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Vanderpump Secrets and Real Housewives History with Guy Branum · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 3: Listen in, listen up. Woo, woo. Hannah McDonald.
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  Speaker 4: Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have another fabulous
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  Speaker 3: show with you today. I have a great guest. First,
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  Speaker 3: let me just get into some business. I am packing
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  Speaker 3: May 27th, as you know, for my live Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 3: And I have got to tell you, in prepping the
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  Speaker 3: this show. It is going to be so hilarious. I
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  Speaker 3: have a segment with Justin, another juicy one with Spencer,
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  Speaker 3: we're going to talk all the latest on Vanderpump Rules
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  Speaker 3: there and all the inside scoop he has. And then
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  Speaker 3: I've got Chris coming on. And we are going down
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  Speaker 3: some hilarious memory lane stuff. And also great topics. I'm
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  Speaker 3: just really excited for the show. And if you cannot
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  Speaker 3: when I said that you only had 72 hours to
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  Speaker 3: can watch it for seven days and then it's gone forever.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm telling you, there's some serious juice that I
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  Speaker 3: this Friday. All of it will be happening because it'll
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  Speaker 3: be all, you know, juicy stuff that's happening in my
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  Speaker 3: life and the fun weekend that I get to experience
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  Speaker 3: with my favorites, Chris, Justin, and Spencer. Um, A couple
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  Speaker 3: little updates on Vanderpump Rules. As you know, tonight's the
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  Speaker 3: reunion because I'm recording this Wednesday. You're listening to it
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  Speaker 3: Thursday morning, so you could be shooketh by now. But
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  Speaker 3: I will just follow up on a few things. According
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  Speaker 3: to Intel, Kristen says that she believes that Tom got
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  Speaker 3: together with Billy Lee, who was once on the show.
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  Speaker 3: The intel is that is not true. Also, Tom has
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  Speaker 3: been said to have a new influencer girlfriend recently. who
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  Speaker 3: kind of looks like Erica Jane. She's blonde. She lives
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  Speaker 3: in Austin. And they were seen at a restaurant. They
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  Speaker 3: were seen shopping. They've also been told that they're just friends. Also,
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  Speaker 3: we saw that Ariana moved out of her house. We
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  Speaker 3: now know that she wasn't moving out of her house.
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  Speaker 3: It was a paid sponsorship for something, and she really
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  Speaker 3: hasn't moved out of the house. She's also going to be.
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  Speaker 3: Giving out chicken at Cane's in like El Segundo. And then,
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  Speaker 3: of course, she was on Call Her Daddy, which was
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  Speaker 3: very good, and she gave a lot of insight on
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  Speaker 3: her side of what was going on. I listened to
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  Speaker 3: some of it. But I do think all these things
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  Speaker 3: is what she said. She is going to, as I
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  Speaker 3: always say, make the money while you can make it,
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  Speaker 3: whether it's selling chicken wings at Cane's, doing someone's show.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever it is, make that money, girl, so that you
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  Speaker 3: can get out of that house and buy your own.
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  Speaker 3: But I think that's what's going on here. And so
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  Speaker 3: don't be mad that you thought she really moved into
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  Speaker 3: the house and she didn't. You would take the money, too.
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  Speaker 3: People are saying it's been confirmed Raquel is not pregnant.
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  Speaker 3: We are going to find out not this week. We're
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  Speaker 3: probably going to find on the third or the final
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  Speaker 3: reunion is when we're really going to know what is
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  Speaker 3: this big secret. A couple things could be... I am pregnant.
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  Speaker 3: I was pregnant. I have a drug and alcohol problem
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  Speaker 3: that caused me to do this. And the final one,
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  Speaker 3: which is many people have speculated, I have just been
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  Speaker 3: recently diagnosed that I am on the spectrum for autism, Asperger's, whatever,
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  Speaker 3: therefore not getting to understand social cues. And that causes
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  Speaker 3: my awkwardness and my whatever. All that could be happening.
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  Speaker 3: We will soon find out. Also, someone said, hey, was
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  Speaker 3: she a fan of Euphoria? Did she watch that and
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  Speaker 3: somehow that got into her brain and she wanted to
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  Speaker 3: be like the Sidney Sweeney character that slept with her
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  Speaker 3: best friend's boyfriend, Jake? I don't know. I'd be very
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  Speaker 3: curious to know. Did she watch every season of Euphoria
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  Speaker 3: and how intently was she into that show? I texted
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  Speaker 3: Sheena and asked, are you guys fans? I haven't heard back.
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  Speaker 3: Very curious about that. Anyway, it's very interesting. I was
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  Speaker 3: always interested in Ariana and Tom's relationship. I thought it
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  Speaker 3: was weird when they bought a house because she said,
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  Speaker 3: I never want to get married. I never want to
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  Speaker 3: have kids. He said he wanted to have kids, but
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  Speaker 3: then they bought this house. But then she said we
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  Speaker 3: were each other's ride or die. We were each other's.
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  Speaker 3: If the apocalypse happens, we're going to have each other
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  Speaker 3: till the end. And that is why when they only
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  Speaker 3: had sex four times a year, she just thought they
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  Speaker 3: were going through a phase. But this was just ebbs
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  Speaker 3: and flows. That was basically the gist of the last
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  Speaker 3: interview she did. So there we are. I just wanted
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  Speaker 3: to fill you guys in. I know some of you
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  Speaker 3: are very sick of talking about this. And you're like, Heather,
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  Speaker 3: can you just get back to the fun, juicy scoop? Well,
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  Speaker 3: I am because I have a great guest. And we
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  Speaker 3: are going to get into hot topics as well as
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  Speaker 3: his hilarious reactions to watching Housewives for the first time.
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  Speaker 3: And you're going to love it. It's a juicy scoop. Bravo, Heather. Bravo,
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  Speaker 3: Real Housewives history lesson for you all. Get ready for
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  Speaker 3: a great show. And don't forget to go to heathermcdonald.net
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  Speaker 3: for all the live tickets, my merch, and, of course,
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  Speaker 3: to join my Patreon. Hello, and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 3: I have a dear friend of mine, Guy Branum, writer, showrunner, comedian, actor, model,
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  Speaker 3: all of it. But more importantly, my one-time... office husband roommate,
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  Speaker 3: office mate at Chelsea Lately. Welcome back to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 3: You've been on two times?
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Over the years. The one good thing out of the
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  Speaker 3: writer's strike is that you are available.
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  Speaker 4: And?
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  Speaker 3: Not only available to come on my show, but available
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  Speaker 3: to For the first time, sit down and watch all
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  Speaker 3: the housewives. You're texting me questions. We had one intense
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  Speaker 3: moment at the Abbey where you asked me a lot.
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  Speaker 3: And then you wrote me yesterday and I was like,
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  Speaker 3: this is perfect. Come on in. So welcome back.
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  Speaker 5: Good to be here. I just, the thing is, is
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  Speaker 5: I wanted to have an additional thing I could talk
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  Speaker 5: to gay guys about. Like during the pandemic, I dueling
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  Speaker 5: good French a bunch.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, we also need to disclose that. being that it's
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  Speaker 3: Pride Summer, that you are, in fact, an out gay man.
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  Speaker 5: I'm an out gay man. I'm announcing it officially for
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  Speaker 5: the first time here. But I wanted to have another
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  Speaker 5: thing to talk to gay guys about, and so I
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  Speaker 5: was like, I will watch all of Beverly Hills. I
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  Speaker 5: was just like, I will take one franchise, and I
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  Speaker 5: will just have it authoritatively.
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  Speaker 3: That's your Christian service as a gay man. Yes. And
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  Speaker 3: a Jew.
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  Speaker 5: And it was really compelling, but also while watching it,
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  Speaker 5: I just kept thinking back to, not so much with
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  Speaker 5: Beverly Hills, but like my friend Matt Rogers, he very
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  Speaker 5: much was like, you have to just take this momentum
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  Speaker 5: and go straight into New York. And watching the first
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  Speaker 5: season of New York, that was like a time when
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  Speaker 5: we were working together. And it was also a time
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  Speaker 5: when you, I just remember you being so excited about
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  Speaker 5: OC and just sort of like that world. And then
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  Speaker 5: when New York started up, I watched a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: And so I had so many questions. And also I
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  Speaker 5: love knowing backstory on stuff so I'm constantly Googling things
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  Speaker 5: during and the number of times that like information reportage
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  Speaker 5: was coming out of Juicy Scoop was like really exciting
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  Speaker 5: and like finally yesterday I was just like well I have.
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  Speaker 3: To I mean you like Googled articles and it was
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  Speaker 3: like this person came on Juicy Scoop and said this
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  Speaker 3: oh my heart's a flutter that's so nice.
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  Speaker 5: But I was like why am I not listening to
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  Speaker 5: I mean the best thing about being a comedian and
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  Speaker 5: listening to podcasts is that you can call or text
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  Speaker 5: the person on the podcast afterwards to weigh in with
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  Speaker 5: your opinions. And I'm like, why am I not listening
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  Speaker 5: to this? And I'm currently in the middle of just
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  Speaker 5: being in love with Carol Radziwill.
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  Speaker 3: Well, she's a real actual friend of mine, so we'll
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  Speaker 3: get into those questions. First, though, will you just explain
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  Speaker 3: to the people very simply what is... is the writers'
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  Speaker 3: guild strike. I obviously support it, but I think people
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  Speaker 3: have a lot of questions of what it is, and
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  Speaker 3: I just want you to explain what the fight's about.
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  Speaker 5: So every eight years, there's a big contract that says
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  Speaker 5: the minimum things that are going to be provided to
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  Speaker 5: people who write for shows that are covered by this.
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  Speaker 5: So basically anything that's on real TV, sometimes on extended cable, E, covered,
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  Speaker 5: not covered, it depends on the show. But it's things like,
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  Speaker 5: basic pay, and more importantly than anything else, the residuals
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  Speaker 5: that you're going to receive. Because, you know, the writers
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  Speaker 5: on the first couple of seasons of The Simpsons, those
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  Speaker 5: episodes of television have been aired millions of times, and
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  Speaker 5: those people received nothing other than Well.
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  Speaker 3: They don't.
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  Speaker 5: Nothing.
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  Speaker 3: Because at that time, animation wasn't included.
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  Speaker 5: Yes. Right now, only animation on Fox is. is covered
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  Speaker 5: by the Writers Guild. Just about everything else is not.
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  Speaker 3: And also because The Simpsons also predicted everything that's ever
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  Speaker 3: happened in the world.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: So they were psychics that were also writers.
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  Speaker 5: Right. And just with the way that the industry has
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  Speaker 5: changed and is changing, it's like when we originally, when
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  Speaker 5: we wrote on E, like something would re-air and then
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  Speaker 5: you would get a little check later on.
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  Speaker 3: Because, you know, After we became Writers Guild.
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  Speaker 5: After we became Writers Guild.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, were you part of it?
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  Speaker 5: No, I was not.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. I've told that story. It was a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 3: Pandera lunches.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: We did it. We got it. And then they didn't
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  Speaker 3: honor it when the show ended up early. They did
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  Speaker 3: not honor the six month.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, really?
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 3: They walked in and they said, you can either stay
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  Speaker 3: till August 27th and that'll be your last paycheck, even
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  Speaker 3: though you've been here for seven and a half years.
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  Speaker 3: Or you can leave early and miss out on $ 19, 000.
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  Speaker 3: And I go, what about paying me until the end
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  Speaker 3: of December, which would be the six months? And they said, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they're not doing it. So what are you going to
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  Speaker 3: do about it? And Jen Kirkman and I, who Jen
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  Speaker 3: is on the front line, she's a writer and showrunner,
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  Speaker 3: and she's written on the fabulous, what is it?
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  Speaker 5: Marvelous Mrs. Maisel.
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  Speaker 3: Fabulous, marvelous Mrs. Maisel. She and I were both like,
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  Speaker 3: should we do this? And I was like, I don't
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  Speaker 3: know when I'm going to see 19 grand again. So
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to take the next couple of months and
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  Speaker 3: have fun with it. And they were cool about us
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  Speaker 3: leaving on Fridays or whatever, but that was, that was
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  Speaker 3: the deal. So like, I've explained why, like, even though
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  Speaker 3: you have a writer's guild thing, there's a, a Hulu
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  Speaker 3: doc that I have part of that just came out
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  Speaker 3: called the Randall scandal about Randall Emmett.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And, Because I'm good friends, became good friends with both
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  Speaker 3: of them, he and his ex, Lala, from Banner Pump.
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  Speaker 3: They asked me to be part of it. And also,
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  Speaker 3: Lala's featured in that doc coming out as a guest
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  Speaker 3: on Juicy Scoop. And he wrote this show. He got
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  Speaker 3: writers from Writers Guild to write, did the arc of,
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  Speaker 3: you know, seven seasons of a show called Pump. That
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  Speaker 3: was going to be about Arnold Schwarzenegger and his, you know,
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  Speaker 3: rise to bodybuilding in the 70s in Venice. And they...
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  Speaker 3: Did the whole seven seasons of like, this is what
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  Speaker 3: it's going to be. And then for whatever reason, Arnold
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  Speaker 3: was all excited, but then Arnold switched, and you know
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  Speaker 3: how this could be, from one big agency to another
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  Speaker 3: and the whole thing fell apart. And then he's just like, well, sorry,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not paying you the Writers Guild money. So then
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  Speaker 3: Writer's Guild fought him and now there's a judgment and
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  Speaker 3: he's still refusing to pay it. But that's the kind
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  Speaker 3: of shit that happens.
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  Speaker 5: The things that are happening right now is with streaming,
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  Speaker 5: they're not paying us for residuals in the way that
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  Speaker 5: would reflect success or failure. There's this thing called mini rooms,
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  Speaker 5: which is getting people before a show is officially picked
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  Speaker 5: up to write a bunch of episodes.
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  Speaker 3: Which would have been like this pump thing.
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  Speaker 5: Exactly.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly.
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  Speaker 5: And then turning around and saying, oops, we're not going
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  Speaker 5: to do that. And then the other big thing is
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  Speaker 5: sort of defining the space that AI can take in
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  Speaker 5: this stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Because, you know, there's going to be a real temptation
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  Speaker 5: when it comes to, like, you know, award show intros
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  Speaker 5: or something like that to just have a computer do
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  Speaker 5: them because it's cheaper than a person. And so that's
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  Speaker 5: why we're on strike.
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  Speaker 3: That's a perfect explanation, and thank you. And we are
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  Speaker 3: 100% behind you, obviously. But in the meantime... We get
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  Speaker 3: to enjoy you here. Real quick before we get into
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  Speaker 3: all the housewife stuff because we have– this is real
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  Speaker 3: housewife history coming later on, but I want to cover
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  Speaker 3: some hot topics. Jeff Bezos is also in love and
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  Speaker 3: engaged to Lauren Sanchez. To give you guys a little history,
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  Speaker 3: Jeff has a small company called Amazon. Lauren– It's a
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  Speaker 3: very pretty girl that was, like, I knew her because
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  Speaker 3: I was friends with Jillian Barbary, who was, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the star of the Morning L.A.
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  Speaker 5: Show.
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  Speaker 3: Then Lauren started to be on it a lot, and
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  Speaker 3: she was a host and this and that.
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  Speaker 5: Jillian, a great broadcaster.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and a great person. So she, Lauren, she was
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  Speaker 3: featured a lot. She was pretty. She was a host
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  Speaker 3: on things. She had... NFL husband she has one child with,
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  Speaker 3: divorced him, then married this, I think it was William
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  Speaker 3: Morris agent. They have two kids that are 15 and 16.
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  Speaker 3: And they were social friends with Jeff and Jeff's wife.
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  Speaker 3: And then they fell in love. Then Jeff gets divorced.
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  Speaker 3: She gets divorced. Now they're together. And now they are engaged.
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  Speaker 5: I want more of my friends to tell me stories
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  Speaker 5: about property settlements from divorces. I love a juicy property settlement.
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  Speaker 5: And it makes me angry that nobody ever has this
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  Speaker 5: information for me. I think this is, like, exciting, and
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  Speaker 5: I think she's smart to get a good, nice, solid prenup.
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  Speaker 5: I think a good, nice, solid prenup with a guy
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  Speaker 5: who's coming into the marriage that rich.
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  Speaker 3: He has, I think he's worth like $ 139 billion.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And the latest article we read was, how much would
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  Speaker 3: she get in a possible divorce?
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  Speaker 5: $ 38.
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  Speaker 3: They're speculating that if she was to get divorced... Based
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  Speaker 3: on just stock and stuff, she could probably walk away
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  Speaker 3: with $ 38 billion herself.
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  Speaker 5: But I think it's really easy for him to hide
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  Speaker 5: that money on paper. It's really easy for him to
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  Speaker 5: get divorced at a point in time when his paper
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  Speaker 5: value has gone down. So if he's at $ 138 now
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  Speaker 5: and then there comes a point in time when Amazon–
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  Speaker 5: I mean Amazon stock is pretty bad right now. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: she needs to, like, she needs to buy low and
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  Speaker 5: sell high if she's going to try to, you know,
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  Speaker 5: marry Jeff Bezos without a prenup. But I think in
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  Speaker 5: a situation like that where they have access to a
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  Speaker 5: lot of lawyers, going in with nice documents that say
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  Speaker 5: she gets $ 60 million if she leaves, that's safe. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think that they are in love. Since
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  Speaker 3: they got together, he got, like, on, what's that stuff,
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  Speaker 3: the H? He got on something.
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  Speaker 5: HGH, yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And that kind of beefed him out.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Made him a little less nerdy. Meanwhile, his wife, who
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  Speaker 3: also walked away with so much money, she married a teacher.
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  Speaker 3: And she ended up divorcing him after two years. So
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  Speaker 3: it's hard to find a good guy.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, but the thing is, is, like, you need
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  Speaker 5: to understand when this is your third, like, bite at
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  Speaker 5: the apple, you're not going to get first wife money.
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: You know? But listen, like.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: I think they are a good couple. I think they're
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: in love with each other. I love that she's 53.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: She's super fit. Has she had some work done yet?
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: Who the fuck hasn't? Myself included. She's 53. She's got
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: a good body. And I think they're very happy together.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: And Drake goes, why would he get married? And I go,
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: why not? It's not like even if she took a
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: chunk of money from him, it would not affect him
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: taking a private plane, getting on his huge yacht, having
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: homes everywhere. Like there's not one thing on this earth
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: that he can't purchase, whether he gets divorced from her
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: or not. So why not? Make a commitment to someone
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: that you really are in love with and you enjoy
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: as you enter your golden years.
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: Well, also there's just sort of like that social element
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: that I understand so much better now after eight seasons
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: of Real Housewives of New York of having that person
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: and that partner and people knowing who is accompanying you.
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: I feel like that is really soothing to straight people. Yeah. Yeah.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: That's still there for us.
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Can we have one thing? No, listen. I just want
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: to say, she has two kids that are 15 and 16.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: I will be curious to see where they end up
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: in college.
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: Oh, that's very funny.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Because, I mean, I know, you know, Lori Loughlin got
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: in trouble. And as my kids, you know, I told
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: my kids right off the bat, you know, you're not
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: going to any of the schools that I got into, okay?
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: Can I tell you a great story?
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: There was a billionaire finance guy in New York and
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: they did an article about him like 10 years ago
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: because he had given essentially, he gave like $ 20 million
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: to five of the Ivies and MIT to like hedge
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: his bets on his children.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Yes, and?
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: And then the daughter who, and then like, oh, and
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: then at the Mindy Project, we had this intern. We
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: had never had an intern before, but we had an
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: intern who, who came and just sat in our offices
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: for a summer. And then at the end, she gave
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: Mindy a perfect scale model of Mindy Lahiri's office from
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: the show.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: How cool.
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: I know. And then left, and we were like, what's
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: that deal?
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Is she an architect?
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: No, she is this billionaire's daughter.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Okay, so she was just able to get someone to
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: do that.
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: And now she writes for The Tonight Show.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: That is... Wait, that's literally so funny, because remember in that...
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: In this show that Mindy was in, the movie that
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Mindy was in about writing.
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: Oh, yes. Late Night? Yeah.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Late Night, there was a lot of elements of that,
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: of like a billionaire connection or whatever.
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: I love that. That's amazing. Yeah, all I can offer
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: a school is if you take Brandon, you get a
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: shout out on Juicy Scoop, and I will tag you
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: when I visit the school. Do you think that's going
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: to get him into USC? Yeah.
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: No, but I think it could, you know, like some
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: smaller liberal arts colleges might be really into it.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Might get a little excited. Yes. Yeah, Juicy Scoop, Juicy
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Scoopers who are on any admissions anywhere, DM me. We
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: can have a cute lunch every time I visit.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: I mean, I would say you could get him into Vassar.
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: You could get Brandon into Vassar. It's too late for Drake. Oh, no.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: He's at ASU. and killing it. Okay.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: Just one more thing before we go on.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: No, we're still talking about them. Continue. This is them
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: on their yacht, $ 500 million yacht.
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: Would you strongly encourage your 15-year-old son to take Jeff's name?
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: Would you encourage him to be like, oh.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: I don't think he can. I think they– the dad
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: is no schlep.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: The dad is a huge partner at William Morris.
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: And I think that would be awful. But I know
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: people have done that in the past.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: My friend Trace Ellis Ross.
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: Yes. Yes.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: Ross is her mother's name.
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: Which isn't even her real mother's name.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: And she had a lovely Jewish father.
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know his last name.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: But at a certain point in her 20s, in pursuing Hollywood,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: she became Tracee Ellis Ross. Not a bad move.
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: Not a bad move.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: I don't think the dad minded. She always remained a
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: wonderful relationship with her father as far as when we
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: were close. So, yeah, whatever works. Do the boys wish
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: that they were Drake and Brandon McDonald? Drake, do you
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: wish that I would have made you Drake McDonald instead
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: of Drake Tobias? I don't think it would have mattered.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: I think that's a, he says it wouldn't matter. And
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: I think that's great. You know, like I decided that.
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: Do you think Drake is more likely to go into
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: West Valley real estate or celebrity gossip? That's the question.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: I think he'll go into finance, but he was recognized
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: in Westlake the other day at In-N-Out eating with his cousin.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: A juicy skipper said, are you? Heather McDonald's son, Drake.
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: Oh, that's amazing.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Isn't that amazing? Like, I'm not on TV, and just seeing,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: just rarely do I even feature him that much. He's
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: a recognizable kid.
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: The unfortunate thing that we need to acknowledge for the
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: WGA strike is TV just doesn't matter as much anymore. Like,
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: we have good entertainment being made by children at home
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: with cats. So the whole game is changing. But I
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: do love, I mean, I love a nice 53-year-old trophy wife.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: And she's no dummy. She's a helicopter pilot. She's a journalist. Like, hey,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: the relationship did start shady. They were couple friends. It's
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: a little Vanderpump Rules. She was friendly with his wife,
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: just like Raquel was friendly with Ariana.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: And best friends, but in the end, she was probably,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: is doing fine. She fell in love with the teacher,
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: but then they broke up. But I think they have
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: every right to be happy, and it seems like the
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: kids all like each other and all that.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: The reason that the Juicy Scoopers keep coming back to
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: you is that you are, at the end of the day,
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: a responsible Catholic sorority girl. And does a situation like
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: this tell you that you do need to have certain
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: kinds of boundaries with your couple friends? Do you think
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: that this was a game played poorly or played correctly?
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: I think she is incredibly good in the sack. And
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: there are certain women and certain men that that is
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: one of their talents. Other people are great cooks. Other
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: people can decorate well. I think that she has gotten
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: three men to marry her. I think she's pretty on
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: the eyes, but I also think she's really good at sex.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Some people are really good at it. And other people
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: are a pillow princess. And that is me.
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, the thing is, she's got to be
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: bringing a lot to the table because if it was
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: just good pussy, I mean, he's Jeff Bezos. If he
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: wanted other, better pussy, he could just order it and
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: it would show up within a day because he's probably
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: Amazon Prime.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: There are men. Yes, I agree. And there are, that's funny,
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: and there are men that, you know, go for the
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: younger chick all the time. But I've said this on
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: my show before, which is really interesting, is that billionaires...
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: want other billionaires' ex-wives.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: Oh, that's interesting.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Housewives.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: That's very interesting. Housewives.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: David Foster went over to Muhammad Hadid's house and looked
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: at a photo and said, who is that? And he goes,
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: that's my ex-wife. And he goes, I would like to
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: meet her. Do you mind if I meet her? And
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Muhammad was like, no problem.
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: They were so collegial about that. Do you think that's
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: just because he's like, she knows how to handle herself
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: in these situations?
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think age is... Like, listen, if you
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: look great and you're sexy and stuff, and now you
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: also have all this stuff in common.
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yes.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: And you know, and you have the same friends. And
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: it's also like, this is this, this other guy had
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: this wonderful wife. Yes. It happens all the time. And
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: I think too often people think, oh, the guy's just
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: out to, you know, marry a 20 year old. That
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: happens too. But it's more likely that if you're a
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: woman of a certain... Like, don't worry, girls that are
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: over 40, over 50. Don't think that you can't also
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: marry up. You absolutely can.
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: Well, also, guys like Bezos get a thrill off of
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: business mergers and acquisitions.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: And when it comes to sex also, he acquires and
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: then merges, you know?
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Yes. So I'm all for it. This is their yacht.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: And people said, is this, which is on the yacht,
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: is that her? It was that made to look like her.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: And I think it looks a lot like her. Look
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: at the lips. it's like a statue, but it has
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: lip filler and, and it's, it's a little tacky. I
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: will say it's a little mermaidy, but who cares?
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, if it makes them happy.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: I, I'm all, I'm all for it. So good luck
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: to them. Um, One reward.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: Endless choice.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Skip the hassle. Reward the easy way.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: have faced tremendous setbacks and yet somehow have found a
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: Life is one long lesson of chaos. I'm heading to
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: the Emmys and I have police complaints filed against me.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: what would you do if it was given back?
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: He said, I have a work dad. I need a
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: home dad. What happens next? When I came in, he
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: started crying.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: happens next.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: I decided to risk it all.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: I realized how valuable every day was. You're worth the work. Listen, Dara,
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to pull punches.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: I also want to mention one thing about you is
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: that I've talked about, and I know you don't work
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: on the show anymore, but you did work on the
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: other two.
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: On HBO Max, which is the third season.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: And I have told people to watch it because it
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: is so, your sense of humor is so fucking funny.
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: It is very gay. It is very entertainment. It is
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: very Juicy Scoop.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: It is a Juicy Scoop stream of a comedy. Molly Shannon,
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: it's so funny.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: The more important thing is, have you had Matt Rogers
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: on Juicy Scoop yet?
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: No.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: You guys, I took Heather to see Matt Rogers' Christmas
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: show a couple of years ago.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: We've been trying to make this thing happen.
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: But, like, so much of the stuff, like, on the
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: season that Matt and I worked on it, just sort of, like,
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: the jobs that you have when you're, like, an up-and-coming
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: gay comic in, you know, like, a weekly internet show
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: about what Laura Dern's doing or whatever, these were all
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: taken from, like, jobs that matt had had where it
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: was just like a bunch of gay guys and a
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: bunch of women of color eating food and being sassy
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: to each other about it and it was really ridiculous
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: and all of it is on the show and i
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: love it and.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: The gay man is his friend yes um okay one
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: more now speaking of other rich men jeffrey evstein allegedly
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: i guess well it's not allegedly they have emails threatened
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: to expose bill gates affair with this russian bridge player
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: So Bill Gates had an affair. Now, he is also
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: divorced and his wife also got a ton of money.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: And what was weird about when their divorce became public
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: was that he had a like same time next year
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: situation with like a colleague first. from his, like, 20s,
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: and they would go to this, like, summer house, and
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: he would spend a month with her every summer while
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: they were having kids and raising kids, and the wife was, like,
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: fine with that.
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: I love when people have an arrangement. I love what
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: Bill Gates' version of a slut is. Like, Bill Gates'
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: version of sort of, like, bring me the hottest, most
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: athletic woman imaginable is a Russian professional bridge player is
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: so funny, and also I just, like, I know what
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: Jeffrey Epstein did was reprehensible. God, he was good at it.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: Well, I always said that I believe he acquired the
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: majority of his billions or millions or whatever just through
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: simple blackmail. I think he invited people to these parties
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: and then they'd have these wild parties. And I even
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: think a lot of these men... And this is just
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: my opinion. Innocently, maybe engaged with a blowjob or whatever,
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: thinking the girl was young and hot, but thinking. And
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: then the next morning was like, here's your coffee. And
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: by the way, the girl that gave you a blowjob
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: last night was 17 years old. And here's a video
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: of it. Now give me $ 5 million.
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Now donate to my charity.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: You know the origin story of his money with the
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: guy from The Limited, don't you?
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Explain to the people at home.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: So the man who owns The Limited is like an
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: older married guy in Ohio. And when Jeffrey Epstein was
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: like young and kind of hot, he showed up and
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: worked with him. And basically... The assumption is that to
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: manage his money... They were a couple. Yes, that Jeffrey
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: Epstein had sex with him in exchange for being able
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: to steal millions of dollars from him and just sort
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: of relocate it. And the guy, not wanting to say, oh,
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: this guy I've been having sex with stole from me,
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: just let it happen. And that his original damage was
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: sex for money makes me understand... why he then turned
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: and became so exploitative in so many ways. Right. But, like,
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: the story that Carol told on your interview.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Carol Radswell, yeah.
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: Of, like, talking to Ghislaine and then a day later, like,
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: Prince Andrew is calling her. It's just, like, it makes
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: you understand the process so much better of, like, at
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: no point in time did Carol Radswell, a, like, capable
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: professional woman say, I would love to be trafficked. But
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: then Ghislaine was just sort of like.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: You should go on a date with Prince Andrew when
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: you're out there.
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: Yes, I've got a hot professional girl who, you know,
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, an adult woman, but like.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Well, she was just widowed, Carol. Yes.
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: But also, legally a princess, why don't I offer her
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: to Prince Andrew? And it's just like, God.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And it wasn't all.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: You know, girls who were not 18 yet and under,
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: it was all. So this girl, this bridge girl, she
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: looks really young in the photos, but I looked it up.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: And at the time she was like 30 when she
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: was dating Bill Gates. But so he knew about this
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: situation and this girl had gone to Jeffrey Epstein and
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: asked for him to like finance her education and also
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: this bridge school. And so then he was like, I'm
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: going to expose this affair unless you pay me back
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: the money I gave to her. And so it was like, yeah,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: this was just one of many things. But technically Bill
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Gates in this scenario did nothing wrong but cheat on
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: his wife who he's now divorced from.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: And also like, you know, the larger moral wrongness of
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: that to anyone other than your wife is like always
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: a big question. Yeah. I'm just like Jeffrey Epstein, what
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: a businessman. You know, like, he was always finding answers.
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: But also, I would truly love to see what Bill
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: Gates' porn looks like. You know, how many, you know.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: A bridge player.
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: Statisticians fingering professional chess players. Who knows?
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. Okay. So, now let's get into the
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: real Housewives history.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: So, you gave me a couple things you wanted to
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: talk about. We grabbed some photos. This is season three,
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: which was. Luanne, Jelzarin, Bethany, Kelly Bessebode, Ramona, and Alex McCord.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: So, tell me. Does any part of you miss Alex
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: and Simon? They were just such a weird flavor in
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: those first four seasons.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Absolutely amazing. The fact that they are still striving. Yes.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: The boys are like my boys' age.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: She is on, what is she on? She, did we
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: see her in a, no, she's in a upcoming, she's
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: in the next Ultimate Girls trip.
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: Oh, really?
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Yes. The one where Brandy supposedly makes out and grabs
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: Carol Manzo's breasts. Oh. And vagina. She is in that
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: season that's coming up.
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: If there was anything that weirded me out about that
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: season that Denise, not Denise, who was the Denise on
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: Beverly Hills?
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Denise Richards.
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: They bi-shamed Brandy and her so hard. I was like,
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: how can the central scandal of this season be the
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: possibility that some of these women have had sex with
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: each other? Everybody grow up and get a little bit cooler.
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: Though I hate Brandy, let's be clear.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, that we can get in. Let's get
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: into Beverly Hills after. Let's just finish. Let's stay on this.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: What do you want to ask me about what struck
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: you about watching this? This was the season that Jill
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: and Bethany's friendship ended. Right.
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: I mean, to me, it is the bridge between this
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: season and what happened here because I was like, it
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: really was, to me, it seemed like Jill kind of
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: learning how the show was working. By this point in time,
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: Jill is producing for herself, she's making things happen. She
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: also really seems like the first person in New York
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: to start to understand the game of playing outside press,
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: and she gets a lot of flack for that. But
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: more than anything, I watched it and I was like, oh,
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: Jill overplayed her hand, I wonder how she feels about
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: it now. Well, and it also makes me think about
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: the way that, like, at Chelsea lately, when things, when
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: success was starting to happen and we were all so
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: happy and we were all in it together, but also
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: you're constantly jealous of other people and what they're getting.
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: And that energy between Jill and Bethany and Jill sort
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: of being mad that she wasn't the 37-year-old and that
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: she wasn't getting to do the Today Show and all
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: of that. But then when Bethany comes back, I'm sorry,
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: when Bethany comes back, I'm just like, the thing she
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: needs right now is a Jill Zarin. And the more
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: that I see Bethany in seasons 7 to 11, the
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: more I am like, is this person capable of having
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: a friend?
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: All of this is amazing.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: So you've said a lot, and I have to just interrupt.
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, absolutely.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: People always say, let your guests talk, Heather. I see
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: the comments, okay? But first of all, yes, because of
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: our experience at Chelsea lately where we were– you know,
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: all on the show and we had, you know, movie
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: deals and a pilot here and a pilot there, but
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: we wanted to be featured on the round table. One
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: of my biggest regrets of that time is that I
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: did let jealousy affect me a little bit. And thank
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: God I remained friends with everybody. But even with a
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Sarah Colonna, like, She had a book come out and
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: her book did better than mine. And I was like,
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: happy for her. She's crying. I'm number five. And I'm like, Heather,
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: be happier for Sarah. Like it was, I could honestly,
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: and I can say that as a woman my age,
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: that's completely fine now with all my friends beyond succeeding
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: me in every way. Like I don't care, but it
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: takes a long time to get there. And when you're
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: in this thing where you think that the one chance
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: you're going to make it in Hollywood is that if
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: your pilot that you know, that with the Chelsea Lately
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: handle gets taken. That's when I get to be the
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: mom in a sitcom. Podcast didn't even exist back then.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: I really thought this was my chance. I'm getting close
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: to 40. Like if this doesn't go, whose turn is
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: it next? Who's the baton going to be tossed to?
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: So we had all that, which is still the funnest
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: time of my life. But I look back and I'm like,
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: it could have been even more fun and it could
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: have even been more supportive. And I wonder if they
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: look– I know Jill does. I know because I've had
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: so many conversations with her about exactly what you said.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: She thought– she said this over and over. I thought
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: we'd fight. We'd have this moment on TV and then
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: we would make up. And Bethany was no longer willing
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: to make up. But also Bethany was getting her own
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: spinoff show to have her baby and then had a
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: talk show.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, it's like, it's so weird to me
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: that Ramona was able to say perfectly sincerely to Bethany,
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: you're an underdog. Like, you, I mean, when she says
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: that on the Brooklyn Bridge about how she'll probably fuck
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: it up with Jason, it's hilarious. Yeah. But like, they
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: were able to be like, oh, well, she's the one
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: who doesn't have a husband. She's the one who lives
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: in an apartment. And that Bethany was able to seize
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: so much power and success, but that it, it isn't
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: that she's not able to come back with grace.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: Makes me feel really, really sad.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: You know, it was, I mean, Bethany was always really
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: fun and everything and they did have a great friendship.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: And also what you said is true. When, so they
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: were the first, they came on the show. Chelsea came
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: to me and said, you watch this stupid housewives.
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: What two women would you have on the show? And
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: I said, Luann, I think I said Luann and Ramona
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: are really funny is what I said.
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: And then she goes, well, Jill and Bethany are requesting
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: to come on. I go, oh, that's even better. Go
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: for them.
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, because Bethany and Jill have control of the
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: way that they are funny, you know?
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: They come on. They come on. They have a fun time.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: I make friends with both of them. Bethany remembers me
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: from Groundlings.
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: Oh, that's amazing.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: And I found her number the weekend before in a
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: book that's like this Bethany, met her at Rebecca's, wants
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: to come to a stand-up show because I used to
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: call people to come. And I'm like, is this your
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: 310 number? And she's like, holy fuck, I knew I
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: knew you from somewhere. So I think we're both doing great.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: I come out to New York to pitch my book idea.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: I write them both together. And it's like, it's weird.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: Like then they're not writing me on the group together.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: And Jill's like, absolutely, let's get together. And then Bethany's
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: person is like, she writes with a person on there,
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: can I do this? And the girl's like, no, you're busy.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: And then, but if you'd like to have Bethany on
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Zoom on Chelsea, which it wasn't Zoom at the time, Skype,
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: she's doing this other girl's talk show, The Blonde Woman.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: God, she wrote, anyway, she- Jenny McCarthy?
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: No, she had this other talk show that she's like, anyway,
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: no one remembers the talk show, but she's a great writer. Anyway,
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: she had a talk show that she was always having
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Bethany on. And then that's when I get with Jill
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: and Jill's like, you're going to see this season. We
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: completely break up. We're not friends anymore. And then Jill's like,
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: and then I go to surprise the girls and On
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: this vacation with Bobby Zarin. And I go, surprise. And
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: they were so awful. You have no idea how horrible
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: they were. She's telling me all this. And I'm sitting outside.
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: That's so funny.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: I'm in this hotel room going. And then Jill's like,
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: but you know, we could talk like this. Because it's like,
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: we have that thing. I'm Jewish or Catholic, but very
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: much alike. And we're real friends. And I remember she goes,
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: we're real friends. Jill, and we have remained real friends
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: all these years. But I think in Bethany's defense... Bethany
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: was getting these other opportunities and Jill was like, why
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: when we talked at coffee at nine, did you not
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: tell me that you were going over to do this
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: talk show? Because I turned on the TV at 11
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: and you were there. And Bethany was like thinking, because
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: if I told you, you'd want me to include you.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: And we're not in a girl band.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Like I have my own aspirations. So I definitely... understood
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: bethany's position.
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: No like those sentiments and energies between them reminded me
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: of so much in my own life yes and it
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: made me so sad like for for both of them
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: but also it really made me love you know made
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: me love them and yeah um like jill was such
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: a great energy and i i do wonder what subsequent
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: seasons would have been like if you had had her
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: there And, like, Dorinda kind of comes in and is
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: sort of, like, that, like, sensible mom energy.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: But I also understand the thing, like, as a, like,
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: fat older gay guy, I do understand the thing of, like,
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: looking down at the younger one who gets to be
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: more glamorous and being like, oh, it's sad that that's
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: not me. You know? And, like, I get Jill's, you know.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: Jill was always just like, I didn't want the talk show. Yeah.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: But would I like to have shown up once in
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: a while and been on her talk show and had
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: a segment? I thought that's what would be because she
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: got her on the show and because Bobby put food
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: in your mouth.
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: Also, at the same time, a really interesting mistake. Thinking
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: that a daytime talk show was the right answer for
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: Bethany was so interestingly wrong. Because there is a level
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: of relatability that is required to do that. Kelly Clarkson
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: can go out on that stage every day, and every
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: woman in America can look at her and be like,
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: we would be friends. She could come over to my house.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: She would enjoy the casserole that I made and all
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: of that.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: Totally.
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: That's not Bethany. Bethany's so funny. Bethany is so good
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: with jokes. She's able to skew them perfectly. Sometimes Jill
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: would try to, in seasons three and four, try to
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: joke in the same way, and it would be a
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: little harsh, and it would feel, and Bethany, it's so good.
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: When Bethany comes back, And she doesn't want to be
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: friends with anyone. And she's also making these very mean jokes.
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: It's like, this doesn't feel nice.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: Right, exactly. And then she's also crying victim.
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: Yes, I mean, ugh.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: But I will say, so I was on her show
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: once or twice, I want to say, of the Bethany
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Talk Show. And I remember sitting there. There was like
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: a panel, something. And the topic was when you receive
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: a gift from your man and you don't like it.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: And Bethany goes off on, you know what it's like.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: You see the little Tiffany's blue box and it's not
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: the shape of the diamond that you want. And she's
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: literally talking and she's not talking engagement ring. She's talking
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: like she was talking about the Tiffany blue box. And
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I, I've never received a Tiffany blue box.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Like what? And I'm looking at this audience and that's
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: what I'm like the show. I remember thinking in my head,
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: the show is not going to last. This is not relatable.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: She was wealthy her whole life, private schools, all this.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: She wants to cry, broken home, and narcissistic mom. I'm
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: not debating that, but she's a girl of privilege her
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: whole life. Did she have to work and babysit parents? Yeah,
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: but she still was never going to be homeless. And
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: then she dated rich guy after rich guy after rich guy,
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: and then she became rich on her own. And it's just... Stop.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: Now she's doing middle class cosplay. She's going to Olive
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Gardens and testing and talking about, oh my God, this
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: fucking bread. Are you kidding me? Just stop. Stop.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: It's so sad because she really is so good at
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: so many things. She is so talented. And at the
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: end of the day, I do have sympathy for her
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: because we have both seen in our lives people who
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: can't hold down a relationship, like just even a friendship.
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: And I think that she wants so much Like, especially
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: with Jill. Like, after I learned about her relationship with
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: her mom and both of her dads, I was like, oh,
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: she wanted Jill to be all the mother that she
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: never had.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: Or big sister or whatever. Right. And, like, nobody can
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: give you that. And Jill being a little bit small
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: in the way that all of us have been small.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: It turned into a blow up. But, like, truly, I
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: haven't gotten to her fight with Carol, but I have
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: read extensively about her fight with Carol. And it just...
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: again seems like oh.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about the fight with Carol the fight with
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Carol is amazing because Carol really got screwed over.
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: She spent four and a half seasons I mean the
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: thing is that Andy wanted somebody he was referred to
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: Bethany as the narrator of the first three seasons and
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: he wanted somebody to come in and be narrator and
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: Carol was so good and I think Carol's fundamental flaw
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: as a housewife is she thought you could be a
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: housewife without crying She thought she could cry once when
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: she went and got Anthony's ashes. But, like, other than
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: that was being fun and breezy and didn't understand that
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: you have to, like, leave chunks of your soul on
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: the table the way that Ramona can every fucking season.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Well, also, Carol is, I believe, the only housewife in history,
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: and I've said this to her, that because she came
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: with no family or husband, she was the luckiest.
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Because she had nothing to break. Nothing was broken. She
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: didn't get divorced.
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Her kid doesn't, you know, hate her. You know, like,
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: everybody else, someone in their family suffers collateral damage because
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: the woman decides to go on the show. Because she
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: was a single woman and a widow, like, she, you know,
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: could have fun. It was great. And so she became
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: really close to Bethany. And then what happened there is
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: that Bethany... wanted now Carol's really great connections in Hollywood.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: And there was a time where she.
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: Oh, it's about the outfits. Yeah.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: The outfits, but also Carol was staying with some very
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: well-connected Hollywood executive's wife or widow or something. And Bethany...
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: was visiting LA and there was something in which Carol
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: was responding to Bethany, but she never said, Hey, come
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: over to this powerful person's house, hang out all day,
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: exchange numbers, poach the friendship, get a TV deal because
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Carol didn't do that. And in Carol's defense, she was like,
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: literally my friend was mourning the loss of her husband.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: So I didn't include Bethany, Bethany, took that as, you're
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: blowing me off, you're abandoning me, you're not sharing your
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: contacts with me, I'm going to destroy you. And then
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: for the next season, Carol was like, why are you
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: mad at, like Carol the whole time, the Columbia and everything.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: Carol was like, what is happening? I'm so confused. Why
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: is she crying in a corner? Why is she making
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: fun of the fact that I got a stylist and
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: I got a new haircut? What the fuck is this?
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: Then they go to the reunion and one of my
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: favorite parts is that she's, this is one they each,
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: this is one they used to have blogs.
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: Uh-huh.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: And all the women hated writing the blogs. What's nice
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: now is bring back the blogs, AI could write them
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: for you. But they hated writing the blogs, but they
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: had to write the blogs. And so then, instead, they
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: would go back then and be like, you said in
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: your blog, you said in your blog, and they would
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: rehash that at the reunion. And in the blog, she said,
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: she was ripping on Carol, saying like, you're you're old
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: and you have no job or no career and then
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: i remember carol's like really bethany yeah we're age shaming
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: now this is ageism and what do you mean i
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: don't have a job we have the same job we're
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: on this show together like why do you think you're
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: better than i am this is a full-time gig i.
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: Mean but the whole time bethany's back she's constantly pulling
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: rank She's constantly trying to say she's better than the show. Like,
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: she's always in a situation where she won't hang out
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: with any, like, half of the housewives. And it just, like,
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: we get it. You had your own show for three seasons.
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: The fucking scenes where they are backdoor piloting Bethany and
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: Frederick are insufferable. Do you remember that she and.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Frederick, the realtor, had a show.
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: Yes. And I didn't realize that. And I was like,
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: why are these fucking boring seasons in here?
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, because they were trying to do the spinoff, which
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: lasted one season.
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: And my intel was that Frederick was like, I will
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: never work with this woman because my real money is
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: being this high-end realtor, and she's calling me a snake's...
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: We had an oil salesman and a steak and all
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: this other stuff over some real estate deal for drama.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: And he doesn't– he's like, you're defaming me, like, on
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: this show. Like, I need to get out. Okay.
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: So the first thing that makes me happy is that
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: you are actual friends with Carol. Because my fear– because
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: they called her boring a couple of times. And I
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: was like, would she be low energy? But she just seems, like,
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: so smart and funny and, like, just sort of, you know,
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: who– who I would be if I were a housewife.
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: Maybe I would be more dramatic. But I have a
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: question for you. I was reading that possibly Luanne and
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: that possibly Aviva got paid by the scene and that
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: that was why, particularly with Aviva, that was a motivating
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: factor for why she behaved like she did. And Bethany
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: just did an Instagram live where, or an Instagram reel
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: where she talked about payment and she said that some
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: of the housewives are paid by the scene. Do you
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: know anything about that?
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: Yes, there was one season where Luann was demoted to
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: a friend.
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: And instead, a lot of times when that's happened, it
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: supposedly happened with Heather Dubrow. Heather Dubrow said, I'm out.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: And that's when she left Real Housewives for a few years.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: Now she's back. Luann was smart enough to say, okay, fine.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: They're like, you're going to be paid by the scene. Well,
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: Luann had such an interesting life that she actually, the
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: legend has it, she made more because they wanted to
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: use her so much more. And then the next year
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: she was back holding the apple. But with Aviva, sometimes,
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: I don't know, because sometimes when you're new, they're like,
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: we're going to just test you out. And you're not
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: going to hold the apple, so it might be by
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: the scene. I think that it's different with everybody.
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: Aviva thinking she could be a housewife and not go
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: on girls trips is offensive to me. Like, it was
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: just ridiculous.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: Didn't she have an allergy or something or a lung problem?
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, first she had phobias and then she had asthma.
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: She had moderate to severe asthma. Yeah.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: Anyway, this was all amazing. Before I go to Beverly Hills,
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: ask me any questions you have.
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: All right, so my first question is just like, who
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: do you think is most capable of the job? Do
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: you think Sonia treating it entirely as comedy is like,
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: I mean, Bethany leveraged it really well, but I feel
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: like Sonia's maybe giving us better entertainment in a way
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: that is long-lasting. Luann is always on a roller coaster
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: and it keeps her close to the center at all times.
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: Which of these bitches is best at the job?
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: I actually think Luann is best at the job. She's
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: had stuff happen in her life. She's been honest about it.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: She's great just being herself. She has great iconic lines.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, so many iconic lines.
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: Just be cool.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: And even though she had an alcohol issue, because I
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: don't even still know if I really believe she's a
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: full-blown alcoholic, but she definitely had troublesome times with alcohol.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: You didn't really see it on the show in a
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: sloppy way like Sonya. And so much of Sonya's moments
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: were just being wasted. And I kind of feel like
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: that's not really giving talent, just being a sloppy drunk.
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: But I do think Sonya... is not a mean or
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: manipulative person, which makes her forever lovable.
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: Do you hold it against Sonya that she calls herself
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: a comedian?
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: No, I'm okay with all of it. I'm okay with
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: all of it. She called herself a gay icon, a comedian,
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: a cabaret singer.
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: Also, there's one moment in season eight where she clearly
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: refers to her assistant as the house gay, and they
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: subtitle it the house guy. And I'm like, no one
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: believes that. All right, talk me through... Luann marrying Tom D'Agostino.
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: Why on earth, especially if you're going to fucking lose
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: the title? And I kind of, if I ever met Luann,
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: want to be a bitch to her about how she
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: does not have the title anymore because she married Tom.
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: But it's just like, part of it is just like.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: She has a title just like Queen Latifah has the title.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: That's what she said. Still Countess Luann.
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: Countess Luann. I would be a bitch to her. I
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: would be like, oh... I'm sorry, I.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: Thought you were married. Darling, I'll tell you why I
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: married Tom. I loved being a wife to the count.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: I love cooking. I love caring. I was a nurse.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: And I met Tom and it was a whirlwind romance.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: And I thought we were going to have this fabulous
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: life together. And I was very happy to start that
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: chapter of my life.
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: I think that Luann is the best written comic character
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: on the show. So this is me agreeing with you.
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: Just that, like, if you were writing a script, the
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: whole notion of she's a fancy countess who cares about etiquette,
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: and also, like, the biggest whore who will throw it
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: all aside if a pretty man walks in front of her.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: It's... Yeah, she's horny, and I think.
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: I love her so much.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: And I also.
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: I hate her so much.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: I think that what I remember she revealed to me, like,
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: in a conversation is that she... I think she would
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: have put up with an open marriage had he not
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: fallen in love and asked to leave.
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: Oh, I didn't know that. I'm not there yet.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, well, he ends up being with this woman,
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: this Ethiopian woman, and then they get divorced. And I
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: remember Bethany being like, you know they have an open marriage, whatever.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: I don't know about an open marriage. Huh?
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: Is she an Ethiopian princess?
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know if she... She was some, some regal thing,
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: but like, you know, and, and they've, they've continued the
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: last few years to have a really nice relationship. And
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: I said, do you ever think you'll get back with
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: the count? And she's like, the thing is, I, I like,
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: I wish, I wish we could have worked it out.
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: Like she wouldn't have left him over stepping out of
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: the marriage.
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: Like, Oh, the count left her for the Ethiopian woman.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes. And so then it's like she really didn't
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: have a choice. Like, then she was just like, okay,
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: but she does like being married in a relationship. I
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: think the last few years she's also enjoyed being on
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: the road, doing her cabaret, and having many lovers and, like,
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: leaning into that life, which I also think is great. But, like,
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if in the end, like, ten
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: years from now, the kid's Their grandparents and she and
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: the count are like hanging out together babysitting their grandkids.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: I would not be surprised.
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: That's very cute. The thing that is most interesting to
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: me about her just comes down to the phone call on,
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: I want to say it was St. Bart's.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: When she'd had sex with the Johnny Depp.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: And she could speak fluent French.
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: It's bad French.
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: Whatever. I don't speak anything.
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: She does speak fluent French and Italian. Let's always remember.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: But just that she does these things. She knows that
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: there are cameras there and then cannot admit that they happened.
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: Or like, you know, in the part where I'm watching now,
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: in some scenes she'll say about the count, we had
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: an open marriage. And then Bethany will say, did you
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: guys have an open marriage? And she's like, how dare you?
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: Right, right, exactly, yes.
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: You know, it's so funny. But if you are, at
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: the end of the day, a Carol Radswell who's going
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: to say there's such hypocrisy there, you just have to
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: be like, yes, it's Luann.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: Like, there's going to be hypocrisy there. That's what she does.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: But I think she is able to maintain friendships, and
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: I do think that she isn't fake about herself. And so, like, so,
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you know, but they took all,
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: they took Luann, Ramona, Sonia, Kelly Bessamone, Alex McCord, this girl,
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: Kristen Taichman, and Dorinda, And they are doing one week
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: back at that house where she screwed the pirate. Oh, really?
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: And they are doing Ultimate Girls Trip there for one week.
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: Wonderful.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: But they didn't ask Jill. Yeah. Because Jill said, I
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: want the same pay as the other girls for if
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: they were going to go back and do a Legends thing,
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: like a five-month filming. And so they kicked her out
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: just because– and they're always calling her so thirsty. She's
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: the only one that's not the hypocrite. She was like,
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: if I don't get paid what the other girls are
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: getting paid, I don't want to do it. So then
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: now they're just doing it for a week.
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, the thing is, I have no doubt that
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: if Jill had shown up for whatever they offered her,
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: she would have made good television.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: It's a shame. Establish a place back in the franchise,
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: and it makes me a little sad. Sometimes I wonder
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: whether I undervalue myself, but I'm always like, I'd rather
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: have the chance than hold out.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: But she did Ultimate Girls Trip at Dorinda's house.
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: Oh, she did?
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: And Dorinda... Was very cruel to her. Oh, really? And
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: Jill doesn't drink anything but Diet Coke and has it
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: for like 15 years.
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: Uh-huh.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: And Dorinda drinks everything else.
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: People tell me that it turns real sad with Dorinda.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: It does. And so it's like, she's kind of like,
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: you know, I think that was also part of her
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: being like, I'm not going to compromise on this and
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: be put in a position to be up against someone
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: who is like cruel and unstable and really mean to me. I, like, in.
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: I am proud of how Catholic Ramona and Dorinda are. Like,
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: when Dorinda is, like, first being introduced.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: And Lou Ann is, too.
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: She talks about, is she?
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: But, like, for, like, Dorinda, like, Dorinda yelling, I made
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: it nice, is, like, the most Italian mom energy I've
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: ever seen. I love it so much.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: I cooked. I cleaned. I made it nice.
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you guys.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: You know what, Lou Ann? You know what? Okay. All right. Yeah. She's...
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: She's a good television. Okay, let's get to Beverly Hills.
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: This is the first season, and what do you want
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: to say?
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: I just want to say, I had only watched the first,
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: I had watched the first season previously, and I, of course,
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: came out of it hating Camille.
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: Camille is one of the finest friend ofs, the greatest
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: friend of, of all time.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: The best.
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: Of course, the morally corrupt Faye Resnick. Like, any time
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: Faye Resnick enters a scene, you're like, oh, shit just
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: got real. Like, this is going to happen. Like, she's
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: going to throw a bomb and then disappear. Yeah. and
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: I love her so much. I'm excited that Taylor is
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: back on OC. It is sort of like, you know,
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: bumping somebody down to the minors, but also I think
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: she'll be great. and like I'm glad I watched Beverly
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: Hills first because I think after the flamethrowing of New
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: York it's light elegance might have seemed like you know
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: not that great but I mean it's like Lisa's maybe
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: the best real housewife. She, I would say, if anything,
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: she gets too good at it. By the season when
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: she's able to say, you know, the queen of diamonds,
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: it's like, you're orchestrating.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: The crown is heavy, dear. Don't try to lift it.
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: You're orchestrating things so much that like, it's not as
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: fun as when you have sort of like equal power.
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: Well, that's why I think now when people say, would
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: she go back to Beverly Hills? I mean, she's done
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: so much with Vanderpump and she is such like the
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: motherly figure.
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: And, you know, she was very funny at her speech
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: at the Vanderpump Dog Gala that I went to this weekend.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: And yeah, could she go back? Sure. I think anyone
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: can go back. I think anyone can go back. But
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: I think people realize that really Lisa's commitment has always,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: and her real, I think she can be a good
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: girlfriend to someone, but let's like, she, it was always
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: about her family and her businesses. As it should be.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: As it should be. That's a realistic thing.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: She's got, like, Ken's so great. Like, there's such a
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 5: good comedy game there that it, like, I haven't watched Vanderpump. I, like,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 5: of course it seems amazing and I want to watch it.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: But just, like, and also the fact that, like, periodically
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: in my life in West Hollywood, like, Ken and Jiggy
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: have shown up.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: Shown up.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: R.I.P. You know, and, like, it is just sort of lovely.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: Also, this is really jumpy. It's really like, that is
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: Kim Richards, Kyle and Kathy's sister who was escaped from
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: West Mountain.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, of course I know Kim. I don't know
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: why it didn't cross my mind that.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: That was her. Well, this is a very old picture.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: This is like 17 years old or something. I mean, okay,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: the dynamic and that's- Maybe not 17 years old. That
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: sister relationship. God, I want to know more about that mom. Like,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: she seems like a piece of work.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: Well, I know everything about her because I've read every book.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: But to me, the fundamental damage- Yes. The fundamental damage-
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: that Kyle is better at life and better at being
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: a real housewife, but Kim Richards is a better actress. Like,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: Kim Richards, at the end of the day, is a
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: real actress. And there were, like.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to say something to you.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: I've said it before, and I don't think it really
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: took off.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: What?
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: I put this and tweeted it out years ago. The
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: dynamic between Kim Richards and Kyle Richards is whatever happened
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: to Baby Jane. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Like, you just need
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: a car accident.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: Yes. Yes, because Kim Richards is the one that was
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: the real star.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: Kathy got married at 18. Kathy was just a model.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: Kim had all the shows. The Nanny, Escape from Witchmount,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: all this stuff. Kyle was littler and had bit parts after.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: And then they get on the show together and Kyle
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: becomes the star, the brunette star. And the blonde girl
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: who has drug issues and alcohol issues, I'm writing a
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: letter to daddy. And the jealousy, it is amazing.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, on this show, the strength of a marriage
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: is so evident on Beverly Hills in a way that
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: it just isn't on New York. That like, Lisa... And
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: Kyle gains such strength financially, but also just spiritually from
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: having this person who is their partner.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: Always have her back, yeah.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: Kathy's best moment is not in seasons 10 or 11
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: or 12. It is in like season seven or eight
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: when Kim's daughter comes out with the wedding dress that
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: she has chosen. And her mom's sister is just like, no.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: And she tries to push back. And neither Kyle nor
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: Kim say a goddamn word And then I forgot whether
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: it is Kimberly or Brooke, but she tries to push
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: back and Kathy is just like, looks like a cocktail waitress.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: It's like, you can never wear that dress.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: I know. I guess I would be curious to know
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: if she did try it.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: Kathy is a creature of rare power.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: Then a couple seasons in, we have the introduction of
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: Brandy Glanville. We wanted to talk about that.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: So Brandy, just basically Brandy Glanville, what is wrong with
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: Brandy Glanville reminds me of what is wrong with my
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: sister in the way that just like she needs people
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: to love her so much that she will literally say
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: anything or do anything to try to keep control of it.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: And it is that sort of like, the thing that
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: like irks me but makes Brandy safe is that she'll
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: bite any hand. Like the fact that there came a
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 5: moment when she was backed up in a corner with
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 5: Lisa and then she bit Lisa's hand.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 5: Uh, and it's like, she's dangerous. And I'm like, Sutton
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 5: kind of feels, I know that the gays love Sutton.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 5: I know that Sutton goes, um, to trivia at Tom Tom,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: but like.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: Why is it Sutton's photo? Oh, you're Sutton.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: Yes. Um, oh, back to, back to Kim.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 5: When Kim, Eileen, Eileen was a real good housewife.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: Um, but when, uh, Lisa and, uh, uh, Lisa Rinna
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: and Eileen are trying to talk down to Kim about,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: you know, her drinking and all of that. And Kim
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: is basically like, you are working actors, but you're trash.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: And I am a drunk who can barely hold it together.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: But I know I'm a better actor than you are.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: And it was very funny to me. But Brandy, I
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 5: just like, she makes me uncomfortable when she's on camera.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: Nobody on.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: New York makes me feel uncomfortable in the way that
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 5: Brandy really does. Yolanda, I thought was boring and I
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: was angry at her, but her raw Dutchness and her
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 5: ability to just sort of say, like, a ridiculous thing
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 5: to a person, it's what makes Amsterdam possible.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: Well, she is the reason that there's this.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: Saying that goes around called almond balm. Have you heard
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: about an almond balm?
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 5: I have heard about an almond balm.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: That comes from Yolanda on the show.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: No, I'm sorry. You were the one who told me
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 5: about almond balm.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: Not mom, but I used to say every article in
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: an Us Weekly, what do I eat in a day,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: would be a handful of almonds as a snack.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: My two favorite articles in a women's magazine are healthy
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: snacks you can eat at a Christmas party, and it's
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 5: always like instead of a latke, have nine almonds, and
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: then best genes for your body type.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: But no, watching her- But she said, I just want
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: to say, she said, there was a call from Gigi Hadid,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: who's now a famous model, so she was right. She
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: was like, you want to be a famous model? But
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: she said a couple things. One, she said, she goes,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: I don't want you playing volleyball with your big, wide shoulders.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: You look like a lesbian. And she goes, but I
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: do like volleyball. She's like, well, too bad. And the
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: other thing was, the girl called. The bomb.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: And she's like, I don't feel good. And she goes,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: take an almond, one, and chew it up really good
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: for a few minutes and then spit it out.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: No!
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: Something like that, just to get a little some nutrition.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: Because she was always doing these cleanses, these lemon cayenne cleanses. And,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: you know, hey, her daughter's her model, so.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: Do you think she fundamentally broke them or she taught
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: them a skill?
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: I think she taught them a skill. Yes. But then,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: of course, that has been, you know, found to not
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: be fun once she had Lyme disease.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 5: I mean, I felt really, it was really hard, like,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: that situation. He seemed terrible. I mean, she did seem
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 5: really boring, but also, like, having a hard medical situation
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: is boring. I believe, like, honestly.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: Have you ever seen the music video that she did
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: for him as she's a stewardess?
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: Singing. She did a music video for him where she
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: sings to David Foster. Where I'm like, why are you
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: singing when his former wife Linda Thompson actually wrote the
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: fucking songs with him? And was like Elvis's main girlfriend.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: So she's like, I can't remember the song, but you
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: can look it up. She's wearing like an old fashioned
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: flight attendant outfit on a private plane. And she's singing
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: this song. So it's like she tried to be like
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: more this like outgoing actress. And then she's like, everyone
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: comes around and sings. And then when they started to
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: sing like the one song that you could sing on TV,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: Amazing Grace, he was like, uh, no, please I'll stop.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 5: But like, why did Yolanda say yes is the question that.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: Is- To what?
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 5: To Real Housewives. She clearly kind of was annoyed by
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 5: it the whole time.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: I do have to say- I think, honestly, I don't
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: know if she thought it, but it's the only reason
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: her daughters are models.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: Oh, that's interesting. The only reason.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: So I think if it was not intentional, it really
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: worked out.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 5: The way she was so single-minded that both of those
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 5: girls had to be models and Adnan had to be
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 5: a model. And it's like, have you seen Adnan? But
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 5: having dealt with Aviva, you feel uncomfortable criticizing.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: Aviva from New York.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 5: Women who have these chronic health problems, I think it's
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: so easy to dismiss them. But after having seen Aviva,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 5: I have so much more sympathy for Yolanda and her
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: Lyme disease.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: What did you think about when Lisa Renna said, Munchausen's
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: and Munchausen's. by proxy?
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 5: I think Lisa Renna is real good at the show.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: I think Lisa Renna is- Do.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: You think that Lisa Vanderpump and Kyle essentially put Lisa
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: up to it to actually put that out there on
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: the show that people were suspicious of her Lyme disease
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: being Munchausen's?
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 5: If they did- good for all of them. Like good for,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 5: it established like Lisa Rinna within the show, but I
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: don't think Lisa Rinna needed Lisa Vanderpump to give that
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 5: to her. I think from the minute Lisa Rinna showed up,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 5: like Lisa Rinna and Eileen, first of all, them showing
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 5: up and having each other as friends and partners, great.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: That Eileen loved doing the light comedy portion of it
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: and showed us just how relatable her life was and
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: not glamorous, hilarious. But they both showed up with soap
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: skills And Lisa Rinna was like, I've spent the last
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 5: 20 years of my life watching these dumb plot lines.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: I will introduce dumb plot lines into this show. I
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: love it. I love it. And, you know, it's like,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 5: I like when Kim is playing the game. There have
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: been a couple of recent seasons where Kim, or where Kyle,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: as reigning queen of Beverly Hills, thinks her only job
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: is to have cute moments with Portia. And by the way,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: at the end of the day, the only housewives I
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 5: really care about are Portia and what is Ramona's daughter's name?
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: Avery.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 5: Avery. They're the most interesting, sensible people on any of
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 5: these shows. Like, I think the best thing about Ramona
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: is that she was able to raise an Avery.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: But like when Kyle is just doing like comedy and
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: not getting into the fray or when she's just crying,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 5: I get very, very tired of it.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: I miss Adrian Maloof and the energy of fuck you money. Like,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: Diana Jenkins brought it in her weird way.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: Oh, forget Diana Jenkins. Okay, let's get into what's going
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: on now. Denise Richards, okay, I want to say, Kyle,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: this weekend, had her annual white party. But instead of
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: having it at her Encino home, she had it at
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: SoFi Stadium.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: She, the whole place was empty, and in the middle
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: of the field, they put out a white carpet and
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: And a catered tables, a DJ, dancing, and Erika Jayne performed.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 5: I mean, I love that.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: So that was her Super Bowl moment.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 5: I love it.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: And there was people, someone wrote me. They said they
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: overheard Mauricio saying at a restaurant, this is going to
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: be the most epic party in Housewife history. So I
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: think they're right. I mean, some people said it looked
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: weird that it was, you know, an empty stadium. I
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: think it was freaking amazing. I wish I was invited.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: And she had Denise Richards there. Of course, Crystal was there. Garcelle,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: I think, was there. Erica performed. Lisa Rinna, not there
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: because she's not on the show anymore. Sutton was there.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: Dorit was there. And I think... I mean, I think
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: they were all there. I know I don't know that
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: I saw photos of everybody, but... Who do you.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 5: Think had a more acrimonious leave? Lisa or Carol Radswell?
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, I think... I think Lisa.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 5: Oh, really? Because I kind of feel like Lisa could
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: come back, where it just seems like Carol and Andy.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, I guess you're right. Carol cannot come back because
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: Carol said the famous line.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: Are you afraid of her too now, Andy?
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 5: All right. And also, you're so full of shit. Two
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 5: things I distinctly remember during first season of Beverly Hills,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 5: you referring to Mauricio as, or Kyle with the hot husband.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 5: And his hotness, as it's gently gotten barrier over time,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 5: I adore. He's so excited but remains out of the
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 5: fray so beautifully. I do have to say.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: I don't think there's any other housewife that has built
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: the success that Kyle has. It's been the husband's success, too.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: So many of these husbands are emasculated, get divorced. Her...
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: She emasculated him and he took the opportunity and it
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: came right at the right time. He had the foundation
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: of real estate already, built his own thing, franchised it
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: with the daughters working in it.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 5: I love watching Buying Beverly Hills because if I'm doing dishes,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: I hear Farrah or Alexia and I think Kyle is
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: on my screen.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, I know. They sound so much alike. So I
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: do think, I really think there is not a more
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: successful housewife. In the sense of family, your daughters are,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: you know, doing great. They have a career.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: The husband's great. The husband has given him so many
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: other people jobs because of the agency. And that they've
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: stayed together and everything.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: She's always relatable because she's always having falling outs with
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 5: her sister. Before we go any further, I need to
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: address my favorite, my former favorite housewife of all time.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: Dorit Kemsley.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 5: And I need to say, she is our first real
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 5: Jewish Disney princess.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, you're right.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 5: She really is. However much she's been out of the
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: central fray since the end of Lucy Lucy Apple Juice, still,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 5: every cutaway to her outfits, how does she maintain that
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: level of glam and couture? Does PK make enough money?
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 5: What's going on there? Because she always looks.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: That is probably the $ 4 billion question. And I, it's
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: a lot. You know, she was robbed.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: And all these things were taken. Yes. And luckily they
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: had insurance.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 5: Luckily they had insurance.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: Because a lot of things were probably no longer in season.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: And then she got new things in season.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 5: Yes. I would also say it is just after a
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 5: trip to London that, Where a person, if, you know,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 5: they had some things in their bags, and then they
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 5: were no longer in their bags, and then they came back, well,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 5: they aren't at the house either.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, there's a lot there. But, no,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's, you know, they own the house, they
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: don't own the house, they own the house, but a
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: small percentage, they're selling the house.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 5: The reason I am most annoyed that I am not
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 5: getting to watch this in real time with you is you,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 5: real estate, no one I know knows Southern California real
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 5: estate better than you. And just sort of the house,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 5: when they downsized houses and went to Encino, so many thoughts.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 5: I would respect Garcelle more if she had more outdoor
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: space at her home. I want you to explain to
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 5: me what her house situation is. But we're running short
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 5: on time. No, no.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: But getting to Dorit.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: The glam, you know what? She does love it. It
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: really is visually fun. It is part of her identity.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: Because what happened to the Dorit Beverly Beach bikinis? That's done.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: That didn't make it. And I know that these, like,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: Louis Vuittons and everybody, they don't give her these, like,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: you know, Louis Vuitton leather skirts and jumpsuits and stuff
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: for free.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know that she can borrow them through, like,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: a high stylist or not. I can't believe that they don't.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: Because I think.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: I think, like, it keeps people making those places relevant.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: Because lots of times, you know, people are like, I'm
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: over it. Too many people are wearing it. But then
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: you see her wearing it, and you're like, God, it
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: is fabulous. Or, you know, the rat tail braid that
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: goes down. It's so good. And so I'm like, but
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: the amount of money that this must cost, because the
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: hair and makeup people aren't going to do it for free.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: Maybe the clothes are borrowed, but everyone says they're not.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: They're not being borrowed in return. They are being purchased.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know what she does with them after. I
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: don't know if she keeps them, if she resales them
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: at the RealReal. I don't know, but that's a full-time
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: job just dressing for the show.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 5: But on the subject of husbands and their money when
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 5: it comes to Beverly Hills, I need to tell you
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 5: the two things that if I were a real housewife,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 5: I would want to say to members of the current
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 5: housewife cast. Would you like to hear them?
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 5: Okay. The first one is, and these all center around
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 5: Erica and Tom. And do I think Erica has been insufferable? Yes.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 5: Am I tired of hearing about her? Yes. But I
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: would love to say to Sutton Strack, where do you
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 5: think Christian's money came from? Like you, her ex-husband, like
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 5: you're whining about these victims. You think your husband, like
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 5: a billionaire venture capitalist, made his money by like giving
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 5: milk to orphans? No. You're only lucky that your getaway
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 5: car got away. Like, you just got out of the
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 5: divorce before we figured out what he's done wrong. And
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 5: to Crystal Kung Minkoff.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: So, Erica Jane could have said that. Let me tell
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: you something, baby. Now I'm going to say what you said. Okay. Okay,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: so Sutton says to her, Sutton says to.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 5: Her, I just want to know. I just want to know.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 5: I just want to know how you morally are dealing
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 5: with the fact that all of these victims are out
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 5: there because of things that you profited from.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: Shut the fuck up. Really, Sutton? You don't think that
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: maybe your husband didn't get his money by giving milk
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: cartons to kids that don't have schools? That's right. Let's
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: just talk about your venture capitalist husband, Christian. How do
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: you think he made his millions as you were being
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: invited to the Dolce & Gabbana fashion show? Oh, you're
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: really such a great conversationalist? They wanted you there? Or
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: was it because you bought millions of dollars of clothes?
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: Are you giving those clothes to orphans and widows? I
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: don't think so. Don't fuck widows. me. I've been buried
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: and I've risen. It's expensive to be me.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: You said it better.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 5: It's fine.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: Come on.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 5: The second one, I'm very excited to hear. Prepare your
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 5: Crystal Kung mink off, okay?
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: Okay. Well, she just is a Northridge girl.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 5: Okay. So here's what I would say to Crystal Kong Minkoff.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 5: I would say, did you know that there are 63
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 5: Japanese animators who have signed a letter saying that The
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 5: Lion King was actually stolen from a cartoon that was
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 5: made in Japan in the 60s? Now, while there's no
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: legal basis for this claim, what moral obligation do you
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 5: have to those animators?
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: Well, my husband was the director of Yeah.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 5: He stole an idea.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: He didn't write it.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: He stole images. He stole the go look. The look
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 5: of the animation is the same.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm not an animator. And you know what? I'm
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: not a fucking lawyer. That's right, Crystal. You're not an animator.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: You're not. And I'm not a fucking lawyer. I was
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: a dancer. I was a stripper. I was the lead
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: waitress at Chasen. And Tom Girardi waddled in. I thought
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: I was going to have the greatest life ever. 21
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: years later, look at me. Look at my life.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 5: I mean, she's a great character. How do you feel
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: about Garcelle and Sutton just railroading things this last season?
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, I love Garcelle as a person. I've worked
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: with her. I like her. Every time I see her,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: she could not be more delightful. She's a dedicated mother.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: She's a great actress. I think she did great. I
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: think she's held her own. I think she's been classy.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: I think during the post-2020, you know, constant racism talk,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: I think she handled herself absolutely wonderfully based on her
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: point of view of the world.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 5: People keep telling me how rough things get when Is
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: It Ebony on New York shows up.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: No one wants to remember that season.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: Also, it wasn't fun.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 5: Like, Garcelle, to me, was a little bit of the
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 5: energy of, like, when Lisa and Eileen first showed up,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 5: of somebody who still knows how to do a job.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: She knows how to do a job, but also she's like,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: like she just has some really great expressions where she's
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: just like, okay, you know, and she has to give her,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: you know, opinion of things. But I will say about
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: the Eric and Tom thing, because I've been covering it forever.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 5: I'm sure.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: And I've had a major insider, Kimberly Archie, who's a
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: huge part of one of the cases and also worked
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: for him and also had.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 5: No, when I was researching it, so many of the
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 5: pieces of information came up with Juicy Scoop as the source.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: But as I produce this show and put it out
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: for the people's ears, okay, I... It's interesting. People don't
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: really care about Jeffrey Epstein and why no one else
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: has been arrested, but the only person doing time is Ghislaine.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: I would think that's interesting. I think you would want
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: to be more... But when I do stuff like that,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: people are like, we're over it. I think they're over
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: Erica and Tom and the orphans and the widows. I mean,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: I think they care, but I don't think they're feeding it.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: It's like a binge. You're binging on Vanderpump. You were
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: binging on Erica and Tom. And now you're like, okay,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: she's skinny. She gets to sing her songs again. The
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: gays are going back to see her in Vegas.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 6: And.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: It looks like she's never going to really be held
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: responsible for anything that her husband did. Yeah. And I
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: think a lot of people are like, fuck, I don't
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: know what my husband does. So, like, maybe she shouldn't
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: be held responsible. And you go through the nuances and
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: then people go, but this and this and this and
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: this and this. It's like, I don't think people... Like,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: I think we've moved on. We've moved on from COVID. Like,
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: people are just like, ugh. We've moved on from Tiger King. Like,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: people just move on.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 5: Also, like, Tom Girardi doesn't remember what he did now. Like,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 5: it's hard to keep track of it.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: Like, it just... It doesn't matter. Erika Jayne is what
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 5: she is. I just, I liked her so much better
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 5: those first two or three seasons that she was on.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: Well, her personality has massively changed.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: And I still don't know that we know who Erika
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: Jayne is because she was one way, she had a
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: different voice in the early seasons. She was like, hey,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: it's a lot more fun to be rich than poor.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: Then she had a voice that was much like deeper
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: and like, I'll tell you something, baby, you know? And
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: now it's like, what are we going to see this season?
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: Now we're going to see the resurgence of her being like, fuck,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: I lived. I have other stuff going on. I have
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: this guy in Vegas that's like, I get to do
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: this show. I get to dance and sing again. I
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: really didn't think she would dance and sing again because
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: I thought there's no way the fans are going to
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: go see her. They are.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 5: Of course.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: People are saying no one's going to go to Tom and,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: you know, Tom Tom or Schwartzes and Santa. Yes, they are.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: Gays love a mess. And also Tom Sandoval is hot.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: They're going back. People act like they're up in arms.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: People go see Louis C.K. People will go see Chris D'Elia.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: You don't need the whole world to go. You just
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: need a couple hundred people to.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: What do you think of waterproof mascara, Gates? Do you
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 5: think that that was?
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: I just saw a TikTok that waterproof mascara is awful
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: for you. There's a million lawsuits about it. I don't
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: like waterproof mascara because it takes about four days for
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: it to come off. And the only time I've done
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: it is like a makeup artist has used it without
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: consulting with me. And I, or I accidentally use it. Yes,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: I believe that she purposely knew that she was in
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: an emotional state. I don't think she was fake crying.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: I just knew that, the more thing is not that
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: she did, that she had the waterproof, the non-waterproof mascara
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: and she was a fan of it or did actually
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: wear it. Me personally, like I said, never wear it.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: Tell people not to use it. Don't use the waterproof
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: glue on my eyelashes. But the fact that you feel
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: liquid coming down your face... And that you wouldn't naturally
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: wipe it tells me that she planned to garner some sympathy.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: And she needed to do that. Okay. Except people then
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: thought it was fake.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 5: I would now like you to turn in just for
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 5: a brief moment.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 5: Into a coach.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 5: You have.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: It's called a housewife consultant.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 5: A housewife consultant.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 5: You have Crystal Kung Minkoff.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: I have two degrees.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 5: You have Crystal Kung Minkoff in a corner.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 5: She's managed to survive two seasons.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 5: With just sort of like. Light friction. I mean, she
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 5: had an iconic moment with Sutton.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 5: But her capacity to generate drama has not been great.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 5: What do you, what is her strategy for this season?
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: This is a challenge I might have to give you
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: back your consulting fee. Honestly, it really is. Because Crystal
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: is a complete delight. I've interviewed her.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 5: I've talked to her.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: She's extremely normal.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: Like I said, she's from Northridge. She is not a geisha. Yeah.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: Like, she met him young, but like 22 or 21
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: or something.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: I mean, she clearly has her own shit going on
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 5: and a healthy sense of self.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: She did marry a guy that's like 40 years older
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: than she, but they've been together a long time. He's
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: very delightful.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: She's a mom. And, you know, like, it's, I don't
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: know what she's going to bring this season. I mean, also,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: you don't want to have people have to fake their life.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: She's revealed she's had an eating disorder. She's, you know,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: she is the first, you know, Asian woman on the show.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: So we get to see that part of her culture,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: which I think is really fun. She also has a
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: great business that they don't highlight. Which is what? She
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: created the coconut water.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 5: Oh, really?
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: That's in Costco. Really? With like a high school or
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: college friend.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 5: Why don't we know about this?
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: She has her own money. She has her own business.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 5: Oh, that's wonderful.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: They won't share it because they won't give any of it.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: Because she created it before.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: But like, why not see her like, like at least
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: have one meeting about it.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Because I think that's interesting.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 5: But listen, no, here's what the strategy is.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 5: Next season, like, the best way to survive as a
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 5: housewife is to attack and potentially destroy one of the
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 5: weaker housewives who's been around for a while. The answer
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 5: is eat Dorit or eat Denise. I think that Denise
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 5: is a harder game because you have to come, I
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 5: think if you come at Denise from the right direction,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 5: she'll fold. Like, there are places where she has a
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 5: sense of power and places where she doesn't. And I
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 5: think that there is a lot of, like, there's a
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 5: lot of spine in Denise Richards.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's what's just hard about this job. Yeah.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: Because the truth is, it's become a place of combat.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: And so they do have to do that to keep
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: their job. I also think someone like Crystal doesn't care
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: if they don't ask her back.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: So I say to Crystal, don't, don't go low. Don't
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: go after somebody. Unless they go after you or your
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: marriage or bring up that animation shit. Yeah. Then fucking
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: go after them. Then go after them. But if they don't,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: be the young, gorgeous, happily married woman that you are.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: That's a businesswoman who's smart, who really came from normal
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: valley means, who is also like super thrifty. Like, don't change.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 5: Her going hard at Dorit would be so funny.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I can't see it because neither one of them
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: are vicious.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: So that would be weird. That would feel inauthentic. So
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: I say don't do that.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 5: I know. It's just like Dorit has such a hard
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 5: and awkward time when people are coming after her. She
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: doesn't know how to fight back.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: Because Dorit, too, is a genuine– look, they're all nice
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: to me. Yes. I had them all on. They're all
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: nice to me. And even though I talked a lot
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: of stuff about Erika Jayne, either she doesn't know or
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: doesn't care. But when I saw her getting off the
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: plane at BravoCon, she asked about my fall. She was
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: perfectly nice. Oh, that's wonderful. And I am happy that
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: she's back and performing. I am because I'm like.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 5: One of the things I love most about this world
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 5: is you are... someone who means a great deal to me,
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 5: and there has been a journey with our relationship, as
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 5: there always is between sisters. I mean, who are we
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 5: if not Kim, Kyle, and Kathy? Just by weight.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: But....
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 5: Knowing in each of these worlds that this is a world,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 5: these are women, I mean, it's the truest Gen X culture.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 5: It's the truest Gen X women's culture. And that these
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 5: are worlds that you can enter into.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: That no one has ever said. And it's so true.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: And as someone that's their age, that's why I love it.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: And I love that other fans have found it. I
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: love that gay guys love it as well. you know,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: admiring women, big sisters, but you're right. It's Gen X.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: It is my life.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 5: And it is also, it's women being business people. It's
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 5: women being smart. It's defining like women between 30 and
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 5: 60 as having relationships that matter as much as husband
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 5: or child. But the fact that you can always, go
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 5: into this world that I always know. You're friends with Vicky.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 5: You have a husband who is in real estate, too,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 5: and you have your own business and you have two children,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 5: and that when you see these people, you see them
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: as people on TV that you talk about, but also
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 5: as peers, to the extent that Erika Jayne is sort
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 5: of like, I heard about your fall, are you okay?
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. So, Guy, such a delight. And I love
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: that you say that I am a sorority girl because
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: I do identify as that. It is part of my history.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of people that have said they hate
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: that I was in a sorority and that I bring
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: it up too much and that they therefore have to
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: stop following me and write a horrible one restart review.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: And I just want to say to those people, you
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: don't have to join the sorority. You can hate sororities.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: I'm going to cover Bama Rush, the HBO Max doc soon.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: I might bring it up at my live show in Vegas.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know. But that is something that I lived through.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: Like other people could say, they were a Marine. And
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: I have a right to talk about it. So I
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: love that you recognize it, that it makes me who
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: I am and the good, the bad, the ugly about it.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: And I just want to say that.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 5: You have a strong life philosophy and you have a
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 5: strong moral center, which I think isn't the first thing
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 5: that comes to people's mind when you have somebody who
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 5: shows up put together and talks about silly gossip shows
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 5: and stuff like that. But I think that it's the
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 5: reason that you are good at analyzing these things is
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 5: because you come at it from an earnest place of like,
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 5: how do I behave with the people in my life?
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: What a beautiful way to end. Guy Branum, tell everybody
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: where they can follow you and get your incredible wisdom
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: on life.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 5: Well, they can't get my wisdom, but Platonic on Apple
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 5: Plus comes out today. This is the entirety of my
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 5: press junket. I'm only a recurring. That's amazing.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: Tell us about this show.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 5: It's Rose Byrne and Seth Rogen. And it was written
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 5: and directed by Francesca Zalbanco and Nick Stoller, who co-wrote
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 5: and directed Bros. And so it's about basically a guy
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 5: gets divorced and his former platonic female best friend who
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 5: hated his wife like hits him up and is like
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 5: they start hanging out again and then she a woman
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 5: in her 40s sort of starts going through her midlife
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 5: crisis and like going back to who she was when
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 5: she was in her 20s ooh I love this and
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 5: her husband is played by Luke the hot guy from
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 5: Bros and I play his work husband.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: You're married to the Luke guy no no no oh
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: just work husband.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 5: Yes Luke is married to Rose but I'm sort of
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 5: I'm to him what I was to you so many
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 5: years ago The sounding board in your office.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: I love this. I am definitely watching this show. Platonic
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: on Apple Plus.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 5: And I am across all social media at Guy Branum.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 5: And I am working on no projects because I am
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 5: on strike. WGA strong.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Keep that health insurance. Whatever it takes. I love you, Guy.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 5: I love you very much, Heather. Thank you so much
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 5: for having me and thank you for talking to me
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 5: about this stuff. It's the thing I've wanted most.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: I'm sure people will beg for you to come back.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: As the strike continues and you have more time to watch,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: please come with notes and we will talk about other things.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: Find another franchise, do whatever you want. I suggest attacking Atlanta.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: Okay, bye. All right, you guys. Thank you so much.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: I have such exciting news. Arizona. Guys, I'm going to
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: the place that made me a star. Tempe Improv. I
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: will be there Friday the 16th and Saturday the 17th
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: of June with your favorite Chris Frangiola. Recently announced. Get
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: those tickets. Going to be so fun. You go to HeatherMcDonald.net
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: for all the shows. I've got Vegas, as you know,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: where you can get the streamer and watch it for
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: seven days after. That's this weekend. I've got Napa. I've
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: got Irvine Improv. San Francisco and Sacramento, everything. Oh, all
• 1:34:03
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• 1:34:06
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  Speaker 6: Christmas shopping has already started in our house. My daughter
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  Speaker 6: is so organised, already planning Christmas gifts from Macaulay. Hair
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  Speaker 6: care for her aunt and a fab fragrance for her bestie.
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  Speaker 6: But the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I'm
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  Speaker 6: an early bird, buying one present a week from now
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  Speaker 3: So easy.
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