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The Found Lost Episode (Not Really) · Large Nerdron Collider

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Speaker 1: Hey, y'all, it's Jonathan. Before we jump into this episode.
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Speaker 1: It was recorded almost a week ago and has been
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Speaker 1: waiting to debut ever since. And this is all on me.
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Speaker 1: This wasn't a planned thing, just because I got overwhelmed
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Speaker 1: with lots of stuff and didn't have the mental energy
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Speaker 1: to edit and then publish this episode. Now, what this
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Speaker 1: means is you're actually going to get two episodes in
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Speaker 1: a very short time frame, one that was from a
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Speaker 1: week ago and one that is much more recent. For example,
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Speaker 1: in this episode, I believe we chat a little bit
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Speaker 1: about whether or not sag Aftra could potentially strike. They
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Speaker 1: voted in favor of a strike, not meaning that they
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Speaker 1: are going to strike, but that option is available to them.
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Speaker 1: In fact, it was an overwhelming vote for that. So
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Speaker 1: that's just one example of some outdated information that we
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Speaker 1: chat about in this episode. So I apologize for that.
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Speaker 1: That is again completely on me, and I wanted to
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Speaker 1: try and get this episode out to everybody, even though
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Speaker 1: it's a bit late, and even though we're gonna be
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Speaker 1: publishing another one shortly thereafter. But yeah, we had some
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Speaker 1: good conversations, so I definitely wanted to include it. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: that's enough hemming and haweing. Let's get to this very
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Speaker 1: overdue episode.
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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to the Larger Drun Collider podcast, the
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Speaker 2: podcast that's all about the geeky things happening in the
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Speaker 2: world around us and how very excited we are about them.
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Speaker 2: I'm Aerial cast in and with me as always is
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Speaker 2: the Sunday Fun Day.
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Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland, Life and Plastic. It's fantastic.
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Speaker 2: It's fantastic. We don't have to pay royalties for saying that, Dewey.
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Speaker 1: I think. I think as long as we don't sing it,
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Speaker 1: we should be fun, all right.
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Speaker 2: Also, they probably felt underneath the time limit allowed.
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Speaker 1: Fun fact, there is there is no such thing as
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Speaker 1: a time limit for copyright. It's just that that technically
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Speaker 1: under fair use that the more you use an of
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Speaker 1: an original work, the less likely your argument of fair
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Speaker 1: use will hold up in court. But there is no
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Speaker 1: there is no U you know, cut off like you
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Speaker 1: people say, oh, I only use five seconds. Well guess
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Speaker 1: what doesn't matter. A court could still find you guilty
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Speaker 1: of copyright infringement. It's fun to not have actual guidelines.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know what. Sometimes I'm like, I want
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Speaker 2: to post this thing on TikTok can I it's really
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Speaker 2: hard to find the actual rules and regulations.
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Speaker 1: Yeah well, and because like no, please go ahead, okay,
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Speaker 1: I will. And on top of that, like like on YouTube,
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Speaker 1: usually the worst thing that happens is you'll your monetization
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Speaker 1: will get struck and it'll go to whomever owns the
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Speaker 1: copyright to the work you were referencing or using. And
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Speaker 1: that's the worst of it, which can be bad if
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Speaker 1: you're depending on YouTube for your livelihood. But the other places,
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Speaker 1: like I don't know how litigious people get.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, like it. It's interesting because my band does
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Speaker 2: a few covers of songs, and like I would never
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Speaker 2: post an exact cover that we just do for fun
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Speaker 2: for friends, right, But some of the things we work
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Speaker 2: up pretty differently. And I'm like, I'd love to share
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Speaker 2: a little snippet of this on YouTube because it's awesome.
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Speaker 2: And I don't know if I need to ask permission.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if I need to pay royalties, Like
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Speaker 2: I don't mind giving giving the money to the people
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Speaker 2: who have earned it, you know, like I'm using somebody
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Speaker 2: else's work. I'm an actor, so I believed in getting
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Speaker 2: paid for your art. But it's hard to even find
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Speaker 2: like what to do, to do it, where to do it.
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Speaker 2: So many people on TikTok post covers all the time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, that most of them don't actually deal with
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Speaker 2: royalties or getting permission or anything like that.
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Speaker 1: Well, and on TikTok, you know, it's hard to get
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Speaker 1: direct payment. Like you, there is a little bit of
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Speaker 1: ad revenue stuff going on on TikTok, but mostly it's
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Speaker 1: like you land a deal with a sponsor. Or. You're
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Speaker 1: using TikTok to get noticed enough to become an influencer
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Speaker 1: and get paid to you know, shill for a company.
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Speaker 1: So it's not quite the same as on YouTube. I
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Speaker 1: will say that parody is protected under fair use. However,
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Speaker 1: parody has a specific definition too, and typically whatever you
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Speaker 1: are parodying, the work you're doing needs to somehow comment
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Speaker 1: on the original work, which is why I often find
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Speaker 1: it funny when people talk about weird Al Yankovic, the
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Speaker 1: fact that he doesn't nes necessarily need to get permission
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Speaker 1: from the artists whom he parodies. He kind of does
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Speaker 1: because most of the time his parodies aren't commenting on
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Speaker 1: the original work. They're set to the same music and
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Speaker 1: some of the lyrics might have, you know, a structure
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Speaker 1: that's similar to the original song, but only in a
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Speaker 1: few instances, like smells like Teen's Spirit. Is he directly
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Speaker 1: commenting on the original work, and therefore under US copyright law,
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Speaker 1: that wouldn't that would not count as parody except in those,
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Speaker 1: you know instances like smells like teen Spirit so or
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Speaker 1: smells like Nirvana. So yeah, it's it's a complicated thing,
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Speaker 1: and the worst thing about it is these these things
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Speaker 1: get decided in court. So by that point it's already
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Speaker 1: like you are beyond where you want to be. If
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Speaker 1: you're in a courtroom, that's you don't want to be there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and this has been your law time education corner.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Not how expected to start this off?
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean like copyright law has a big it
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Speaker 1: plays a big part in the geek sphere, honestly, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: in lots of ways, because like you say, Ariel, like
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Speaker 1: there's there are fandoms out there that do their own
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Speaker 1: versions of stuff. I mean, heck, there there were those
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Speaker 1: kids who remade Indiana Jones and the Raiders the Lost
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Speaker 1: Arc in their backyard when they were kids. Like, there
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Speaker 1: are people who do these things, and it's through the
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Speaker 1: genuine love they bear for these geek properties. It doesn't
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Speaker 1: necessarily mean that it's one legal or one percent free
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Speaker 1: from copyright infringement. But depending upon the case, you might
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Speaker 1: not have anyone come after you, because, like if Spielberg
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Speaker 1: went after a bunch of kids, that would not look
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Speaker 1: good on Spielberg's part.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, I agree. And it's even harder,
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Speaker 2: especially on things like TikTok, which I know you aren't
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Speaker 2: really on where in some of these other platforms where
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Speaker 2: some artists encourage people to use their music, it's that
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Speaker 2: whole I'd rather get it out there so more people
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Speaker 2: want to I honestly don't know how that business model works,
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Speaker 2: but I know that there are a lot of artists
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Speaker 2: like Megan Trainor who love it when people do stuff
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Speaker 2: to her music and they don't need permission to use
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Speaker 2: her music or cover it because it gives her more
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Speaker 2: exposure exposure. But yeah, just figuring that out is is hard.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, hard, It is hard, and that's why we're.
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Speaker 2: I have not rich enough to make you get a
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Speaker 2: lawyer for it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but we're here to answer the hard questions,
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Speaker 1: and some questions aren't as hard as others, and when
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Speaker 1: those questions aren't too hard, we stick them in thirty
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Speaker 1: seconds or less.
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Speaker 2: I like that, segwe Jonathan.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, and we're going to get started now. On Wednesdays,
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Speaker 1: we paint pink unless some jerk has bought all the
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Speaker 1: pink paint in the world. That's kind of what happened
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Speaker 1: with the film Barbie, according to set production designer Sarah Greenwood.
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Speaker 1: She says, in the process of making Barbie's Dream World,
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Speaker 1: the crew used a lot of scenic pink paint from
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Speaker 1: the company Roscoe, so much that created a temporary worldwide shortage.
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Speaker 1: Might I suggest blue.
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Speaker 2: That's actually a yes? And from when Farskate made Peacekeeper
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Speaker 2: Wars and I heard that they made Australia run out
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Speaker 2: of explosives empyrotechnics. Okay, fun fun fact. Next, How to
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Speaker 2: Train Your Dragon. If you have been listening to the
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Speaker 2: show for a while, you probably heard us mention that
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Speaker 2: they were DreamWorks Animation was looking at making a live
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Speaker 2: action How to Train Your Dragon and trying to figure
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Speaker 2: out how to make the dragons look both lovable and
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Speaker 2: realistic in not a creepy Uncanny Valley way. Well, I
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Speaker 2: don't know if they've done that, but they have cast
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Speaker 2: their main two characters, Hiccup and Astrid. Hiccup is being
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Speaker 2: played by Mason Thames, who was most recently in The
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Speaker 2: Black Phone, or at least recently, and Astrod is being
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Speaker 2: played by Nico Parker, who was in fact in season
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Speaker 2: one of the Last of Us. I think it's great
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Speaker 2: casting and I look forward to hearing more about this thing.
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Speaker 1: Excellent. Yeah, you know, I just watched The Black Phone.
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Speaker 1: That is a very difficult watch. Okay, good to know,
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Speaker 1: good to know going on to the next one. It's
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Speaker 1: so hard to say goodbye, so let's not That's what
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Speaker 1: Lionsgate is saying to the john Wick franchise. During an
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Speaker 1: earnings call, chairperson Joe Drake said, among other things, quote
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Speaker 1: when that five movie comes, it will be organic. End
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Speaker 1: the quote. Well, that definitely suggests a fifth john Wick movie,
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Speaker 1: and if you saw the fourth one, you'll no, it'll
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Speaker 1: require some interesting story gymnastics to make it happen. Keanu
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Speaker 1: is reportedly open to it if the story is right.
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Speaker 2: I think that's a good mindset if you're going to
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Speaker 2: continue it. I haven't seen the last one. There's no
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Speaker 2: good segue into this Pathfinder is making a Diablo esque
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Speaker 2: hack and slash action RPG video game right now, Pathfinder
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Speaker 2: Abomination Vaults is on Kickstarter and it will come to Steam.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, it's it's pretty much Pathfinder Diablo for That's
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Speaker 2: all I got to say about.
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Speaker 1: It, all right, Well, Disney recently held a round of layoffs,
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Speaker 1: one of a couple of big rounds to hit this year,
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Speaker 1: and among those let go was the person responsible for
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Speaker 1: saving Toy Story two from certain death. So the story
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Speaker 1: goes that a Pixar staff member accidentally deleted the files
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Speaker 1: to to Toy Story two when in development, but technical
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Speaker 1: director Galen Susman happened to have a backup copy due
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Speaker 1: to working remotely. Now Susman has been let go, and
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Speaker 1: I think that deserves a very sad Sarah McLaughlin song
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Speaker 1: that'll make us all cry.
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Speaker 2: I'm crying right now. More Diablo news, because I had
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Speaker 2: more to say about Diablo, just not about the Pathfinder version.
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Speaker 2: There are being held hardcore victory contests for Diablo for
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Speaker 2: where the first one thousand players who reach level one
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Speaker 2: hundred on hardcore will get their names on an in
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Speaker 2: game statue. If you recall from a previous episode. Hardcore
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Speaker 2: mode in the Blizzard world is where you like Herma
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Speaker 2: death when you die. And if you've played previous versions
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Speaker 2: of Diablo, yes, there can be strategy, but most people
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Speaker 2: I know, like me, play it where you just run
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Speaker 2: around and hack things and then die, and then hack
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Speaker 2: things and then die, and it's just kind of a
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Speaker 2: chaotic free for all.
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Speaker 1: I still am convinced that Diablo was created in concert
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Speaker 1: with computer mouse manufacturers, because you wear out the buttons
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Speaker 1: so fast on that darn game. Okay, Across the Spider
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Speaker 1: Verse is going very well in theaters right now, and
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Speaker 1: Sony is paying attention. Sony Repsy indicated that the company
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Speaker 1: is playing to bring a Miles Morales live action film
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Speaker 1: to screens in the future, as well as a Spider
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Speaker 1: Woman film as part of the extended Spider Verse at Sony,
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Speaker 1: you know, the one that doesn't appear to actually have
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Speaker 1: Spider Man in it very much. This is very early,
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Speaker 1: so not many details yet, although Hailey Steinfeld is rumored
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Speaker 1: to be considered for Spider Woman, which means she'd be
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Speaker 1: playing two characters in the MCU slash Spider Verse.
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Speaker 2: I'm as excited for this next news article as I
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Speaker 2: am for Spider Man Across the Universe which I haven't
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Speaker 2: seen yet, which is that the New York City Center
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Speaker 2: has announced its upcoming season for their Encore series, which
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Speaker 2: starts off with not including their current like fundraiser that's
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Speaker 2: at the end of the year, Once Upon a Mattress
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Speaker 2: starring Sutton Foster, who is Princess Fiona in the original
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Speaker 2: Shrek the Musical, which she's amazing. She's playing Princess Winnifred.
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Speaker 2: If you don't know, once Upon a Mattress is like
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Speaker 2: my favorite, one of my favorite musicals, tied with Beetlejuice.
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Speaker 2: Good pardon me. And also I've played Princess Winnifred and
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Speaker 2: it's like my dream role. I will play it every chance.
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Speaker 2: Every time there's an audition for this show, I will
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Speaker 2: do it. I don't care if I'm seventy five.
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Speaker 1: So other seen her do it?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, other things are doing Jelly's Last jem in Titanic.
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Speaker 1: So when I hear Sutton Foster, first of all, obviously
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Speaker 1: an amazing actress who has been in a ton of stuff,
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Speaker 1: but I will never forget where I saw her first,
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Speaker 1: which was playing Britt's girlfriend in Flight of the conchords
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Speaker 1: and she never ever sings in it.
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Speaker 2: That's hilarious and also a little bit of a shame.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and obviously she's done. You know. She originated
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Speaker 1: some roles on Broadway, including Milly and Thoroughly Modern Milly,
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Speaker 1: and has played some really. She was in Music Man
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Speaker 1: with Hugh Jackman not too long ago, so yeah, she
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Speaker 1: is no stranger to the boards. Okay, here is the
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Speaker 1: penultimate thirty seconds or less story. Supernatural was a series
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Speaker 1: that lasted fifteen seasons, with each season seeing one or
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Speaker 1: both of the Winchester brothers dead until one of them
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Speaker 1: eventually stayed that way. But no spoilers, I'm not going
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Speaker 1: to tell you which one it was. The series The
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Speaker 1: Winchesters was about their parents, but the CW has canceled
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Speaker 1: it after only one season and no one else picked
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Speaker 1: it up. So while the brothers carried on my wayward
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Speaker 1: son for many years, the book is closing on mom
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Speaker 1: and Dad.
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Speaker 2: I want to say that's sad, but I haven't watched
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Speaker 2: The Winchesters at all. I have watched all of Supernatural,
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Speaker 2: have you.
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Speaker 1: I watched probably the first four or five seasons, and
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Speaker 1: then I fell off, like I was like in the
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Speaker 1: middle of a season and I just stopped and because
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Speaker 1: they were all kind of samey.
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Speaker 2: Yes, there are a couple of seasons where I'm just like,
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Speaker 2: I can't I can't go on.
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Speaker 1: I can't even tell you. I can't even tell you
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Speaker 1: what the big bads were called, like Leviathans or something.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm sorry.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's still early No, that's fine. I'm the
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Speaker 2: one who took us off the thirty seconds or less.
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Speaker 2: The Leviathans were still pretty early on and not the
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Speaker 2: greatest villains. Some people might disagree, all right, last story.
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Speaker 2: I know that a bunch of people were sad that
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Speaker 2: HBO was taking off a bunch of shows off their
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Speaker 2: roster to save money on paying royalties, things like Westworld
15:43
Speaker 2: and The Nevers. However, those shows have found a new
15:46
Speaker 2: home at two B and apparently they're doing really well.
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Speaker 2: And this is especially great news for people who are
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Speaker 2: sad about the fact that Disney is removing some items
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Speaker 2: from their catalog because apparently, according to some interviews and
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Speaker 2: some hat tipping to be and Disney also have a
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Speaker 2: great relationship. So you those things that are going off
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Speaker 2: the platforms that you love, you may still be able
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Speaker 2: to watch.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, whether they will continue or not, like you know,
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Speaker 1: like the Winchesters, that's a different story, but at least
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Speaker 1: you will still be able to find the old episodes,
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Speaker 1: which you know. I definitely get frustrated when something just
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Speaker 1: disappears off a platform. It's one of the reasons why
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Speaker 1: I've started to buy some physical media again, because I
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Speaker 1: just I got tired. I got tired of stuff being
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Speaker 1: unavailable without warning.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Same, I mean, and even just as much as
16:46
Speaker 2: like so Ash Versus the Evil Dead was a show
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Speaker 2: that was on Stars I think, and then I got
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Speaker 2: rid of Stars and I couldn't finish watching it. Well,
16:56
Speaker 2: it came to Netflix, and I didn't realize that it
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Speaker 2: had like a day that it was going back off
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Speaker 2: of Netflix, so I didn't finish watching the series. And
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Speaker 2: now it's on like Epics or something. So I can't
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Speaker 2: watch a series unless I buy another streaming channel. So like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I also have started buying physical media of the things
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Speaker 2: that I know I'll want to rewatch or the things
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Speaker 2: that I know that I want to have the option
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Speaker 2: to watch, Yeah, movies and TV shows.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just the frustrating thing with that is you know,
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Speaker 1: they take up space and then you gotta figure out
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Speaker 1: where you're putting stuff.
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Speaker 2: Look, you just cask of the manciato a wall with
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Speaker 2: them and.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, no, don't take that. That's a load bearing
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Speaker 1: blu ray.
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Speaker 2: You laugh. But have you seen my basement?
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Speaker 1: I have not, but I am sure. I mean, you
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Speaker 1: threatened a couple times where I thought that's where I
17:46
Speaker 1: was gonna end up. But I just you know, you
17:48
Speaker 1: let me how the trunk eventually, and everything was okay.
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Speaker 2: It's all words, words, words, okay.
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Speaker 1: Very like a whale. All right, So let's talk about
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Speaker 1: some of the stuff what we saw. We are, by
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Speaker 1: the way, we should have said this at the top.
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Speaker 1: I mean you did kind of. We're recording this on Sunday,
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Speaker 1: so this is a very late episode, or you can
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Speaker 1: think of it as super early if you prefer, but no,
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Speaker 1: it's late, and so we wanted to talk about some
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Speaker 1: of the stuff we've seen since the last time we convened.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I guess I will start. I watched the first
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Speaker 2: episode of American Born Chinese this past Memorial Day weekend.
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Speaker 2: I liked it, honestly, and this is not what I expect.
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Speaker 2: It was a little slow, it was really cute. The
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Speaker 2: two lead actors had amazing chemistry together. They were so
18:41
Speaker 2: much fun to watch. But I really enjoyed the like
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Speaker 2: the real life high school drama more than I did
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Speaker 2: the fantastical supernatural stuff that was happening in the show.
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Speaker 2: So if we've talked about American born Chinese on the
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Speaker 2: episodisode before, but if you don't remember, it's based off
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Speaker 2: a comic series is done by the shang Chi people,
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Speaker 2: and it's basically kind of like Mythology meets Everywhere, every
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Speaker 2: everything everywhere, all at once a little bit. It's at
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Speaker 2: least got some of the same actors.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's that's cool. You know, some of the
19:18
Speaker 1: same actors also show up. And one of the things
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Speaker 1: I saw, although you don't I don't know. You don't
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Speaker 1: see them, you just hear them, which is Gremlins, like
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Speaker 1: Legend of the Magua. Some of the some of those
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Speaker 1: folks also do voices on that show, and I watched
19:35
Speaker 1: episodes three and four of Gremlins, so I'm caught up
19:40
Speaker 1: as we're recording this. I still enjoy it. There's a
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Speaker 1: character that I find really irritating, but I understand what
19:48
Speaker 1: this character is doing and what purpose they are serving,
19:52
Speaker 1: and I can't disagree with it. It's just one of
19:55
Speaker 1: those where it's like, and you could even argue that's
19:58
Speaker 1: the purpose of the character is to irritate you, in
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Speaker 1: which case doing a great job. But uh yeah, I
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Speaker 1: am still enjoying it very much. It's kind of interesting
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Speaker 1: how they're trying to balance out telling a narrative story
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Speaker 1: that stretches across a season with things being a little episodic,
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Speaker 1: like there's a little bit of Monster of the Week
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Speaker 1: syndrome going on with some of the episodes, but they're
20:24
Speaker 1: also trying to progress the overall storyline. Kind of feels
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Speaker 1: like they're stopping to do side quests while try to
20:32
Speaker 1: finish the main quest. That's what it feels like to me.
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Speaker 1: But still good. Still recommend it, other than the fact
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Speaker 1: that you know, as we've said, the fact that they
20:42
Speaker 1: call Gizmo Gizmo and it's a prequel set in the
20:45
Speaker 1: nineteen twenties means it actually is the worst cartoon ever made.
20:49
Speaker 1: And the other thing I saw was the finale, the
20:52
Speaker 1: series finale for Barry, which I was highly anticipating. I
20:58
Speaker 1: was wondering how they were going to do it. And
21:00
Speaker 1: I have to say I did not see it coming.
21:04
Speaker 1: They just enjoy it, though, that is a very hard
21:09
Speaker 1: question to answer because okay, like, okay, so I think
21:16
Speaker 1: it was the right ending. I don't know if I
21:20
Speaker 1: enjoyed it, because there are characters who are seeking redemption
21:27
Speaker 1: who don't get redeemed. There are characters who shouldn't be
21:30
Speaker 1: redeemed who appear to get redemption. Like there's there's a
21:34
Speaker 1: lot going on, and ultimately, I think it's all the
21:38
Speaker 1: choices made were the right ones, even the one that
21:40
Speaker 1: was really surprising to me, but it was still kind
21:45
Speaker 1: of a I don't know, like like it's kind of
21:49
Speaker 1: like if a play ends but they they didn't. Like
21:52
Speaker 1: if you were to watch a production of a Christmas
21:56
Speaker 1: Carol and they they they tune up to I need
22:00
Speaker 1: tim for God bless us everyone, but he doesn't say it.
22:04
Speaker 2: M gotcha, gotcha. That's interesting. I I really need to
22:08
Speaker 2: catch up on Barry as soon as I finished Last
22:10
Speaker 2: of Us and buy Apple TV for ted lass Ow
22:13
Speaker 2: and Schmigadoon and all of the other things that watching.
22:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, but is still fantastic.
22:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this this weekend instead other than American born Chinese,
22:26
Speaker 2: I did watch the entirety of season two of Barbecue Showdown.
22:31
Speaker 1: That's not geeky, it's food geeky.
22:35
Speaker 2: Gotcha, it's not, but you know what it's for a
22:39
Speaker 2: food competition show. Season two is really delightful. There's so
22:43
Speaker 2: little like everybody is so supportive of each other and
22:48
Speaker 2: in fact and in fact the there's a a like
22:52
Speaker 2: a two of the contestants become like best friends, like
22:57
Speaker 2: uh and there are two of my favorite people on
22:59
Speaker 2: the on it. For season one, there were some people
23:02
Speaker 2: who I was like, they kind of get on my
23:04
Speaker 2: nerves or they've got kind of a bad attitude. But
23:06
Speaker 2: this season didn't have that at all. It was delightful.
23:10
Speaker 2: So yeah, maybe not geegee geeky to me, I like
23:12
Speaker 2: food shows fair enough.
23:16
Speaker 1: Well that that kind of sums up what we've watched.
23:20
Speaker 1: I am. I am not going to talk about sordid
23:23
Speaker 1: food because that's my that's my go to food stuff,
23:27
Speaker 1: A bunch of Brits being silly in the kitchen. But
23:31
Speaker 1: we're going to instead what's that?
23:34
Speaker 2: I do like it?
23:35
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're gonna talk instead about a whole bunch
23:38
Speaker 1: of strike news w GA strike. It's still going on
23:44
Speaker 1: as we record this. It's been a month now at
23:47
Speaker 1: where this strike has been going on, and in just
23:52
Speaker 1: a couple of days, sag AFTRA, the union that represents
23:57
Speaker 1: actors in Hollywood, they have their negotiations with the studios
24:03
Speaker 1: starting just on June seventh, and in advance of that,
24:07
Speaker 1: they had been voting on a strike authorization, which isn't
24:12
Speaker 1: the same thing as going on strike. It's just if
24:14
Speaker 1: they have a strike authorization, it means when they go
24:17
Speaker 1: into the negotiations they can tell the studios, hey, we're
24:21
Speaker 1: already ready to strike. We've already held a vote and
24:24
Speaker 1: they're ready to go.
24:25
Speaker 2: But we don't know what the result of that vote
24:29
Speaker 2: is yet. They haven't announced it. I do know, however,
24:34
Speaker 2: that the the picket lines have apparently made it to Georgia.
24:42
Speaker 2: There were some picketing lines.
24:44
Speaker 1: I received an email asking me to picket a location.
24:50
Speaker 1: I will not say where because I'm respecting the organizers
24:54
Speaker 1: who sent me this message. It's probably because the iHeart
25:00
Speaker 1: Media Podcast union is associated with the WGA East. I'm
25:05
Speaker 1: guessing that's how I got the email. It was odd
25:08
Speaker 1: to get it though, like it was an email calling
25:11
Speaker 1: for me, not just me, Like it was an email
25:13
Speaker 1: that was a blast email, but it was calling for
25:15
Speaker 1: people in the area to go to a specific location
25:18
Speaker 1: and picket it in advance of a production possibly ramping up.
25:25
Speaker 1: See that, we're starting to see this kind of chess
25:27
Speaker 1: game going on between studios and the writers, where the
25:31
Speaker 1: writers are trying to rush to locations where filming is
25:34
Speaker 1: supposed to happen, and studios are trying to secretly figure
25:39
Speaker 1: out where they can shoot where the writers won't know
25:42
Speaker 1: about it, where they can get a day's work in
25:45
Speaker 1: without a picket line going up, because as we know,
25:48
Speaker 1: if the picket line goes up and it just takes
25:50
Speaker 1: two people to qualify as a picket line, if that,
25:53
Speaker 1: if a line goes up, then other unions can choose
25:57
Speaker 1: not to cross that picket line and that would end
26:00
Speaker 1: up setting productions on hold. And in fact, that's been
26:05
Speaker 1: happening in Hollywood, and like Ariel was saying in Georgia,
26:09
Speaker 1: as various union members in WGA have gone to pick
26:15
Speaker 1: it and protest, and then you know, like teamsters won't
26:18
Speaker 1: cross that line, and once that happens, nothing else happens,
26:23
Speaker 1: which is.
26:23
Speaker 2: In fact our next story talking about how effectiveness is.
26:26
Speaker 2: It's so effective that like they've been putting out fake
26:30
Speaker 2: call sheets and locations and times to try to get
26:33
Speaker 2: production done.
26:35
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's the kind of like tactics that are
26:39
Speaker 1: happening right now. And obviously even getting productions done right now,
26:44
Speaker 1: that's just for the stuff that's already been written, anything
26:47
Speaker 1: that requires rewrites or whatever, that's already on hold because
26:50
Speaker 1: no one can do any writing work until the strike
26:53
Speaker 1: is resolved. So nothing new is going to launch unless
26:58
Speaker 1: it's already like in the can written, not in the can,
27:02
Speaker 1: but totally like on the page written, and no one's
27:05
Speaker 1: going to do any rewrites that could go forward theoretically,
27:08
Speaker 1: although WGA could go and then put up a picket
27:11
Speaker 1: line and that would potentially throw a monkey wrench in
27:14
Speaker 1: the whole works. But yeah, anything that requires even a
27:17
Speaker 1: little bit of writing it is on hold. So we're
27:21
Speaker 1: probably like we're looking at a pretty significant impact on
27:26
Speaker 1: productions right now.
27:28
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, this doesn't mean that people can't, you know,
27:32
Speaker 2: create their own content or do non union stuff if
27:34
Speaker 2: they aren't a part of the union. Technically, if you're
27:37
Speaker 2: non union, you can still work on those projects, but
27:40
Speaker 2: you don't you don't want to pass across picket lines.
27:42
Speaker 2: You just don't that's not.
27:44
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. It doesn't help you, and it hurts
27:48
Speaker 1: everybody other than the studios, who certainly don't need any
27:52
Speaker 1: They don't need to be coddled.
27:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of helping yourself and hurting other people, although
28:00
Speaker 2: I don't know if I fully agree with it. You
28:02
Speaker 2: also added this story about how the Director's Guild of
28:05
Speaker 2: America has signed a tentative deal with studios already, yes,
28:09
Speaker 2: and how the WGA is not thrilled about it because
28:14
Speaker 2: the possible SAG strike in the WGA strike gave DGA
28:18
Speaker 2: the leverage to get their demands made and they're very
28:22
Speaker 2: similar to what everybody else is asking for, right, Yeah,
28:26
Speaker 2: but at the same time, like they all needed to
28:30
Speaker 2: do the same thing. And if if people agreed to
28:33
Speaker 2: do that for the directors, hopefully they'll agreed to do
28:35
Speaker 2: it for the actors and the writers next. If not,
28:37
Speaker 2: we're still not getting stuff made.
28:39
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So the WGA is kind of upset because
28:44
Speaker 1: I mean, it's understandable, right, because the DGA could have
28:46
Speaker 1: also gone on strike and made it a really big
28:50
Speaker 1: collective union confrontation with the studios, but instead the studios
28:57
Speaker 1: agreed to you know enough of the DGA requests that
29:02
Speaker 1: the DGA was like, all right, we got ours, we
29:06
Speaker 1: got what we want, so good luck you guys, and
29:09
Speaker 1: peace out. And the WGA is like, the only reason
29:11
Speaker 1: you got what you want is because we've been on
29:13
Speaker 1: strike for a month and the studios are terrified of
29:17
Speaker 1: another union going on strike. So literally, we did the
29:20
Speaker 1: work for you to get what you wanted. Like, the
29:23
Speaker 1: work we did is why you got the requests you have,
29:27
Speaker 1: and you're throwing us under the bus. That's what the
29:30
Speaker 1: WGA is effectively saying, which you can kind of get it.
29:34
Speaker 1: But man, if you start reading those tweets, it gets
29:37
Speaker 1: like it's very courteous, but it's cold.
29:40
Speaker 2: I I yeah, I get it, but I also aren't
29:43
Speaker 2: they aren't all three unions basically working for the deal
29:47
Speaker 2: that the DGA just got. If the DGA want on strike,
29:50
Speaker 2: they may not have gotten the things they were asking for,
29:53
Speaker 2: or at least had to have bargained more.
29:57
Speaker 1: It's possible, but see, I think the fear is that.
30:00
Speaker 1: But if if the studios, well, I don't know, because
30:04
Speaker 1: the studios can't go without the writers, like there's there's
30:07
Speaker 1: no work without the writers. So it's it's really weird
30:11
Speaker 1: because you figured that eventually the studios are going to
30:15
Speaker 1: have to concede at least some of the points the
30:17
Speaker 1: writers have made for things to move forward. But I mean,
30:22
Speaker 1: at the same time, like some of the stuff that
30:23
Speaker 1: the writers are really concerned about aren't directly impacting people
30:28
Speaker 1: who do directing, right, Like, it's not like the stuff
30:31
Speaker 1: that like with AI, the writers are worried about AI
30:34
Speaker 1: potentially undercutting their their jobs and making it harder for
30:38
Speaker 1: writers to get paid decent wages. Directors don't really have
30:41
Speaker 1: to worry about that so far, so that's probably part
30:45
Speaker 1: of it. But yeah, it's I mean, it's just tough because,
30:48
Speaker 1: like it's the whole thing about unions, right, Collectively, you
30:51
Speaker 1: have more power than you do individually. So I don't
30:55
Speaker 1: think it lessens the WGA's power in this ongoing strike.
31:00
Speaker 1: But I think they were really hoping that they would
31:05
Speaker 1: get like a bigger boost from the d GA.
31:08
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but hopefully this will be a catalyst for
31:13
Speaker 2: the w GA to get the things they've been asking for,
31:15
Speaker 2: because again I don't think they're unreasonable.
31:18
Speaker 1: Yeah.
31:18
Speaker 2: Same, Now on to some happier news. We got a
31:26
Speaker 2: full trailer for something we talked about recently on the
31:29
Speaker 2: show Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Mutant Mayhem trailer, and it
31:35
Speaker 2: just looks more and more charming everything I see about it.
31:38
Speaker 1: Agreed, Yeah, the trailer, like we talked about a teaser
31:42
Speaker 1: a couple like in the last episode or one before that.
31:45
Speaker 1: So this trailer, the more I see of it, the
31:48
Speaker 1: more I'm like, I love this vibe. Like it's got
31:50
Speaker 1: that great balance between the very cartoony animated series version
31:57
Speaker 1: of TMNT and the you know edgier, darker comic book
32:02
Speaker 1: TM and T. I feel like this is the right balance.
32:05
Speaker 1: It also tells me that Seth Rogen. Uh was it
32:08
Speaker 1: Seth Rogan who wrote on this?
32:09
Speaker 2: Uh? He's He's at least I think he co wrote it,
32:12
Speaker 2: and I think he's co producing it.
32:14
Speaker 1: Got it?
32:15
Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, how about some as m R. Listen to
32:21
Speaker 2: that beautiful clicking, click clacking noise. Uh Seth Rogen is
32:26
Speaker 2: a producer on it? Did he also? Did? He also write? Ah,
32:31
Speaker 2: you you broke in my brain? Now?
32:34
Speaker 1: Well, I was just going to say that it's it's
32:36
Speaker 1: very cool and the.
32:38
Speaker 2: Screenplay is by uh Seth Rogen Evan Goldberg, who also
32:43
Speaker 2: works a lot with Seth Rogen and Jeff Rowe, who
32:46
Speaker 2: worked on Gravity Falls and Disenchantment.
32:49
Speaker 1: I was about to say, it feels very much like
32:52
Speaker 1: he has a deep love for the original film version
32:56
Speaker 1: of TM and T, which also had kind of a balance.
33:00
Speaker 1: I don't think it was an ideal balance between the
33:03
Speaker 1: cartoony and the edgy. I think it was a little
33:07
Speaker 1: tonally inconsistent. But I feel like that's kind of the
33:12
Speaker 1: starting grounds of the love that I feel for Mutant Mayhem.
33:16
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you know, Seth Rogen is doing that thing
33:19
Speaker 2: that I love to see all actors do, which is
33:22
Speaker 2: a break out of their like stereotypical comfort zone. So
33:28
Speaker 2: I'm all for it. Yeah, because his normal his normal
33:32
Speaker 2: sense of humor is not super my sense of humor.
33:35
Speaker 2: I'm not. It just isn't.
33:39
Speaker 1: You're not until all the stoner comedies.
33:42
Speaker 2: No, it's it's just not for me.
33:44
Speaker 1: Yes.
33:45
Speaker 2: Also, they tend to They also tend to go a
33:47
Speaker 2: little bit blue.
33:48
Speaker 1: Like I don't. I don't mind blue if it's done
33:52
Speaker 1: in a way that I feel as clever, But often
33:54
Speaker 1: in those films, I just feel like it's it's there
33:57
Speaker 1: to be a shock or a prize, and that's about
34:01
Speaker 1: the extent of it, and then like once that wears off,
34:05
Speaker 1: if the joke doesn't stick with you, then it's not
34:08
Speaker 1: really that good of a joke. But I mean, I
34:10
Speaker 1: say that just in general, I like Ariel like, I
34:14
Speaker 1: don't watch stoner comedies. They don't have much appeal to me.
34:16
Speaker 1: I think I've seen like maybe two super Troopers being
34:21
Speaker 1: one of them, and while I can appreciate moments in them,
34:25
Speaker 1: I'm just not of that particular demographic. So and there's
34:29
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with folks who are, it's just not for me.
34:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, there there are some I've seen as well where
34:35
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I like these moments, but it's at
34:38
Speaker 2: most a third of the movie. But you know, that's
34:41
Speaker 2: why we have different media for different people. Like the
34:47
Speaker 2: next thing, if you don't like stoner comedies or sup
34:51
Speaker 2: or comic book cartoon movies, you can instead watch season
34:55
Speaker 2: six of Black Mirror, which we got a full trailer for.
34:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, trailer looks good. Like the episodes, the episodes
35:03
Speaker 1: look very distinct now. I think it looks like some
35:06
Speaker 1: of them actually looked a little more like classic Twilight
35:11
Speaker 1: Zone ish because Black Mirror obviously has a harder edge
35:14
Speaker 1: to it than Twilight Zone did, but I think a
35:18
Speaker 1: couple of them looked a little more kind of whimsical
35:22
Speaker 1: Twilight so almost to the point of amazing stories whimsy.
35:26
Speaker 1: I'm sure that that's just a part of those episodes.
35:29
Speaker 1: And then things go really wrong and it gets really dark,
35:32
Speaker 1: because that's kind of what Black Mirror is. But still
35:35
Speaker 1: the trailer it wasn't all like oppressive doom and glue
35:40
Speaker 1: mostly but not all.
35:42
Speaker 2: I mean, it ended with oppressive doom and gloom. So
35:45
Speaker 2: they did with the new full trailer for season six
35:47
Speaker 2: of Black Mirror what Doctor Who did, which was give
35:49
Speaker 2: us little clips, almost like mini trailers of each of
35:52
Speaker 2: the episodes coming out and the titles. And there is
35:56
Speaker 2: one with Aaron Paul that's in outer Space that I
35:58
Speaker 2: agree has like it looks scary, but it also looks
36:00
Speaker 2: very like Twilight Zone to me. Yeah, and I'm excited
36:04
Speaker 2: to see what happens. There's also one that's rather self
36:06
Speaker 2: referential in its content. And then the last one they
36:11
Speaker 2: show us is Red Mirror, which I wonder if it's
36:13
Speaker 2: going to become a like a Shuttered style spinoff series.
36:21
Speaker 1: I guess it could be. It is a you know,
36:24
Speaker 1: it's a. It's not a bad idea, I suppose, although
36:28
Speaker 1: really Black Mirror is already so like it can get
36:32
Speaker 1: pretty horrific. Uh oh, I guess I I guess it
36:36
Speaker 1: doesn't go quite I mean, I haven't watched all the seasons.
36:39
Speaker 1: I guess it doesn't go quite as far into outright
36:42
Speaker 1: horror as that It usually is just very disturbing.
36:47
Speaker 2: I just figured Black Mirror was because of the dark
36:50
Speaker 2: content and Red Mirror is because it's going to be
36:52
Speaker 2: bloody Goria's heck. But that's just my assumption.
36:55
Speaker 1: Very possible. It's it's not a bad idea. Like, there
37:01
Speaker 1: there are people who there are people who love the gore.
37:05
Speaker 1: I appreciate a good gory scene, but again, just like
37:08
Speaker 1: I was talking about with humor, I need there to
37:11
Speaker 1: be a reason for it.
37:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm not. I'm not great with just gore
37:17
Speaker 2: for core. That's just me. Another trailer called Hidden Strike
37:27
Speaker 2: smooth with John c I was trying to figure out
37:31
Speaker 2: a way to segue to this. But the problem is
37:33
Speaker 2: is when I watched this trailer Hidden Strike with John
37:36
Speaker 2: Cena and Jackie chan I was like, oh, this is
37:39
Speaker 2: like this meets this, but also this meets this, but
37:41
Speaker 2: also this meets this, and by that I mean Rush
37:44
Speaker 2: Hour meets Expendables. I think was my winner.
37:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, yes, that that feels like it's very accurate
37:51
Speaker 1: to me.
37:52
Speaker 2: But also Shaw and Hobbes meets mad Max or water World.
37:57
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. The synopsis or the IMDb like blurb for
38:06
Speaker 1: what this movie actually is this. This is the full
38:10
Speaker 1: extent of what the blurb is. Two ex Special Forces
38:15
Speaker 1: soldiers must escort a group of civilians along Baghdad's Highway
38:19
Speaker 1: of Death to the safety of the Green Zone. That's it.
38:23
Speaker 1: But it is like an action comedy with John Cena
38:26
Speaker 1: and Jackie Chan And I watched it. I watched this,
38:30
Speaker 1: not the movie, but the trailer, and I thought the
38:33
Speaker 1: note I put in our little show notes was dumb
38:36
Speaker 1: action film.
38:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes dumb action can be fun. But it does
38:42
Speaker 2: have some of the same team that did work on Expendables,
38:45
Speaker 2: which I think is why it echoes that somewhat. And
38:49
Speaker 2: I watched one of the Expendable movies. It wasn't the
38:51
Speaker 2: first one, and it just didn't quite reach the point
38:56
Speaker 2: I think it was trying to get to. For me.
38:57
Speaker 2: I al We've talked about this before.
38:59
Speaker 1: I've watched the first Expendles movie and bits of the
39:03
Speaker 1: second one, and I felt the same way. I felt.
39:05
Speaker 1: It was like like it felt like it was such
39:08
Speaker 1: a dream team. I mean, you had all these action
39:11
Speaker 1: movie icons brought together, and you know, anyone who was
39:15
Speaker 1: a fan of action movies in the eighties, you know,
39:18
Speaker 1: you always had these fantasies of, Man, I'm waiting for
39:21
Speaker 1: that that dream team up of like Sylvester Stallone and
39:25
Speaker 1: Arnold Schwarzenegger and Bruce Willis, you know, and you know
39:29
Speaker 1: others adding in as well, especially from like the the
39:34
Speaker 1: Kung Fu films and all those action genres thrown in together,
39:40
Speaker 1: it's gonna be amazing. And then you're like, oh, yeah, right,
39:43
Speaker 1: you also need a good story and script for that
39:47
Speaker 1: to really work. And we forgot. We just got it.
39:50
Speaker 1: We spent so much money getting all these guys. We
39:54
Speaker 1: forgot to pay for a good story.
39:57
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, kind of the Fast, The Fast and the
40:02
Speaker 2: Furious movies. Although we have some friends who freaking loved
40:06
Speaker 2: the series, they're.
40:07
Speaker 1: Like everybody is yeah she she She flipped out big
40:13
Speaker 1: time about the series.
40:16
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, which I will I will watch at
40:21
Speaker 2: some point. I'll give you my opinion once I do
40:23
Speaker 2: it's it is lowered on my list. Something that barely
40:29
Speaker 2: even made my radar was this trailer for I'm a Virgo,
40:32
Speaker 2: because when I read the synopsis, it is one an
40:37
Speaker 2: accurate movie to cover on this podcast. But when I
40:39
Speaker 2: read the synopsis, for some reason, all of those little
40:42
Speaker 2: data points did not get absorbed by my brain.
40:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you want to hear the synopsis on this
40:50
Speaker 1: one for IMDb, it would be a coming of age
40:53
Speaker 1: joy ride about COOTI, a thirteen foot tall man who
40:57
Speaker 1: escapes to experience the beauty and contradictions of the real world.
41:00
Speaker 1: He forms friendships, finds love, navigates awkward situations, and encounters
41:05
Speaker 1: his idol named the hero.
41:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he kind of like who is like a superhero.
41:12
Speaker 2: When you watch the trailer, it's interesting, it looks it
41:16
Speaker 2: looks a lot of like a lot of fun. To me,
41:19
Speaker 2: I am a little I'm a little hesitant because I
41:27
Speaker 2: personally did not enjoy Sorry to Bother You. I wanted to.
41:33
Speaker 2: I went in thinking I'm gonna love this movie, but
41:35
Speaker 2: it just got a little too art housey for me
41:39
Speaker 2: to fully enjoy. I loved parts of it, and I
41:42
Speaker 2: think the overall story is good, but it just it
41:45
Speaker 2: got a little too bizarre for me, and it's I'm
41:50
Speaker 2: a Virgo is done by the same people, so yeah.
41:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so stifle. It looks it looks really intriguing,
41:58
Speaker 1: Like I kind of hope they never even attempt to
42:02
Speaker 1: explain how this young man who is quite young, ended
42:07
Speaker 1: up being thirteen feet tall. I hope they never ever
42:10
Speaker 1: explain it in the film, because I think that would
42:12
Speaker 1: be amazing. But I don't know because I haven't seen it.
42:17
Speaker 1: I just see the trailer, and the trailer they certainly
42:19
Speaker 1: don't go into that. He just is.
42:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I mean, if you've watched Sorry to Bother You,
42:26
Speaker 2: and from watching the trailer f I'm of Virgo. They
42:28
Speaker 2: do deal with racial and cultural issues and couch it
42:34
Speaker 2: in the bizarre, So I love what they're doing.
42:38
Speaker 1: Watch it. There's like a whole there's a whole genre that.
42:43
Speaker 1: I mean, it kind of spans multiple genres. But there
42:46
Speaker 1: are several filmmakers, Jordan Peel being another one, who have
42:50
Speaker 1: created some really interesting movies that do commentary about issues
42:58
Speaker 1: that involve race and class and that sort of thing, uh,
43:02
Speaker 1: that do it from an angle where that's not like
43:07
Speaker 1: front and center, like this is what this movie is about.
43:10
Speaker 1: But as you watch it, you're like, oh, that's what
43:13
Speaker 1: this movie is about, right, Like you get it. But
43:16
Speaker 1: the but the angle they take might not be you know,
43:21
Speaker 1: head on. It might be at a different angle so
43:23
Speaker 1: that you're pulled in by the high concept or whatever,
43:29
Speaker 1: and then through the process, which is really what science
43:32
Speaker 1: fiction does too. Like good science fiction is a commentary
43:37
Speaker 1: on things that are going on in today's world, just
43:41
Speaker 1: using the trappings of science and futurism and stuff to
43:44
Speaker 1: tell it.
43:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, giving it, giving it a nice I don't know,
43:48
Speaker 2: A spoonful of sugar is not always the right thing, right,
43:51
Speaker 2: but giving it some some flavor to bring people in.
44:00
Speaker 2: I so, yeah, check out the trailer. See if it's
44:03
Speaker 2: for you. It really looks interesting. I will get I
44:05
Speaker 2: will give it a shot. Even though I didn't I
44:07
Speaker 2: didn't fully enjoy. Sorry to bother you, I'm definitely gonna.
44:10
Speaker 1: Watch this one.
44:11
Speaker 2: Yeah. I also definitely watch Good Omens Season two, which
44:15
Speaker 2: we've been waiting for for a while.
44:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, should come out this summer. We got the title sequence,
44:22
Speaker 1: so we got to watch what the opening titles will be.
44:25
Speaker 1: Although the opening titles will change slightly from episode to
44:29
Speaker 1: episode and the titles like it's that same sort of
44:35
Speaker 1: animated style that the titles of the first season used,
44:38
Speaker 1: and people are trying to glean plausible meaning from what
44:42
Speaker 1: the title sequence shows, which is pretty tricky because the
44:47
Speaker 1: first season of Good Omens was based off a novel.
44:51
Speaker 1: The second season of Good Omens is based off a
44:54
Speaker 1: novel that was never written, so there's no source material
44:57
Speaker 1: for anyone to rely upon to say like, oh, I
44:59
Speaker 1: know where the story is going.
45:01
Speaker 2: Well, there's source material because Pratchett and Gayman talked about it,
45:06
Speaker 2: they just never published it, so not for us. There's
45:08
Speaker 2: source material for Gaymen.
45:10
Speaker 1: Well I mean, I mean, there's no source material for
45:12
Speaker 1: the speculation. How about that?
45:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, But it makes sense to try to speculate
45:17
Speaker 2: what's going to happen, because if you watch the season
45:19
Speaker 2: one sequence title, everything that almost everything that happens in
45:22
Speaker 2: that sequence title happens in some form or fashion within
45:26
Speaker 2: the actual show, which is a really cool, fun little
45:28
Speaker 2: easter egg hunt. But the second season title sequence looks good,
45:34
Speaker 2: but almost all looks post apocalyptic to me.
45:37
Speaker 1: Well, and it looks like there's like a billion characters
45:42
Speaker 1: because it starts off with a zerofl and Crowley, the
45:46
Speaker 1: Angel and Demon respectively, walking and then more and more
45:51
Speaker 1: people start following them, and they walk through lots of
45:54
Speaker 1: different scenes, including ones that look like they're historical, So
45:57
Speaker 1: I think there's some where they're walking through like it's
46:00
Speaker 1: going to be kind of like in the first season
46:02
Speaker 1: of Good Omens, where you start to see incidents where
46:05
Speaker 1: they encountered one another throughout history, not just present day.
46:10
Speaker 1: But they also marched down to Hell, for example, and
46:14
Speaker 1: the parade of people following them just gets bigger and bigger,
46:18
Speaker 1: and there's such weird representations of characters that like, I
46:24
Speaker 1: don't know if if any or all of them or
46:27
Speaker 1: none of them will show up as characters in the series,
46:30
Speaker 1: but man, it is funky. Yeah.
46:33
Speaker 2: They also it looks like they also marched to heaven.
46:36
Speaker 2: And there's an angel in the opening sequence that I
46:38
Speaker 2: hope is John ham Gabriel, and because he was, he
46:44
Speaker 2: is in anything that is not Mad Men. He is
46:48
Speaker 2: delightfully fun Yeah.
46:50
Speaker 1: It's also interesting because that part was written for the series, right,
46:54
Speaker 1: It wasn't like that wasn't that was one of the
46:57
Speaker 1: ones that was created specifically for the series and not
47:00
Speaker 1: from the novel. Itself, because the first season is is
47:05
Speaker 1: fairly faithful to the original book, but not it's not,
47:09
Speaker 1: you know, one to one. There are some deviations, which
47:13
Speaker 1: is fine.
47:14
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and it also looks like they go to
47:17
Speaker 2: outer space. I'm looking forward to it. I enjoyed Good
47:20
Speaker 2: Omens way more than I anticipated I would. I liked
47:22
Speaker 2: the book, but I was iffy on the show, and
47:25
Speaker 2: then the show won me over same.
47:28
Speaker 1: I also sat on the same bench that they sat
47:30
Speaker 1: on at the end of it, so.
47:31
Speaker 2: Oh, that's really cool. Was there a nightingale that sang
47:34
Speaker 2: for you?
47:35
Speaker 1: No? No, But we were watching like swan swim in
47:40
Speaker 1: the in the the little waterway across from us. So
47:44
Speaker 1: I want to say Hyde Park? Was it Hyde Park?
47:48
Speaker 1: Actually it might have, just I don't remember. I remember
47:50
Speaker 1: that we went there, and when we were watching the series,
47:55
Speaker 1: Becca and I got to the point where they were
47:57
Speaker 1: sitting down on the bench, like, oh my gosh, I
48:00
Speaker 1: think that might be the very same bench we sat
48:02
Speaker 1: on when we were walking through that bark. And the
48:04
Speaker 1: more we sat sat and watched, the more we're like, yeah, no,
48:07
Speaker 1: those were our sight lines. That's the same bench.
48:10
Speaker 2: That is super cool. I'm a little jelly.
48:14
Speaker 1: Well we had no I we had no way of
48:16
Speaker 1: knowing at the time, so I couldn't you know, savor
48:19
Speaker 1: sitting in David Tennant's butt crease.
48:24
Speaker 2: Or whatever you can say you did it first.
48:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe he said in mine, Yes he did.
48:31
Speaker 2: In fact, our next story maybe should have gone up
48:36
Speaker 2: with the strike news.
48:37
Speaker 1: Honestly, Yeah, yeah, I didn't think about it, but yeah,
48:41
Speaker 1: I probably should have moved that further up. Yeah. We
48:44
Speaker 1: mentioned in our last episode about the the esports players
48:50
Speaker 1: who were threatening to walk out of an event because
48:55
Speaker 1: they wanted to support the effectively the minor leagues the
49:00
Speaker 1: sports because the the the overarching agency that oversees the
49:07
Speaker 1: whole thing, had made a new ruling saying that the
49:10
Speaker 1: major teams no longer had to field minor teams, and
49:14
Speaker 1: the players are like, that's not fair, that's gonna take
49:17
Speaker 1: It's gonna end up cutting access to tons of people
49:21
Speaker 1: who otherwise would be rising up in the sport to
49:24
Speaker 1: take part in the major leagues down the line. And
49:28
Speaker 1: so now things have escalated beyond that.
49:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so uh so, Yeah, they have a two
49:36
Speaker 2: week window to try to resolve stuff, and then the
49:40
Speaker 2: pros might walk and if they do that means that
49:45
Speaker 2: the that North America may not place for the World
49:50
Speaker 2: Championships because they won't get their their season to do so,
49:56
Speaker 2: and they want to keep the season so really interesting.
50:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and from what I understand, Riot Games is
50:07
Speaker 1: even telling about just canceling the whole season, like yeah,
50:11
Speaker 1: like that would be their response rather than the negotiation
50:15
Speaker 1: of revisiting the ruling about fielding minor teams, They might
50:22
Speaker 1: just cancel the whole season. Like it's it's it's starting
50:25
Speaker 1: to become like a mutually assured destruction kind of standoff.
50:30
Speaker 1: And it's hard to say how it's going to go
50:33
Speaker 1: right now, but this is not the direction that I
50:37
Speaker 1: was hoping for.
50:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it looks like the LS. Well, the lc
50:44
Speaker 2: SPA claimed that there had been attempts to get scab
50:49
Speaker 2: players for the start of the season, not by them,
50:53
Speaker 2: because they're saying, hey, that hurts everybody, don't do it,
50:56
Speaker 2: Just don't do it. But hopefully, hopefully the fact that
50:59
Speaker 2: they have disgrace period of two weeks to figure it out,
51:01
Speaker 2: and that people are willing to come to talks during
51:03
Speaker 2: those two weeks, hopefully they'll figure it out.
51:07
Speaker 1: I sure hope so. And our final story is one
51:11
Speaker 1: I just wanted to throw in to chat about a
51:13
Speaker 1: little bit. So you may have heard of a game
51:16
Speaker 1: called Redfall, which.
51:19
Speaker 2: I have not, Jonathan, what is it about?
51:21
Speaker 1: Okay? So red Fall is a game from the studio Arcane,
51:27
Speaker 1: which made games like Dishonored two and such, and Redfall
51:33
Speaker 1: is a multiplayer game, a cooperative multiplayer game where you
51:36
Speaker 1: are trying to take down vampires. And it was one
51:40
Speaker 1: of those games where when it was first being you know,
51:44
Speaker 1: shown off, my first reaction was, Oh, this was Left
51:48
Speaker 1: for Dead, except instead of zombies, they're vampires. But otherwise
51:52
Speaker 1: it looks almost exactly the same. There were a little
51:55
Speaker 1: bit of other reveals that made it seem a bit
51:57
Speaker 1: different from that, but I don't know, it just never
52:02
Speaker 1: seemed that exciting to me. Well, it turns out that
52:04
Speaker 1: apparently people within the company Arcane weren't excited about it either.
52:08
Speaker 1: There's a whole story that came out in Bloomberg. Jason
52:11
Speaker 1: Schreyer wrote a great piece about it, and we all
52:14
Speaker 1: have that in our show notes. But basically the way
52:18
Speaker 1: it goes down is a few years ago, there was
52:21
Speaker 1: this big push toward creating games as a service, where
52:25
Speaker 1: you release a game, But the game has tons of
52:28
Speaker 1: different micro transactions in it so that you can keep
52:31
Speaker 1: making money off the game even after you release it,
52:34
Speaker 1: because you know, obviously, if you just sell a game,
52:36
Speaker 1: you can only sell it once to each person unless
52:38
Speaker 1: they buy it for multiple platforms. But if you have
52:41
Speaker 1: micro transactions, you can keep convincing those folks to hand
52:45
Speaker 1: you money over and over again. Well, Arcane was told
52:50
Speaker 1: to create a game, and the story is a little muddy,
52:54
Speaker 1: but like it eventually came down of, hey, why don't
52:56
Speaker 1: you make a game about vampires? People are crazy about vampires.
53:01
Speaker 1: And they started development on it. As they were getting
53:05
Speaker 1: closer to a point where the game was entering into
53:09
Speaker 1: a finished product, the mandate to include micro transactions changed
53:14
Speaker 1: because players hated it, so the purpose, the whole purpose
53:19
Speaker 1: of developing the game went away, and they still had
53:22
Speaker 1: to make a game. But apparently, like in the process,
53:26
Speaker 1: Microsoft bought Arcane. They did a seven and a half
53:29
Speaker 1: billion dollar purchase to buy the company Ourcane and the
53:33
Speaker 1: people at Arcane reportedly were hoping that Microsoft would intervene
53:38
Speaker 1: and cancel the project. Like you know, things have gone
53:42
Speaker 1: bad when the project you're working on, you're hoping gets canceled,
53:46
Speaker 1: like that's that's real bad. But instead Microsoft was like,
53:50
Speaker 1: we're going to give you full autonomy. We're gonna let
53:52
Speaker 1: you do what you want to do, which most of
53:53
Speaker 1: the time is what you want, right. You don't want
53:56
Speaker 1: the parent company to come in and interfere. Most of
54:00
Speaker 1: the time, you want them to give you the freedom
54:03
Speaker 1: to do what you need to do. But in this case,
54:05
Speaker 1: people were hoping that Microsoft would come in and shut
54:08
Speaker 1: it down and direct the group to making something else
54:14
Speaker 1: because they did not believe in the game they were making.
54:17
Speaker 1: And since it came out, Redfall has received terrible reviews
54:22
Speaker 1: for multiple reasons, and it just seems like it's one
54:27
Speaker 1: of those big, big misses in video game production history.
54:33
Speaker 1: And like I said, we'll link to the article in
54:36
Speaker 1: our show notes. It is worth reading if you want
54:40
Speaker 1: to take the time to read the whole thing. But
54:43
Speaker 1: really a sad story because you know, no one sets
54:46
Speaker 1: out to make a bad game. It just sometimes happens.
54:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, like again, this is not a game I heard of. Honestly,
54:55
Speaker 2: I didn't have time to fully read the article. I
54:57
Speaker 2: don't even know in Bloomberg, so I had to find
54:59
Speaker 2: a second artarticle that referenced the Bloomberg article because you
55:03
Speaker 2: have to you have to subscribe to Bloomberg, I think.
55:05
Speaker 2: But we'll try to find something that if you aren't subscribed,
55:08
Speaker 2: you can also check out.
55:09
Speaker 1: I'll try to put both.
55:11
Speaker 2: Links in there. But yeah, people put a lot of
55:15
Speaker 2: time and effort into it, and you want, even if
55:17
Speaker 2: you weren't gung ho about it, you want it to
55:19
Speaker 2: be appreciated. That's that's that's sad.
55:23
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, we've seen other stories in the video
55:26
Speaker 1: game space where something like this happens. I mean, the
55:28
Speaker 1: really famous one would be Duke Nukem Forever, which was
55:31
Speaker 1: in development hell for more than a decade, and it
55:35
Speaker 1: was being called vaporware multiple years in a row because
55:39
Speaker 1: it was announced years and years before it would ever
55:43
Speaker 1: come out, and in the process, the studio that was
55:45
Speaker 1: making it kept getting directions from the head of the
55:49
Speaker 1: company saying, hey, this new video game engine is out.
55:53
Speaker 1: I want us to switch to this video game engine
55:55
Speaker 1: because it's better. And then everybody like, all the work
55:58
Speaker 1: you had been doing for the previous video game engine
56:01
Speaker 1: is no longer applicable, and you're like starting from scratch
56:05
Speaker 1: all over again. The direction changed. There was feature creep.
56:08
Speaker 1: It just it was like every bad thing that could
56:10
Speaker 1: happen in the process of making a game kind of
56:13
Speaker 1: happened in that the same sort of thing appears to
56:16
Speaker 1: have happened over at Arcane. It is a real shame
56:19
Speaker 1: because Arcane makes really good games. There are games that
56:23
Speaker 1: aren't necessarily the biggest sellers, but they're good, they're really
56:29
Speaker 1: well made, and it's just seeing something like this is
56:34
Speaker 1: really a shame. And especially you know, you worry that
56:38
Speaker 1: Microsoft will end up assuming that Arcane isn't worthwhile because
56:44
Speaker 1: of that, when that's not really the case. Was like,
56:47
Speaker 1: this was the result of a lot of bad things
56:51
Speaker 1: lining up at the same time. And so my hope
56:54
Speaker 1: is that Microsoft doesn't just assume that Arcane is, you know,
56:58
Speaker 1: worthless or something. Although apparently a lot of people have
57:01
Speaker 1: already left the studio. So it's a shame.
57:07
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, on that very sad note, we're gonna end
57:11
Speaker 2: our episode if they want to, if people want to
57:17
Speaker 2: contact us and commiserate on the sadness of that or
57:20
Speaker 2: the happiness of any of the things we've talked about. Otherwise,
57:23
Speaker 2: how should they reach out?
57:24
Speaker 1: Jonathan, Well, what you're gonna need to do is you're
57:27
Speaker 1: gonna need to get yourself a trampoline. I'm gonna go
57:30
Speaker 1: out onto that trampoline and you're gonna get someone to
57:33
Speaker 1: double bounce you. When you get double bounced high enough,
57:36
Speaker 1: you will feel as if you can reach up and
57:38
Speaker 1: touch the clouds. That's exactly what you have to do.
57:41
Speaker 1: You have to touch the clouds. You have to. You
57:44
Speaker 1: have to do it before you fall back down again.
57:47
Speaker 1: You have to. You don't want to know what happens
57:49
Speaker 1: if you don't. You have to touch the cloud and
57:53
Speaker 1: when you do, you'll hear me say good job, buddy.
57:58
Speaker 1: Then you can ask me your questions.
58:01
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58:04
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