you know, whenever she quote unquote overdosed in her room, right,
• 1:04:50
  it was Jackie.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: I think that was Jackie's revenge.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: It could have been I don't think so, because the
• 1:04:56
  story goes that not only was Alea Monroe sleeping with JFK,
• 1:05:01
  but also RFK two for sure, and supposedly JFK or
• 1:05:06
  RFK set a little bedside secrets and Marilyn Monroe was
• 1:05:10
  going to be exposing that shit. And she goes, look,
• 1:05:13
  I'm going to come out and say it. She announced it.
• 1:05:15
  I hate when they do that. I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 1:05:17
  tell the government's secrets. And then you're surprised whenever you
• 1:05:19
  show up dead the next day before you ever even
• 1:05:22
  get the chance of saying anything. But the crazy part
• 1:05:25
  is is that she ends up uh, she ends up
• 1:05:29
  being found dead. And what most people actually track it
• 1:05:32
  back to is that RFK is the one that was
• 1:05:36
  the one that actually ended up killing her, whether it
• 1:05:38
  be by the pills or the alcohol or whatever. So
• 1:05:41
  I'm not even surprized that this is another RFK related thing.
• 1:05:46
  And now RFK Junior is trying to run for president
• 1:05:48
  and get the fuck out of here.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: This would be his cousin, right, that is insane. His
• 1:05:52
  first cousin, if that is correct, is an absolute murderer.
• 1:05:56
  Was like found but then was pushed under the rug
• 1:05:58
  and he killed her with a gun.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: It was pushed under the rug so fucking fast, and
• 1:06:01
  they never found anyone else who they could even remotely
• 1:06:05
  tie it to.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: And let's not forget that the Kennedy family bottomized the
• 1:06:09
  youngest sister of the Kendy They sure the.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: Fuck did I did do like I did a three
• 1:06:14
  hour episode on what really happened to Marilyn Monroe for
• 1:06:17
  the listeners. I'm actually going to revive it and add
• 1:06:21
  some more information because I got autopsy reports. I got
• 1:06:25
  It's fucking crazy.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: Okay, we need you for that, we need you for that,
• 1:06:30
  and I need I want to bounce one off of you.
• 1:06:32
  And this is just a Jacob theory. This is not
• 1:06:34
  founded in any type of factory.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: Can you be mad if I say you're wrong?
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: No, not at all.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: This is okay, hit me.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: But I also know the wrath of a scorned white woman. Okay,
• 1:06:44
  this is very well. I am throwing out a hypothetical. Okay,
• 1:06:49
  keep in mind Jackie O and U who was an
• 1:06:52
  RFK or Robert Kennedy's wife, whoever refrir ethel. Okay, these
• 1:06:57
  women were equally as connected as their husbands. They were
• 1:07:01
  equally welcomed and beloved by the country they had pool
• 1:07:04
  whether they wanted to actually like let that be known
• 1:07:07
  or not. So is it a crazy concept to think
• 1:07:11
  that both of these women to protect their husband's image,
• 1:07:14
  to protect their marriages images, and to protect all the
• 1:07:17
  business dealings that would have blown the lid off of
• 1:07:19
  everything for them as well, that these white women didn't
• 1:07:22
  decide to handle up on behalf of their dead husbands
• 1:07:26
  on some like baby girl keeping it ten toes down
• 1:07:29
  and honing down for their men, and they're covering the
• 1:07:31
  tracks and all that shit.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: I'm just throwing out of the hypothetical as a theory.
• 1:07:34
  It's it's not that far fetch, and really it's not.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: If I'm able to do the full breakdown with you guys,
• 1:07:43
  it's very extensive, and I feel like you will walk
• 1:07:46
  away knowing one with absolute certainty, what happened to her.
• 1:07:51
  That's my thing. That's what I do. There are no
• 1:07:54
  questions left unanswered. You will know everything that happened that night.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: But could it have been sitting night?
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: Maybe?
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: So.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: The weird thing is is Marilyn Monroe died just a
• 1:08:09
  few days after she's sang Happy Birthday to the President
• 1:08:12
  in that iconic dress that Kim Kardashian later wore, And
• 1:08:18
  so they were both still alive when she died, and
• 1:08:22
  Robert Kennedy actually paid a visit to her house the
• 1:08:25
  morning of her death.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: People do suspect that he had something to do with it?
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: Wall I can't wait to have you come on, come
• 1:08:35
  on the Cult and just do that whole Marilyn Monroe
• 1:08:38
  show that I love getting like talking about Marilyn Monroe
• 1:08:41
  because it kind of still is like a it's a
• 1:08:44
  it's a huge conspiracy bro Like there's so many details.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: It's like it's like the game Clue.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: There's so many levels to it. The more you dig in,
• 1:08:50
  the more mystery there is surrounding it. It's it's a
• 1:08:53
  very fun one to talk about, for sure.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: I you'll enjoy it. So we'll have to set it
• 1:08:57
  up because I I really have a lot of off
• 1:09:00
  on her and I actually was going to be so
• 1:09:04
  disappointed if our audio issues messed up this next one
• 1:09:08
  because it's the last one, the last Halloween Murder, and
• 1:09:13
  I feel like it's the craziest tie back of all time.
• 1:09:18
  But so we're going to be talking about Shirley Ledford.
• 1:09:23
  I don't know if ever heard of her, and she's
• 1:09:26
  the Halloween Murder victim of the toolbox Killers.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: Oh the ones that stab them, people up at them,
• 1:09:32
  the screwdrivers.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: Listen to this shit. Okay. I had actually never heard
• 1:09:38
  of the Toolbox Killers until I did this research, which
• 1:09:43
  for how gruesome and depraved their killings were. I'm surprised
• 1:09:47
  I hadn't heard of them before.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: So I guess how old are you.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: I'm twenty eight.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: Okay, So were you privy to the Internet around the
• 1:09:57
  time of Two Girls, One Cup?
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, so that I have to ask that.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: Sorry to trigger anybody out there, but that's a good
• 1:10:05
  indication as to what generation of Internet wildness you were
• 1:10:08
  exposed to, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: So I remember once upon a time these Russian teens.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: It was like discovered that they were they called the
• 1:10:14
  Toolbox Killers, and we weren't watching the videos of them
• 1:10:18
  of what they It was more or less like the
• 1:10:20
  story from Russia or from some country.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: I never actually knew if it was Russia or Germany
• 1:10:24
  or what.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: But basically, these kids were just like abusing these people
• 1:10:28
  with screwdrivers and hammers and all this shit, and not
• 1:10:30
  just them. They started with like dogs, went into these
• 1:10:33
  old people, and then they finally were caught. We saw
• 1:10:35
  clips of these videos because that was what was allowed
• 1:10:38
  on YouTube at the time, but it wasn't like raw footage.
• 1:10:40
  It was like a news article, but it was Russian,
• 1:10:43
  so it showed like the shit.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: Dude. They must have named themselves after the Toolbox Killer's
• 1:10:51
  namesake because they were rampant in the seventies. Whoa, Okay, wow, yeah,
• 1:10:58
  you guys are gonna fucking freak out. Okay, So, by
• 1:11:01
  October thirty first, nineteen seventy nine, Lawrence Bittaker and Roy Norris,
• 1:11:09
  the so called Toolbox Killers, had already killed four women,
• 1:11:15
  and their last victim they took on Halloween, and these
• 1:11:20
  fucking devils abducted a sixteen year old girl named Shirley
• 1:11:24
  Lynnette Ledford, picked her up while she was hitchhiking on
• 1:11:29
  the side of the road, took her to a secluded location,
• 1:11:32
  and they tortured her to death. But the way that
• 1:11:35
  they did it, the way that they did it, I
• 1:11:38
  have never heard anything like this in my entire life.
• 1:11:41
  And again trigger warning, Okay, just for anybody who this,
• 1:11:45
  it's too grusome. They don't want to hear it. Just
• 1:11:47
  skip about twenty seconds ahead in the episode. Okay, right,
• 1:11:52
  she was raped, sodomized. They smashed her elbows with sledgehammers
• 1:11:59
  into pa and they twisted her tits off with pliers.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: Oh, they used to be a medieval torture type. They
• 1:12:10
  have a device made specifically for that.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: They twisted her tits with pliers and miraculously she lived.
• 1:12:21
  She lived through all of that.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: Whoa, that's a medieval purple nurple.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: Well, device was for the entire boob, not just like
• 1:12:30
  the nipple, like it was a whole they have like
• 1:12:31
  it's like claws.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: Oh what yeah, that sounds even.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: The medieval, medieval titty twister. But that was not her
• 1:12:42
  official cause of death. Her official cause of death is
• 1:12:45
  she lived through all of that other stuff, and they
• 1:12:49
  strangled her to death with a coat hanger. Fuck after
• 1:12:55
  they did all.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: Of that, the poor girl.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: And I'm sure, like me, everyone wants to know what
• 1:13:04
  happened to these fuck sticks. Yeah, so get this shit. Damningly,
• 1:13:11
  they fucking recorded the entire mutilation on video and then
• 1:13:20
  showed it to their friends and bragged about it, and
• 1:13:24
  it made one of them so fucking sick to watch
• 1:13:27
  it that they ran immediately and told police what they had.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: What was the age range with these these individuals.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: They were in their twenties.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: Oh my disgusting. I'm telling you, a slow torture is
• 1:13:42
  death is what they deserve.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: So the tape of Ledford's prolonged torture was played for
• 1:13:51
  the jurors at the trial in nineteen eighty one, and
• 1:13:55
  the prosecutor told the jurors before he starts did the tape.
• 1:14:01
  For those of you who do not know what hell
• 1:14:04
  looks like, you will find out. That's what he said
• 1:14:08
  before he played the tape. I believe that during the
• 1:14:12
  playing of the tape, the jurors threw up, they cried,
• 1:14:16
  they had to leave. I mean, it was awful. So
• 1:14:20
  Lawrence Bittaker was sentenced to death and Roy Norris, this
• 1:14:25
  little shit bag, agreed to testify against Lawrence and he
• 1:14:30
  was just sentenced to life in prison.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: See that's why the movie law Abiding Citizen was a thing.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: Literally this and I mean so the Toolbox killers have
• 1:14:42
  since died, but even Bittaker sat in fucking death row
• 1:14:46
  until twenty nineteen, and Roy Norris died in twenty twenty.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: And apparently they inspired these other rushing kids or whatever
• 1:14:56
  they did in the two thousands.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: So this is what caught my attention and why I
• 1:15:01
  have to bring this up to you guys. I wanted
• 1:15:04
  to do some more deep diving because you don't get
• 1:15:07
  these type of psychopaths just in your run of the mill,
• 1:15:11
  you know, psycho. This is to the next level. I mean,
• 1:15:15
  twisting somebody's tits off and doing all that. This is
• 1:15:18
  some crazy ass shit. Isn't design type shit. So I
• 1:15:24
  began my research. Laurence Spittaker born in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, put
• 1:15:31
  up for adoption as an infant and raised by adoptive
• 1:15:35
  parents in front of people.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: Bro Look, man, it sucks, and it sucks that it's
• 1:15:40
  in Pittsburgh.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: I'm from Pittsburgh.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: But at the same time, he was a child of
• 1:15:43
  the system.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: He was a child of the system. That's kind of
• 1:15:46
  where I was getting at. And from what it sounds like,
• 1:15:48
  his adoptive father was in the military or air Force
• 1:15:52
  or something like that, and they moved around a lot,
• 1:15:54
  and he got in a ton of trouble as a kid,
• 1:15:59
  all the way into adulthood. I mean, his rap sheet
• 1:16:02
  was like a mile long. But so was Roy Norris.
• 1:16:05
  The weird thing is Roy Norris was born in Greeley, Colorado,
• 1:16:10
  like not even remotely close to each other, but his
• 1:16:14
  parents were like drug addicted scumbags. So Roy was in
• 1:16:19
  and out of foster care his entire life. Claim he
• 1:16:23
  was sexually abused by his foster parents and that led
• 1:16:27
  to his deviant sexual behavior. But here's where it gets me.
• 1:16:31
  He ended up dropping out of high school, joined the
• 1:16:34
  US Navy, and served in the Vietnam War.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I've said this before, Like the parameters to check
• 1:16:43
  if somebody's crazy or not before sending them into war
• 1:16:45
  is not what they should be. I've said this before. Man,
• 1:16:48
  the Marine Corps, I'm telling you, has taken some people
• 1:16:50
  that they really shouldn't have, but they would fill a
• 1:16:54
  specific well you know what I mean.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: If you read the book Program to Kill by David McGowan,
• 1:17:01
  you'll notice how a lot of people were normal or
• 1:17:05
  maybe had a little something wrong with them until after
• 1:17:09
  they get out of the army. And then you have
• 1:17:11
  Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, like all the main, main, main
• 1:17:15
  serial killers they were in the military.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, there's a lot of brainwashing that goes on
• 1:17:20
  in there.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: But then there's also no there's the PTSD, which I
• 1:17:24
  mean they know the.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: Secret, secret government programs that go on. Maybe they see
• 1:17:28
  a Jeffrey Dahmer type and they're like, yeah, that one
• 1:17:31
  put him in Project Monarch.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: And see that's the thing.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: I can only speak to the military circa twenty ten
• 1:17:38
  to twenty fourteen, and only to my small section of
• 1:17:41
  the overall pie that is the United States Department of Defense,
• 1:17:45
  You know what I mean.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: But all that to say, we have so many stories
• 1:17:48
  of shit that was going down in.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: The sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties by our Department of Defense.
• 1:17:52
  Now I don't know what it was and wasn't going
• 1:17:54
  down while I was in the stuff that I did see,
• 1:17:56
  I wasn't really particularly fond of. But as far as
• 1:17:59
  the dark web government or dark web in the shadow realms,
• 1:18:05
  government entities and programs that operate, we have so many
• 1:18:08
  stories about how these things have played out to this day.
• 1:18:10
  I mean, yeah, this is not.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: Crazy to me.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: And I mean it also makes sense that a certain
• 1:18:14
  person could be used strategically if guided and molded the
• 1:18:19
  proper way. I understand this.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: The argument I always make is when you look at
• 1:18:24
  some of these big ones that they always make Netflix
• 1:18:26
  documentaries on, like Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer, there are
• 1:18:30
  so many killers out there that have done justice heinous
• 1:18:33
  of crimes, but they don't get their own Netflix special
• 1:18:36
  And I almost wonder if they're not proud of these
• 1:18:38
  guys like they are homegrown, Like, hey, look what we created.
• 1:18:44
  They were both in the military, and so these two
• 1:18:49
  fuck bags actually end up raping and assaulting their way
• 1:18:54
  in and out of jail over the years. And actually Norris,
• 1:18:57
  the one who served in Vietnam, was died knows by
• 1:19:00
  the military psychologist with schizoid personality disorder or d D
• 1:19:06
  dissociate identity disorder.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, I could see that that checks out, you know.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: And this is this is around the same time, right,
• 1:19:14
  Like you remember the movie Full Metal Jacket.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, it's Vietnam.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: That was the one dude killed himself right home pile
• 1:19:24
  think about that.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: That was the military at that time. That was the
• 1:19:27
  boot camping training at that time.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to literally turn off your emotions in
• 1:19:32
  order to get through those kind of times.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: I think speaking to turn off your humanity switch. Yeah,
• 1:19:38
  it can lead to murder later on if you have
• 1:19:41
  no humanity whatsoever and you just want to feel something, Yeah,
• 1:19:45
  girl will probably do that for you.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: But so they evertailed For the record, anybody listening, I'm
• 1:19:50
  not shitting on the entire military they have.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: Any I never like to make blanket statements. But what
• 1:19:56
  I will say is when you see a certain correlation
• 1:19:59
  between events happening over and over and over again, in
• 1:20:03
  this case, serial killers and being in the military and
• 1:20:07
  all of them having some type of like dissociative identity disorder,
• 1:20:11
  I'm sure Jeffrey Dahmer did. I'm sure Ted Bundy did.
• 1:20:15
  I mean they acted one way with their family and
• 1:20:18
  then at night time they turned into the boogeyman. I
• 1:20:20
  mean that's not that's almost you have to program that
• 1:20:23
  into somebody, just like with Project Monarch and this SRA
• 1:20:28
  type abuse.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of like mental health issues right,
• 1:20:32
  Like how many veterans per day are killing.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: Themselves the law. It's high as fuck, bro.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 4: But I will say this also to any parents listening
• 1:20:42
  that children maybe looking to join the military, understand that, yes,
• 1:20:46
  these things in the past were as bad as you're
• 1:20:48
  thinking of the horror stories of boot camp and like
• 1:20:50
  a platoon of recruits were marched into a river and
• 1:20:53
  like were drowned because they were just following orders of
• 1:20:56
  the drill instructor. They were fearful of their life from it. Yes,
• 1:20:58
  these things have happened. However, these days things have gotten
• 1:21:02
  a lot better. They have more humanity about it, They
• 1:21:04
  are allowed more free time, they are allowed there's it's different.
• 1:21:07
  It's still Brandon Washington and still training them to be
• 1:21:09
  a better person and a more productive person, but it
• 1:21:12
  has been geared more towards the individual of today's world.
• 1:21:15
  I agree and disagree with that to certain respects, and
• 1:21:18
  to a certain.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: Points, I agree with you, but I think, in my
• 1:21:22
  conspiracy mind, I think it's just become more compartmentalized. Okay,
• 1:21:27
  I just I feel like there's the military for people
• 1:21:30
  that are gonna do military stuff, and then they have
• 1:21:32
  all these compartmentalized projects where you have to be a
• 1:21:36
  certain type of individual to even get access to these
• 1:21:40
  special projects in programs.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: So sure, anything in anything with counterintelligence, even within the
• 1:21:48
  Department of Defense, Like understand that's that secret squirrel shit
• 1:21:51
  that we don't know about, but like, yeah, you're a
• 1:21:54
  random admin clerk is like not a part of the system,
• 1:21:57
  you know what I mean?
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, That's exactly where what I'm going for is like
• 1:22:00
  they have these compartmentalized things that you have to be
• 1:22:04
  selected for in order to know about that kind of stuff.
• 1:22:08
  But the weird thing, so how do we get this
• 1:22:12
  guy from Colorado and this guy from pretty much nowhere
• 1:22:16
  because he grew up all over the US meeting. They're
• 1:22:19
  both psychopaths, and how do they form this union? And
• 1:22:24
  the circumstances in which they met make no sense whatsoever.
• 1:22:28
  It's all very, very very vague, and the information that
• 1:22:32
  you can find glazes over the meeting at all. You
• 1:22:35
  almost can't find a story on how they met. But
• 1:22:40
  what I did find is they're actually the originators of
• 1:22:43
  the white rape van, the gmc van Dura.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, Oh I didn't know those Where it started?
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: And Dan was started by these fucks in Colorado? Or
• 1:22:55
  where did they start?
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to that in just a second, but
• 1:22:58
  they did started. They are the originators of the white
• 1:23:01
  rape Van. And they nicknamed their rape van murder Mac Mac.
• 1:23:10
  So do you all know about Mickey Mouse and like
• 1:23:13
  the Mac the Knife shit and all that.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit, but uh, go over it, go
• 1:23:20
  over it, yeah, for everybody that's listening.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: So the morbid origins of Mac the Knife include murder, rape,
• 1:23:28
  killing children, so on and so forth. And this was
• 1:23:32
  an actual person who ran rampant and they actually had
• 1:23:35
  a song written about him and there's two versions of
• 1:23:40
  the song. There's more of like a theater type song,
• 1:23:43
  and then there's a song that Frank Sinatra and some
• 1:23:46
  more popular singers mac the Knife Song, But it's based
• 1:23:51
  on a real dude who raped and killed children and
• 1:23:53
  murdered people. And his nickname was Mackie Messer. And you
• 1:23:59
  can kind to guess from that where Mickey Mouse came from,
• 1:24:02
  because it was actually gonna be Macky Mouse after Mackie Messer,
• 1:24:08
  but then they changed it to Mickey Mouse, whoa he
• 1:24:13
  was also known to wear white.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: Gloves, Yeah, which a lot of the Disney characters are.
• 1:24:19
  And you're saying that this killer also was known wearing
• 1:24:21
  those white gloves.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: Yes, wow, oh wow.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: And they named their rape van murder Mac.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: And now of course nowadays, well not nowadays, but always
• 1:24:36
  has been thinking of the ice cream truck, it's always
• 1:24:38
  the it's always the rape van bro every single time.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 4: Anything that attracts children like that is something that is
• 1:24:43
  immediately going to appear sus, right, But then like the
• 1:24:46
  ice cream man, like it depends because there's been how
• 1:24:49
  many of these have been poisoning kids?
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: We're just taking them on board.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: The reason that they use this gmc vandura and they
• 1:24:58
  are the originators of it. Is because they mostly picked
• 1:25:02
  their victims up while they were hitchhiking, so they would
• 1:25:05
  just slide the door over, grab them, pull them in,
• 1:25:08
  close the door back.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: Oh wow.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: And so getting back to to like the origins of
• 1:25:16
  like how they met again, is it by fate or
• 1:25:21
  design that these two end up finding their way to
• 1:25:25
  each other and no other than the great state of California. Uh,
• 1:25:33
  in the Laurel Canyon area?
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: Here we go.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: Oh no, No, there's so much that ties back to
• 1:25:41
  Laurel Canyon.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: Dude, It's like it's like Rome when it comes to
• 1:25:45
  this time period in American history. All roads lead back
• 1:25:48
  to Laurel Canyon.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: It's like, how many times do we have to see,
• 1:25:51
  you know, Bill Gates and George Soros involved in sketchy shit.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: It's like, it's Laurel Canyon And what.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: Do we know about Laurel Canyon in the military. So
• 1:26:02
  that is why I ask you, does that play a
• 1:26:06
  part to do with what how they ended up becoming murderers?
• 1:26:10
  I mean, they ran rampant in Los Angeles, in the
• 1:26:14
  Laurel Canyon area, and then they dumped their victims an
• 1:26:16
  hour away in the San Gabrielle Mountains. Yeah, I mean
• 1:26:23
  it's just to me, it sounds even ritualistic.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: That's a very ritualistic area. Those mountains are seen from.
• 1:26:31
  You can look back at all the tribes that were
• 1:26:32
  native to that area one hundreds of years ago. Those
• 1:26:34
  mountains are very very symbolic.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, and these are Halloween rituals, so to say, right,
• 1:26:40
  if they're happening on Halloween and then doing a ritualistic thing,
• 1:26:44
  these two people not coming from any part of the
• 1:26:46
  same country and then meeting up in fucking California and
• 1:26:49
  Laurel Canyon and doing some of the most ritualistic shit ever.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: Of course, it is in their.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: Last victim, their very last victim before they were locked
• 1:26:59
  up forever and then died, was on Halloween. It was
• 1:27:02
  Shirley Ledford.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 4: Okay, so this was the one that got them finally caught.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, you're talking about the originators of the
• 1:27:11
  rape van coming out of the Laurel Canyon. We're talking
• 1:27:14
  about murder Mac and Mac the knife and shit coming
• 1:27:16
  out of the Laurel Canyon. I mean, I'm so sick
• 1:27:19
  of harping on this one subject and like trying to
• 1:27:22
  get people to understand that it's all connected and something
• 1:27:26
  as simple as me googling Halloween murders has led me
• 1:27:30
  back to the canyon.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: It'd be like that, it's really fucked, but it'd be
• 1:27:34
  like that.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: Well and then two, I mean, you've come on our
• 1:27:37
  show before and you've talked about Disney and the dissociation
• 1:27:42
  that happens within you know, the abduction of kids.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: They say, well, you know, don't act like this. You're
• 1:27:49
  not you right now.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: You're Cinderella right now, right, and so you tie it
• 1:27:52
  back into Mickey Mouse is where it all started anyway?
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: Yep, right, yes, no, God, that's from a murderer.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: That's a new one for me.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Max Knife. Yeah. And the craziest thing too
• 1:28:07
  about their tie in with of course, as you all know, NASA,
• 1:28:12
  But it's just the military angle. People like to talk
• 1:28:17
  about how Warner von Braun and Walt Disney and Stanley
• 1:28:21
  Kubrick were a trio of sorts and they were all
• 1:28:24
  besties and whatever, and they love to talk about the shining,
• 1:28:28
  but they forget about full metal jacket. Yeah, that's the association.
• 1:28:34
  What is he trying to really tell us in that movie.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 4: And then when they're walking back, they're singing the Mickey
• 1:28:40
  Mouse song.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: Boom. I was gonna say it. I was gonna say it.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: Why ama us, Mickey Mouse, Mickey Mouse. They're all saying
• 1:28:49
  that as they're walking.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: Through a school.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: Told Jeff, there are no coincidences, dude, there really aren't.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: Just saying no, but I mean, that's what I have.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: That's what I have for you guys tonight. So I
• 1:29:05
  feel like just to kind of go back over it.
• 1:29:08
  We had the Son of Sam, we have a relative
• 1:29:12
  of the Kennedys, the Smiley Face killer, Laurel Canyon. It's
• 1:29:17
  all culminating here on Halloween. And I just have to
• 1:29:21
  ask you guys again that the ritualistic significance of this holiday,
• 1:29:26
  it goes beyond what you would imagine.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, Oh my god, dude.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: And so it's like, you know, we've talked about this before,
• 1:29:37
  about you know, all those Christian parents that didn't want
• 1:29:42
  their kids watching Harry.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 4: Potter, and turns out like, right, there was a reason.
• 1:29:46
  Come to find out they were correct. And now Rally's
• 1:29:48
  shit was directly from the Demonica and from Wicca, and
• 1:29:53
  like was two thirds of those books references to magic
• 1:29:55
  were direct quotes from demonic magic.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: Come to find out, it's like, damn it, you mean
• 1:29:59
  then Bible. Well mamas were on some shit.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: And now the same Christian parents have said for years
• 1:30:05
  that we've scoffed at. We don't celebrate Halloween in this house.
• 1:30:08
  That's up the devil.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 4: But even though the church will still put on a
• 1:30:10
  fall fest, like all right, you're calling in a different
• 1:30:13
  drunker tree it, yeah, trunk or treat. It's like you're
• 1:30:16
  doing the same shit just because it's on church property.
• 1:30:19
  Now it's Christian, Like, come, look, well.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: That's what happened with All Saints Day. Ye sick and
• 1:30:25
  tired of taking the fun shit out of Halloween, so
• 1:30:29
  they start incorporating it into All Saints Day, And now
• 1:30:31
  here we are. I have one always tell people each
• 1:30:37
  each year that my mom passed away. I think you
• 1:30:40
  guys know that, But me and my mom were besties,
• 1:30:43
  and she loved Halloween and she loved watching scary movies.
• 1:30:47
  My love for horror movies comes from my mom. And
• 1:30:50
  so every time around this year, as soon as I
• 1:30:53
  light my first pumpkin candle, I just feel like connected
• 1:30:57
  to her and you know, reminiscent of my childhood and
• 1:31:01
  being with her. But the ritualistic aspect of it is
• 1:31:07
  the tolerance portion. As a Christian, you would say that
• 1:31:11
  that's the tolerance portion. So you want to have fun
• 1:31:16
  and you want to do these things, but you're tolerating
• 1:31:19
  a certain level of evil in your home.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: Okay, But I also don't believe that lighting a pumpkin
• 1:31:26
  spice candle is indicatively evil.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: People accuse me of that, though, because I decorate my
• 1:31:31
  house for I put pumpkins and shit everywhere, and like
• 1:31:34
  I like to sell, I dress up for Halloween and
• 1:31:36
  I do all that, and they're like, how can you
• 1:31:38
  say that all this stuff is demonic? And then you
• 1:31:40
  still do it? And I'm like, everyone has this level
• 1:31:43
  of tolerance. For me, it's about your intent or people.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: Can mind a goddamn business and let God be the.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: On my spirit.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: I don't know, right, Yeah, this is my lowly perspective.
• 1:31:55
  People be all up in other people's kool aid. Don't
• 1:31:57
  even know what flavor it is, talking about his red
• 1:31:59
  it's green and anyway you don't even know, you know, right?
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: No, I do feel like that though. I feel like
• 1:32:04
  they're low key calling me a hypocrite, and I.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: Call that a lot.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: I feel this.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: I feel this.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like, oh, you're such a hypocrite. You still
• 1:32:14
  like do Halloween stuff even though you talk about how
• 1:32:16
  demonic it is. And I'm like, am I intent? When
• 1:32:19
  I do Halloween stuff and dress up? It's like, I
• 1:32:21
  really just want to like have fun with my friends
• 1:32:23
  and family. I'm not worshiping the devil. I'm not doing
• 1:32:26
  ritual sacrifices. Like, that's not that's.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: Not me being that being said, it is said that
• 1:32:34
  whenever you're celebrating Halloween, it is to be within the
• 1:32:39
  holiday spirit.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: Dare I say, I'm just saying.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 4: Halloween.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: But look at the same time, I will say this, yes,
• 1:32:48
  by nature, humans are tribal creatures.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: Right, whenever there's some kind of uh, yeah.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say ritual, I don't think. Yeah, it's
• 1:32:59
  a cultural thing, yeah, and it's exciting. It's something that
• 1:33:02
  everybody does. We all collectively celebrate Halloween for the most part,
• 1:33:07
  right at least here in America, and it's it's more
• 1:33:10
  of a fun thing. Now if you're one of those
• 1:33:13
  people that likes to take it the extra step and start.
• 1:33:16
  You know, you want to have some Halloween parties, and
• 1:33:18
  you want to whip out the Ouiji board for good
• 1:33:20
  old time sake, and you want to pull out the
• 1:33:22
  spirits out of the liquor cabinet, and you know, and
• 1:33:26
  you want to pull out your your I don't know,
• 1:33:29
  maybe I don't believe.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: I don't believe this personally. But if you want to
• 1:33:33
  pull out your tarot deck right and invoke.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: Some spirits, right, you don't believe that personally, I think
• 1:33:40
  done the right way.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: I think done the No.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: No, I'm saying that I don't believe that tarot is
• 1:33:45
  inhibitively like always bad.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: Is that what I'm saying is? But if if not
• 1:33:52
  done with the right intent, you know, some things can
• 1:33:56
  be skewed, right, Like that's just how how And you're
• 1:34:00
  also talking about how the veil is at its thinnest,
• 1:34:03
  all right, It's understood like it's in the fall time
• 1:34:06
  and we're essentially during that time, we're kind of really
• 1:34:11
  getting ready for winter.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: It's the fall into the winter, almost the harvest season.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 4: It was a time of big feasting and festivals. Regardless
• 1:34:17
  of what culture you're from. Fall time is when the big,
• 1:34:20
  big harvest would happen before you go in for winter. Right,
• 1:34:22
  very few crops grow in winter, so this was the
• 1:34:25
  time that when you would have this big harvest, you'd
• 1:34:26
  have a big feast to celebrate a good harvest, to
• 1:34:29
  give homage to the God, to God's whatever your flavor is,
• 1:34:33
  to thank them for a bountiful harvest before everything dies
• 1:34:36
  off in winter. Absolutely so a very transitional period of.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: Day from my perspective. I thrive in the fall because
• 1:34:44
  no matter what time of year it is, I'm already
• 1:34:46
  watching horror movies. I'm already you know. I don't really
• 1:34:51
  love summer activities because I get overheated and then I
• 1:34:55
  get homicidal, and I just like, fuck all.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: That shitame I hate all.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: It's starting to get cold outside. You got your little
• 1:35:01
  sweater on, you watch horror movies, you go drink hot
• 1:35:04
  chocolate and cider and shit. I thrive in the fall
• 1:35:07
  because those are things I already like to do, and
• 1:35:10
  it's just that one month of the year where you're like,
• 1:35:13
  oh fuck, it's October. Now I get to you know,
• 1:35:16
  be uh a horror movie, free like a freak and
• 1:35:21
  fucking do all the things you know, and then November
• 1:35:24
  is my birthday month, so I kind of drag it
• 1:35:26
  out into November. I'm like, we're having a Halloween dress
• 1:35:30
  up party for my birthday this year. Absolutely, but it's
• 1:35:35
  just like the intent that you have, Like I just
• 1:35:37
  love having fun and like, actually, are you guys horror
• 1:35:42
  movie fans?
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: I am.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: I'm a fan of like the Slasher types, anything involving
• 1:35:47
  Demonic and Witcher or not Witch. I love the Witcher,
• 1:35:49
  but like the Omen and the Edge I'm not a
• 1:35:53
  fan of.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: But as far as like Slash, I'm right.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: I've seen snippets and I know enough of the plot
• 1:35:58
  to get the references.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: It's just not my jam.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, So here here's what I propose to you all,
• 1:36:03
  if you have time. I've created a game, and no
• 1:36:08
  one's ever seen this game before Cosmic Peach podcast. I've
• 1:36:11
  only played it one other time, but for your Patreon listeners,
• 1:36:15
  I'm very willing to pull this game up for you
• 1:36:17
  all and play it in just the effestiveness of the episode.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, is this the game show we played last time?
• 1:36:27
  It was like the horror movie trivia?
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: Because this one is more fun?
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 4: All right, all right, let's do it.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: Let's go.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so I will bid farewell to all
• 1:36:38
  my listeners on my end, and then hopefully we will
• 1:36:41
  catch you over on the Patreon where we have Jonathan
• 1:36:44
  and Jacob playing Pick Your Poison.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: Awesome, awesome, Thank you so much.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: And also, since we are going to be wrapping this up,
• 1:36:55
  this is going to be part of the after show
• 1:36:57
  for the Cult of Conspiracy and he'll be able to
• 1:36:59
  see this whether you're on Rockfinn or Patreon. But that
• 1:37:03
  being said, Julia, thanks so much. This was an awesome,
• 1:37:06
  awesome swapcast. We love getting with you anytime we can
• 1:37:09
  because you always just bring so much fun to the
• 1:37:12
  show and a lot of detail.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: You're very well read. Yes, I'm very well prepared.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: And anybody that you know, we have a lot of
• 1:37:19
  people that always reach out and they say, I would
• 1:37:21
  love to come on to your show.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: Can I can I come on the show? Look, if
• 1:37:24
  you're as well read as Julia with.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: The Cosmic Peach, you're welcome every day of the week.
• 1:37:31
  But that being said, Julia, if you could, can you
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  let our listeners know exactly where to find your podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, and I'm flattered. Thank you so much.
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  I'm a longtime fan of the Cult of Conspiracy, so
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  I'm so honored to call you guys besties. I am
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  on Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts, Apple, I
• 1:37:54
  have a YouTube and it's just Cosmic Peach podcast, and
• 1:37:58
  I'm on Instagram Cosmic dot Peach podcast. Of course, most
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  of my listeners already know where to find you because
• 1:38:04
  they found me from you, so but just in case,
• 1:38:08
  would you mind letting the listeners know where they can
• 1:38:11
  find the Cult of Conspiracy.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely so, we are on podcast players everywhere, whether it's
• 1:38:20
  Spotify or Apple or you know, you name it, We're
• 1:38:24
  on all of them. Also, we are we have a
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  Patreon and a rock fin and that's we have those
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  for the people that contribute to the show, the lovers
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  of the show.
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  Speaker 3: That want to keep seeing this thing grow.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: And what we do special for our our watchers on there,
• 1:38:42
  our cult members on there, is that we have a
• 1:38:44
  before and an after show for every single show out there. Now,
• 1:38:47
  sometimes we don't have time to do both of them,
• 1:38:50
  so maybe we'll just do one.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: That's very rare. We're usually always.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: Doing the before and after show and it's always kind
• 1:38:55
  of just a live look in on you know us
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  talking not even really relatively about the topic at hand.
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  It's usually just about what's going on in life or
• 1:39:04
  just theories that we have.
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  Speaker 3: It's just a way to get a little bit us. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:39:08
  and so.
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  Speaker 2: And we also do live once a month where we
• 1:39:13
  invite our Third Eye all the way open tier members
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  on Patreon, and what we do is we go live
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  once a month.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: It's about two hours and just shoot the shit.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: It's a good way to really hang out with us,
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  but it also helps out our show and help us
• 1:39:30
  of achieving the goal of doing this full time one day.
• 1:39:34
  And we're very close, and we just want to say
• 1:39:36
  thank you to everybody that has ever contributed in any
• 1:39:38
  kind of way. But also if you want to be
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  able to follow us on Instagram on Instagram, we're at
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  drop us a line say hi.
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  Speaker 4: And also while you're listening to this, as you're listening
• 1:39:52
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  the likes, the follows, the comments, and all the things
• 1:40:00
  and all the stuff help both of these podcasts break
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  through the algorithmic matrixes of a glass ceiling that we
• 1:40:05
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• 1:40:08
  the more we are promoted to more listeners that may
• 1:40:10
  or may not have heard us otherwise. So help us out. Good, bad,
• 1:40:13
  negative reviews doesn't matter. Anything helps the algorithm get fit,
• 1:40:16
  So hit us up on that regard as well.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, awesome. Should we remind all the listeners to.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely absolutely we should, and it's understood at this point.
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  Speaker 3: It's a very good close out of the show.
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  Speaker 2: And there is one very important, extremely vital piece of
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  information we need you to learn just as soon as
• 1:40:39
  humanly possible.
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  Speaker 3: How about off that third eye
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