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The Sheikh's Digital Ghost: Power Saws, Power of Attorney, and the 11-Month Plot to Erase a Husband · Crime Night

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  Speaker 1: Today we're jumping into a story that's well, it's chilling.
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  Speaker 1: It's about almost perfect planning, a digital ghost created to
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  Speaker 1: hide a truly gruesome crime for nearly a year.
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  Speaker 2: It really is a deeply disturbing case. It kicks off
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  Speaker 2: July thirteen, twenty twenty four, ordinary day public area in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Some civilians stumble upon this old discarded plastic bag.
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  Speaker 1: Just looks like rubbish at first, I imagine.
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  Speaker 2: Probably, but something must have seemed off. Authorities get called.
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  Speaker 2: They open it up and the contents are just horrific,
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  Speaker 2: severely decomposed human remains.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow. And the initial findings.
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  Speaker 2: Forensics had to work quickly. They confirm the parts all
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  Speaker 2: belong to one person, a male likely in his sixties,
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  Speaker 2: and the estimated time of death over eleven months prior
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  Speaker 2: eleven months.
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  Speaker 1: And was there anything specific about the state of the remains.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and this is crucial, a really chilling detail. The
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  Speaker 2: body hadn't just been hidden, it had been dismembered randomly.
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  Speaker 2: The tool used a power saw, a.
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  Speaker 1: Power saw that sounds brutal, not surgical, almost frenzied maybe,
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  Speaker 1: but poculated to make identification harder.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly that kind of let's say true violence, suggests a
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  Speaker 2: desperate attempt at concealment. It immediately pointed to investigators towards
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  Speaker 2: missing persons cases, someone who vanished.
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  Speaker 1: Completely, and they found a match.
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  Speaker 2: They did relatively quickly. The remains belonged to sixty two
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  Speaker 2: year old mam Du Nafal. He'd been officially missing for
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  Speaker 2: almost exactly that timeframe, nearly a year.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so they have the victim. Then the focus shifts
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  Speaker 1: to who did this? And this is where the story
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  Speaker 1: takes a sharp turn.
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  Speaker 2: Is it's a very sharp turn because the person responsible
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  Speaker 2: for this incredibly brutal, methodical crime it was Mamdu's wife
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  Speaker 2: of thirty four.
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  Speaker 1: Years, me his wife. But wasn't she wasn't she quite
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  Speaker 1: well known in their community.
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  Speaker 2: Extremely well known, deeply respected. Actually locally everyone knew her
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  Speaker 2: as the Shikh. She taught the Koran, a religious figure, right,
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  Speaker 2: the Sheikh.
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  Speaker 1: That's the core contradiction here, isn't it a respected religious
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  Speaker 1: teacher and this kind of horrific, premeditated act involving sedatives, dismemberment,
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  Speaker 1: our tools.
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  Speaker 2: In an elaborate months long deception, involving finances. It's a
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  Speaker 2: massive psychological disconnect to understand how this could happen, you
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  Speaker 2: really have to go back, way back to how it
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  Speaker 2: all started.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's do that. We're going back thirty five years,
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  Speaker 1: early nineties.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, early nineteen nineties. Mom du Naufahl is in his
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  Speaker 2: early thirties living in Egypt. He's ambitious, driven. He sees
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  Speaker 2: his older brother having success in Australia and wants the
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  Speaker 2: same thing, specifically a free trade business.
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  Speaker 1: But he hit a snag right getting into Australia wasn't straightforward.
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  Speaker 2: For him, not at all. He kept trying to get residency,
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  Speaker 2: but the applications failed repeatedly, so he starts thinking about
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  Speaker 2: other routes, practical ones.
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  Speaker 1: Like marriage as a way to gain status.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely, it was seen as a viable, maybe even the
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  Speaker 2: most effective shortcut.
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  Speaker 1: At the time, and this leads him to nermen, what
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  Speaker 1: was her situation then?
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  Speaker 2: Well, in yourmen had Egyptian heritage, but she was actually
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  Speaker 2: born and raised in Australia, very religious, she was already
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  Speaker 2: teaching on at the local Islamic center, that's where the
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  Speaker 2: title that she came from.
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  Speaker 1: Did she have specific ideas about who she wanted to marry?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, very specific, extremely rigid conditions. In fact, he had
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  Speaker 2: to be Muslim. Naturally, he had to be Egyptian and
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  Speaker 2: this was the absolute deal breaker. He had to be
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  Speaker 2: willing to settle permanently in Australia. She made it crystal
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  Speaker 2: clear she would never live in Egypt.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so Mamdo needs residency. Nermen has strict conditions, including
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  Speaker 1: staying in Australia. How did they actually connect?
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  Speaker 2: Mom DU's sister in law played matchmaker, She knew both
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  Speaker 2: sides saw the potential alignment. Momdu, seeing nearmin as respectable
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  Speaker 2: and crucially his ticket to staying in Australia, agreed.
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  Speaker 1: And they got married. Did they achieve that business success
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  Speaker 1: he wanted?
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  Speaker 2: They did. Over the next thirty four years they built
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  Speaker 2: a very successful trading business together. Momdu became quite wealthy.
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  Speaker 2: They had eight children. On paper, it looks like the
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  Speaker 2: Australian dream realized, stability achieved.
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  Speaker 1: It does look like stability, But you mentioned earlier control.
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  Speaker 1: Were there signs even back then?
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  Speaker 2: Definitely when you looked closer, the relational divide was huge.
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  Speaker 2: Almost from the start. Mamdu stayed very close to his
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  Speaker 2: family back in Egypt. He visited often, bought property there,
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  Speaker 2: Villa's apartments. Clearly he was planning for a future back there,
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  Speaker 2: at least partially.
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  Speaker 1: And near meen. Did she or the kids ever go
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  Speaker 1: with him connect with his family?
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  Speaker 2: Never? She and the children never once visited Egypt in
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  Speaker 2: those thirty four years, and her direct communication with his
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  Speaker 2: family minimal doesn't even cover it. Apparently, just three brief
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  Speaker 2: calls on holidays over three decades, just enough to maintain
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  Speaker 2: a facade from Mamdo.
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  Speaker 1: It seems Wow, that's incredibly isolating for him.
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  Speaker 2: Really, it points to a profound lack of integration into
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  Speaker 2: his wider life. And this isolation seems connected to her
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  Speaker 2: need for control, for possession, which brings us to a
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  Speaker 2: really critical early step she took. What was that the finances?
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't just about shared assets from the business. She insisted,
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  Speaker 2: demanded that Mamdu grant her power of attorney, not just
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  Speaker 2: for their joint assets, for all his assets, including his
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  Speaker 2: properties in Egypt, power.
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  Speaker 1: Of attorney over everything. Why. What was her reasoning?
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  Speaker 2: She claimed it was for her peace of mind, that
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  Speaker 2: she needed that security, and.
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  Speaker 1: He agreed, he gave her total power of attorney.
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  Speaker 2: He did, he complied, and looking back now, with the
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  Speaker 2: benefit of hindsight, that single legal document, that universal power
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  Speaker 2: of attorney. That was the weapon she would eventually use
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  Speaker 2: to try and erase him financially.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so that's the foundation. Decades pass. Let's fast forward.
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  Speaker 1: What was the trigger for everything falling apart?
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  Speaker 2: We jumped to early twenty twenty three. Mom Doez now
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  Speaker 2: sixty two. He's wealthy, yes, but sources suggests he felt
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  Speaker 2: deeply unfulfilled in the marriage, may be stifled by near
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  Speaker 2: Means control. He started looking for happiness elsewhere. He took
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  Speaker 2: steps to secretly marry a second wife in Egypt.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, that would definitely be a catalyst. Did near meen
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  Speaker 1: find out?
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  Speaker 2: Quickly? She noticed a change in his behavior and near
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  Speaker 2: me being near me meticulous controlling. She didn't just suspect.
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  Speaker 2: She investigated, tracked him, found out about the secret marriage.
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  Speaker 2: She even got the new wife's phone numbers.
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  Speaker 1: She called the new wives.
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  Speaker 2: She did confirm the marriage was official, not just talk.
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  Speaker 1: So confrontation was inevitable.
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  Speaker 2: Right, ma'mdo called Near Mean from Egypt. He promised he'd
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  Speaker 2: be back in a week, they'd sort everything out, he'd
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  Speaker 2: meet her demands. Trying to smooth things.
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  Speaker 1: Over, but it was too late for smoothing over, wasn't it?
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  Speaker 1: What was near mean thinking?
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  Speaker 2: Her mindset had already shifted dramatically. It wasn't just about
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  Speaker 2: betrayal or heartbreak anymore. Her primary fear, it seems, was financial.
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  Speaker 2: The thought of a divorce, the mandatory division of that
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  Speaker 2: huge fortune they'd built over thirty four years. That was
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  Speaker 2: unacceptable to her.
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  Speaker 1: So she decided against divorce.
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  Speaker 2: She decided against divorce. She chose revenge, a final, complete revenge,
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  Speaker 2: and to achieve that, she needed a plan to eliminate
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  Speaker 2: him physically and digitally.
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  Speaker 1: The planning stage. What did that involve?
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  Speaker 2: It was terrifyingly practical and immediate. Step one digital side,
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  Speaker 2: she got full access to all of Mamdou's social media,
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  Speaker 2: his phone, everything linked to her own device. She needed
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  Speaker 2: to be able to impersonate him flawlessly, become his digital puppeteer.
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  Speaker 1: And step two the physical tools.
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  Speaker 2: Step two, she went out and purchased the item she'd need,
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  Speaker 2: specifically a power saw and a strong sedative or narcotic.
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  Speaker 1: The plan was set, which brings us to that final
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  Speaker 1: night early twenty twenty three. Mom Deo returns to Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he arrives home yourmine had already prepared. She sent
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  Speaker 2: all eight children over to their uncle's place, the excuse
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  Speaker 2: she needed privacy for a serious, intense discussion with their father.
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  Speaker 1: Cleared the house.
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  Speaker 2: Then what then she prepared dinner for him, a meal
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  Speaker 2: laced with the sedative she'd bought.
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  Speaker 1: He ate it lost consciousness.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, once he was unconscious, she carried out the murder itself.
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  Speaker 2: The report state she used a knife first to end.
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  Speaker 1: His life, and then the power saw.
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  Speaker 2: And then the power saw, systematically dismembering his body into small,
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  Speaker 2: manageable pieces, small enough to be bagged and disposed of
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  Speaker 2: without attracting immediate attention. This must have taken hours, all night,
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  Speaker 2: the entire night, according to the confession, bagging the parts
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  Speaker 2: and driving around distributing them in various hidden locations, a huge,
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  Speaker 2: grim logistical task.
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  Speaker 1: That the apartment, the scene of the crime, must have
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  Speaker 1: been covered in evidence blood.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, and she knew she had to deal with that immediately.
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  Speaker 2: Her calculation here is just cold. The very next day
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  Speaker 2: she calls a renovation company.
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  Speaker 1: A renovation company, why she.
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  Speaker 2: Hires them for a major job. Extensive cleaning, yes, but
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  Speaker 2: more than that, complete replacement of all the flooring tiles
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  Speaker 2: everything in the affected areas.
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  Speaker 1: What possible excuse could she give for needing that kind
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  Speaker 1: of work done so urgently?
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  Speaker 2: This is unbelievable. She told the renovation company that she
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  Speaker 2: had killed a rabbit animal, a rabbit animal that had
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  Speaker 2: gotten into the apartment and bled everywhere so profusely that
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  Speaker 2: simple cleaning wasn't enough. The floor had to be ripped
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  Speaker 2: out and replaced.
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  Speaker 1: A rabbit animal, and they bought it well.
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  Speaker 2: The sheer amount of blood they encountered apparently made the story,
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  Speaker 2: however bizarre, seemed plausible in the moment. It explained the
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  Speaker 2: need for such drastic remediation. They did the work, new floors.
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  Speaker 1: Went in, Physical evidence gone, or at least deeply hidden.
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  Speaker 1: What about the digital side, her children, his family.
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  Speaker 2: With the physical cleanup underway, she activated phase two, the
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  Speaker 2: digital ghost. She told her children their father had left,
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  Speaker 2: gone to live with his new wife, but he'd stay.
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  Speaker 1: In touch, and she made sure he did stay in.
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  Speaker 2: Touch for months, using mom DU's phone, his accounts, she
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  Speaker 2: sent regular text messages, sent money financial support to his
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  Speaker 2: family back in Egypt, kept up the illusion perfectly. He
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  Speaker 2: was alive well, just traveling for business, sorting.
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  Speaker 1: Things out A perfect digital ghost. And this ghost wasn't
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  Speaker 1: just for show, was it? It served another purpose.
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  Speaker 2: A crucial purpose, the main prize stealing his assets. About
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  Speaker 2: a week after the murder, while the digital Mamdo was
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  Speaker 2: still established his new pattern of communication, she made her move. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: Mondeu sends a message to his family in Egypt, using
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  Speaker 2: that power of attorney he'd given her years ago.
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  Speaker 1: What did the message say?
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  Speaker 2: It said he needed cash urgently, liquidity for a supposed
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  Speaker 2: new business venture he was starting because he was now
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  Speaker 2: settling permanently in Australia. Therefore, he needed them to help
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  Speaker 2: facilitate the quick sale of his major Egyptian properties, a
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  Speaker 2: villa in Alexandria, an apartment in Tegamo.
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  Speaker 1: And the family did they suspect anything?
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  Speaker 2: Apparently not, Because they knew about the second wife the conflict.
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  Speaker 2: They likely rationalized it. They probably thought, Okay, he's selling
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  Speaker 2: assets to give Near Mien her fair share to settle
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  Speaker 2: things financially after the upset. It made a sort of
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  Speaker 2: sense in that context.
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  Speaker 1: So they complied. They helped her sell his properties.
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  Speaker 2: They did. They met Near Mien in Egypt. The sales
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  Speaker 2: went through. How much money are we talking about a
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  Speaker 2: staggering amount. The combined sales came to forty one million
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  Speaker 2: Egyptian pounds, a huge sum.
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  Speaker 1: And where did that money go into mam Dyre's account
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  Speaker 1: ostensibly for his new venture.
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  Speaker 2: Not a cent This is key. The forty one million
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  Speaker 2: egp was transferred immediately directly into Nirmen's personal bank account
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  Speaker 2: in Australia. It never touched any account associated with Mambel.
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  Speaker 1: So it wasn't settling assets. It was theft, grand theft.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, she was systematically looting his entire international portfolio. And
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  Speaker 2: there was another piece to her plan revealed later what
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  Speaker 2: was that she wasn't planning on staying in Australia. She
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  Speaker 2: was already in the process of buying property in another
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  Speaker 2: Arab country, preparing official paperwork to move there permanently with
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  Speaker 2: all eight children.
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  Speaker 1: She was going to disappear with the money and the kids.
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  Speaker 2: That seems to have been the endgame, erase Mamdoo, steal
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  Speaker 2: his wealth and vanish.
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  Speaker 1: An incredibly elaborate long term plan. How did it finally
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  Speaker 1: start to unravel?
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  Speaker 2: It unraveled because of something simple human connection or the
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  Speaker 2: lack of it. Digital ghosts can send texts and money,
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  Speaker 2: but they can't make phone calls, can't replicate real presence.
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  Speaker 1: Mamdoo's brother, the one in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly after about three months, he became intensely worried. Texts
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  Speaker 2: for one thing, money transfers another, but no actual voice calls,
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  Speaker 2: no direct contact at all. In thirty five years Mamando
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  Speaker 2: always cold, especially his brother in Australia. This total silence
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  Speaker 2: was completely out of character, unprecedented.
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  Speaker 1: So the brother's intuition told him something was wrong, deeply wrong.
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  Speaker 2: In May twenty twenty three, despite the ongoing texts from Mamdo,
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  Speaker 2: his brother went to the police and filed a missing person.
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  Speaker 1: Report and the police started investigating Nearmen.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, they interviewed her. She stuck to her story. Mamdu
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  Speaker 2: was traveling abroad living with a new wife. They are
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  Speaker 2: in touch via text.
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  Speaker 1: But the police could check travel records, couldn't they instantly?
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  Speaker 2: And that was the first massive crack in her story.
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  Speaker 2: Official records showed Mamdu naufol had never legally left Australia.
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  Speaker 2: It couldn't be traveling abroad if he'd never departed.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So now they have a suspicious wife telling a
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  Speaker 1: demonstrably false story. Clear financial motives and trans actions, but
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  Speaker 1: still no body.
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  Speaker 2: They had strong circumstantial evidence financial fraud, the travel discrepancy,
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  Speaker 2: but the concrete proof, the confirmation of death was missing until.
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  Speaker 1: Until July twenty twenty four, eleven months after the murder.
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  Speaker 1: That plastic bag is found.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly the random discovery of the remains change everything. Once
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  Speaker 2: forensics identified Mamde, the entire investigation snap into focus.
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  Speaker 1: What happened? Then they could connect all the dots, all
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  Speaker 1: of them.
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  Speaker 2: They reviewed the communication history, every single text message, every
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  Speaker 2: money transfer supposedly from Mamdu after his disappearance originated from
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  Speaker 2: inside the couple's home, pinged off cell towers near the house.
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  Speaker 1: The digital ghost was never actually traveling.
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  Speaker 2: Never left the house. Then the financial trail, the forty
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  Speaker 2: one million EGP traced directly from the property sales into
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  Speaker 2: neer means personal account, clear fraud.
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  Speaker 1: And the house itself. The renovations police search the home.
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  Speaker 2: They noted the brand new, suspiciously clean floors in certain areas.
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  Speaker 2: They decided to pull up those new tiles.
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  Speaker 1: Did they find evidence underneath?
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  Speaker 2: The forensic work done after removing the tiles strengthened their
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  Speaker 2: suspicions significantly and Crucially, when the police confronted the renovation
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  Speaker 2: company again, armed with this new context.
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  Speaker 1: The rabbit animal story came out.
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  Speaker 2: The renovation company confirmed near means bizarre story about the
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  Speaker 2: rabbit animal and critically confirmed the massive amount of blood
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  Speaker 2: they had cleaned up. It corroborated that a violent event
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  Speaker 2: involving extensive bloodshed had occurred exactly where near Meen claimed
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  Speaker 2: an animal died right before she had the floors replaced.
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  Speaker 1: So the physical evidence from the remains, the blood evidence
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  Speaker 1: implied by the cleanup, the digital evidence, the financial trill,
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  Speaker 1: it all pointed directly at her.
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  Speaker 2: Overwhelmingly, faced with the forensic links, the financial records, the
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  Speaker 2: phone logs, the renovation company's testimony, near Meen had nowhere
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  Speaker 2: else to go. She confessed a.
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  Speaker 3: Full confession to everything, to the entire sequence, buying the
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  Speaker 3: sedative in the saw, sending the children away, drugging Mamdo
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  Speaker 3: using the knife, the dismemberment with the power saw, bagging
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  Speaker 3: and hiding the parts, orchestrating the eleven month digital deception,
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  Speaker 3: the systematic theft of his assets through the power of attorney,
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  Speaker 3: All of.
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  Speaker 1: It, it's just the sheer, calculated coldness is staggering. Especially
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  Speaker 1: contrasted with her public image.
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  Speaker 2: That's the profound psychological puzzle here, isn't it. Narmin the Sheikh,
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  Speaker 2: a figure of piety and religious instruction. Yet she commits
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  Speaker 2: this monstrous, premeditated crime. And the motive wasn't a sudden
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  Speaker 2: passionate rage. It was fundamentally about money. Fear of losing wealth. Jealousy, yes,
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  Speaker 2: but channeled into a ruthless financial endgame.
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  Speaker 1: And her planning was so focused on modern systems, using
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  Speaker 1: power of attorney laws, digital communication, international bank transfers, creating
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  Speaker 1: this elaborate.
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  Speaker 2: Illusion, incredibly meticulous. She planned for eleven months after the murder,
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  Speaker 2: covering tracks, selling assets, maintaining the digital fiction, even planning
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  Speaker 2: her escape route to another country. It was almost a
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  Speaker 2: perfect modern.
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  Speaker 1: Crime, almost, but it failed.
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  Speaker 2: Why it failed because of one tiny, unpredictable variable. She
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: couldn't control a random event in the physical world, a
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  Speaker 2: discarded plastic bag found by chance by ordinary people in
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  Speaker 2: a public space.
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  Speaker 1: All that digital sophistication undone by a piece of trash.
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  Speaker 2: Her plan was built around manipulating digital systems and financial markets.
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  Speaker 2: She accounted for everything, except, it seems, the simple chaotic
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  Speaker 2: reality of waste disposal and random chance.
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  Speaker 1: So it really leaves you thinking, doesn't it, when a
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  Speaker 1: crime is planned with such meticulous detail, exploiting technology in
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  Speaker 1: legal loopholes to maintain an illusion for almost a year.
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  Speaker 1: What does this case tell us about the role of
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: just pure luck, that element of chance, that one bag
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  Speaker 1: being found. How critical is that in actually solving crimes
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  Speaker 1: that seem on the surface almost perfectly executed.