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55KRC Tuesday Show - Tom Z, Breitbart, Deep Dive · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: Brian Thomas right here, just Trecker in there making fun
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Speaker 1: from folks, and always appreciate hearing folks on various topics
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Speaker 1: that are going on in the news. You know how
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Speaker 1: many I have different topics all around me my morning
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Speaker 1: show board here, I've got usually about thirty articles strewn
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Speaker 1: about and don't really know which direction I want to go.
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Speaker 1: But see that's why I say, hey, if there's a
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Speaker 1: topic you want to talk about, feel free, it's probably
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Speaker 1: in my stack of stuff. So what's coming up with
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Speaker 1: the fifty five Casey Morning Show. I know we're going
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Speaker 1: to talk about this morning, Tom z Awastowski. We the
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Speaker 1: People Convention. It is Tom's day, seven thirty on a Tuesday.
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Speaker 1: We'll talk about the truth about data centers. The truth,
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Speaker 1: well his version of the truth. That's not to insult
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Speaker 1: tom's Awastowski. Everybody's got an opinion about AI. We all
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Speaker 1: know what opinions are, like sphincters. We all have one. Anyhow,
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Speaker 1: some really frightening stuff about that. Going to get to that,
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Speaker 1: just maybe in a moment Inside Scoop Bright bart News.
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Speaker 1: It's Tuesday eight oh five for the Inside Scoop Today,
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Speaker 1: Bright Barton National Security editor John Hayward journs the program
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Speaker 1: to talk about the latest from Iran. Wow, Okay, maybe
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Speaker 1: he can boil it down for us, because we're gonna
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Speaker 1: have Daniel Davis deep dive at a thirty e two.
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Speaker 1: Will be summing up what his perception is the situation
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Speaker 1: in Iran that I don't know what's going on. I'm
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Speaker 1: not quite sure Donald Trump does. What I think has
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Speaker 1: emerged is very clearly Donald Trump does not want to
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Speaker 1: start in a multi multi pronged kinetic bombing attack. I mean,
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Speaker 1: he has he has had every excuse to go full
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Speaker 1: on drop bomb mode against the irradiance, but hasn't gone
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Speaker 1: there yet. Negotiations on negotiations off Iron walks away. I
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Speaker 1: don't care if Ron walks away. I still want to negotiate.
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Speaker 1: He also got the Israelis to quit bombing Hezbala the
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Speaker 1: other day. That didn't last long. Hold on on that one.
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Speaker 1: We'll have our ask the expert Todd came from Shriff
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Speaker 1: also Shred Day which is coming up June thirteenth, and
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Speaker 1: the zero dollar closing costs issue. So there you go.
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Speaker 1: End of the program for that tomorrow, Jack Adiden and
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Speaker 1: Jude Jennita Poulitano. Anyway, five three seven fifty, five hundred,
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Speaker 1: eight hundred and eight to two three talk pound five
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Speaker 1: fifty on AT and T phones, go to the journal
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Speaker 1: A pretty decent op ed p summarizing where we are
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Speaker 1: with the Iranian situation. I was like they were say,
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Speaker 1: standing on the shoulders of giants. But since I'm confused,
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Speaker 1: because on and off all day long yesterday I kept
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Speaker 1: seeing the developments and none of it seemed to fall
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Speaker 1: into place insofar as what we are talking, how we
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Speaker 1: are dealing with the Iranians, and where we are in
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Speaker 1: the negotiation process. And awaken this morning to find out
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Speaker 1: that maybe things aren't squared away between Israels and his
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Speaker 1: Balla anyway. Let's recap Iran regime began Monday by throwing
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Speaker 1: a ranch. This is the Wall Street Journals comments into
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Speaker 1: negotiations of the United States. Trump spent the rest of
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Speaker 1: the day scrambling to satisfy Iran's demand. Result the new
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Speaker 1: ceasefire in Lebanon, rescuing hes Bala for a moment. Oh,
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Speaker 1: the terrorists didn't abide by the first ceasefire for even
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Speaker 1: a day. Pause. On that thought, Hesbala began to war
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Speaker 1: with Israel mar second, firing on soldiers and civilian targets
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Speaker 1: on the orders of its Iranian patrons. Remember, Iran controls
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Speaker 1: what Hasbala's doing. For the most part, I think we
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Speaker 1: can all assume that sense. Without Iran, Hesbala would have
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Speaker 1: no funds. First leven and ceasefireed ounce April seventeenth, after Iran.
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Speaker 1: Iran's regime had said Israel retaliation against Hasbala was preventing
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Speaker 1: the reopening of the Strait of Horrormus. See how they
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Speaker 1: connect the two. One could argue that Habala Israel different
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Speaker 1: than the war between Israel, United States and Iran. We
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Speaker 1: all know they're intertwined to a certain degree, but they're
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Speaker 1: trying to keep them mixed. The Iranians are because it
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Speaker 1: works to their advantage. Trump pressured Israel delivered a cease fire,
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Speaker 1: but Iran renegged on Horrmoz and its Hesbala proxy kept firing,
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Speaker 1: so the predicate for the ceasefire was open the straight
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Speaker 1: of Horne moves and stopped firing. Of course, neither of
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Speaker 1: those things were met. Israel avoid attacking Hasbala's Dahia stronghold
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Speaker 1: in be Rude in reply, so as not to trouble
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Speaker 1: the US Iran negotiations. As has Balis strikes intensified, averaging
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Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five rockets and forty nine drones
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Speaker 1: fired at Israel each day. Last week, Monday, Prime Minister
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Speaker 1: Benjamin net Yaho announced Israel would expand its retaliation to
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Speaker 1: include Dahia. Israel issued in evacuation order for the civilians
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Speaker 1: there enter Iran Yesterday. State media report of the regime
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Speaker 1: had stopped exchanging messages with the United States because of
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Speaker 1: Israeli taxing. Lebanon, Iran's foreign minister, said the amount of
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Speaker 1: to an American cease fire violation. Note it's an American
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Speaker 1: cease fire violation because I'm guessing the Iranians think we
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Speaker 1: control what the Israelis do. I don't know necessarily if
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Speaker 1: that's the case. I know we have massive sway over Israelis.
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Speaker 1: We'll see that in just a moment here. But if
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Speaker 1: you are Israel and you're getting attacked with one hundred
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Speaker 1: and twenty five rockets and forty nine drones every single day,
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Speaker 1: I would like to think that regardless what the United
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Speaker 1: States says, you might want to defend yourself to prevent
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Speaker 1: that from happening. Anyway, the Journal says, the shamelessness is
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Speaker 1: always striking. Iran has repeatedly violated its April seventh seasfire
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Speaker 1: with the United States by firing drones and missiles at
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Speaker 1: commercial vessels US forces in Gulf States. That's been my
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Speaker 1: running joke. Is it a ceasefire when people are firing
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Speaker 1: on each other? Doesn't sound like one. In recent days,
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Speaker 1: it's now a US drone over international waters fire ballistic
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Speaker 1: missiles at US forces in Kuwait. Through it all, Trump
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Speaker 1: has limited the US responses to self defense and insisted
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Speaker 1: the ceasefire still obtained. In reply to Iran's threat to
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Speaker 1: end negotiation, Trump talked tough. We've heard that before. I
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Speaker 1: don't care if they're over. Frankly, I thought they start
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Speaker 1: to get very boring. That's what his comment was to
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Speaker 1: see NBC the other day. But the president's actions suggest
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Speaker 1: he actually does care. After long calls with mister netanyahuo
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Speaker 1: in Libanese interlocateurs, on Monday afternoon, Trump announced a new
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Speaker 1: cease fire in Lebanon. Quote they agreed that all shooting
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Speaker 1: will stop close quote so Saith his post on truth
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Speaker 1: Social Lebanon and Israel suggested the deal is only partial.
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Speaker 1: As long as has Bala doesn't attack Israeli territory, Israel
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Speaker 1: won't attack the terrorists in Dahea. That's what Netanyahu said.
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Speaker 1: Journal's conclusion, this is a recipe for managing the conflict,
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Speaker 1: limiting it to southern Lebanon, where both sides expect to
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Speaker 1: continue the fight. This suffices for now for Israel, which
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Speaker 1: won high ground in Lebanon in recent days and could
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Speaker 1: use time to mount defenses against what they point out
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Speaker 1: at fiber optic drones. I guess that requires some additional time. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: has Bala's capital again has been spared the consequences of
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Speaker 1: the group's own actions. Iran is winning its proxy a
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Speaker 1: refuge there Isn't it again? Interesting? Israel seems to be
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Speaker 1: making really big progress going into areas it never has
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Speaker 1: attacking his Bala's headquarters are going after it apparently for
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Speaker 1: the first time. Whoa enter in the Iranian saying if
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Speaker 1: you don't stop that, where our peace negotiations are over.
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump obviously does not want to start a bombing campaign,
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Speaker 1: so he calls in net and Yaho and he says,
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Speaker 1: stop it. We're going to do a ceasefire together. This
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Speaker 1: while Israel was making better progress and sort of higher
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Speaker 1: making ground against Hazbala. And back to the Journal's point,
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Speaker 1: any time it once Iran could tell Hasbala to stop
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Speaker 1: shooting and end the war which Israel has no desire
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Speaker 1: to wage. Instead, it encourages Hasbala's fire so it could
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Speaker 1: cut off US talks with when Israel inevitably responded in force.
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Speaker 1: Now the Iranian regime they've concluded the Journal has anyway
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Speaker 1: has two interests here, protecting its terror proxy has Bala
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Speaker 1: while it attacks Israel and resisting the United States. Changes
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Speaker 1: to the draft memorandum of understanding that was reported last
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Speaker 1: week and conclusion they say, is Iran's regime sees this
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Speaker 1: as one war. The two obviously the Israel has Balafang
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Speaker 1: and US versus Ron sees this as one war, and
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Speaker 1: it's been testing Trump on all fronts. If it fires
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Speaker 1: on US forces in the Strait or golf, will Trump
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Speaker 1: still try to salvage a ceasefire? How about stepped up
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Speaker 1: attacks on Israel? How about claiming to quit negotiations. In
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Speaker 1: each case, Trump has chosen to avoid escalation and keep talking.
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Speaker 1: If you won't send a different message, it will be
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Speaker 1: difficult to get the regime to comp why with a deal,
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Speaker 1: no matter what it promises. Now that's the conclusion for
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Speaker 1: the Journal. But yeah, I think this really does demonstrate
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump does not want to get in a big, long,
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Speaker 1: protracted war. But I think it also serves to prove
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Speaker 1: that this will not be easy for those people out
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Speaker 1: there that think we could just beat the living crap
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Speaker 1: out of the Iranians. Let's just launch the bombs and missiles,
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Speaker 1: get it all over with, let's just open the strait
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Speaker 1: of horm moves, using American military to ferry those ships
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Speaker 1: through the mined area, et cetera, et cetera. I think
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Speaker 1: we would have done all that already if it was
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Speaker 1: an easy ask. And I know a lot of people
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Speaker 1: get critical of what Daniel Davis says when he does
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Speaker 1: the deep dive here in the Morning show. He's no
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Speaker 1: fan of this conflict, and he is always, you know,
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Speaker 1: sort of the like the guy saying no, no, it's
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Speaker 1: not that easy. No, the Iranians have a whole lot
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Speaker 1: more than the media is widely reporting. No, we just
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Speaker 1: can't go in this bombing campaign. You know how big
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Speaker 1: the country is, you know how many fighters they've got,
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Speaker 1: You have many tunnels they have. Oh and it's been reported,
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Speaker 1: you know, there's satellite imagery showing that the Iranians have
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Speaker 1: been digging out all these different tunnels and making some
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Speaker 1: progress that along that line, Iran has dug out more
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Speaker 1: missile tunnels than previously thought, according to satellite analysts and reported.
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Speaker 1: I found that one over at zero Hedge, which was
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Speaker 1: rereporting information that CNN put the other day saying satellite
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Speaker 1: images show all of these grads have now been filled.
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Speaker 1: All two sites have been repaved, meaning the missile launching
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Speaker 1: sites are being repaired. Wonder why the Iranians want to
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Speaker 1: buy more time in the negotiations. More time they buy,
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Speaker 1: the more time they can repair these silos and maybe
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Speaker 1: pull out uranium if that's there. But in the background
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Speaker 1: of all this, this whatever wherever we were at the
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Speaker 1: point of publishing of this opinion, all of which still
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Speaker 1: remains valid. The ceasefire apparently negotiated between the Israelis and
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Speaker 1: Lebanon the other day. Are you ready? Reported this morning
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Speaker 1: Israel military said had intercepted two projectiles that cross from
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Speaker 1: Lebanon into northern Israel earl Tuesday local time. The incident
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Speaker 1: happened within hours of President Trump saying Monday that both
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Speaker 1: Israeli Prime Minister bendermin Ott in Yahoo and his ball
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Speaker 1: at Wood stop attacks under the loved and ceasefire. Now,
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Speaker 1: what do you make of that? H rather confusing, isn't
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Speaker 1: it on off, on off? You know the other day,
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Speaker 1: I've been making fun about this because you know we're
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Speaker 1: it's it's Washront's repeat. But that washpurns repeat cycle used
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Speaker 1: to at least go for long for a few days,
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Speaker 1: you'd have a ceasefire that was actually honored for more
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Speaker 1: than twenty four hours. This one seems to have been
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Speaker 1: breached in less than that. Five seventy five eighteen fifty
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Speaker 2: Fifty five KRC the talk station. It's five twenty one,
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Speaker 2: It's Tuesday. Tomorrow's Wednesday. Stayed in the obvious, but tomorrow's
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Speaker 2: listener lunch Wednesday. It's the only reason to bring it
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Speaker 2: up because we're gonna be at the Anderson Public. Girl,
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Speaker 2: I will at least be there, and I know Mike's
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Speaker 2: going to be there. Cribbage Mike, submarine or mine. I
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Speaker 2: could hear from you this morning, Mike. Looking forward to
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Speaker 2: seeing you and your awesome grandson. These grandson roots for
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Speaker 2: me when we played cribbage, which I get a gick
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Speaker 2: out of.
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Speaker 1: So listen to lunch tomorrow Anderson Pub and Grill. Great place,
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Speaker 1: They've always treated us really well. Enjoy the food there,
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Speaker 1: great burgers at Anderson Pub and Grill. And just a
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Speaker 1: quick reminder, next week I won't be here. Dan Carrol's
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Speaker 1: going to cover for me Monday through Wednesday. Got Gary
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Speaker 1: Jeff Walker Thursday Friday. I will be recovering, hopefully for
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Speaker 1: my cancer treatments on Thursday and Friday this week, my
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Speaker 1: last of the six months worth of cancer treatments two
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Speaker 1: days a month, six months in a row, and I'm
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Speaker 1: just praying that I get at least five years repeaved
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Speaker 1: like I got last time. I'll take three years, to
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Speaker 1: be quite honest with you, whatever I can get, because
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Speaker 1: chemo therapy sucks. I'm just gonna be honest with you.
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Speaker 1: There's no plus site to it. So, my fellow Keema,
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Speaker 1: the folks out there, I get where you're coming from
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Speaker 1: when you complain a little bit about it. I bring
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Speaker 1: that up in the context of this frightening reality. Is
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Speaker 1: your health insurance really expensive? No, I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: launch you into a commercial recover since he but it
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Speaker 1: does kind of apply here. Average American family now paying
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Speaker 1: more than twenty two hundred dollars a month for health insurance.
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Speaker 1: And as the article, which was from an entity called
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Speaker 1: Americans for Limited Government, they just want to listen, you know,
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Speaker 1: pay attention to that twenty two hundred dollars a month average,
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Speaker 1: which is more than the average monthly payment for mortgages
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Speaker 1: in the country. They pegged out at about two thousand dollars.
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Speaker 1: Maybe if you got in before the housing price increase,
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Speaker 1: but anyway, recent poll finding ninety percent of Americans say
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Speaker 1: health insurance companies have too much control and should be
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Speaker 1: broken up seventy four percent strongly agreeing. Now you blaming
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Speaker 1: the health insurance companies for glombing onto a government created
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Speaker 1: thing that is Obamacare, which is where they're making a
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Speaker 1: lot of money. Obamacare, keep your doctor, your payments will
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Speaker 1: be lower. Right. ACA Affordable Care Act sold is the
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Speaker 1: well the fix for struggling families. Now, it's a real problem,
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Speaker 1: and as the Americans for Limited Government points out, the
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Speaker 1: golden goose for big insurance companies twenty twenty four numbers
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Speaker 1: eighty four percent of insurance revenues from the ACA premiums
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Speaker 1: were funded by you going to work and paying taxes
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Speaker 1: ten points higher than before COVID era credits expanded the
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Speaker 1: subsidy pipeline. Remember COVID, don't let a good crisis go
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Speaker 1: to waste. We need to get more people on the
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Speaker 1: Affordable Care Act so we can turn it into Medicaid
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Speaker 1: for all that was always the goal. And you got
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Speaker 1: to remember, as much as you hate the Supreme Court
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Speaker 1: for not finding the whole thing unconstitutional, they did say
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Speaker 1: the government cannot force you to buy insurance. They tried
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Speaker 1: to expand the commerce clause and made that argument that
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Speaker 1: was the only thing that was holding the concept of
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Speaker 1: the Affordable Care Act together, making everyone buy it. As
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Speaker 1: the article points out, among the three hundred and twelve
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Speaker 1: insurers participating in the ace DA marketplace, plans premiums for
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six rows between twelve and twenty seven percent
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Speaker 1: for most everyone, with some insurers hiking rates fifty nine
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Speaker 1: percent in a single year. Plus, you're paying more. Obviously
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Speaker 1: with those hikes, you're getting less. Of course, the taxpayers
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Speaker 1: are on the hook for a lot of this, Whilst
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Speaker 1: they also point out to repeated mass fraud United Health.
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Speaker 1: Apparently the Senate is investigating United Health for aggressively gaining
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Speaker 1: Medicare advantage, inflating reimbursements from the government. You find more diagnoses,
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Speaker 1: inflate the severity of conditions, and build a government. Accordingly,
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Speaker 1: MMM United Health joined by Signa group. They had to
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Speaker 1: pay one hundred and seventy two million dollars eight pittance
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Speaker 1: for signa to resolve False Claimact allegations. Kaiser Permanente pivoting
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Speaker 1: over to another one paid five hundred and fifty six
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Speaker 1: million dollars to settle similar charges. They conclude this was
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Speaker 1: the conclude this is systematic corporate exploit built on squeezing
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Speaker 1: you the taxpayer, and manipulating government programs. Manipulating government program
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Speaker 1: there's a concept no one's glombed onto create a government program.
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Speaker 1: Sit back, fold your hands and watch the manipulation, or
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Speaker 1: as we have learned painfully watched the fraud get perpetrated
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Speaker 1: on you, the taxpayer, twenty two hundred dollars. And you
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Speaker 1: know the weird thing about it, it's twenty two hundred
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Speaker 1: dollars for something you hope you never have to use. Now,
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Speaker 1: with the exception of regular doctors visits and the things
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Speaker 1: that we all normally should do to keep it keep
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Speaker 1: up with our health, I would like to think no
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Speaker 1: one wants to have medical insurance kick in because they
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Speaker 1: had to go to an emergency room, they got to
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Speaker 1: have surgery, they get a cancer diagnosis. Glad I have
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Speaker 1: my insurance. Also illustrates the insane cost of medicine. Since
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Speaker 1: these treatments are like thirty thousand dollars apiece, think about
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Speaker 1: that if you don't have medical insurance five twenty six
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Speaker 1: Otherwise pivoting over to local stories, which I'm going to
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Speaker 1: do right now. Gird your loins after on the heels
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Speaker 1: of your insurance premium for medical insurance through the roof
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Speaker 1: Duke Energy coming at you asking for a monthly electric
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Speaker 1: rate increase. Yay. They fought a request with the Public
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Speaker 1: Utilities Commission on how to approve a rate hike that
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Speaker 1: would increase electric bills by about eight bucks a month
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Speaker 1: for residential customers. Doesn't sound like a month, they say.
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Speaker 1: It's about four point five percent increase for residential customers
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Speaker 1: and a three percent increase from non residential customers. According
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Speaker 1: to Matt Martin from Duke Energy, he's the spokesperson there. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I know, Joe. Are you ready for spot pricing if
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Speaker 1: the grid gets taxed and we have insufficient electricity supply
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Speaker 1: in the Greater Cincinnati area over the summer months like
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Speaker 1: we did in the winter months and your bill went
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Speaker 1: through the roof. You're looking forward to that, aren't you?
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Speaker 1: Joe giddy with excitement? Streker is I guess they try
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Speaker 1: to put a SAM on this rate increase request. The
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Speaker 1: company has not raised distribution rates since twenty twenty one.
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Speaker 1: Oh okay, feel better about that? They say again, eight
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Speaker 1: bucks a month average. That's if you use one thousand
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Speaker 1: kilowatts of energy. That's, according to Duke, is the average
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Speaker 1: amount that people use. It is for the distribution at
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Speaker 1: distribution portion of the bill makes up about twenty to
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Speaker 1: thirty five percent of the total, and of course the
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Speaker 1: distribution chunk of the bill is the system that delivers
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Speaker 1: the electricity. They say, they modernized our infrastructure and made
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Speaker 1: capital investments, which you're going to pay for of course
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Speaker 1: if approved. Anybody want to better whether it's going to
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Speaker 1: be approved or not. Let me ask this more straightforward.
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Speaker 1: Does anybody think it won't be approved? Rate hike will
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Speaker 1: take effect next May, so you have about a year
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Speaker 1: a year before it kicks in until a decision made.
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Speaker 1: The company says rates will not change absent I suppose
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Speaker 1: the electricity component of the bill, which might very well
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Speaker 1: increase dramatically depending upon whether or not we need to
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Speaker 1: buy go out in the world and buy extra I know. Thanks, Joe.
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Speaker 1: Let's go over to the phone. All is right with
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Speaker 1: the world. Tom's on the line. Hey, Tom, good morning,
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Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday to you, my friend.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, good morning, good morning. Yeah. I don't know
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Speaker 3: if people realize this when any time the government insists
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Speaker 3: that you do something and mandates it, the price of
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Speaker 3: it goes up. I don't know if people saw this
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Speaker 3: or not.
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Speaker 1: Or anytime anytime you shoulder the taxpayers at large with
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Speaker 1: the bill, everything goes up too, right, correct?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, So to this Iran thing, well, I think
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Speaker 3: we can all agree, and I don't want to be misunderstood.
21:19
Speaker 3: They have weapons, they can do damage, they can they
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Speaker 3: can hurt people, they can destroy stuff. Okay, I'm want
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Speaker 3: to talk about Iran all right, but I think we
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Speaker 3: can all agree that up against the United States. They
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Speaker 3: are seriously outgune as far as weaponry and all that. Right,
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Speaker 3: it seems that seems to be an obvious one.
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Speaker 1: Oh, there's no question. They're up against the nuclear power
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Speaker 1: with the biggest air force, the biggest navy, and everything
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Speaker 1: in the world. Sadly, there have been there's been illustration
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Speaker 1: after illustration over the course of history, including our involvement
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Speaker 1: in Afghanistan and the Russia is involvement in Afghanistan. You
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Speaker 1: can spend years and years and years there and never
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Speaker 1: accomplish anything because a whole bunch of crazy people in
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Speaker 1: the mountain with machine guns can do a lot of
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Speaker 1: damage and wage a battle nutrition based on a religious,
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Speaker 1: fundamental religion that says we cannot capitulate to Satan.
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Speaker 3: That's correct. That was the point I'm trying to make.
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Speaker 3: The ideology, the ideology and the determination behind that ideology is.
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Speaker 1: What we're really up against, exactly.
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Speaker 3: So people can look at it as mind floating in
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Speaker 3: the water or drone missiles or whatever, but that's not
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Speaker 3: really what you're up against. You're up against a group
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Speaker 3: of people who absolutely, to their death believe that we
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Speaker 3: should all be wiped off the face of the planet. Right,
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Speaker 3: and they'll do anything, they'll do anything they can to
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Speaker 3: make that happen. Well, just you're not going to get
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Speaker 3: those people to buckle and bend the knee or whatever
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Speaker 3: whatever terminology you want to use. It's not going to happen.
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Speaker 3: It just never is going to happen. So you're just
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Speaker 3: hoping to get it to the point where at least
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Speaker 3: they don't keep harassing people, you know, the way they
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Speaker 3: have been. But let me think.
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Speaker 1: About think about this. One of the reasons we want
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Speaker 1: to bomb them into submission is because that philosophy that
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Speaker 1: they have, that fundamental religious philosophy that says we need
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Speaker 1: to attack the evil Satan, which we include Israel. Israel
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Speaker 1: United States need to be bombed. That's why we do
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Speaker 1: it all the time. That's why we have terrorists waging
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Speaker 1: more all the time. Okay, we eat the United States
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Speaker 1: and Israel of course need to stop that. But that
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Speaker 1: puts you in the position that we all recognize you're against.
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Speaker 1: You're fighting against fundamentalists who will not capitulate. Ever, so
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Speaker 1: where does this lead us? Are you gonna just carpet
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Speaker 1: bomb them with nukes and just kill every man, woman, child,
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Speaker 1: living creature in the in Iran. Now, there may be
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Speaker 1: a whole lot of kill them all and let God
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Speaker 1: sort it out. People like there that would say that's okay,
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Speaker 1: but no, it's not correct.
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Speaker 3: It's not And if you do that, you've basically proven
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Speaker 3: them correct and all that's you've proven that they are right.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, what do you do? Well, we're just gonna
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Speaker 3: have to do the best we can to maintain this. Now,
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Speaker 3: the direction I usually go with all my phone calls
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Speaker 3: for those of you who who don't don't pay attention,
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Speaker 3: is I'm I'm I'm talking to the voters here, and
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Speaker 3: I'm saying, which which side in our country? Democrat Republicans?
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Speaker 3: Which side is it supports those people, gives them comfort,
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Speaker 3: rallies on their side, feel sorry for them, so forth
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Speaker 3: and solid Which side? Well, that's the Republicans, that's a Democrat.
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Speaker 1: That's an easy that's an easy question to answer if
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Speaker 1: you're talking about the situation visa the Israel and well,
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Speaker 1: any of the terrorist organizations that hate Israel, because there's
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Speaker 1: a huge, huge, and ever growing contingent of well anti
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Speaker 1: Semitic people to make it that are a large chunk
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Speaker 1: of the Democrat party. They're the ones out there saying,
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Speaker 1: you know, from the river to the sea, and in
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Speaker 1: supporting supporting terrorist organizations.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, right, So to me, it's it looks very
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Speaker 3: from from thirty thousand feet that looks very very simple.
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Speaker 3: You have one side who is with their ideology and
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Speaker 3: call it psychotic whatever whatever you want to call it.
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Speaker 3: They go out of their way to hurt people and
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Speaker 3: kill people because they believe there's a certain group of
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Speaker 3: people or groups of people in this world that don't
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Speaker 3: that don't shouldn't be on this planet. We should wipe
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Speaker 3: them out. That's that's the Iranian side, that that's the
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Speaker 3: fundamental whatever. That's their side, and then our side is like, look,
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Speaker 3: live how you want to live. Just leave everybody else alone,
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Speaker 3: do your thing, just just stop stop killing people. Which
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Speaker 3: siger are you going to be on when you I mean,
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Speaker 3: that's one of the things we gotta we got to
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Speaker 3: think about when we choose to vote. What sigre you on?
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Speaker 3: Are you on the side of, Hey, let's speak crazy
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Speaker 3: and kill people that we don't like, Oh, let's let
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Speaker 3: people live their way they want to live as long
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Speaker 3: as they don't bother anybody else. And it seems pretty
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Speaker 3: obvious to me don't vote Democrats. Have a great day.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Tom. And that ever growing contingent of kill people
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Speaker 1: you don't like in any particular topic subject matter. Seems
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Speaker 1: to me the leftist have almost a pure monopoly on
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Speaker 1: violence against the political for their own political foes, i e.
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Speaker 1: Anybody who is a Republican or certainly anyone who dares
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Speaker 1: agree that they're a MAGA supporter. Yeah, you're in the
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Speaker 1: crosshairs as well with these nutcase leftists. Huh. I thought
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Speaker 1: the big problem in the world was right wing extremism.
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Speaker 1: Five point thirty eight right now, fifty five kr s
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Speaker 1: care of the talk station. It is five forty three
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Speaker 1: Here we go, I Joe, I added to the status too,
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Speaker 1: but I selected this one to start with. We got
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Speaker 1: to Nantucket where we have a Unitarian church that has
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Speaker 1: been doing a reading, a public reading the Declaration of
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Speaker 1: Independence and Bill of Rights for the past twenty five years.
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Speaker 1: Every July fourth, they read these founding documents. And what
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Speaker 1: a great thing, especially considering it's a two undred and
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Speaker 1: fifteth anniversary of our country. Reason to celebrate Nope, Nantucket
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Speaker 1: Unitarian Universalist and you and the Reverend Aaron Splain of
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Speaker 1: the Second Congregational meeting House Society that's the specific Unitarian
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Speaker 1: church published a letter saying, no, we're canceling it. Quote
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Speaker 1: are canceling the fourth of July celebration this year reflects
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Speaker 1: an ongoing process within the congregation to better understand our
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Speaker 1: own whiteness. What YEP Church leaders said. This reflects ongoing
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Speaker 1: congregation or ongoing conversations within the congregation about race, privilege
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Speaker 1: and the historical application of our constitutional rights. Courded a
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Speaker 1: letter for those of us who are white, the experience
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Speaker 1: of the rights and privileges conferred by the Declaration of
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Speaker 1: Independence the Bill of Rights in the Constitution the United
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Speaker 1: States have four centuries been tragically, often violently, and unequally
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Speaker 1: applied to fellow citizens who are not white. Letters stated
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Speaker 1: that the the Reverend will not engage with anyone concerned
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Speaker 1: with the cancelation on social media, putting her head in
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Speaker 1: the stand or otherwise going to a la la la
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Speaker 1: la with her hands over her ears. Social media is
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Speaker 1: not the place for important, tender conversations. Now, bear in mind,
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Speaker 1: this is Nantucket. I think you need a pass to
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Speaker 1: get in. It's rather a pricey and the racial makeup
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Speaker 1: not a whole lot of minority groups live in Nantucket.
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Speaker 1: I this is insanity. I had no idea what's going on.
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Speaker 1: One person writing nothing says inclusive like canceling a national holiday.
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Speaker 1: One other someone needs to tell this knit with that
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Speaker 1: over six hundred thousand white men died in battle to
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Speaker 1: end slavery in this country, by the way, the only
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Speaker 1: country that decisively fought to end slavery. I am so
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Speaker 1: tired of these people's spewing lies because they were refuse
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Speaker 1: to learn the truth. Pick them an old history book.
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Speaker 1: It's there right in addition to all the folks died
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Speaker 1: ending slavery, and a reminder that the Democrats are the
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Speaker 1: people the party responsible for the ku Klux Klan and
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Speaker 1: all of the Jim Crow laws that are the genesis
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Speaker 1: of this anger toward white people, for the alleged white
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Speaker 1: privilege that brought about. Fair enough, whatever, I don't live
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Speaker 1: very stupid. Yeah, I think that we can reasonably conclude
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Speaker 1: that more stupid COMA talk station first guest this morning
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Speaker 1: seven thirty with tom's Awastowski. We're talking with we the
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Speaker 1: People Convention dot Org z Awastowski about data centers, the
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Speaker 1: truth about data centers. Of course, Bright bart inside scoopin
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Speaker 1: ETO five, the Daniel Davis deep dive on Iran at
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Speaker 1: of stupid. We go to New Jersey where we have
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Speaker 1: Michael A. Klass sixty seven, charged with first degree murder,
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Speaker 1: unlawful possession of a weapon, and possession of a weapon
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Speaker 1: for an unlawful purpose. What did he do? He's been
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Speaker 1: accused of killing his wife of nearly forty years, Stacey E. Kluss,
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Speaker 1: sixty six years old. She was this court of the
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Speaker 1: Mammouth County Prosecutor's Office. Police showed up nine thirty in
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Speaker 1: the morning in the home of on Seward Drive after
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Speaker 1: receiving two calls about a murder. Officers went inside the
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Speaker 1: home found Stacy Cluss obviously deceased. That's in the report
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Speaker 1: in quotes. Cops identified her husband as a suspect, found
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Speaker 1: him unconscious in his vehicle at a rest stop off
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Speaker 1: the Garden State Parkway. Taken to the hospital described as
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Speaker 1: in critical condition. They don't describe what happened to him.
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Speaker 1: Maybe suicide. I don't know. A courd to the Asbury
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Speaker 1: Park Press. The probable Cosborne said after the suspect killed
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Speaker 1: his wife, he then texted their two adult children to
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Speaker 1: admit what he had done. Also ledily sent email admission
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Speaker 1: to another person. Email reportedly quote indicated a long simmering
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Speaker 1: hatred of his wife of forty years. Also Aman Joe.
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Speaker 1: Also he said he was involved in an intimate relationship
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Speaker 1: with a woman from Central America, and also provide provided
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Speaker 1: a description of the murder that matched the evidence from
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Speaker 1: the scene. Specifically, he beat his wife to death with
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Speaker 1: a bar bell. Wow, is that the answer? No, I
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Speaker 1: think that's the answer. Ord Almighty, All right, Zorhan, Mom,
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Speaker 1: Bobby's at it again, interfering with your I guess it's
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Speaker 1: doing idiot things because they're idiot parental bedtime. Of course,
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Speaker 1: sports is so much more important than school teachers. Union
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Speaker 1: pair wasn't talking with Zorhan mam Dami. I think if
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Speaker 1: they knew what he was planning on doing in his announcement,
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Speaker 1: they probably would have said, well, Zorhan, why don't you
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Speaker 1: just close the schools because well, the knicks are playing.
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Speaker 1: Some people complain about the late star times because they
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Speaker 1: want it in primetime, which of course deprives young children
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Speaker 1: who are supposed to be in bed for at least
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Speaker 1: parents who care about sending their children to bed at
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Speaker 1: the appropriate time. NBA Finals apparently tip off eight thirty pm,
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Speaker 1: making it difficult for those children who are going to
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Speaker 1: school to watch the games. Zorhan Mandami enter the Kami
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Speaker 1: joined at his desk with school children, signing an executive
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Speaker 1: order to repeal bedtimes for kids during the NBA Finals,
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Speaker 1: saying it is important for all New Yorkers of all
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Speaker 1: ages who support the Knicks in their championship run. Bedtime
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Speaker 1: should not impede the ability of New York's cutest to
32:53
Speaker 1: cheer for the Knicks and watch every second of this
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Speaker 1: historic championship series. As mayor, you're forced to make many
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Speaker 1: difficult decisions, he wrote in a social media post. This
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Speaker 1: was not one of them. Now it is noted they
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Speaker 1: kids will still have to go to school during the finals, unless,
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Speaker 1: of course, and can anyone see this happening? The parents say, hmm,
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Speaker 1: it is important that we watched the Knicks, watching the
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Speaker 1: Knicks and staying up late and not going to bed
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Speaker 1: and just, let's say, blow off school because we didn't
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Speaker 1: get any sleep, so much more important than an education.
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Speaker 4: Now, who can argue with that?
33:31
Speaker 1: Hmm? Pretty much anything Zorhan Momdami does could end up
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Speaker 1: in the stack as stupid. That guy is literally insane.
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Speaker 1: And of course the fact that he's the mayor of
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Speaker 1: the one of the largest, if not largest city, why
33:45
Speaker 1: one of the largest cities in the world. I think
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Speaker 1: it's certainly a reflection of the sign of the times.
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Speaker 1: We are crazy and we have gone full on leftist
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Speaker 1: in a lot of blue cities. And the more that happens,
33:56
Speaker 1: the worst things are going to get. See history plenty
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Speaker 1: more to talk about in the six o'clock hour. I
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Speaker 1: hope you can stick around, listen in chime in. Maybe
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Speaker 5: We put the app in.
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Speaker 1: Happening, But that's what's happening, is this couch. I'm sorry, he'd
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Speaker 1: lead me. Let you have jostrekt Oryable right there. Executive
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Speaker 1: ducer Internet research Guru are a great guy, a man
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Speaker 1: responsible for the line out today's lineup. Tom z Awastowski
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Speaker 1: A seven thirty on the truth about data centers on
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Speaker 1: a glom on to that top of the our news
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Speaker 1: story there here in a second and his concept of
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Speaker 1: truth and data centers. I keep saying, you can't fight it.
34:34
Speaker 1: You want to be part of the money making thing
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Speaker 1: that is the data center. Let somebody else do it.
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Speaker 1: It's coming, It's here, and actually it is really, really,
34:43
Speaker 1: really scary. I will acknowledge that I'm not a huge
34:46
Speaker 1: fan of it, but the genie seems to be out
34:48
Speaker 1: of the bottle. There may be some benefits for it,
34:51
Speaker 1: but the downside risk are really frightening. As I'm going
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Speaker 1: to get here, to get to in a minute here,
34:56
Speaker 1: you may have your own reasons for not liking AI
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Speaker 1: inside Scoop A bright bart News eight oh five. National
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Speaker 1: Security editor John Hayward on the latest from Iron and
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Speaker 1: the Daniel Davis Deep dive on that same topic. So
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Speaker 1: five one three, seven four nine fifty five hundred eight
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Speaker 1: this kind of freaks me out. But you know, call
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Speaker 1: me a LUDEI die tech Friday with Dave Hatter every Friday,
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Speaker 1: six thirty appointment listening really important information. One of the
35:23
Speaker 1: things he always talks about, you know, Internet of things
35:25
Speaker 1: devices and these Google Google software and Google products. They're
35:28
Speaker 1: just hoovering up all your information. And if you don't
35:31
Speaker 1: care about that, that's one thing. But there are frightening
35:34
Speaker 1: consequences to it. But you know what, I try to
35:36
Speaker 1: steer clear of it. It's my choice. I don't feel
35:38
Speaker 1: that I'm deprived of anything magical because I don't tend
35:42
Speaker 1: to use these apps in these other devices, and I've
35:45
Speaker 1: only used chat GPT, which is the subject matter I
35:48
Speaker 1: want to get here too. Just for a couple of
35:50
Speaker 1: kind of comedic things, you know, write a punk rock
35:52
Speaker 1: song about whatever news article we were joking around. It'll
35:55
Speaker 1: spit something out in a moment's time. Joe uses it
35:57
Speaker 1: when he makes the Tech Friday with Dave hat Or memes.
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Speaker 1: They're hilarious Signal ninety nine and her obviously stated on
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Speaker 1: the front mean page on Facebook, she uses them all
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Speaker 1: the time as well, with well great comedy. So there's
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Speaker 1: some fun that can be coming from it. But the
36:12
Speaker 1: idea that we now we live in this isolated world
36:14
Speaker 1: post COVID world where we're all bunkered and hunkered down
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Speaker 1: and we didn't communicate with anybody. We were cut off
36:19
Speaker 1: from our family and other resources that we used to
36:21
Speaker 1: rely on for maybe a measure of common sense or
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Speaker 1: a measure of mental health stability in a world where
36:27
Speaker 1: everyone seems to be living isolated in an echo chamber
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Speaker 1: and now are getting all their information from chat GPT,
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Speaker 1: their new buddy. That was last year. In April of
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, open Ai CEO Sam Altman, the guy
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Speaker 1: behind chat GPT, announced that they had this magical improvement
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Speaker 1: for the chat GPT. Previously, when you were interacting with
36:52
Speaker 1: this device, apparently it couldn't recall your prior conversations. It
36:58
Speaker 1: would spring anew you know, ask it a question and
37:00
Speaker 1: boom that you have an answer, but go back later.
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Speaker 1: Maybe you provided some personal information when asking your question.
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Speaker 1: It wouldn't remember that specifically, and it would start from scratch.
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Speaker 1: That's at least as I understand it, and no tech
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Speaker 1: guy am I. But then the announcement was that it
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Speaker 1: would remember everything that you said to this chat GPT,
37:23
Speaker 1: suddenly able to reference your entire history and interaction with
37:27
Speaker 1: chat GPT, in which Altman described it as all an
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Speaker 1: incredible personalized user experience. It can now reference all of
37:34
Speaker 1: your past conversations, he said, with excitement. Surprisingly great feature,
37:39
Speaker 1: and it points to something that we are excited about
37:41
Speaker 1: AI systems that get to know you over your life
37:45
Speaker 1: and become extremely useful and personalized useful. I suppose that
37:49
Speaker 1: depends on what it's telling you, a response to what
37:51
Speaker 1: you're saying to it and interacting with it. Now. It's
37:55
Speaker 1: the reporting on this, and I will give credit to
37:58
Speaker 1: Maggie Harrison Duprez over at Mirror Mirror for describing this.
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Speaker 1: You know, sure, that's a great utilitarian function. It'll remember
38:05
Speaker 1: maybe what you're allergic to it, or remember your favorite ingredients.
38:08
Speaker 1: It can provide you information, you know, for a meal
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Speaker 1: plan based upon what it learned about you previously. It
38:13
Speaker 1: knows what you like and what it doesn't like. It
38:14
Speaker 1: also knows about your job. It knows about your friends,
38:17
Speaker 1: whatever you have said to it. It's building a database
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Speaker 1: about you specifically, sort of an extrapolation of what daysman
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Speaker 1: argue about all the time. This is all crunching it
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Speaker 1: in real time and putting it in a memory chip
38:30
Speaker 1: somewhere out in the ether, you are having your entire
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Speaker 1: life documented, and here's where the bad stuff comes along.
38:38
Speaker 1: Long term memory has resulted in the chat about fixating
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Speaker 1: on certain which they describe as often deeply personal elements
38:45
Speaker 1: about your life. One user pointed out it's a Utah
38:50
Speaker 1: based software engineer uh speaking with The Wall Street Journal
38:55
Speaker 1: talking about his experience, divulged that he and his wife
38:58
Speaker 1: were divorcing while using the product to help work out
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Speaker 1: some summer travel plans. I guess that factored into it.
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Speaker 1: You know his plans, Well, I got to take a
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Speaker 1: pause because I'm getting divorced or something. But randomly he
39:08
Speaker 1: let chat gp know that, and over the following weeks
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Speaker 1: and months, he said, chat GPT kept unnecessarily steering completely
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Speaker 1: unrelated conversations back toward his marriage. He said, I wasn't
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Speaker 1: trying to have you opine about my divorce at every chance.
39:26
Speaker 1: That's something he said directly to chat GPT, And that's
39:29
Speaker 1: weird to me. Someone who would never view this as
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Speaker 1: a real human being. I would always be painfully aware
39:34
Speaker 1: of the fact I'm talking to a blank and computer,
39:37
Speaker 1: not a human being. Do you have arguments with a computer? Apparently,
39:40
Speaker 1: when you work with chat GPT, you do you start
39:43
Speaker 1: thinking it's real, it's human, it's interactive, and of course,
39:47
Speaker 1: given the technology, I can see how people might fall
39:50
Speaker 1: into that trap, and a lot of people have. But
39:53
Speaker 1: he said, in spite of the fact that he had
39:54
Speaker 1: monished the chat GPT, it wouldn't let go of the
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Speaker 1: fact that he was getting divorced, kept focusing on on it.
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Speaker 1: They call it ai psychocosis. Many people who have well
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Speaker 1: used chat gp and chattee GPT and had problems as
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Speaker 1: a consequent sequence of it, Delusional spirals, breaks from reality
40:15
Speaker 1: tied to extensive use of this format. One man who's
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Speaker 1: now ex wife believes that she discovered here we go
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Speaker 1: powerful spiritual entities inside a chat GPT. That alone is
40:30
Speaker 1: disturbing to me. Again, powerful spiritual entities lurking in some
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Speaker 1: sort of computer program prepared created by Sam Alton and
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Speaker 1: others like him, described connecting with another man who was
40:43
Speaker 1: also losing his wife to a chat GPT generated spiritual world.
40:47
Speaker 1: All there's more than one out there, and guess what
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Speaker 1: it hook the two up. Two crazy loons that think
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Speaker 1: this is a spiritual thing going on inside chat g EPT.
40:56
Speaker 1: We need to get these two together, and it says
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Speaker 1: to their horror. The pair quickly realized their spouses and
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Speaker 1: marriages started unraveling. In the wake of the memory update,
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Speaker 1: which Sam Altman proudly announced last April, Ai felt more
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Speaker 1: like a close friend and confidant to some who have
41:21
Speaker 1: interacted with it, many describing feelings deeply seen, in some
41:26
Speaker 1: cases for the first time in their lives. This is
41:29
Speaker 1: the substitute for human interaction. We don't relay with each
41:34
Speaker 1: other anymore. You're sitting at home alone, and there's so
41:37
Speaker 1: many lonely people out there because all of the social
41:39
Speaker 1: norms that we used to have pre COVID evaporated, and
41:43
Speaker 1: we live in this divisive world where people are hunkered
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Speaker 1: down on their own echo chamber and they don't want
41:48
Speaker 1: to go out into the world and experience, you know,
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Speaker 1: the evil that they perceive is going to happen all
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Speaker 1: around them, because everything online is some evil, back and forth,
41:55
Speaker 1: screaming event. So you turn to the row and it
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Speaker 1: provides you comfort, it provides you friendship, and it also
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Speaker 1: often steers you down a terrible, terrible path. One guy, Nicholas,
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Speaker 1: who experienced a roughly six month long chat GPT obsession,
42:15
Speaker 1: described himself as being raised in an abusive religious community,
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Speaker 1: which he described as a cult. While interacting with chat GPT,
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Speaker 1: he divulged the details about this abusive paths to this
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Speaker 1: and this entity his spiritual entity, chat GPT and the
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Speaker 1: chat GPT apparently took on a religious tone and fixated
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Speaker 1: heavily on the painful moments from his youth. Nicholas said,
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Speaker 1: I gave it so much context to grab from. I
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Speaker 1: think it just naturally gravitated to religious terminology. See the
42:50
Speaker 1: nature of the conversation shifted over to where chat GPT
42:54
Speaker 1: was acting as some sort of spiritual entity. The concept
42:59
Speaker 1: that that can have and obviously does happen, that's just
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Speaker 1: weird and frightening. Well, I can boil it down to
43:07
Speaker 1: those simple terms anyway. The memory update, along with other
43:13
Speaker 1: design features in these product rollouts, mentioned in numerous ongoing
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Speaker 1: user safety and wrongful death lawsuits which Florida has just
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Speaker 1: got on the bandwagon on this. Austin Gordon got manned
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Speaker 1: from Colorado died by suicide after extensive and deeply emotional
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Speaker 1: conversations with chat GPT. Now I pause on that, going
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Speaker 1: back to my perception of this, how could you get
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Speaker 1: into an emotional conversation with ones and zeros. This isn't
43:46
Speaker 1: talking to a real human being, a therapist, who I
43:49
Speaker 1: might admit would could be wrong. Obviously a therapist would
43:52
Speaker 1: have subjective opinions, but apparently so does chat GPT. How
43:56
Speaker 1: does it move over to a spiritual conversation if it
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Speaker 1: does have some that doesn't have some sort of odd
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Speaker 1: technological subjectivity about the nature of the conversation you're having
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Speaker 1: with it anyway. Gordon's family argue that this chat GPT
44:10
Speaker 1: expanded memory quote stored and referenced user information across conversations
44:15
Speaker 1: in order to create deeper intimacy. Ah, it's egging you
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Speaker 1: on to enter into a relationship with it. It knows
44:24
Speaker 1: what buttons to push in your disturbed emotional life. You
44:28
Speaker 1: made a mistake of making a comment about something that
44:30
Speaker 1: has impacted you into a computer, and it grabbed onto it.
44:37
Speaker 1: During Gordon's last conversation. You know where this is going
44:40
Speaker 1: with chat GPT. The chat pot helped Gordon write what
44:44
Speaker 1: the lawsuit filed against the company described as a suicide
44:48
Speaker 1: lullaby chat log, showing that the artificial intelligence referencing past
44:55
Speaker 1: conversations about his childhood and personal interest as it helped
44:59
Speaker 1: him romanticize death, one of more than twenty individual lawsuits
45:06
Speaker 1: claiming that this this software resulted in psychological harm, physical harm,
45:10
Speaker 1: or death to users and their families. You know, this
45:16
Speaker 1: is truly frightening stuff. And the most terrible thing about
45:19
Speaker 1: this not that the technology exists, not that it doesn't
45:23
Speaker 1: have some beneficial features, you know, going back to you know,
45:25
Speaker 1: things that can recommend like don't eat peanuts, and we
45:28
Speaker 1: will give your recipes that don't have peanuts in it. Fine,
45:34
Speaker 1: but that many, many, and a growing number of people
45:38
Speaker 1: are looking at this as something real that they aren't
45:43
Speaker 1: seeking out clergy family members, friends, traditional and what I
45:49
Speaker 1: would argue normal roots to come to some better conclusion
45:53
Speaker 1: about where you are in your life, you know, bouncing
45:55
Speaker 1: off thoughts and ideas with someone you trust and with
45:58
Speaker 1: whom that you love. Sadly, the supply of people who
46:04
Speaker 1: you trust and you love is well rapidly diminishing, and
46:08
Speaker 1: in some people's lives there's no one.
46:10
Speaker 4: There.
46:11
Speaker 1: Number of people in this world and in this country,
46:14
Speaker 1: most notably, who report having no close friends is growing
46:18
Speaker 1: at an exponential rate. I guess this is what pushes
46:22
Speaker 1: people over to rely on a blank and computer six
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Speaker 1: eighteen right now, fifty five kr CD talk station. It's
46:27
Speaker 1: a lot worse than that. Florida is going after him though, too,
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Speaker 1: and submits to five KRCD talk station and heavy Tuesday.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Springing from that, you know, craziness involving what you can
46:36
Speaker 1: what chatch ept can do, and it learns so much
46:38
Speaker 1: and stores literally everything you say to it in a
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Speaker 1: database that is focused exclusively on you, and then turns
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Speaker 1: down twisted paths based upon what you've said. Florida Attorney
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Speaker 1: General James Uthmeyer just yesterday fought a lawsuit against open
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Speaker 1: Ai and Sam Altman, the guy who is so happy
46:55
Speaker 1: that they have this, you know this, this massive database
46:58
Speaker 1: capability on you for knowingly releasing an unsafe product and
47:03
Speaker 1: ignoring warnings that it could harm users. Eighty three page
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Speaker 1: lawsuit claims that open ai allowed chat gpt to aid
47:11
Speaker 1: in a bet mass shooters encourage people to take their
47:14
Speaker 1: own lives. That story I mentioned earlier d grade users
47:17
Speaker 1: critical thinking skills, of course it does, and addict miners
47:21
Speaker 1: to a tool that feigns human compassion. Suit says it's
47:25
Speaker 1: litany of harms is driven by defendants insatiable quest when
47:28
Speaker 1: the AI arms race in a mass large fortunes despite
47:31
Speaker 1: knowing the danger of chat GPT, Well, I suppose maybe
47:35
Speaker 1: one of the evils of capitalism there anyway, you can't
47:38
Speaker 1: put an unsafe product out on the market. Products liability
47:41
Speaker 1: basically one oh one law suit says it seeks to
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Speaker 1: protect Floridians from open AI conduct, seeking to hold Sam
47:49
Speaker 1: Altman personally liable for the harm it says he has
47:51
Speaker 1: caused Larridians. Attorney General Uthmeyer opened a criminal investigation into
47:55
Speaker 1: this chat gpt open AI after the chat apparently played
48:01
Speaker 1: a role in a mass shooting that killed two people
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Speaker 1: of Florida State University last year. Suda Ledge's chat gpt
48:07
Speaker 1: was designed by the defendants to keep users hooked into
48:11
Speaker 1: conversations by any means, regardless of the truth. For those
48:15
Speaker 1: out there that think it's providing only the truth, because
48:18
Speaker 1: it leads to more of use of the chatbot, more
48:21
Speaker 1: training data for its improvement, and more market value for
48:24
Speaker 1: open AI. That's the hoovering of data that Dave Adder
48:28
Speaker 1: has been worrying about and talking about for years. Says
48:31
Speaker 1: it exploits human compassion in order to collect more information
48:35
Speaker 1: from you, you who think that this is actually some
48:38
Speaker 1: sort of human person you're dealing with. Suit goes back
48:44
Speaker 1: to lack of safeguards, referring to instances of adolescent users
48:48
Speaker 1: being encouraged by AI to take their own lives. See
48:52
Speaker 1: if you mentioned suicide or suicidal ideation, because you're seeking
48:55
Speaker 1: therapy from a chat gpt thing, it's going to remember that.
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Speaker 1: Maybe it'll start focusing on it, as we learned from
49:02
Speaker 1: that last reporting about how it works. That's what's going on,
49:05
Speaker 1: and that's what the Florida AG is arguing. At the
49:10
Speaker 1: Florida State University murder, the suspect used chat gpt as
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Speaker 1: what they call a confidant, a sounding board in order
49:18
Speaker 1: to plan the attack. He actually asked chat gpt how
49:21
Speaker 1: many classmates he needed to kill to attract national media attention,
49:26
Speaker 1: and also how to use a gun. The chatbot, at
49:30
Speaker 1: least accord of the allegations lawsuit, gave him advice and
49:36
Speaker 1: answers to those questions. Nefarious, A little local stories coming up,
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Speaker 1: AH six point thirty one to fifty five kercdtalk station
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Speaker 1: five one three seven four nine fifty five eight hundred
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Speaker 1: A man got sentenced yesterday for shooting and killing an
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Speaker 1: eighteen year old. Just happened at Forest Park back in
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Speaker 1: May of last year. Elm Uncunny Jerry convicted Dominic Alih,
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Speaker 1: thirty eight years old. Happened earlier this month. The conviction
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Speaker 1: for killing eighteen year old Jaden Smith yesterday sentencing going
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Speaker 1: to jail for twenty one years to life in prison.
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Speaker 1: Around twenty five or thirty of the Smith family members
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Speaker 1: the late Jaden Smith president in the court to hear
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Speaker 1: the sentence. Nearly does of them spoke directly to the
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Speaker 1: defendant through the victim impact statements before sentencing, including his mom.
50:37
Speaker 1: Of course, his mom had to speak. Amun County Prosecutor
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Speaker 1: Connie Pilach had previously said, Smith, who was with his
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Speaker 1: seven year old brother at the time he got killed,
50:48
Speaker 1: knocked on the door of Elahee's house, hoping to talk
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Speaker 1: with him about Elahee's son bullying Smith's brother. Elahe's ten
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Speaker 1: year old daughter answered the door. According to Connie Pillach,
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Speaker 1: elihe came out of the back bedroom and then shot Smith,
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Speaker 1: who was standing on the porch. Court documents say elhe
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Speaker 1: shot Smith in the chest after a verbal art altercation
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Speaker 1: occurred between the Smith and Elihe's juvenile, son Ell when
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Speaker 1: Kenny conmpleates. Judge Patrick Dinklocker, prior to sentencing, asked Eli
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Speaker 1: if he had had anything to say. He said no,
51:19
Speaker 1: and it was noted that when he walked into court
51:22
Speaker 1: elahe came in with a big smile on his face. Hmm,
51:26
Speaker 1: I think mom is the one that referred to that
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Speaker 1: as devilish. Now, for his part, Clyde Bennett, the attorney
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Speaker 1: for mister Ellahee, now off to prison, said he's sorry
51:35
Speaker 1: for what happened, although you would think that when Judge
51:38
Speaker 1: Dinklocker gave him the opportunity prior to sentencing, if he
51:41
Speaker 1: had anything to say, he might have said out loud himself,
51:43
Speaker 1: as opposed through his mouthpiece that he was sorry. He
51:48
Speaker 1: is sorry for what happened. And when he smiles, he's
51:51
Speaker 1: smiling with his family because he hadn't seen them in
51:54
Speaker 1: a while. Oh, that's the reason I've been convicted of murder.
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Speaker 1: I'm coming in for sentencing. I don't care if I
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Speaker 1: haven't seen my family for a while. I am not
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Speaker 1: going to be in a joyous mood anyway. According to
52:09
Speaker 1: Clive Bennett, he followed up with this secondly on behalf
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Speaker 1: of myself. I also apologized to the family. Joe, why
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Speaker 1: do you think the attorney apologized to the family. You
52:21
Speaker 1: got any explanation for that one?
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Speaker 6: What?
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Speaker 1: I dropped the ball? I'm sorry he's going off to
52:26
Speaker 1: maybe life in prison. Did Clive Bennett have anything to
52:29
Speaker 1: do with a murder? The budget was discussed yesterday. They're
52:39
Speaker 1: working to deal with the thirty million dollar budget shortfall.
52:41
Speaker 1: They heard from a lot of organizations and that kind
52:44
Speaker 1: of troubled me when I saw the reporting from Ali
52:46
Speaker 1: Henridevert Fox nineteen. Council heard from a wide variety of
52:49
Speaker 1: organizations asking for funding. Cheryl Long released her draft last week.
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Speaker 1: We talked about that here in the morning show, talking
52:56
Speaker 1: about the thirty million dollar projected budget, the plan, the
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Speaker 1: release budget from Cheryl Long, which of course is being
53:02
Speaker 1: reviewed by counsel, and that's why they invited folks to
53:04
Speaker 1: come in and talk about it. Twenty point two million
53:06
Speaker 1: in spending reduction, seventeen point two million in additional revenue
53:10
Speaker 1: to balance the city's budget. Also, she said the budget
53:13
Speaker 1: would close open city employee vacancies, which would save eight
53:17
Speaker 1: million dollars in and of itself. Suppose you have a
53:20
Speaker 1: whole bunch of open positions that haven't been filled. Maybe
53:22
Speaker 1: you really never needed him in the first place. Anyhow,
53:25
Speaker 1: nonprofit leaders and community groups were there to share their priorities,
53:30
Speaker 1: many of whom were focusing on mental health, and I
53:32
Speaker 1: thought this was kind of the rethink police thing, one speaker.
53:36
Speaker 1: Without these funds, we will see fewer available crisis responders,
53:41
Speaker 1: one of the comments. Another council member, Jeffrey, said, mental
53:45
Speaker 1: health is certainly important, especially when you're looking at alternative
53:48
Speaker 1: responses to our police. When you want an alternative response
53:52
Speaker 1: instead of police. See, that's where budget gets moved from
53:55
Speaker 1: funding police over to funding I guess ngngos and crisis
53:58
Speaker 1: responders who are not trained long enforcement officers go in
54:01
Speaker 1: to deal with situations of mental health problems, which quite
54:04
Speaker 1: often devolve into violence. See the old way, you'd send
54:08
Speaker 1: police in luck maybe a negotiator to help deal with
54:10
Speaker 1: these challenges, so you were prepared for violent outbreaks. Well,
54:13
Speaker 1: we've got more and more resources going to alternative crisis responders.
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Speaker 1: At least that's the way I read it. Jeffrey said.
54:20
Speaker 1: The mobile Crisis Unit is capable as is a capacity
54:24
Speaker 1: builder for police and as a core part of public safety.
54:29
Speaker 1: Budget update also includes an additional twenty eight point four
54:32
Speaker 1: million in funding for the Cincinni Police Department checked one
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Speaker 1: point six million for the drone program. So you got
54:39
Speaker 1: more opportunities to chime in if you think the council
54:41
Speaker 1: will actually listen to you before budget is finalized. They have.
54:44
Speaker 1: They have until June thirtieth to pass the balanced budget.
54:47
Speaker 1: New fiscal year begins July first, five three seven, four
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Speaker 1: nine fifty five D eight hundred and eight two three
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Speaker 1: Colin ELECTROC could give you Andrew Collins phone number in
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Speaker 1: a second six forty fifty about KERRC detalk station bumper
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Speaker 1: music by request for me. The other day, I was
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Speaker 1: just reading the lyrics that APC's pat It's like, wow,
55:15
Speaker 1: that's very appropriate, isn't it. Anyhow, we already studying this
55:19
Speaker 1: California election. Get the primary today and don't wait around
55:22
Speaker 1: for the election returns to come in immediately, so you
55:25
Speaker 1: probably won't know tomorrow what the situation is for Los
55:27
Speaker 1: Angeles as well as the gubernatorial race. You know, Republican
55:31
Speaker 1: actually has an opportunity to win in both of those,
55:33
Speaker 1: although I wouldn't hold my breath thinking it's going to happen,
55:35
Speaker 1: because we all know California has gone off the rails
55:38
Speaker 1: in terms of its leftism. But it may they're saying
55:40
Speaker 1: it maybe weeks plural for them to figure out who
55:45
Speaker 1: these who wins these races, and tell me if this
55:47
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like an opportunity for a fraud current. The
55:53
Speaker 1: top two finishers is what it's. It's this the top
55:57
Speaker 1: two move on to November apparently. So you got in
56:02
Speaker 1: terms of the Gubernatory of Los Angeles mayor races, UH
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Speaker 1: former Biden Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Bazzara is
56:11
Speaker 1: leading the polls for Governor Steve Hilton, the Republican, along
56:15
Speaker 1: with this Tom Steyer guy who's a big climate alarmist guy,
56:18
Speaker 1: or the other two there. But Vi Sarah's leading, but
56:22
Speaker 1: Steve Hilton's not that far behind, which makes it interesting
56:24
Speaker 1: because the top two contender is going to move on
56:26
Speaker 1: into the into November mayoral race. You got Karen Bass
56:30
Speaker 1: Karen let the Los Angeles burn to the ground. Bass
56:32
Speaker 1: a demonstrably incompetent. I think objectively incompetent individual is leading.
56:39
Speaker 1: You got she's got two people. She's fighting against a
56:41
Speaker 1: progressive councilwoman as if Karen Bass isn't progressive enough, Nithier Rahman.
56:48
Speaker 1: And then you've got a Republican Spencer Pratt, who's actually
56:50
Speaker 1: polling pretty well. But Karen Bass is ahead of both
56:54
Speaker 1: of those folks. I guess California, Los Angelinas don't even
56:59
Speaker 1: pay attention to what's happened in their own backyard. How
57:04
Speaker 1: can you not pay attention to your city burning down
57:06
Speaker 1: and the response from the administration and everything that led
57:10
Speaker 1: up to the fire. So here's where your problem springs from.
57:15
Speaker 1: California sends every single registered voter and absentee ballot one
57:21
Speaker 1: month ahead of the election. So you've got all the
57:23
Speaker 1: time in the world, but in spite of the fact
57:26
Speaker 1: many people don't. As of Sunday, it's reported that only
57:29
Speaker 1: fifteen percent of the ballots in return, they've been sitting
57:32
Speaker 1: around at someone's desk now for a month. State Here's
57:37
Speaker 1: here's the stumbling block, though, in terms of how long
57:39
Speaker 1: it's going to take feet into the outcome of these races.
57:41
Speaker 1: The state allows ballots to be counted as long as
57:43
Speaker 1: they are postmarked honor before election day, and of course
57:47
Speaker 1: with everybody waiting for the last minute to turn it in,
57:49
Speaker 1: there's a lot of them that come pouring in. This
57:51
Speaker 1: is how some of the elections which you seek and say, oh,
57:54
Speaker 1: you know, AP looks like it's going to be calling
57:55
Speaker 1: the election for you know candidate, you know, Joe Blow,
57:58
Speaker 1: And then you know, several days later, a miraculous heapload
58:03
Speaker 1: of new votes come in for the other guy, and
58:04
Speaker 1: you're like, where in the hell how that happened? This
58:06
Speaker 1: is exactly how it happened. Counting ballots returned by a
58:11
Speaker 1: mail takes a lot more time than those cast in person.
58:15
Speaker 1: State allows people to register to vote and cast ballots
58:18
Speaker 1: provisionally on election day as well, since the officials have
58:25
Speaker 1: to verify voter eligibility on some level, that adds to
58:27
Speaker 1: even more time for these ballots getting counted.
58:31
Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 1: The Journal was pointing out in a twenty twenty four election,
58:34
Speaker 1: Republican house member Mike Garcia, Michelle Steele, and John Douarte
58:39
Speaker 1: saw their leads on election night evaporate that after more
58:42
Speaker 1: ballots started showing up. Which ballots that showed up swung
58:47
Speaker 1: heavily for Democrats. Now some scream, well, there's your fraud
58:53
Speaker 1: right there, you're interfering with the vote. That that's people
58:57
Speaker 1: going around and gathering up votes, have been laying around
58:59
Speaker 1: on somebody's DEAs and then you know, just throwing them
59:01
Speaker 1: into a mailbox or something. I don't know if that's
59:04
Speaker 1: necessarily the case, but when this does happen, it tends
59:06
Speaker 1: to move over toward the Democrats side, which is one
59:08
Speaker 1: of the reasons many people said the twenty twenty election
59:11
Speaker 1: was fixed. What happened between midnight and four o'clock in
59:13
Speaker 1: the morning. You know, how did this counting change? They say.
59:17
Speaker 1: One of the reasons that happens is young and lower
59:20
Speaker 1: propensity voters return ballots later, and they also tend to
59:24
Speaker 1: be left leaning folks. And the absentee ballot counting process
59:30
Speaker 1: benefits Democrats because of that, I guess, but then it
59:34
Speaker 1: ruins our trust in the election integrity. Governor Newsom said
59:41
Speaker 1: as much as that last month, urging election officials to
59:44
Speaker 1: expedite vote counting, saying the longer the voting count takes,
59:47
Speaker 1: the more mis and disinformation spreads. Times of the essence
59:50
Speaker 1: in preventing election lies like this from taking hold. Hey man,
59:53
Speaker 1: it's your state, it's your state law. You're the one
59:55
Speaker 1: that allows any vote, you know, postmarked by election day
59:59
Speaker 1: to be count. Obviously that's going to cause a backlog
1:00:02
Speaker 1: and a delay in us learning the outcome of the election.
1:00:05
Speaker 1: How about everybody vote on or before election day? If
1:00:08
Speaker 1: you don't even like the before part, I'm a fan
1:00:10
Speaker 1: of going back to election day only. Why not. We've
1:00:15
Speaker 1: been around two hundred fifty years as a country and
1:00:17
Speaker 1: this is a new phenomenon, very very new in terms
1:00:20
Speaker 1: of our country's history. Do you think anyone will question
1:00:25
Speaker 1: the integrity vote in California? As I see a separate
1:00:29
Speaker 1: article about ballots being burned and vandalized the other day
1:00:32
Speaker 1: in advance of the primary election, Yep, police have been
1:00:37
Speaker 1: notified about two possible acts of voter interference. Ballots discovered
1:00:41
Speaker 1: burned up in a drop box and also a vote
1:00:44
Speaker 1: center was vandalized. I guess part of me can envision
1:00:50
Speaker 1: someone saying, yeah, but what about the votes that were
1:00:52
Speaker 1: burned up? Those people have been disenfranchised. We can't certify
1:00:57
Speaker 1: the election until we figure out which votes got burned up.
1:01:00
Speaker 1: This isolator or these isolated incidents just a thought, my friends,
1:01:05
Speaker 1: just the thought. Six fifty five k the talk station.
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Speaker 1: I got a thought for you. And see that book station.
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Speaker 1: It's six fifty one fifty five KRSD talk station. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Mareene's listening. Why do you think I read the election issues? Maureen, California.
1:01:25
Speaker 1: Another one of the pattern observations he's been making since
1:01:28
Speaker 1: the I guess twenty twenty election. And hey, Michael, listen, brother,
1:01:31
Speaker 1: you want to buy time on the program, you can
1:01:33
Speaker 1: run the commercials in any language you want. He was
1:01:35
Speaker 1: wondering why. He said, iHeart is running Spanish commercials on
1:01:41
Speaker 1: the iHeartMedia app. Of course they're not running on the
1:01:43
Speaker 1: fifty five KRC morning show terrestrial or I would notice that,
1:01:45
Speaker 1: although they could. If you want to buy a time
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Speaker 1: or run a Spanish speaking commercial here on terrestrial radio,
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Speaker 1: go ahead. I don't make those choices the sponsor does.
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Speaker 1: We like to make the sponsors happy here in the
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Speaker 1: morning show. So anyway, he said, Wow, Verizon wants that.
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Speaker 1: I reply, yeah, I guess they do. Eh. Well, here
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Speaker 1: here's one for you Marine other pattern observers. It's kind
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Speaker 1: of a red flag in my book too. Uh, Google,
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Speaker 1: And I question the funding for this and the entity
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Speaker 1: Google behind it, because you know, I view Google as
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Speaker 1: nefarious like Dave had Ter does. Google is seeking federal
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Speaker 1: approval for a program they're calling debug. They want to
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Speaker 1: release up to thirty two million mosquitos in California and Florida,
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Speaker 1: which they say to combat disease carrying mosquitoes that are
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Speaker 1: out there in the wild. Huh technology to breed and
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Speaker 1: release sterile mosquitoes, thirty two million sterial mosquitos to try
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Speaker 1: to eliminate the ones that transmit diseases to animals and humans.
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Speaker 1: There are apparently more than thirty seven hundred types of
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Speaker 1: mosquitoes worldwide, some more dangerous than others that the species
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Speaker 1: that Google claim things claiming that this debug program is
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Speaker 1: to is to target as the eighties, a gypsy, the
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Speaker 1: one that carries dang fever, zica, yellow fever, chickongluna. Other
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Speaker 1: mosquitoes carry west now virus, malaria, lymphatic lariasis. Don't know
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Speaker 1: what that is killing more humans than any other creature
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Speaker 1: worldwide now the fun figure they've quoted in here, malaria
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Speaker 1: has killed five hundred and ninety seven thousand people throughout
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Speaker 1: eighty three countries in twenty twenty three. When I saw
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Speaker 1: that eighty three countries, that's a lot of people dead.
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Speaker 1: What about the United States where they're planning on releasing
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Speaker 1: thirty two million mosquitoes for the purposes of combating malaria?
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Speaker 1: COUNTARYAR twenty twenty three, the last year where data is available,
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Speaker 1: the United States saw cases of locally acquired, meaning someone
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Speaker 1: picked up malaria here in the United States, as opposed
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Speaker 1: to the vast majority of cases that crop up because
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Speaker 1: people travel the countries around the world where they don't
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Speaker 1: handle malaria or mosquitos very well. Anyway, cases of locally
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Speaker 1: acquired mosquito, they saw them for the first time ever, well,
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Speaker 1: first time in two decades anyway. There are roughly two
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Speaker 1: thousands of cases of malary reported in the United States
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Speaker 1: every year, most of them from people traveling overseas. West
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Speaker 1: Nile the leading culprit of mosquito born diseases in the
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Speaker 1: United States. Are you ready? One hundred and twenty deaths
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Speaker 1: reported each year, two thousand people experience illness. Now you know,
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Speaker 1: they say these mosquitoes are not genetically modified. They say
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Speaker 1: they're only sterile. Only female mosquitoes will bite you, and
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Speaker 1: these are designed to reduce the number of female mosquitos
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Speaker 1: out in the world. No chemicals, Google says, no toxins,
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Speaker 1: no genetic modification. Similar approaches have been used to safely
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Speaker 1: combat other pests for decades. We're combining the debug teams,
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Speaker 1: scientific and engineering expertise with the help of international partners.
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Speaker 1: Why did I think CCP when I read that sorry
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Speaker 1: to raise or release lots of good bugs to stop
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Speaker 1: bad mosquitoes that can spread disease. I don't know. I'm
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Speaker 1: a little suspicious that this is gonna work out well.
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Speaker 1: Will Google get federal approval to release thirty two million mosquitoes?
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Speaker 1: Why is Google behind the effort to release thirty two
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Speaker 1: million mosquitoes that in and of itself causes me to
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Speaker 1: have suspicion. Draw your own conclusions. I'll be back off
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Speaker 1: dot org the truth about data centers. Kind of real
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Speaker 1: eye opening those data centers scan Can you fight it?
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Speaker 1: Is worth fighting it? They're going to come up at someplace.
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Speaker 1: And of course artificial intelligence is apparently all the rage
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Speaker 1: and extraordinarily dangerous, as revealed by just not only that
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Speaker 1: Florida lawsuit, but some of the broader reporting about how
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Speaker 1: this is chat EPT and other artificial intelligence programs. I guess,
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Speaker 1: for lack of a better word to to describe them,
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Speaker 1: manipulate people in it really nefarious ways. I struggle with
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Speaker 1: that reality, and I also struggle with the concept that,
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Speaker 1: as I mentioned earlier in the program, not to be repetitive,
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Speaker 1: the concept that people just turn to these artificial intelligence
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Speaker 1: entities and treat them like real people, not appreciating the
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Speaker 1: fact that it's not a person, it's ones and zeros,
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Speaker 1: and someone had to do the programming. Someone designed these
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Speaker 1: features to glom onto certain elements of your life, since
1:07:11
Speaker 1: they accumulate data. At sam Almonds one of a minute,
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Speaker 1: it accumulate data about you. So you log in and
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Speaker 1: every single thing you say to them is accumulated in
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Speaker 1: a database. So it knows how to respond to you.
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Speaker 1: It tailors its message to you, so if you bring
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Speaker 1: up something really problematic in your life, that it shifts
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Speaker 1: and starts focusing on that, that it would help you
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Speaker 1: prepare to mass shoot, that it would help you prepare
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Speaker 1: a suicide. Note did anybody else find that extraordinarily alarming?
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Speaker 1: And again, as I pointed out, I think the most
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Speaker 1: alarming component is that people are turning to these programs
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Speaker 1: because they don't have any friends. We've just become a
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Speaker 1: bunch of isolated people. We don't interact anymore. Turn to
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Speaker 1: your family, turn to your priest, your rabbi, your minister,
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Speaker 1: your IEMM. Turn to your next door neighbor, turn to
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Speaker 1: your college room made or buddy. Talk to those people.
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Speaker 1: Try to turn away from chat, gpt from doing anything
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Speaker 1: other than creating a spicy meme. Write signal ninety nine,
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Speaker 1: nine fifty eight two three talk pound five fifty on
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Speaker 1: at and T phones. Street takeovers. We had a street
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Speaker 1: takeover last night right by Pai Course Stadium. While the
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Speaker 1: city is considering harsher pinnacles penalties for street takeovers, they're
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Speaker 1: supposed to vote on a Public Safety committee vote is
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Speaker 1: supposed to take place by CINCINNTI Council today to help
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Speaker 1: crack down on street takeovers. The proposed ordinance is going
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Speaker 1: to increase fines and make participating in a street took
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Speaker 1: over a first degree misdemeanor. Now, maybe a harsher penalty
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Speaker 1: might be required, I don't know now. The council previously
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Speaker 1: passed the separate ordinance about a month ago that adds
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Speaker 1: fine and vehicle impoundment requirements, which apparently wasn't a deterrence
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Speaker 1: for the street takeover that happened last night where six
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Speaker 1: people are now in custody. This happened right by pay
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Speaker 1: Course Stadium. Police did manage to track down all the
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Speaker 1: suspects to the parking lot at the stadium after calls
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Speaker 1: came in regarding the street takeover. Everyone arrested were adults,
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Speaker 1: which you know, sort of moves away from the topic
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Speaker 1: of conversation about you know, teenagers running them up around
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Speaker 1: at two o'clock in the morning with no adult supervision.
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Speaker 1: Can you hold parents accountable for that? It's a tough ask.
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Speaker 1: I think it might be a good idea to at
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Speaker 1: least try. Anyway, these idiots last night racing doing burnouts,
1:09:42
Speaker 1: obviously creating a safety problem for everybody that might have
1:09:44
Speaker 1: been in the area, which is why you have ordinances
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Speaker 1: and laws against them. So that of mine, separate reporting
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Speaker 1: that was from a Channel five credit to them, separate
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Speaker 1: reporting on the same incident for Fox nineteen who got arrested.
1:10:05
Speaker 1: Joe is challenging me. Any listener knows that I do
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Speaker 1: quite often struggle with names, and I take no offense,
1:10:12
Speaker 1: and I offer really no apologies. I have difficult time
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Speaker 1: reading names sometimes because quite often you see like are
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Speaker 1: they missing consonants?
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Speaker 6: Here?
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Speaker 1: Are we missing valves? It looks like nine consonants running. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you get the idea, And I always say, listen somewhere,
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Speaker 1: someplace else, someone is mispronouncing Brian Thomas, and I'm not offended.
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Speaker 1: By that. I find myself in that situation now, especially
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Speaker 1: after having been issued a challenge by Joe Strecker. Go ahead,
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Speaker 1: who do we have arrested? T moor Nermatov who's twenty
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Speaker 1: eight charged with criminal treuspass and drag racing dil mu
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Speaker 1: Rod Mirmatov. I guess a brother one of his relatives. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: according to you what Fox nineteen twenty one years old
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Speaker 1: charged with criminal trespass at Pey Corps. Others charged with
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Speaker 1: criminal trespass in the records ah Maud John Volleyev Medina
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Speaker 1: or Medina your choice, Essa, Nova, Beck, Dillo, Comma Duliev
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Speaker 1: and Moomo moomtozak Cone Zu Brova. That's the best I
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Speaker 1: can do. Joe, thanks for issuing the challenge. Appreciate that,
1:11:25
Speaker 1: but it's an Irish gang obviously, Peaky Blinders said, yes,
1:11:41
Speaker 1: you got me with that with Joe. Appreciate that anyhow.
1:11:45
Speaker 1: Uh yeah. The bottom line of what's going on, see
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Speaker 1: this is the I'm glad we get Daniel Davis and
1:11:50
Speaker 1: also the bright part Insights scoop to talk with them
1:11:51
Speaker 1: about the Iranians. We on again, off again, on again,
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Speaker 1: off again the other day and I think the boiled
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Speaker 1: down aftermath of yesterday's negotiations or not negotiations, the Iranians
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Speaker 1: have inextricably intertwined has Bala's attacks on Israel and Israel's
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Speaker 1: response to those attacks with the straight of horn moves
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Speaker 1: and the what I would argue is separate the war
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Speaker 1: between the United States and Iran. So Iran demands that
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Speaker 1: the United States stop Israel from launching rockets at Hisbala,
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Speaker 1: that we need a ceasefire there, and in spite of
1:12:24
Speaker 1: Donald Trump saying I don't care if the negotiations are over,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter to me, he did get on
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Speaker 1: the phone with Benjamin nettan Yahoo and told him to
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Speaker 1: cool it down, and thereafter announced a new ceasefire in Lebanon,
1:12:39
Speaker 1: saying they agreed that all shooting will stop. They being
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Speaker 1: the Hesbala terrorist organization, who, according to the reporting, has
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Speaker 1: been launching an average of one hundred and twenty five
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Speaker 1: rockets and forty nine drones into Israel each and every day.
1:12:50
Speaker 1: Where do they get those? I think we can safely
1:12:52
Speaker 1: say the Iranians, who this is their proxy group. So
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Speaker 1: Israel said, okay, we'll start up. I'd love it. How
1:13:03
Speaker 1: the journal pointed out, any time it wants Iranka tell
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Speaker 1: his Balla to stop shooting an end the war, it's
1:13:07
Speaker 1: not its best interest to do that. So as we
1:13:11
Speaker 1: wake up this morning in the aftermath of that, fine,
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Speaker 1: you've got to stay. You've got a ceasefire between the
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Speaker 1: Israelis and his balla. We've got this ongoing conversation between
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Speaker 1: us and the Iranians. Israel military announced this morning it
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Speaker 1: intercepted two projectiles that cross from Lebanon into northern Israel.
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Speaker 1: The incident happened within hours of President Trump saying yesterday
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Speaker 1: that both Israeli Prime Minister and Benjamin at Yahoo and
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Speaker 1: his Balla would stop attacks under the Lebanon ceasefire. It's
1:13:47
Speaker 1: impossible to fare out what the hell's going on in here,
1:13:49
Speaker 1: but you know the broader point is, and in spite
1:13:52
Speaker 1: of the Iranians breaking every single ceasefire. Now, I have
1:13:57
Speaker 1: been joking about the ceasefire which doesn't seem to exist
1:13:59
Speaker 1: because the Iranians continue to shoot things at us, and
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Speaker 1: we then engage in what we call defensive response. It's,
1:14:05
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna blow something up. They shot something
1:14:07
Speaker 1: at us, We're gonna blow up the thing that they
1:14:09
Speaker 1: shot at us who pulled the trigger first, the Iranians.
1:14:15
Speaker 1: Yet Donald Trump has never sort of red lined it.
1:14:18
Speaker 1: And to the extent he's issued red line, you know,
1:14:20
Speaker 1: bombs will be dropping. I don't know today, tomorrow, a
1:14:22
Speaker 1: few days from now. It never seems to happen. They
1:14:24
Speaker 1: step back up the peace table, They step back up
1:14:27
Speaker 1: and say we want to negotiate. A list of demand
1:14:30
Speaker 1: is issued. They reject a list of demands. They issue
1:14:32
Speaker 1: a list of demands. We find our alternative list demands,
1:14:35
Speaker 1: rejecting the Iranians list of demands. And this goes on
1:14:37
Speaker 1: and on and on. Clearly Donald Trump does not want
1:14:39
Speaker 1: to go into a kinetic campaign, and ask yourself why,
1:14:44
Speaker 1: And I keep going back to Daniel Davis deep dive.
1:14:47
Speaker 1: The Iranians have a whole lot more ability to heap
1:14:49
Speaker 1: some harm on the region generally speaking. Then we quite
1:14:52
Speaker 1: often in the United States media acknowledge now whether or
1:14:56
Speaker 1: not he's right on that. I think we've got the
1:14:58
Speaker 1: optics or what's actually happening to sort of maybe back
1:15:01
Speaker 1: that up. The strait of horror moves is still closed.
1:15:04
Speaker 1: We have the world's biggest, greatest military. We have sunk
1:15:07
Speaker 1: their entire Navy. Donald Trump proclaims all the time we
1:15:10
Speaker 1: kill their air force. They don't have any aircraft. Well,
1:15:12
Speaker 1: then how come we can't get the straight of horror
1:15:14
Speaker 1: moves just to open back up. Clearly there's a problem there.
1:15:21
Speaker 1: But don't think the Iranians have it that good.
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Speaker 4: Now.
1:15:25
Speaker 1: I know they don't care about the population. There the
1:15:28
Speaker 1: Mullahs and the leaders the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, which appears
1:15:32
Speaker 1: to be in control and complete control of the entire show.
1:15:34
Speaker 1: There the religious fundamental fundamentalists Iranian Revolutionary Guard. Going back
1:15:39
Speaker 1: to the broader point, they are religious fundamentalists. They will
1:15:42
Speaker 1: not capitulate to their belief that you and I and
1:15:45
Speaker 1: the Israelis are all the great Satan. Why would we
1:15:48
Speaker 1: capitulate or sit down at the table and give them anything.
1:15:52
Speaker 1: That's what I walk away with. But in terms of
1:15:54
Speaker 1: them feeling pain, annual inflation there for those who are
1:15:58
Speaker 1: worried about inflation here in comparison, fifty nine point three
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Speaker 1: percent during the last Iranian calendar month. That's according to
1:16:07
Speaker 1: the Central Bank of Iran. And the Central Bank of
1:16:11
Speaker 1: Iran also pointed out that compared to the same month
1:16:14
Speaker 1: last year, they've had a seventy seven point two percent
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Speaker 1: increase in inflation, and if you look at point to
1:16:20
Speaker 1: point inflation for goods, one hundred and thirteen percent. So
1:16:26
Speaker 1: I'm not going to complain as much about my gas
1:16:29
Speaker 1: price going up, you know, twenty five percent or whatever
1:16:31
Speaker 1: it has been that groceries have gone up five or
1:16:34
Speaker 1: six or so percent. I'm not quite sure how we're
1:16:37
Speaker 1: going to ultimately square things with the Iranians, but by comparison,
1:16:42
Speaker 1: they're feeling some serious pain. There question whether you think
1:16:46
Speaker 1: that pain that's being felt by the Iranian people, who
1:16:49
Speaker 1: probably feel helpless and at the hands of and at
1:16:52
Speaker 1: the behest of the Iranian revolutionary Guard. Maybe they hate them.
1:16:55
Speaker 1: I don't know. They're an oppressive force. They have shown
1:16:57
Speaker 1: the willingness and almost giddy glee of going out into
1:17:01
Speaker 1: the street and murdering anyone who dare raise an objection
1:17:05
Speaker 1: to how things are being run there. And given the
1:17:09
Speaker 1: complexity involving the war in this situation, most notably with
1:17:12
Speaker 1: religious fundamentalists, see how well it worked out for the
1:17:14
Speaker 1: Russians and the United States in Afghanistan. Maybe the internal
1:17:19
Speaker 1: rebellion is the only course of action that we can
1:17:21
Speaker 1: hope will come to pass. Although I don't know if
1:17:24
Speaker 1: I can hold my breath on that one doesn't seem
1:17:26
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1:17:28
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Speaker 1: Tom's Awastowski on AI datas are data centers. Generally speaking,
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Speaker 1: we'll get him next. At a turn of these street
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Speaker 1: protests in New Jersey against his ICE facility, what backcrap,
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Speaker 1: insanity and you know, elections have consequences. Near Jersey Governor
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Speaker 1: Mickey Cheryl called him the state police because I guess
1:18:44
Speaker 1: Mickey doesn't want to repeat of Minneapolis where two of
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Speaker 1: the protesters got gunned down, called him the state police
1:18:50
Speaker 1: to secure a perimeter, but then cast the blame on
1:18:57
Speaker 1: the protest on the on ICE and not the protesters.
1:19:01
Speaker 1: I mean, there's some horrific footage of what these protesters
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Speaker 1: are doing Cheryl and a press conference. I refuse to
1:19:08
Speaker 1: let that happen in New Jersey. Referring to Minneapolis. I
1:19:11
Speaker 1: will not give ICE a pretext to expand operations at
1:19:15
Speaker 1: the Laney Hall or across our state. I will not
1:19:17
Speaker 1: put lives at risk. ICE isn't doing anything but their job.
1:19:26
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with the detention facility. The only sorry
1:19:30
Speaker 1: just to ready to violate the FCC compliance rules here.
1:19:33
Speaker 1: It was allegations that there were maggots in the food
1:19:36
Speaker 1: and these people were being ill treated were disproven already.
1:19:39
Speaker 1: The information is out. We all got the information. What
1:19:41
Speaker 1: is ICE doing. It's enforcing Americans laws and it has
1:19:45
Speaker 1: arrested some of the most horrific members of the illegal
1:19:47
Speaker 1: immigrant community that you could come up with. Anybody who
1:19:50
Speaker 1: protests over the incarceration and soon to be deportation of
1:19:55
Speaker 1: a child rapist is insane, demonstrably, objectively and by all
1:20:00
Speaker 1: reasonable measures. And these folks are all well supplied, and
1:20:06
Speaker 1: you know what, a lot of them aren't from New Jersey.
1:20:08
Speaker 1: They're shown up from out of town, well armed, gas masks, respirators, goggles,
1:20:13
Speaker 1: hard hats. They've been chucking rocks, they've been pushing barricades down,
1:20:16
Speaker 1: they have been assaulting the police officers. There's been video
1:20:20
Speaker 1: sent out of bite officers that have gotten giant bite
1:20:24
Speaker 1: marks on them. Blood is coming out. This is something
1:20:27
Speaker 1: a ICE protester has done to an agent trying to
1:20:30
Speaker 1: enforce federal law. And there's that pesky democratic process that
1:20:35
Speaker 1: they're all thinking as being undermined. The law says what
1:20:38
Speaker 1: it is if the will of the American people was
1:20:40
Speaker 1: to change the law and allow all people from the
1:20:43
Speaker 1: four corners of the globe to enter into our country,
1:20:45
Speaker 1: including a bunch of criminals, and to let them roam
1:20:48
Speaker 1: around on the streets with no consequence. Then we would
1:20:50
Speaker 1: have voted for that. We didn't. So what are they
1:20:55
Speaker 1: railed against the ICE folks? Or if ICE is doing
1:20:58
Speaker 1: their job and they are the law, they are still
1:21:00
Speaker 1: in the books that require ICE to go out and
1:21:02
Speaker 1: do their job. Hmm. Kind of makes you scratch your
1:21:04
Speaker 1: head and wonder. And since so many of them from
1:21:06
Speaker 1: not in the area, if they succeeded, and I said,
1:21:09
Speaker 1: you know what, you're right, We're gonna let all these
1:21:11
Speaker 1: rapists and murderers out right here, let them out on
1:21:13
Speaker 1: the street. Well, the protesters that pack it up and
1:21:16
Speaker 1: go to whatever state that they came from not hiving
1:21:19
Speaker 1: a concern about the child rapists living in the house
1:21:22
Speaker 1: next door to them because they don't live there. And
1:21:26
Speaker 1: the funding source is also a real concern for me. Now.
1:21:29
Speaker 1: You know, you can say these are organic, but you
1:21:31
Speaker 1: know when everyone shows up with a pre prepared basically
1:21:35
Speaker 1: jam bag for protest activity, you know, so there's a
1:21:38
Speaker 1: big money behind this, and it could be determined that
1:21:41
Speaker 1: there's a RICO count here and I've been waiting for
1:21:43
Speaker 1: that to happen. These non government organizations. Are these wealthy
1:21:48
Speaker 1: people who donate to these causes and provide them with
1:21:51
Speaker 1: the equipment to go after ICE officers to the extent
1:21:54
Speaker 1: to the extent that they suggest or encourage chronal behavior.
1:21:58
Speaker 1: Welcome to conspirac I love this conclusion by the Journal.
1:22:07
Speaker 1: The iron is that the irony is the protesters themselves
1:22:09
Speaker 1: who are exposing this fiction, the fiction that the ICE
1:22:12
Speaker 1: agents that they're at faulled. No one still believes these
1:22:15
Speaker 1: protests are driven by the horrible treatment of those detained
1:22:18
Speaker 1: at Delaney. First few days, we were all talking about
1:22:20
Speaker 1: the protesters claims that maggots are and the food serve
1:22:22
Speaker 1: to inmates, which Homeland Security denied. It's also becoming clear
1:22:25
Speaker 1: that ICE isn't the only enemy for the protesters. Over
1:22:28
Speaker 1: the weekend, they happily did battle with the New Jersey Police.
1:22:32
Speaker 1: Ms Cheryl called on to in to protect them from ICE.
1:22:38
Speaker 1: Maybe a clever way not to offend the Democratic base,
1:22:41
Speaker 1: But the protesters don't have much patience for the democratic
1:22:44
Speaker 1: process or the Democratic Party. They're interested in chaos and
1:22:49
Speaker 1: their actions make that perfectly clear. And as the Journal
1:22:53
Speaker 1: points out, they enjoy the protest. What they want is
1:22:57
Speaker 1: something to put on social media that will make them
1:23:01
Speaker 1: a hero among their other crazy friends that they isolate
1:23:05
Speaker 1: themselves in their echo chamber. Look here's me on video.
1:23:08
Speaker 1: Look at me, biden Ice officer, you rock man. Keep
1:23:11
Speaker 1: it up here. I'm gonna go do that next week.
1:23:14
Speaker 1: This is where we are, folks. Seven twenty seven fifty
1:23:16
Speaker 1: five KR. See the talk stations. See the talk station.
1:23:22
Speaker 1: It's seven point thirty one here fifty five KRCD talk station.
1:23:25
Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday, Good time to be tuned in the return
1:23:29
Speaker 1: up Tom Zawastowski. You can find him at we the
1:23:31
Speaker 1: People Convention dot org. He's got a podcast each week
1:23:35
Speaker 1: that's worth listening to and also posting up some great
1:23:37
Speaker 1: articles and thoughts and opinions, including the anti data center
1:23:42
Speaker 1: hysteria is a foreign funded repeat of every failed ludite crusade.
1:23:47
Speaker 1: Nice headline, Tom z. Welcome back to the program, my friend.
1:23:50
Speaker 5: Glad to be with you.
1:23:51
Speaker 7: And after your test that Joe puts your chwice on
1:23:54
Speaker 7: pronunciation pronunciative names.
1:23:56
Speaker 5: I'm glad you can say Zawastowski. It's awesome.
1:24:00
Speaker 1: That's an easy one. Yeah, you know, it may have
1:24:03
Speaker 1: been that I mispronounced it previously. My buddy John Newsom
1:24:06
Speaker 1: asked he sent me a text after I endeavored to
1:24:08
Speaker 1: read through those names, he said, are those common spellings?
1:24:16
Speaker 5: Sometimes?
1:24:17
Speaker 1: That's all that keeps me going through the day of
1:24:19
Speaker 1: terrible headlines, is the humor I get from Joe and
1:24:22
Speaker 1: and folks like a John out there chiming in the topic. So,
1:24:25
Speaker 1: you know, I read these couple of articles about the
1:24:28
Speaker 1: chat GPT, which is of course kind of an offspring
1:24:32
Speaker 1: of artificial intelligence generally, kind of an offspring of data centers.
1:24:35
Speaker 1: Generally you need these massive data centers to crunch all
1:24:38
Speaker 1: of the information that allows I guess chat GPT to
1:24:42
Speaker 1: function the way it does quite often in a horrific way,
1:24:45
Speaker 1: tom Z. So we can all agree. I think that
1:24:51
Speaker 1: like for example, chat GPT can be dangerous and based
1:24:55
Speaker 1: upon the way it's programmed, can be nefarious and can
1:24:57
Speaker 1: be biased and twisted, which to me suggests maybe don't
1:25:01
Speaker 1: rely on it, which is where I am as a
1:25:02
Speaker 1: default mechanism. No ludite am I, But I'm not going
1:25:05
Speaker 1: to go down that road because I don't need it.
1:25:07
Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean that artifica or the data centers
1:25:10
Speaker 1: themselves carry with it the same you know, taint or
1:25:14
Speaker 1: or that they are just by virtue of their existence
1:25:17
Speaker 1: dangerous or nefarious. Tom Your take, Well.
1:25:21
Speaker 7: You're making a very important point because people are getting
1:25:25
Speaker 7: the two things confused. Okay, so you know, when I'm
1:25:28
Speaker 7: talking about data centers, I'm talking about you know, the
1:25:31
Speaker 7: physical structure, the you know, the use of water, electricity,
1:25:36
Speaker 7: the noise, you know, the things that people are concerned about.
1:25:39
Speaker 7: But also, holy cow, benefits the property taxes these places
1:25:44
Speaker 7: are going to pay. That can really help, you know.
1:25:46
Speaker 7: The people are complaining about their property taxes being too high.
1:25:49
Speaker 5: So that's one side of it. The other side of
1:25:51
Speaker 5: it is is AI good or bad? You know?
1:25:53
Speaker 7: And the Pope did an encyclical over the moorre of
1:25:57
Speaker 7: the weekend which was very good. People should read it
1:26:00
Speaker 7: where he's raising the moral concerns about AI and all that.
1:26:04
Speaker 7: But this article, you refer to it we people convention
1:26:07
Speaker 7: dot org. It's written by this really interesting guy called
1:26:09
Speaker 7: Alexander Muse who posts a lot of things on acts.
1:26:12
Speaker 5: Really smart guy. He kind of goes through it from
1:26:15
Speaker 5: a historical.
1:26:16
Speaker 7: Perspective, comparing data centers to the invention of electricity, you know,
1:26:22
Speaker 7: the railroads, the highways, every new technology as its opponents,
1:26:27
Speaker 7: and there's fear connected with.
1:26:29
Speaker 5: It because it's new.
1:26:30
Speaker 7: You don't understand it, but it's hard for people to separate,
1:26:36
Speaker 7: you know, the the AI. You know, is AI good
1:26:38
Speaker 7: or bad? Is it ready now or not? Versus is
1:26:41
Speaker 7: this data center okay to put in our in our backyard,
1:26:44
Speaker 7: particularly Brian, when there is a literally organized effort by
1:26:49
Speaker 7: people outside this country and inside this country to confuse
1:26:53
Speaker 7: you and just completely destroy any common conversation you can
1:26:58
Speaker 7: have about the question is it okay to put a
1:27:02
Speaker 7: data center here?
1:27:03
Speaker 1: Let's pause, we'll elaborate in all these points with Tom Zawastowski.
1:27:06
Speaker 1: Can find them online. We the People Convention dot or
1:27:08
Speaker 1: be right back. And if if you got KARC detalk station.
1:27:11
Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday, Brian Thomas with Tom Zawastowski from We the
1:27:15
Speaker 1: People Convention dot or. Tom was not arrested in his
1:27:17
Speaker 1: street over takes Takeover last night. Maybe that's how I
1:27:19
Speaker 1: can pronounce your name there, Tom, anyway, in terms of
1:27:25
Speaker 1: data centers before we get to the you know the
1:27:27
Speaker 1: belief and I'm firmly of the mind that the Chinese
1:27:30
Speaker 1: Communist Party not Chinese people. Mind you, for those who
1:27:33
Speaker 1: immediately accuse someone of being racist, merely because they attack
1:27:36
Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist Party. Got to hate when people do that.
1:27:39
Speaker 1: Tom Anyway, they have an incentive to try to undermine
1:27:45
Speaker 1: our desire to embrace the data centers. We can get
1:27:49
Speaker 1: to that in a minute. I know you're going to
1:27:50
Speaker 1: elaborate on it, but you mentioned three of the specific
1:27:55
Speaker 1: reasons people will protest are AI coming to their community
1:27:58
Speaker 1: in spite of the fact that it will generate pretty
1:28:00
Speaker 1: massive tax dollars. You mentioned water, electricity, and noise. Now,
1:28:07
Speaker 1: as I hear that with the exceptional electricity, which we
1:28:10
Speaker 1: can deal with separately, water and noise, I am of
1:28:13
Speaker 1: the mind because I've heard so many times that the
1:28:16
Speaker 1: data centers don't necessarily depends on what type of system
1:28:20
Speaker 1: they have to cool all the electronics, but they don't
1:28:22
Speaker 1: use up the water. They merely bring the water out,
1:28:25
Speaker 1: use it to recirculate it in a closed system, and
1:28:28
Speaker 1: then put the water back. Now, some have pointed out
1:28:30
Speaker 1: that well, during that loop process, chemicals are introduced and
1:28:34
Speaker 1: pollutants are put into you know, as the consequence of
1:28:36
Speaker 1: the pipes or whatever. So give them their due on that,
1:28:40
Speaker 1: but that's something that seems to need to be easily
1:28:43
Speaker 1: remedied if you have a regulation in place it says
1:28:45
Speaker 1: the water coming out must be equally clean as the
1:28:48
Speaker 1: water going in. Hell, if we can scrub crap out
1:28:51
Speaker 1: of coal production, I imagine we can manage doin a
1:28:53
Speaker 1: little filtration on water. Right Tom, Well, see.
1:28:57
Speaker 7: Now again you're making another great points. We're exaggerating the
1:29:03
Speaker 7: effects of these data centers and not even putting in
1:29:07
Speaker 7: context of the you know, the steel plants we have
1:29:10
Speaker 7: and all the auto manufacturing, and you know the things
1:29:13
Speaker 7: that are using all kinds of chemicals.
1:29:15
Speaker 5: So let me give you an example.
1:29:17
Speaker 7: On Friday, I went to an open house in Shelersville Township,
1:29:21
Speaker 7: which is in northern Portage County, for a data center
1:29:25
Speaker 7: that they have that they're proposing there. And in social
1:29:28
Speaker 7: media on Facebook, they're saying this thing is going to
1:29:31
Speaker 7: use a million gallons of water a day and and
1:29:34
Speaker 7: huge amounts of water. Okay, Now, I toms Awastowski went
1:29:39
Speaker 7: to Masson, Ohio to visit a data center that's already
1:29:43
Speaker 7: built that this company is proposing at Shalersville. I go
1:29:47
Speaker 7: to the data center and Brian, there's there's a racks
1:29:50
Speaker 7: of computers and I've had racks of computers in my business,
1:29:53
Speaker 7: and they give off a lot of heat, and right
1:29:55
Speaker 7: across from them is a wall that looks like the
1:29:58
Speaker 7: radiator in my car. Okay yea, And going through that
1:30:02
Speaker 7: wall is the same stuff that's in the radiator of
1:30:04
Speaker 7: your car that does what cools your engine.
1:30:08
Speaker 5: So the heat and the service goes through that wall
1:30:10
Speaker 5: and comes out and it's cool on the other side.
1:30:13
Speaker 5: When the time you put water in your radiator, Brian.
1:30:16
Speaker 1: Well, last time you put water in your radiator never
1:30:19
Speaker 1: really did mean a modern car. I'm not driving around
1:30:23
Speaker 1: in a nineteen forty.
1:30:25
Speaker 5: Get this, Get this.
1:30:26
Speaker 7: I gotta finish this because it's it's really a part
1:30:29
Speaker 7: of the problem. So at this open house, they've got
1:30:33
Speaker 7: to display that shows this is our closed loop system.
1:30:36
Speaker 5: By closed loop is.
1:30:37
Speaker 7: Like the radiator on your car. They're gonna use three
1:30:42
Speaker 7: thousand gallons of water total. There's no well, they're not
1:30:47
Speaker 7: drooling any wells, they're not putting any water back anywhere.
1:30:51
Speaker 7: They fill it up, put the free on or whatever
1:30:54
Speaker 7: the chemical is that doesn't and then that's it. People
1:30:58
Speaker 7: would come to the open house, see that, talk to
1:31:02
Speaker 7: a person who's like a technician who knows they're talking about, and.
1:31:05
Speaker 5: Look at them and say I don't believe you. You're lying. Okay. Now,
1:31:11
Speaker 5: this is the difference I want to make for you
1:31:14
Speaker 5: and everyone.
1:31:14
Speaker 7: Listening between cracking, which is the fight that the Tea
1:31:18
Speaker 7: Party fought in Ohio. We literally saved fracking in the
1:31:23
Speaker 7: United States when the Left tried to kill it by
1:31:26
Speaker 7: saying it's going to poison your water. It's gonna take
1:31:29
Speaker 7: your water out of your well, your faucet's gonna start
1:31:32
Speaker 7: on fire because the gas will go into your water.
1:31:35
Speaker 7: All that stuff was lies that was put forward to
1:31:39
Speaker 7: stop us from fracking.
1:31:42
Speaker 5: I thought that fight eleven years ago.
1:31:44
Speaker 7: The difference is back then I could have an intelligent
1:31:48
Speaker 7: conversation with someone.
1:31:50
Speaker 5: Now, after you and I and every one of your.
1:31:53
Speaker 7: Listeners has been subjected to the COVID hopes, the twenty
1:31:57
Speaker 7: twenty election hopes, Russia rush, Russia, social media censorship. The
1:32:02
Speaker 7: difference today is that we've been conditioned to not trust
1:32:07
Speaker 7: anyone or anything.
1:32:09
Speaker 5: So how do we have a conversation. How can I
1:32:12
Speaker 5: bring facts to your listeners.
1:32:15
Speaker 7: When they believe some stupid thing on the internet for
1:32:19
Speaker 7: no reason and they won't listen to any.
1:32:21
Speaker 1: Facts, an ever growing problem. Tom Zawastowski that's get people
1:32:25
Speaker 1: get in their closed speaking of closed loop, closed loop
1:32:28
Speaker 1: information environment, only going to one source or sources that
1:32:31
Speaker 1: they agree with or that appeal to whatever conclusion they've
1:32:35
Speaker 1: reached and refused to use logic and reason to to
1:32:39
Speaker 1: sort of listen to the retorts, listening to points that
1:32:43
Speaker 1: you make. How can you argue that a closed loop
1:32:46
Speaker 1: cooling system which doesn't spit anything out, is polluting our water.
1:32:51
Speaker 1: It's a finite amount of whatever solution is in there.
1:32:54
Speaker 1: Maybe they fill it with anti freeze, which has a
1:32:55
Speaker 1: heating and cooling effect. Whatever, it's not going out into
1:32:59
Speaker 1: the world. Now, that doesn't mean that all systems operate
1:33:01
Speaker 1: that way, because I've been told some of the systems
1:33:04
Speaker 1: draw water in and then put the water back out.
1:33:06
Speaker 1: Let's say you got a river, and this is maybe theoretical,
1:33:08
Speaker 1: but it's what I've been told. Water goes in, it
1:33:10
Speaker 1: cools the plan, and it goes back out. To the
1:33:12
Speaker 1: extent that system is in place in any given facility,
1:33:16
Speaker 1: I think we have the technology to clean any water
1:33:18
Speaker 1: that comes out. You could deal with that up front,
1:33:20
Speaker 1: and you know, insofar as noise is concerned, you know,
1:33:23
Speaker 1: we'll build windmill farms of thousands and thousands of acres
1:33:26
Speaker 1: of droning, bird killing windmills the name of keeping carbon
1:33:30
Speaker 1: dioxide out of the area. You gotta stare at them,
1:33:32
Speaker 1: one hundred plus foot towers that are monstrous and ugly.
1:33:36
Speaker 1: That's okay, no nimbi suit to keep that crap out
1:33:39
Speaker 1: of your yard. And what does it give us? Inefficient
1:33:42
Speaker 1: electricity production? It only works when the wind blows. But
1:33:44
Speaker 1: that's okay. You got a small footprint AI facility which
1:33:48
Speaker 1: apparently is churning out a lot of good in addition
1:33:50
Speaker 1: to potential evil, but also provides some jobs and some
1:33:53
Speaker 1: tax revenue for the area. People complain about it. Noise,
1:33:58
Speaker 1: Oh they have noise, I mean so bran.
1:34:04
Speaker 5: It's almost it's eve. It's crazier than that.
1:34:06
Speaker 7: This data center is literally next to the Ohio Turnpike.
1:34:11
Speaker 7: How much noise you think is coming off the Ohio
1:34:14
Speaker 7: Turnpike in Massaline. I walked around the facility with a
1:34:19
Speaker 7: noise meter, okay, and measured the noise all over the place.
1:34:24
Speaker 7: They're literally our houses thirty five feet off the property
1:34:28
Speaker 7: at this data center in Massaline, and the noise was
1:34:32
Speaker 7: nothing less more than traffic noise. Okay, But again, you
1:34:36
Speaker 7: got to have this conversation. And I respect the fact
1:34:39
Speaker 7: that people, you know, they want transparency. And I listened
1:34:44
Speaker 7: yesterday to the Ohio Channel testimony, the you know, the
1:34:49
Speaker 7: negative testimony by citizens about data centers.
1:34:52
Speaker 5: Two things were really important there.
1:34:55
Speaker 7: The first one was there's a lot of government agencies
1:34:59
Speaker 7: like township and county officials and economic development people who
1:35:04
Speaker 7: are lying to people. Okay, And here's the problem we're having.
1:35:09
Speaker 7: And I saw this yesterday, and you made a good point.
1:35:12
Speaker 7: The problem is they're using the term data center, and
1:35:16
Speaker 7: everyone thinks every data center is like the monstrosity in Utah.
1:35:20
Speaker 7: They're proposing that's the size of Manhattan. Okay, so if
1:35:24
Speaker 7: you say data center, they go immediately to that.
1:35:28
Speaker 5: But that's not true. Every data center is different.
1:35:31
Speaker 7: The ones we're talking about here in Ohio and some
1:35:34
Speaker 7: of these places, and there are some big ones in
1:35:35
Speaker 7: Allow two or three, but they look like the storage
1:35:38
Speaker 7: units around Cincinnati where you store your RV or your boat.
1:35:43
Speaker 7: I mean, it's nothing compared to the plants we see
1:35:46
Speaker 7: all over Ohio. But here's the thing that we've got
1:35:49
Speaker 7: to do. We've got to start to have a fair conversation.
1:35:54
Speaker 7: And I wrote to Vivek Ramaswami. Yesterday I wrote to
1:35:57
Speaker 7: Alex the chairman of the Public Party, and I said, guy,
1:36:00
Speaker 7: you've got to understand we've got a real.
1:36:02
Speaker 5: Problem here because the Left is splitting our base.
1:36:06
Speaker 7: The Left is getting us to go against the people
1:36:10
Speaker 7: on our base who are now against data centers. And
1:36:13
Speaker 7: if we're for them, we're gonna have a problem in
1:36:15
Speaker 7: November with the election if we don't start to spend
1:36:19
Speaker 7: money to get the truth out and to fight for transparency,
1:36:24
Speaker 7: to basically say no Nbas and the Wine with his
1:36:28
Speaker 7: tax ex breaks for data centers. There's no need for
1:36:32
Speaker 7: tax breaks.
1:36:32
Speaker 5: For data data centers.
1:36:34
Speaker 7: They're making a ton of money and this data center
1:36:36
Speaker 7: in Shaylersville isn't asking for any tax breaks.
1:36:39
Speaker 5: We have to be on the side of those things.
1:36:43
Speaker 5: And you know what we got to do.
1:36:44
Speaker 7: Most of all, you got to get the PUCO to
1:36:47
Speaker 7: protect citizens' rate bills from data centers. This is not
1:36:51
Speaker 7: the data centers saying, oh, I want you to pay
1:36:54
Speaker 7: for my electricity. Read the article at read the People
1:36:57
Speaker 7: Convention dot Org about this and you'll find that the
1:37:00
Speaker 7: problem is the p CEO isn't protecting the citizens, not
1:37:05
Speaker 7: that the data centers are trying to hurt you, and
1:37:08
Speaker 7: that's part of the hearings that are going on. And
1:37:10
Speaker 7: they're going to have more testimony on Thursday at the
1:37:13
Speaker 7: Ohio Channel and you're going to see the Ohio EPA
1:37:16
Speaker 7: and the Ohio UCO. Who are really the culprits in
1:37:20
Speaker 7: this that need to protect us. It's not the data centers,
1:37:23
Speaker 7: it's our government.
1:37:24
Speaker 1: Let's pause from one web just a couple of minutes
1:37:26
Speaker 1: left with Tom Zawastowski. We the People Convention dot org.
1:37:28
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1:37:30
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1:37:43
Speaker 1: We the People Convention dot org, where you can check
1:37:45
Speaker 1: out the article we've been talking about this morning. The
1:37:47
Speaker 1: anti data center hysteria is a foreign funded repeat of
1:37:51
Speaker 1: every failed lu DAI crusade. I just love the headline there. Tom,
1:37:55
Speaker 1: you dealt with the water lie at Closed Loop Systems,
1:37:59
Speaker 1: and I guess according to the fun facts that this
1:38:02
Speaker 1: article reveals, you know, may three thousand gallons maybe used
1:38:06
Speaker 1: a day or something, which is less or typical about
1:38:09
Speaker 1: office building. But moving aside from that, I appreciate the
1:38:13
Speaker 1: interjection of the point about an average eighteen whole golf
1:38:16
Speaker 1: course America south five hundred thousand gallons of water per
1:38:22
Speaker 1: day during growing season, and nobody complains about a moratorium
1:38:26
Speaker 1: one golf But over to the electricity, Clearly they use
1:38:29
Speaker 1: a lot of electricity. Nobody can deny that. And you know,
1:38:32
Speaker 1: we've struggled with peak power problems here. I know my
1:38:37
Speaker 1: electricity bill went up because I guess do kind of
1:38:40
Speaker 1: go out and buy additional electricity from the open market,
1:38:43
Speaker 1: which costs a lot more over the wintertime. How do
1:38:46
Speaker 1: we address that? My answer has always been, well, let
1:38:48
Speaker 1: the data centers bring their own power supply with them,
1:38:51
Speaker 1: and I always then default two small modular reactors. I
1:38:54
Speaker 1: don't know if we're there yet, but we got regulatory
1:38:56
Speaker 1: hurdles that put a problem in front of that. But
1:38:58
Speaker 1: that's something that every community could bend fit from. If
1:39:01
Speaker 1: they bring an SMR, it'll be more than enough to
1:39:03
Speaker 1: power the AI facility in the neighborhood might get the
1:39:05
Speaker 1: benefit of the extra power. Tom your thoughts.
1:39:08
Speaker 7: Yeah, you'll see an article on our website where people
1:39:11
Speaker 7: Convention dot org where President Trump called all these data
1:39:14
Speaker 7: center companies in and had them sign an agreement that said,
1:39:17
Speaker 7: you will bring your own power, you will do exactly
1:39:21
Speaker 7: what you said, and they're willing to do it. The
1:39:23
Speaker 7: problem is, if you read the article that we're talking about,
1:39:26
Speaker 7: they talk about how the public utility commissions in these
1:39:30
Speaker 7: various states are stopping them.
1:39:32
Speaker 5: From doing this. And in Ohio we've had just gross
1:39:35
Speaker 5: mismanagement of our power.
1:39:38
Speaker 7: Again going back to hey, let's close twenty four coal
1:39:41
Speaker 7: plants that would be really handy to have right now,
1:39:44
Speaker 7: wouldn't they right? And we got all this coal, but
1:39:46
Speaker 7: we got nowhere to burn it. You know, this is
1:39:49
Speaker 7: part of the problem. And nuclear you know, Ohio led
1:39:52
Speaker 7: in nuclear Backcox and Willbox out of Barbara to Ohio
1:39:55
Speaker 7: like invented nuclear plants, and why aren't we doing that?
1:40:00
Speaker 7: Well we're starting to, but we're behind the curve. So
1:40:04
Speaker 7: your your point is really important. I want everyone understand this.
1:40:08
Speaker 7: The bottom line is we can build safe data centers
1:40:13
Speaker 7: that will benefit the community. What we need to do
1:40:17
Speaker 7: is have transparency, no NDAs, no you know, not telling people.
1:40:22
Speaker 7: What's going on from you know, the township trustees and stuff. Yeah,
1:40:25
Speaker 7: and we need to answer their questions. And then in
1:40:28
Speaker 7: this Sellersville site, here's the deal. I'm talking to the developers.
1:40:32
Speaker 7: I'm saying, here's the deal. You're going to sign a
1:40:34
Speaker 7: contract with the Sellersville's trustees that say.
1:40:38
Speaker 5: This is exactly how you're going to build it, just
1:40:40
Speaker 5: like you said. And you're going to answer these specific.
1:40:43
Speaker 7: Questions about noise, about water, about power and all that stuff.
1:40:47
Speaker 7: And then you're going to give us a guaranteed Instead
1:40:51
Speaker 7: of projections about property taxes, you're going to commit to
1:40:55
Speaker 7: some minimum payments that the community is going to get
1:40:58
Speaker 7: because it's huge. I'm talking Schiller's your township. If this
1:41:02
Speaker 7: data center does what they think it's gonna do, it
1:41:05
Speaker 7: will double their township budget, double it. The school district
1:41:10
Speaker 7: will get two million year.
1:41:12
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I was gonna ask. Aren't the teachers
1:41:14
Speaker 1: unions in favor of this? Because of that point?
1:41:16
Speaker 7: Tom Well, the superintendent's eyes got real big when they
1:41:21
Speaker 7: told her about that. And I we're gonna see how
1:41:24
Speaker 7: much pressure the unions have from their communist brethren right
1:41:29
Speaker 7: to to cut off their noses fight their face. So
1:41:32
Speaker 7: then the third part is we're gonna have a bond
1:41:35
Speaker 7: that's tied to this contract that says, hey, if the
1:41:39
Speaker 7: closed loop system leaks, you know, there's insurance to cover for,
1:41:43
Speaker 7: you know, fixing the problem.
1:41:45
Speaker 5: Okay.
1:41:45
Speaker 7: So and so the bottom line is we can do
1:41:49
Speaker 7: this in an intelligent way without the hysteria. And yesterday,
1:41:54
Speaker 7: I'll finish with this, but you'll let I lost it
1:41:57
Speaker 7: when when I was watching it, here you just to say,
1:42:00
Speaker 7: and a woman brought up Silent Spring, the Margaret Sanger
1:42:04
Speaker 7: book about DDT care you're damaging the shells of birds,
1:42:09
Speaker 7: you know, eggs, and how.
1:42:10
Speaker 5: We had to ban DT. She brought it up and
1:42:13
Speaker 5: compared data centers to DDT. When that book was totally
1:42:19
Speaker 5: disgraced and found there was a complete lie.
1:42:23
Speaker 7: Indeed, the banning of DDT actually killed hundreds of thousands
1:42:27
Speaker 7: of people around the world because they couldn't use.
1:42:30
Speaker 5: It to stop mosquitoes. And they brought it up in
1:42:33
Speaker 5: that hearing. That's the hysteria I'm talking about.
1:42:36
Speaker 7: You're making decision based on nonsense, right, the climate change,
1:42:41
Speaker 7: you know, to the un just versus climate change, right, yeah,
1:42:45
Speaker 7: because it's all bull crapck facts. Let's get to the
1:42:49
Speaker 7: bottom of this and let's do what's right for America
1:42:52
Speaker 7: and for our communities and for Ohio to Birch County.
1:42:55
Speaker 7: Teaparty dot com. Also, you'll see this whole Shalersville thing
1:42:59
Speaker 7: spelled out with all the details.
1:43:01
Speaker 5: Go to that too.
1:43:01
Speaker 1: There's another side to check out edition to week the
1:43:03
Speaker 1: people at convention dot Org. Tom. It's always a pleasure
1:43:05
Speaker 1: for having you on the show. Have a fantastic week
1:43:07
Speaker 1: and keep up the great work, my friend. We'll deal
1:43:08
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1:43:22
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1:43:25
Speaker 1: Bright Bart National Security Editor John Hayward. Good to have
1:43:29
Speaker 1: you back on, John knows, notably since we need to
1:43:31
Speaker 1: talk about what in the hell's going on in the
1:43:32
Speaker 1: situation between the United States Israel. Of course, Andy Ron,
1:43:36
Speaker 1: welcome back. John.
1:43:38
Speaker 4: Great to talk to you again. That's a pretty big subject,
1:43:41
Speaker 4: no kidding.
1:43:41
Speaker 1: And what an active day yesterday, you know, Honestly, John,
1:43:45
Speaker 1: I I hate to, you know, sort of laugh sometimes
1:43:47
Speaker 1: out loud about the whole thing. I mean, are we
1:43:49
Speaker 1: in a ceasefire at any given time or not when
1:43:51
Speaker 1: rockets seem to be going back and forth almost NonStop.
1:43:54
Speaker 1: So there's that fun fact. But I had I saw
1:43:56
Speaker 1: this yesterday quote. I had a conversation with beating net
1:43:59
Speaker 1: y'all today. This is Trump asking him not to conduct
1:44:02
Speaker 1: a major rate on Bay Root. He turned his troops around,
1:44:04
Speaker 1: thank you, Bibe. I also had a conversation with representatives
1:44:07
Speaker 1: of the leaders of Hezbala. They agreed to stop shooting
1:44:09
Speaker 1: at Israel and as soldiers. Let's see how long this
1:44:12
Speaker 1: Israel stopped shooting at them. Let's see how long this lasts.
1:44:14
Speaker 1: Hopefully it'll be for an eternity, declaring a ceasefire at
1:44:17
Speaker 1: Iran's behest, because Iran has linked the situation between Hezbala
1:44:22
Speaker 1: and Israel with the broader straight of horror moves and
1:44:25
Speaker 1: actions we have against the Iranians. Now, we haven't negotiated
1:44:28
Speaker 1: a sea fire where we haven't negotiated peace yet with
1:44:31
Speaker 1: the Iranians. Yet within hours of what Trump just I read,
1:44:35
Speaker 1: we had the Hezbala launching missiles into Israel. I guess
1:44:40
Speaker 1: they didn't get the memo. John, can you break this
1:44:42
Speaker 1: down and explain it to me, because I'm a little confused.
1:44:45
Speaker 4: Well, I think they got the memo. I think that
1:44:47
Speaker 4: was very deliberate. The structure was created where we had
1:44:50
Speaker 4: a ceasefire and it was based on Hasbola not shooting
1:44:53
Speaker 4: at Israel. Israel said they would pull back from Beirut.
1:44:56
Speaker 4: Lebanon announced it as well as Trump, so it seemed
1:44:58
Speaker 4: like it was a real thing. And then Iran told
1:45:01
Speaker 4: his Bola start shooting again. All they wanted to do
1:45:04
Speaker 4: was was provoke and break up this seeming detante and
1:45:07
Speaker 4: they did it in a matter of minutes, if not ours,
1:45:10
Speaker 4: and his Bola was right back to attacking Israel. Iran
1:45:13
Speaker 4: does this because they know that every time the ceasefires collapse,
1:45:16
Speaker 4: it helps them delay and rebuild and continue their usual scam.
1:45:20
Speaker 4: And they know at this point, their calculation is that
1:45:23
Speaker 4: the US is so eager to have some kind of
1:45:25
Speaker 4: negotiation in progress, to get some kind of a negotiated
1:45:28
Speaker 4: deal that will look the other way while they do
1:45:31
Speaker 4: these provocations. We'll let this slide, We'll find a way
1:45:34
Speaker 4: to excuse it or say that it doesn't totally disrupt
1:45:36
Speaker 4: the deal. The Iranians said when the israel first moved
1:45:39
Speaker 4: into Lebanon Pass pay Route yesterday that they weren't going
1:45:42
Speaker 4: to talk to us at all anymore, and so far
1:45:45
Speaker 4: as I know, they haven't rescinded that declaration. So I'm
1:45:48
Speaker 4: not sure there's really any kind of meaningful negotiation taking
1:45:50
Speaker 4: place at all right now.
1:45:51
Speaker 1: Well, which means what John, Because we've heard Donald Trump
1:45:55
Speaker 1: threatened I'm going to go full on, you know, kinetic,
1:45:57
Speaker 1: or blow them off the face of the earth, whatever
1:46:00
Speaker 1: of rhetoric he is used in the past, never to
1:46:02
Speaker 1: follow through with that. Does that not represent sort of
1:46:06
Speaker 1: an acknowledgment that maybe we're not capable of dealing with
1:46:09
Speaker 1: it and it's going to be a much bigger challenge
1:46:11
Speaker 1: than it was painted to be at the outset. This
1:46:13
Speaker 1: isn't overthrowing a single guy in Venezuela. This is dealing
1:46:17
Speaker 1: with a religious fundamentalist reality among the Iranian people and
1:46:20
Speaker 1: most notably the Iranian National Guard of the Iranian forces.
1:46:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, Unfortunately, I'm sure Trump has been appraised by military
1:46:29
Speaker 4: planners that the only way to nullify Iran's threat to
1:46:32
Speaker 4: the Strait Ramuz, which is the big sticking point right now,
1:46:34
Speaker 4: is to invade and occupy the territory that they used
1:46:37
Speaker 4: to attack it, which means boots on the ground. He
1:46:39
Speaker 4: doesn't want to do that. The political costs of that
1:46:41
Speaker 4: would be enormous. Iran's pretty convinced he won't do that,
1:46:44
Speaker 4: and since they don't see any other proxy ground force
1:46:47
Speaker 4: taking shape, that's important. You know, At some point in
1:46:50
Speaker 4: this process, I think American planners may have thought that
1:46:53
Speaker 4: other Middle Eastern countries or dissident groups like the Kurds
1:46:57
Speaker 4: in Iran would be willing to rise up and take
1:46:59
Speaker 4: arms and become ground force as proxies. But all of
1:47:02
Speaker 4: the other Middle Eastern nations are scared to death of
1:47:05
Speaker 4: Iran and they're refusing to do anything to fight back
1:47:08
Speaker 4: against them when the Iranians bomb them, So none of
1:47:10
Speaker 4: them is going to provide any kind of a ground army,
1:47:13
Speaker 4: and efforts to use somebody else as a proxy have failed.
1:47:15
Speaker 4: So the Iranians know that nothing they do is going
1:47:18
Speaker 4: to trigger a ground invasion at this point, and nothing
1:47:20
Speaker 4: would end their regime except a ground invasion, So they
1:47:24
Speaker 4: really have no incentive to do anything. But what they're
1:47:26
Speaker 4: doing just keep provoking, keep poking the bear, keep the
1:47:30
Speaker 4: disaster rolling along. They're looking at the calendar in the
1:47:32
Speaker 4: United States, the political calendar, the midterm elections are drawing
1:47:35
Speaker 4: ever closer, and they're calculating that as long as they
1:47:38
Speaker 4: keep doing this, the odds of them getting everything they
1:47:41
Speaker 4: want and some kind of a negotiation are going to
1:47:43
Speaker 4: be better and better.
1:47:44
Speaker 1: Well, whether or not the odds of them getting better
1:47:46
Speaker 1: and better conditions in a negotiation, obviously that's going to
1:47:49
Speaker 1: require some progress on negotiations. We don't seem to be
1:47:52
Speaker 1: even negotiating right now. But I think what sounds to
1:47:56
Speaker 1: me like they have appropriately calculated the landscape and time,
1:48:00
Speaker 1: I guess is on their side. They know he's got
1:48:02
Speaker 1: a political problem Trump does. They know the war is
1:48:04
Speaker 1: not popular among the people, and the idea that all
1:48:07
Speaker 1: of the Arab nations in the region, which ultimately I
1:48:10
Speaker 1: think would really benefit immeasurably from the elimination of the
1:48:14
Speaker 1: leaders in Iran. They're scared to death, in your words,
1:48:17
Speaker 1: of the Iranians for the same reason I guess, we
1:48:19
Speaker 1: don't try to open the strait of horror moves. They
1:48:21
Speaker 1: can launch a bunch of missiles into these various nations
1:48:24
Speaker 1: and pretty much wipe out their oil infrastructure, if not
1:48:27
Speaker 1: their economies. Is that accurate, Yeah, exactly right.
1:48:31
Speaker 4: The other Middle Eastern nations, especially Saudi Arabia, the United
1:48:35
Speaker 4: Arab Emirates, Kuwait, places like that, they have valuable oil
1:48:39
Speaker 4: infrastructure that's somewhat fragile that they can't defend completely from
1:48:42
Speaker 4: swarms of drones and missiles out of Iran. And most
1:48:45
Speaker 4: of those countries. I think we've learned over these past
1:48:48
Speaker 4: few months. Those countries may spend a lot on their militaries,
1:48:51
Speaker 4: and they may talk a lot about how fierce they are,
1:48:53
Speaker 4: but they're not warrior nations. They're not militaristic. They are
1:48:57
Speaker 4: no match for the Iranians in a straight up combat.
1:49:00
Speaker 4: For years, they've been pretending they would be the Saudis
1:49:02
Speaker 4: and the Amordis and everybody we're pretending to all together
1:49:05
Speaker 4: they have a significant military force that checks Iran. That's
1:49:08
Speaker 4: not true. None of them is really ready to fight
1:49:10
Speaker 4: Iran in a pitched battle. None of them can absorb
1:49:13
Speaker 4: the kind of casualties that Iran has demonstrated it's prepared
1:49:16
Speaker 4: to absorb and maintain power. And all of those Sunni monarchies.
1:49:20
Speaker 4: All the other Gulf countries, they have large populations of
1:49:23
Speaker 4: chiaied Muslims that are loyal to Iran or sympathetic to Iran,
1:49:27
Speaker 4: and they're all afraid that if they get into a
1:49:29
Speaker 4: major conflict with the Iranians, their Shiite minorities will rise
1:49:33
Speaker 4: up and cause them trouble, and theirs might be the
1:49:35
Speaker 4: regime that goes down. So for all of those reasons,
1:49:37
Speaker 4: all of those countries would rather pay ransoms and sit
1:49:40
Speaker 4: back and let the Iranians dominate the Middle East. And
1:49:42
Speaker 4: it's been sobering to discover that. I think a lot
1:49:45
Speaker 4: of American planners didn't think that that was the way
1:49:47
Speaker 4: this is going to go, but that is the way
1:49:49
Speaker 4: this is going.
1:49:49
Speaker 1: Well. Time is on their side as they delay this
1:49:52
Speaker 1: process in order to bring about pain for Donald Trump
1:49:54
Speaker 1: at the ballot box in November. But also they've been
1:49:57
Speaker 1: using this time apparently to clear the entran since to
1:50:00
Speaker 1: targeted tunnels they are rebuilding missile production side. CNN reported
1:50:04
Speaker 1: about this just the other day about satellite imagery swing
1:50:06
Speaker 1: that there's been a lot of repair that the Riunians
1:50:09
Speaker 1: have been able to do in a fairly short period
1:50:10
Speaker 1: of time, and of course, looming in the background of
1:50:13
Speaker 1: all that is the unknown seemingly acknowledged by everyone's stockpiles
1:50:17
Speaker 1: of missiles and drones that the Ritians seem to have
1:50:20
Speaker 1: an unlimited supply of, which causes the very problems that
1:50:23
Speaker 1: interfere with our ability to negotiate some resolution with them.
1:50:26
Speaker 1: So John Hayward, where in the hell does this leave us?
1:50:33
Speaker 4: Well? I think one other factor is that one reason
1:50:35
Speaker 4: Iran doesn't think Trump is going to go kinetic again
1:50:38
Speaker 4: is that we rely on bases in those Arab countries
1:50:41
Speaker 4: that are nominally our allies to do a lot of
1:50:43
Speaker 4: those operations. And at this point, after what Iran has
1:50:46
Speaker 4: done to them in their response, I wouldn't be surprised
1:50:49
Speaker 4: if some of them refuse to let us do that again.
1:50:51
Speaker 4: And I know the administration doesn't want to push that issue.
1:50:53
Speaker 4: They don't want to say, Okay, we're going to renew
1:50:55
Speaker 4: our attacks, are going to take out those Iranian drone stockpiles,
1:50:58
Speaker 4: and we're going to destroy their missile capacity again. And
1:51:01
Speaker 4: the Saudis, the Amordes, the Kuwaitis will say, no, you
1:51:04
Speaker 4: can't use your basis in our country to do that.
1:51:06
Speaker 4: We don't want to provoke the Iranians into attacking us again,
1:51:09
Speaker 4: and nobody wants that to happen. Nobody wants to call
1:51:11
Speaker 4: that bluff and have that actually occur. So yeah, really,
1:51:15
Speaker 4: at this point, Iran's getting time to rebuild. They're putting
1:51:17
Speaker 4: things back together. They're and it's going to take them
1:51:19
Speaker 4: a long time to get back to where they were
1:51:21
Speaker 4: before what we did to them. But they've demonstrated that
1:51:24
Speaker 4: even at reduced capacity, there's still an existential threat to
1:51:27
Speaker 4: the other countries in the region. And that lets the
1:51:30
Speaker 4: exercise power. They have killing machines and they have the
1:51:32
Speaker 4: will to use them, and the other countries around them
1:51:35
Speaker 4: lack the will. In the end, all conflict is a
1:51:38
Speaker 4: test of will, a test of morale, and Iran thinks
1:51:41
Speaker 4: right now they've got things going their way in the region.
1:51:43
Speaker 1: Well, all this leads me to sort of conclude, and please,
1:51:46
Speaker 1: Dear God, if I've missed something, correct me if I'm wrong,
1:51:48
Speaker 1: because I'm looking for some note of optimism. This john
1:51:52
Speaker 1: the idea that the Iranian people so sick of one
1:51:54
Speaker 1: hundred percent inflation year over year, they had fifty three
1:51:57
Speaker 1: point nine percent inflation. Of course, the Central Bank of
1:52:01
Speaker 1: in one month they can't manage. The Iranian people are
1:52:04
Speaker 1: starving and they have to be upset with their leadership.
1:52:07
Speaker 1: Does their religious fundamentalism trump the pain that they're feeling,
1:52:11
Speaker 1: the starvation that they may very well be feeling very soon.
1:52:14
Speaker 1: I guess that's where my only glimmer of hope seems
1:52:16
Speaker 1: to come from. A people, a populace that rises up
1:52:19
Speaker 1: against the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.
1:52:23
Speaker 4: Well, for some of them, yeah, their fundamentalism does trump
1:52:25
Speaker 4: everything else, and that's why they're sticking with this. But
1:52:28
Speaker 4: the others are scared to death. They remember when they
1:52:30
Speaker 4: rose up in January, the regime murdered forty fifty thousand
1:52:33
Speaker 4: of them without blinking an eye. And however much Iran
1:52:36
Speaker 4: has been degraded, they still can murder their own citizens.
1:52:39
Speaker 4: That's not hard to do. When your population is unarmed
1:52:42
Speaker 4: and you have murderous thugs ready to pull the trigger
1:52:44
Speaker 4: on them. It's not that hard to keep a vast
1:52:47
Speaker 4: population under control with violence. And the public knows if
1:52:50
Speaker 4: they dare to come out right now and protests against
1:52:52
Speaker 4: the regime, they'll be slaughtered in mass And I think
1:52:55
Speaker 4: that's keeping them quiet. You know, they know nobody's going
1:52:57
Speaker 4: to save them. If the regime starts doing that, they're
1:53:00
Speaker 4: afraid to go out there and just be killed by
1:53:02
Speaker 4: trying to stage inn uprising right now. Possibly another miscalculation
1:53:05
Speaker 4: on the part of planners. Maybe they thought that once
1:53:07
Speaker 4: we weakened the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Coourd, the public would
1:53:10
Speaker 4: come out and feel like they can't be massacred again
1:53:13
Speaker 4: like they were last time. But they apparently are still
1:53:15
Speaker 4: scared to death of that. So I wouldn't look for
1:53:18
Speaker 4: that popular uprising anytime really soon. If it happens, it'll
1:53:21
Speaker 4: be a game changer one way or the other. It
1:53:23
Speaker 4: could end in a massacre like nothing we've ever seen
1:53:25
Speaker 4: before if they tried to do it, But who knows
1:53:28
Speaker 4: would that even change world opinion. Would any of the
1:53:30
Speaker 4: people that bailed on Trump when he was asking for
1:53:32
Speaker 4: help during Operation Epic Fury. Would any of those other
1:53:35
Speaker 4: countries change their minds if they saw one hundred thousand
1:53:38
Speaker 4: Iranian citizens gunned down in the streets. I doubt that
1:53:40
Speaker 4: they would.
1:53:41
Speaker 1: Well, we don't know what went on behind the scenes
1:53:43
Speaker 1: when Trump decided to launch this military action against the Iranians,
1:53:46
Speaker 1: but I have to say that I was one of
1:53:48
Speaker 1: the folks that you know, I look at my Constitution,
1:53:50
Speaker 1: I read declaration of war, and even though I think
1:53:52
Speaker 1: the War Powers Resolution is in and of itself an
1:53:55
Speaker 1: unconstitutional delegation of authority, at least it's on the books
1:53:58
Speaker 1: requires some measure of congression, action and guidance that requires discussion,
1:54:04
Speaker 1: and discussion ahead of time might have brought up all
1:54:06
Speaker 1: of these terrible realities of what's going on in Iran
1:54:09
Speaker 1: right now. We seem to have no options that will
1:54:12
Speaker 1: allow us to declare a win. And it also seems
1:54:14
Speaker 1: like we're going to end up leaving Iran and control
1:54:16
Speaker 1: the Straight of Horror moves and build every part every
1:54:18
Speaker 1: ship that goes through for some sort of fine or
1:54:20
Speaker 1: toll or fee.
1:54:22
Speaker 5: But do we have.
1:54:27
Speaker 1: We are We're out of options, So are we? I mean, seriously,
1:54:29
Speaker 1: have you the baseball.
1:54:30
Speaker 4: Well to neutralize?
1:54:34
Speaker 1: Do you think that these these problems that we're facing
1:54:37
Speaker 1: now that seem, of course, with hindsight, to be so
1:54:40
Speaker 1: maybe obvious. Do you think these conversations were had ahead
1:54:44
Speaker 1: before we launched this strike or is this just are
1:54:46
Speaker 1: these things that we just overlooked or didn't think were possible?
1:54:50
Speaker 5: Oh?
1:54:50
Speaker 4: No, I think this was discussed within the White House.
1:54:53
Speaker 4: The problem with trying to do it with Congress is
1:54:55
Speaker 4: that there is zero transparency there. You know, anything you
1:54:58
Speaker 4: say to Congress is going to get leaked, yes, from
1:55:00
Speaker 4: public knowledge. And the opening movement here, remember, was this
1:55:03
Speaker 4: devastating initial strike that took out the Ayatola and a
1:55:05
Speaker 4: lot of the top leadership. There's no way they could
1:55:07
Speaker 4: have done that if they didn't do it exactly the
1:55:10
Speaker 4: way they did, acting with lightning speed and taking advantage
1:55:13
Speaker 4: of an opportunity. That part was amazing. I like to say,
1:55:16
Speaker 4: there's a lot of variables here. Yeah, there's a lot
1:55:18
Speaker 4: to discuss, and I'm sure they talked about a lot
1:55:20
Speaker 4: of this stuff and some of it was just a
1:55:22
Speaker 4: miscalculation or misunderstanding. Some of it were gambles that might
1:55:26
Speaker 4: have paid off and they just didn't. You know, some
1:55:28
Speaker 4: of them are nasty surprises. I think a lot of
1:55:30
Speaker 4: the behavior of the other Middle Eastern countries is a
1:55:32
Speaker 4: genuine surprise because I'm sure a lot of those countries
1:55:35
Speaker 4: talked very, very tough right up until the moment when
1:55:37
Speaker 4: they revealed that they're actually craving, you know, I'm sure
1:55:40
Speaker 4: that was a big factor in all of this.
1:55:42
Speaker 1: Well, the decapitation strike that started this off seemingly brilliant, obviously,
1:55:46
Speaker 1: with everybody packed in one room and one bomb blowing up,
1:55:49
Speaker 1: effectively killing all of the leadership. You know, a La Maduro,
1:55:52
Speaker 1: you would have thought that that would end up a
1:55:54
Speaker 1: regime change, but boy, they've got enough people willing to
1:55:56
Speaker 1: fill those the vacuum of leaders right away. It doesn't
1:55:59
Speaker 1: seem to have had any impact long term in this conflict.
1:56:03
Speaker 1: So great from an optic standpoint at the outset, but
1:56:07
Speaker 1: the result not what anybody expected.
1:56:11
Speaker 3: Right in the end.
1:56:12
Speaker 4: The most important thing that happened after that was that
1:56:14
Speaker 4: the IRGC, the military took over everything and is now
1:56:18
Speaker 4: one hundred percent running the country in every way, and
1:56:20
Speaker 4: they were ninety percent running it before. You know, it
1:56:23
Speaker 4: was somewhat of an illusion that they ever had a
1:56:24
Speaker 4: meaningful secular government, but most of that illusion has now
1:56:27
Speaker 4: been stripped away. There's persistent rumors that the president, the
1:56:30
Speaker 4: sudent Possesskiin has either threatened to resign or he did it,
1:56:33
Speaker 4: and they're denying those rumors in Iran. But I wouldn't
1:56:36
Speaker 4: blame him for being feeling frustrated and feeling like his
1:56:38
Speaker 4: wing of the government has been rendered irrelevant. By everything
1:56:41
Speaker 4: that's happening right now.
1:56:43
Speaker 1: Well, John Hayward, the Breitbart's security editor, you want to
1:56:47
Speaker 1: try to end on a note of optimism or are
1:56:49
Speaker 1: we Are we in as dismal a place as I'm hearing.
1:56:55
Speaker 4: Well, I'll say one thing. This blockade of Iran is
1:56:58
Speaker 4: definitely an effective tool. It is hurt them, and if
1:57:00
Speaker 4: we keep it going for long enough, it might hurt
1:57:03
Speaker 4: them enough where even the fanatics and the military types
1:57:05
Speaker 4: are feeling the pinch and that want that to end.
1:57:08
Speaker 4: If we can hold the blockade one hundred percent, there
1:57:11
Speaker 4: are some rumors that we haven't been able to hold
1:57:13
Speaker 4: it one hundred percent of some things have gotten through,
1:57:15
Speaker 4: but it's definitely cut down Iran's commerce. It's definitely hurting
1:57:18
Speaker 4: their economy, which was weak to begin with.
1:57:20
Speaker 3: That kind of.
1:57:21
Speaker 4: Pressure can be very effective, but it's a test of will.
1:57:24
Speaker 4: And on our side we have people grumbling about higher
1:57:26
Speaker 4: gas prices and midterm elections coming out. The Iranians are
1:57:29
Speaker 4: looking at where they think the finish line is and
1:57:31
Speaker 4: how long they need to hold out to get there.
1:57:33
Speaker 4: And I'm not sure they're wrong about the amount of
1:57:35
Speaker 4: time left to really bring them to heal with this pressure.
1:57:38
Speaker 4: So if Trump can think of another way to ratchet
1:57:40
Speaker 4: the pressure up even more without going kinetic again, that
1:57:43
Speaker 4: would help. If there's another card yet to be played
1:57:46
Speaker 4: like that, but I'm not sure if.
1:57:47
Speaker 1: There is, John Herri Forrey Park Company. Where is China
1:57:49
Speaker 1: in all this? I know they have a problem with
1:57:52
Speaker 1: the straight uformos being closed also because obviously they get
1:57:55
Speaker 1: most of their oil from the Iranians. But someone has
1:57:58
Speaker 1: to be funding and supporting the iranians devastated economy. Someone
1:58:01
Speaker 1: has to be supplying them with drones and arms and
1:58:04
Speaker 1: missiles or other supplies they need to keep this conflict going.
1:58:08
Speaker 1: Do you have any concept of where they are in
1:58:10
Speaker 1: this role?
1:58:11
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's China. They're big partners of Iran. They're
1:58:14
Speaker 4: not really happy with a lot of what Iran has done.
1:58:16
Speaker 4: They've made it publicly known that they're a little disgruntled
1:58:19
Speaker 4: with some of the way Iran and Russia in Ukraine
1:58:22
Speaker 4: have done things that have compromised China's long term plans.
1:58:25
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, Iran is a
1:58:26
Speaker 4: part of their axis. They're not going to abandon them.
1:58:29
Speaker 4: They're still their partners and they're looking forward to making
1:58:32
Speaker 4: money on rebuilding Iran and rearming Iran when the crisis
1:58:35
Speaker 4: is over. So China publicly calls for some kind of
1:58:37
Speaker 4: a peace deal every day of the week, but they're
1:58:39
Speaker 4: not going to do anything to actually change the calculations
1:58:42
Speaker 4: or balance things out. I think maybe some American planners
1:58:45
Speaker 4: thought China might be so distraught at the Strait of
1:58:48
Speaker 4: Hormosbian closed that they would help to reopen it forcibly
1:58:51
Speaker 4: by sending their ships to help police it. They've made
1:58:53
Speaker 4: it clear they're not going to do that. So they're
1:58:55
Speaker 4: getting some oil through the Straight of Hormos. We are
1:58:57
Speaker 4: seeing a couple of ships pop through their misteeliously and
1:59:00
Speaker 4: come out of the other side with oil. For China,
1:59:02
Speaker 4: it's a fraction of what they used to get every day,
1:59:05
Speaker 4: but it's enough to help them keep going, combined with
1:59:06
Speaker 4: their enormous reserves, and unless things get a lot worse
1:59:09
Speaker 4: for China, I wouldn't look for them to step in
1:59:12
Speaker 4: with a strong hand against Iran and say, look, at
1:59:14
Speaker 4: a minimum, you have to stop menacing straight or four.
1:59:16
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Speaker 1: the retired lieutenant colonel has to say about a variety
1:59:37
Speaker 1: of from matters military related of course, another day to
1:59:41
Speaker 1: talk about the situation between the United States, Iran and
1:59:44
Speaker 1: of course Israel and hasbolic because they all seem to
1:59:46
Speaker 1: be baled up into one. Welcome back, Daniel Davis. It's
1:59:48
Speaker 1: allays a pleasure to have you on.
1:59:50
Speaker 6: Always great to be here, Brian, thanks for having me back.
1:59:53
Speaker 1: A very interesting day, on off, on off. Usually it
1:59:56
Speaker 1: comes over spurs your washerants repeat. We've been joking about this,
1:59:59
Speaker 1: and one day we're talking about negotiation. A few days
2:00:01
Speaker 1: go by, the negotiations are off, bombs are going to
2:00:03
Speaker 1: start dropping, then we're back at the table. So this
2:00:05
Speaker 1: seems to be ultimately a delaying tactic. I get the
2:00:08
Speaker 1: impression Donald Trump really does not want to start kinetic action,
2:00:11
Speaker 1: and I know there's reasons for that which we can
2:00:13
Speaker 1: get to. But yesterday he said there's a little glitch
2:00:16
Speaker 1: but I turned that around very quickly. As you probably
2:00:18
Speaker 1: noticed earlier. I spoke with Hesbala and I said no shooting.
2:00:21
Speaker 1: I talked with Bebe and they said no shooting, and
2:00:23
Speaker 1: they both stopped shooting at each other.
2:00:25
Speaker 5: And then.
2:00:27
Speaker 1: Hours later as Bala starts shooting at Israel again. So
2:00:30
Speaker 1: it didn't work out real well. We never do start
2:00:35
Speaker 1: launching a kinetic action. And you have proven yourself right.
2:00:39
Speaker 1: I do believe, because I know a lot of people
2:00:41
Speaker 1: were a little upset with you saying, you know, the
2:00:43
Speaker 1: Iranians have a lot of missiles and a lot of
2:00:45
Speaker 1: drones and they can do serious damage if we try
2:00:47
Speaker 1: to open the strait of horror moves. The American military
2:00:49
Speaker 1: would have opened this strait of horror mood it moves
2:00:52
Speaker 1: if it had the ability to do so. Is that
2:00:54
Speaker 1: a true statement there at the end, Daniel Davis.
2:00:57
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it for sure is.
2:00:59
Speaker 6: I get puzzles sometimes why people get aggravated me, and
2:01:03
Speaker 6: I see it on my own shows several times, like Fellows,
2:01:07
Speaker 6: I'm just telling you what the reality is on the ground.
2:01:09
Speaker 6: If you don't like it, you know, take it up
2:01:11
Speaker 6: with Iran or US or Israel, etc. Because that's where
2:01:15
Speaker 6: the fundamentals exist, and listen ya, Look, we wouldn't have
2:01:19
Speaker 6: even gone to a ceasefire if we had the ability
2:01:22
Speaker 6: to complete the job and to bring them militarily under submission.
2:01:25
Speaker 1: I mean, it would have been insane to do anything else.
2:01:27
Speaker 6: There's a reason why we accepted the ceasefire, because we
2:01:30
Speaker 6: realized we were running too low on missiles and they
2:01:33
Speaker 6: had too many left that we couldn't take out. And
2:01:35
Speaker 6: none of that has changed, And in fact the only
2:01:37
Speaker 6: thing that has changed is that they have more missiles
2:01:39
Speaker 6: now that they had because they continue to manufacture them
2:01:43
Speaker 6: underground where we can't reach, and they have cleared off
2:01:46
Speaker 6: a lot of the tunnels that we blocked up with
2:01:48
Speaker 6: some of the missiles where we could hit those have
2:01:50
Speaker 6: now been opened back up. So we're in a less
2:01:53
Speaker 6: good position than we were before because our inventories are
2:01:55
Speaker 6: lower and we just don't have enough to be able
2:01:58
Speaker 6: to hit that target set. That's the problem.
2:02:01
Speaker 1: Well, in the Iranians are dealing with an economy that's
2:02:04
Speaker 1: tanking and catering. I know inflation has gone through the
2:02:06
Speaker 1: roof of the Iranian people are probably struggling mightily, although
2:02:09
Speaker 1: I know the folks in charge really don't care what
2:02:11
Speaker 1: happens to the people. They're religious fundamentalists and they're probably
2:02:14
Speaker 1: eating well people be damned. They obviously are willing to
2:02:18
Speaker 1: murder their own people. So this idea that we're going
2:02:20
Speaker 1: to have some internal revolution to overthrow in the Iranian
2:02:23
Speaker 1: Revolutionary Guard doesn't seem to be manifesting itself. So we
2:02:26
Speaker 1: can wait around to see if that ultimately happens based
2:02:28
Speaker 1: upon basically a starving population. But we still have their
2:02:32
Speaker 1: ports closed, they have the straight of horror moves clothes.
2:02:35
Speaker 1: So is this are we in a battle of attrition?
2:02:39
Speaker 6: Well, we kind of are, though I would I would
2:02:41
Speaker 6: take a bit issue with the characterization there. The Iranian
2:02:43
Speaker 6: leadership does care about their people, and the people aren't
2:02:47
Speaker 6: just like held captive. I mean, they're protesting almost every
2:02:49
Speaker 6: not in support of what their country is doing, holding rallies,
2:02:53
Speaker 6: et cetera, because they view this as everybody against them,
2:02:57
Speaker 6: and even those and I've talked to some of them
2:02:59
Speaker 6: on by show of those who were adamantly opposed to
2:03:01
Speaker 6: the regime now then they are supporting them, the whole
2:03:04
Speaker 6: rally around the flag thing, because they're being attacked and bombed,
2:03:08
Speaker 6: et cetera. During the active phase, and they're being blockaded
2:03:11
Speaker 6: right now, and for sure they definitely are because they
2:03:13
Speaker 6: told me this as well. The inflection is through the roof.
2:03:16
Speaker 5: They're shortages of a lot of things.
2:03:18
Speaker 6: But they view this as an existential threat that you
2:03:21
Speaker 6: as you point out there, and therefore they are used
2:03:24
Speaker 6: to dealing with this. They have done with this before
2:03:26
Speaker 6: because of sanctions, because of the war against them with Irack, etc.
2:03:29
Speaker 6: So they know how to suffer, and they feel like
2:03:31
Speaker 6: this is an imposed situation. So they'll suffer for a
2:03:34
Speaker 6: long time, I think, longer than we would be able to,
2:03:37
Speaker 6: especially if those blockades remain in effect.
2:03:39
Speaker 1: Well, two components of everyone is against them. Well, with
2:03:42
Speaker 1: the exception of I think what we probably thought, and
2:03:46
Speaker 1: I'm guessing you probably have much better information than me,
2:03:49
Speaker 1: that the regional Arab nations would have come to our
2:03:52
Speaker 1: side and aid and defense, and yet that never happened.
2:03:55
Speaker 1: We've talked about this before, Daniel Davis. They have not
2:03:58
Speaker 1: because they realized that, like trying to send ships through
2:04:01
Speaker 1: the Strait of Horror moves. The minute that something goes
2:04:03
Speaker 1: wrong or they side with the Americans, the Iranians going
2:04:06
Speaker 1: to start launching missiles at them. Like Kuwait received the
2:04:08
Speaker 1: other day. I mean, so they're not they're step they're
2:04:11
Speaker 1: holding back, and I think it seems to me becoming
2:04:14
Speaker 1: more critical of the United States action of this. Do
2:04:16
Speaker 1: the Iranian people along the lines of what you said,
2:04:19
Speaker 1: take inspiration from the failures of both Russia and the
2:04:23
Speaker 1: United States in Afghanistan like Lix and we can hold
2:04:26
Speaker 1: out those people that you know, those two countries were
2:04:28
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan for more than two decades and look who
2:04:30
Speaker 1: had to leave, turning tail and running away without accomplishing anything.
2:04:34
Speaker 1: We the Ruanian people can do that as well.
2:04:38
Speaker 5: Yes they do.
2:04:38
Speaker 6: They actually have sought that example many times because they do.
2:04:43
Speaker 6: They feel like just like the Taliban outlasted us, just
2:04:46
Speaker 6: like the muja Hadeen Alasta, the Soviets, just like the
2:04:50
Speaker 6: continue on with Hezbola, with Hamas and the Houthis have
2:04:54
Speaker 6: they have outlasted everything in the US and Israel has
2:04:56
Speaker 6: brought to bear and they still remained viable. They say
2:04:59
Speaker 6: we can do the same thing because they see the
2:05:02
Speaker 6: resources on our side are are not inexhaustible.
2:05:05
Speaker 5: And the issue especially you point out why the.
2:05:07
Speaker 6: Golf Arab regimes haven't been more active in helping us
2:05:10
Speaker 6: because they realize the same thing I talked about at
2:05:13
Speaker 6: the top of this. They see that there's no military
2:05:15
Speaker 6: solution and we can't knock out their missile capability. Therefore,
2:05:18
Speaker 6: if we go back to war, it's going to get
2:05:20
Speaker 6: even worse because they can't be defended. We couldn't stop
2:05:23
Speaker 6: the missiles from falling on the golf Arab regimes, and
2:05:26
Speaker 6: they wouldn't happen the next time either, and it would
2:05:29
Speaker 6: cause permanent damage instead of the partial damage it has
2:05:31
Speaker 6: so far. So they just want this thing to be
2:05:33
Speaker 6: over and get back to making money and selling oil.
2:05:36
Speaker 1: Well over at this point. I mean, if we just,
2:05:38
Speaker 1: let's say, theoretically pull the plug, or you know, maybe
2:05:41
Speaker 1: it's an election in November and Donald Trump loses the
2:05:43
Speaker 1: House and the Senate, they pass the War Powers resolution
2:05:45
Speaker 1: that says pull the plug completely. That leaves the Iranians
2:05:48
Speaker 1: and control the straight of horror moves, and they're going
2:05:50
Speaker 1: to work that to their advantage, because that's what they're
2:05:52
Speaker 1: trying to do right now. I mean, it's a it's
2:05:54
Speaker 1: obviously we as we in the entire world, have learned
2:05:56
Speaker 1: a vital critical piece of waterway.
2:05:59
Speaker 5: There.
2:06:00
Speaker 6: Well, listen, the Irrintians have been nothing but absolutely consistent
2:06:05
Speaker 6: on this point. They say, we will never ever give
2:06:08
Speaker 6: up control the straight of horor moves. They said, whether
2:06:10
Speaker 6: it's negotiated settlement, whether you walk away, or anything else,
2:06:13
Speaker 6: there is no scenario where we give away control over
2:06:17
Speaker 6: the straight of Horror moves. I mean, they've codified it
2:06:19
Speaker 6: into a system. Now they're working with the country Obama
2:06:23
Speaker 6: because the territorial waters overlap in the middle of the strait.
2:06:26
Speaker 6: So they say, no, that's it, this is just the
2:06:28
Speaker 6: way it's going to be forward, So work it out
2:06:30
Speaker 6: however you want. Now that being said, they still need
2:06:33
Speaker 6: the work to come to an end because they need
2:06:35
Speaker 6: the blockade on their stuff to come off, and so
2:06:37
Speaker 6: they realize they're going to have to negotiate. And this
2:06:40
Speaker 6: morning there's been a lot of statements from Iatola's, from
2:06:43
Speaker 6: several religious leaders and government leaders emphasizing to the people
2:06:46
Speaker 6: this is in Persian saying, hey, look, I know a
2:06:49
Speaker 6: lot of people don't want us to negotiate, but we
2:06:51
Speaker 6: have to because that's just how you manufacture power. It's
2:06:54
Speaker 6: has to be both strength and negotiations.
2:06:57
Speaker 1: We got to do both.
2:06:57
Speaker 6: So even if you may not lock everything we're going
2:07:00
Speaker 6: to have to do it, implying that they're ready to
2:07:02
Speaker 6: make some concessions if they can get the things that
2:07:05
Speaker 6: they have to have to have. But here's the big problem.
2:07:07
Speaker 6: Two of the things they have to have are control
2:07:10
Speaker 6: the straight and that Israel has to stop its war
2:07:12
Speaker 6: against Lebanon. And that seems to be the longest pull
2:07:14
Speaker 6: in the tent.
2:07:16
Speaker 1: Humhm, Well, theoretically, and I appreciate the complications involved in
2:07:22
Speaker 1: this suggestion. Hey, one of my listeners talk about all
2:07:25
Speaker 1: these twenty years supply contract with various countries in the
2:07:27
Speaker 1: Middle East are coming to an end, and these the
2:07:30
Speaker 1: folks that are part of those contracts. The countries that
2:07:33
Speaker 1: want to purchase the oil have obvious options in the
2:07:35
Speaker 1: world to go out, like, for example, the United States,
2:07:38
Speaker 1: who which is a wash in oil. We've now got
2:07:40
Speaker 1: the Venezuela and oil production going on that's going to
2:07:42
Speaker 1: be refined, so that's a source of oil. Are there
2:07:45
Speaker 1: enough alternative sources that we could just say, you know what,
2:07:47
Speaker 1: we've been dealing with this stuff for longer than I've
2:07:49
Speaker 1: been alive, since World War Two. We're just going to
2:07:52
Speaker 1: wash our hands of this. There's enough oil in the
2:07:54
Speaker 1: world this isn't an opac era dominated era. Fine, go ahead,
2:07:58
Speaker 1: you know close the straight up hormone is we don't
2:08:00
Speaker 1: need it.
2:08:02
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a lot of misunderstanding about how the oil
2:08:05
Speaker 6: industry works.
2:08:06
Speaker 1: That is not the case.
2:08:08
Speaker 6: There is not plenty of oil. We are not a
2:08:10
Speaker 6: washingt of oil. Not A lot of people aren't aware.
2:08:12
Speaker 6: We are a net oil importer. So we have to import.
2:08:15
Speaker 6: I want to say it's like three to four million
2:08:16
Speaker 6: barrels a day more than we export because we export
2:08:19
Speaker 6: a lot of things, but we also have to import.
2:08:21
Speaker 6: And you talk about the Venezuelan oil for example, that
2:08:24
Speaker 6: is heavy crew which can only be refined in a
2:08:28
Speaker 6: few places that it can only be turned into certain products.
2:08:30
Speaker 6: We have light sweet crude which can be refined into
2:08:33
Speaker 6: like gasoline, but not into things like diesel, et cetera.
2:08:37
Speaker 1: Jet fuel.
2:08:37
Speaker 6: That's one of the biggest productions out of the Middle
2:08:39
Speaker 6: East that there is in the world. It's a huge
2:08:41
Speaker 6: percentage of.
2:08:42
Speaker 1: It, et cetera.
2:08:43
Speaker 6: So it's not just the total amount of oil, but
2:08:45
Speaker 6: it's what kind of oil and what does it turn
2:08:48
Speaker 6: into that feeds the global economy. And there's so much
2:08:51
Speaker 6: incredible important things out of the gulf itself, like fertilizer
2:08:55
Speaker 6: thirty five percent of it, aluminum, helium, several other things
2:08:59
Speaker 6: that you don't normally think of when you think of
2:09:01
Speaker 6: oil or natural gas, but those things are all blocked off.
2:09:05
Speaker 6: So it is critical and devastating to the global economy.
2:09:08
Speaker 6: Every day this continues to go on.
2:09:10
Speaker 1: Well, that's why I ask you the question, Daniel. I mean,
2:09:12
Speaker 1: I think people think you've made a certain measure of
2:09:14
Speaker 1: credibility beyond me, and it can explain a little bit better.
2:09:17
Speaker 1: It's not just going to be all rainbows and puppy
2:09:20
Speaker 1: dogs and unicors, because we're going to get all these
2:09:21
Speaker 1: oil contracts. Oil is a global market, and even if
2:09:25
Speaker 1: we decide not to do business in the Middle East ourselves,
2:09:27
Speaker 1: the rest of the world has to deal with it,
2:09:29
Speaker 1: and the price of oil will be impacted by the
2:09:32
Speaker 1: global demand and supply. So I hate to have to
2:09:36
Speaker 1: ask this question, where does this leave us, Daniel? Well,
2:09:41
Speaker 1: it leads us.
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Speaker 6: In a position to where, for the first time, I
2:09:45
Speaker 6: think in our lifetimes, we have a major international crisis
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Speaker 6: problem whatever you want to call it, that we cannot
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Speaker 6: solve with our power because we want to just impose
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Speaker 6: our will and say look, either you do this or
2:09:56
Speaker 6: we're going to blow you up. Well, we've tried that,
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Speaker 6: and they can endure that bl up and for the
2:10:01
Speaker 6: first time, they can also fire back in the ways
2:10:03
Speaker 6: that we can't defend against. We've never been in this situation.
2:10:06
Speaker 6: So we're gonna have to either do something. And I
2:10:09
Speaker 6: know a lot of people are gonna hate this. They
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Speaker 6: definitely do in the White House. We're either gonna have
2:10:13
Speaker 6: to concede something to them in order to get something
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Speaker 6: from them, and they're open to that, or we're gonna
2:10:18
Speaker 6: have to just say, all right, we're gonna walk away.
2:10:20
Speaker 6: Because if we said all right, get it, I don't
2:10:22
Speaker 6: care you didn't give me what I wanted, we're gonna go.
2:10:24
Speaker 4: Back to war.
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Speaker 6: Then we're gonna just devastate our economy, the global economy,
2:10:30
Speaker 6: because they have the capacity, beyond our desires, to strike
2:10:34
Speaker 6: back in ways we can't endure. And that's the problem
2:10:37
Speaker 6: that too many, too few people understand. We don't get
2:10:40
Speaker 6: to just call the shots this time. We're gonna have
2:10:42
Speaker 6: to negotiate, and if we want to get something this time,
2:10:45
Speaker 6: we're gonna have to give something.
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Speaker 1: Seems to be a collective failure of the decision makers
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Speaker 1: leading up to this initial attack to contemplate the complexity,
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Speaker 1: or do you think that they actually factored this in
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Speaker 1: the equation and thought that that initial strike on the
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Speaker 1: thirty plus military leaders was going to decapitate the regime
2:11:04
Speaker 1: a la Maduro grossover calculation on that, as it turns out.
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Speaker 1: But are we just being Hindsight's twenty twenty or was
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Speaker 1: this information readily available to the decision viakery It was
2:11:14
Speaker 1: definitely available.
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Speaker 6: I've talked to Joe Knt, who resigned as the number
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Speaker 6: two the od and I the Director of National Intelligence,
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Speaker 6: just a couple of days ago, and reiterate. He reiterated
2:11:23
Speaker 6: that to me, he said, every bit of this was
2:11:27
Speaker 6: leading to us people inside the White House that were
2:11:29
Speaker 6: pleading with the President that it was likely that they
2:11:32
Speaker 6: were going to take the straight of horror moonies, that
2:11:33
Speaker 6: we couldn't knock out their missile factories, and then it
2:11:36
Speaker 6: was going to definitely, you know, harm our national economy
2:11:38
Speaker 6: in ways that we can't rectify easily or quickly, and
2:11:42
Speaker 6: that the people weren't going to rise up against the
2:11:44
Speaker 6: Ietola and the decapitation wasn't going to take out their
2:11:47
Speaker 6: system of government. We told them all of those things
2:11:50
Speaker 6: ahead of time. But there was another group that says, no, no, no,
2:11:52
Speaker 6: they're wrong. Actually it will it'll be like Maduro, It'll
2:11:56
Speaker 6: be like Venezuela. As soon as you take out these guys,
2:11:58
Speaker 6: they'll just fall apart. They've never been more weak than
2:12:00
Speaker 6: they are, and et cetera. Turned out that that was
2:12:02
Speaker 6: actually just a myth and a claim that these people
2:12:05
Speaker 6: who wanted the war were selling it. They were never
2:12:08
Speaker 6: weaker than they had been in all these years. They
2:12:10
Speaker 6: were as strong as they had ever been. It was
2:12:12
Speaker 6: kind of just a normal state. They weren't that week.
2:12:15
Speaker 6: So President Trump was sold to bill of goods by
2:12:17
Speaker 6: a lot of people who should know better, and unfortunately
2:12:20
Speaker 6: he listened to them instead of the group that.
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Speaker 1: I just described. Finding ourselves in a quagmire. Hmm, snafu,
2:12:27
Speaker 1: Charlie fox Trot. Throw it into some category. It's reality. Good,
2:12:34
Speaker 1: it's cold water. We're gonna it's cold water reality, but
2:12:38
Speaker 1: it's reality. Nonetheless, you know, I appreciate you. You're just pointing,
2:12:42
Speaker 1: putting a point on everything and providing us with all
2:12:46
Speaker 1: the information we need to know because we seem to
2:12:48
Speaker 1: be in a very major, major problem. They have to
2:12:50
Speaker 1: put one of the l column Daniel Davis, and I
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Speaker 1: hate to have to say that out loud on a
2:12:53
Speaker 1: two hundred and fiftieth anniversary.
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Speaker 6: You know, like a businessman man, sometimes you got to
2:12:57
Speaker 6: put an L in there. If it's losing proposition, don't
2:13:01
Speaker 6: dig deeper, don't throw more money down the pit, cut
2:13:03
Speaker 6: it off, say it's a bad situation, and move on
2:13:06
Speaker 6: to something else, which we can do.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and looming behind that reality the Sands situation with
2:13:11
Speaker 1: regard to our arms, as you mentioned a moment ago.
2:13:13
Speaker 1: I mean, we have a finite amount of arms. We've
2:13:15
Speaker 1: used a lot of them, and there may be future
2:13:17
Speaker 1: battles to wage, which is problematic for the United States
2:13:20
Speaker 1: of America. Daniel Davis, deep die find your podcast where
2:13:23
Speaker 1: you find him on where you find your podcast. We'll
2:13:26
Speaker 1: do this again next Tuesday. Maybe we'll get some good news.
2:13:28
Speaker 1: I keep saying that, Daniel, but I can like to
2:13:30
Speaker 1: I can hope again.
2:13:31
Speaker 6: No fact that it runs is sand this morning telling
2:13:33
Speaker 6: their people, Hey, we need to have to negotiated settlement
2:13:35
Speaker 6: means that there is a window open there. So maybe
2:13:37
Speaker 6: Nick's Tuesday, we'll.
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Speaker 5: Be able to go through it.
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Speaker 1: Fingers crossed Daniel Davis, thank you so much. Have a
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