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So Many Dynamos: Maureen McVail’s 22-Year Journey to Empower Women in Motorsports · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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Break Fix podcast is all about capturing the living history of people from all
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over the autos sphere, from wrench, turners, and racers to artists, authors,
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designers, and everything in between.
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Our goal is to inspire a new generation of Petrolhead that wonder.
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How did they get that job or become that person?
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The road to success is paved by all of us because everyone has a story.
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Michelle Mutan, Janet Guthrie, Lynn St. James Danica, Patrick Simona de
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Silvestro, and the late Sabine Schmid.
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These are names many of us recognize in the racing Hall of Fame and without
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women like our guest tonight, a woman who avidly promotes the empowerment
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of women in motor sport with boundless enthusiasm, encouraging women's
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participation in all roles of auto racing.
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Countless new names would be left off this list.
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Motorsports opportunities or MORacing for short was created to inspire, mentor
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and amplify opportunities to drive crew or avidly spectate at the racetrack.
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Joining us on Break Fix to tell us all about her Motorsports journey and how
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she built MORacing is Founder and Chief Innovation Officer Maureen McVail.
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Tanya, and as Maureen has mentioned to us behind the scenes, this story is 22 years
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in the making and we welcome her to break fix, to share that story with everyone.
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So welcome, Maureen.
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Thank you so much, both of you, for a wonderful invitation.
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Normally we would just jump right into the who, what, where, or when of.
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Whatever, or whoever we're we're talking to or about.
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But we realize there's a lot more to the MORacing story than meets the eye.
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So we think it's fair that we start with Maureen the Petrolhead, and
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see how she got into motor sports.
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In 1999.
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I had a newborn, my second son, and instead of getting a minivan, I got a 1984
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Porsche Carrera and knew that it belonged on a racetrack and not on the streets.
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But what drove you to that?
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Pun intended.
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I love it.
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The honest story is I was married at the time and now have a wonderful co-parent.
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We divorced and I will not say it was over the driving stuff, but might
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have had something to do with it.
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Instead of getting an engagement ring, I wanted a black Wrangler geek to show
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that my true love wanted to marry me.
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He promised the black Wrangler g. Then after our second child was born, I
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didn't see the Black Wrangler Jeep yet.
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So I changed it and I said, now I want a black Porsche.
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And so we went out searching and looked around and found a beautiful
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1984 Carrera, which I brought my then seven month old home in one of
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those baby carriers in the backseat.
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And I did not think that was terribly unsafe because.
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Porsches are made of steel up.
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I'm gonna say, I'll look that a car is way more practical than the ring.
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I like where your head was at.
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Yeah.
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So again, having a toddler and mommies and mes expecting me to show them my new van.
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I took my 1984 Carrera and got addicted driving in high performance
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driver's ed at Pocono Raceway.
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After that first time around driving, I knew I was hooked.
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Then in 2000 through 2005, I drove that same Porsche, and of course it got more
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and more modified, and I did some of the work myself, including changing the brakes
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at the track, changing out brake pads.
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So Maureen, were you always a petrolhead?
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Because this is already into your adult life where you go, I want a Porsche.
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What drove you to a sports car?
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I come from a family of educators.
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My dad was a classical music professor, my mom a teacher, and I
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always mention, 'cause I'm so proud, she had her master's from Harvard.
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So she was no shrinking violet because I did not have any automotive background.
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I swear that this is just natural.
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I used to joke that Mario Andretti was my real father and that did
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bother my real biological father who sent me a Christmas card once.
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Loved Mario.
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But anyway, that aside.
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In 1972, my father was on sabbatical with the entire family and we
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bought, we noticed I was probably 11.
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I still think I had something to do with it.
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Bought a Mercedes-Benz two 20 diesel oil, and that is what, five years
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later, I learned how to drive in stick shift, which I believe and.
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Tanya maybe can help me with this is I'm trying to find out what percentage of
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women drive manual transmission so we can figure that out together in the future.
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It's a very small percentage.
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Yes, very small.
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A single digit.
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I think the number is increasing though, because I know a lot of women that have
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said as they've gotten older, they're like, I wish I learned, or I. Bond
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Day bought a manual and I learned and I'm like, wait, you drive a manual?
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Really?
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I'm always pleasantly surprised, but I'm always like, yes,
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another person driving a manual.
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I get excited about that.
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I think it's a good thing.
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Your enthusiasm for them Driving stick is the same as my enthusiasm.
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I know that I've personally had an impact on at least 15 people joining
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High Performance Driving and some of them buying a Miata, which is fine with me.
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I don't care what it is.
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Just so you enjoy driving it.
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People who borrowed my car are now HPDE addicts.
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Then a big time move.
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I sold that highly modified 84 Carrera, and I bought a friend's modified cup car.
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Yes, that is a cup car with a very tall first gear, which
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I stalled out several times.
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Oops.
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My first time driving it after I went sideways in turn nine at Watkins
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Glen, after a year of driving the cup car, I said, okay, it's for
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sale so that I don't sell it all.
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Crumpled up.
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Sold that and went to a RS America, which I drove and also we
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campaigned and Porsche Club racing.
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So my co-owner of that car is a guy, but he's one of the girls.
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Anyway, we'll get to that later.
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Then in 2011 I bought a 9, 9, 6 for myself for street driving and then started
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loaning that car out for de events.
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Two women drove it at Sebring in uh, driver's ed.
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I had it shipped down and shipped back.
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I'm in the Philadelphia area, so that was quite a feat.
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2011, I mentioned the 9, 9 6, but it also, a key time in that date is
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I had a co-ed event for the women's round table, which had only had women
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gatherings and I had that at the Symon Museum, which you should look up if
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you have not been in the Philadelphia area, is a premier car collection.
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And Dr. Fred Simeon is wonderful, so I'm very proud of that.
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I had a gathering there.
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We had an opera singer and people bring in Porsches and of course
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the 50 some cars there on display.
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So that brings us to 2012 through 2019.
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Of course, I selling the other ones out from under me.
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My Cayman S was co-owned and we ran that in GTB one Porsche Club racing.
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When I say we ran it, I did not drive.
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I was semi-retired by now.
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My reaction time is not as great as it used to be.
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I still enjoy driving, but I find it, it's much more competitive now.
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So I've never raced myself.
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I have co-owned a race car and ran a racing team, so that brings us to 2020.
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After selling the G GTB one, I got a Ford Mustang for a
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women's She leads road rally.
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Say that 10 times fast.
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She leads Road Rally, which I was the Pace car.
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We had a police escort in and out of Philadelphia and in and out of
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Scranton where we had a pit stop going to Seneca Falls, please look
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up Seneca Falls and see what it means as far as women's development.
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And it was the first Women's Rights Convention back in 1870 something.
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The road rally was a huge success, even considering it was done during COVID.
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We had 25 cars and about 55 people.
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Probably without COVID it would've had busloads of people.
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There was a lot of interest in it.
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I also wanna add to my resume.
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I bought in 1998, M three, which was one of my favorite cars, which
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I lent out to have women drive in.
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DE had 200,000 miles on it and it was a wonderful car and
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I really regret selling it.
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And finally it brings us to 2022.
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I just purchased a 2008 9, 9 7, and I am learning about it.
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And my goal with this car is that I will do personally all of the work on it.
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Of course.
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Using a friend's lift.
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So that brings us to the present.
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Looking at your driving history over the last 20 plus years, somewhere in
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there, the idea for MORacing was born.
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So what was the driving factor?
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What was the catalyst that suddenly you woke up one day and
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say, I need to do this, and why?
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I'm into Palindromes because I'm a linguist and I have a bachelor's in
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Russian, and no, that doesn't help anything and it's coming in helpful.
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Now I can read what's going on in the news.
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The palindrome that I use kind of as my motto is so many dynamos.
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You can read it both directions.
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So many dynamos is the same both ways.
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And back to the percentages again.
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I know that more than 50% of the world is occupied by women and they
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are driving force, quote unquote.
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I wanted to see more women around at the track, and so basically
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I'm admitting to you I'm a sexist.
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I believe that there should be more women.
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Men who treat them just as drivers, which is what led me to want to do
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more racing because I had male allies and the male allies, to me is the best
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part of what I'm doing because I get men who say I have daughters or I have
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sisters, or I, my mother were petrolhead as you call them, or car enthusiasts.
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So that's what got me going.
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I wanna ask you one that normally I think we would make almost consider
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it a pit stop question, but this is important to the story that we're
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telling here today, and that's the development of these alternate motors
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sports events like the WF one W series.
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There's all these Yeah, the W series.
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I wanted to get your take on that construct, that idea, and how
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you feel about the future of that or, or where it should be going.
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And now I'm going to tread very gently because there are different opinions
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on the W series and my personal opinion is I don't wanna piss anybody off.
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My thrust of what I'm saying is that men and women can compete on the same level.
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Therefore, the Women's Series is not a great thing because
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it's kind of a showcase.
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Now, I will say that my male allies who bring articles to me and
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constantly are saying, you should meet so and so and such and such.
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Bringing it back to Don Cox, he believes that the Women's series
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is a great thing because it's spotlighting the women drivers.
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Not that they're women, but that they're drivers who are women.
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So that's my take on the Women's W Series and Pippa Mann got really involved in
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arguing the other side of that, meaning I think she's with me, that men and
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women should be able to compete using the great neutralizer called a car.
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The machine that propels us all to fast in the same way, regardless
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of who's behind the steering wheel.
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So what exactly did MORacing start?
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What are you guys into?
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Are you strictly HPDE?
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Are you doing all branches of Motorsport MORacing started 2016.
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We chi the 9, 9 6 down to Seabring.
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Where I had a coach ready for two friends that flew down, so
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that's when MORacing started, but it was under a different name.
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If you're familiar with Shift Up now, shift Up was originated
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between Lynn Keho and myself.
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In fact, I'm very proud to have designed the logo.
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But anyway.
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Shift up was then renamed to shift up.
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Now when Lynn and I separated my interest being HPDE and Lynn's interest being the
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athletes that she has, and I believe Lynn has now given shift up over to Pippa Man.
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Who I wanted to mention should be in your lineup of women that you
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mentioned early on, plus again, so many other dynamos, Catherine Legg,
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et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
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There's so many, it's hard to keep track of, but Pippa Man is
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now heading up, shift up now.
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So MORacing started then.
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I just didn't name it yet.
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Still don't love the name because I'm not a racer.
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I am a race car and race team manager and crew chief, and.
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Many bottle, washer, whatever you wanna call it, it's still going on.
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And you asked what we are involved in and we is, there are two women that help
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with the website and communications, and this really is just growing now,
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I swear it's manifesting itself as we speak because I just met and spent some
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time with Beth Coretta last Tuesday, a week ago today in Indianapolis,
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where she was a keynote speaker.
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Speaking of which, I do some speaking engagements, which is not my forte, but
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I am really good at giving clinics and workshops to the likes of Girl Scouts.
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All girls schools, girls can do anything.
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Group religious groups, I don't care who it is, young.
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Kids who drag their feet and they're like, okay, what are we doing now?
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And then when they get to sit in the race car and change the lug nuts
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on a race car, they definitely have a smile and a grin on their face.
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And I know that somebody out of that group is going to pursue a STEM career.
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Whether they know it or not.
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And that's my goal.
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So our audience might be surprised to know that you're actually friends with
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one of our previous guests on Break Fix, a lady by the name of Miss Mary
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Hague, who was on here talking about her STEM program known as Moon Mark,
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where they're doing a lunar race.
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And Tanya was on that episode as well.
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Mary and I go back, she's friends we met at the track and uh, always a
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delight to have on the show, but you're personal friends with her, obviously
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coming up through the Philadelphia area.
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So in the vein of that episode that we did, we talked a lot about.
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Dem and a lot about inclusion and diversity and things like that.
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Well, you mentioned your prior podcast with Mary Hague and I happened to just
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go to the auto show with her last Friday, so we were hanging out and I brought my
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26-year-old son along and the two of them met that evening and chatted for hours.
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It seemed like Mary is the best.
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She's another dynamo of so many dynamos.
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A lot of folks often confuse.
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Getting into racing with having to have some sort of engineering
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or technical background.
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I wanted to get your opinion as you're working on these clinics as to what are
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some of the barriers to entry into racing?
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Is it really as difficult as people make it seem?
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Is it really that geeky?
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Do you need a background in hard sciences to get involved in racing?
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It's not difficult to get involved 'cause I use myself as an example.
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I was a mother of two toddlers and have a bachelor's in Russian and
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do not speak English terribly well.
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And I registered, showed up and my first event happened to be with the
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BMW Club even though I had a Porsche.
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People are welcoming into this.
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And it is not at all necessary to be mechanically knowledgeable
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or anything geek like you can just show up and have some fun.
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And the impetus for me to do it was to go fast.
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I'll circle back to the clinics thing 'cause I find that very interesting.
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You mentioned that you're just from the Philadelphia area, so are you
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across the United States having impact, or right now you're localized
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in the northeast, Mid-Atlantic region, or what's the goal there?
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The goal is to have worldwide, let alone nationwide.
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I'm dating myself here by having home economics.
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We learned how to sew, hems and cook.
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So instead, I think there should be car maintenance class, maybe a three
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to four series workshop or class.
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And along with check balancing, um, that's called race car budgeting.
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Call that Porsche dollars.
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Get it.
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Porsche.
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There's a Porsche tax.
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Don't forget.
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Oh yes.
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Trust me.
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I just went through that.
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I think your clinic aspect is really great.
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So what are you doing there specifically?
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Like what are some of the activities?
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Is it you got your race car there and you're doing demonstrations, or
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are you doing even mini STEM type?
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Activities, they're building something or I have a handout that, number one, I
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let them try on fire suits and helmets.
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And again, this was all pre COVID because with COVID I haven't done any workshops or
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clinics, which makes perfect sense to me.
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Prior to that, just engaging the kids in safety and asking me questions and you
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know, saying, oh, the guy's being macho.
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I'm sorry, I'm being sexist again.
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But the young men are always showing off and saying, oh, I would be
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able to really race really fast.
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I always say to them, you can race really fast in a straight line,
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but what if you have to turn right?
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You know, like at Watkins Glen in the bus stop.
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So I don't use that terminology with them.
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It comes more naturally and flows when there's a bunch of kids around.
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Revving the engine.
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Talking about safety first.
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Put your seat belts on no matter what.
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At any point in the car, I get them to sign my helmet and pledge that they will
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in fact tell all of their friends and family members to put their seat belts on
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the second there, butt hits the seat, and sometimes I bring in Lori Johnson again.
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Somebody else I'm giving a shout out to.
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Laurie Johnson's of Lady Start Your Engines, does workshops and clinics
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and sometimes I let her take over and do the clinic, and she is wonderful.
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She's a mechanic.
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Right now I'm located in the Philadelphia area, and of course
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we went to Seabring in 2016.
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This is obviously something that should be offered.
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I don't care whether it's under the auspices of MORacing or just becomes
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part of the curriculum for middle school and lower education so that we
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can get some petrol heads developed.
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By age 10 if we need more of that.
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And not even just for, you know, no offense to the men out there, but there's
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a lot of guys that dunno how to change their own, uh, wheel or tire either.
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So, exactly.
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And that brings us to the male allies.
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Again, I have a personal story about that for the people who are
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behind the scenes of MORacing.
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My co-owner of the car is a coach and racer and.
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Without him, I would not be doing this.
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He and my pals that we do two-wheeled Tuesdays, which is we hang out in the
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garage and have beers and work on cars.
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And the personal side of the story is one of the guys that I hang out
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with actually had breast cancer.
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So how's that for non-traditional and stereotypes and breaking the biases?
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There you go.
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I have somebody on my team who does a lot of work on radio with me in such
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day of event who had breast cancer and survived, and it happened to be a male.
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It's rare, but it, it can happen, unfortunately.
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Yes.
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I mean, it sounds like you've been very fortunate with all the male allies
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as you've gone through this journey.
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Have you had the opposite?
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Because I've been doing HPD events for years now, and even
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before that in non-competitive go-karting events where you're just
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going to the, you know, indoor.
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Tracks for fun and, and unfortunately I've been the recipient of the not ally
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side of things where I had a guy on the go-kart track try to take me out.
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He t-boned me and his cart was about two inches from hitting my helmet.
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'cause that's how far he rode up.
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Out of anger that I was.
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Faster than him in a non-competitive event.
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Oh, and I've gotten, and that's something unfortunate.
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Fortunately, the male friends of mine and family members may or
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may not have spun him out later.
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All right.
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Payback is, you know what, in retaliation of having witnessed it, you know her hand.
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I'm sorry that happened to you.
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It's unfortunate, you know, and I, and I go to the track and I get the
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guys that are really excited when they see you and they're like, wow,
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you're changing your tires yourself.
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That's so cool.
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And they stare at you like they've seen, I don't know, some foreign
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animal they've never seen before.
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Or I've gotten to people that kind of laugh at me.
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You're going on the track in that.
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Really.
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And then after I've done a session, they, they come back up and they're
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like, wow, you're really fast out there.
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I'm like, thank you.
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Okay, good to me.
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That's great.
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Thank you for your bias.
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I mean, have you been lucky and been on the fortunate side of the
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allies or have you experienced some of the, the negative stereotyping?
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Well, you just reminded me of one of my favorite stories.
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I was at Summit Point.
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Changing out my own brake pads at the track and everybody wanted to help.
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And I said, absolutely not.
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I wanted to do this myself so that I know that I can do it.
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And I actually had one of my male allies stood there as I was working, turned
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people away who were offering their help.
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Hmm.
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Because I had it covered.
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If we're gonna name drop now, I'm gonna name drop.
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Don Cox was my instructor.
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At Pocono and Don Cox should mean something if you
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follow Penske Racing at all.
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He was the chief engineer for seven Indie wins and many, many, many other
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inventions and things like that.
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He was my instructor and has been my bow and pal and buddy, whatever you wanna
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call it, for the last almost 20 years.
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Do I ever get the sexist garbage of, where's your husband?
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Are your sons here?
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What are you doing here?
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Kind of thing.
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You ask if I had luck.
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I think I created my luck in that.
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I don't have any tolerance for being treated any differently, and
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my passion and dream is to someday have an all women's racing team.
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Have nobody know that it's an all women's racing team until everybody takes
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their helmets and gear off at the end.
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You know, flowing hair of whatever color.
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Preferably not blonde, but yes, us brunettes need our time in the light.
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Damn straight.
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So I have to ask this question.
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Because both of you have probably similar experiences, but on
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different ends of the pendulum swing.
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And what I mean by that is a couple of years ago, Tanya stepped out
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of doing DE and became a coach.
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And Maureen, you've been a coach for many, many years.
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What I mean by sharing in the experiences, probably being the only
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female coach in the room and then dealing with that come game day,
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you know, being in the right seat.
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So maybe you guys wanna discuss what that was like from both
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sides and compare swap stories.
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Well, let me clarify.
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This is particularly important that I am not an instructor.
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I loan out my car and I'm an advocate for women, and I'm well known as a pest,
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but I have never sat right seat because I thought that people were crazy to do that.
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Tanya, nothing against you, but I had two sons that I was bringing up.
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I always said, we are wearing helmets, we have the harnesses, and we're all
23:17
going one direction, so we're safer.
23:19
But I just never felt comfortable.
23:21
I think I could have been an instructor, but I never went that route.
23:24
I went more the route of running a car.
23:27
We campaigned, like I mentioned, a couple cars and Porsche Club.
23:31
So Tanya, tell me about your instructing.
23:34
That's fantastic to me.
23:35
Again, small percentage.
23:37
It is small percentage.
23:38
I'm honestly getting more accolades than I deserve 'cause I really
23:42
haven't had a chance to do much.
23:44
In terms of instructing, thanks to COVID, I was able to get out at a
23:47
few events and then, you know, we all locked down and haven't done anything
23:51
for a couple years, so maybe this year.
23:53
Come out of hibernation even so, I mean, not even being a coach, just
23:58
attending HPDE events, it's usually me, and maybe you see two other
24:03
women in the paddock that aren't there supporting somebody else.
24:06
They're actually getting in the car and and running.
24:09
They say that you are the culmination of all of your previous instructors,
24:13
especially in HPD, right?
24:14
You everybody has a natural driving style for the street,
24:18
but when you come to the track.
24:19
You are this homologation to use a racing term of all of your
24:22
instructors, good, bad, or indifferent.
24:24
You've learned something from everybody to the point that you guys are making.
24:28
It's very rare to see a woman in the classroom.
24:31
They're teaching amongst the men, and I've had the privilege of having
24:34
several female coaches over the years, and I've taken a lot more
24:37
away from those coaches than I did.
24:39
Even some of the men, one, especially Ms. Ellen Gutar.
24:43
Thank her because her teaching style, especially when I was running with PCA
24:48
many years ago, was so different that it opened my eyes up and I borrowed
24:52
some of her techniques that I still use today when I'm teaching my students.
24:56
It's different, but again, I have to give her a big shout.
24:59
And I think Tanya too, there was a Canadian coach that she had running
25:03
a Mustang convertible many years ago at an event we went to that
25:05
you had an awesome experience with.
25:07
Yeah.
25:07
When you said that, I had to think, I was like, I haven't had very
25:09
many women coaches, and now as I'm.
25:12
Think back, I've had three in the early days when I was still
25:16
being instructed and whatnot.
25:18
Sounds like a lot, but it really isn't because they were basically each,
25:22
the only woman there at that event and they partnered you up because
25:26
you know, it's like, oh, you drive a front wheel drive, we're gonna
25:28
put you in a front wheel drive car.
25:29
There you go.
25:29
Yeah.
25:30
They were three different events, but basically, yeah, they were
25:33
each the only woman instructor at.
25:35
Any of those events in a sea of, I don't know, whatever, there'll
25:38
be 20, 30 male instructors.
25:40
So yeah, I mean, it's definitely a different perspective when
25:43
you're in the seat with a female.
25:45
I, I don't know, their style is just slightly different.
25:49
You know nothing against the men and it's.
25:51
I don't even know if it's necessarily, you just have a different understanding
25:55
'cause you both are female.
25:56
You, you know, in the back of your minds this is like a big deal that
25:59
you're here both doing it together and you're in the sea of other men and
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it feels really good and empowering when you're passing, you know?
26:07
Yes.
26:08
The guys and their, you know, no offense, their Porsches and I'm
26:11
in this low horsepower car, bye.
26:15
And it's like you got that girl power moment going on that you don't quite
26:18
get the same thrill or empowerment if there's a male instructor in the car.
26:22
Not that it's not exciting to still pass people, but I'll flip that coin around
26:25
and I'll openly admit, we men can be hyper aggressive sometimes, and I actually
26:30
found that the female coaches that I had.
26:32
You kind of check that at the door, and I will admit that they
26:35
were actually more technical.
26:36
As much as we pride ourselves as men is being super technical and knowing all
26:40
about, you know, it's a 13 millimeter and you turn it to this torque spect,
26:43
that's all just nerd Wikipedia stuff.
26:46
But when it came down to the finesse part, the really technical aspects of driving
26:51
it was more like learning how to dance.
26:53
There was a rhythm to it, loved it.
26:54
And there was just a different way of teaching that.
26:57
Again, I've embraced that and I loved it, and it was one of
27:00
those things that it was just.
27:01
So refreshing and, and yet so rare at the same time, I hate to say with, I
27:05
can get in cars with other guys, and I, I kind of know what I'm gonna get.
27:08
It's written right on the packaging.
27:10
I'm making a gross generality here, but every once in a while there's
27:13
that bluebird that just appears and you're like, wow, that was amazing.
27:16
I. Totally blew my mind.
27:18
And those are the types of experiences that I've had over
27:20
the years with female coaches.
27:22
So again, I wanna encourage more women to step up and get out of intermediate group.
27:26
You know, we do see women out there on the track and, and take the chance, get
27:30
in the right seat and become a coach.
27:31
I was gonna say, you've just.
27:33
Talked about my mission at MORacing.
27:35
In order to be an instructor, you have to be an advanced student
27:39
and in order to be an instructor you could potentially be a racer.
27:43
Hint, Tanya, you would be welcome anytime.
27:46
Thank you.
27:46
Come construct or guest drive my new used 9, 9 7.
27:51
Seriously, that's an open invitation.
27:53
You just gave me a flashback.
27:55
I am in the reason Toter region, which is Philadelphia, greater
27:59
area, and I think it means.
28:01
Monster Slayer in German, recent to has a lot of female instructors, of which I
28:08
really learned a lot, and you just gave me a flashback at Summit Point, her saying,
28:13
come on, why are you lifting a little, you, you know, you've got this, you've
28:17
got this, and you can pass these guys.
28:19
They're not as good as you.
28:20
And to have that voice in my head was incredible and so empowering.
28:26
And then there were several.
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Women coaches, and I mentioned that Pippa mam, I had her come
28:31
and instruct two female drivers.
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She jumped in with our chief instructor and he absolutely was in heaven
28:39
because she can really instruct and I think she has the record for the
28:43
fastest time in the 500 for a woman.
28:46
Wow.
28:46
So she was quite a instructor and coach.
28:49
There's a lot of things you'll hear.
28:51
They actually say that not to toot our horn, that women tend to actually be,
28:55
you mentioned they're more technical giving the instructions, but they
28:59
also, there's a lot of evidence that women can tend to be a little more
29:02
technical in their driving style too.
29:05
They're a little more consistent.
29:06
They're a little more precise.
29:07
They don't quite get that red mist as easily as the men folk do sometimes.
29:12
And I remember.
29:12
Many years ago, our father was very big into autocross, chair
29:17
of autocross, and he set up the courses and, and did all that stuff.
29:21
And he even did pro solos.
29:23
He was competitive, you know, top of game and things like that.
29:26
And he would host the driver's clinics.
29:28
They were always at the beginning of the autocross season where
29:31
you'd, you'd have, like for people who are unfamiliar, they'd set up.
29:34
Little skid pads and slalom and late breaking and threshold, breaking miniature
29:39
exercises, and you kind of go around to each of these stations all day long.
29:43
You would practice the techniques and then it would culminate in an actual
29:46
alto cross where they'd set up the big course and then you'd go do laps.
29:49
And I participated in one of these, and this was.
29:51
Very early in my general driving career, I don't even remember if I
29:56
was licensed yet, or I, I might've had to have been to participate.
30:00
I forget the name of the guy.
30:01
He had the Green nine 14.
30:03
One of my instructors for one of the, uh, Ken.
30:04
Ken, not, yes, Ken.
30:07
He, Ken.
30:07
Ken is my instructor for some of the, the late breaking exercises, and I
30:10
remember him telling me that I actually had an advantage over the men because.
30:15
The way we depress the pedals on the balls of our feet versus not is
30:19
something of an advantage to us as women.
30:21
'cause of the, basically the shoes we wear and the way we're used to walking.
30:25
And so we actually have a little more finessing control
30:28
than than guys generally do.
30:30
So that's kind of always stuck with me too and found it funny, the
30:33
differences between men and women.
30:35
But at the end of the day, the machines that perel us
30:38
can make us all equally fast.
30:40
Right.
30:40
Love it.
30:42
You're stealing all my lines.
30:45
Sorry, Maureen.
30:45
What can I do?
30:46
Right.
30:47
If you could change something about racing even on the local level to
30:52
make it more inviting, especially to women, what is that thing that needs
30:56
to change to just drop the wall down?
30:58
Make it even easier.
30:59
I know you're doing a lot of work, but as you assess all these organizations, if
31:03
you could give them one recommendation, one piece of consulting to make it
31:06
more inviting, what would that be?
31:08
Make it into kind of like golf outings.
31:11
Instead of having golf outings, we should have country clubs.
31:15
At racetracks, you become a member for a nominal fee.
31:19
Not some crazy country club fee come out on a Wednesday night or Tuesday night.
31:24
Saturday or Sunday and you bring your family and they spectate
31:29
or come along with you sons or daughters or whatever and drive.
31:33
I would like to normalize it.
31:35
That's what I would like to see happen.
31:37
The more women there would be would be nice just to show that, you
31:41
know, we belong there too, right?
31:43
I mean it think it's stereotypes that get built from when we're young that
31:46
the girl gets handed, the Barbie doll.
31:48
The boy gets handed Matchbox car and the two shall not cross when who cares?
31:53
Everybody can do or play with, you know what they want and there's nothing.
31:57
They should hold women back from something like a car.
32:00
We can all learn this stuff.
32:02
So I think it's great.
32:03
When you talked about the clinics of introducing that early on to
32:08
young girls, or even if eventually young boys are in the program too.
32:12
Yes.
32:12
Um, but specifically, you know, young girls.
32:15
So that they know that they don't need to be afraid of this stuff because
32:18
it, in the long run, it's detrimental to women because as they get older
32:23
and they haven't been exposed to this, they're taken advantage of.
32:25
We know this.
32:27
You bought your first car and you needed to go to the dealer, the auto body
32:29
shop, or the auto repair shop and get your car worked on, and the guy sees
32:34
the woman walking in and he ain't just.
32:36
Sit back and he is ready for the ride.
32:39
'cause he knows he is gonna sell blinker fluid, uh, Uhhuh,
32:42
unfortunately to her or something.
32:46
I love it.
32:46
Right.
32:47
And I love it.
32:47
You know, I'm, I'm not trying to put our gender down.
32:51
I mean, it happens to the men folk too.
32:52
Let's be real.
32:53
There's plenty that don't know a lug nut from the windshield
32:57
wiper blade either, but.
32:58
Seems to be forced or perpetuated on women a lot more.
33:03
Maureen, in 2019, you left your job at Drexel Institute's, uh, women's health
33:08
to become a mechanics apprentice.
33:10
What led you to do that?
33:11
What, what made you make that decision?
33:13
I actually left the Institute for Women's Health and Leadership where I was the
33:17
event specialist for 16 and a half years, loving my job every single day because
33:22
of what I got to do, making a difference.
33:24
In women's lives.
33:26
I had this dream that I had reached my pinnacle there and wanted to
33:31
start MORacing as a true initiative, and then had life events with my
33:36
father being ill and then passing away, et cetera, real life things.
33:41
Then COVID.
33:42
It really started taking off and manifesting itself, so to speak.
33:47
I knew that this was my passion and that I would certainly not have a
33:51
lot more time in my life that I could resign from a job and pursue it.
33:55
So again, my timing was a little off.
33:58
With a pandemic starting now, I feel it's picking up again and
34:02
it's going to come to fruition.
34:04
What's the hardest thing about being a mechanic that is?
34:07
The true physicality of it.
34:09
I am no spring chicken.
34:11
I just rotated tires this morning and I balanced tires and I did
34:15
my own rear brakes on my BMW.
34:18
I can do almost anything that I've been taught in the last year plus,
34:22
but lifting is something that I find to be a challenge, but if I
34:27
really want to, I use my tools.
34:29
In other words, I can change out tires not high up on the
34:32
lift, lower down, I can do it.
34:35
It's just, I wish I had the rock.
34:38
I wish I had his muscles and my brain power.
34:41
I, I understand that part.
34:43
I often am, uh, get foiled in my endeavors when I don't have enough strength to un
34:48
loosen some bolt that I can't get off, and then it's like deflated and defeated.
34:53
Can you come help me?
34:56
They need your help too.
34:58
Yeah.
34:59
I'll bet you you've helped somebody else out.
35:01
It's not that I didn't know what I was doing, it is just
35:03
I need to go to the gym more.
35:05
My answer to her usually is, do you have a longer cheater bar?
35:10
And normally I don't.
35:11
Trust me, I've thought of it.
35:14
You had mentioned women walking into the dealer, et cetera.
35:17
Also women being told that they need a new air filter.
35:20
And a new battery being taken advantage of that they had a
35:23
new air filter six weeks ago.
35:26
Mm-hmm.
35:26
So that price gouging, I love to teach to be aware of that and simple things
35:32
like if you're going out in high heel shoes in your car, that you should have
35:36
an old pair of sneakers in the trunk.
35:38
To, to be realistic, I don't wear high heel shoes anymore.
35:41
I'm old.
35:42
So for those of you out there, male and female who wear high heel
35:45
shoes, make sure you have some sneakers in the back of your car.
35:49
There's nothing more exciting when you go to put the clutch in and your foot
35:52
slides straight off because you've got no traction underneath that high heel shoe.
35:57
Exactly.
35:59
Exactly.
36:00
You only gotta do that once.
36:01
And you realize, yeah, look, flip flops in the car is a good idea barefoot.
36:06
Sorry.
36:07
But racing shoes are my preferred way to go all the time.
36:10
I wear Pilates as my daily shoes, so it's all good.
36:13
Well, I, I, I can't wear Pilates to work, you know, but that's, it's all good.
36:18
Mine are pink, by the way.
36:19
My daughter's bought them for me for Christmas, so I'm very proud of that fact.
36:22
I love it.
36:23
Love it.
36:23
Maureen, let's dive a little deeper into some of the drivers you've worked with.
36:27
You've name dropped Pippa man a few times.
36:30
Is there anybody else of note that's working with you on the program or
36:33
have you worked with on other programs as well that Menfolk might recognize?
36:38
Menfolk would recognize?
36:40
Don Cox because for the last 20 years we've been hanging out, so to speak.
36:45
The amount of knowledge that he has imparted on me and the fact
36:49
that these other drivers are like, do you realize how smart he is?
36:54
Et cetera, et cetera.
36:55
So.
36:55
I actually have crewed for him where he actually has depended on me,
37:00
and this is a former Penske chief engineer, so that's a lot of pressure.
37:05
I could take any named race car driver and they're probably not as picky as he is.
37:10
So names of race, car drivers know Pippa's, probably the most
37:14
recognizable and Christina Lamb.
37:17
Is a hell of a driver and she was down at Sebring and we entered
37:22
A BMW into the Enduro race and they actually won in their class.
37:27
Amy Dikes, Christina Lamb, you know Sue Bame, who is a banker and
37:32
another person who is an attorney.
37:34
And then I had somebody come out with their son, a mom and son.
37:38
Team names are not big because I'm trying to really do this on the grassroots level.
37:44
Those are the type of people I'm after.
37:46
And then I'll pass whomever along to shift up now, or now you guys.
37:52
So for the named drivers, there's not a lot other than Pippa.
37:56
But a lot of potential good drivers.
37:58
You have to start somewhere.
37:59
The work you're trying to do is incredibly important because without
38:03
the representation, it's critical for every gender or, you know, race or
38:08
et cetera, is if you don't see others like you in that profession or in that
38:13
area, in that whatever, then you have a hard time seeing yourself there.
38:18
And so having that representation and getting people to realize it has
38:22
nothing to do with gender or anything.
38:25
It's just if you try and you apply yourself, you have the capability
38:29
and capacity to do these things.
38:31
Now, you might find that you don't like them, and that's perfectly
38:34
fine, but don't limit yourself.
38:36
To, oh, boys play with matchbox cars.
38:39
So I couldn't possibly, so I think it's wonderful what you're doing.
38:42
Keep, keep going.
38:43
Well, we call that you have to see it to be it that if you just take it for granted
38:48
that Lynn St. James was driving her pinto.
38:51
Yes.
38:52
She drove a Pinto and her famous story is she drove it into a
38:56
lake or a pond or something.
38:57
For real.
38:58
If you can see these other women doing it, then you can be it.
39:02
And I'm also not just women, I believe that any minority or unrepresented
39:08
group should also be involved.
39:10
So I am very excited when I see somebody of color, you know, either over the
39:15
wall tire changer, I can't think of her name right now, but NASCAR Tire
39:20
Changer and numerous other people.
39:22
A good friend of mine is the safety steward for Reason Toter.
39:26
She's out there in the pits telling everybody what the hell to do on grid.
39:30
She is a powerhouse and her name is Svia Fernandez.
39:35
Yeah.
39:35
So in this vein of, you know, getting the representation out there and, and you
39:39
know, having other young women or other women see women behind the pit wall or in
39:45
the car, or either side of the pit wall, what obstacles are you facing and, and
39:50
how are you overcoming them in regards to getting men on board and really, truly.
39:55
Seeing these women that are changing the tires or helping read the
40:00
data, having those guys see them as true peers and really taking them
40:05
seriously, seeing somebody in action is the best way to get things done.
40:10
So I am trained in motech data acquisition and I also, I dabble
40:15
with AIM data acquisitions, getting guys to believe in me when I can
40:20
say, here's where you are not.
40:22
Full on the throttle.
40:23
Here's where you are breaking early.
40:25
Here's where you're breaking late.
40:26
Here's your fuel consumption.
40:28
Your whole suit is broken.
40:30
It's 110 degrees.
40:31
Now what are we gonna do about it?
40:34
Et cetera, et cetera.
40:35
All kinds of things that, again, action is the best example I think.
40:39
Proof is in the pudding.
40:40
Thank you.
40:41
So that actually leads into another great conversation we've had many times before.
40:45
There's this fallacy that you need a race car to go racing.
40:49
So when you're talking to young ladies that might be interested in
40:52
motor sport, how do you get them to overcome that and realize they can
40:56
just show up with their daily driver?
40:57
Well, that's exactly what I say is you can show up with your daily driver and in
41:01
fact, that is a much better experience.
41:04
What I find in the high performance driver's ed, is people showing up
41:07
in twin turbos and crazy, crazy fast cars that they should not be driving.
41:12
Yes, that's the mother in me.
41:14
As novices that we learned with Momentum cars.
41:18
Porsche Cup car is a beautiful race car and I was really lucky to be able to
41:23
purchase that and drive it for a year.
41:25
And my mentioned before my race car engineer had
41:29
something to do with that car.
41:30
He had modified it completely, so it was like a go-kart wrapped around me.
41:34
Now I went to that extreme of the cup car.
41:37
The other thing for daily drivers is I've taken and lent my BMW 3
41:43
28 xxi to some women drivers and my son to do hooked on driving.
41:48
I actually more enjoy a streetcar and learning how.
41:53
It can perform to driving an all out race car because you have
41:57
to start as a novice anyway.
41:59
And so again, I would love to have a driving school.
42:02
I was lucky enough to do Skip Barber, which they gave me buy one get one free
42:07
because of their belief in my MORacing.
42:11
There should be a MORacing school that brings your streetcar, have
42:15
it teched, and go out and drive with instructors like Tanya.
42:19
I mean, it's a very intimidating sport.
42:23
A lot of people, you know, they find out, you know, I kind of do this, and
42:26
they're not necessarily car enthusiasts at all, so they're unaware that these
42:29
type of activities can even happen.
42:31
And you know, they have that wow moment.
42:33
It's like, really?
42:34
Well, what do you drive?
42:35
I'm like, well, I drive X, Y, Z, or I've driven X, Y, Z. And they're like, wow.
42:39
And I'm like, you could take your Toyota Corolla if that's what you drive, or
42:43
your Honda Civic, your Honda Accord.
42:45
I've seen it.
42:46
I was like, I told 'em, I've seen a Honda Accord out there playing Jane.
42:49
And you know, that person wasn't passing the Porsches down the straits,
42:54
but they were having a good time and they were learning something,
42:57
and that's all that matters.
42:58
So there's also that intimidation that people have that they
43:02
think they can't get into it.
43:03
When you're exactly right, just take your streetcar.
43:06
All you gotta do is make sure you have some decent tires with some tread on them.
43:10
You know, your brake pads and your fluids all fresh and go out there
43:13
and you're not trying to be type of man and all, and all the, the great
43:18
women that are out there right now.
43:19
You can be that person.
43:21
Also just in your regular car, just get out there and learn the basics
43:25
and then, you know, if you find it's for you, you can step up to
43:29
the cup car or you know, whatever.
43:31
See where life takes you.
43:32
Well, Tanya, you're gonna have to come and visit because I've been trying
43:36
to get New Jersey Motorsport Park to have a Wednesday night open trap and
43:41
have that exact same thing happen.
43:44
Of course.
43:45
I think the biggest obstacle there is good old insurance concerns about somebody
43:50
getting hurt, et cetera, et cetera.
43:51
To me, my dream would be instead of going golfing, you go on a weekend and you have
43:56
open track for a half a day or a full day.
43:59
It doesn't have to be for the whole weekend.
44:01
I mean, sometimes it's exhausting in the summer.
44:03
Yeah.
44:04
It's it just go and have.
44:06
Talk to me in a year or a year and a half and we'll be talking about that happening.
44:10
Awesome.
44:11
Some group out there was doing a women's track day.
44:13
PCA down here has been advertising like so far all year that in October
44:17
there's a women's only like HPD event.
44:20
I think it's like.
44:21
Mid late October, which I don't wanna discourage them from doing those
44:25
things, but that to me kind of goes in the category of W race series.
44:30
Right, exactly.
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Um, I want there to be blended so that women don't get treated any differently.
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Like in their regard.
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I could see it maybe as being attractive to at least pull them in at first.
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Maybe some women that are intimidated.
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So.
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Agreed.
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Agreed.
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Hopefully it could it be positive in that respect and then they start realizing and
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then coming out to the blended events.
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I completely agree.
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And so if a young lady walks up to you today, let's say, you know, round
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about 10 years old and asks you the question, Maureen, why do you race?
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What would you tell her?
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Because it's the slowest that I go in my life.
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I'm multitasking at all times doing various projects, being a
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mom, being a employee, being a mechanic, being all kinds of things.
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When I'm racing, I'm going so fast.
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That I cannot be managing thinking of I have to pick up the dry cleaning or
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I have to cook something, which by the way, I don't cook the going fast in a
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safe environment and the fact that you, whoever that person is, you can do it too.
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Maureen, as we wrap up here, are there any shoutouts promotions, upcoming events,
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or anything else you'd like to share?
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My goal is to make sure everybody know, even if I'm repeating myself.
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Everybody knows these fabulous things are going on.
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First off, I think you might have noticed that NASCAR was going to give $10 million
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through Bud Light as a sponsor for Women in Motorsport and Chip Nessi and PNC Bank
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just announced on International Women's Day, a Women in Motorsport campaign.
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They didn't give a dollar amount with it, but I'm sure it's significant.
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And I've had the pleasure of meeting Chip GSI and Roger Penske and Roger
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helped Beth Perreta out and Simone Destro as her driver at Indy 500.
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She, again, is stealing some of what I would like to do
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with the women race car team.
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But remember, I want them to be.
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Known as women after they win?
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Yes.
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No need to beforehand.
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Maureen, you actually bring up a really good point and because I want to talk
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about something that happened a while ago, you know, international Women's Day.
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We do a lot of social media posting and things like that, and I sat on it all
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day and sometimes there's events like that where I'm like, you know what?
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We're not gonna say anything.
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We're just gonna let it go.
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Moment of silence.
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But it took me all day because I just had these thoughts ruminating
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in my mind and I didn't know.
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Exactly what I wanted to say, and then it sort of hit me later in the day.
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I remember as a kid, and I've said this many times on this show, I
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always wanted to be a rally driver.
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I grew up in the group B era.
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It was one of those things that has stuck with me.
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It's what got me hooked on motorsports.
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Even though I know rally's not a big deal in the United States.
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It's, you know, very huge everywhere else.
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But here.
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And at that time as a kid, you know you're looking up to your idols, you know?
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Yeah.
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You had names like Volta Royal and Ola Ari Vain and people like that.
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But then there was Michelle Ton.
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When I posted on International Women's Day, I made it a point to be very
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direct about what I wanted to say and to highlight her because you see
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all this other stuff and I'm like looking back at the eighties and
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the late seventies, 'cause she ran for Renault and other teams as well.
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She was a pioneer.
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In motor sports as a female being out there.
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I mean, the other names that we listed, you know, there were a few
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that came before many that came after, but I looked at her going of all the
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motor sport that there is rally's one of the most difficult, requires
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some of the most just risk taking, but also finesse at the same time.
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And it is a ballet.
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And so I've always looked up to her as one of my motor sports heroes.
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And if you ask me to line up.
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Three, five people that I wanna shake their hand and meet them.
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Sabine Schmidt would've been one of them, and Michelle Zu right next to her.
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Right?
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So I wish there were more people like that, that want to be like her and
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do that and be rally drivers too.
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Uh, so I just wanted to bring that up because that hits close to home for me.
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I know it hits close to home for my family.
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And those are the kinds of stories I'm trying to pass down like yours
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to my daughters as they look to the future and, and go into driving
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and hopefully into motor sport.
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Or if not, if they want to take a ballet, that's fine too.
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But what we're doing is combining the two.
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Absolutely.
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Uh, the whole idea of dancing with a car is at a technical track like
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Shenandoah, which is a small track near summit on the same grounds.
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That's where one of my favorite instructors taught
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me how to dance with the car.
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That's exactly what he said.
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And how to apply the brakes to get more steering input, all kinds
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of technical stuff that I won't.
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Bore you with, I would invite everybody to visit MORacing.net.
49:06
Leave your comments there.
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Email me, contact me, love to hear your feedback.
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Other than MORacing.net, I want to shout out to Vet Motorsports.
49:16
I think you've had Pete on the show, Mary Hague of Moon Mark we
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had mentioned earlier, and again, that's Lori Johnson of Lady.
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Start Your Engines.
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Little plug there, commercial for her.
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Shout out to all the male allies out there.
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Again, without them I wouldn't be able to do it.
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And the Red Cross for any of those drivers out there, I am
49:37
a transportation specialist.
49:40
We pick up the blood and plasma and take it from the central lab out to
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hospitals, and some of it is stats.
49:47
In other words, you can't be caught speeding, but you can certainly utilize
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the fact that you have a Red Cross van.
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So I pull it right into the front of the hospital, put my flashers on, and I'm able
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to take in the cases of blood platelets.
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So shout out to Red Cross and any other car enthusiasts that's out there.
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So stay tuned and if you have any suggestions, I'm open to them.
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Watch out for what we're doing because hopefully in a
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year or so it'll be standard.
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Get it standard manual.
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Save the manual.
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Yeah.
50:22
So we thank Maureen for sharing her journey and the great work she
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is doing with MORacing to empower women in all facets of motor sports.
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MORacing provides the concierge service partnering with established
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high performance driving programs, and they would love to get you on the track.
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So if you are interested or want to learn more, be sure to check out their
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website at www.mmoang.net or follow Maureen on Twitter at mc vail Maureen,
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or on Instagram at Maureen McVail.
50:53
Maureen, we cannot thank you enough for coming on Break Fix.
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This has been an awesome chat that we've had tonight and we look forward
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to the MORacing success and getting more women in the paddock and behind
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the wheel out there coaching all the things that we talked about.
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So again, we can't thank you enough for the work that you're doing,
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and we wish you the best of success here in the 22 and Beyond Seasons.
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And thank you.
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It's been a pleasure speaking with you.
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Thanks so much for the invitation.
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