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Creepy Shit with Creepy Shit Podcast · The Occult Rejects

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Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen.
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Speaker 2: What what's going to happen?
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Speaker 1: I'll take.
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Speaker 2: What help. Welcome to the Occult Rejects.
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Speaker 3: This episode, I got a bunch of rejects with us
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Speaker 3: and a new guest, somebody who's not been on before.
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Speaker 2: But I was very very excited to get her on.
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Speaker 2: But before we introduce Star, you are going to introduce
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Speaker 2: Matt Mora. What is going on?
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Speaker 4: Man?
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Speaker 2: How are you?
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Speaker 5: Hey? Yo? It's been great, nice to again back to back,
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Speaker 5: starting with the podcast the year. So very happy to
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Speaker 5: be here. As always, you can find me on at
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Speaker 5: Met Mora nineteen. That's going to be on Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, Twitch, TikTok,
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Speaker 5: maybe some other base and we also have have the
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Speaker 5: twitters faces every Friday. That's on the Gray Lodge. So
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Speaker 5: that's the website, the True Grade Lodge with a V
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Speaker 5: so the True Gray Lodge dot com. Also my website
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Speaker 5: Kabala dot com k A A B A l a
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Speaker 5: h dot com. Local stuff going on there. And if
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Speaker 5: you're interested in being part as a beta tester of
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Speaker 5: a parent thing that I'm working on, just DM me
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Speaker 5: in any of these and I'll loop you in. So yeah,
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Speaker 5: very glad to be here. Thanks for having me, of.
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Speaker 2: Course, thank you for coming on. I appreciate it.
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Speaker 3: And we got rent in with Maggis in the media.
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Speaker 3: What is going on, sir? How are you? Thank you
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Speaker 3: for making it.
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Speaker 1: Hey, Nick, thank you for having me on this beautiful stream.
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Speaker 1: I'm really excited to get to know star here and
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Speaker 1: everything that she does heldo to Matt and to our
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Speaker 1: marks as well. I have Magas at the media on
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Speaker 1: YouTube x and TikTok just all the things.
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Speaker 5: YouTube are the big one.
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Speaker 1: That's where I break down the esoteric philosophical, mythological all
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Speaker 1: that is anime, books, media, literature, film philosophy. So check
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Speaker 1: me out at Magas and the media on YouTube and
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Speaker 1: all those things.
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Speaker 5: And I'm excited for this day. Let's do it.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, thank you very much.
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Speaker 3: And for the new listeners that may not have heard
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Speaker 3: him before, I highleastly just to go check out his channel.
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Speaker 3: I think if you, if you enjoy the work that
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Speaker 3: we've done on this show, especially some of the older stuff,
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Speaker 3: you'll love his stuff. So go please check it out.
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Speaker 3: And last but not least, before we get to the guests,
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Speaker 3: we got Robbie Marx. What is going on? So it's
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Speaker 3: great to have you back on.
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Speaker 4: Hey, hope everybody's doing well. Yeah, I'm I'm glad to
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Speaker 4: come on. It's good to come on and hang out.
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Speaker 4: See some old faces, see some new faces. But yeah,
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Speaker 4: I'm our Marx artist illustrator. If you want to check
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Speaker 4: out my stuff, you can go to my link tree
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Speaker 4: which is link tree r m ar X and then
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Speaker 4: I'll pull up all my miscellaneous stuff, my art, my podcast, everything.
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Speaker 4: So yeah, thanks for having me on.
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Speaker 2: Nick, oh, of course, thank you.
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Speaker 3: And finally the guest we got star from, well, we're
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Speaker 3: covering Creepy Shit and she had her show is Creepy
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Speaker 3: Shit Podcast, so he got a star from Creepy Ship.
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Speaker 3: Please let everybody know what your deal is, what your
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Speaker 3: show's about, and where they can find all your amazing work.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, and thank you, thank you so much for having me.
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Speaker 6: I'm so happy to be here. This is really cool.
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Speaker 6: Creepy Shit Podcast is all about true documented events that
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Speaker 6: have happened in history, whether they are hauntings, paranormal activities,
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Speaker 6: true crimes such as vanishings, all sorts of really spooky, creepy,
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Speaker 6: disturbingly real.
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Speaker 3: Shit, awesome, awesome, and uh you don't you don't cover
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Speaker 3: anything like a cult, but are you like kind of
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Speaker 3: into that stuff yourself for a little bit interested?
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Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I had noticed it's some posts that you
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Speaker 3: do or real stories you do like them. That's why
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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, you went to this stuff because
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Speaker 3: I've noticed awesome, awesome, So yeah, she isn't too the
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Speaker 3: occult as well, so go check us stuff out. But yeah,
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Speaker 3: what now, what got you even, I guess even into
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Speaker 3: doing this type of stuff for podcasts?
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Speaker 1: Like?
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Speaker 2: What made you pick? You know? How did this happen
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Speaker 2: for you?
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Speaker 6: So the funny thing is is I was doing a
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Speaker 6: different podcast that I had created, a totally opposite of
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Speaker 6: what I'm doing right now, and it just didn't feel,
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Speaker 6: for lack of a better term, I didn't feel aligned anymore.
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Speaker 6: And I'm like, this just isn't what I really want
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Speaker 6: to talk about. And so through much I guess you
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Speaker 6: could say personal development and self searching, I discovered I'm like,
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Speaker 6: you know what I really need to tap into the
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Speaker 6: things that I love the most, and that is the paranormal,
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Speaker 6: the occult, pop culture, true crime. And I'm like, I'm
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Speaker 6: just going to go for it. And the funny thing
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Speaker 6: is is I never even really talked about it much
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Speaker 6: outside of like my best friend and my husband, you
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Speaker 6: know what I mean. So when I approached it and said,
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Speaker 6: you know, I'm thinking about doing this, what do you know,
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Speaker 6: just some feedback?
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Speaker 7: What do you think?
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Speaker 6: And they're like, We've wanted to tell you this for
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Speaker 6: so long, but you need to do that, yes, And
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Speaker 6: I was like okay, And so I got to work
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Speaker 6: on researching a couple of my favorite locations to start,
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Speaker 6: and all of a sudden, it just it just took off.
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Speaker 6: And it's funny when you do what you enjoy doing,
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Speaker 6: everything else will fall into place.
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Speaker 2: Like and what were you doing prior to that? If
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Speaker 2: you don't mind me asking?
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Speaker 6: Sure, Yeah, I was doing a podcast. It was called
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Speaker 6: Glowing Well, and it was all about like spiritual development
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Speaker 6: and tapping into like the other side. And as much
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Speaker 6: as I love that, that wasn't really what I wanted to.
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Speaker 7: Be talking about.
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Speaker 6: So it had a lot to do with like meditation,
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Speaker 6: yoga and connecting with oneself, which I think is definitely
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Speaker 6: all good things.
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Speaker 7: But again, it just it just didn't.
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Speaker 2: Hit Yeah, your passion was talking about something else.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've understood that kind of even with my own
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Speaker 3: sit the way it's changed a little bit talking about stuff,
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Speaker 3: I'm a little bit more passionate about you, Nice, So like,
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Speaker 3: did you have just asking wondering did you happen to
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Speaker 3: have your own like paranormal weird experiences growing up that
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Speaker 3: kind of influenced you to believe?
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Speaker 6: Oh my goodness, Yes, throughout throughout my life, I have
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Speaker 6: definitely have had some experiences for sure, Yes.
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Speaker 2: Nice, would you mind sharing you Oh?
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Speaker 7: Of course.
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Speaker 6: I one of the ones that stands out the most.
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Speaker 6: And I don't know if you would necessarily say that
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Speaker 6: it was a paranormal experience, but I do not believe
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Speaker 6: in coincidences, and this was just way too weird. So
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Speaker 6: I my day job and that kind of thing. I've
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Speaker 6: been in the hair industry and cosmetology for nearly twenty
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Speaker 6: years at this point, and the very first one that
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Speaker 6: I ever worked for was in a really old building
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Speaker 6: and it actually was used. There was underground tunnels in
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Speaker 6: it that were I rricaded off. They were used in
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Speaker 6: bootlegger days to transport you know, liquor and stuff like
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Speaker 6: that in between and underneath the ground. And this building,
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Speaker 6: the basement gave me the creeps so hard.
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Speaker 1: But one day, what's it?
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Speaker 3: What's with it with basements and giving people creeps? Like,
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Speaker 3: I know, is it really the idea of a basement?
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Speaker 3: Because it's just like, you know, would that creep you
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Speaker 3: out unless somebody else told you their basement creep you out?
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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, or is it something
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Speaker 3: actually there that fucking tingles your senses?
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Speaker 8: Right?
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Speaker 6: And what's the funny thing is is like my studio
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Speaker 6: for for my podcast and where I am right now,
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Speaker 6: it's in my fucking basement.
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Speaker 2: You get used to it.
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Speaker 7: So the whole basement was really weird.
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Speaker 6: And we were down there one day, the staff and
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Speaker 6: everybody left and I was left alone, and I honestly
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Speaker 6: thought like people were just messing with me, because all
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Speaker 6: of a sudden, the lights all went out and I was.
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Speaker 7: Like hey, and I like, shout it. I'm like that funny, And.
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Speaker 6: The lights came back on immediately, and I'm like waiting
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Speaker 6: for someone to come out, waiting for someone to say something.
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Speaker 7: Nobody says anything.
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Speaker 6: And the staircase was really close to like where the
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Speaker 6: door was for the break room, so I thought for sure,
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Speaker 6: like I'd hear footsteps.
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Speaker 7: I didn't hear anything.
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Speaker 6: It was like almost no noise whatsoever, which made my
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Speaker 6: hair stand up on end. And so I decided, I'm like, okay,
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Speaker 6: I'm out of here. I'm going upstairs. And I'm like,
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Speaker 6: you guys, I'm like, not fucking.
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Speaker 7: Funny, you know.
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Speaker 6: And they said we weren't even downstairs. They're like, we
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Speaker 6: promise you, like swear on our life. Nobody was down there.
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Speaker 6: After we all came upstairs and I'm like, okay, Well,
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Speaker 6: then I had another incident in that building where I
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Speaker 6: had to do this. It was a mother and a
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Speaker 6: daughter that came in and I was talking in the
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Speaker 6: front desk air and it was Earth month. So Earth
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Speaker 6: month is really big for an a Veda salon, which
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Speaker 6: is where I was. And we had these big, huge
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Speaker 6: window clings that had to go in. Do you remember,
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Speaker 6: like back in the day, like back in the nineties,
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Speaker 6: this was really big where you had charitable events and
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Speaker 6: then you signed like a cute little cutout piece.
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Speaker 7: Of paper to put your name up and you'd like okay.
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Speaker 6: So it was that, but there was this huge cutout
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Speaker 6: of this blue man that looked like what you see
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Speaker 6: on like a restroom symbol, and I was like, oh,
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Speaker 6: and me, it's just being my quirky, weird self.
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Speaker 7: I'm like, we need to name it blah blah blah,
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Speaker 7: let's call it Carl with a K.
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Speaker 6: And you know, the front desk girl was like, yeah, okay, whatever,
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Speaker 6: you know.
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Speaker 7: So I take my guest back.
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Speaker 6: I get her into the pedicure chair and she starts crying,
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Speaker 6: like she's just bawling, and I'm like, oh my gosh.
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Speaker 6: I'm like, what is wrong? Like, are you okay? What's
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Speaker 6: the matter? And she's like, my mom and I are
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Speaker 6: here and a year ago today my dad passed away
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Speaker 6: and his name was Carl with a K.
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Speaker 7: And I was like, shut the fuck up.
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Speaker 5: That was too weird, that is.
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Speaker 7: And I was like, okay, So again, I don't know if.
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Speaker 6: That's necessarily paranormal per se, but I do feel strongly.
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Speaker 9: Like something chronistic.
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Speaker 7: Chronicity was going on.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's fascinating because when you talk about basement
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Speaker 1: and is the what our basements? Right it's, uh, it's
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Speaker 1: like we stored all the things that we don't want
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Speaker 1: to deal with right away in basements, it seems like,
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Speaker 1: and so it's like an also basement, like it's like
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Speaker 1: the unconscious mind. It's our temple's unconscious mind that we
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Speaker 1: walk into kind of like a cave. And so it's
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Speaker 1: interesting that then we all have this internal fear for
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Speaker 1: those things, you know.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, same as being afraid of the dark, right right, Yeah,
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Speaker 5: it's like you just see what your mind doesn't want
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Speaker 5: to see.
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Speaker 3: So, yeah, I was covering on it was covering uh,
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Speaker 3: colors and stuff and how they affect you. I mean
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Speaker 3: something like that with the black room, like you know,
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Speaker 3: I don't know, but like you know, you know, all
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Speaker 3: white or all black will actually like affect certain shit
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Speaker 3: in your eyes, which will make your brain feel certain ways.
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Speaker 2: So I'm wondering if that even has something to do
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Speaker 2: with it.
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Speaker 3: But you know, that is interesting, like what what makes
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Speaker 3: you start getting like all paranoid?
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Speaker 2: Right? Is it really like, I don't know, is there
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Speaker 2: something around you that's making you feel like that too.
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Speaker 4: I think that the cones and the rods in your
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Speaker 4: eyes when it's pure white or pure black, you start
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Speaker 4: to see the functioning of the cones and the rods
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Speaker 4: and you start to have like stimulated created hallucination your
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Speaker 4: own subconscious that start to interject into your mind.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the black, you'll start doing that.
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Speaker 3: If it's all white, you'll fucking lose it because it's
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Speaker 3: almost like no detail of nowhere for you to anchor,
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Speaker 3: like where the head is, and you'll actually lose it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Also, like the term mysteries, like all these mystery schools
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Speaker 1: and the caves and all those things, when we enter
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Speaker 1: into them, the blackness and that darkness what it does
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Speaker 1: is and why also you want to close your eyes
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Speaker 1: when you're going into these things is because that mistays,
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Speaker 1: meaning like behind closed eyes, we can project our unconscious
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Speaker 1: onto that darkness. And then most of the time due
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Speaker 1: to us not having uh gone through our traumas enough,
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Speaker 1: well then we'll project these demon slash paranormal slash, these
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Speaker 1: experiences onto the darkness. And then it's like we almost
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Speaker 1: have to take our sword of reason and intellect and
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Speaker 1: and you know, the wand of intuition to be able
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Speaker 1: to battle the dragons and the demons on the wall
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Speaker 1: type of thing.
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Speaker 5: That's how I like that though, I like it.
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Speaker 2: That's interesting. Yeah, well, our eyes do project six feet too,
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Speaker 2: so star uh.
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Speaker 3: I guess on your on your journey of doing this podcast,
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Speaker 3: what was was there like a case that maybe you knew,
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Speaker 3: like when you want to start this, start your show,
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Speaker 3: was there some stuff that you already had in mind?
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Speaker 3: Like I definitely got to talk about this.
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Speaker 2: Yes, was that you want to talk You want to
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Speaker 2: talk about one of those?
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: The biggest one that stood out is I heard this
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Speaker 6: story of encephalitis lethargica, and I was like, shut up,
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Speaker 6: that's actually real.
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Speaker 7: I was like, holy cow.
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Speaker 6: So it's this truly terrifying thing that happened. Where what
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Speaker 6: would happen?
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Speaker 7: Is you?
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Speaker 6: Do you remember the movie Awakenings with Robin Williams and
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Speaker 6: Robert de Niro? Do you remember that movie back in like,
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Speaker 6: oh gosh, that was like late eighties, early nineties sometime
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Speaker 6: in there.
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Speaker 2: No, I don't remember that actually.
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Speaker 6: Okay, So Robin Williams plays this guy, this doctor who
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Speaker 6: discovers this these group of people that are in like
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Speaker 6: a mental institution asylum.
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Speaker 7: If you will.
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Speaker 6: And they cannot move, they cannot speak, They're fully conscious,
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Speaker 6: they know everything that's going on around them, but they
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Speaker 6: can't do anything. They can't move, they can't do anything.
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Speaker 6: And so it's this weird pandemic that happened. And I
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Speaker 6: want to say it was right after World War one
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Speaker 6: if I remember correctly, because this was probably one of
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Speaker 6: my I think this was like my second episode in
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Speaker 6: my podcast, and I just could not believe the fact
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Speaker 6: that it arrived so quickly and it vanished. And what's
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Speaker 6: so weird is people would come, they would get better,
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Speaker 6: and then all of a sudden, it would come back,
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Speaker 6: and they would stay like that and they would have
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Speaker 6: no way of getting out of it, communicating until this
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Speaker 6: doctor came along and started realizing a connection and a
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Speaker 6: pattern and he started I can't remember offhand what he
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Speaker 6: was dosing the patients with, but it helped them to
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Speaker 6: snap out of it, only to make it worse in
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Speaker 6: the long run. But eventually this disease went away, and
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Speaker 6: nobody knows what caused it, nobody knows where it came from,
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Speaker 6: and it could come back at any time. And that
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Speaker 6: scared the living crap out of me. I'm like, that's
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Speaker 6: worse than what we went through with COVID. I'm like,
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Speaker 6: that would be terrifying to be able to look at
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Speaker 6: yourself in the mirror and be like, I can't move
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Speaker 6: and I can't speak, and I can barely even blink,
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Speaker 6: Like that would be terrifying.
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Speaker 9: Oh for fish poisoning.
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Speaker 5: That's fascinating.
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Speaker 1: I took too much Mullen once because I had a
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Speaker 1: like bad lung thing that happened and where I couldn't
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Speaker 1: breathe supposedly, if you smoked much cannabis and you're young,
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden you get long issues. Not the point,
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Speaker 1: but it's such a fascinating thing. Where then I took
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Speaker 1: a little a Mulling tincture because that's supposed to help
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Speaker 1: with your lungs.
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Speaker 5: And what I.
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Speaker 1: Did is you're supposed to take just a few drops.
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Speaker 1: I drank the whole bottle. I was like, I need
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Speaker 1: to get this gone. I went home from working and
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Speaker 1: I laid down, and at that time, in my younger twenties,
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Speaker 1: I still love bone thungs at harmony.
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Speaker 5: Not the point.
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Speaker 1: I turned on some bone thung in Harmony, and as
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Speaker 1: I was listening to that, and then I went my
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Speaker 1: body started vibrating, and I went into a hypnagogic state
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Speaker 1: where your body becomes paralyzed. And at that same time,
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Speaker 1: I could I was still listening to the beautiful rhythm
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Speaker 1: of Botha because it's that base and that rhythm and
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Speaker 1: their hypnotic chanting that they do with the rhythms, and
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I had like a dream state
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Speaker 1: where I could still be aware of my consciousness and
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Speaker 1: I witnessed like a dark figure that was beside.
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Speaker 5: Me, but I couldn't see it.
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Speaker 1: So your story actually highly makes me feel of what
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Speaker 1: I felt when I was going through my own little
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Speaker 1: hypnagogic paralyzed. But I can still think and be aware.
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Speaker 1: What is the dark being? Is it my own projection?
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Speaker 1: Is it actually a demon? Is it because of what
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Speaker 1: I did earlier? You know what I mean?
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Speaker 10: So it's uh, it's fascinating went through sleep perhaps, Yeah,
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Speaker 10: that's fascinating.
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Speaker 3: I know I had mentioned earlier before you came on,
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Speaker 3: I thought that a Lithuania case was kind of interesting.
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Speaker 5: Oh gosh.
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Speaker 3: And I know it's also a newer one for you too,
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Speaker 3: so it might be easier to talk about.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, the Hill of Crosses is so wild.
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Speaker 6: That is that got the fact that that got bulldozed
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Speaker 6: three times.
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Speaker 7: By the Soviets and each time, like.
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Speaker 6: Those those crosses kept coming back, and it is so
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Speaker 6: wild to me, Like I never understood either when I
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Speaker 6: was going through that case.
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Speaker 7: I'm like, why did they want it gone so badly?
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Speaker 6: Like that was the weird part to me too, but
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Speaker 6: the fact that people go there and it's like this
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Speaker 6: hush that falls over the crowd, and it's not it's
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Speaker 6: not a cemetery, it's not really big. It's this like
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Speaker 6: literally it's just this hill that's maybe thirty feet eat
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Speaker 6: and it is just covered with like hundreds of thousands
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Speaker 6: of crosses that like lay on top of each.
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Speaker 7: Other over and over again.
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Speaker 6: And people report like weird optical hallucinations, and they hear
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Speaker 6: things that they think are it like there, but they're not.
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Speaker 6: And they'll notice crosses that they didn't notice like the
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Speaker 6: first time. And it's just an incredibly overwhelming site to
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Speaker 6: go visit. And I would, seriously, I would love to
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Speaker 6: go visit it.
18:31
Speaker 7: I think it would.
18:31
Speaker 6: It's definitely on my bucket list. But you know, got
18:34
Speaker 6: to update the passport and shit.
18:36
Speaker 4: So what year did all this happen, As far as
18:39
Speaker 4: the Soviet's trying to cloud.
18:42
Speaker 6: That happened, gosh, I want to say that was in
18:45
Speaker 6: the Did they do that in the thirties or the seventies.
18:49
Speaker 6: I got a quick look at my notes, which I
18:51
Speaker 6: do have them, So hang on one second, we're.
18:54
Speaker 2: Of the police too. See the image of it.
19:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, that I thought, you know what I'm even wondering
19:04
Speaker 3: about now and I didn't wasn't thinking about it before.
19:06
Speaker 2: And you mentioned, uh, a hill it is it? Could
19:10
Speaker 2: it maybe be on a on a a mound? Actually
19:16
Speaker 2: that was the.
19:16
Speaker 7: Thought that that also came up it.
19:19
Speaker 6: I didn't discover anything directly, but the initial first bulldozing
19:23
Speaker 6: happened in nineteen sixty one.
19:29
Speaker 5: Jesus.
19:30
Speaker 3: It's almost like, uh, like oh, blood wish esque type of.
19:34
Speaker 4: Oh it is just the rugged, the angular momentum of
19:38
Speaker 4: it all. Now, there's a town in New Mexico that
19:42
Speaker 4: I drove through that had the entire town every yard
19:46
Speaker 4: had but they were very colorful and kind of Day
19:49
Speaker 4: of the Dead kind of But yeah, this is, uh,
19:52
Speaker 4: this is some creepy shit.
19:57
Speaker 7: Indeed, it really is.
19:59
Speaker 6: And I can even imagine, like can you imagine just
20:02
Speaker 6: standing in that spot and taking that all in like
20:06
Speaker 6: that would just be so overwhelming of itself. Like people
20:10
Speaker 6: have said that they feel very uneasy, they feel either
20:15
Speaker 6: overwhelmed by like sadness, Like there's a lot of and
20:20
Speaker 6: I'm a big believer in residual energy, and I think
20:23
Speaker 6: there's probably a lot of residual energy in that spot
20:28
Speaker 6: and it does look like a mound.
20:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was saying, right, I mean it's
20:33
Speaker 3: going up high it afterwhere maybe.
20:35
Speaker 4: Yeah, you just have to wonder what was there and
20:38
Speaker 4: you know, time before time.
20:42
Speaker 5: Yeah, get you get the archetype of the cross, and
20:45
Speaker 5: it definitely doesn't help with the energy right.
20:48
Speaker 4: Right, It's like, are they trying to keep something regulated
20:52
Speaker 4: or they're trying to keep something bound.
20:55
Speaker 9: They're trying to you.
20:56
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, it's got that Cathonic style energy, very Craftian
21:01
Speaker 1: binding it in underneath that mound.
21:03
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely right, it's.
21:05
Speaker 2: Got pet cemetery vibes.
21:13
Speaker 4: But you know, there was a perpetual need for them
21:16
Speaker 4: to feel like they needed to go back and redo
21:20
Speaker 4: it time after time.
21:23
Speaker 5: It's kind of like when people go to bridges and
21:25
Speaker 5: some of them have people doing locks the blocks for
21:28
Speaker 5: their relationship stuff. But then it maybe just one person started,
21:31
Speaker 5: but then you have another one and another one.
21:34
Speaker 4: Tons of thing like piling rocks on the trails and
21:37
Speaker 4: certain news. You know, it's people do strange accumulations of
21:43
Speaker 4: objects in different places.
21:45
Speaker 5: Yeah.
21:46
Speaker 1: Putting their sacrifice next to the great sacrifice at the top.
21:49
Speaker 5: Of the mountain, right, Yeah, definitely.
21:54
Speaker 1: Crazy. How did you find when you were researching this?
21:56
Speaker 1: How did you find this?
21:58
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh?
21:58
Speaker 6: Okay, So it initially came through via Instagram and it
22:06
Speaker 6: was just like a quick little like Caro ofusel thing
22:09
Speaker 6: on it, and I.
22:10
Speaker 7: Was like, all right, is this ai or is this
22:14
Speaker 7: you know what I mean?
22:16
Speaker 6: And so I started researching and then with anything, I
22:20
Speaker 6: start falling down the rabbit hole and I was like,
22:22
Speaker 6: oh my gosh, it is real, and then I just
22:26
Speaker 6: it came from that. It initially started as a as
22:29
Speaker 6: a weird like thing that popped in my feet on Instagram?
22:33
Speaker 5: Interesting?
22:34
Speaker 1: And then is this right outside of I'm sorry if
22:36
Speaker 1: I missed you saying it? Is this right outside of
22:37
Speaker 1: town in Lithuania? Or where? How do you get to this?
22:41
Speaker 7: Yeah? So how you get to it? That's a really
22:44
Speaker 7: good question that I do not have an answer for.
22:48
Speaker 7: But let's see it.
22:52
Speaker 6: Like, I know that it's in a town that I
22:55
Speaker 6: cannot pronounce because I told which the name even in
22:59
Speaker 6: the podcast. But yeah, it's like right outside of of
23:05
Speaker 6: Lithuania itself.
23:07
Speaker 7: Okay, cool, I think you see it? Is it villainous?
23:16
Speaker 7: It's spelled v I L l I n U.
23:18
Speaker 6: S Yeah again, I'm probably butchering that, right.
23:27
Speaker 5: I'm Chris to know from start, like, what is the
23:29
Speaker 5: story that you feel like was the creepiest from your
23:33
Speaker 5: show if you have like the from the top of your.
23:35
Speaker 6: Head, Oh my gosh, the story in my own state,
23:40
Speaker 6: Saint Asians is by far the creepiest. That is the
23:43
Speaker 6: creepiest freaking story ever. And I would probably say a
23:47
Speaker 6: very close second to that is the story on the
23:50
Speaker 6: Lamb funeral home. Those two are the Saint Asians is like,
23:56
Speaker 6: if I can be really really direct on this, that story,
24:00
Speaker 6: he's fucked.
24:00
Speaker 7: Like, So, what happened was this guy who was a.
24:05
Speaker 6: Priest over in Germany, took about thirteen followers, brought them
24:10
Speaker 6: over into Wisconsin, and they roamed and found an albino
24:16
Speaker 6: cow in the middle of East Jesus nowhere and decided
24:21
Speaker 6: to build this commune and live sustainably. Because the priest
24:26
Speaker 6: got kicked out of Germany for his beliefs and all
24:30
Speaker 6: of this stuff, so he forms this like religious colony.
24:34
Speaker 6: Everything is wonderful and great. He's got all these different
24:37
Speaker 6: predictions until he's dying on his deathbed and he is
24:42
Speaker 6: like blessing people in his like catatonic state because he's
24:47
Speaker 6: dying and dismissing them. And then in the whole town
24:51
Speaker 6: and this is documented, the whole town on his death
24:55
Speaker 6: starts to shake and walls start to vibrate, and there's
24:59
Speaker 6: all this like kinetic energy happening in town, and all
25:05
Speaker 6: of a sudden, everything just like goes completely silent, and
25:08
Speaker 6: he's gone, and I'm like, this is so weird, like
25:13
Speaker 6: it's And I have had people tell me too that
25:16
Speaker 6: have been there that when they go into like the
25:18
Speaker 6: because there was a school, there was JFK Prep, there
25:22
Speaker 6: was the Church for Saint Nasians, there were rumors and
25:27
Speaker 6: I can't this was I could neither confirm nor deny
25:31
Speaker 6: this to be true or not true. But there were
25:33
Speaker 6: alleged rumors that the nuns of the JFK Prep would
25:41
Speaker 6: take children who were quote unquote naughty or misbehaving and
25:46
Speaker 6: they would try to drown them in the lake that
25:50
Speaker 6: was nearby. And I've had someone tell me that they
25:54
Speaker 6: broke into the JFK Prep to like, you know, snoop
25:57
Speaker 6: around whatever, and they said that they had the weirdest experiences.
26:02
Speaker 6: And I said, well, were you high, were you drinking?
26:04
Speaker 6: Like what was going on and he's like, no way,
26:06
Speaker 6: I was totally sober, none of the kind. But I
26:09
Speaker 6: was in that hallway in the in the basement, and
26:12
Speaker 6: it felt like the halt just kept going, Like it
26:16
Speaker 6: was like like that elongating effect that you see in
26:20
Speaker 6: like movies where it's just kept going until he finally
26:23
Speaker 6: reached a room and he found this room where there.
26:26
Speaker 7: Was like all these belts, all these like.
26:31
Speaker 6: Yardwork tools and like just sharp objects.
26:35
Speaker 7: And then he like skipped over and went into the.
26:38
Speaker 6: Bell tower of the church and the bell was removed, like, oh,
26:45
Speaker 6: I don't even know how long ago, but it was removed.
26:47
Speaker 6: And he says he swears that he could hear the
26:49
Speaker 6: bell ring. Of course he saw something in the tower,
26:53
Speaker 6: but he doesn't know what it was. He said it
26:54
Speaker 6: was totally a shadow figure. I'm like, that's creepy. I'm like,
26:58
Speaker 6: that's definitely creepy.
27:01
Speaker 2: Wow.
27:01
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they remove bells because one of the conspiracies
27:06
Speaker 1: slash stories is they remove the bells across the world
27:09
Speaker 1: certain kind of frequencies that would cleanse cities and states
27:13
Speaker 1: and areas, and so there was one big like movement
27:17
Speaker 1: to get rid of these bells. So then maybe think
27:21
Speaker 1: crazy shit like that could happen.
27:23
Speaker 7: Wow, that's interesting. I did not know that.
27:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, and definitely that's like a rabbit hole you can
27:28
Speaker 1: fall down into, very similar to like mud flood rabbit
27:32
Speaker 1: holes as well as like the children on the trains
27:37
Speaker 1: and the eighteen hundreds and so yeah, cleansing of areas.
27:41
Speaker 1: That's why they would One theory is they would put
27:44
Speaker 1: bells in cities to be able to cleanse the cities
27:48
Speaker 1: of forces and natural forces that.
27:50
Speaker 5: May be more pro you know, primal.
27:53
Speaker 4: And also along with that the Greece from the bells
28:00
Speaker 4: after by witches because it held certain resonant vibration and
28:06
Speaker 4: it was like one of the most highly like powerful
28:09
Speaker 4: ointments and things that they would use in uh from
28:14
Speaker 4: from you know, churches specifically.
28:16
Speaker 5: That's fascinating.
28:17
Speaker 7: Yeah, that is really interesting.
28:19
Speaker 2: Wow.
28:20
Speaker 1: So that just disappeared.
28:22
Speaker 7: Yeah, like he well he wound up dying.
28:24
Speaker 1: Ah before or after he disappeared?
28:28
Speaker 7: Oh no, this was like he died like in that town.
28:32
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, and then all that when all that like
28:35
Speaker 6: vibration and all that kinetic energy happening upon his death.
28:40
Speaker 1: So I know this is you are my asking you
28:43
Speaker 1: of your what do you do you think he was evil.
28:45
Speaker 1: Do you think he was doing some shady ship or
28:46
Speaker 1: like what?
28:47
Speaker 5: Uh?
28:47
Speaker 6: I think he was definitely into some shady ship, I
28:51
Speaker 6: really do.
28:51
Speaker 7: I'm like, something doesn't totally measure up in the story, huh.
28:56
Speaker 6: And I don't think his deeds were were of a
29:02
Speaker 6: of a necessarily of a good heart. I think there
29:05
Speaker 6: was something else going on entirely.
29:08
Speaker 1: And because I mean, you.
29:09
Speaker 6: Got kicked out of Gervity, you got kicked out of
29:11
Speaker 6: your own like something's not right, you know.
29:16
Speaker 8: Like.
29:18
Speaker 1: Interesting? Do you know what denomination was this priest?
29:21
Speaker 7: Catholic?
29:22
Speaker 5: Is Catholic?
29:22
Speaker 2: Nice?
29:23
Speaker 1: And then where did he move to? Where was he?
29:26
Speaker 6: So it's in Wisconsin and he wound up being like
29:30
Speaker 6: one of the big founders of that town. And to
29:33
Speaker 6: this day, like that town is definitely creepy to this day,
29:39
Speaker 6: like it's not one that you want to drive through.
29:42
Speaker 6: Like I think there's maybe about six hundred people there
29:46
Speaker 6: that are are still living there, but a lot of
29:48
Speaker 6: the town.
29:49
Speaker 7: Is like boarded up. It looks very ghost towny.
29:52
Speaker 5: What was the town?
29:53
Speaker 7: It's Saint Asians.
29:55
Speaker 1: And where's that near.
29:57
Speaker 6: Uh Okay hang on uh Manut's Walk.
30:00
Speaker 7: It's near Manuttwak.
30:01
Speaker 1: Okay, I know where that is nice. I'm not disclosing
30:04
Speaker 1: where I'm at, but I'm in the Midwest, and so
30:07
Speaker 1: I've traveled around Wisconsin, and I'm just telling you right
30:10
Speaker 1: now from what I know Wisconsin. All you Wisconsin It's
30:13
Speaker 1: are probably great people. That's some shady shit in that state.
30:17
Speaker 1: I have traveled into the forests of Wisconsin and just
30:21
Speaker 1: getting to like say Lake Superior and going to small
30:24
Speaker 1: towns or traveling across it. You will travel in the forest.
30:27
Speaker 1: Not only have I seen a bear. Bears are cool.
30:30
Speaker 1: But then all of a sudden, I see like a
30:33
Speaker 1: minimum maintenance road that leads into a forest. And then
30:36
Speaker 1: above that driveway to get into this forest, there is
30:41
Speaker 1: a wire across, probably for electricity.
30:43
Speaker 5: It's electrical wire.
30:44
Speaker 1: But then there are like red sashes and different things
30:49
Speaker 1: that are like showing you, hey, maybe you should or
30:52
Speaker 1: shouldn't travel down that road. And I'm not the only
30:55
Speaker 1: one who saw it. My girlfriend was with me when
30:56
Speaker 1: we saw it, and we're like and we're let's just
30:59
Speaker 1: say part of this this thinking community of you know,
31:03
Speaker 1: the occult, conspiracy, paranormal, and so we instant are like,
31:07
Speaker 1: holy shit, there's some child sacrifice going on or some
31:09
Speaker 1: shit going on down there, you know what I'm saying.
31:13
Speaker 6: I know there was this thing where we were coming
31:15
Speaker 6: back from up North from because I'm like, I'm not
31:20
Speaker 6: that far away from from being near the up.
31:23
Speaker 7: It takes me about three hours to get up to
31:25
Speaker 7: the up.
31:25
Speaker 1: Oh nice.
31:26
Speaker 6: Nice, And so I'm in a pretty rural area anyway,
31:30
Speaker 6: which the town that I live in is also known
31:32
Speaker 6: for a cult. It's also known for the cult here
31:37
Speaker 6: was was really predominant, predominant. At one point, there was
31:41
Speaker 6: an attempted assassination on the mayor in this town. There's
31:46
Speaker 6: also I just did an episode on the Novitiate, which
31:49
Speaker 6: is a very interesting story as well, where there was
31:52
Speaker 6: like a thirty four day standoff along with really a
31:56
Speaker 6: whole bunch of tragedy. But I've heard too that. So
32:01
Speaker 6: my point is, we went on this trip and we
32:03
Speaker 6: were coming back from the up and we wanted to
32:04
Speaker 6: go see these falls because, as you know, in the North,
32:08
Speaker 6: there's a bunch of like different waterfalls, hiking areas, all
32:11
Speaker 6: that kind of stuff.
32:12
Speaker 1: It's gorgeous. It's gorgeous it is, so we're like.
32:15
Speaker 6: Oh, we'll go, we'll go hit twelve foot falls I'm
32:18
Speaker 6: like that sounds cool. Well, I am telling you never
32:21
Speaker 6: have I ever been more terrified because it turned into
32:24
Speaker 6: like this crazy dirt road and I looked at my husband.
32:28
Speaker 6: I'm like, this is where people go.
32:29
Speaker 7: To like stash bodies.
32:31
Speaker 6: I'm telling you this like right now, like this is
32:33
Speaker 6: a creepy as I'll get out. I've got weird vibes.
32:35
Speaker 6: I kind of want to turn around because there was
32:38
Speaker 6: no road. It was just gravel to get you into
32:41
Speaker 6: this hiking area and there's no markings.
32:45
Speaker 7: No nothing. I'm like, this is I don't like it.
32:49
Speaker 7: That's the direction.
32:51
Speaker 1: It's strange out there. We were out there doing an expo.
32:55
Speaker 1: My girlfriend was doing an expo out there, Holistic Expo,
32:58
Speaker 1: and we stayed in an ARABNBA. I can't remember the
33:00
Speaker 1: city name, but it's the We went for a walk
33:05
Speaker 1: like we always do everywhere we go, and we're walking
33:07
Speaker 1: around and all of a sudden we come across like
33:10
Speaker 1: a playground slash old grain bin area that was formulated
33:14
Speaker 1: to look exactly like Stonehenge.
33:17
Speaker 7: Weird.
33:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm not lying, I'm lying.
33:21
Speaker 2: I'm dying.
33:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, that shit was. It was crazy. And then not
33:24
Speaker 1: too far along there was like a wedding dance venue
33:26
Speaker 1: where they were doing, you know, playing their normal Midwestern
33:29
Speaker 1: country wedding dance things. And so it's just such a
33:32
Speaker 1: fascinating like stumbling upon this little site that you could tell,
33:37
Speaker 1: you know, I'm from farm country, so I could tell
33:38
Speaker 1: it's instantly like an old grain bins that was structured down,
33:42
Speaker 1: and then there's kids playgrounds and then you you instantly
33:45
Speaker 1: I'm all like, that's you know, we both are like
33:47
Speaker 1: that's an old Stonehenge site.
33:48
Speaker 5: That's something's going on.
33:50
Speaker 2: Yeah.
33:50
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's so intriguing. How like in the US, it
33:54
Speaker 5: seems like these kind of stories pop up so much.
33:58
Speaker 5: You know, I don't first and ple from Brazil. There
34:02
Speaker 5: is there are some crazy stories, but usually they are
34:06
Speaker 5: more related to you know, like actual things going on
34:09
Speaker 5: or or there there are like religious aspects to them
34:12
Speaker 5: or whatever. Right, so you can you could say like, oh, yeah,
34:15
Speaker 5: the person is having the kind of religious experience. But
34:18
Speaker 5: in the US, I know, it seems it's more of
34:20
Speaker 5: a general like if someone doesn't even believe in anything,
34:23
Speaker 5: they'll just be around like a poultry is.
34:28
Speaker 4: So for thirty thirty five years now, I've been traveling
34:31
Speaker 4: all across the country, like I don't know, six to
34:34
Speaker 4: nine months out of the year, and I run across
34:37
Speaker 4: weird places.
34:38
Speaker 9: Everywhere we go.
34:39
Speaker 4: Everywhere we go has some strain, and a lot of times,
34:43
Speaker 4: you know, when we get a freaky vibe, we're like, okay,
34:47
Speaker 4: we're owskis and and you know, some of those back
34:50
Speaker 4: roads though, you get back into some of those hills
34:52
Speaker 4: and those service roads, and I mean those are some.
34:55
Speaker 9: Of the most peaceful quiet.
34:57
Speaker 4: But like I said, some places you just we super
35:01
Speaker 4: weird vibe and you know it's just best to keep driving.
35:05
Speaker 5: So yeah, one for example, you might want to check
35:10
Speaker 5: that out afterwards. It's uh, I'll put up the name
35:14
Speaker 5: and the chat afterwards. But in portugit is called that shalling.
35:17
Speaker 5: It would be like seven beyond or something like that.
35:20
Speaker 5: So it started I think back in before even like
35:24
Speaker 5: Facebook or something. It was like another social media and
35:29
Speaker 5: they it's like one person talked about this. It could
35:31
Speaker 5: even be that they faked it. But then after they
35:33
Speaker 5: said it, then people started having actual experiences with that
35:37
Speaker 5: thing where it's supposed to be like you take you
35:40
Speaker 5: take like a side road or like a side street
35:43
Speaker 5: or whatever while walking and then you end up in
35:45
Speaker 5: this kind of parallel dimension where it's like it's kind
35:49
Speaker 5: of like in between, you know, so it's not even
35:52
Speaker 5: here but not also like that, it's just like this
35:55
Speaker 5: in between place and weird people and then they somehow
35:59
Speaker 5: can like go back from there. But then it becomes
36:02
Speaker 5: against after people start talking about it, then some people
36:06
Speaker 5: actually have the experience, you know, so it's kind of
36:09
Speaker 5: like it becomes a thing. I'll the name of.
36:14
Speaker 4: The double slit experiment, you know, the future effect in
36:19
Speaker 4: the past.
36:22
Speaker 5: So so like weird then also like both stories and
36:26
Speaker 5: then they kind of start mashing or even after we
36:29
Speaker 5: start getting some new technology, then new folks stories have
36:34
Speaker 5: to come, right because now let's say we don't we
36:36
Speaker 5: don't do a bunch of stuff that we used to do,
36:38
Speaker 5: so right, Yeah, that's true.
36:43
Speaker 3: That's interesting way just to hear then not to get
36:46
Speaker 3: it to do it too much. But I mean you
36:48
Speaker 3: could see like that might be folk tales. I mean,
36:50
Speaker 3: I hope they don't continue, but like you got people
36:53
Speaker 3: say that there was gonna be zombies coming out around
36:55
Speaker 3: COVID nineteen, you know.
36:57
Speaker 2: What I'm saying.
36:57
Speaker 3: So I mean, like you know, you can get folks
36:59
Speaker 3: tells from the stupid theories on fucking then. I mean,
37:03
Speaker 3: even like I've even covered I'm not saying I got
37:05
Speaker 3: it totally right, but even when I covered vampires, I
37:08
Speaker 3: think there's a good case that that was you rabies
37:11
Speaker 3: and TV scare that the church and the law figured
37:14
Speaker 3: out a way to calm people down, and this is
37:16
Speaker 3: what they did.
37:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and now and now we have.
37:18
Speaker 1: A little things and then all of a sudden they
37:22
Speaker 1: take them over, and that's their parasitic nature of being
37:25
Speaker 1: able to control those things to feed off of it.
37:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely one thing you know you had mentioned before.
37:31
Speaker 3: I hate to go back, but to that place, the
37:33
Speaker 3: hill with the crosses, and I guess even like maybe
37:36
Speaker 3: this has something to do with like other places too.
37:38
Speaker 3: But I think you were saying in your show when
37:41
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, that sounds like such a magician
37:42
Speaker 3: type way of looking at it or inn ocult this
37:45
Speaker 3: way of looking at it. All these people believing something
37:48
Speaker 3: is up with it? Could you eventually just like all
37:51
Speaker 3: those minds thinking that, could you create something regardless?
37:55
Speaker 6: Oh yes, yes, I was just gonna say that. You know,
37:59
Speaker 6: I think it's absolutely possible. I think manifestation is totally real.
38:04
Speaker 6: I think our minds can create a lot of different things.
38:07
Speaker 6: And honestly, I think you can create anything if you
38:10
Speaker 6: believe in it, and I think it's absolutely possible. There
38:13
Speaker 6: was actually a documented study up in Canada and it
38:19
Speaker 6: was I think it was British Columbia if I remember exactly.
38:22
Speaker 7: But they were talking.
38:23
Speaker 6: About how they did the it's called the Phillip experiment
38:26
Speaker 6: and you can you can look it up. And they
38:29
Speaker 6: tried to create this fake ghost, so to speak, and
38:33
Speaker 6: it wound up having actual reality to it, and they
38:39
Speaker 6: and it got out of hand and they didn't know
38:41
Speaker 6: how to contain it. And I'm like, that's insane, Like
38:44
Speaker 6: you actually physically manifested something into existence, Like that's wild.
38:50
Speaker 9: Do you know about the slender Man?
38:52
Speaker 7: I do know about the slender Man?
38:54
Speaker 6: The slender Man is crazy, right, That that story briefly
38:59
Speaker 6: peaked up in one of my episodes when I talked
39:02
Speaker 6: about the Winnebago Asylum and that that story is just wild.
39:07
Speaker 6: Those two girls and how that all happened, It's just
39:10
Speaker 6: that's unbelievable.
39:12
Speaker 4: They ended up tracing that back and it was actually
39:14
Speaker 4: related to an Air Force contract and a lot of
39:18
Speaker 4: people think it was a sy op that they were
39:20
Speaker 4: actually trying to create aggregors within popular culture. And you
39:26
Speaker 4: know they started the kids started seeing this figure coming,
39:29
Speaker 4: you know, out of the woods.
39:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fascinating. There is actually right now going on
39:36
Speaker 1: in the comic book world, a comic book called The
39:40
Speaker 1: Department of Truth, and I've been reading it. It's done
39:43
Speaker 1: by the guy by the name of James Tinian, the
39:46
Speaker 1: fourth I believe, third, fifth, whatever. But the point is
39:50
Speaker 1: the Department of Truth is all about he integrates and
39:52
Speaker 1: he himself, I don't believe is an occultist or a magician,
39:55
Speaker 1: a magician by trade only because he's a brilliant artist
39:58
Speaker 1: or writer. So that's my But he has done a
40:01
Speaker 1: lot of you can tell he's done a lot of
40:04
Speaker 1: researchers study into various conspiracies and occult traditions and magical
40:10
Speaker 1: individuals through time. And just a quick premise is that
40:13
Speaker 1: it's about that there are two departments, the Department of Truth,
40:16
Speaker 1: which is the United States government's Black Department, Black Ops department,
40:20
Speaker 1: and then there's the Department of Propaganda, which is the
40:23
Speaker 1: Russian one that was going on during the Cold War
40:27
Speaker 1: time frame. And what they are saying is is that
40:32
Speaker 1: the universe has these principles that basis, if enough people
40:36
Speaker 1: think about it, have enough people believe in it, it
40:39
Speaker 1: actually is created. And so for instance, like the moon landing,
40:43
Speaker 1: and they didn't actually in this, they say they didn't
40:46
Speaker 1: actually land on the moon, but what ended up happening
40:49
Speaker 1: is enough people believed in it. They created enough propaganda,
40:52
Speaker 1: this Department of Truth, created enough happenstance, put it out
40:55
Speaker 1: in there with standard Kubrick and all these things, that
40:58
Speaker 1: then it actually happen. And so they didn't actually have
41:01
Speaker 1: to go there, They just all of a sudden were
41:03
Speaker 1: there with the correct everything going on. It's the same
41:06
Speaker 1: thing with the Ice Wall, the Flat Earth, slender Man, Babylon,
41:12
Speaker 1: the Integrates, Elvestra Croley, and the magical societies of the
41:16
Speaker 1: Hermetic Order of the gold Don going all the way back,
41:18
Speaker 1: and all these things. And so I find it interesting
41:20
Speaker 1: that if, as they said in this, if you put
41:25
Speaker 1: out there a syop or you have enough information to
41:29
Speaker 1: push onto people, you especially little kids through TV shows,
41:33
Speaker 1: that then you can get kids to create these eggrigors
41:37
Speaker 1: because they are of innocence and they are connected to
41:40
Speaker 1: the psychic goop, cosmic cosmic goopiness that then that is
41:45
Speaker 1: created like Sasquatch and all these different things, and then
41:49
Speaker 1: they have in this department, like the Black Ops and
41:53
Speaker 1: the men in Black to go out there to try
41:54
Speaker 1: to take care of these things, get rid of certain
41:56
Speaker 1: stuff because you don't want something to go out of
42:00
Speaker 1: skew that you can't control it. So it reminds me
42:03
Speaker 1: of like these certain happenstances of enough people believing in
42:06
Speaker 1: it that than it actually exists.
42:09
Speaker 7: And kids are so they're so open, they're so open.
42:13
Speaker 6: I'm a parent, like, I like, I can tell it's
42:17
Speaker 6: crazy if I if I'm just trying, Not that I
42:19
Speaker 6: would ever deliberately do this, but you can easily tell
42:23
Speaker 6: a kid something and they're going to take it at
42:24
Speaker 6: face value. If they're young enough, you know what I mean,
42:27
Speaker 6: they're going to believe you. And it's like that, it's
42:30
Speaker 6: they're so susceptible. They're so susceptible. That's the same thing too,
42:34
Speaker 6: Like when you hear about kids who end up having
42:37
Speaker 6: kids tend to be more poltergeist like, oh yeah, entangled
42:44
Speaker 6: then then like an adult would be. And it's so
42:47
Speaker 6: interesting to me. I'm like, it's always the kids and
42:49
Speaker 6: I'm like, it's got to be because they're so open.
42:52
Speaker 5: Right, yeah, they're like in transition still.
42:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that reminds me of a golden compass.
43:00
Speaker 8: Right.
43:00
Speaker 1: If you guys have ever read that book or watch that,
43:02
Speaker 1: it's the same thing, is that the kids are innocent.
43:05
Speaker 1: They are connected to that etheric energy a lot more.
43:08
Speaker 1: And that's what that main character, or one of the
43:10
Speaker 1: main bad guys want to do, is cut them off
43:12
Speaker 1: from that, because then that is like the blooming into adulthood.
43:16
Speaker 1: And then you scram somebody's belief structures through a certain
43:20
Speaker 1: rational way of thinking and logic, and then you know,
43:23
Speaker 1: they don't their damon's don't change anymore.
43:25
Speaker 5: You know, we have the Monster's inc. I think it's
43:28
Speaker 5: quite an English the movie as well.
43:30
Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, you.
43:36
Speaker 3: Know one thing, if you guys don't mind me, I
43:38
Speaker 3: just I looked it up real quick, and I just
43:41
Speaker 3: want to kind of like, I guess I want to
43:44
Speaker 3: kind of just like read a paragraph here just to
43:46
Speaker 3: make it understandable, like this fillip thing. I think when
43:49
Speaker 3: I read this for the people here that practice magic,
43:51
Speaker 3: you're going to be like, oh, I like it sounds
43:54
Speaker 3: like you're making a fucking aggrougu and it says their
43:57
Speaker 3: goals were to create a fictional character three purposeful method
44:00
Speaker 3: and then attempt to communicate with it through sands. The
44:03
Speaker 3: character was created and agreed upon. It was named Philip whatever.
44:06
Speaker 3: The Alsford or whatever referred to as Philip during the
44:10
Speaker 3: test his fistic His fictional history partially coincided with actual
44:14
Speaker 3: events in places, but put multiple contradictions in errors. I mean,
44:18
Speaker 3: besides all that, Like Timmy, like I remember if I
44:21
Speaker 3: when I made a servi tool and when I worked
44:23
Speaker 3: with servitors, I mean, that's exactly what I was doing.
44:26
Speaker 3: I was creating and constantly meditating on and during ritual
44:30
Speaker 3: work to create some sort of entity that I was
44:32
Speaker 3: then going to conversate with and tell her what to do.
44:35
Speaker 2: Yeah like that, I don't know. Just like hearing that
44:38
Speaker 2: and them saying that, I'm like, oh, this is totally
44:39
Speaker 2: fucking occult.
44:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that is so weird and like that shit,
44:44
Speaker 3: just like I just wanted a weird like that, Like
44:47
Speaker 3: how do you come up with that idea?
44:49
Speaker 9: Solemon?
44:50
Speaker 3: You know, because you've been used to doing that in
44:52
Speaker 3: other ways with magic, you know what I'm saying, Like,
44:55
Speaker 3: where did you get that idea? From probably from ritualistic shit.
44:59
Speaker 4: Yeah to you know, at least as far as we know.
45:04
Speaker 4: You know, so I'm sure it was going on before.
45:06
Speaker 4: But the biggest documented case is Solomon, you know, stumbling
45:10
Speaker 4: up these servitors.
45:12
Speaker 5: And but then if you think about it, even those
45:17
Speaker 5: stories themselves can be created, right given the example of
45:22
Speaker 5: the moon in the comic book you read your past.
45:26
Speaker 5: If you want to have like a like a magical thing,
45:30
Speaker 5: you're just saying, oh yeah, from this lineage from thousands
45:33
Speaker 5: of times, you make.
45:36
Speaker 4: That acceptable within the mindscape of the people that are
45:39
Speaker 4: reading it, that thereby manifests those aspects within their own realities.
45:44
Speaker 5: That's why a lot of like magical or not even
45:47
Speaker 5: necessarily magical, like spiritual groups will say that, oh no,
45:51
Speaker 5: actually Jesus was that thing, you know, he was actually
45:54
Speaker 5: from the you know they say the space Federation or whatever,
45:57
Speaker 5: or he was now related thing, because then it's well,
46:01
Speaker 5: here was it.
46:02
Speaker 1: Then he was part of the galactic federation of Palladians exactly.
46:06
Speaker 1: It is a Nordic alien.
46:12
Speaker 5: Crazy. That's crazy.
46:15
Speaker 1: Have you do you have any certain practices of your
46:18
Speaker 1: own star that help you cleanse yourself from all this
46:22
Speaker 1: crazy information? That's going into your your being as you
46:25
Speaker 1: go through these things.
46:27
Speaker 6: I'm a big believer in sage, Oh yeah, for sure.
46:33
Speaker 6: And yeah, I would say that is probably one of it,
46:38
Speaker 6: one of the things that I do to just kind
46:40
Speaker 6: of cleanse my palate in a sense. I also find
46:44
Speaker 6: that if I just like, if I not only sage myself,
46:48
Speaker 6: sage the room that I'm in where I've done the
46:51
Speaker 6: work and I've done the things, I find that if
46:53
Speaker 6: I leave and come back, it's a lot better if
46:58
Speaker 6: I take myself out of that equation. Yeah, and I
47:02
Speaker 6: always have to usually cleanse the palette with nature or
47:06
Speaker 6: I honestly believe it or not.
47:08
Speaker 7: Sometimes they just have to go to my comfort show.
47:11
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh I like that. Yeah, Yeah, that definitely makes sense.
47:14
Speaker 1: A lot of I think there's a big schism or
47:17
Speaker 1: like stigma in not only the occult community, but the
47:21
Speaker 1: paranormal community, the supernatural community, where I think we believe
47:26
Speaker 1: too much an authority, as in like the authority of
47:29
Speaker 1: who's giving a reading, or who thinks they're a psychic,
47:33
Speaker 1: or who thinks that they are a ghostbuster or sorts
47:37
Speaker 1: that I think it's really important that our own free
47:40
Speaker 1: agency and autonomy. We're actually designed to I think the
47:44
Speaker 1: skepticism is important that if you understand that, like there's
47:49
Speaker 1: no one else you like black magic and curses in
47:53
Speaker 1: that psychic goo, the psychic goo, I believe you know.
47:56
Speaker 1: I'm a practice. I also study on Chinese medicine and
47:59
Speaker 1: Chinese martial art. I do tai chi and chigung and
48:01
Speaker 1: martial arts and stuff, and I think it's really important
48:04
Speaker 1: that even in those I integrate that's the ceremonial magical practice,
48:07
Speaker 1: just the chigung forms, the breathing techniques, and it's that
48:11
Speaker 1: I think that there is nobody out there that is
48:14
Speaker 1: better at cleansing your aura or your spheres of sensations,
48:19
Speaker 1: or you your mind than you. And I like that
48:23
Speaker 1: idea of just watching something that's nice or the sage,
48:27
Speaker 1: because that's your ritual. And so I think there's such
48:30
Speaker 1: a Again, I'm speaking of a certain instance. It doesn't
48:32
Speaker 1: matter here, but it's like there's no candle you're buying
48:35
Speaker 1: from us, a mystic psychic that you can get that's
48:38
Speaker 1: going to help you with that one thousand, seven hundred
48:41
Speaker 1: and seventy seven dollars for this candle. If you come
48:43
Speaker 1: to my room, I'll help cleanse you of your you know,
48:47
Speaker 1: your psychic spheres. It's like, that's all nonsense. So I
48:49
Speaker 1: really that's it's simple, and I really like that, you know.
48:52
Speaker 5: And you know what's funny as well, a lot of people,
48:54
Speaker 5: like you said, put a thirty not only on like
48:57
Speaker 5: real people, but also on these both entities or whatever
48:59
Speaker 5: it's interact with.
49:01
Speaker 8: Let's say the ghosts, and oh, the ghost is superpower,
49:03
Speaker 8: but they go see a movie like The Otters and
49:07
Speaker 8: you see that the ghosts is just like a family
49:09
Speaker 8: that doesn't understand that they died already. They're like interacting
49:13
Speaker 8: with you in real life and you're like opening the
49:16
Speaker 8: microwave room whatever, and they're going closing, like who the
49:18
Speaker 8: fuck opened this, and like you and them back and forth,
49:21
Speaker 8: you know, just two normal families that's say, oh no,
49:25
Speaker 8: the ghosts are super powerful and it's just like a
49:27
Speaker 8: mom open.
49:30
Speaker 5: So yeah, most definitely just keeping it real, you know,
49:34
Speaker 5: keeping it stable, I think helps a lot to ground
49:38
Speaker 5: and not get caught up. Right. I did something back
49:43
Speaker 5: when I started learning Kamala, actually, like very very at
49:48
Speaker 5: the start of it, I think, so I had this
49:50
Speaker 5: thing that when I was I think eight years old
49:53
Speaker 5: or nine years old, and I went to like a playground,
49:56
Speaker 5: like an amusement park, a playground amusement park with the school,
49:59
Speaker 5: and they had like the ror thing going on, and
50:02
Speaker 5: I don't even remember exactly what happened, but basically after
50:05
Speaker 5: that day I got kind of weirded out and I
50:07
Speaker 5: would look up at like two corners and windows and
50:10
Speaker 5: I would kind of see but not see things. So
50:12
Speaker 5: I got kind of weirded out. And with time, I guess, yeah, rationally,
50:17
Speaker 5: like my rationale was okay, it's nothing, but the emotion
50:20
Speaker 5: was there. So if I was in the dark, I
50:22
Speaker 5: was like, what the fuck? You know, my body would react.
50:25
Speaker 5: And then when I started learning kabala, I think very
50:28
Speaker 5: start as well. I did. I did like a specific technique,
50:31
Speaker 5: and it was fascinating because even again understanding it, I
50:35
Speaker 5: couldn't transmute the thing because my body was doing it.
50:38
Speaker 5: But after doing the specific technique, I could liberate it.
50:41
Speaker 5: And then and then like the next day, I could
50:45
Speaker 5: be in the dark and there's nothing there. So it
50:47
Speaker 5: really comes down to like what Marcus was talking about,
50:51
Speaker 5: like getting the authority of your own head. So you
50:55
Speaker 5: are the one that can do it. You know, you
50:57
Speaker 5: cannot just put it into a third party and expected
51:01
Speaker 5: to be the best one.
51:02
Speaker 4: Right, And psychologically, it's interesting when you look at a
51:05
Speaker 4: lot of these magical elements, like they say that generally
51:09
Speaker 4: lower astral entities hang out in space, as in angles,
51:13
Speaker 4: whereas higher astral entities.
51:15
Speaker 9: Hang out in the arcs.
51:17
Speaker 1: Right.
51:17
Speaker 4: And when you think about it, is that something susceptied,
51:21
Speaker 4: Like how we were looking at the picture of the
51:23
Speaker 4: crosses on the hill and the angular momentum, the jaggedness,
51:27
Speaker 4: theF you see something that precipitates ideas of negativity, whereas
51:32
Speaker 4: when you think about things that are beautiful and sweeping,
51:36
Speaker 4: you think of things that are in an arcal movement.
51:40
Speaker 4: So these ideas are also deeply embedded within the subconscious
51:44
Speaker 4: of who we are, you know, just as participants in
51:48
Speaker 4: this reality.
51:49
Speaker 2: Right.
51:50
Speaker 5: And then you go to astrology. You have the wares,
51:53
Speaker 5: which are.
51:54
Speaker 4: To right, where all the angles laid depending on how
51:57
Speaker 4: planets are positioned, and.
52:00
Speaker 5: The septiles, which would be more circular, and then the
52:03
Speaker 5: good angles.
52:04
Speaker 9: Right exactly exactly nice.
52:07
Speaker 1: How long have you been doing this star? How long
52:09
Speaker 1: has you been doing your show?
52:11
Speaker 6: So creepy shit took place. It started in May of
52:16
Speaker 6: last year, so it's not even a year old yet.
52:19
Speaker 1: Holy shit, you've crushed it. I just looked at I
52:22
Speaker 1: just I just followed you on Instagram. Not that you
52:25
Speaker 1: need my follow because you're crushing.
52:28
Speaker 3: That's what I was like, Yo, I'm surprised this lady
52:29
Speaker 3: even answered me back when I.
52:31
Speaker 1: Realized, good for you and this fear of trying to
52:36
Speaker 1: you know, not only just create content, but do your
52:39
Speaker 1: true will. Right, That's what we always state is that
52:43
Speaker 1: you know, as you know Crowley or any of these things,
52:46
Speaker 1: do what thou wilt shall be the hold of the law.
52:48
Speaker 1: And you found that you as you said right the
52:50
Speaker 1: way in the beginning, is that you found that if
52:52
Speaker 1: you were to do your will or a less less
52:57
Speaker 1: stigmatized individual, Joseph Campbell find your bliss. That you've seem
53:02
Speaker 1: to found that, and that's fascinating.
53:04
Speaker 5: That's good for you.
53:05
Speaker 1: I mean, your family and friends seem to love that
53:09
Speaker 1: for you as well, it seems.
53:11
Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, I am very very grateful.
53:13
Speaker 6: I definitely have a good support team who like definitely
53:17
Speaker 6: is there for it, and they're like, yeah, do your
53:19
Speaker 6: jam and I'm like, thank you, yeah, exactly.
53:24
Speaker 5: Yeah.
53:28
Speaker 2: It's funny. I think I had asked Star. Probably no,
53:30
Speaker 2: I did ask you.
53:30
Speaker 3: I asked I think i'd asked if you were a
53:32
Speaker 3: Thlamite and you're like no, but I think you kind
53:34
Speaker 3: of identified with the whole will idea something like that,
53:37
Speaker 3: and you just use that now. So it's kind of funny, like,
53:40
Speaker 3: p was there any other Was there any other cases
53:46
Speaker 3: or stories that like maybe you might want to talk
53:48
Speaker 3: about that was pretty pretty wild to you.
53:51
Speaker 6: Oh boy, let's see, off the top of my head,
53:57
Speaker 6: I can't think of anything else at the moment because
54:00
Speaker 6: we are now I'm going into next week will be
54:03
Speaker 6: the thirty sixth episode, so I'm excited about that, and
54:10
Speaker 6: I can't think of anything.
54:12
Speaker 7: Happend, I'm sorry, that's all right.
54:14
Speaker 3: I did want to ask, and maybe we'll kind of
54:16
Speaker 3: maybe talk about this with all of us, but uh,
54:18
Speaker 3: you know, we talk about uh again, like stuff like
54:21
Speaker 3: appearing in the you know places or in the woods
54:24
Speaker 3: or you know, like that that mound. I think like
54:26
Speaker 3: even kind of had like kind of paranormal activity. Besides
54:30
Speaker 3: like you know, like maybe people's intention. Do you think
54:33
Speaker 3: that there's like I hate to use like lay lines,
54:35
Speaker 3: but is there like some sort of like energy kind
54:38
Speaker 3: of something in that area that you that you think
54:41
Speaker 3: might like, you know, contribute to what's going on. Like
54:44
Speaker 3: sometimes I wonder like places where you feel a difference
54:47
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, this just feels negative. Is there
54:50
Speaker 3: more of like a magnetic pull, because that would actually
54:54
Speaker 3: make you feel physically uncomfortable actually too right. I do
54:59
Speaker 3: believe that just real quick, just to finish when I'm
55:01
Speaker 3: getting at the magnetic poll, maybe would pull in enough
55:04
Speaker 3: energy to finally create something that you'd see, you know
55:07
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, like, maybe there's.
55:08
Speaker 2: Something going on in that area.
55:11
Speaker 7: Yeah, penogetically, definitely.
55:13
Speaker 6: I think it's absolutely plausible, and I do believe, like
55:17
Speaker 6: in residual energies without a doubt. I think there are
55:21
Speaker 6: certain places that definitely hold that. And you mentioned the
55:23
Speaker 6: lay Lions, and that is some sometimes I love looking
55:28
Speaker 6: to see because if you ever look at the map
55:30
Speaker 6: of the lay Lions, I love to see if a
55:33
Speaker 6: lay line does intersect to a certain place. I didn't
55:38
Speaker 6: do that with the Hill of Crosses, but now I
55:40
Speaker 6: want to, and now I want to go back and
55:42
Speaker 6: see if it does actually cross, because I do find
55:45
Speaker 6: that to be I don't dismiss it. I don't necessarily
55:50
Speaker 6: unfathomably believe it either, but I never rule anything out,
55:55
Speaker 6: like I try to keep an open logical mind. But
55:59
Speaker 6: also if I can't explain it, it definitely.
56:03
Speaker 7: Makes me more of a believer.
56:05
Speaker 1: You know.
56:06
Speaker 5: If you go to in Brazil, we have Umbunda Kimbunda,
56:09
Speaker 5: and I'm pretty sure who do who do something that
56:12
Speaker 5: would work similarly where they ask you sometimes to go
56:16
Speaker 5: to the crossroads to do the work. Oh yeah, And
56:18
Speaker 5: if you think about it, the crossroads is like an
56:21
Speaker 5: artificial ley line. Sometimes it goes together like you have
56:25
Speaker 5: the actually they build the road like on top of it.
56:28
Speaker 5: But it's then like, uh, it's again, it's the cross
56:32
Speaker 5: You're merging two things, merging directions, merging energies, and.
56:36
Speaker 4: You have all the various spirits of the crossroads to
56:39
Speaker 4: all the various cultures and the things that you have
56:42
Speaker 4: to do to communicate.
56:44
Speaker 9: Make bargains to bring things for Yeah.
56:47
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. It's the thing with like similar times as
56:51
Speaker 5: in like eleven eleven, ten ten, these kind of things.
56:54
Speaker 5: It's kind of like as if the clock it's it's
56:58
Speaker 5: it's opening up now because you have two two things
57:01
Speaker 5: going on at the same time, you know, So it definitely.
57:03
Speaker 4: Helps well, in the true crossroad they say isn't actually
57:08
Speaker 4: where two roads cross, but where a road comes and
57:13
Speaker 4: you have the split between the left and the right
57:16
Speaker 4: hand path.
57:18
Speaker 5: Exactly.
57:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like even that other story.
57:23
Speaker 3: Not to sound like too out there of that idea,
57:25
Speaker 3: but like you know that guy dies and then weird
57:27
Speaker 3: shit happens. You're gonna need energy for the weird shit
57:29
Speaker 3: to happen with the guy dying. Is that part of feeding?
57:32
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't, I don't know. It's just I
57:34
Speaker 3: do wonder. Like again, like I say it on the show,
57:37
Speaker 3: even though I've had plenty of big foot people on,
57:39
Speaker 3: I don't know if I really buy that idea. But
57:41
Speaker 3: the one thing I always find interesting is the weird
57:43
Speaker 3: shit that's going on when they think they're coming across
57:45
Speaker 3: one right, and a lot of them do share the
57:47
Speaker 3: same I mean, unless they're ripping off each other's stories,
57:49
Speaker 3: which I don't think that's the total case. People are
57:52
Speaker 3: having the same experiences with like orbs or feelings and stuff,
57:55
Speaker 3: and you just wonder, is there something in the woods.
57:58
Speaker 2: You know you're in an area that's just going to
58:00
Speaker 2: weird shit happen.
58:01
Speaker 4: The energetic yes shit opening and there's this weird thing
58:07
Speaker 4: that I got into for a minute about potentially conscious
58:13
Speaker 4: astral entities laying in these hollow spots within the magnetic
58:18
Speaker 4: field of the Earth, so getting into conscious plasma, and
58:22
Speaker 4: you we really just don't even begin to perceive all
58:25
Speaker 4: the multiplicity that this reality encompasses, Yeah.
58:29
Speaker 5: For sure.
58:30
Speaker 1: And they're trying to actually they you know, I'm going
58:32
Speaker 1: to a quote unquote they there seems to and they
58:35
Speaker 1: could just be our own ego who is trying to
58:38
Speaker 1: linearate time and trying to understand structures of logic. And
58:42
Speaker 1: I actually just posted today at doom quote on Instagram
58:45
Speaker 1: which is basically like you know, paraphrasing, like we always
58:48
Speaker 1: want to try to limit the universe to our humanized logic,
58:52
Speaker 1: but really the universe is beyond that. We can't even
58:55
Speaker 1: fathom the kind of logic that the universe runs. And
58:58
Speaker 1: so they, which is what I'm always trying to do
59:01
Speaker 1: on my channel, and just when I talk to everyone
59:03
Speaker 1: in public, is it's like they is ego. They is
59:07
Speaker 1: my limiting thought patterns and structures, and self is my
59:11
Speaker 1: own inner divine, you know, like the bigger picture of things.
59:17
Speaker 1: And so it's that self that can see and use
59:20
Speaker 1: all four elements that we're trying to balance as magicians
59:23
Speaker 1: in the world. And so there is a they, right
59:27
Speaker 1: the media that's continually trying to trap us into thinking
59:30
Speaker 1: that material science is all there is, or the way
59:34
Speaker 1: that the exoteric religions want us to think of things.
59:39
Speaker 1: And interesting enough, these exoteric religions are using ceremonial magic
59:44
Speaker 1: and the occult, and the reason that they don't want
59:47
Speaker 1: us to know about those things is because of if
59:49
Speaker 1: we find our own true nosis and then we can
59:53
Speaker 1: read behind the lines and between the narratives, and then
59:56
Speaker 1: we're less likely to be controlled. And then maybe these
59:59
Speaker 1: pair normal experiences that you're finding that obviously is resonating
1:00:05
Speaker 1: with people because you're crushing it, is that like then
1:00:08
Speaker 1: we have if we can see that for ourselves. Maybe
1:00:11
Speaker 1: of what I've come to understand with the cabala and
1:00:14
Speaker 1: myrometic magic and these things, is that the clip loft
1:00:17
Speaker 1: like that which is the base rooting of the hollow
1:00:20
Speaker 1: of the tree where all these these husks are of
1:00:23
Speaker 1: the gaatia, and these demons and things they are angels
1:00:27
Speaker 1: in disguise that they are actually from a different perspective,
1:00:32
Speaker 1: can be seen as that which can help help us
1:00:35
Speaker 1: find the deeper meaning in our own life if we
1:00:39
Speaker 1: have the ability to see it, you know.
1:00:40
Speaker 5: What I mean.
1:00:43
Speaker 7: And I like the way you said that.
1:00:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes this paranormal activity is just our brain like
1:00:48
Speaker 3: trying to process like fucking weird shit that it doesn't understand.
1:00:51
Speaker 1: We don't Yes, yes, yes, And that's jocksaval a man, Nick,
1:00:55
Speaker 1: you just said it that, Jos, that's like a paraphrase
1:00:57
Speaker 1: Jaqsa Valet or any of these that are trying that
1:01:01
Speaker 1: we Carl Jung right, It's that we have a psychic
1:01:04
Speaker 1: stigma out there that we're trying to understand. We have
1:01:07
Speaker 1: a cognitive dissonance towards it, and we want to enrapture
1:01:10
Speaker 1: ourselves to try to understand it. So we put fucking
1:01:13
Speaker 1: fairies onto it, or are or we put uh, we
1:01:17
Speaker 1: see drones nowadays and technology, so we put that in
1:01:20
Speaker 1: and we see these orbs because we're like hitting this
1:01:24
Speaker 1: transhumanist state or in the past it was you know,
1:01:27
Speaker 1: angels and demons and so it's what you know, we're
1:01:30
Speaker 1: just trying to understand and we're going to project onto
1:01:32
Speaker 1: that what we can.
1:01:33
Speaker 4: And we all have some sort of phenomena that we
1:01:37
Speaker 4: experience within our lifetimes. So in some way we're all
1:01:42
Speaker 4: trying to figure out how to inter relate with what
1:01:46
Speaker 4: you know, we're seeing, you know, and participating with. So yeah, yeah,
1:01:52
Speaker 4: and I think that's, you know, the inherent draw of
1:01:55
Speaker 4: of all this freaky weirdness is that you know, it's
1:01:59
Speaker 4: something that everyone who takes the time has experience with.
1:02:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, And I think we don't want to And
1:02:10
Speaker 1: I try to not do this because I am a
1:02:12
Speaker 1: kind of a bombastic, gregarious character, so I speak in
1:02:14
Speaker 1: absolutes when I'm really trying not to. And it's one
1:02:17
Speaker 1: of those things where it's like, it doesn't mean the
1:02:19
Speaker 1: paranormal experiences aren't real, right, it does, you know, because
1:02:22
Speaker 1: real is such a shoddy word where we generalize abstractions
1:02:27
Speaker 1: to try to understand what is real. It's like, of
1:02:31
Speaker 1: course it's real, I'm experiencing it. It's so what level
1:02:35
Speaker 1: of reality am I experiencing it through? It's like it
1:02:38
Speaker 1: becomes strange phenomena when all of a sudden, you know,
1:02:42
Speaker 1: what does it mean if something outside of myself scratches
1:02:45
Speaker 1: me when really it was me doing it and I
1:02:48
Speaker 1: didn't know it, you know, But if I'm doing it
1:02:51
Speaker 1: to myself without me knowing it. Is it actually myself
1:02:53
Speaker 1: doing it? Or is it my own inner demons? And
1:02:56
Speaker 1: it gets to that Robert Anton Wilson style of my
1:03:00
Speaker 1: is it my mind within the universe or the universe
1:03:03
Speaker 1: inside my mind? And that's the level of beyond logic
1:03:07
Speaker 1: that I'm like that Doom quote is trying to encompass
1:03:09
Speaker 1: this kind of conversation.
1:03:11
Speaker 3: M I like, well that you said, you know, there
1:03:15
Speaker 3: was something earlier that you had mentioned and I don't
1:03:18
Speaker 3: know why, I just I wanted to say then, but
1:03:20
Speaker 3: like now it's kind of out of context. But you
1:03:22
Speaker 3: were saying something about like not having words to explain something.
1:03:26
Speaker 3: And you know, sometimes I do think, like even with
1:03:28
Speaker 3: the paranormal or the weird shit like that, maybe like
1:03:31
Speaker 3: in translation, like things get lost and then it gets
1:03:33
Speaker 3: like woooed. But I also do think, like that's a
1:03:36
Speaker 3: lot of stuff I hate to say. But I even
1:03:39
Speaker 3: think when it comes to the cult or or even
1:03:41
Speaker 3: throw religion in there, like people will take these just
1:03:45
Speaker 3: things in there that I think these gods might be
1:03:47
Speaker 3: archetypes of a thing that you can't it's hard to explain,
1:03:50
Speaker 3: it's hard to put it into words. So you try
1:03:52
Speaker 3: to create an archetype and then it kind of gets
1:03:54
Speaker 3: taken at phase value and then you lose the lose
1:03:57
Speaker 3: the deeper meaning something you're saying earlier that kind of
1:04:00
Speaker 3: fit in pilot or.
1:04:02
Speaker 5: Even like how are you gonna explain like precipitation and
1:04:05
Speaker 5: a lot of stuff for people that don't have physics
1:04:09
Speaker 5: or math, you know, like it set a story, and
1:04:11
Speaker 5: then you set a story, you use the names, and
1:04:14
Speaker 5: then they understand, oh, okay, that's how the sun comes
1:04:16
Speaker 5: and goes and so on. But then people take it
1:04:19
Speaker 5: literally and think it's an actual person.
1:04:25
Speaker 3: One thing I did when I ask you also start
1:04:27
Speaker 3: to kind of get back to uh, weird shit too,
1:04:31
Speaker 3: and I guess maybe everybody else here when it comes
1:04:33
Speaker 3: to like, yeah, poltergeist, do you some people do wonder
1:04:38
Speaker 3: if it even comes from the person themselves?
1:04:40
Speaker 2: What's your theory on that?
1:04:41
Speaker 3: Like, can people actually get projecting their own hountings that
1:04:45
Speaker 3: they think is something else?
1:04:48
Speaker 6: Pultergeys are Really that is a really fascinating thing to
1:04:52
Speaker 6: me because it's a level of there's allegedly, you know,
1:04:57
Speaker 6: I've never experienced pult grace. I've only ever heard the stories, right,
1:05:03
Speaker 6: going back into that, so it's like it's one of
1:05:05
Speaker 6: those where it's like you have you have documented things
1:05:10
Speaker 6: of people telling you this, but again, are you really
1:05:14
Speaker 6: seeing it? And you talk about telekinesis and telekinetic energy,
1:05:20
Speaker 6: energy of moving objects and all of that kind of stuff,
1:05:22
Speaker 6: Like poltergeist to me, are are a very fascinating thing
1:05:26
Speaker 6: because it's like, well, is it that person actually doing it?
1:05:31
Speaker 6: Is it a hallucination caused by that person, or is
1:05:35
Speaker 6: it something else entirely where like your mind thinks it's happening,
1:05:40
Speaker 6: but it's not really happening, and so now it's become
1:05:43
Speaker 6: this poltergeist thing. And going back into that to what
1:05:46
Speaker 6: we talked a little bit before, is like, well, now
1:05:48
Speaker 6: it's becoming believable because this person said that this happened,
1:05:52
Speaker 6: and now they're going to start to think that they
1:05:54
Speaker 6: see that stuff. So is it really just a mind
1:05:57
Speaker 6: over matter thing or is it something that is actually
1:06:00
Speaker 6: truly a phenomenon that is going on. Poltergeist are super
1:06:05
Speaker 6: super fascinating to me because in that realm, I don't
1:06:10
Speaker 6: know what to believe because I want to believe that
1:06:14
Speaker 6: such a thing could exist and that telekinesis can absolutely
1:06:19
Speaker 6: happen from someone's mind into an actual physical object, like
1:06:23
Speaker 6: actually moving something across my desk with my mind, that
1:06:26
Speaker 6: would be amazing. But that kind of energy, and I
1:06:29
Speaker 6: am a big believer that we're all energy, Like, how
1:06:33
Speaker 6: do you even harness that because nobody's ever even talked
1:06:36
Speaker 6: about that from a Poltergeist experience of how they actually
1:06:40
Speaker 6: did it?
1:06:41
Speaker 7: Does that make sense? If I'm making sense? I hope it's.
1:06:48
Speaker 6: Something where it's like, is it really a mind over
1:06:50
Speaker 6: matter thing and they think they're seeing it or are
1:06:54
Speaker 6: they actually doing it?
1:06:57
Speaker 4: Some of the phenomena associated with Poltergeist when you if
1:07:01
Speaker 4: you've read Charles fort sw egos into documenting all of
1:07:06
Speaker 4: these cases of money falling out of the sky, all
1:07:11
Speaker 4: like a lot of the phenomenal type of phenomena, and
1:07:14
Speaker 4: then when you get into you know, more modern times
1:07:17
Speaker 4: with them creating the Poltergeist movies and what all the
1:07:21
Speaker 4: levels that entails that, and you know that was on
1:07:24
Speaker 4: top of an Indian burial mound back to the mountains again.
1:07:27
Speaker 4: But at the same time, it's like, are are these
1:07:31
Speaker 4: things physical phenomena that physical science can't necessarily understand or
1:07:39
Speaker 4: trace down and enough people experience them that it's it's
1:07:44
Speaker 4: like you have to almost think that there are some
1:07:48
Speaker 4: sort of outside forces that are working in situations such
1:07:52
Speaker 4: as poltergeist.
1:07:54
Speaker 5: I have one experience, if I may share, Yeah, total
1:07:58
Speaker 5: this year, I think, yeah, it was this year, Like
1:08:02
Speaker 5: my mom was kind of you know, as normal sometimes
1:08:04
Speaker 5: you get we don't have clarity in the future. And
1:08:06
Speaker 5: so she came to me for some readings like Enrage
1:08:09
Speaker 5: readings and Schorge readings. Whatever I did. I did everything
1:08:12
Speaker 5: I could to like any type of reading to kind
1:08:15
Speaker 5: of guide her. And then it was funny because I
1:08:18
Speaker 5: did it. Like we spent two or three hours talking
1:08:21
Speaker 5: about it as one and then it was really late
1:08:23
Speaker 5: at night. We went to the kitchen to like drink
1:08:27
Speaker 5: some water. She went up, I went to my room,
1:08:31
Speaker 5: and then as she went up and I went to
1:08:33
Speaker 5: my room, I heard like a like I stayed in
1:08:36
Speaker 5: my chair in one and I heard like a big
1:08:39
Speaker 5: like like loud noise, and then I thought, like what fuck,
1:08:42
Speaker 5: Like it's all good, Like I asked her, it's a
1:08:44
Speaker 5: good and then she came unless like so I thought
1:08:48
Speaker 5: something happened to you, Like I was, yeah, it was
1:08:50
Speaker 5: all good. And then we went to the to the
1:08:53
Speaker 5: living room, and then we found like it was a picture,
1:08:57
Speaker 5: not a picture, but like a drawing, like a painting,
1:09:00
Speaker 5: and it had felled down. Well, we were there for
1:09:04
Speaker 5: like two years already and never never bothered with that place,
1:09:09
Speaker 5: that painting, because you know, the place was granted and whatever.
1:09:11
Speaker 5: And then it just fell down like that was very
1:09:13
Speaker 5: weird by itself, that the thing fell down. You know,
1:09:17
Speaker 5: there's no tremors, nothing right, and it was the only thing.
1:09:20
Speaker 5: There was another one on top of it, which if
1:09:22
Speaker 5: there was enough strength, both would fell down, but just
1:09:25
Speaker 5: just that one felt them. And then we got it.
1:09:28
Speaker 5: I took to take a look, and then the thing
1:09:30
Speaker 5: was about like don' key shot, you know, I don't
1:09:33
Speaker 5: know if that's the name in English, but whatever, it's
1:09:35
Speaker 5: like the story the guy. It's like a warrior type
1:09:38
Speaker 5: of thing and some one. And it was so funny
1:09:40
Speaker 5: because when she looked at it, she was like, ah,
1:09:43
Speaker 5: she got like an insight from the one thing she
1:09:46
Speaker 5: was thinking after she had the readings this one. And
1:09:48
Speaker 5: then we also saw from where it was and it
1:09:51
Speaker 5: was from a city, like again a bunch of synchronicities
1:09:53
Speaker 5: from that painting falling down where again there's no real
1:09:57
Speaker 5: reason for them to fall down like there's nothing like
1:09:59
Speaker 5: there's there's aware like the house is all closed up
1:10:02
Speaker 5: at night, there's nobody else in the in the in
1:10:05
Speaker 5: the house and one. So it was very weird, but
1:10:09
Speaker 5: it was cool for for her because it kind of
1:10:11
Speaker 5: connected like it had. Also, the synchronistic aspect was not
1:10:14
Speaker 5: just a random painting felling down, but just like it
1:10:17
Speaker 5: had or thought patterns exactly. And then you get into
1:10:21
Speaker 5: what Star was saying, like it can become kind of
1:10:23
Speaker 5: a cognitive uh you know, focused there you have like
1:10:27
Speaker 5: a I think you want to prove, let's say, but
1:10:31
Speaker 5: I guess if it helps with something that cool doesn't matter, Like, yeah, yeah,
1:10:36
Speaker 5: it was a it was a funny thing.
1:10:40
Speaker 10: M hm.
1:10:41
Speaker 3: Was there anything else? Anybody want to talk about the store?
1:10:43
Speaker 3: Anything you wanted to mention before we wrap it up,
1:10:47
Speaker 3: Any other stories or anything.
1:10:48
Speaker 2: Anything, want to promote anything coming up?
1:10:51
Speaker 6: Oh well, I'll share this juicy little nugget with you.
1:10:55
Speaker 6: I'm working on releasing my first book. Oh great, Yeah,
1:11:00
Speaker 6: so I'm hoping that it'll be out by summer. I'm
1:11:03
Speaker 6: in the process of doing all the dirty work of
1:11:06
Speaker 6: formatting and editing and all that kind of stuff and
1:11:10
Speaker 6: it's a fiction book, but it is based on the
1:11:14
Speaker 6: paranormal and supernatural type things, so I'm excited about it.
1:11:19
Speaker 2: Oh nice, that's great. That's great. You got like a
1:11:20
Speaker 2: publishing company or anything.
1:11:23
Speaker 6: I'm probably gonna self publish and then I'm going to
1:11:25
Speaker 6: send it off to publishers after that, just to see.
1:11:27
Speaker 6: I just want to be able to get it out
1:11:29
Speaker 6: right away, and then I'll still submit to some publishers
1:11:34
Speaker 6: because I've got a couple that I would really really like,
1:11:36
Speaker 6: you know, the Golden Carrot kind of publishers that I
1:11:39
Speaker 6: would be really cool if they picked it up.
1:11:41
Speaker 7: But we'll see what happens.
1:11:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, good luck with that. When you put it out
1:11:44
Speaker 2: or whenever if you want, you can always come on
1:11:46
Speaker 2: and talk about it or whatever.
1:11:47
Speaker 7: Oh that would be so great. Absolutely, I'd be honored
1:11:50
Speaker 7: to great.
1:11:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome. So yeah, people take a look out
1:11:54
Speaker 3: for that. If you're going to go followers, you got
1:11:56
Speaker 3: a book, come it out. I guess we'll wrap it
1:11:59
Speaker 3: up now if you don't want, I'll let everybody kind.
1:12:02
Speaker 2: Of plug themselves and then you can promote your stuff.
1:12:04
Speaker 3: Matt, you want to go ahead and let everybody know
1:12:06
Speaker 3: where they can find you and all your amazing work.
1:12:08
Speaker 5: For sure. Thanks a lot again for everyone that joined
1:12:11
Speaker 5: and for everyone here in the panel. So you can
1:12:13
Speaker 5: always find me at at metmor on nineteen. That's gonna
1:12:16
Speaker 5: be on Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, TikTok, Twitch, maybe some other place.
1:12:21
Speaker 5: There's also our spaces on Twitter from the Gray Lodge
1:12:25
Speaker 5: and we archive them on the True Gray Lodge dot
1:12:29
Speaker 5: com with a V so truth. There's also my website
1:12:32
Speaker 5: Cabala dot com k A A B A l a
1:12:35
Speaker 5: h dot com, where I do a lot of cool stuff,
1:12:37
Speaker 5: especially now the Tarot readings. For so, I'm doing a
1:12:41
Speaker 5: cool little project. If you want to be a beta tester,
1:12:43
Speaker 5: just DM me you I'll hook you up into the details.
1:12:47
Speaker 5: They had a really cool experience also with Tarot recently.
1:12:50
Speaker 5: I posted about it on Twitter. It was really nice
1:12:52
Speaker 5: and I want to keep working more on that. Suture
1:12:55
Speaker 5: is just them me you. I'll let you know.
1:12:57
Speaker 2: Hit me up about that myself, man for sure.
1:13:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, magas sorry, Hey, yeah, thank you, Nick, thank you Star.
1:13:06
Speaker 1: It was wonderful to meet you. Yeah, that's amazing. I
1:13:09
Speaker 1: will throw you on the Spotify while we're traveling and
1:13:13
Speaker 1: we'll see if we can have any of our own
1:13:15
Speaker 1: paranormal crazy shit happen, and I'll let you know if that.
1:13:17
Speaker 7: Happens, and I'll be sure to follow you back.
1:13:20
Speaker 5: Thank you.
1:13:20
Speaker 2: Star.
1:13:20
Speaker 1: Yes, everyone out there, please head over to magas and
1:13:23
Speaker 1: the media and all the things YouTube x and Instagram,
1:13:29
Speaker 1: doing all the stuff as much as possible at all times,
1:13:31
Speaker 1: trying to come out with all the things. I'm actually
1:13:33
Speaker 1: interviewing Ike Baker on the channel yeah, and so I
1:13:37
Speaker 1: will be doing that this week and then coming out
1:13:39
Speaker 1: with that as soon as possible by the end of
1:13:41
Speaker 1: the week. So that should be a great conversation. He's
1:13:43
Speaker 1: a brilliant man. I'm also going to be doing some
1:13:46
Speaker 1: stuff with Jin the Ninja coming up soon as well.
1:13:49
Speaker 1: Call out to our boy Jim the Ninja. When'll be
1:13:51
Speaker 1: breaking down some of that anime, comic books and all
1:13:54
Speaker 1: the things that we can do. I'll be coming out
1:13:57
Speaker 1: with all kinds of stuff up soon. The world is
1:14:00
Speaker 1: getting stranger. I got my live streams going on, and
1:14:03
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to break down the strange dystopic world
1:14:07
Speaker 1: that we have going on and trying to help everyone
1:14:10
Speaker 1: find their own personal myth and become their own superhero.
1:14:13
Speaker 1: So I again, Nick, thank you, so much for having
1:14:16
Speaker 1: me our Marks. It's great to meet you too, bro,
1:14:19
Speaker 1: and Matt Mora. I want to do some stuff with
1:14:22
Speaker 1: you as well. I just just accepted your friend request
1:14:25
Speaker 1: and so we're connected as well.
1:14:26
Speaker 2: So for sure, great stuff.
1:14:28
Speaker 5: Thank you.
1:14:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that was when I when I was
1:14:31
Speaker 3: first getting you on, I even sent your PROFILEOGE.
1:14:33
Speaker 2: You know, I was like, Yo, check this guy out,
1:14:36
Speaker 2: and I know it.
1:14:37
Speaker 3: Good stuff, good stuff. You do go live on any
1:14:40
Speaker 3: certain days? Do you have a certain schedule for that
1:14:42
Speaker 3: or not?
1:14:43
Speaker 1: Kind of I'm working on the schedule. Yes, it's in
1:14:46
Speaker 1: the evenings on Sundays and Mondays is normally when I'm
1:14:50
Speaker 1: going live after five six seven. I my life is
1:14:53
Speaker 1: a little disorganized currently, so I try to put it
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Speaker 1: up on at the things when I do it. But
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Speaker 1: Sundays and Mondays are my lifetimes.
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Speaker 3: Evening awesome, So go over to the channel, hit that
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Speaker 3: subscribe button and take a look out for that live
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Speaker 3: notification on Sundays and months.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you of course of course.
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Speaker 3: And mister Marks, sir, please let everybody know where they
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Speaker 3: can find all your amazing work and your art.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for having me on again, Nick, And as
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Speaker 4: far as Matt and Nick. It's always good to see
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Speaker 4: you guys. Star and Megas good to meet you guys.
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Speaker 4: As far as myself, I'm an artist illustrator. I do
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Speaker 4: various stuff for bands, festivals, and then right now I'm
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Speaker 4: working on illustrations for my Nimrod book, which is pretty
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Speaker 4: much what I've been wrapped up in more time than
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Speaker 4: I care to even talk about. And that's all coming along.
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Speaker 4: If you want to check out my various stuff, my artwork,
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Speaker 4: my social media, my podcast, the Metamindcast, you can go
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Speaker 4: to my link tree which is link tree r m
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Speaker 4: a ar x and that'll pull up all the stuff.
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Speaker 4: And it's always pretty much this time of the year,
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Speaker 4: I'm really a hermit, so Nick is one of the
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Speaker 4: few people that can kind of draw me out and it's.
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Speaker 9: Always fun to try to hang out.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, thank you Robbie. It's always a pleasure to
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Speaker 2: have you on the show.
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Speaker 3: You know you're a staple to the occult reject so
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Speaker 3: always love always love it me. Yes, Yes, and last
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Speaker 3: but not least, Star, Please let everybody know where they
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Speaker 3: can find.
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Speaker 2: All you stuff.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, and thank you, thank you so much Nick for
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Speaker 6: bringing me on for this. This was amazing. Meeting all
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Speaker 6: of you guys has been absolutely fantastic. I will definitely
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Speaker 6: be seeking you guys out to friend you and all
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Speaker 6: of that. It's been so wonderful. Thank you to everybody too.
1:16:37
Speaker 6: I see like the comments popping up on my screen
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Speaker 6: and everything, and you guys are super awesome, so thank you,
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Speaker 6: thank you. You can find me over on Instagram at
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Speaker 6: Creepy Underscore Shit Underscore Podcast. I'm also on TikTok at
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Speaker 6: Creepy host Star and you can listen to the Creepy
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Speaker 6: Shit Podcast wherever podcast platform you love perfect.
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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you so much again for coming on love
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Speaker 2: talking about weird shit.
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Speaker 3: So this was perfect. We'll have to get you on
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Speaker 3: and talk about some more creepy shit in the future.
1:17:05
Speaker 3: And again, good luck on the book and everybody in
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Speaker 3: the chat. Thank you. That's what's up. There was a
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Speaker 3: lot of good comments in there, a lot of people
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Speaker 3: checking it out and I appreciate it. And that's where
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Speaker 3: we go live and until the next one, everybody be well.
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Speaker 2: Lada