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Ep. 101: The Hammer of Steve Rinella · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the me Eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely,
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  Speaker 1: can't predict anything, all right, everyone, We have a like
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  Speaker 1: a boatload boatload of guests. I don't know if you could.
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  Speaker 1: You don't count as a guest, Johnnie. So there's Yanni
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  Speaker 1: and then three, uh, Matt Moyson, who I've known for
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  Speaker 1: twenty years. I think it's more than that. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's more than that. No, yeah, yeah, it's more two years. Fitzgerald,
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  Speaker 1: Jamie Fitzgerald, who I've known for Like, if I've known
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  Speaker 1: Matt for twenty I hadn't known you for twenty five
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  Speaker 1: early college. Jimmy Dorn and I don't know really at all.
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  Speaker 1: Bare what's the pizza with the what's the pizza with
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  Speaker 1: the hot red peppers on it? I don't know the
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  Speaker 1: pizza with the hot red peppers on it? You don't
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  Speaker 1: have a name for that. We have one called the
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  Speaker 1: Carols and that that's pepperoni and hot peppers on it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Jimmy and dor and I just brokered a boat deal.
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  Speaker 1: Broke a boat deal. Excited about our boat deal. I'm
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  Speaker 1: pretty excited about it. I think the terms are completely reasonable.
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  Speaker 1: I think we need to put some terms around it.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, if you break it, you bought it. Now.
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  Speaker 1: First thing I want to get into is we have
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  Speaker 1: a guy like he's like the resident philosopher that never
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  Speaker 1: met him, a dude named Luke Ryan who always writes
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  Speaker 1: in with vexing questions. I want to pull you guys
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  Speaker 1: on a question Luke Ryan had. Luke Ryan says, um,
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  Speaker 1: what one I want to do first? Here's the first one.
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  Speaker 1: If you had to guess, imagine that you're standing on
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  Speaker 1: a patch of public ground, okay, and you're looking at
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  Speaker 1: a deer who's awesome on public ground, but between you
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  Speaker 1: and the deer is private ground. This happened to me
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday. I had this whole scenario go through my
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  Speaker 1: head because we're working a fence and we're looking at
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  Speaker 1: elk and I'm like, they're on private. And then we realized,
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  Speaker 1: we're like, let's get a little closer to make sure.
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  Speaker 1: And then we realized, no, they're not on private, they're
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  Speaker 1: on public. But there's a corner, you know, like there
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  Speaker 1: was coming basically out between the two of us, and
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  Speaker 1: we had to go around that corner. But I kept thinking, well,
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  Speaker 1: what if we get close enough and all of a
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  Speaker 1: sudden I'm pinned. But I'm I still haven't made it
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  Speaker 1: around the corner bullet trespass, I'm gonna have to shoot across. Yeah, so,
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  Speaker 1: but that didn't happen. But I had these exact thoughts. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand who who? I don't even know how
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  Speaker 1: did I also find out you gotta elk without you
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  Speaker 1: having known you gotta? It's been a busy weekend, So
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  Speaker 1: who are you out with? My buddy Brady and I
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  Speaker 1: had a cow tag that was good through the end
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  Speaker 1: of the year, so we're not shout a co out.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't even like tell me about it? I figured I
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  Speaker 1: would today. Well, you know, I found out about but
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  Speaker 1: not in the way I normally like to find out
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  Speaker 1: about stuff. All Right, So here you are, you're yanness. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: just look at your honest you're jest and you're on
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  Speaker 1: public looking at a dear elk. What have you? On public?
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  Speaker 1: But your bullet needs to cross private. Your bullet will
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  Speaker 1: have to trespass to get there. Is that legal or
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  Speaker 1: not legal? Matt? It's perfectly legal. And here's why I
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  Speaker 1: don't I'm saying in a declarative way because it sounds
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  Speaker 1: more convincing. No, did I thought you'd somehow, because you
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  Speaker 1: don't own airspace when you own the land, and that
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  Speaker 1: is what your bullet is traveling through. No, no bootprint,
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  Speaker 1: is no bootprint to be found on that land. Well,
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  Speaker 1: let me, let me, let me address that. Why is it?
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  Speaker 1: Why is it illegal to corner hop because you have
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  Speaker 1: to theoretically place a foot on the really corner hopping.
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  Speaker 1: I know what you I mean, what you understand? Corner
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  Speaker 1: This is another landscape or land issue, ownership issue. Imagine
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  Speaker 1: you got okay, imagine you got two pieces of well,
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  Speaker 1: two squares out. You got two squares and the corners
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  Speaker 1: butt up so the corners are touching. Now, imagine that
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  Speaker 1: those two squares where the corners are touching our public property,
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  Speaker 1: and then the other two squares that would make up
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  Speaker 1: the big square. Am I saying this right? Yeah? Keep going, okay, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Checkerboard situation. Literally, imagine a checkerboard and you're only allowed
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  Speaker 1: to walk on the black spots. The white spots are private,
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  Speaker 1: The black spots on the checkerboard are public. You would
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  Speaker 1: think that you would be able to walk up to
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  Speaker 1: the very tippy corner of a black piece, reach your
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  Speaker 1: foot out and over and land your foot on the
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  Speaker 1: corner of the next black piece and step over to
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  Speaker 1: it and have not trespassed if you're going by what
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  Speaker 1: Matt Moyson is telling you, and that's illegal. That kind
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  Speaker 1: of corner illegal. It's illegal because you're passing through. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how you're passing, right, your body is passing through.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know that the answer is an airspace
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  Speaker 1: issue if you were hunting, but it probably helps because
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  Speaker 1: let's say you were hunting deer with a bowling ball.
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  Speaker 1: You could see a guy saying, hey man, you just
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  Speaker 1: rolled your ball across my property. You can't do that.
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  Speaker 1: And what's senior azing, too, is if you flew an airplane, Well,
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  Speaker 1: at what point is it? Because what at what altitude
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  Speaker 1: does it become private? I don't know. I can't go
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  Speaker 1: hover a drone eighteen inches off your picnic table while
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  Speaker 1: you're eating dinner, are you sure? No? But yeah, alright,
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  Speaker 1: So we need to get this one because I haven't
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  Speaker 1: called that f F a f A, but I do
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  Speaker 1: have some insight. It seems to me that those boundaries
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  Speaker 1: go they go up, all right, I'm gonna this is
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  Speaker 1: a poor analogy, probably, but I'm gonna use it. In
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  Speaker 1: the NFL, in order to determine a touchdown, the football
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  Speaker 1: has to break the plane and that plane goes up.
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  Speaker 1: That's how they use to demarcate an end zone for football.
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  Speaker 1: So to me, it seems I am a sports fan.
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  Speaker 1: Are you a Seahawks fan? Jimmy dorn Is, Holy ship?
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  Speaker 1: Is that kind of Seahawks fan? I got with? I
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  Speaker 1: just don't even I can't agett to understand it. But anyways,
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  Speaker 1: sports fan? So yeah, yeah, So I think that boundary
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  Speaker 1: go your arm can just pass over the end zone.
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  Speaker 1: When your body never touches the end zone, you win.
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  Speaker 1: All you gotta do is have that ball over that
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  Speaker 1: plane which goes up to you know, the heavens. What
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  Speaker 1: if it just passes through and passes back out, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. You cross that plane. That's a turn they crossed,
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  Speaker 1: the plane made and your checkerboard is in three D.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like all those I didn't know the football county.
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  Speaker 1: So you're saying, I get what you're saying, But what
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  Speaker 1: about the bullet? Yeah, I think if that bullet passes
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  Speaker 1: the plane using that same analogy, then it's that bullet
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  Speaker 1: is on private land for however long it takes to
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  Speaker 1: travel across. But do private laws apply to bullets? I
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  Speaker 1: would think so, because the bullet can from some from
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  Speaker 1: an operator, right from somebody making the decision to shoot
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  Speaker 1: across that private land. Jimmy dor um, Well, it depends,
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  Speaker 1: like everything else in life. I don't know. I've spend
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  Speaker 1: I suppose looking at from both sides of the question.
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  Speaker 1: If you know, if I'm the private landowner, am I
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  Speaker 1: gonna be want somebody throwing at six round across my property?
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  Speaker 1: Probably not, But we're not asking you what you want,
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  Speaker 1: we're asking well, I kind of try to answer it.
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  Speaker 1: Or if if I was the guy and I was
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  Speaker 1: in that situation, I would put myself on the other
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  Speaker 1: guy's shoes and go, that might piss me off? Or
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  Speaker 1: you know, how big is it? You know what's the
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  Speaker 1: ramifications of my decision making? I don't know. I would
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  Speaker 1: say it's probably not kosher, and I try to figure
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  Speaker 1: out a way to just get around the private Is
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  Speaker 1: that the answer? Jimmy's answer is predicated on how big
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  Speaker 1: For permission or forgiveness, it's a lot easier to ask
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  Speaker 1: for permission in my experiences. Oh, speaking of that real quick,
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  Speaker 1: can we can you talk about the the guy you
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  Speaker 1: harvest wheat for and what happened with that buck on
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  Speaker 1: the bloody of mine? There was not not the guys
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  Speaker 1: that I work with. That story all wrong. That's great. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he caught somebody. Uh yeah, sure we can tell a story.
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  Speaker 1: I tell I won't name names. So it wasn't the
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  Speaker 1: guy you h assist with his agricultural operation. Just another
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  Speaker 1: a buddy, another guy that lives in town. And uh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they're you know, there was a few deer on his
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  Speaker 1: place that he had seen and then lo and behold
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  Speaker 1: there was a pickup truck that didn't belong there, which
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  Speaker 1: is how anybody thinks you can get away anything past
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  Speaker 1: the farmer in their area. It's just stupid. And I
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  Speaker 1: mean the fact that someone would think that he would
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  Speaker 1: not yeah, that it would go unnoticed. And then you
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  Speaker 1: know they had seen this buck and it was an
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  Speaker 1: absolute monster of a deer. I'll show you a photo
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  Speaker 1: on a bit and uh, you know, all of a
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  Speaker 1: sudden he hears bang and he's like wait a minute,
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  Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, because he thought possibly they were
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  Speaker 1: gonna be hunting coyotes, bouch and he thought and then
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  Speaker 1: where he heard it coming from. He's like, no, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna run over there and see if they just shot
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  Speaker 1: that deer that I was saving, because he was actually
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  Speaker 1: saving it first kid. And of course he went over
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  Speaker 1: there and they were down the bottom. The coolie quickly
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  Speaker 1: feel dressing it, and he went down and you know,
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  Speaker 1: read him the riot Act and uh, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: then they threw themselves on the sword. You mean He's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't you know, he started this story which he
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  Speaker 1: didn't think he was trespassing, but you know, he knew
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  Speaker 1: full well he was trespassed. And then it devolved into
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  Speaker 1: the that's the biggest year I ever saw in my life.
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  Speaker 1: I also hate telling stories like this too, because you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's like that told three stories down the line, how
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  Speaker 1: all the facts gonna change. But anyways, uh so he
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  Speaker 1: tried out the idea that he wasn't trespassing, and but
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  Speaker 1: he had to jump a fence, so it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: hard to say. I didn't know that that fence wasn't
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  Speaker 1: there for a reason. So then it became it was
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  Speaker 1: just so big. He's like kitting yeah, and then yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and the deer was so big. I don't know what happened,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And he's like, all right, we'll get the
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  Speaker 1: heck out of here. But then he had called the
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  Speaker 1: sheriff and Fishing Game and they came and they took
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  Speaker 1: everything and wrote to a bunch of tickets, and fishing
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  Speaker 1: Game ended up with a big, really big deer. I
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  Speaker 1: guess on what I've seen in the area in a while.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to tell too many details of this
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  Speaker 1: because I don't it's best not no, no, not your thing.
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  Speaker 1: A whole different story. My brother, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: he knows of him, or knows knows him, or knows
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  Speaker 1: of him. But there's a feller who poached the buck.
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  Speaker 1: And the buck got confiscated by the State Fishing Game Agency,
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  Speaker 1: and the State Fishing Game Agency, as they often do,
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  Speaker 1: have it mounted and they hang it in a game office,
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  Speaker 1: right and you know, like a lot of times you
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  Speaker 1: go into game office that I've seen a lower place,
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  Speaker 1: and they'll have all these animals up like like exemplary specimens,
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  Speaker 1: and with them is like the story of how they
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  Speaker 1: were confiscated or whatever. Hit by a car, hm, you know, poacher,
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  Speaker 1: as they caught, and this buck carries the name of
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  Speaker 1: the tells the story of the poaching case. My brother
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  Speaker 1: says that this guy is still so proud of that
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  Speaker 1: buck that he takes friends down to fishing game. Takes
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  Speaker 1: friends down the fishing game to show them the buck.
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  Speaker 1: He was okay with the fine. Wow, it's like a
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  Speaker 1: matter of fact, I got a nice buck. If you'd
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  Speaker 1: like to take a ride down to the fishing game.
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  Speaker 1: He's not. You can't touch it. Yeah, they confiscated it,
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  Speaker 1: confiscated everything, and then wrote him a whole bunch of tickets.
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  Speaker 1: And then one of the fellas that was involved wasn't
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be uh access in firearms, and that apparently
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  Speaker 1: he got in a bunch of trouble. So I love
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  Speaker 1: that story. Yanni, were you did you meet this guy?
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about. I'll tell you then
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  Speaker 1: you're telling you met him. I was talking to a
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  Speaker 1: warden who is watching one of those phony um one
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  Speaker 1: of those phony Alaska shows, Alaska hunting shows, and he's
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  Speaker 1: watching an episode and there's a scene in there where
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna go out and shoot some caribou, and the
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  Speaker 1: dad is making a big deal about how he's gonna
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  Speaker 1: let his daughter do the shooting, and it's just the
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  Speaker 1: warden watching. It just didn't like he says. He just
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  Speaker 1: didn't strike me like the kind of guy who, in
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  Speaker 1: this moment of cameras rolling and everything, is not gonna
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  Speaker 1: just want the glory. And it seems strange to him.
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  Speaker 1: He said, I'm sitting there watching and I'm thinking that
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  Speaker 1: guy's gotta be a felon and can't be on camera
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  Speaker 1: with that damn gun. Oh, and Colson turns up exactly right. Right,
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  Speaker 1: Uh So, how did you vote? No? Or you don't
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  Speaker 1: know or it depends or something like that. Shooting bullets
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  Speaker 1: private property? No, I wouldn't do it. You're like, you're
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  Speaker 1: not answering the question though you realize what exactly do
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  Speaker 1: I think it not legal? You're yeah, I'm gonna say
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  Speaker 1: that it's illegal. Okay, fair enough already know the answer.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know because I was on the email
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  Speaker 1: chain too. Legal. It's legal, legal, no, kid, Yeah, don't
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  Speaker 1: get excited. I don't know. I don't think. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think it's your airspace thing. What is it? It just
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  Speaker 1: says it's not illegal, it's not unlawful. No, I put
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  Speaker 1: this to an investigator and Idaho. Every state is different,
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  Speaker 1: so he says, I can only speak to here. He says,
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  Speaker 1: it's not unlawful to shoot from public to public over private. Well,
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  Speaker 1: here's the doozy same thought. The resident philosopher Luke Grin
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  Speaker 1: writes in to say this. You're in a state where
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  Speaker 1: you're not allowed to bait deer or put out mineral attractans.
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  Speaker 1: What's wrong? Fits? I think I know where you're going
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  Speaker 1: with this. But oh please, no, I just shooting across
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  Speaker 1: state line where you can do that. No, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: we're done. We're shooting bait. So yeah, this is a
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  Speaker 1: good one though. I like that. So you're in a
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  Speaker 1: state where it is unlawful debate or use any kind
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  Speaker 1: of mineral attracting to hunt big game. But has anyone
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  Speaker 1: who's wandered around out in the woods nose. Ranchers who
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  Speaker 1: are running cattle have to put out supplements for livestock.
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  Speaker 1: So here you have where a rancher has out a
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  Speaker 1: salt lick or a supplement lick for his cattle, but
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  Speaker 1: it's illegal to put it out for critters. And you
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  Speaker 1: realize that elk are in fact using this legally placed supplement.
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  Speaker 1: Are you allowed to shoot deer? Oh, it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: Are you allowed to hunt over that legally placed supplement
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  Speaker 1: which was not intended as an attractive To add a
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  Speaker 1: little flavor to this, I'll point this out. In states
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  Speaker 1: where you're not allowed to bait for bears, there's often
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  Speaker 1: a lot of questions around what if I shoot an
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  Speaker 1: elk and I got the elk? Or keep talking about
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  Speaker 1: let's say shoot a deer and up the deer, and
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  Speaker 1: then the next day I wake up when there's a
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  Speaker 1: bear eating the deer and I shoot it. Have I
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  Speaker 1: baited bears or not? We can get to that. But
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  Speaker 1: that's his color to this broader thing, the mineral lick thing.
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  Speaker 1: Matt me first, you know, if you if you feel
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  Speaker 1: like you're being unfairly picked out. No, No, it's a challenge. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, so I number one, I'm not sure
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  Speaker 1: actually the answer, But I would say that that is illegal,
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  Speaker 1: And I would say I feel like when I've read
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  Speaker 1: regulations that talk about the legality of using bait, using
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  Speaker 1: an attractant, they talk about having it be illegal to
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  Speaker 1: hunt over bait like they I don't think they talk
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  Speaker 1: about placing the attractive. I think they talk about it
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  Speaker 1: in terms of it being illegal to hunt over a
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  Speaker 1: placed bait or mineral attracting whatever, But I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. That's great, that's great, But I want
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  Speaker 1: to add this coloru into the color Okay, and the
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  Speaker 1: bear thing. If you're in a non bait state, but
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  Speaker 1: there's a dead animal land there, you could shoot the bear. Now,
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  Speaker 1: if you shot a deer and dragged that gut pile
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  Speaker 1: ten ft over to get out in the little opening
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  Speaker 1: where you could spy on it from afar, that's baiting.
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  Speaker 1: So do you think if you as long as you
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  Speaker 1: don't touch that mineral lick, as long as you did
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  Speaker 1: not manipulate it, an I know the answer. I know
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  Speaker 1: the answer for the person I put it to an idol. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I would, I would, just but bear in mind the
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  Speaker 1: stuff we're talking about about, Like that you um, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that you shot the deer and the next day come
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  Speaker 1: by there's a burying the deer. You didn't do anything
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  Speaker 1: to manipulate, Like you shot the deer legally, gout of
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  Speaker 1: the deer, left the guts where they were. Bear happens
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  Speaker 1: to turn up on it, right, I'm real hesitant about
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  Speaker 1: this one. I would I would be inclined to say
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  Speaker 1: that's probably not legal. It's an artificial attractment. It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: matter who put it there, That's my guess. Fitzgerald, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think I guess the same. I don't know, but
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  Speaker 1: it seems that if there's going to be enforceable regulations,
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  Speaker 1: then AND AND agencies are not gonna want to get
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  Speaker 1: into the matter of intention. Yeah, so I think that
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  Speaker 1: they would try to make it as cut and dry
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  Speaker 1: as possible. And if plus, I think they would probably
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  Speaker 1: be relying on hunters, you know, understanding that that salt
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  Speaker 1: lick that was there for a cattle is going to
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  Speaker 1: attract game. So it's the hunter's responsibility to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: resist that urge. But again, do I guess you know
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  Speaker 1: what happen to me one time? I do, well, a
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  Speaker 1: different time, not that you know what happened me one
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: time that you don't know what happened. I don't. I know,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: you don't. I was, oh, funnally, Yeah, I was in
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Idaho and I was talking with two other guys and
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I didn't have a tag, but they did. And one
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: day it was raining real bad and they didn't want
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: to go out in the rain. So I went out
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: on a little walk about to see what I could see.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: And I get about two miles from our camp and
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: lo and behold, I coming down this trail like a
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: seldom used trail. But I look and standing in a
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: place and just just not expecting to see it where
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: it felt extremely out of place. It's just a bull
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: standing there looking at me, and like the first thing
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: to start in my mind is like kind of you
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: in your head, like how something's gonna happen. I just
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: didn't like, it's just just rare to be walking out
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: trail also as a bull, just like watching you right
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: in a very heavily hunted area. So I hauled ask back.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I got one of the guys inspired him to and
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: then we go back and it's gone. But then I
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: started thinking so much about what was that thing doing there?
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: And I walked over and it was lick salt like
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: SALTI for yeah, I actually had it in my head.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: It was like like it's a not a heavily used trail.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I kind of had in my head that it might
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: have been placed possibly it just it wasn't like kind
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: of like where you'd you know, usually you're gonna put
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: salt licks for animals, kind of like an area where
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: live stocks actually gonna hang around, you know, shade trees
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: out in like grazing areas. It just makes some sense.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Just was not like and I think it usually placed
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: two in places where they're trying to congregate the animals,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: like by a gate, you'll put a block so that
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: you know, when you come around a week later, you
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: can then push the cattle through the gate by a
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: gate or by water or something that just yeah, this
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: just didn't look like if I was ranching cattle, which
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I don't do, but if I was, and I was like,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go, you know, helped the herd out with
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: a lick, as I wouldn't go, like dump it where
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: this thing was dumped. It could have been a bad rancher. Yeah,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: he could have been not good at running cattle. So anyway,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I could have very easily had I been holding the tag,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I would have shot the bull and I would have
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: walked over and he'd been laying out salt, dead on salt. Look,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: you didn't see this. You can't see it when you
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: first encountered the bull. No, I I didn't see it
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: till I walked. It was burning at me so much
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: that just something was so unusual about his position that
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I went over there and sure enough that's what was going.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Uh So I could have like I would have. Who knows.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: We haven't got to the end. Yes, we don't know
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: if I'd have been an accidental poach or not. Jimmy Doran,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with what fits said to you. I'd
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: say it's hunter's responsibility to know. And yeah, no, no, yes.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: In Idaho, it says, and yeah, you already knows. You
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: read the unit. Our friend, Eir Crawford says, as for
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: the salt baiting question, our rule states the following. This
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: is an idahole. No person shall take big game animals
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: as outlined in this section with any bait, including grain, salt,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: and any form liquid or solid, or any other substance,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: not to include liquid scent, to constitute an attraction or enticement.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: He says, in Idaho and Idaho it would be illegal.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Never mind that it is probably an ethical fairchase issue
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: as well, So they gold duke grind. They would have
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: to prove the intent, though, like you were saying, because
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: if you've never been to an area, right, and you
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: pop up there at first light and there's a herd
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: and you knock one down, and you walk over there
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: in the meadow and you realize that there's five salt lakes.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: How could it really be your fault? Right? Yeah, I'm
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: taking out with a quarter if I get a ticket. Yeah,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: they'll call me for a witness and I'll be like, oh,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Dors talking all about the salt like alright, boat privileges.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: How he was gonna act like he didn't know what
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: was there. He had someone else order the mental rock
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: for him. Um, you honest to get back real quick?
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Can you finish talking about so? So you went out
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: and got this, You got a cow. We guys hunt.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: You guys are hunting on public property. Of it's kind
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: of a hodgepodge spot. But I found the spox. I
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: was deer hunting there a couple of years ago. A
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: cross the drainage and I know what you're talking about. Yeah,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: and one like morning, like across the drainage, it just
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: sounds like a war zone, you know. I'm like, oh
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: my god, I glass over there and there's orange everywhere
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: and elk flopping everywhere, and I'm like, man should have
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: been there, I guess this morning, you know, and all
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: day long from where I'm sitting, I can hear him,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: and I can see dudes with sleds and horses and
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: in and out and work in this trail. It's probably
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: only like a mile and a half, you know from
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: the truck, and uh, by like midday, they all either
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: got their elk out, and I continue to glass for deer,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: and like at three pm, a glass back down that
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: meadow and there's cow elk filtering back out in the meadow. Like,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on down there, but I'm
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: gonna go get mine down there. And so I came
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: out the next weekend and uh they were right in there,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: killed the cow. And so yeah, buddy of mine hiked
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: in Saturday morning and uh, perfect morning, man, like just
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: started snow in the night before and we had we've
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: had zero snow in Montana and anything we had is melted,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: so we had probably two or three inches of fresh
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: and uh we get up to where we should be
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: able to see the elk and don't see him for
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: about ten or fifteen minutes, just long enough from like
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: what's playing be gonna be like, do we just go
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: for the big power loop or we're gonna turn around
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: and go home? And um, right there and there, we're
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: just kind of being dumb hunters. Were out on a
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: pretty exposed ridge at this point, and you know, hands up,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: our butts and our fingers and boots and uh, what's
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: that's an expression? Yeah, we're not not not paying attention.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: And I glass over kind of just just out of
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: my prifery where I wasn't really wasn't expecting to be,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: just kind of into the trees a little bit. And
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: there's accountable, which was the oddest thing, right because it's
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: middle of December and you're expecting to see like a
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: minimum of a dozen cows together, right and if you
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: see maybe just an animal or twould be like two bowls.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: But to just see a cow and a bowl together
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: struck us as odd. But like they're actually in love.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: It's not just like most elk is just sex. Just September.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: So that's a life partner issue there. Ye, well I
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: didn't help that out put him back on the market. Um,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: but yeah, we just snuck right in there. And even
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I think season has been closed for three weeks now
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: in Montana. So I was expecting to have some chill
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: elk and you know, they'd be out feeding late snowy morning,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: and then this cow was definitely like moving towards the timber,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: moving towards the timber, and we had to hustle a
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: little bit to get within rifle range before she got
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: back on to private. So not what was the dude
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: your hunting was doing? Just came along? Oh he wasting? No, no, no, sorry,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: just not not shooting, just hunting. We're just enjoying the hunt. Yeah,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: it's perfect, man, We got her out in two trips. Um.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know what else say about it. It was,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: you know, easy, It's just I've just had my feelings
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: hurt that I had to find out about it by
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: reading a text chain between you and and Kevin Murphy
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: the world's Greatest small game hunt. Yeah, well he was
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: piling it on. Man. That dude has been all across
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: North America shooting. Dude, if you get into a text
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: message war with Kevin Murphy about who's been doing what, yeah,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: it's hard to come out on top. Um Fitzgerald. So
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: you only get to be here because you only because
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: you went on you finally after all the years I've known.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: You know, you could have been on because you're an
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: avid angler. For an angler, I think that would get
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: me get me passage onto the show. You could have
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: been on because you're an angler, but you only recently,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Like why you only are you went on your first
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: hunting trip. Can you explain to me what? Why? Like
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: why not before? But why all of a sudden? Now? Well,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: I actually did used to hunt when I was in
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: probably like nineteen twenty, but it was like deer camp
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: hunting off North Michigan. My cousin owned a place like
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: forty acres up in Fife Lake. Oh dude, I know
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: five Lake Will. I know that's where Matt drosslives and
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: uh so I would go up there during the fall,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: you know, once one weekend of every fall and try
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: to go get a deer. In fact, the first time
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: I ever went hunting, I was walking out to my
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: tree stand, had my rightfle on my shoulder, and I
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: was probably it was like you know, four three in
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: the morning, come walking around a bend and there is
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: an eight point buck just standing right there and my
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: guns on my shoulder. So I'm thinking like, man, this
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: is this is it? Uh, it's easy. So I take
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: the gun on my shoulder and as soon as we do,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: things gone. So I was like, well, I'm bound to
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: see another one here soon. I see twenty years a
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: lifetime pass. Uh. There's there's a writer. There's a gun writer,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: David petzel Um, who has a line where he says, uh, Now,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: he's an interesting figure because he's like a gun writing columnist.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: But he's also but he's kind of weirdly infatuated with
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: like celebrity, who's famous? Do they deserve being famous? Stuff
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: like that? And doesn't Isn't he the one that kind
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: of plays like the grumpy gunwriter? Yeah? Like he um,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: he has a he has a what one would call
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: it stick, which is probably Yiddish, right, think he has
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: a stick of it being a he's a grumpy guy,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: like a grumpy old man, but he's aware of things
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: that grumpy old man aren't aware of, Like he has
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: big opinions about like Miley Cyrus. So like the normal
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: like grumpy old man that I know. If I went
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: and said, hey, man, what's your take on what Miley
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Cyrus has been up too lately? They would look at
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: you like right, yeah, crazy right? So it's like this weird,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: grumpy old man thing where you're sort of like real
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: hip to pop culture but hate it, but you got
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: a lot to say about it anyhow. He says slings
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: have saved more animals than Peter Slings like rifle sling rifles.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, you know, because you don't know if you
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: remember your story you just told us a minute ago.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I did. I forgot that he's an outdoor life for field. Yeah,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: very good writer, who is very funny. But it's just
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: like he's a it's a complex sort of things he's
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: got going on, like the intolerant grumpy old man slash
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: pop culture critic, which is actually like something you can
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: really develop. I was just gonna say, it sounds interesting.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: We might want to see what we can get him
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: on to talk about it. Yeah, I would like that.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Can you ask him if he just always carries his
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: rifle like this out in both hands. Yeah, slings save
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: animals if they save shoulder arms? Man, Like, what do
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: you when you're climbing around? I think that what I
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: think that the real lesson there? Well, you know you
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: look at pictures of you know, this will help you
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: look at like the Africa guys, the professional hunters, the
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: phs in Africa, they don't use slings. There is carried
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: over there. They don't carry their guns either. Well, no,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: the pH does. He'll have his gun over his shoulder,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: but he's also fifty yards from the truck hunting flat
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: ground and there's a lot of danger stuff. They can
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: stomp you. I mean, you know it's he spin back
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: around and set it on the truck. But yeah, they
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: don't use them for that reason. I think that you
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: could be Yanni is not tell him to give everyone
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: your thoughts about slings, Johnnie, if we're gonna get back
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: to you for years. But I went through a phase
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: of not carrying one for that reason. Readiness. Yeah did
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: you really? Yeah? Yeah? And as I got it enough guys,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I mean it only happened a handful of time. Is
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: but that would even be prepping them, like, hey, we're
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: about to come over our eyes. Good chance it's gonna
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: be you know, something ahead of us here. Maybe you
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: should be ready, and maybe I should just said take
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: the gun off your shoulder and you know, carry it
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: in a field ready position. I didn't, but yeah, we'd
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: peek over and there's that bowl looking at you like
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: there is and you know, as they get their sling
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: off pieces out. So but you know, one of the
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: things we've gotten so kind of like paranoid about safety
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: and stuff that I usually don't even have a round chamber.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: So the least my problems is having the thing on
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: my shoulder. You know, it's funny. I mean I never
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: even considered it, Like, I never considered the sling as
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: being a uh, having an impact on readiness. It would
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: just never occurred to me. It's pretty fast. It's a
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: good point. But yeah, if you walked around with it
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: up against shoulder all time, crack off, there's a time
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: and place, you know, Like I'll put on my backpack
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: if it's dark. I don't really put on my backpack.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Any chance of seeing it if my gun's on my
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: backpack is because my tag is punched or it's pitch black. Right.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: I hate that feeling. But you've gotta be able to
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: recognize like when you're sort of again to use my
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: expression from earlier, but like kind of like Didley dialing
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: and not paying attention not haut and then you're going
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: down a trail and you just go, man, it's a
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: good chance that something could be just standing here in
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: any moment and get the rifle off your shoulder and
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: just remember everybody taught they taught that. What do they
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: call that? It is called like the cross field field carry, right, Yeah, uh,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: stone stone glacier. They got the pack thing. You ever
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: see this? Yeah? I have it? Ever really stuck that.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I just go like, no, no, no, no, that's not
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: where there's but you know what you're talking about. What
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: your quick draw if they have one where you look
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: it to your pack. But there's this little tab so
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: it rides behind your shoulder. It's it's vertical, You're right,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: is vertical behind your shoulders strapped to your pack like
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: total hands free. There's this little tab. You can kind
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: of like talk into your shoulder strap or whatever. And
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: when you pop that tab, it's like you're pulling a parachute.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: You pop that tab and your rifles free. Really does
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: it come down into like a like a field ready, No,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: it's like you pop it. Then you kind of reach
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: over your shoulder and grab the barrel or whatever, grab
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: the stock or barrel. Everyone just lifted out of the
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, I would like to see that work, because yeah,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I have a hard time imagining that's what is? Why
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: is How's that better than a sling. It's not better sling.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: It's worse than a sling. Oh, I thought you would
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: arguing this for having no total hands free. Well, it's
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: better in the sense that, like even a sling requires
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: some care, you know, every couple of minutes. And so
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: this is like intermediate. It's either in your pack and
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: for all intents and purposes, you have no gun. Right,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: this is like halfway between. Yes, okay, okay, I got it.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: It's like, man, this is a long ship hike. Yeah,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: and I'm always whatever need in my hands two take
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: leaks and open gates and whatnot. And you just put
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: the thing on there and then but if I have to,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I'll pull that ripcord. Yeah, I've done it, and I
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: keep my ripcord handy. I haven't. I've never had to
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: do a quick release. But everybody's fits there. You never
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: got a dear as a kid, never got DearS kid,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: No hunting up fife light you guys hunting bait. Uh
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: some years and then some years now because your cousin
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: you know a little piece of land like forty acres
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: up there, you head hunter safety Yep. The other time
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: that I went hunting, not that long ago, up on
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: San Juan Island with Chef Andy. We were hunting those
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: chef chefoot. We were hunting those uh those are Columbia
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: black tail up there right. So you know you can
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: only use a shotgun on San Juan. So I had
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: a shotgun and I had I was probably fifty yards
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: from a little buck and I had it lined up,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: pulled the sugar gun. Misfiredn't it's not used here, I
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: swear to God, and nothing took off. So I need help, man,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I'm here for help. We'll know if we're gonna get
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: to your successful hunt. I know I want to get
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: a deer. I want to get in fact, yeah, hearing
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: about Matt's you know Elk hunt a couple of weeks ago.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I want to get over in Montana maybe with your brother.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: You get inspired by that. I did get inspired by that.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: So did the firing pin. It's not hit. It must
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: it must have, because yeah, because then we went somewhere
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: else and you know, I react and shot it. We're fine.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know. You guys tried to hunt your on
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: sand One I own. Yeah, this is about five years ago. Oh,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: I do remember this, so so you have Dilly daily. Yep,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: I have. Now, I don't want to say where it was.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: We're gonna say that you were just beyond the fact
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: that it was in North Dakota. Beyond the fact that
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: it was North Dakota. Um, don't get in any great
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: special specifics, but talk about your impressions of turkey hunting.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: It was. It was so fun. I mean, it was
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: the most interactive kind of you know, game experience I've
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: ever had. I mean with fishing. I don't fly fish,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: so I know that's a lot more physical and interactive,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: and you're reading things differently. Oh, they'd sure like to
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: think it is that unless you want to go down
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: a real different path. Yeah, I've done it, but yeah, sure, yeah.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, so, you know, with the walking out in
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: the woods, looking around, making those calls and then all
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: of a sudden hearing that response is just one of
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: the most exhilarating outdoor experiences I've ever had. And then
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: you know, posting up, putting decoys there, and then calling
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: him in and just what you know, the first day
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: we were there only about four hours and Matt called
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: in a big tom and just to kind of see
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: that thing, you know, a hundred yards out coming in
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: through the willow, and then all of a sudden he
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: got closer, you know, big plume goes up. I mean
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: it's just one of the most exciting things I've ever
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: seen outside and that that was and Pooter got him.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: So then the next day we went out early in
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: the morning and the same kind of setup, just walking
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: around the woods. Got a call posted up. Yep, and
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: it didn't take long either. You know what they call that,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: they call that spring thunder? Spring thunder? Yeah, what are
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: they calling the fall? They don't go. I mean some
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: dorks gonna write in about how they do go hobble
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: in the fall, and they do, but not like they're
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: do in the spring. Spring. They're fired up. Yeah, as
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: they gobble in the spring, as will Primo says, they're
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: out there saying this is my time of year in
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: the spring. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was incredible. It
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: was incredible. Yeah, I got a jake the next day.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: It was also the first time I've ever seen a
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: turkey fly. That was interesting, really impressive. Were you where
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: they could fly? I knew they could fly? What are
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: they like? A gallanaceous bird? Right, And I knew they
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: could fly, but they can't fly along, right, They don't
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: fly a long distances. But just to see him fly
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: like they were, they were much more agile than I
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: than I would have expected. Yeah, I would never accuse
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: him of loving to fly. Yeah, powerful flyers. I mean
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: as far as just like the amount of energy and
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: noise and just like uh yeah, when they take flight.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: It's not a subtle thing. Now, you know, you know
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: what you like fl you know what you're like walking
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: through the woods and and like a grouse will scare
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: you to death, like a turkey is would would put
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: you in your grave. I mean they it sounds like
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: somebody shooting at you. You know when the one of
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: those things takes off. You know, me and my boy
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: were out Jimmy were out there on Sunday when I
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: took a little look for some small game and he
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: had his first getting the ship scared out and by
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: a rough grouse. But it blew out of a tree
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: about head high. But still the same fact. It's super surprising.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: So that so here it comes and you level off
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: on him. Well, that jay got in close. He was
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: in god probably, I mean it seemed like ten yards.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: He was right, he was right there, maybe even closer.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: I mean he was. He was super close and U
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: coming right up to that decoy. And so this is
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: the first time you've ever fired a shot because you've
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: tried one, you screwed up because you're sling. Then you
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: had your I would argue that you did something wrong
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: with your shotgun. I would I would respectfully disagree, but
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I no way to tell. Can we fack out to
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: the shotgun question real quick? I don't want it? Well,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: did you look at the primer? Was the primer dimpled?
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: I was gonna ask that. Was there a strike mark
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: on the primer? There was? All right, right, but not
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: even You know, it's funny we're muzzlower hunting is here
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: in in Maryland and I heard a guy off the
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: swamp half a have we're just a cap? Have just
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: either the pan or the cap? What time? It's like
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: you know you're hearing right now, and then like boom,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: you know this thing's allowed right, it's like real like
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: And also went off the swab here where the guy's
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: cat went off in a dignite. It was like prime time.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: It was like this dude was shooting at a dude
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: was definitely shooting. It was like he was just getting
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: rid of the so um any feelings of remorse or anything, like,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: what was your emotion? Pure, pure exhilaration, just you know, Well,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I was nervous because I was like, all right, I
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: felt like the twenty year weight of history on my shoulders,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: right because I've had to, like, you know, two experiences.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Do you just refer to it as your slump buster? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: for sure, Yeah I will now for sure. But yeah,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: it was, I know, it felt, it felt incredible. It
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: was wild, like how active that bird was after it
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: gets shot. Oh, just I mean they don't flailing. And
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: then you know, it was with Matt and we ran
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: over there and he basically jumps on the bird and
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: pushing all the air out of it. I guess is
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: that what he's saying. Yeah, and uh yeah, no, no
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: feelings are remorse at all. It was it was. It was, yeah,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: one of the most exciting outdoor experience I ever had.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: You probably realize this. It might be counterintuitive to some folks,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: but that flailing is a is a way for you
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: to see just how dead it is. Mhm. Because like,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: the more you know, for people who haven't a turkey
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: when you shoot a turkey shooting and it generally like
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: if you had with the shotgun and shooting in the
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: head with a shotgun, and well when you chop the
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: head off a chicken, off the chop about chicken. Yeah,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: So when you see that like really just explode, like
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: fluttering and jumping around. I don't look at that and
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, he's gonna get away. It's more like,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: oh man, he's dead or and dead. I would prefer
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: it though, because they do sometimes just fold their wings
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: up and just lay over. You don't always get a
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: flop kind as they do just kind of just literally
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: fold their wings and tip over. But because a couple
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: of times I have seen it where it's like the
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: flop and they keep getting a little farther away and
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: they flop and all of a sudden they're flopping, but
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: they're on their legs and you're like shooting in any
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: flopping that is them going whatever they're doing, but they're
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: going the other way. I take that as a very
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: bad sign. Oh yeah, that's different than what I'm talking about.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: What I'm talking about is that because they have him,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: it's not a clean well he's got what okay, like
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: but degree circle, what are the there's right a three
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: sixty degree circle, and if he's picking that like fifteen
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: degree band that's directly away from me, I'm like, that
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: feels to me like, um, sure he could be doing
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: a general flop or there could be more to this,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: and the fact that he's coincidentally chosen the opposite direction
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: to do that in I get like real nervous, But
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: I don't think they look that different for a second,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's what I'm saying, Like
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: general protocol is like pull the segger. As soon as
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: he's like flopping or whatever's going on, I'm up on
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: my feet and gaining some grounds. You'll never be glad
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: that you didn't run over there. There's no like pro
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: to not running over there. All I'm really trying to
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: say is birds flop around a whole bunch as evans by.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: If you've ever dispatched chickens, It doesn't mean that he's
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: like kind of still alive, that's all. Yeah, But no
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: bad feelings, No, No, it did surprise me the day
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: before when Peoter got that Tom how fast Matt was
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: running towards that bird. Once Pewter shot like exactly like
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: you said, you honest, like he was sprint into that bird.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: That surprised me. I wasn't expecting that, but I lost
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: the turkey. Ones hit him, assumed that he was down
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: and didn't get older fast enough. We were on a
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: very steep slope and he pitched off that slope and
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: just vanished. Really, you couldn't even begin to go look
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: for him. What was down the slope like a thick
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: some big mountainside. Oh oh jeez, and he like went down.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I got a turkey. The thing
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: took two steps and it was a steep pitch, like
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: I said, took two steps, pitched off that hill and
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: it was just just gone. Now only one time I've
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: seen one shot that covered ground faster than anything I've
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: ever seen, Like my buddy Eddie shot too, and the
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: second one was only winged or whatever. And that thing vanished.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: I mean it, I saw it running when we couldn't
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: throw down on it, and I was just like, I
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: was pretty impressed with its track abilities. I mean that
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: thing was yeah, tootles, you never found him, never found it.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Did not look and actually just you know, miss Aim
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: because if you don't hit him in the head of
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: the neck and he just body shoot to mean you
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: just get that big puff of feathers. I mean, you
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: might have a few pellets that we've their way in there,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: but a lot of times not lethal fits. Were you
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: field questions about your wife? Uh? Yeah, Can I hear
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: some first before I decided your wife? Your wife eats seafood.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: She does doesn't like red meat. Would she have eaten
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: the turkey you shot? Probably not. The only time she's
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: eaten meat in the last fift twenty years was in
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Montana when we were helping out at your brother's wedding
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: making all that elk Ravioli and she accidentally ate one.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Now she she's like, I guess maybe just we just
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: worked too hard in that kitchen, and she's like, screw it,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat one. Yeah, she didn't. She liked it,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: but I don't think she would eat the turkey, but
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: she likes to eat fish. M hmm. What what do
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: you think is going on there? I understand it, yeah,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: I mean not not. Yeah, It's like, you know, I've
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: known people like that in my whole life. She's known
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: at a very young age that meat was not for her,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Like she was a kid, you know who was complaining
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: to her parents about anything that was meat at the table,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: and it was just a you know, it's just it's
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: just a essential part of who she is. Meanwhile, you
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: have a shirt on that's a meat chart over cow.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: I like meat. So you feel that the turkey wasn't
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: gonna it probably wouldn't. No, I probably wouldn't do it.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: Maybe if I got a bigger animal, maybe maybe maybe.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: I mean she's eating milk. So so do you picture
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: now that you will go on more outings, more hunting trips.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: I would like to. Yeah, I would definitely like to. Um,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: you know, part of the reason that I haven't done
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: it regularly is that I feel like I've always kind
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: of been a little out of my element doing it.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: You know, I didn't grow up hunting. I didn't have
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: like a you know, a brother who took me hunting
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: or anything like that, or even friends until I met
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: you guys were and uh so you know, it wasn't
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: something that I felt I had a lot of agency
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: to do on my own. And uh, you know, it's
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: like do you ever play poker or a black jack
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: at a at a casino. Yes, no, because I feel
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: too out of my owner exactly like you don't want
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: to screw up everybody's else's you know, game, right, And
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: I kind of feel I felt like that way for
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: a long time about hunting. I don't want to go
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: out there and mess up somebody else's situation. Yeah, that's
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: a good analogy, man, because I'd like to play black jack,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: or used to not like, but we would play black
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: jack at two dollar tables because you go there and
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: everybody at the table sucks. But then when you go
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: on your with serious players, right, you become like very
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: self aware at black jack, Like how do you say,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: like all these guys suck, suck at what okay? Deciding
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: if you hit or st and that they have like
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: real set opinions about stuff out what you stay on.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: So like you could be playing black jack and I'm
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: not like dr black Jack. But there are people who
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: are suspicious enough for irrational enough to be that if
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: you took a hit, that's illogical, that you have disturbed
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: the cosmos and have robbed them of the card that
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: would have been theirs, and it will be mad at
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: you because if you knew what you were doing, you'd
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: have known to never take that hit. Therefore you have
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: offset this thing that was in motion between the stars
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: and the universe. And so what you're saying is those
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: are tables. Like it's not that the people suck, it's
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: that the odds that somebody's gonna come play at that
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: table who sucks and messes it up for everybody else
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: is higher. Like you could you could have people. I mean,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: when I sit down, if I was gonna sit at
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: one of those tables, and I have to go to
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Las Vegas every year for work one and I always
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: really bad want to do it. You want to go
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: play black time? Yeah, but like fits where I feel
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: like I will take too long. I don't really understand
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: when to do what that they'll have some irrational blow
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: hard get like pissed about something I did, and and
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: and because it doesn't really really mean that much to me,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: I just sometimes don't unless I see a table where
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: no one's there, or I'm with a couple of buddies
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: of mine, Like last year, me and Yanni threw down
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: for a long time because we just had our own
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: little scene. Yeah, we had the whole table, well, maybe
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: five out of six spots We had like five or
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: six guys that we all knew each other, and so
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: we could go play and I didn't need to feel
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: like I was like inserting myself into this this thing
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: that was going on my unprofessional to get good. Eventually,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Like you're watching the cards so much that you sort
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: of in a way start to count cards, right, so
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: you kind of know what's been coming out, and so
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: you're sort of like, but no, it's like six decks.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can't. You can get in trouble for
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: own cards. If you can go play at Binions or
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: go playing some of the old school casinos and they'll
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: play single deck blackjack, that would be different, and I
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: would allow that that would be very higher minimum bet.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Are you play poker house? Odds are bad if you're
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: playing against another player. I just don't. Yeah, I like
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: poker a lot. Do you win a lot of money
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: at board? No? No, I don't. Haven't played in quite
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: a while, but I played a little bit. It's fun.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Why why do you like a professional football? But? Wow,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: that's a jump. I don't know. I've always they don't
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: know you, they don't like you, they don't live they're
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: not from here. I was born. I've been playing football
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: since I was you know, a kid up. They're not
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: from here, He's trying to explain. So he called me
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: and asked me to go fishing on a night there
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: was a Seahawks getting like, oh, I'm going to the
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: football game, and he could not wrap his head around
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: the morning. Yeah, senilities, I don't know. I just I've
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: always love football. I get I'm emotionally invested. I mean
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: in people that you don't know, you know, who are
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: just I played team sports all the way through college.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just always been attracted to it, and
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: I never to play at that level. But yeah, I
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: know you're right and I'm wrong because everybody likes sports, Jimmy,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: I would feel remiss if I didn't stick up for
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: you a little bit here because I don't even have
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Like I didn't grow up watching football and I never
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: played it, but I like it now as an adult.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: I like watching football. I have a team that I
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: hope wins. I hope wins a game. I can't explain it.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: What team is it? It's the Green Bay Packers. Really, yeah,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: that's cool. They're pretty good. Why but you're from I
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: can't I can't leave Jimmy didn't have hung out to
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: dry because I'm even everybody on the planet, I know,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: I know. So I've had another friend of our got
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: into watching football and he's like, because I hate TV
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: so bad, I find myself that I'm in front of
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: a TV. It's the It's the most genuine seeming thing
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: to me, the football, Like watching the game. It just
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: feels like you're actually watching something genuine. Yeah, it was
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: an early childhood like it's like honest and genuine. It's
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: a contest. I mean it's but you're right. I mean,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: they don't know you, they don't you know. I can't
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: even explain it, but I do recognize now as an
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: adult that I enjoy it. Yeah, but for me, it's
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: just always been there. Like corn Husker football on Saturday
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: mornings is one of my earliest memories. I was probably
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: for you know, so Cornhuskers like the hand lotion. No,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: you're funny, now, you just pissed off everybody in the brasket.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: There's a team Cornhuskers go big red really professional football
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: tea no, no, no, college college football. Alright, it feels
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: so bad, but not on about him. Um okay, now,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Dorran can you lay out you're Can you explain
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: a little bit about your Oregon hunting? Sure, it was easy,
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: it was great. What the trip the hunt itself? Yeah,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: just kind of how it goes down. Um, buddy's got
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: a great big place. And how I met him, Russ,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: I met him at your restaurant. Yeah, I was tending
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: bar and this is probably like the mid nineties. I
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: was still tending bar before I owned the place. And
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: he came in with another buddy of mine and we
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: started talking about fly fishing, and then it was, hey,
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: you want to go fishing. And we've been good friends
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: ever since. And uh, bunch trips and I guess I
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: want to say around two thousand or something, his dad
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: bought a great, big, huge place kind of by fossil
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: oregan cattle range. Uh, it big. The previous owner did
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: grace cattle on there. Um, there's some light egg, there's
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: some wheat, and there's some hay and stuff there. But
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: it was just mostly recreational n they do. He has
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: a he has an agreement with his neighbor that we
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: can hunt on his property if we allow them to
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: graze cattle on his So it's kind of a good
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: you know, it's a good handshake deal. That's that's lasted
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: quite a long time. And uh so we get to
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: you know, just so that that that's the deal. That
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: is the deal. Grazes. He grazes your buddy's land and
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: your buddy gets hunt his land. That's correct. Yes, it's
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: a great spot. I mean the John Dave River runs
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: right through the middle, smacked out through the middle of it.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: So there's fantastic small mouth fishing and steelhead right now,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: and um every kind of bird you wanted to shoot
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: more or less. Uh, and fantastic elk cunting. There's chucker.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: There's a couple of pothole ponds, so they're stucks. You
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: can shoot for sure, not as many. I mean you
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: walk down and pop couple in the morning. That's about
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: the extent of or day. I he jumps, shoot him,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Um a lot of times you can actually you can
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: push him back and forth if there's actually between the
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: whole Have you guys done that where you're going? We
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: used to do that in stock ponds. Now and then
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: instead of going in are trying to kick him off
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: and take a shot, Just kick him off, throw two
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: decoys out and hide and wait yeah, they come, I
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: don't even leave. You'll see him circling way out and
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: then like all those dudes are gone now, So I was,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: what's that? But they're not gone, they're hunger. Um just uh,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: pretty easy two yards uphill shot. One just came around
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: the bend. It was skylit, perfect beautiful, perfect symmetrical four
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: point buck and it took one look at me and
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: that was the end of that. It was just it
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: was really easy and dragged it downhill. It was like
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: one of the most There wasn't a pack out. It
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: was a hundred and fifty yard downhill, dragged to my
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: truck and then strung it up. So do you feel
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: that kind of the hunting donners making you pretty soft?
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: I agree. I had occasion to go out on a
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: high buck hunt in the Passade and at the beginning
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: of the season, and I was a little unprepared and
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: I was a little disappointed at my level of being
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: a bit to be honest on some of it. We
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: got there and I had kind of ms rett a
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: forecast and you know, probably good idea to look not
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: the valley floor, but actually where you're gonna start going in,
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: and we rode horses in like sixteen miles way back
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: in there, and I'd kind of not I'd read the
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: brochure and whatnot, and the outfitter was just great people,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: but you know it was they kicked the wallton off
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: the off the side of the mules and then we
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: got in late and drop off drop hunt. Yeah. So
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: you you hired an outfitter to pack you in, but
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: then he just drops you off pretty much you're looking
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: country and then you're like two seeing a week and uh,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: sixteen miles in Yeah, And I hadn't ridden a horse,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: and I mean I had ridden a horse fairly recently,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: but not that far. I just I was surprised where
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: I hurt the next day? Yeah, your buttocks region, my knees.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Where was the weird thing even? Yeah? And uh but
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: we woke up and I was with my really good
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: friend of mine, Henry, who just was amped about the
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: whole deal, and it just man, I woke up cold
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: and I thought I read cot not bring a cot.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: I read there was. Yeah. So the setting up the
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: tent and they had had this big burn band and
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: the whole hunt cana came off late because the area
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: was closed and the outfit really had to put the
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: screws to the Forest Service to get him to let
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: him go back in there. They close fire season, they
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: were the whole, the whole they had closed the whole
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: wilderness area anyway, so you know, nothing was set up.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: We kind of got in. There was a burn band,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: so we weren't allowed to make a fire. And then
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: you know it was it was really it was pretty cold.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: First day, a sleeping on the ground and dude, you
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: sounded awful right now, Yeah, it wasn't. I wasn't super jack.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: I mean whatever just saw from this or no, no, no,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: I think it's accumulation of a lot of So so
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: what wound up going on there? What happened were seeing
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: big giant bucks run round. Didn't see you buck? Saw
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: about fifteen dose total, saw one spike, but it's a
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: three point minimum. How like if you had on a
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: sliding scale of one to temp, how hard were you hunting? Uh?
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: I would say about a nine. I mean he had
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: to do, you know, you two thousand vertical to get
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: to where he wanted to glass. You had to get
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: up in the morning and do that in the dark.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: And then the second day it snowed nine inches, so
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: throw that into the mix days jab six. You stuck
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: it out for six hunt days. It was either that
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: or walk sixteen miles out there, made you know. And
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: I actually had all of that from funny thing too,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: I'll admit it. But like I had all my ship
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: packed and I looked at it on the map in
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: the whole area, part of a specificresh trail, and I
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: knew where my truck was. And I got to thinking
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: because my feet, my feet got wet on the second
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: morning and they didn't dry out, and we kicked the
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: whole no fire thing to that. We're like underground. I'm
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: pretty sure. I'm like, they want to write me to
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: take it, I'll go to court on this one. And uh,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: you know, we made a fire, got kind of comfortable,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: but you know, I didn't really get warm for about
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: a week. Did you get some of wood stove? No,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: but went old stove. Yeah. Weren't allowed to bring in
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: a stove. Oh, I see, because of the band. So
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: I was just kind of all thrown together at the
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: last second. And my buddy Henry's really super just nice guy, resilient.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: He really tolerated me being a ship head for a
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: couple of days because I'm sure it wasn't too fun
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: to be around, but it was up and down. I
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: mean it was according to my iPhone, it was, you know,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: eighty stories a day and it's straight up looking around
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: for you your ass off for six hours. And I
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: got good at taking a nap when I was cold.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: But it was great. It was you know, it was
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: a hard hunt. Um, ridiculously beautiful place. I'm going back,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: but spit. I'm sure it's that gonna be well, you
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: know I'm eating hot. Yeah, well, I'll bring a cot.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: And I had also misread. I thought it was fifty
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: pounds of gear per person. So I got like mountain
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: house and my jet boil. And this other group of
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: hunters came and they literally brought like RVs worth of ship.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Like they had boxes and you know, eight days worth
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: of prep food and coolers and pack alongs, and you know,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: I had my one little and he dropped those guys
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: off on top of your camp. No, he dropped us first.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: And that's another reason why he just the wall tent
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: went off here you go, because it was getting dark
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: and they had another three and a half miles to go.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: So we were hunting in this one big basin and
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: they were in the next so there's just only two
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: groups and normally he has like six or seven groups.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: So it was beautiful and it was it was worth
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: every penny and I'm gonna do it again. And uh,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: you know, I've apologized to my buddy a bunch of
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: times for yeah kill No, we didn't kill you never
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: saw anything but a spike. There are those guys, dude,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: the Washington high buck Hunt. Man, the more I talked
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: to people about it and even you're stirring inspiring story there.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: Um No, it was just it's the same one that
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Carmen was talking about. Well, yeah, in that it's an
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: early season high buck hunt. Dude, I'm gonna get weight.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna become like Joe high Buck. I think I'm
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: gonna change my name to Joe high Buck. You're funny.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: I am so fired up about the high Buck Hunt.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: I'll show you where I went and Ei, there's no
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: way that you don't love it. It is just absolutely beautiful,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: like ridiculously gorgeous, and there's tracks and I'll go with you. Dude.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you're still doing that because I'm starting to
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: feel that, um like the Oregon private land hunt you
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: go on. As fun as it sounds, it just seems
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: like it's gonna make a spoiled brand out. I went
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: to Montana as well, and that was legit. I mean
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: there's some walking around at least, you know, it wasn't
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: nearly as easy. So I mean, I'm fortunate enough to
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: go to this place in Oregon. It's just lousy with deer.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: I mean there's yeah, it's hard to not go. It's yeah,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go as long as they keep letting me go. Yeah,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of public land hunters out there who
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: hunt public lands. They don't have any better option. There's
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: a ton of public rare dude who goes to the heart,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Like who could go to like a gravy spot but
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: chooses to go to a ship spot. I agree, that's
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: a rare MANH Yeah, I'm lucky to get to go there.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: They're the nicest people and uh, you know, fortunately get
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: to shoot stuff most of the time, or at least
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: see stuff, you know. So, um, Montana was really good
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: to me again this year. So I had tags in
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: Oregon and I bought tags in Montana, Washington. Tag in Washington.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: That's soup and uh, just because, to be honest, the
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: freezer is full, and I didn't really feel that that
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: was okay tag to burns. It's forty bucks, but you
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: don't burn Montana or again, when you're talking six bills
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: or whatever, you're gonna have something to show for it. Yeah,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna put a little bit more effort into that
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: for sure. So Montana was fantastic this year. That was
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: a good hunt with a good shot, and yeah, I'm
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: gonna tear it at high Back hunt a new one. Man.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: We're gonna sit down. I've been living here a couple
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: of years now and haven't gone. You're more than welcome
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: to come along. I'm always run around doing on the junk.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: It's the fifteenths right in the kills one for you there,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: it's the fifteenth September to It's like the time when
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: there's the most stuff to do, right as well, what's
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: the elevation for that out here? Went in at seventy
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: seven and I got as high as I want to say,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: tickling nine thousand. But don't quote me, quote me. I
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: know I'll be wrong there because you said he rolled
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: in for sixteen miles and you climbed to vert two
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: thousand vertical from your ten you've been up on the
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: top of Everest by that. We did passes. We went
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: over three different passes to get to where we were hunting,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: which no, no, not fiving got your journalism live? How
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: many people listening to this? How many emails you get
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: if I lie? Yeah? What what the charge you eight
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: hundred bucks? Eight hundred bucks you gotta for the two
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: of you? You gotta tent out of the deal? Yeah,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: pretty much. I think it would have been a little
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: bit more custy. Like I said, it was closed and
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: he wasn't allowed in there, and we got like the
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: eleventh hour call to go. I should also segue with
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: the whole story started with I thought it was done.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: I thought we weren't going. I thought it had been canceled.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: I just assumed my deposit or whatever we go for
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: the next year. But I get like, and it was
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: on the heels of a Seahawks game where I might
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: have had a couple of beers. They not to read
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: the brochure. I get the phone call, Hey, we're going,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: like we're going like in a couple of hours, and
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: I'm like, he ain't go nowhere. What are you even
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: talking about it's canceled. Nope, it's open. It's good. And
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: they had to you know, throw everything together when normally
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: they would have had several weeks to prepare and uh
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: so we showed up and he was still putting bridles
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: on meals and stuff. So it wasn't it wasn't all
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: the way dialed and we left it. We started in
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: at one o'clock when we definitely should have been starting
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: in it about eight thirty in the morning at the latest. So,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just the whole thing was like, you know,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: we got there and of course the last two miles
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: you know, started raining like God was angry. I mean,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: it was just like it was a cold, wet from
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: jump and you just you know, I love it. You
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: love it. Yeah, that makes one of us like I'm not,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: you know, love it all. In hindsight. Yeah, generally, I
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: think we've had this conversation. Were the ones that you
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: remember are the ones that you know potentially sucked the worst,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: but you wax, you know, nostalgic or reminisced about how
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: awesome it was. H the harder I worked for definitely,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: the better I feel. If I'm successful. Yeah, when you're
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: an old man getting there. So in a couple of
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: years on your deathbed, dying, right, you're not gonna be like,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: oh man, that one time man, that was a short
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: pack out on Buddy's place, cold beer and the cup holder. No,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be like thinking back to that, that mountain,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: that rainy, snowy, no camp fire mountain. I'll do it
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: better next year. I'll definitely be better prepared. And you know,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: I owe my buddy one because he definitely was very tolerant.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: So I want to go on the trip with you.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: You are invited. I'll show you on a map you
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: look over, yeah, al right, and then finally, uh, Matt Moyson,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: you had a harrowing trip. No you don't think it's
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: harrowing though, No, not really, not really. It would be
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: the shortest story, for sure. I hunted. It was hard.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: I did that for a while and nothing happened. But
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: I'll recap it. I mean I couldn't go where you
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: wanted to go because so much snow. Yeah, we couldn't
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: even approach it. Yeah, we weren't within Now, don't say,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: don't say the spots don't even give like mountain ranges. Okay,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: it was the mountains. It was the mountains of North Dakota, Dakota, Okay,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: you're right. So we had planned to hunt. Can I
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: say the state North Dakota, okay Um where we had
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: planned to hunt, was inaccessible because of snow the high
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: mountains of That's what I'm saying, mountains of North Dakota.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: And so we ended up having to pick another mountain range.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: But that wasn't that didn't seem real detrimental at the time,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: because of hunted that mountain range before, and and and
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: plenty of animals, plenty of you know, uh that that
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: doesn't seem like a limiting factor, you know, but uh,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: we just I just couldn't quite make it work. Animals.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: We saw animals the first two days of the trip,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: and in fact milk yep, yep, hunt milk um, but
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: just never never put it together. How far off the
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: ones you were seeing, um like three yards. A guy,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: one of one of the one of the guys in
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: our party missed a shot at like two seventy five.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: I actually missed a shot on that trip. I missed
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: a head shot on a on a which is a
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: terrible shot to have to take and it was it
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: was you know, it's one of those where I thought,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: this is either gonna go totally not my way or
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: it's going to go my way, and but it but
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: it's a crap me too. Uh if you hunted? Um, yeah,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: I mean so it was. It was a you know,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: low percentage shot at something that and and it's one
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: of those things like I don't know how often you
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: guys do this, but I'm always like replaying stuff in
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: my head. You ever, just like replay what happened and
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: think about what you should have done. I have any energy,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: your time and to go forward, for all I know,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: I m spend analyze in the past. I spent a
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: full day thinking about how I should have done that different,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: Like what I could have done different that would have
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: let me had a shot at the body of that
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: elk and not ahead was elk in behind a blowdown
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: timber and had me dead to rights. It's like, well,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: it's either it's either. I mean, I was standing because
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: if I bent down, she her head wasn't even visible,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: you know, so it was I mean, anyway, it's the
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: bummer of a shot and I didn't make it. So
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: that's even bigger bummer. But that was it, you know,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: that was the first I guess that was the first day.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: And then after that we just weren't We just weren't
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: into animals. You could see where animals had passed through
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: in a you know, migrating from from high to low,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: but but we didn't see any of the move like
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: being pushed down by the snow. I think so. So
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: the first there was a lot of snow and and
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: the first um, the two days before we got there,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: and the first day we were there there was quite
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: a bit of snowfall and and and you could you
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: could see animals moving. We would be uh like before light.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: The first day we drove past a string of cow
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: el because it was probably you know, they were they
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: were nose to butt for probably most of a mile, yeah,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: traveling you know, like they like to travel kind of
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: at the darkhay yep. So driving in, we saw uh
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: you know on private yeah, yeah, all low down in
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: the on the farm on the yeah, um, a ton
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: of elk. And actually even from up in the mountains
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: you could you could glass way down and just pick
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: out hundreds of them in the flats. But they're so
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: far I mean there's thousands of feet below you or
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing you know whatever they are. Yeah, um so anyway,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: we just you know, no one in the party ended
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: up getting an ELK. So, and how many miles are
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: you guys walking every day? I'm not very good at counting. Um,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you'd probably have five or six mile days.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: I guess, I'm I'm I don't know, I don't know.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: It's hard for me to guess. I mean with a
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: guy who had grown up in a city, and he
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: would always talk about blocks, really just put it into
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: He would be like, even with Cariboo, would you like
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: anyone looking at a Cariboo would have no idea what
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: the city block. But he would talk about it's probably
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: like you'd be like, there's a sault bowl probably three
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: blocks away. Wow. In the distances he walked, he would
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: give you in blocks, it's bad about seven two blocks? Yeah. No,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: I'm bad at judging that, but you know, it was
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: it's challenging country. I mean, it's it's a it's either
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: up or down. You know, if if it feels like
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: so a year walking in snow, Yeah, there was six
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: or eight inches of snow that adds to it, for sure,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: it does. You know, I've gotten better at that later
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: in life, though better it was, I've gotten better at
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: being uncomfortable. I was not good at that as a
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: young person. I had a real problem with it. And
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: now I feel like I can just kind of chill out.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I know this, this sucks, but yeah,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: being okay with trudging. Yeah, I was not good at it.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: I really wasn't. I mean, you know me for twenty
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: two years, but I never knew years. I never thought
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: if he has a cupcake, yeh, I did no. But
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: I mean I think it's like I was fine with
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: this hunt and actually I wasn't even super bummed out
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: to not get one. I mean I just felt like, uh,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: that's what an ELK tag is, man. You you you know, dude,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: if you went up and just plug every time, I yeah,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: you go look at success rates. If you go look
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: at non guided, nonresident ELK success rates, they hover like
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: around ten percent. Well, I'm in the nineties, I can
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: tell you that this year. Yeah, no, it's and I
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: know I'm I was okay with it. I mean it
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: was you know, any time you're successful when you're hunting
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's real. It's still a thrill for
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: me anyway to to be a successful hunter. But I
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: think that not having success is it's like weirdly also
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: poignant and and it didn't it didn't, it didn't bumm
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: me out. I don't know. It's a weird. It's a
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: weird thing. Man, you really arrived at Like it's like, yeah,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: that is one thing. That's next. Time'm getting nextime, I'm
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: getting two mule deer tags. I'm killing something. Next, I'm
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: putting in for muled your doorteg. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: You used to bumm me out. I mean myself personally
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: when I was a kid. If I didn't get something,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: that was a failure. Now just being there, So it
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: depends a lot on what's going on in the old freezer. Yes,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: that's a good point, right. If I'm sitting on if
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting on a cult freezer is packed full, I
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: get real no not non salant, but I get real
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: interest and seeing my buddies. Fine, success, then it's fun.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: That's fun for me then. But if I'm kind of
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: like really weighing out, just like uh, you wanted to
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: have the I want to have the jam pack freezer
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: full of me that I get a little bit fussy,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: become less interested in my bodies good times, you know,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: in a weird way, I think, being like, so you
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: know I don't hunt that much. I mean, I you know,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: I really don't with with career and and family and kids.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: Like I'll do sort of probably one good hunt like
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: that every year, and maybe I get to do some
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: in state stuff and you know, goof off. But um,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: I feel like in a certain way hunting less. It's
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: not made me care less, but enjoy it for its
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: like experience more, you know what I mean. Like, and
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not so outcome driven as when I hunted more
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: like when when I was younger, I would actually I
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: would hunt more. I'd be more miserable or at least
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: wallow in it, and I would care more whether I
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: was successful or not. And that's interesting me. Yeah, I
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: know I don't understand it either, but it's true. So
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: now older, more seasoned, more responsibilities, you're willing to go
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: out there and enjoy the sucky aspects and not fixate
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: on the success thing that you used to be pushed by.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: I guess so, so it used to be like, I
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: hate being uncomfortable. I really wanted to get something. Maybe
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: I really wanted to get something so you could get home.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know the only way to get out of here,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: to get out of here and safe face to be
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: able to get it. If I don't feel this, Dang man,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to be out here forever. Yeah, no,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's it's funny. Yeah, that's good. I
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: like that. Jimmy Dork. Ask about one last last thing
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: that you were upset when the when Chris Cornell from
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: Sound Garden died. Can you talk about that? Sure? Oh man,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: why that upset you? I just I don't know. I
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: met him when I was, you know, young, We're about
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: the same age, and I think we discussed it pretty well. Like,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: I just can never wrap my brain around what, in
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: my opinion, is it temporary problem with obviously permanent solution
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: When somebody does that not to me, Yeah, you're like, man,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: just call somebody something like Jesus, that's what spoke to
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: you about that. Well that you know, there's two different ways,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: you know, I get pissed. I'm like, oh, what you know?
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: Too many persons? You know, too many private jets and
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: you're tired of those five star hotels, Like, what's going
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: on here? Most people, you know, large percentage of humanity,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: would you feel pretty good about the situation he was in?
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: And but you know, I've never understood like, I mean,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: I really liked him and I obviously loved music a lot,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: and you're just like, dude, why would you just not
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: just call somebody? I don't know, it couldn't have been
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: that big of a deal. It couldn't have been that
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: big of a deal that you're done, and you just
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: can't wait till tomorrow and about tomorrow is gonna maybe
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: be better or something. I don't know, man, try to
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: stay optimistic. But yeah, that was definitely a Yeah. That
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: one sucked. Really bumm me out. There's so many good musicians,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: there are lots of just kill themselves. Man, I don't
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: get it. The guy I used, you know, the mark
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: links from Solin Garden or not something to know, Sparkle
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: horse m. We talked about myself with a shotgun in
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: the chest. Oh jeez, that can't be good. Elliott Smith
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: stabbed itself to death with it. Yep, this conversation is
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: taking a dark turn. I did we talked about David Wallace,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: right and and uh, you know, trying to read his
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: books again, kan your prompt. I even bought the books.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: A supposedly fun thing I'll never do again. I did.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: I've got I know him there. But it's just like
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: trying to get a drink out of a fire hose. Man.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: It's like you do you have you read brief interviews
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: the hideous man? No, I'm still working on the thought.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: That was the last one he said, and supposedly fun
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: thing I'll never do again. Yeah, I kept infinite jest
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: next in my room so that way I looked smart. Yeah,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: he used as a prop. I saw Tom Petty the
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: week before he died here. Yeah, yeah, total weird circumstance.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, I would I like Tom Petty, but I
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: would not about a ticket to that, you know what
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: I mean. It's just not really what I'm saying because
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: me and me and the mid not there but three
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: years ago. No, I'm not saying anything by it. It's
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: just like anyway, tickets fell into our lap and and
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: and we went, and we were invited by like a
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: work colleague, like, oh man, I love to go. I'd
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: love to see Petty you know, it's it's an icon.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: It was a great American, one of the one of
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: the greats. And that's the story of Tom Petty is
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: a story about everything that's great but here so so
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: I just I just bring it up because of Jimmy's
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: story about Chris Cornell, which which is like horrible. I
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: view Tom Petty as the opposite. There's a glorious story
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: that dude wraps up a tour and and you know,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: figurative Mike drop and just goes out and like, how
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: do how do you do better than that? What's the
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: quote you used to say, like some guy said, if
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: I had to do it all over again, I do
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: it like Petty did it. Oh, yeah, it was an interview.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: It was an interview with uh it was an interview
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: with another musician. You said, if I could do it
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: all over you gonna do it like Tom Petty. Yeah,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: that's what I thought about when Tom Great America. I mean,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: the story of Petty's career and success is so like
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: to be like kids from Gainesville, Florida, like a garage band,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: become like a bar band, cover band, go out to
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: l A to make it big. None of you's ever
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: been Western Mississippi. You find some scrap of paper in
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: a phone booth with like some record producers names on it.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: Start it's just a bizarre story. No, it's iconic, that's
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: the thing. It's like. And even when he died, I
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: was like, this, in a way is the coolest thing
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: in the world. I mean, it's it's terribly he died,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: but it's like, you're gonna die anyway. Why not rap,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, just why not put a bow
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: on it? Speaking of suicide, American Girl, she could hear
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: the cars roll by on all four or forty one,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: like the waves crashing on the beach, and for one
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: desperate moment, it's about a girl that kills herself jumping
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: out of a window. American Girl is wow, yeah, it's
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: about a suicide. Oh god, yeah in the court. Oh god,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: it's so painful, something that's so close but still so
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: far out of reach. American Girl. Um, honestly, it's a
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: doll line now, so I think that's it. Oh No,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: I wanted to want to say. A guy wrote in.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: I had said something like having a hammer hanging over
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: your head, and a guy rode in to say, oh,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: it's not that you meant this sort of democles. Did
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: you write in that? Nope? How do you know what
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about? How do you know what I'm talking about?
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: Because it's not a hammer over your head, that's that's
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: not a thing. Imagine. No, I was being like, I
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: wasn't referring to that, the sort of democles, because you
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: guys are alluding to it when you talk about famous
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: people rich, famous people killing themselves. So a king has
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: like a guy in his court who's just a professional flatterer. Okay,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: And he says to the king, my god, for just
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: I would what I would love just to be you?
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: For to be you? You have it made right, you're rich,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: you're the king, Like, why can't I be you? And
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: he goes, oh please, I'll show you exactly what it's
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: like to be me and seats him at the banquet
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: table with the beautiful women around him, the food, the wine,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: the drink, and then he takes a sword and hangs
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: it from a single horsehair high above his head. Is
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: that right? I guess I don't know this, he says, Okay,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: do you want to stay in my seat now? Yeah?
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: A sort of democles and the hammer of Steve Vernella.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: Have you, by the way, you do have a kayak
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: paddle over your head, so I think it's symbolic carbon
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: fiber werner. Carbon friber werner paddle could fall and bust
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: me in that, that's right. I think won't even give
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: you a headache like a feather. I don't know if
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: you know, if Fitzgerald butt up at the fish shack,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: the next time you go to take the boat out
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: to get to take the canoe to get the skiff,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: you'll notice that I now have a carbon fiber canoe
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: paddle up there. Holy ship, Yeah, I think I saw
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: something here about this. Yeah, good stuff. You keep thinking
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: you forgot the paddle, then you realize that you're paddling.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: It's great, it's amazing, all right. Thanks for joining us, guys,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: Thanks man, Thank you,