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So, You Want To Buy A Pistol ... What's Right For You? · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  Speaker 1: Here we go, third and final hour, at least for today.
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  Speaker 1: Here we are starting the twenty fourth year of The
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  Speaker 1: Morning Show with Preston Scott, and of course we have
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  Speaker 1: with us in studio Charlie Strickland.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, sir, How are you. I'm doing good.
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  Speaker 1: He is the co founder of the Talent Training Group
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  Speaker 1: and of course co host of Talent Outdoors year twenty four.
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  Speaker 1: Can you believe it? Yesterday was our twenty third anniversary
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  Speaker 1: of this silly show. How did we stay on the
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  Speaker 1: air this long?
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  Speaker 2: There's just enough of us out there because, sir, you
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  Speaker 2: have a presence in an air about you that is
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  Speaker 2: just astounding to most of us. We are honored to
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  Speaker 2: be in your presence. Yeah, buddy, you're supposed to pay compliments, right.
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  Speaker 1: I'm supposed to receive it. Thank you for there you go,
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  Speaker 1: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: Don't be self defecatingating.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know you knew about that.
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  Speaker 2: We all want to achieve that.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, we've got a topic to cover here today, so
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  Speaker 1: let me start with this, the decision that someone makes
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  Speaker 1: to either carry concealed or not. You've been at this
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  Speaker 1: a long time, not just from the law enforcement perspective,
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  Speaker 1: and coming across different people, but now more so from
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  Speaker 1: the training side of things, with the range and the
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  Speaker 1: training classes and all that. What do you think needs
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  Speaker 1: to be the most important set of considerations for someone
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  Speaker 1: on that.
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  Speaker 2: Decision whether or not you are willing to use a
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  Speaker 2: firearm and self defense. A lot of people they will
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  Speaker 2: go get guns and they go, I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: I could ever use it, then you probably ought not
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  Speaker 2: have it. And the way you prepare yourself for that
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  Speaker 2: is through situational training, through playing these things over and
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  Speaker 2: over in your mind, trying to get in your minds,
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  Speaker 2: I you know, mental preparation. What set of circumstances would
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  Speaker 2: I use a firearm to defend myself? And a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people think, I'll I'm a big dude, I can fight,
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  Speaker 2: I can do this, I can do that, or I'm
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  Speaker 2: a martial artist, or I'm whatever, well, okay, whatever, But ultimately,
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  Speaker 2: what if that doesn't work, or what if you're not
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  Speaker 2: as good as you think you are, which, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we get, you know, as we get older, we kind
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  Speaker 2: of get this old man's strength, and I think that
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  Speaker 2: comes from just a life of pent up anger and uh,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, what are you capable of doing?
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  Speaker 1: It.
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  Speaker 2: It's at this point in my life. Yeah, I'm a
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  Speaker 2: bit overweight, and I'm fifty eight years old, and and
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  Speaker 2: you know, parts of me, backs and joints and things
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  Speaker 2: don't work like they used to. And if I got
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  Speaker 2: in an actual knockdown, drag out fight with someone who
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  Speaker 2: was my match or even less or so, I could
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  Speaker 2: do permanently injured. And do I really want to go
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  Speaker 2: down that road? So I get away. I'll get away
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  Speaker 2: from that type of situation. However, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: back down if I'm defending someone else, my family or others.
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  Speaker 2: So what am I going to do? So if you're
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  Speaker 2: trying to make a decision, then make sure that you
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  Speaker 2: know that line, or you know a class of lines
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  Speaker 2: that you might have to cross, and be willing to
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  Speaker 2: cross it. If you're not willing to do that, then
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  Speaker 2: you want to. You don't want to arm yourself because
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  Speaker 2: you could and gun owners, you know, gun rights advocates.
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  Speaker 2: I hate to hear this, but you may be arming
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  Speaker 2: the other person. Some people don't need to carry a firearm.
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  Speaker 2: Some people aren't capable of it. They're not capable of
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  Speaker 2: physically operating the firearm because they just are either too weak,
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  Speaker 2: too old, not mechanically inclined enough. Even with all the
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  Speaker 2: training in the world, you may reach a point where
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  Speaker 2: you just go, this is not right for me. That's
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  Speaker 2: a personal decision. We will do everything we can to
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  Speaker 2: try you to that point. However, you know, sometimes you
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  Speaker 2: just get there. I know people like this. I've trained
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  Speaker 2: people like this. At the end of the day, I go,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest with you, this is really not
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  Speaker 2: the thing for you.
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  Speaker 1: You know, how often have you said that.
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  Speaker 2: In all well, I'll be honest, in thirty something years
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  Speaker 2: of training, probably five or six times. It's just not
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  Speaker 2: that often. And typically it's because a combination of age
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  Speaker 2: and inability to grasp the concept involved in actually operating
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  Speaker 2: a firearm, and not a not a good grasp for
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  Speaker 2: the gravity of what that thing can do. Some people
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  Speaker 2: just halphazardly, you know, handle things, and they just don't
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  Speaker 2: treat it with the respect that it's due. Those people
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  Speaker 2: don't need to own guns now, you know, last resort,
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  Speaker 2: you've got one into locked up in the house and
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  Speaker 2: somebody comes in. You know, maybe they can operate it
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  Speaker 2: well enough, but they don't need to have it. They
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  Speaker 2: don't need to be handling around their family. I mean
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  Speaker 2: I run into those people. I say, you're more of
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  Speaker 2: a danger to yourself and others with this thing than
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  Speaker 2: then the likelihood that something might occur where you might
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  Speaker 2: need it. I mean, you know, it's life's of gamble.
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  Speaker 2: I just tend to stack the deck in my favor.
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  Speaker 1: Talonarrange dot com. You want to get some training, you
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  Speaker 1: want to learn more about how to properly use a firearm,
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  Speaker 1: That's where you go to get some great training. All right,
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  Speaker 1: this might be the dumbest of all questions, but that's
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  Speaker 1: what I get paid to do, is ask these types
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  Speaker 1: of things.
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  Speaker 2: There's no such thing as a stupid weather.
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  Speaker 1: Is I know where that's going. It's almost a chicken
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  Speaker 1: in the egg question. What matters more the choice of
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  Speaker 1: ammo that one decides to settle on or the gun.
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  Speaker 2: By far, the gun ammo is amo. It all pokes,
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  Speaker 2: holds all the point self defense ammunition. Any one of
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  Speaker 2: those rounds out there for the most most In most ways,
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  Speaker 2: they're the same. I mean, there are bonded rounds, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, there's all kinds of different things that you
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  Speaker 2: can get holes of holes, a hole being able to
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  Speaker 2: find a firearm that you will actually carry, that's comfortable,
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  Speaker 2: that's functional for you, that you can use, you can
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  Speaker 2: use under stress, and not forget to flip some little
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  Speaker 2: safety you can't hardly move with your fingernail because you've
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  Speaker 2: got the wrong gun and the wrong safety set up.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like safeties at all. External safeties are in
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  Speaker 2: my mind, not a good idea unless you're in an
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  Speaker 2: old school nineteen eleven or something. But selecting the correct firearm,
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  Speaker 2: one that has the capacity and the accuracy and the
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  Speaker 2: comfort and the functionality and a comfortable enough grip to
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  Speaker 2: where you will shoot it but still can carry it
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  Speaker 2: is by far more important than what type or brand
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  Speaker 2: or style of ammunition. I mean, I like a halopoint ammunition.
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  Speaker 2: But if you're carrying ball, you know, full metal jacket,
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  Speaker 2: the one with no hole in the tip of it. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I mean it works, it's just not. I mean that's
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  Speaker 2: what NATO cause makes you carry, you know, your worst
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  Speaker 2: your NATO rounds or full metal jacket. That's what the
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  Speaker 2: military carries, law enforcement carries Holow points because they're more effective.
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  Speaker 1: Are there safe And obviously we're talking about the need
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  Speaker 1: to defend yourself against a bad person in a bad situation.
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  Speaker 1: But there are safety considerations for why hollow points are safer.
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  Speaker 2: In certain situation. Well, okay, so a higher velocity full
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  Speaker 2: metal jacket round is more likely to overpenetrate either a
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  Speaker 2: person and go through a person or a wall, because
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  Speaker 2: you know, you think of a hollow point round as
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  Speaker 2: kind of like a parachute when you fire it. When
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  Speaker 2: it hits something fluid or even solid, then it's like
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  Speaker 2: opening a parachute that spreads open and it goes from
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  Speaker 2: say a nine millimetersero point three five five inches that's
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  Speaker 2: the caliber. Okay, so when it hits it opens up
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  Speaker 2: to around sixty five or seventy caliber, so it's about
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  Speaker 2: sixty something I think, And so when it opens up,
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  Speaker 2: it meets more resistance and that shock, that force slows
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  Speaker 2: it down. And with a full metal jacket, it just
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  Speaker 2: continues to poke the same size hole all the way through.
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  Speaker 2: There's a temporary one cavity, permanent win caravity, all that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: But the fact is is that you know ball ammunition,
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  Speaker 2: which we commonly call full metal jacket or total metal jacket,
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  Speaker 2: it could overpenetrate. Something to think about, but you should
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  Speaker 2: always be thinking about your target, backstopping beyond and where
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  Speaker 2: you're shooting. But sometimes you don't have.
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  Speaker 1: That luxury small, medium and large.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. First off, let me clarify something you said before
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  Speaker 2: I got here. I was not speeding on the.
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  Speaker 1: Way here too, I said he might be.
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  Speaker 2: And you're talking about me flipping out of badge and
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  Speaker 2: get out of a speeding ticket.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna get so indignant about this. Do you speed? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so why but but I keep it at a
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  Speaker 2: at a level that I know I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: get a ticket.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. I didn't know how far away you were when
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  Speaker 1: you said on the way. I'm thinking you just left.
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  Speaker 1: I know how long it takes to get it.
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  Speaker 2: And wants you to be concerned. I was already halfway
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  Speaker 2: here when I sent that to you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, fair enough.
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  Speaker 2: Just you know, because I know you start, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you start teasing, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But you know the you know, the thought that most
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  Speaker 1: people have is nine miles per hour on the interstate
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  Speaker 1: is safe? Is that true?
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  Speaker 2: That's about right? I don't, I don't, I don't think.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think most of it has to be you'd
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  Speaker 2: have to be a jerk to write a ticket for
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  Speaker 2: for that, anything less than that, I mean, you'd have
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  Speaker 2: to upset somebody to get it ticket underneath that.
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  Speaker 1: But for most, you know, county troopers, because you're generally
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  Speaker 1: not dealing with city police. When it comes to the interstate,
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  Speaker 1: it's FHP and a county trooper or a county deputy
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  Speaker 1: is double digits, that magic number. You start paying more
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  Speaker 1: attention at eighty plus.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean in my history as a former traffic
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  Speaker 2: cop and you know, deputy sheriff, I wouldn't. I never
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  Speaker 2: stopped anybody for less than ten over. Yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 2: because I just you know, yes, I know how fast
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  Speaker 2: they would going. A lot of times we're just watching
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  Speaker 2: and we're making judgments. You know, obviously that person speeding,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not there's no there's no number you have
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  Speaker 2: to meet. So you know, if you get stopped, don't
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  Speaker 2: get all indignant because that might get you a ticket. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and you know it's so you keep it under ten over. Now,
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  Speaker 2: if you're in a twenty five, going thirty five is
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  Speaker 2: not cool. So it's more of a percentage than it
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  Speaker 2: is in there in it's up to the individual officers
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  Speaker 2: discretion and judgment based on the circumstances. They look at
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  Speaker 2: a totality of circumstances. There's the kids, and you look
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  Speaker 2: at a lot of different things. You get up on
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  Speaker 2: the interstate. Troopers got better things to do to stop somebody.
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  Speaker 2: If they were stopping everybody, it's going nine ten over,
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  Speaker 2: they'd be stopping everybody exactly. And so, uh, which the
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  Speaker 2: minute you said that, I saw three troopers. I'm listening
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  Speaker 2: to you, and then I'm like, okay, there's one when
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  Speaker 2: somebody pulled over, there's another one off ramp, there's another
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  Speaker 2: one there, and I'm like, setting me up. You have
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  Speaker 2: setting back up?
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  Speaker 1: He said when he walked in here, you're gonna get
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  Speaker 1: me a ticket next time?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, and you were like, well, what carries more weight?
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  Speaker 1: The badge.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I'm not showing my badge to anybody. I still
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  Speaker 2: don't have one. I'm not showing the badge. I I
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  Speaker 2: just talked to you know. Let's see, I've been stopped
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  Speaker 2: for speeding knock on wood once in the last ten years,
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  Speaker 2: and that was in Marianna. It was a city officer.
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  Speaker 2: And the minute I started talking, he went, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 2: you you in law enforcement. I said, I have been
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  Speaker 2: known to be and he goes and I told him
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  Speaker 2: who I was, just my name. I didn't tell him
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  Speaker 2: and he was like telling out doors, I appreciate you.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate everything you do and all that I'm I
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  Speaker 2: don't thank you, you know, so no I'm not. I
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  Speaker 2: hated hated it, hated it, hated it. When somebody would
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  Speaker 2: you know who I am?
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  Speaker 1: Or well, yeah, now a professional through.
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  Speaker 2: My letting them know that I have guns out the
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  Speaker 2: wazoo and the vehicle, sure, they tend to figure out
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  Speaker 2: who I am. Yeah, and it's up to them at
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  Speaker 2: that point in time if they want to do whatever
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  Speaker 2: they want to do.
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  Speaker 1: What do you say, since we have two minutes left
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  Speaker 1: in the segment, we use that as the springboard. Since
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  Speaker 1: I have so many guns in the vehicle, let's get
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  Speaker 1: back to guns for just a second.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's do that.
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  Speaker 1: We just got two minutes left in the segment.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if you quit talking and asked the question, then
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  Speaker 2: I'll start talking about it. Do you want to go
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  Speaker 2: back to small medium of large guns? Right?
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  Speaker 1: What's the smallest acceptable self defense firearm?
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  Speaker 2: A three for a pocket guns? A little smithing with
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  Speaker 2: some bodyguard to Ruger l CP two. I like the
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  Speaker 2: newer versions because they have higher capacity. Something. Now, keep
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  Speaker 2: in mind, these things have terrible sights, and they're hard
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  Speaker 2: to hit anything past about five six yards away. But
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  Speaker 2: they fit in a pocket or a purse or something small,
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  Speaker 2: and they are competent in a three eighty caliber. Thirty
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  Speaker 2: two is not bad. But you don't see those anymore,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Now, how much does that factor in? Just and not
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  Speaker 1: just that you don't see them, but just the availability
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  Speaker 1: of ammunition.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big deal. You can get three eighty,
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  Speaker 2: it's more expensive. I like nine millimeter all the way around.
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  Speaker 2: I like my big guns and nine. I like my
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  Speaker 2: small guns in nine. If I can't carry it, it's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be. If I carry it's gonna be a nine millimeter.
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  Speaker 2: I may carry it at l CP two or something
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  Speaker 2: once in a blue moon, once in a great while,
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  Speaker 2: if I'm dressed up real nice, which never happens, but
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  Speaker 2: I honestly.
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  Speaker 1: And an LCP two is little three eighty ruger. They
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  Speaker 1: also make it twenty two.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't care you twenty two for self
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  Speaker 2: defense because you've got to shoot them in the eyeballer
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  Speaker 2: in the ear too for it to be effective. You know,
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  Speaker 2: unless you're anticipating on the bang scaring them off. If
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  Speaker 2: someone is actively attacking you and they're motivated, particularly for
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  Speaker 2: drug to twenty two to the torso is not going to.
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  Speaker 1: Be Now, you've got to be above the neck, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that.
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  Speaker 2: And most people don't have the skill set or the
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  Speaker 2: mindset either make that shot or do something that aggressive,
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  Speaker 2: because that's not just shooting at someone that is shooting
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  Speaker 2: in the face or the head is something that takes
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  Speaker 2: a different level of being messed up for you to
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  Speaker 2: do that. I mean, it's that's that's a tough one.
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  Speaker 1: Back and on time thirty five minutes past the hour,
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  Speaker 1: Charlie Strickland with me from the Talent Training Group. We're
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  Speaker 1: talking pistols and the different kinds of calibers and the
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  Speaker 1: pros and cons. Let's talk the differences between a three
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  Speaker 1: eighty and a nine millimeter pros and con What distinguishes
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  Speaker 1: one from the other. Four an average person considering concealed carry.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, first off, ballistically, three eighty is probably the smallest caliber.
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  Speaker 2: It's the same caliber as a nine millimeter point three
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  Speaker 2: point three eight, zero point three, five five and a
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  Speaker 2: nine it's they're basically the same bullet, one is traveling,
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  Speaker 2: one is a little lighter than the other. Typically, your
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  Speaker 2: three eighties tend to be a little lighter weight than
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  Speaker 2: your nine millimeter bullets, and the nine millimeters traveling at
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  Speaker 2: a higher velocity, So you've got a good bit more
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  Speaker 2: energy in and a better terminal performance in the nine
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  Speaker 2: milimeter than you would in at three eighty. However, three
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  Speaker 2: eighty in ballistic gelatine tests shows that it's pretty competent.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't penetrate as much as a nine millimeter, it's
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  Speaker 2: not as good around as a nine millimeter. But JD
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  Speaker 2: and I talked about this all the time. We're fairly
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  Speaker 2: confident in three eighty to where I would put my
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  Speaker 2: mother and my stepmom, and that's what they have. That's
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  Speaker 2: what I bought them, was Smith and Whists an easy
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  Speaker 2: three eighty something that's lighter recoiling. Now, the felt recoil
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  Speaker 2: is not drastically less than a nine milli later, but
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  Speaker 2: the three eighties do come in a little bit smaller
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  Speaker 2: package because they don't have to have as much weight
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  Speaker 2: in the slide. They don't have to have this stuff
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  Speaker 2: of recoil spring guides things like that can be a
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  Speaker 2: little eaite. That's sort of pistols in certain medium sized
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  Speaker 2: pistols can be easier to operate the net. Smith and
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  Speaker 2: Wesson is one of them. They've got a new series
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  Speaker 2: out anyway. Long story short, I wouldn't go any lighter
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  Speaker 2: than a three eighty. My preference is nine millimeter and
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  Speaker 2: for small, medium, large, all of it. Because it's consistent
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  Speaker 2: and it performs well. You can shoot a forty five ACP.
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  Speaker 2: We trained at Sheriff's office years ago. We put everybody
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  Speaker 2: sheriff Campbell hat to put everybody into forty five ACP,
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  Speaker 2: and everybody qualified with it, and it was not that
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  Speaker 2: big a deal. However, group sizes shrink with a nine
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  Speaker 2: millimeter because people don't sense the felt recoil quite as much.
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  Speaker 2: But you don't want to carry a you know, depend
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  Speaker 2: on who you are. You don't really want to carry
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  Speaker 2: a compact, heavier caliber weapon just because or pistol just
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  Speaker 2: because you know it does tend to recoil a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more. It can be a little uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 1: What type of person should even consider a full size
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  Speaker 1: nine millimeter or full size forty five.
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  Speaker 2: Someone that's going to keep it in a console or
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: a home defense type situation, probably not carrying it. I
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: am fully capable of carrying a full size pistol of
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: any brand. I can carry it on me and conceal
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: it on me because I'm a big dude, all right.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: I can do that. And my clothing choice tends to lend,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: you know, favor to that type of carry.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: But I don't.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: I carry a mid size. I carry a block forty eight.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: I get the shield magazines, which is a double stack
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: higher capacity magazines. I'm carrying fifteen plus one rounds and
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: a single stack pistol. Basically that's very thin size of
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: a nineteen eleven. But it's a glock and it's what
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: I'm comfortable carrying. I have all the ammunition that I
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: feel like I can reasonably carry on me. Full size
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: capacity in a mid sized pistol out of forty three
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: X is the same thing. There are a lot of
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: guns when you get into that the specifics. Mostly it's
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: what do you enjoy shooting, and I like to shoot glocks.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: There's a whole bunch of them out there, the three
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: sixty five's and the SIGs, the shields and the smiths.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: There's so many different things out there. Gut. I think
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Mosburg is making pistol. Now, everybody's making pistols because in
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: polymer pistols, which are all just yeah, versions of the
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: you know, the glock. Yeah. I look at stuff at
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: the trade show and I go, is that another Glock
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: clon to go? Well, no, it's different. I look at
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: it at nine. That's another Glock CLANB. And everybody's trying
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: to be like Glock because Glock came out first. But
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: that's not to say they're not good guns, because there's
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: a lot of really good guns on the market. What
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I look at when I'm buying a gun is can
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: I find a holster? Is it something that I can
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: shoot without being terribly uncomfortable? Can I get accessories? Do
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: I want to put sights on it? Do I want
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: to put lights on it? Do those things available for
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: that particular pistol, Because a lot of times the accessory
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: availability is very difficult for some of the one off pistols.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Just you spend a little bit of money on a
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: gun you kind of try to get off cheap, you
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: can't find anything for it.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Charlie Strickland back with me from the Talent Training Group
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: and we're talking personal defense, and we're talking about considerations
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: for pistols. You mentioned sites, red dots and so forth.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about that for just a second. Not all
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: red dots are made the same.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: No matter of fact. We had we had some pistols
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: come into shop and that came through our other facilities.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: So I know they're not in a listening audience. The well,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: they could be streaming, but I doubt it. Somebody sent
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: some guns in and hey, I want to put these
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: optics on it, and we need you to machine the
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: slides and do this and do that. And Uh, through
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: our conversations we're able to talk him up from the
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: sites that he provided, which came off of some jankie
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: site that I'd never heard of this brand. And I said,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: if you're gonna miss you're gonna machine this to fit this,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: why don't we go with something. So we had twist's
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: elbow a little bit, but UH got got him into
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: some at least some some holl of Sun, which you
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: know they have some customer service issues here and there.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: We have an experience and we actually have a lot
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: of a lot of positive positivity when it comes to
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: holl of Sun, the brand but then there's there's all
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: kinds of tragic con there's this, there's there's all kinds
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: of different name brands, and you know, people go, but
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: which one should I buy? I said, well, let's see
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: which fits yours to Let's see, you know what, do
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: you have a brand preference? You know, go into any
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: place that sells quality products and see what they offer.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Is there a way for a late person to know
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: whether a red dot is quality or not?
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: A lot of it boils down how much money you're spending.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: But I would go.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I go and I look at I Google,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: look at online reviews of these products, because you know,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: you have all this, you have all the knowledge in
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: the world in your smartphone now. And I go out
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: and I do the research, and I see how many
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: complaints run. I go to some of the websites that
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: sell them and just see what the reviews are on them,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: and filter out to ones where they're complaining about customer
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: service or shipping and all that, and just look at
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: the product itself. We put him in a little SCS
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: holl of Sun which has the green circle with their
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: green dot in the middle, and it's low profile, so
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: you can co witness the factory sites and still so
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: you can see the factory sites still so if for
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: some reason site quit working. Now this has a little
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: solar panel on it in the whole nine yards, so
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: it's green in more ways than one. Yeah, green energy,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: look at green.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Lasers and I know that's important.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah really and uh so, I mean so there's so
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: go to a counter and talk to somebody that seems
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: to know what they're talking about. But I would go
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: online and I'd research it. I mean, and if you're
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: looking at lights to mount on one, well, first off,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: your gun has to have a rail set that you
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: can mount a light on it.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question about that? Real quick?
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Sure shot.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing that we were talking about putting a light
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: on a gun you're not necessarily carrying, but one that
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: you have at home.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: There are there are small lights that will mount on pistols,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: and you can have a custom holster built that will accept,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: or you can buy certain holsters that will accept certain
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: lights on certain pistols.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Do you like a Strobe setting or steady light?
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I don't. I alwaysh they'd never made Strobe crap on
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: a go light. I remember going.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: To the shot disorienting to a bad person.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: So they sat me. I went into shrefire booth one
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: year at shot Show and they say, hey, man, you're
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: a cop. Yeah, I'm a white team lit A. You
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: got to come in here and try this thing. This
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: flashlight has a strobe feature. See if you click it
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: one time, it's on right, and then if you double
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: click it, which is like under stress on the double
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: clicking something. They double click it and sit down here
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: in this dark tent and we're gonna and he shine
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: this strobe thing in my face and yeah, that's bright,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: and you go, see how disorienting it is. I said, yeah,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to shoot towards the flashing light instead
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: of the solid light. Now he goes, so, what does
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: make you feel dizzy or queasy? I went, no, it
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: ticks me off because you're shining a flashlight in my
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: face and you just told me something was going to
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: make me feel quick and it didn't. And so there's
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: a whole and I said, for another time, but there's
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: a whole concept around how to properly use flashlights. And
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: this strobe thing is I mean, okay, it's cool, but
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: I mean it's just some fancy way of selling you
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: something you can do the same. You can have the
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: same thing with buy is pushing having a rear tail
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: cap activated button and just pressing it multiple times. And
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: there's different ways to paint with light as opposed to strobing.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: And but that's where a light not mounted to a
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: gun though, right, Yeah.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: That's a hangout light on a on a or a
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: handheld light, and a weapon mounted light is not one
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: that I like to use as a primary light. It's
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: because I need to put both hands on the gun
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: and see what I'm shooting at or aiming at or
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: but I don't like to clear with one because I
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: might end up pointing in order to see the corner. Yeah,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: I'm a point a gun at my kid in the
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: house or something because I'm trying to see. I mean,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: it's it's it is a tool, but is to me,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: a weapon mounted light is supplemental. It is not my
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: primary source of elimination in the dark.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Good stuff today, Thanks for coming in, Yes, sir, Charlie
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Strickland with us from the Talent Training Group. Remember you
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: can catch them on the weekends on Saturdays. Talent Outdoors