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- 0:00Welcome to reformed thinking, it's good to have you with us
- 0:02again. It is good to be here.
- 0:04You know, usually when we sit down to record these, we have a
- 0:08a stack of commentaries, maybe some systematic theology
- 0:11textbooks, or we're looking at a specific confession.
- 0:14The heavy hitters. The heavy hitters, yeah.
- 0:17But today we're doing something slightly different.
- 0:20We are pulling a paperback off the shelf that I suspect a lot
- 0:24of our listeners have owned for years, maybe even decades.
- 0:27Oh, it's a staple. If you walk into any used
- 0:29bookstore in the English speaking world, you're going to
- 0:32find a copy. Probably several.
- 0:35We are talking about CS Lewis and Mere Christianity.
- 0:38But, and this is a big but, we're not doing the Introduction
- 0:41to Christianity stuff today, right?
- 0:43We aren't talking about the moral law or the trilemma.
- 0:46We are zooming in on Book 4, specifically a chapter called
- 0:50Time and Beyond Time. Which is notorious for being the
- 0:53chapter where Lewis stops being the friendly Oxford Dawn,
- 0:59explained things over a pint and suddenly becomes a high level
- 1:02metaphysician. It is the chapter where he
- 1:04essentially says look if this hurts your head just skip it.
- 1:06He does. He calls it a silly idea at the
- 1:08start, purely out of humility, right?
- 1:10But he includes it because he knows that for a certain type of
- 1:13mind, the concept of time is a massive, massive barrier to
- 1:17faith. And frankly, for those of us in
- 1:19the Reformed camp, understanding God's relationship to time is
- 1:23not just some side issue. It's it's central to how we
- 1:27understand sovereignty, election, and the attributes of
- 1:30God. That is what I want to get into.
- 1:32We're going to take this chapter apart, line by line, argument by
- 1:35argument. Our mission here is to see if we
- 1:37can solve a problem that I think nags at everyone, even if they
- 1:41don't admit it. OK, so what's the problem as you
- 1:44see it the? Problem is that I'm small, the
- 1:47universe is huge, and God is supposedly running the whole
- 1:49show, and I have a hard time believing that the, you know,
- 1:53the CEO of the universe has time to listen to me complain about
- 1:56my mortgage or my sick cat. It feels, I don't know, arrogant
- 2:00to think he's listening. That is the skeptics objection.
- 2:03Lewis starts with and it's a fair objection, logically
- 2:06speaking, if you start with the wrong premises.
- 2:08Lewis quotes a man who told him I can believe in God all right,
- 2:11but what I cannot swallow is the idea of him attending to several
- 2:16100 million human beings who are all addressing him at the same
- 2:19moment. Notice the constraint there.
- 2:22Yeah, it's a logistical constraint.
- 2:23The skeptic is doing math. Yeah, he's saying, OK, 700
- 2:27million Christians pray at 9.00 PM, That is 700 million inputs.
- 2:33There is 60 seconds in a minute. The math just doesn't work.
- 2:36It sounds like a denial of service attack on a server.
- 2:40Too many requests, the system crashes.
- 2:42Or to use the image that would have been current for Lewis,
- 2:44it's the switchboard operator. Right, the old telephone
- 2:47exchange. Picture a room in the 1940s.
- 2:49You have a lady sitting there with a headset and a board full
- 2:52of jacks, a light blank. She plugs in number please.
- 2:55She connects the call. Now imagine a million lights
- 2:58blinking at once. Panic.
- 3:00Utter panic. Absolute panic.
- 3:01She can't do it. She has to cue them, please
- 3:03hold, please hold. She has to take them
- 3:05sequentially, one after another. And the skeptic looks at God and
- 3:08thinks, oh, God is just a really, really big Swiftboard
- 3:11operator. The Super operator.
- 3:13Right. Maybe he has 1000 arms, maybe he
- 3:16thinks a million times faster than we do, but there's still a
- 3:19limit. If he's taking a call from a guy
- 3:22in London, he is technically occupied.
- 3:25He might be occupied for a nanosecond, but he is occupied
- 3:29and someone else has to wait. And that's where the anxiety
- 3:31comes from. The septic things.
- 3:33I don't want to bother him. He's busy running the galaxies.
- 3:36You feel like you're just another blinking light on an
- 3:39overloaded board. But the error here isn't about
- 3:42God's power. It isn't about how fast he can
- 3:45think, it's about God's very nature.
- 3:48OK. The skeptic is assuming that God
- 3:50is subject to the same timeline that we are.
- 3:53He assumes God is standing on the timeline next to the
- 3:55switchboard, watching the seconds tick by on the wall.
- 3:58Clock. That is the assumption we need
- 3:59to smash today. We have to, because a God is in
- 4:02time. He is not the God of the Bible,
- 4:04and he certainly isn't the God of the Westminster Confession.
- 4:07OK, so let's back up and look at human time.
- 4:09Because to understand why God isn't in it, we have to
- 4:11understand what it is. Lewis does a really good job of
- 4:15making us feel the weight of our own limitations here.
- 4:18He does. He describes our life as
- 4:20something that comes to us moment by moment.
- 4:22It feels like a conveyor belt. That's the image that came to my
- 4:25mind. That is a good image.
- 4:27You're standing on a spot in the belt.
- 4:29You can look backward and see where you were 5 seconds ago.
- 4:32That's the past. And it's gone.
- 4:33You can't touch it. It's gone forever.
- 4:35You can look forward and see where you'll be in five seconds.
- 4:38That's the future. You can't touch that either.
- 4:40You're just locked in the now. And the now is incredibly small.
- 4:45In fact, psychologists and philosophers argue about whether
- 4:48there's even such a thing as a true now.
- 4:51As soon as you acknowledge it, it's already passed.
- 4:54It's already become a memory. Exactly.
- 4:56But let's say for the sake of argument, the now is a few
- 5:00seconds wide. Lewis says there's very little
- 5:02room in it, right? Think about your own capacity.
- 5:05Can you listen to two podcasts at once?
- 5:07No, yeah, it just becomes noise. You can't process either one.
- 5:11Can you read a book and hold a meaningful conversation with
- 5:15your spouse at the same time? I have tried, it does not go
- 5:19well, let's just say that. Right, you are rationed.
- 5:23That's the word Lewis uses, and I love it.
- 5:25Our existence is rationed out to us.
- 5:27We get one teaspoon a time, and when we drink that, we get the
- 5:30next teaspoon. We never get the whole bowl at
- 5:32once. And because we're rationed,
- 5:34we're always in a hurry, we're always running out of teaspoons,
- 5:36there's always this feeling of scarcity.
- 5:39Exactly. We are finite, we are creatures,
- 5:42and because this is the only reality we have ever known, we
- 5:45projected onto the Creator. We just can't help it.
- 5:48We assume God is also standing by the conveyor belt waiting for
- 5:50the next moment to arrive. We think He has a past, a
- 5:53present and a future, just like we do.
- 5:55We think God is waiting for tomorrow just like we are.
- 5:58And that, theologically, is a heresy.
- 6:01I don't use that word lightly. If God is waiting for something,
- 6:04he is dependent on time. He's passive.
- 6:06He's changing. Malachi 3.6 I am the Lord, I
- 6:10change, not the immutability of God.
- 6:13Precisely, if God has to wait for 2027 to arrive, then in 2027
- 6:18He will possess knowledge and experience that He does not
- 6:21possess now in 2026. So he's growing.
- 6:24He's learning. He's evolving.
- 6:27A God who evolves is not God. He's just a very old, very
- 6:31powerful creature who's also on the conveyor belt, just maybe a
- 6:34bit further down the line. So the theologians and Lewis
- 6:37points out that the theologians were way ahead of the scientists
- 6:40on this said no, God is not on the timeline.
- 6:44Augustine talked about this. Calvin talked about this.
- 6:46God created time. Time is a creature.
- 6:49It's a thing he made, like a rock or a tree or an Angel.
- 6:52Right, you don't say a Carpenter lives inside the table he made.
- 6:55He is outside of it. He is distinct from it.
- 6:58So God is not in time. His life does not consist of
- 7:02moments following one another. OK, so if he isn't in time,
- 7:06where is he? What's the alternative?
- 7:08He is in the eternal now. That sounds like a tagline for a
- 7:10sci-fi movie, The Internal. Now help me grasp that.
- 7:14It means that for God, all moments are present.
- 7:17He doesn't look back at the creation as something that
- 7:19happened a long, long time ago. This.
- 7:20Is not a faded memory for him. Not at all, And he doesn't look
- 7:25forward to the second coming as something that will happen in
- 7:27the future. He sees them both and everything
- 7:30in between right now. So 10 foot 3:00 PM tonight when
- 7:33I'm praying is just as present to him as the moment Noah
- 7:38stepped off the ark. Yes, and the moment the pyramids
- 7:40were built. Yes, and the moment the last
- 7:42star in the universe burns out, it's all just now.
- 7:47That is, that's really hard to visualize.
- 7:49It breaks our brains because we don't have the hardware to
- 7:52process it. We're wired for sequence A, then
- 7:54B, then C But let's go back to the Skeptic switchboard, OK?
- 7:58The overloaded operator A. Skeptic says God can't hear a
- 8:02million prayers at 10:30 PM, but if God is outside of time, he
- 8:07doesn't have to listen to them in the one minute slice of 10:30
- 8:10PM. He's not constrained by that
- 8:12minute. Not at all.
- 8:13He has all of eternity to listen to the prayers offered in that
- 8:16one minute. Lewis uses the pilot analogy
- 8:18here. Let's walk through that because
- 8:19it adds some, you know, high stakes to the idea.
- 8:22It's a vivid picture. A pilot is flying a plane.
- 8:24Something goes wrong. The engine explodes.
- 8:27The wing fears off. He knows he's going down.
- 8:30He has mere seconds, maybe less. Maybe less.
- 8:33He sees the ground rushing up. The instrument panel is
- 8:36screaming. In that chaos, he yells out a
- 8:39prayer. God help me or forgive me.
- 8:41It takes him half a second to say it.
- 8:43Then impact. Now, in our timeline, that half
- 8:47second is gone instantly. It's a blip.
- 8:49It's a fraction of a heartbeat. It's over before you can even
- 8:51register. It and a skeptic thinks God is
- 8:53busy handling a war in Europe. He can't possibly stop to focus
- 8:57on that half second blip. He's got bigger fish to fry.
- 8:59But Lewis argues that God isn't hurried.
- 9:01He's not rushed. God is not rushing past that
- 9:04half second to get to the next second.
- 9:07Because God is outside the stream, he can pause again.
- 9:10Our language fails us here. Words like pause or time.
- 9:13Words. He can dwell on that half second
- 9:15for as long as he wants. He can debut infinite attention
- 9:18to that specific moment of the pilots life.
- 9:20Infinite attention. Think about that phrase.
- 9:22He isn't splitting his attention.
- 9:24It's not like he's giving 1% to the pilot and 1% of the
- 9:27president and 1% of the Pope. He's not multitasking.
- 9:29He can't multitask because that implies doing multiple things in
- 9:33the same moment of time. Because he has infinite now to
- 9:37work with, he gives 100% of his attention to the pilot.
- 9:41And he gives 100% of his attention to the president.
- 9:43Eternally, not simultaneously. You see the difference?
- 9:46I do. This changes the whole personal
- 9:48relationship dynamic. I think a lot of people feel
- 9:51like they're just a number. To God, I am just one of the
- 9:53billions of sheep. He knows I'm here, but he
- 9:56doesn't really know me. That is a very deistic view.
- 9:59It is the watchmaker God who winds it up and walks away.
- 10:03But the biblical God, the Reformed God, is intimately
- 10:07involved with every atom, every Sparrow, every hair in your
- 10:10head, and this view of time explains how that is possible
- 10:14without it being a logical contradiction.
- 10:17It means when you're in your room praying and you feel like
- 10:20you're talking to the ceiling, God is actually listening to you
- 10:22with more focus and you're listening to yourself.
- 10:24He is listening to you as if you were the only creature he ever
- 10:27made, Lewis says. And this is so powerful.
- 10:31Christ died for you individually.
- 10:33That is a huge statement. It connects directly to the
- 10:35Atonement. We sometimes think of the cross
- 10:38as a bulk transaction. Jesus paid the debt for the mass
- 10:41of humanity like a corporate bailout.
- 10:44A blanket policy that covers everyone who signs up.
- 10:47Right, but if God is outside of time, then when Jesus hung on
- 10:51the cross, he wasn't just thinking about the world in some
- 10:54generic sense. He was experiencing the specific
- 10:57sins of specific people in an eternal present.
- 11:01So he saw me. He saw you.
- 11:03He saw your specific sin from last Tuesday.
- 11:05He paid for it specifically. That is terrifying and
- 11:08comforting at the same time. It should be.
- 11:10It removes the anonymity of sin. You can't say, oh, I'm just part
- 11:13of a fallen world. No, you are an individual before
- 11:16an eternal God. But it also removes the
- 11:18anonymity of grace. That's the other side of the
- 11:21coin. You are loved individually,
- 11:23known individually, saved individually.
- 11:25OK, I want to pivot to the analogy that Louis uses to
- 11:28explain how this works, because talking about eternal nows and
- 11:31infinite attention is great, but my brain still wants a picture.
- 11:34And Louis gives us the novelist. This is, in my opinion, the
- 11:37strongest analogy he offers. It's not perfect, no analogy
- 11:41forgot is, but it gets us 90% of the way there.
- 11:44To set the scene. Imagine you were writing a book,
- 11:47a novel. Let's say it's a mystery.
- 11:49You have a character, let's call her Mary.
- 11:51OK, I'm the author, Mary's my character.
- 11:54You write a sentence. Mary laid down her work.
- 11:57Next moment came a knock at the door.
- 11:59Simple enough Action reaction. Now put yourself inside the
- 12:03book. Become Mary.
- 12:05What is her experience of time? It's instantaneous.
- 12:08I put down the knitting bang, there's a knock at the door.
- 12:11There is no gap. It's cause and effect one right
- 12:13after the other. Right in the imaginary time of
- 12:15the story, those two events are back-to-back, maybe a second
- 12:19apart. OK, I'm with you.
- 12:20Now step back out. You are the author again.
- 12:23You write the first part of the sentence, Mary laid down her
- 12:26work, and then you get writer's block.
- 12:28Happens all the. Time or your phone rings, or you
- 12:31realize you need a cup of coffee.
- 12:32You stand up. You walk to the kitchen.
- 12:35You grind the beans. You brew the coffee.
- 12:38You look out the window at the rain.
- 12:39You think about how you want the knock to sound.
- 12:42Is it a loud knock? A hesitant knock.
- 12:45I might be away from the desk for 20 minutes or a week if the
- 12:49writer's block is bad. Let's say it's three hours.
- 12:52You sit back down, take a sip of coffee and write the
- 12:55second-half. Next moment came a knock at the
- 12:58door. OK, here's the question.
- 13:00Didn't Mary wait for three hours?
- 13:02No, of course not. Did Mary sit there, frozen in
- 13:05their chair, wondering why the universe had stopped?
- 13:08No, she doesn't know about the coffee.
- 13:10She doesn't know about the rain outside my window.
- 13:12Those three hours simply do not exist in her world.
- 13:15They're not part of her timeline.
- 13:16Exactly. There is a real time that you,
- 13:18the author live in and there is an imaginary time that Mary
- 13:21lives in and they completely independent.
- 13:23You can spend an infinite amount of your time between 2 seconds
- 13:27of her time. And the application is obvious.
- 13:29God is the author. We are the characters.
- 13:32We are living in the book. We are rushing from sentence to
- 13:35sentence. I had to get to work.
- 13:36I have to pick up the kids. I have to pay this bill.
- 13:38We are trapped in the narrative flow.
- 13:40But God. God is the one holding the pen.
- 13:43He is not trapped in the sentence with us.
- 13:45He isn't rushing to find out what happens on the next page.
- 13:48He wrote the next page. This is where it gets into
- 13:50sovereignty, doesn't it? This is where it gets really
- 13:52reformed. It absolutely does.
- 13:54This is why Reformed view of God is so robust.
- 13:57We don't believe God is a character in the story reacting
- 14:00to what the other characters do. Oh no, animate the fruit.
- 14:02What do I do now? Let me quickly write a Plan B.
- 14:05That's the open theism view, right?
- 14:07The idea that God is learning as he goes reacting to our choices.
- 14:12Yes, and it is a disaster theologically if God is
- 14:15reacting. He is not sovereign, but if God
- 14:18is the author, the entire story from in the beginning to Amen is
- 14:23a finished work in His mind. So when I'm waiting for an
- 14:26answer to prayer and I feel like God is taking too long.
- 14:29You are judging the timing of the author from the perspective
- 14:32of the character. You are saying the pacing of
- 14:35this chapter is too slow. But the author knows exactly why
- 14:40the pacing is that way. He knows that the suspense is
- 14:43necessary for the climax in Chapter 10.
- 14:46That puts a lot of trust in the author.
- 14:47That is what faith is. It is trusting that the author
- 14:50is good and that the story has a point, even when you were in the
- 14:54dark, confusing part of the plot.
- 14:56But Lewis adds A nuance here. He says the analogy breaks down
- 14:59in one specific way. And I think this is important.
- 15:02So we don't think God is just, you know, a guy at a desk
- 15:04somewhere. Right.
- 15:05It's a crucial distinction in the the analogy.
- 15:07The author steps out of the novel's time, but he is still in
- 15:11real time. Right.
- 15:13He's still aging. The coffee is getting cold.
- 15:16The clock on his wall is still ticking.
- 15:18But God doesn't have a real time parallel to ours.
- 15:21So he's not just in a slower time.
- 15:24No, he's in no time, Lewis says. God's life is himself.
- 15:29That is a heavy phrase. Unpack that.
- 15:30What does that mean? God's life is himself.
- 15:33Well, think about our lives. We possess our life in
- 15:35fragments. I have the me of today.
- 15:38The me of yesterday is a memory. The me of tomorrow is a hope.
- 15:42I never possess my whole self at once.
- 15:44I am always bleeding away into the past.
- 15:47Like water slipping through your fingers.
- 15:49Exactly. But God.
- 15:51God is a solid block of reality. He possesses his entire being,
- 15:56His power, his knowledge, his joy in one single eternal act.
- 16:02He doesn't have memories because nothing is past for him.
- 16:04He doesn't have anticipation because nothing is future for
- 16:07him. He just.
- 16:08He just I. Yes, this connects directly to
- 16:10the name he gives Moses at the burning Bush.
- 16:12I am. I am that I.
- 16:14Am not, I was not. I will be eternal present.
- 16:17Lewis gives us a second visual to help with this, the line and
- 16:20the page. Yes, this one is helpful for the
- 16:22the geometry. Of it, imagine a piece of white
- 16:24paper, a big blank sheet. OK, you take a pen and you draw
- 16:28a stroke line across it from left to right.
- 16:30That line is time. That line is history.
- 16:33That line is my life. That line is the timeline of the
- 16:36universe. Now we are living on the line.
- 16:39We are little dots moving from left to right.
- 16:42We could see the part of the line we just walked over.
- 16:44That's history. That's our memory.
- 16:47But we can't see the part of the line ahead of us.
- 16:48That's the unknown future. We have to leave point A to get
- 16:51to point B. God is not on the line.
- 16:53God is the page. He is the paper itself.
- 16:56He contains the line. Or, to use Lewis's exact
- 16:59phrasing, he is above and outside or all around it.
- 17:02So if I am the page or if I am looking down at the page, I can
- 17:06see the start of the line, the middle of the line, and the end
- 17:09of the line in a single glance. Exactly.
- 17:12You don't have to move your eye from left to right to know that
- 17:15the line ends. You see the whole thing as a
- 17:17single complete object. This completely solves the
- 17:19foreknowledge problem, doesn't it?
- 17:21We always ask how does God know the future as if he's some kind
- 17:25of cosmic fortune teller, And this model says he doesn't
- 17:29foresee it, he sees it. To foresee implies you are
- 17:33looking ahead on the timeline. God isn't looking ahead, he is
- 17:36looking at the whole timeline. He's looking at 20-30 just as
- 17:39clearly as he's looking at 2024. They are both just marks on the
- 17:43paper that he is holding. And for the reformed listener,
- 17:46this is the bedrock of election. Ephesians one says he chose us
- 17:52before the foundation of the world.
- 17:53How? How could he?
- 17:55Because the foundation of the world and the moment of your
- 17:57salvation are both present to Him in the eternal decree, He
- 18:01sees the whole plan as a finished structure, a complete
- 18:04line on the page. It effectively kills anxiety
- 18:07about the future of the world. The world isn't spinning out of
- 18:09control. The line isn't going to suddenly
- 18:11run off the paper. The line goes exactly where he
- 18:13drew it. OK, so we've established that
- 18:15God is the author, the page, the eternal.
- 18:17Now this makes sense for God the Father.
- 18:19It fits the high, transcendent, sovereign God.
- 18:22But we're Christians. We believe that this God became
- 18:27a man. The incarnation, The central
- 18:29mystery. This is the hurdle Lewis admits
- 18:32stumbled him for a long time. It's the central paradox of our
- 18:35faith. How can the eternal timeless
- 18:38page become a dot on the line? It is the question that splits
- 18:41religions. Islam, for example, says it's
- 18:44impossible. God is too great to become a
- 18:46man. We say it is essential.
- 18:49But logically, it is a mess, isn't it?
- 18:51I mean, think about Jesus and the Gospels.
- 18:53He's a baby. He learns to walk, he gets
- 18:54tired, he sleeps, he asks questions.
- 18:56Who touched me? Right.
- 18:58And at the very same time, we claim he is the God who holds
- 19:02the universe together, by whom all things consist.
- 19:05So the skeptic asks, how can he be running the universe and
- 19:08sleeping in a boat at the same time?
- 19:10Or how could he know everything is God but not know the day or
- 19:14the hour of his return as a man? It seems like a blatant
- 19:17contradiction. It looks like a contradiction,
- 19:19it feels like. One, it looks like a
- 19:20contradiction because of that little phrase again at the same
- 19:23time. We're back to the timeline trap.
- 19:26We are. We picture God's existence as a
- 19:29long infinite timeline, and then we picture Jesus's life.
- 19:33Say 4 BC to 30 AD is a little segment of that timeline.
- 19:37Right, like God was God for eternity, then for 33 years he
- 19:43paused, being fully God to go do the Jesus thing on earth.
- 19:46Like taking a leave of absence from his job as God.
- 19:49Yeah, and then he went back to being God afterwards.
- 19:52That's the Kenosis air, the idea that he emptied himself of
- 19:55divinity. But orthodox theology,
- 19:58Caledonian Orthodoxy, says he added humanity.
- 20:01He didn't subtract dividity. So how does the time concept fix
- 20:05this problem? Lewis argues that the life of
- 20:07Christ on earth, the birth, the teaching, the cross, the
- 20:10resurrection is a period in our history.
- 20:13It is a segment on the line. OK, that makes sense.
- 20:16It's a historical. Event, but God's life is not on
- 20:18the line, so we cannot say that the incarnation interrupted
- 20:21God's life. It didn't interrupt it.
- 20:23No, Imagine the page again. The page is touching the line at
- 20:26every single point, sustaining it.
- 20:28That's God's Providence. OK, but at one specific segment
- 20:31of the line in 1st century Palestine, the page didn't just
- 20:34touch the line. The page wrote himself into the
- 20:37line. He entered the story.
- 20:39Into the story as a character without ever ceasing to be the
- 20:42author. That is the key.
- 20:44Shakespeare can write himself into a play as a character.
- 20:46He can walk on stage, he can talk to Hamlet.
- 20:49But while the Shakespeare character is on stage, the
- 20:52Shakespeare author is still the one writing the play.
- 20:55Exactly. The character on stage might be
- 20:57limited. He might only know what is
- 20:59happening in that scene, he might express fatigue or
- 21:02surprise, but the author knows the whole plot from beginning to
- 21:06end. So when Jesus is sleeping in the
- 21:09boat. The human nature of Christ is
- 21:12exhausted and sleeping. It is subject to the timeline of
- 21:15the story. It's experiencing that moment
- 21:18sequentially. But the divine person, the
- 21:21second person of the Trinity, is simultaneously in the eternal
- 21:24sense, upholding the atoms of the water in the wood of the
- 21:27boat. He.
- 21:28Never stopped being God. He never stopped being God for a
- 21:31single second, Lewis makes a bold statement.
- 21:33Here is one that really makes you stop and think.
- 21:35He says. God has no history.
- 21:36That stopped me when I read it. God has no history.
- 21:38We talk about salvation history all the time in theology.
- 21:41We do, but that's the history of God's interaction with us, with
- 21:44his creation, which exists in time.
- 21:46God in himself, no history. Why is that a good thing?
- 21:50To me, history gives things weight.
- 21:51I have a history. My country has a history.
- 21:53It feels like a positive thing. Lewis flips that on its head.
- 21:57He says to have a history means to lose something.
- 21:59To lose something? How so?
- 22:01Where's your childhood? It's gone, it's in the past,
- 22:04it's just memories. It is lost.
- 22:05It slipped away into the past. Where is your old age?
- 22:08Hasn't happened yet, hopefully. So you lack it.
- 22:11To have a history means you are constantly losing reality and
- 22:14waiting for new reality. You are never whole.
- 22:16I am leaking reality. That's a strange thought.
- 22:19We all are. We're buckets with holes in
- 22:21them. But God, God has no holes.
- 22:25He retains everything. He is too completely and utterly
- 22:28real to have a history. So saying God has no history
- 22:31isn't an insult. It's not saying he's static or
- 22:35boring. It's the highest praise.
- 22:37It means he is the solid rock. He is the anchor, and because he
- 22:42is the anchor, the incarnation is the anchor holding fast to
- 22:45the shifting sands of history. The eternal truth became a
- 22:48historical fact. That is the miracle.
- 22:51Man that is heavy, but it solves the sleeping in the boat
- 22:55problem. He isn't switching back and
- 22:56forth between God Mode and man mode.
- 22:59The divine life encompasses the human life eternally.
- 23:02Yes, the humiliation of the cross, the weakness of the baby.
- 23:06These are not things God passed through and left behind.
- 23:09They are eternally part of the identity of Christ.
- 23:12Now He is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
- 23:16OK, we have one more giant dragon Dislay in this chapter,
- 23:19and this is the one that usually starts the bar fights in
- 23:21seminary. Free will.
- 23:23Free will versus predestination, or more specifically in this
- 23:26context, free will versus divine foreknowledge.
- 23:30It's the classic dilemma, isn't it?
- 23:31If God knows what I'm going to do tomorrow, do I have a choice?
- 23:34Walk us through the logic of the objection.
- 23:36Lay it out for us. The skeptic says God is
- 23:39omniscient. He knows everything.
- 23:40Therefore, God knows that tomorrow morning at 8, AMI will
- 23:43eat scrambled eggs. OK, a simple premise.
- 23:46Now the skeptic continues, Since God cannot be wrong, it is an
- 23:50unchangeable fact that I will eat scrambled eggs when 8:00 AM
- 23:55arrives. I must eat scrambled eggs.
- 23:57If I tried to eat pancakes, I would make God a liar, which is
- 24:00impossible. Therefore, I have no freedom.
- 24:03I am programmed to eat the eggs. It makes me sound like a robot.
- 24:07A scrambled egg eating robot. My choice is just an illusion.
- 24:10Here's a logical trap. The premise is if it is
- 24:13foreseen, it is fixed. So how does the time concept get
- 24:17us out of the trap? It attacks the word foreseen.
- 24:21We're back to the telescope idea.
- 24:22Right. The objection assumes that God
- 24:24is standing in today looking at tomorrow through a crystal ball
- 24:28or a super powerful telescope. It assumes he is predicting your
- 24:31behavior based on perfect data. Like a supercomputer predicting
- 24:34the weather, given all the variables, it calculates the
- 24:36outcome. Exactly.
- 24:38But if God is outside of time, he isn't predicting, He is
- 24:42observing. Explain the difference.
- 24:43That's a key distinction. Let's say you look out your
- 24:46window right now you see your neighbor walking his dog, OK?
- 24:49I see him, he's wearing a red jacket.
- 24:51The dog is a golden retriever. Does your seeing him force him
- 24:54to walk the dog? Did your observation 'cause it
- 24:57to happen? No, he chose to walk the dog.
- 24:59I'm just watching it. Happen.
- 25:01Does your knowledge of the red jacket cause the jacket to be
- 25:03red? No, of course not.
- 25:06My knowledge is a result of the reality, not the cause of it.
- 25:09Precisely. Observation does not destroy
- 25:11freedom. Now elevate that to God.
- 25:14God is looking at your tomorrow, but to Him it isn't tomorrow, it
- 25:18is now. So he is looking at the
- 25:20scrambled eggs on the plate. He is watching you pick up the
- 25:23fork. He is watching you chew.
- 25:25He is seeing it as a present reality.
- 25:27He isn't guessing. He isn't calculating
- 25:29probabilities. He is looking at the event
- 25:32itself as it happens in His eternal present.
- 25:35So God knows I will eat eggs, because in his view I am eating
- 25:38eggs. Yes, the ACT is free.
- 25:40You chose the eggs. God simply sees the choice you
- 25:42freely made. This implies that God's
- 25:45knowledge follows the event, logically speaking, even if it
- 25:48perceives it from our temporal perspective.
- 25:50In a sense, yes, Lewis says. And this is a bit of a brain
- 25:54twister. He does not know your action
- 25:57until you have done it, but then the moment at which you have
- 26:00done it is already now for him. That is a brain twister.
- 26:04Let me try to say that back. So my action happens and my
- 26:08doing it is what makes it known. It's just that for God, the
- 26:11moment I do it is a moment He has always been seeing.
- 26:14You got it. It essentially means you are
- 26:17free to do what you want, but whatever you freely choose to
- 26:21do, God has already seen it. Now I have to play the Reformed
- 26:24card here because Lewis was Anglican and sometimes Anglicans
- 26:27can get a little squishy on the sovereignty side.
- 26:30Reformed theology would go a step further, wouldn't it?
- 26:32We would yes, we would say yes, God observes the action, but why
- 26:35is the action there to be observed in the first place?
- 26:38Because he wrote the book. Because he is the author, Yeah.
- 26:41The reformed view says yes. You freely chose the eggs.
- 26:45You weren't coerced. You did what you wanted to do.
- 26:48But who gave you the appetite for eggs that morning?
- 26:50Who created the hem that laid the egg?
- 26:52Who arranged the molecules of the universe such that you were
- 26:55standing in that kitchen at that moment?
- 26:57God. So we can hold both truths.
- 27:00God is the author who wrote the same Determining that it would
- 27:03happen, He decreed it. But he wrote it in such a way
- 27:06that the character acts freely according to his nature and
- 27:09desires. That's the secondary causes
- 27:11doctrine you find in the Westminster Confession.
- 27:13Exactly. God is the first 'cause but he
- 27:16works the secondary causes, your will, your appetite, the frying
- 27:20pan. He doesn't override your will.
- 27:21Like a puppet master, He creates the context in which your will
- 27:25freely operates toward his ordained end.
- 27:28But Luz's point about time helps remove that feeling of being a
- 27:32puppet. It keeps us from fatalism.
- 27:34It does. It saves us from fatalism.
- 27:36Fatalism says whatever I do doesn't matter.
- 27:39The result is fixed. The Eternal now says what you do
- 27:42matters immensely because God is watching you do it right now.
- 27:46He is the eternal spectator of your life as well as the author.
- 27:49And that restores the dignity of human action.
- 27:51We aren't just gears in a machine.
- 27:53We are living characters in a drama that is being eternally
- 27:56enjoyed by its creator. We have covered a massive amount
- 28:00of ground here. We've gone from switchboards to
- 28:02pilots to novelists to geometry to scrambled eggs.
- 28:06It is a lot to take in. It's a dense chapter.
- 28:08And Lewis knows it. I love how he ends this chapter.
- 28:10He basically puts his hands up and says, look, this is not the
- 28:14gospel. It is a very important
- 28:16disclaimer, he says. This is a Christian idea,
- 28:19meaning it has a long and respected tradition of the
- 28:22Church, but it is not in the Creed.
- 28:24You do not have to swear allegiance to the eternal Now to
- 28:28be saved. You don't have to understand
- 28:29metaphysics to love Jesus. Thank goodness for that.
- 28:32That's a relief for all of us, Lewis.
- 28:34Says If these ideas help you, use them if they remove a
- 28:39stumbling block, if they help you pray with more confidence or
- 28:42understand Jesus better, or trust God's plan more than they
- 28:46are good tools. But if they just make you dizzy?
- 28:48If they sound like philosophical nonsense to you.
- 28:50Then scrap them. Forget you ever heard this.
- 28:52Put them on the shelf. Maybe you'll come back to them
- 28:55in 10 years and they will click, or maybe never, and that is
- 28:59fine. Theology is meant to be a window
- 29:01to look at God, not a painting to look at for its own sake.
- 29:05If the window is dirty for you, find another window.
- 29:07But. For me this window is crystal
- 29:10clear. It solves so much.
- 29:12It was a game changer for me as well.
- 29:14It took God out of the big man in the sky box and put him back
- 29:17where he belongs, as the transcended ground of all being.
- 29:22So let's bring this in for a landing.
- 29:24We always want to leave our listeners with something
- 29:25practical because reformed thinking isn't just about big
- 29:29heads, it's about big hearts. How does this change your
- 29:32Tuesday morning? For me, it revolutionizes
- 29:35prayer. I struggle with a feeling of
- 29:37rushing. I rush through my Bible reading.
- 29:39I rush through my prayer list. I feel like I'm wasting God's
- 29:42time. Hurry up, God has a universe to
- 29:44run. Get to the point.
- 29:45Exactly. But this truth tells me there is
- 29:48no rush in the internal. No, God has all the time in the
- 29:52world for me. I'm not competing for His
- 29:54attention. I have His ear completely.
- 29:57It invites me to slow down, to breathe, to actually be with
- 30:01Him. It validates that desire to be
- 30:03known. We all want to be known fully
- 30:06and deeply. This doctrine says you are known
- 30:09better than you know yourself. You are the protagonist of the
- 30:12story God is paying infinite attention to.
- 30:15And it gives me peace about my life.
- 30:17I often feel like I'm losing time.
- 30:19I'm getting older, my kids are growing up too fast.
- 30:21The sand is running out of the hourglass.
- 30:24That's the tragedy of the timeline, isn't it?
- 30:25The constant sense of loss. But this view reminds me nothing
- 30:30is lost to God. My children as babies, they are
- 30:34still present to him. My parents who have passed away,
- 30:36they are present to Him. The best moments of my life
- 30:39aren't gone. They are permanently written in
- 30:41the book. They are safe in his eternity.
- 30:44That is a beautiful thought. God is the keeper of our days.
- 30:46He gathers up the fragments so that nothing is lost.
- 30:49I want to leave the listener with one final thought,
- 30:51something to chew on this week. It's a bit of a provocation
- 30:54building on that. So for it, if God sees our whole
- 30:57life as a single now, if he sees the line on the page all at
- 31:01once, what does that mean for grace?
- 31:04What do you mean by that? We tend to think of grace
- 31:06sequentially. I sin, then I feel bad, then I
- 31:10confess, then he forgives. It's a transaction that happens
- 31:14in time, right? A process.
- 31:16But if God sees the whole line, he sees the sin I committed
- 31:19yesterday, the struggle I am having today, and the Saint I
- 31:22will be in glory all at the same time.
- 31:25He sees the finished product. Does that mean that when he
- 31:28looks at you, messy, struggling, imperfect you, he is
- 31:33simultaneously seeing the glorified, perfect Christ like
- 31:37you, that you will be in heaven? That would mean His love for you
- 31:41isn't just based on your current performance.
- 31:42It's not a response to how good you were today.
- 31:45It's based on your eternal reality in Christ.
- 31:47It means grace covers the person, not just the moment.
- 31:50He loves the whole line from beginning to end.
- 31:53That is the gospel. He who began a good work in you
- 31:55will carry it on to completion, because in his eyes it is
- 31:58already complete. It is finished.
- 32:00Amen. Thank you for walking through
- 32:02this deep water with us. We hope your mind is stretched,
- 32:04but more importantly, we hope your view of God is bigger than
- 32:07it was an hour ago. Keep thinking, keep reading.
- 32:10And we will see you next time on reformed thinking.