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Tanach Uncensored: A Masterclass in Jewish Bible Study | Rabbi Arnie Wittenstein | ITVOG Ep. 22 · In the Valley of Giants

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  Ultimate achievement meaning reaching a new level because of.
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  He's reaching the highest possible level for a person or a
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  nation to, to to achieve. OK, he was holding at that point
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  and therefore for good reasons. And therefore he asked Asha from
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  the scion. So he's giving you the Scion,
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  which you couldn't handle. Did you have handled that new
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  Scion? No.
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  OK, so I won't have asked for it.
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  Though, OK, so OK, there's a criticism there, but which I'm
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  not addressing. Let's take dove in a mouth, for
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  example. OK, so dove in a mouth, I'm
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  about Java, right? So if you look at the Sukhim,
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  OK, if you look at the actual text, he did something quite I I
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  don't know what the right word is, but quite evil.
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  What do what do I advise? Because that that's that is
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  critical. You can't have any discussion
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  about, you know, the greatest legacy of the Jewish people
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  without understanding you shine. Hello everyone.
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  Today we're joined by Rabbi Arne Witnessstee, the style and
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  methodology of learning Bible studies.
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  So Tara Anaf is a very difficult thing to master for ABBA
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  Winstein has made his life mission in order to master that.
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  He is a well known Tara scholar. He's a tanaf expert and he's a
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  historian. He's lectured in the Mira Shiva,
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  Tara Shraga and many shows internationally.
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  He has a podcast called the Jewish History Uncensored
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  podcast and we are really pleased to have him on the show
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  today to share with us his methodology of learning Tanaf as
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  well. Answer some kind of critical
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  questions that we have on certain events that happened
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  with the TADA. Enjoy.
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  Ravi Wittenstein. Sean, we're welcome.
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  Robbie Dorfman spend some time. Yeah, spend some time.
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  I'm sure we both have an age today, right?
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  We have what? I'm sure we both have none aged
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  today. Oh, definitely not.
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  There we go. Definitely not.
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  So I want to start off with a story that it's something that
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  you said that I overheard and I've maybe used it 1000 times.
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  OK, don't worry, it's going to be good.
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  But there was someone that had some question on Rashi's
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  commentary on Tanakh and he asked like, why did like, why is
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  he bringing this madrish? And then you said, I don't, I
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  don't understand. Do you think like Rashi was?
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  Let's set the picture. He's in France and it's dark and
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  there's a dimly lit table and there's 1000 Midrashian in front
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  of him. And Rashi just went this one and
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  that one, right, and to show how deep Brushes Parish is.
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  So I'm excited to talk to you about the way we're supposed to
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  look at Tanakh and the way we're supposed to be looking at
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  commentaries as well. I'm going to start off by saying
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  that the way that I look at it is that our understanding of
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  Tanakh has been to three different slices. 1 is what the
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  Tanakh literally says. 2 is how the sages, how Hazal actually
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  look at Tanakh. They actually look at the Bible.
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  And then there are the we show them the medieval commentaries
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  and post medieval commentaries. We have some go into
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  commentaries. OK, but and I would I really put
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  them in three different categories.
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  OK, so how do you think that we should be treating them?
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  Because if you look at Tanakh through the lens of, shall we
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  say, Rashi, you'll get a very different impression.
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  And if you were just look at Uncle us, or if you were just
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  translate to Nah word for word and to your, you know, mother
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  tongue language. So why don't you go over these
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  three categories and how you think we should be looking at
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  them in general and what their objectives were?
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  OK, so let me first repeat what you said to make sure I'm
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  addressing the right thing. We have the text.
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  We have the Midrasham Hazal slash Madrasham, the Draat ship,
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  including Gamar's is non egotedness.
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  And then then we have Rishadam and Afran that that that and and
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  what's the difference in how do we, you know, you know, the text
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  might tell us one thing that Khazam might say something a
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  little different seemingly. And then we shown them and each
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  one's going to have their own approach, sort of.
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  So OK, here, here's here's what I here's one of my, you know,
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  foundational ideas. It took a long time to come up
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  with this. It took a long time.
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  That means 20 to 30 years. Tanakh is by definition, Tara
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  Shivakhsav, written terror. And the entirety of the story is
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  never told. Never.
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  That's how it is. It's terror, Shivakhsav.
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  It's written terror. Written terror doesn't tell you
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  the whole story you have, and that's very intentional.
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  Now, some of it is linguistic. What do you mean by not telling
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  the whole story? Meaning yeah, we don't know what
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  happened. There are huge, huge gaps, for
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  example, in most revenue's life. Is that what you mean or, or or
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  was there more critical to the story that was on purpose left
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  out for us to mine later? Like what do you mean not the
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  whole story? Story Story is told in a vague
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  fashion, which which is specifically given over to
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  interpretation. Let let me just step back and
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  give you sort of a example that I I've given many times.
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  And this is what I've been saying for close to 20 years
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  because I remember the first guys I told it to and target
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  Shraga. And this is my 19th year and
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  target Shraga for the records. So that's pushing 20 years ago
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  in English, undefined modifiers are big no, no's.
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  You do not. You do not say he, she, it,
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  they, him, her when it's not clear who you're talking about.
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  Now, I don't remember. I remember what year it was
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  because I remember the guys, we had a puzzic with four or five
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  undefined modifiers and they weren't all going on the same
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  person. And that is, that is just, I
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  mean, that's partially linguistic, but it's also
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  partially because Tara wants us to be involved.
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  And the place we see this most clearly from, at least to me, is
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  from the one of the first rushes in Tahlem.
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  Where, where it says, where the pusk over there says it says
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  it's good for but he loves teres Hashem, the terrazo.
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  Yeah, Gayomo. So Rashi says it starts out
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  calling it teres Hashem, God's Terra, and then it ends up
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  calling it Teresao is Terra. So Rashi brings us in.
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  Pretty sure it's a Gemara. Rashi rings.
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  Rashi says that, but before Atamakotham works on that, works
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  on it, it's Hashem's terror and after he works on it, it says on
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  terror because we have to be part of it.
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  We have to be part of it. Now when just to like sort of
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  add on to that, about a year and a half ago I finished.
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  I finished and welcomed Dereyamom together.
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  That was a long hard project. The parish that says Rashi on
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  Dereyamom is not Rashi. A very fascinating, you know,
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  some of it is utterly brilliant and some of it like makes no
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  sense at all. Like like Mamish makes no sense
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  at all. And but just based on that, I I
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  came up with the following, you know, like slogan of sorts.
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  You have to understand the process.
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  You have to you respect the process and then you'd be part
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  of the process. That's Teresa Shimta Rosa.
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  When you have it down, then you're able to do that.
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  So the ultimate example of this is Rashi, because this person
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  who lived not that much longer after Rashi tried and he's just
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  some of his things are just like past left.
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  Feel like, you know, I'll give you an example.
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  I hope this won't confuse the the, the everyone out there.
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  The story is it's really a haftarah.
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  It's a haftarah. I think Haftarah Kaisarah of of
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  I'm Adoni Abdun Khagi. So I think that's after I saw
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  it. So after of Naveen Rishonav that
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  we read every year. I'm a little less tolerant of
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  people who know nothing about it.
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  Yeah. Naveen Macronum, they don't get
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  it. I get it via macronum's hard.
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  I got that, I got that. But Naveen Rishonum, it's a
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  story. Come on, Just just pay
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  attention. Read it once at least before you
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  do it every year. Anyway, cancer it it talks about
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  Adoni Abdun Khagi is attempting to become king and Aviosar was
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  trying to help him because he was from Vinay Ailey and he knew
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  that he's going to get being get gotten rid of.
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  OK, it didn't work. Whatever, whatever, whatever.
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  Sudo Rashi in the very end of Deraya Yemen says that that if
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  Yasser was Moshe Adonia bin Haggis with Shamani Mishra and
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  that's like against the steamer of shots in five places.
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  It means he was he was having this to be the Shamayan.
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  I mean it like then when Shlomo sort of half forgives him, he
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  forgives him basically says you'd have to stay outside of
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  your shrine because you were close with my father, but I'm
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  not going to kill you. I'm not going to kill him.
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  He was my chef. He was he was my own shipment on
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  Mishra. You're not going to kill him.
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  That that's the ultimate, the ultimate Merida, the ultimate
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  misappropriation, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
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  It's like, oh, it's a wild statement.
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  Yeah, there's 20 plus statements like that.
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  And after when I finished that all up, I, I, I, I had AI said
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  sure on that one too. And you were upset because you
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  felt that Rashi's claim was baseless.
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  It's not Rashi, it's pseudo Rashi.
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  I don't know who pseudo Rashi. Hey Rashi, that Rashi would
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  never say something crazy like that.
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  Without a source. Without a source.
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  We'll, we'll see. One of the, one of the other
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  places where we see Rashi's subtlety is in almost every case
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  that I'm aware of, there's the Madrish.
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  And Rashi never quotes the Madrish verbatim.
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  Yeah, he always modifies. And you have to think about it.
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  You have to be involved and think about it.
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  And then you with that, you can figure out what Rashi wants to
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  do. So, OK, so this is this is what
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  I call this is, you know, this is, this is, you know, this is
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  Rashi in terms of the in terms of of his Mahalakshad.
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  OK, Madrigal, what do we do with Madrigal?
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  Sometimes Madrigal seem to be saying things very differently
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  than than the so 1 answer is many times it is sadar Drush.
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  It's not sadar. I'll give you, I'll give you an
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  example. I'll give you an example.
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  Kirish de Bonim, Arkansas Hoover Kirish de national person has
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  two wives. He has two wives and one loves
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  one and hates the other one. And the hated one has the bachor
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  has the oldest son, says Loya Lavaca.
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  He can't, he can't make the beloved wife's son the bachor.
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  He has to make the the younger, he has to make the he has to
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  make the older wife. Who's Snuer the bachor.
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  Now the Gemara says in Yavamis he is Snuer Ahuva Snow.
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  Now Malcolm is is it possible that Hashem Kavyako hate
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  somebody Alam Isaac the Kumar the question Good morning Evams.
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  The Kumar says no because this is ahuva benisuwaha and snua
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  benisuwaha. This one the the snua is a Javi
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  ravan and the ahuva is is a woman who's allowed to marry.
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  That's what the Kumar says. Now OK, yeah, that's a good one.
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  That's a good one. Now Rashi doesn't bring that
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  Kumar, you know that. And in my opinion, the reason
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  why is Rashi understands that said that because really Ahuvan
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  Snoo is not going on Hashem, it's going on, it's going on the
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  guy, it's going on the guy. And and and actually interesting
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  you over there says Ahuva Ahuva Mamash, snooze, snooze Mamash.
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  Something says, oh, he's being called Khazal.
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  Well, Rashi Khazal Khazal didn't say that.
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  He said that rush. So don't ask me cashes.
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  Don't ask cashes like that so. OK, fine.
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  So that's the first. That's the first stage, that
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  first stage. OK, so then, so then I'll
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  already stop you there. What is Hazal doing?
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  What are our sages doing? Giving us understandings of the
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  Pasak which are not concretely true.
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  So I have a mahalo here, but I'm not I'm here.
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  For you, what are Hazal? What are Hazal doing when they
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  say something you that's not? You quoted me Agamar and Yavamas
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  and it's not what the Pasak really means.
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  OK, so that so. That so that you know the
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  answer. The answer is, in my opinion,
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  that it's, you know, Chuttu Shumikra has deep importance and
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  I don't think anyone's held on that.
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  We could argue about what's chuttu shumikra, but the Chuttu
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  shumikra has important. So maybe some people are calling
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  when Khazar saying there drush. It's it's I mean, there's two
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  types of drush. Sometimes Drush, sometimes Drush
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  is when, when that when they're sort of they're they're
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  learning, they're learning. Derek Ramez, the pasic says
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  something and the chat says one thing.
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  The basic understanding says one thing, but the terminology is a
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  little harsh or unnecessary. Like Gohuva and Snua, like, who
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  cares? OK, it sort of makes a
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  difference, but it doesn't really make a difference.
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  And, and therefore Derek Drush, they're going to understand that
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  it's a reference to something else that is not not in shot.
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  It's a reference. But in Derek Drush's references,
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  Rashi says numerous places and time and, and, and, and you
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  know, the, the, the, the nature of terror, the nature of terror
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  is that there's multiple level ideas being expressed.
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  And that's all good. OK, Rash is coming to to explain
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  shot sort of clear, sort of clear.
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  Let me say, let me say it back. You're saying that the, the
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  Terror is giving you a it's setting the stage and you're
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  watching the play, but there are nuances in the performance.
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  And what Hazal are doing is they're picking up on those
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  nuances and saying, yes, Tora when it's talking about Hoovah
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  and Snewa, we're talking about the, the, the husband in regards
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  to his wife's. But there's a nuance here,
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  right? And let us set a new stage like
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  the, the behind the scenes scenes.
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  It's almost like a deleted scene, something like that,
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  which is never that God is talking to these, these women
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  and and there's the following law or idea that's supposed to
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  be derived from things. So it's not a lie, but yeah, but
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  what it is, but what it is, is it's saying like there, there
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  is, there's a nod to another idea and and it's another
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  reality that we're also explaining and it's also true.
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  OK. I mean, OK is that is that
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  basically basically look there is sometimes where.
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  Was I right or wrong? Yes.
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  I will. I would basically agree with
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  that. And the reason why I'm
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  emphasizing basically is that that is, you know, when we're
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  saying something's being said, Derek Drush, it's it's sometimes
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  it's not, you know, you're like sort of oversimplifying.
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  You say those past successes, then what the Hell's out doing?
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  So the the answer is is, is is again, is there's it's it's not,
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  it's not really, it's not. There's a contradiction between
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  the drush and the chap per SE. No, there is, but there's not.
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  Wait a second, there is, there's not.
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  And what I mean by that is what I mean by that is, is the is
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  that the is that the is that the drush sometimes is connected to
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  the narrative to what's going on, and other times, other times
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  it's main anasmach that that, you know, it says something, it
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  says something and and and Khazam are saying an idea which
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  not in basic understanding is related, but it is it's you
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  know, it's it's a true SH. You know, I'm not sure if I can
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  think on the spot. A good example for this one
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  where they're saying something that the word says X and they're
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  let's see if I can remember this.
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  Just just wait a second. Tom.
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  My nephew told me some piece recently ish which I can't
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  match. By Avramovino.
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  A second. By Avramovino.
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  Yeah. OK.
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  OK. That's that, that, you know, I'm
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  not sure if this is a good habit or a bad habit.
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  And that is that if I know someone talks about it
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  extensively and I can't remember it, I get hesitant to open my
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  mouth. So there's a lot of discussion
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  how you understand? Yeah.
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  When we took Abraham took his honey Hove.
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  So Rashi brings it to Eliezer, who's gematry the same thing.
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  I believe the morale over there says that it's it, It doesn't
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  mean there weren't 200 and whatever it was who were with
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  them. It's it's just that Eliezer was
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  the ultimate Talmud of rum and the Pasak is hinting to it.
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  Derek. Derek Kamatria, I'm pretty sure.
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  Let let, let me, let me say this whole thing in a very different
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  way, OK? And and flush that a bit more.
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  What I think you're saying and this is something that I
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  personally believe. So you're going to correct me if
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  you don't agree. This is that there's a concrete
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  story, there's a concrete narrative, and the Torah tells
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  you those things. The Torah, again, is setting,
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  setting the stage. However, if a person's going to
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  live only in the world, which is something that they can see and
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  touch, then they're missing a very large part of the story,
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  right? So, for example, OK, a person
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  thinks about doing an avera. This is the common example that
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  I give people when they ask me this question, OK?
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  A person thinks about sleeping with someone else's wife, OK,
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  which is something that they should not do, OK.
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  And and then one could ask, did that person sleep with that
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  person's wife? And the answer is no.
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  Well, concretely, no. But in a form, yes, yes, they
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  absolutely did. Because there is an aspect of
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  reality which is what's going on in their mind when they took
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  that woman and they slept with her, which is a horrible thing,
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  right? So, so just because something
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  doesn't concretely happen, right, doesn't mean that it's
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  not true. So, so Hazal, when they make a
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  drush, they're they're they, they could be saying, I
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  understand this is the, the, the, the push up shot, the
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  simple understanding of the pusick.
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  And that really happened, of course, but there's another
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  layer. But and that layer can be
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  understood either in an abstract sense, OK, which is this is the
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  message that we're giving off and here's a narrative or a
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  story to explain it, or no, there was another story that
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  also concretely happened at the same time.
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  You're just not aware of it, OK. And that's how Jerusalem are
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  kind of split up. Would that be accurate?
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  Yes, I like that and I'll I'll give you a quote what I consider
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  an utterly classic example of this says by Shimshen.
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  But he told him the Vesa sur Hazal say that quotes.
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  I'm going to quote the Khazal. I mean, I'm not going to get it
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  perfectly right because the two cameras whatever Nosfara middle
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  of this year, it says that the police, the police have brought
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  their wives to him and they were Miss Aber and they became
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  pregnant. That seems to say the police was
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  the assumption was just like, you know, having a good time,
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  good time. I don't know what you want to
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  call it. You know, Kilo, there's a
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  problem and the problem is, is he Davins afterwards and Hashem
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  gives him back his strength and his strength was absolutely
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  miraculous. And to synopsize the way I
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  understand the Rambad and I really don't believe there's any
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  other way to understand it, but I this is my opinion.
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  When the Rambad talks about nisi nistaram, you know, we think
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  miracles mean inexplicable action act that there's no logic
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  to it all. And that's how an Ness Mr. is
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  there's logic, there's Rukhmi logic, and the Rukhmi logic has
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  to do with the close connection that Sadiq has to Hashem and the
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  normative of the the Huque Hatava natural law will be bent
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  for the Sonic. So if Shimsha has been given
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  back his strength, then he clearly can't be being over
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  isurim. But mysa, you know, active
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  isurim over and over and over just doesn't makes no sense at
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  all. It's not going to listen to his
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  twila lmi. It means, you know, Kilo, he had
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  an inappropriate, you know, psychologically inappropriate
• 19:27
  relationships with priesty women in modern terminology.
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  They brought their wives to him and he gave them good, you know,
• 19:35
  good therapy. But he was too emotionally
• 19:37
  close. And for Shimshen, who's
• 19:40
  connected to that's called being, that's called as if he
• 19:45
  slept with them because it doesn't really say it just hints
• 19:47
  to it. I think that's an excellent
• 19:49
  example. I love that it's also an
• 19:51
  important aspect of of of infidelity.
• 19:54
  Also not there's there's physical infidelity, but there's
• 19:57
  absolutely psychological. Emotionally, yes.
• 19:59
  Emotionally, absolutely. Absolutely.
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  OK, fine. So that's that's that.
• 20:02
  So that's Tanakh. That's Khazal.
• 20:05
  OK, And what about when we bridge over to the Rishonim?
• 20:07
  Suddenly what's happening there? What's their objective?
• 20:09
  Because I would think the Sages did a pretty darn good job.
• 20:12
  They know what they're doing. They've explained not only what
• 20:15
  the critical text is saying, for example, like Uncleis, although
• 20:18
  you might argue with me in a few points.
• 20:20
  And then we have the offshoots, the the things that we should
• 20:23
  also be understanding from the plastics.
• 20:24
  So what are the we shown coming to do?
• 20:26
  All the work has already been done.
• 20:28
  OK. If you have target Munculus and
• 20:31
  this is the OC, OK, the midrashem, yeah, let me step
• 20:34
  back. Midrashem are are not
• 20:37
  systematically going through the psukum der shot.
• 20:43
  So it's right, we have a lot of midrashem, but that doesn't
• 20:46
  necessarily tell me what shot is Munculus.
• 20:50
  No one could tell me the uncle is not a parish Alderak.
• 20:54
  Upshot. Now there are people who like to
• 20:56
  claim that Rashi's not. And about a year ago, a year and
• 21:01
  change ago, I, I, I, I, I recorded a podcast on it and I
• 21:05
  walked back into the best of British and Gross, Chris
• 21:08
  Tertraga. And guess who was there and then
• 21:11
  other than Romero Tiorsky. And I was late and I knew if I
• 21:16
  talked to him, it's going to take at least 5 minutes, if not
• 21:18
  15. But it was like one of these
• 21:20
  opportunities that if I don't take that I'm not going to get.
• 21:23
  I said to him, I asked him did he ever hear from his
• 21:26
  grandfather from Salvagic anything about is Rashi Mufar
• 21:29
  shall die. I'm shocked.
• 21:30
  See a lot of people like to try to bring Araya, try to prove
• 21:33
  from the Rashi in the beginning from the rash bomb.
• 21:35
  Excuse me, the beginning of the Asia where the rash bomb says
• 21:38
  where the rash bomb says that that Rashi admitted he's not
• 21:41
  getting saying quotes the most posh and most simple
• 21:44
  understanding. So he told me back.
• 21:47
  Oh yeah, I heard, my grandfather told me.
• 21:50
  That it is a shot. That Rashi is absolutely a shot
• 21:53
  and he doesn't understand why Rashi was made to.
• 21:57
  Why did Rashi admit to the to the Rash bomb?
• 21:59
  OK. OK, now, now I told him, I I'll
• 22:03
  tell you, I'm going to go. Let's go through the whole
• 22:05
  story. I I've been like, he's a
• 22:06
  Brisker. So you know, that's how Brisker
• 22:08
  say things. I've spent a long time in the
• 22:10
  mirror, Shiva. So I say things Derek Mir and I
• 22:13
  say you didn't read the Rash bomb carefully.
• 22:16
  It's not that Rashbaum said to Rashi Zaida.
• 22:19
  You know that your your parish is not Derakhshat.
• 22:23
  And he said back to me and he said back to me, Shmelka, you're
• 22:27
  right. You know, that's what you need
• 22:30
  to do. He says Nisfakakhdi Lofanov Ito
• 22:34
  or Emo Lofanov. And after the Vikua, Rashi was
• 22:39
  Maida so so Rashi thought he was saying Derakhshat.
• 22:44
  And again the synthesis of Khazal and Pshat is
• 22:50
  unparalleled. No one came close to Rashi.
• 22:54
  No one is that Ramban says in his opening piece on on homage.
• 22:59
  He says on Rashi Mukhtar Ben Musa.
• 23:03
  Rashi's achievement is unparalleled.
• 23:05
  So what you're saying is that is that what, what the Rishana
• 23:07
  we're trying to do is create some level, not all of them, for
• 23:09
  example, like that, but doesn't necessarily but but that there's
• 23:12
  trying to be a synthesis between the bridge of Hazel and the,
• 23:17
  the, the shot itself. And they're trying to give you
• 23:20
  sort of a lens which incorporate both of them and there's just
• 23:22
  different levels of doing that. Complicated.
• 23:25
  I I don't need every every parish meaning just.
• 23:27
  What's the goal? OK, what's the goal?
• 23:29
  So most, most Rishonov are riding.
• 23:31
  When I talk about Mr. Rishonov, I mean Rashi Raban, Ibn Ezra,
• 23:35
  this Swano is borderline what's called the Swano Rishon.
• 23:38
  Also, I see the Arachaim is an A chronic echo of the Rampan.
• 23:44
  Now, it's very true that by the people at large know all the
• 23:49
  ones which are kabbalistic drush.
• 23:53
  But if you go through the Orchheim regularly, and I don't
• 23:55
  really do that, but I do go through it a lot, a nice, a nice
• 23:59
  amount, you'll see that that that a large amount of his pay
• 24:03
  rush is like Mama shot Mama, like, you know, in the trenches.
• 24:07
  So they're all trying to understand the what is judicial
• 24:12
  Micra basically. Now it's an important factor,
• 24:16
  which is very critically important to remember.
• 24:19
  You know, there's a shot in the pusick, there's a shot in the
• 24:24
  parsha, there's a shot in the in the group of parshaus and
• 24:29
  there's a shot in the Saifa. Now when I say parsha, I mean
• 24:34
  when you open up a Tanakh and there's pays there, that's what
• 24:38
  I I'm not talking about partial sachavua, I'm talking about.
• 24:41
  Sukhas and stumas I got. You sukhas and stumas OK.
• 24:45
  The Rishan who is most concerned with smoothness of partial flow,
• 24:54
  partial single, partial double multiple partial safer flow is
• 24:58
  Rashi When I I just finished Yoshai by Nakyomi and I spent
• 25:03
  or. Wednesday, I'm going to push you
• 25:04
  more. What is the goal of the Rashona
• 25:06
  when they're explaining it enough?
• 25:08
  OK, what again? They are trying to, according to
• 25:13
  their understanding, come up with a coherent understanding of
• 25:19
  what's going on, especially Rashi.
• 25:21
  But but but because. This someone, someone, someone.
• 25:24
  So let me let me flesh it out a little.
• 25:27
  And the Yeshaya examples are too complicated to for me.
• 25:30
  To I just don't even know what you're saying.
• 25:32
  Like in light of synthesis, I can translate Hebrew just fine,
• 25:35
  so I know need their own bottom. Now what are they doing?
• 25:37
  OK, OK. OK OK OK.
• 25:40
  In the yeshaya I found around 30 to 40 examples of this where I
• 25:46
  have a pusic and if I just read this pusic I would come to 1
• 25:50
  conclusion. But then when I go through the
• 25:52
  rest of the parsha or when I take the safer in mind, if I
• 25:57
  learn this the most simplistic way and I run into problems and
• 26:02
  connecting it to what's going on.
• 26:03
  And because of that, I mean, 1 of it was it's an utterly
• 26:07
  classic example. I think it's in in in designer
• 26:10
  class. But it's, I get, I'm, you know,
• 26:12
  whoever wants to get in contact with me can and I'm happy to
• 26:15
  give you the Mama Comus and send you this year, as I say, where
• 26:19
  Rashi learns it's speaking about Kriskia.
• 26:22
  The partial before was speaking about Akaz the red dock in the
• 26:28
  in. Ezra therefore learned that this
• 26:29
  pusic which is following that parasha is speaking about Akas.
• 26:33
  The problem is is then when you go through the rest of the
• 26:35
  bazookum, you're going to have to make up a lot of stories
• 26:39
  about Akas that never happened. It just, it's crazy If you
• 26:43
  learned it speaking about Fiskia, then all those vague
• 26:47
  references fit with known stories in Tanakh and some of
• 26:51
  them guests only really madrasa. But in Khalsa, Rashi understands
• 26:54
  in the totem of looking of everything.
• 26:57
  When I want to make this make sense, it's easiest for me to do
• 27:00
  it that way rather than go and make up stories that don't exist
• 27:04
  at all. Like let me give you a different
• 27:06
  example. Like I'm not sure if I should do
• 27:08
  this, but I'm going to do it anyway.
• 27:11
  There's no question that Devin ML has the greatest after the
• 27:15
  Office, the greatest hero of Tanakh, nothing to talk about.
• 27:18
  Why? So some people try to make all
• 27:21
  sorts of, you know, postmodern, modern postmodern projections
• 27:25
  about what his greatness was. The answer is very simply, he is
• 27:29
  the author of Sheena in the base of Mingush, The Sheena coming
• 27:33
  into the base of Mingush. She's the author of that.
• 27:35
  It's relatively clearly hinted to in the narrative, not
• 27:38
  explicit, of course. So what, you want to go make up
• 27:40
  stories that make no sense at all and didn't make any sense in
• 27:42
  time? You're entitled to your opinion.
• 27:45
  It's the modern world. We can't stop people from
• 27:47
  talking, but if you want to understand why Khazar insists
• 27:50
  the Devid who Devid was, who Devid is, it all has to do.
• 27:54
  It all has to do with his with with his accomplishments of
• 27:57
  Sheena. So again, I haven't.
• 27:59
  I'm not. I see you don't quote finally
• 28:00
  yet. I want Tanaka, especially Rashi,
• 28:04
  the Rambana Kulmush wants this also.
• 28:06
  I want the narrative to flow right now, and when I do that,
• 28:13
  because every detail's not there, very Dafka, very
• 28:17
  specifically, I'm going to have to add into the story.
• 28:21
  How do I do that? So it's not, again, it's not
• 28:25
  that Rashi is like opening up 47 Madrasha and saying how can I
• 28:29
  get everyone's attention today? He's certainly not doing that,
• 28:32
  but but he is because the story is lacking critical detail and
• 28:39
  you can't, again, the dubbed example is a great example.
• 28:41
  Like what did he do? Why is he so great?
• 28:43
  Every single king at me. He wasn't like dubbed.
• 28:45
  Oh, this one was like dubbed, like what?
• 28:47
  What did he do? So it's, it's, it's, it's
• 28:52
  clarity and flow through synthesis.
• 28:54
  Yes, correct. And that's what the primary
• 28:56
  objective of. Definitely of Rashi in the
• 28:58
  Rumba. Definitely Rashi in the Rambam.
• 29:00
  They've been Ezra in the Rundown.
• 29:02
  OK. Yeah, OK.
• 29:03
  But they're more OTC difference in how they looked at it in
• 29:06
  general the same. So you'd say the same like so
• 29:08
  Rashi either on Bond or Haim? Sworno basically.
• 29:12
  Sworno basically, yeah. So their their objective
• 29:15
  cliucker, right. So their objective is going to
• 29:17
  be let's get flow with the synthesis.
• 29:19
  Right, Well, no. Cliucker is more drush I I don't
• 29:22
  really. I very rarely dabble in it, I
• 29:24
  find it to be more dark drush and I know most for.
• 29:27
  The sake of that or or you know what I'm saying, Like I.
• 29:29
  Don't know. No, I'm not a I'm not.
• 29:30
  You know, I know. It sounds good.
• 29:31
  You don't like you don't want Cleonca regularly.
• 29:33
  No, I don't. I do a little bit occasionally.
• 29:36
  Some of the famous ones I love. Cleonca.
• 29:37
  But I know a lot of people. Love but OK, but OK, but so so
• 29:40
  the majority, the majority of the famous medieval commentaries
• 29:42
  are going to be is going to be understanding through synthesis.
• 29:44
  Yeah, that's what I believe. That's what I believe.
• 29:46
  OK, great. Now, now we can push on to to
• 29:52
  further things. So number one, I find it
• 29:54
  fascinating that you could have rash in there and bond then
• 29:57
  start separating or being completely sometimes an opposite
• 30:00
  sides of the team even though they have the same goal.
• 30:02
  But it makes sense. Yes it does.
• 30:03
  Right, because they're trying to get create their own, their own
• 30:06
  view of what's considered a flow.
• 30:09
  How are we supposed to understand then certain certain
• 30:13
  stories that we have in TANF which seem to be so opposite to
• 30:19
  what Hazal or some of the medieval commentaries are trying
• 30:22
  to say about this particular Mysim?
• 30:24
  So let's take Dovet and Malik for example.
• 30:26
  OK, So Dovet and Malik and Botjava, right?
• 30:28
  So if you look at the Bosokim, OK, if you look at the actual
• 30:31
  text, he did something quite I, I don't know what the right word
• 30:36
  is, but quite evil in regards to Botjava.
• 30:39
  If you just look at the at the Bosokim and yeah, but you look
• 30:42
  at Hazel, you get a very different impression.
• 30:44
  So. So how do you understand that
• 30:46
  Devon and Bachava? Devon Bachava OK, don't isolate
• 30:51
  the story for the rest of Dovan. You isolating the story.
• 30:56
  No, he can be amazing, but no, no, let's isolate the story.
• 31:00
  What did? He do with what did he do about
• 31:01
  Shava? OK, so I mean what did he do the
• 31:08
  you know there is a major mahogas between Rashi and all
• 31:13
  the Rishonim and Suvastav Tess and a couple of other places.
• 31:18
  Was it get out tonight or was it get come on?
• 31:20
  Even if it was a get out tonight, this is not a
• 31:22
  fantastic. Story OK, OK the see again we
• 31:28
  have to I'll. Make it better everyone.
• 31:30
  So I'll make the question easier.
• 31:32
  You tell me what happened with. How about, OK, OK, what
• 31:37
  happened? I mean, the story is crazy
• 31:39
  story. Like what's going on?
• 31:40
  You know, he's sitting there on his roof and the story story
• 31:42
  makes practically enough sense in terms of Tana and the reason
• 31:45
  it makes the least amount of sense.
• 31:46
  Wait a second. We'll be there in a second.
• 31:48
  The reason why it makes the least amount of sense is what's
• 31:50
  the product of the story, Sharma.
• 31:54
  In other words, this is this all gets down to paracious.
• 31:57
  And if and and. Yeah, we should whip over snack
• 32:00
  for me to show you this. I'll.
• 32:02
  I'll. Can we bring over to knock?
• 32:04
  Let me show you something. Yeah, sure.
• 32:06
  Yeah. Here, whip it up.
• 32:07
  Whip over to knock. OK, Here we go.
• 32:08
  Watch this, watch this, this is push it wild.
• 32:15
  And I, I'll tell you something. One thing I like about the, you
• 32:18
  know, the Korean printing is that is that they, that they,
• 32:22
  you know, they made the, the partious are very clear and they
• 32:25
  put the chapters on the side where they belong.
• 32:28
  And because the chapters are an invention, the chapters are an
• 32:32
  invention of what's his name of, of 2 English monks in the 1100s.
• 32:38
  And I'm not going to diverge on that.
• 32:39
  We don't have time for it, but they sometimes drive me crazy.
• 32:42
  OK, look the the story after David says Khatasi, that's when
• 32:49
  Nelson confronts David. David says Khatasi.
• 32:54
  Then the next story is is David's chuva.
• 32:57
  And where does it finish with Shalom's birth?
• 33:00
  OK. And you see very clearly that
• 33:05
  the story is to lead to Shalom's birth.
• 33:07
  OK, now Shalom, wait a second, wait a second.
• 33:09
  Shalom was you did Hashem if you would learn it Kushuto it makes
• 33:16
  it makes negative sense you did Hashem came out of this.
• 33:20
  Does that make any sense? Makes no sense at all And.
• 33:25
  I don't know why it can't make sense.
• 33:26
  No, no, Because. Because you don't know what
• 33:28
  Shrina means. You don't understand, you know?
• 33:30
  Yeah. You had a schmooze recently that
• 33:32
  was easy peasy. It is.
• 33:33
  No, it's. It's not.
• 33:34
  Did you watch the schmooze? Yes, I did.
• 33:36
  OK, so then it's easy peasy. So.
• 33:37
  So it's not because I'm coming from the round bomb.
• 33:40
  But I'm a I'm already a prophet, don't stop me.
• 33:45
  Yeah, I won't, I won't. You know, that's what's
• 33:47
  schmoozing through three question.
• 33:48
  And he says to me and we were like schmoozing about Navood
• 33:51
  Navua and the VM and he says, yeah, someone who's not Roy for
• 33:54
  Navua who claims Devua and he says in Navua Shaker he was
• 33:58
  misstopic. If if he's kind of Misa because
• 34:00
  he's so posh that he's that I'm not enough.
• 34:02
  You're certainly not going to kill him.
• 34:05
  You don't have to come on to Kira.
• 34:07
  Is a this and that and the next. Anyway, you're not answering.
• 34:12
  My question I'm answering. Your question directly, yes, I'm
• 34:14
  answering your question. You have to look at the totalum
• 34:17
  of the story and not just not just pick out the sukkum to make
• 34:20
  devil look bad. You're right, if I if I would
• 34:23
  isolate the story, I would not come to the.
• 34:25
  Conclusion of the. But I can't isolate the story
• 34:29
  because I know who dove it is and how do I know who Dovin is?
• 34:33
  I know it from everything else which is said.
• 34:35
  This story really starts out in the first of all, here let let
• 34:37
  me give you an example which is like it's.
• 34:39
  Don't give me an example, tell me.
• 34:41
  I'm going to show you. I'm going to show you what I
• 34:42
  call it. As careful reading of the story
• 34:44
  shows you. It can't mean what you think it
• 34:46
  means from a simplistic reading. Nelson comes to Dovin.
• 34:50
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 34:50
  Nelson comes to Dovin and he tells him a story.
• 34:53
  Yeah. What is this problem?
• 34:54
  Destroy a rich man and a poor man.
• 34:57
  Say why? What's your problem?
• 35:00
  What's your problem with when? When, when, When Akhav was
• 35:05
  tacitly compliant in allowing his wife to kill out Navos.
• 35:12
  You know what? You know what?
• 35:13
  The Navi calls him a rosaya. He wasn't a Rosaya.
• 35:17
  He didn't say it. Look at the Rama.
• 35:19
  The Rama. Look at the Rama.
• 35:21
  If a king would tell someone to do it, then he's that's called,
• 35:24
  he's he's he's that's called a Rothache Medishami.
• 35:27
  You can't kill him because they're ancient.
• 35:29
  But it's a Rothache Medishami. He's not a Rothache Medishami.
• 35:32
  And he didn't say it. He knew his wife was doing it,
• 35:34
  but he didn't say anything. He did not.
• 35:36
  He didn't say, you know. Yeah, do it.
• 35:38
  Do it, woman. You could read the story.
• 35:40
  He's going to see. So why is another Kong Rothe?
• 35:44
  The answer is it's like we spoke before about Simpson.
• 35:47
  That's much closer. So that's Mufuruish.
• 35:49
  But mid priority that's explicit that the nothing will give you
• 35:52
  rebuke for Amita. So give rebuke for Amita.
• 35:57
  So therefore he calls out of Rozak.
• 35:59
  That's not really Rozak. If Dovan was over Asia's age,
• 36:03
  NASA doesn't have to make up stories.
• 36:04
  And this is this is Mufuruish in the and I think it's in Rebeni
• 36:08
  Shaya, but maybe it's not Rebeni Shaya.
• 36:10
  It's certainly in the Hassid Yves and Tahilum on Nunav.
• 36:16
  David should then nothing should come to him and ask him what's
• 36:20
  the dinner? Bali Shashish, Someone who has
• 36:22
  relations with a married woman. Modino, what are you beating
• 36:25
  around the Bush for? The story doesn't make sense.
• 36:28
  It was during the day when David got out from his bed.
• 36:31
  And then what in the world? Who cares if behemoth muktu masa
• 36:36
  and she was purifying herself from from from Nedus.
• 36:40
  Like what? You know, here there's a
• 36:42
  rambang. The rambang says that when
• 36:44
  Rachel tells Lovan. When Rachel tell.
• 36:46
  Wait, wait. I'm not done.
• 36:47
  Let me finish. When Rachel tell.
• 36:49
  When Rachel tells Lovan I'm having Derek nationally, Yeah.
• 36:53
  Yeah, Lovan. Lovan respected it because
• 36:56
  Thomas Nida was known to everybody in those times to be
• 36:59
  very dangerous. Or it was just disgusting.
• 37:01
  No, no, yeah, whatever it was. No, no, no, it's more.
• 37:03
  It's Tuma. It's Tuma it has to do with.
• 37:05
  Tuma this. I'm talking about.
• 37:07
  I'm talking about calling you Rambach.
• 37:10
  If Lovin is Macbeth. If Lovin's Macbeth Anita,
• 37:13
  Dovin's not. The puzzles are Dovin is doing
• 37:15
  Macbeth, Anita. We need dollars Mac.
• 37:16
  Of course, Macbeth, Anita. Everyone's Macbeth, Anita.
• 37:18
  OK. But that's not even really my
• 37:20
  point. And I haven't even, I'm not
• 37:22
  saying what my opinion really is, but I'm saying, OK, let's
• 37:25
  change it. What is the?
• 37:26
  What is the? I'll change the whole question.
• 37:28
  Yeah. OK.
• 37:30
  How are we supposed to be looking at stories in Tanak
• 37:33
  where it's quite clear that we have a great person doing
• 37:36
  something that is unsavory? So let's take Dovinemouth for an
• 37:39
  as an example. So, you know, the context of the
• 37:41
  question, OK, Even if we should take Khazal at face value here,
• 37:46
  which I happen to think that we should, it's still not such a,
• 37:49
  you know, a positive thing, I mean.
• 37:51
  You know, but we still didn't get to that part of it.
• 37:52
  This is a long story, you know? Yeah.
• 37:54
  One of my jokes is some things are simple and rabbis make them
• 37:58
  complicated and other things are complicated and don't blame the
• 38:01
  rabbi. So this is a long complicated
• 38:03
  sugya and ultimately it gets back to the the the to the the
• 38:07
  promise David. The statement that that Nasan
• 38:10
  told David not much before this over in the in the text is let's
• 38:13
  not worry about how many years it was.
• 38:15
  I'm not let's not try to do that.
• 38:16
  You know, you know, from the cuff, David Nasan tells David
• 38:21
  Mahasa Khoshain Kashyamikdul Misheh Baharitz, I'm going to
• 38:24
  make you a name like the name of the great ones in the world.
• 38:28
  The Gemarum Safem says I don't can't quite remember if Rashi
• 38:30
  brings it over there that the the the Gemara says that means
• 38:34
  like the of us. And that's why Devin asked for
• 38:37
  an assailant. You want to know is it Mufura?
• 38:40
  No, it's not. I agree.
• 38:41
  It's not. I know that.
• 38:41
  I trust me. I know what I know the I know.
• 38:44
  I know it's not Mufura. But if you want to understand
• 38:46
  why Devin asked for an assailant, he couldn't believe
• 38:48
  it. You go read Savor schwalk.
• 38:49
  I feel like he looks like he had this.
• 38:51
  Damn it. I love you, but I feel like
• 38:52
  you're doing everything but answering my question.
• 38:55
  Like, like, I'm not talking about the new sign of Devin
• 38:57
  Amalk. I'm looking at Devin Amalk as a
• 38:59
  great person in Tanakh who did something not savory, right?
• 39:03
  Did he really do something not savory get or not a get?
• 39:06
  Like that's a little bit irrelevant to my question.
• 39:08
  Like how do you view someone like Devin MLF doing something
• 39:10
  like this? Well, it was a mistake.
• 39:12
  You know, according to Rashi, he was over.
• 39:15
  He was he was he was over suffocation Sish and he was 100%
• 39:18
  wrong to do it. It was miscala that it wasn't
• 39:22
  but when he did it, but Shasta mysa was as.
• 39:25
  Someone who spent so much time in in explaining Tanakh and
• 39:29
  living Tanakh. So how do you understand someone
• 39:32
  on the statue of Devdamel doing such a thing when when a normal
• 39:35
  layman would never ever get you know?
• 39:37
  Well, that's true, but. 10 million miles from Suffolk, OK.
• 39:40
  That's true. We we, we certainly wouldn't but
• 39:43
  but so. Then how come that happened?
• 39:44
  Start up. We didn't start again.
• 39:45
  We didn't start up with. We weren't told I'm going to
• 39:51
  give you. An authoritarian like sort of
• 39:54
  complex and power like he was. So then why?
• 39:57
  Why did this? Happen it was.
• 39:58
  It was ambition at a level that we can't understand.
• 40:03
  OK, so if we were, if we were, if we were insanely powerful and
• 40:06
  ambitious, you would say that we would have those same times.
• 40:08
  Not exactly, because it wasn't pure taiva.
• 40:11
  The whole point of Nasan's muscle, as Khazal said very
• 40:14
  explicitly, is to illustrate that he mishandled the
• 40:17
  Yeatsahara. That's the whole point of
• 40:19
  Nasan's muscle. Again, that's what a hate is.
• 40:23
  A sin is mishandling. The.
• 40:25
  That's how that works. Again, when when Shawl, When
• 40:30
  shawl sacrifices the animals, he's accused of pocketing money.
• 40:39
  He didn't pocket money. You can go back and look over
• 40:42
  there. I could show you.
• 40:43
  He kept saying I did the right thing.
• 40:44
  I did the right thing. I did the right thing.
• 40:46
  And and and and and. She says no, no, you didn't want
• 40:49
  some shot. Makes no sense at all.
• 40:51
  I mean, the answer again is, is, is and meet us.
• 40:55
  He did the wrong thing. The reason why he couldn't bring
• 40:57
  himself to kill all the animals, the reason why he accepted the
• 41:00
  shtickle terror that they're not, they're not the Etzel Huey
• 41:03
  Misa. It's just they can't exist.
• 41:05
  So therefore Shrita would be not they're enchanting them as as as
• 41:08
  as as Kabbanis is fine. The reason he couldn't accept it
• 41:11
  is he was too attracted to the beauty that he saw there.
• 41:15
  And that meter, if I don't control that meter, that meter
• 41:18
  will lead me to Vatant al Shalalal.
• 41:21
  That leader will lead me to, to, to embezzle.
• 41:25
  It's not, it's not, it's not that he was overly attracted to
• 41:29
  women. It's not that what happened.
• 41:31
  With that. So what was that?
• 41:32
  That's not what. Happened like to me was one of
• 41:34
  the most amazing people that has ever lived absolutely was one of
• 41:37
  the most amazing people period and holy people that's ever
• 41:40
  loved and but what do I do with this?
• 41:42
  What do I do with the? Story The story is, is it is He
• 41:48
  hoped to he hoped to get to a higher place and he went.
• 41:52
  To someone bathe. No, he didn't.
• 41:54
  That was all. It was all migram it all that
• 41:56
  all happened. That all happened.
• 41:57
  So what does your how does your statement connected to what
• 41:59
  happened? You wanted to reach your higher
• 42:00
  Madriga on there for what you wanted.
• 42:02
  To reach there for how what said to him OK, step back.
• 42:06
  Ram says some more than wukum that and the Saiyan is used in
• 42:11
  very limited places, in, in, in, in in in Tanakh and the term the
• 42:15
  Saiyan has to do with ultimate achievement and and double
• 42:19
  thought. Ultimate achievement meaning
• 42:20
  reaching a new level because of. He's reaching the highest
• 42:23
  possible level for a person or a nation to, to, to achieve.
• 42:27
  OK. He thought he was at holding at
• 42:29
  that point and therefore for good reasons.
• 42:31
  And therefore he has Tashan for an asylum.
• 42:33
  So he's given an asylum which he couldn't handle.
• 42:36
  OK. And that's why you're supposed
• 42:38
  to be, And why and why could he not handle that Nisayam?
• 42:42
  The the the the Marasas in Barrigoa that it was it was
• 42:46
  could. You have handled that Nisayan.
• 42:47
  No. OK, so.
• 42:48
  I wouldn't have asked for it though.
• 42:49
  OK, so OK, there's a criticism there, but which I'm not
• 42:53
  addressing. OK, But OK, but but but but he
• 42:56
  asked for Nisayan. Yes, he did.
• 42:58
  And now he was he was hit with a Nisayan.
• 43:00
  OK, and why would he was he not successful?
• 43:03
  Do what do you think? Why was he quite successful?
• 43:06
  I mean, when we talk about Nisayan, we don't just mean, you
• 43:11
  know, Ernest Sienas are largely self-inflicted.
• 43:13
  Here I'll again, I usually don't say what I what I think on these
• 43:17
  shows, but I'll, I'll share a bit what you think.
• 43:19
  I actually think that that that the reason why David and Malik
• 43:22
  Nisayan is impossible to understand is because we are as
• 43:27
  people are not constantly walking in heavenly realms
• 43:30
  wielding the power of of just tremendous Gila Shrina.
• 43:34
  And we don't know what that means and what what when you
• 43:38
  have that much power and influence over the celestial
• 43:41
  realms and then you're hit with an Isayana that feels very
• 43:45
  different than if you're just a normal guy who's, you know,
• 43:48
  walking around that happens to see a woman that's not clothed.
• 43:50
  I think David Amalf was on such a humongous madrega OK, that
• 43:53
  that that there are certain things that would affect him
• 43:57
  that would not affect us. That that's my personal.
• 43:59
  Opinion, but a lot of people say what you're saying but I
• 44:01
  disagree. OK, once.
• 44:02
  OK, so I want you to disagree, but then I want you to say what
• 44:04
  it is. Because if I was in WWL's place
• 44:07
  without that power, without that which I don't have OK, if I was
• 44:12
  faced with that museon, I am really darn confident that I'd
• 44:14
  walk out. OK, I'm pretty darn confident
• 44:16
  I'd walk out. OK, so.
• 44:18
  So I'm just telling you right now I'd walk out fine.
• 44:20
  So I'm trying to figure out why. Why he didn't, him being 1000
• 44:24
  times the man I could ever dream to be right?
• 44:27
  Right, because because again, the the experience, so you're
• 44:35
  looking at one side of his experience of all of his
• 44:38
  spiritual accomplishments, which is true.
• 44:41
  And then you think, so what's going on?
• 44:42
  So the answer is, is in my opinion, the answer is the
• 44:46
  Hashem was sending all kokosara at him.
• 44:50
  We don't have that. We don't have Hashem send
• 44:53
  kokosara at us. That's not there's a kokara.
• 44:57
  There's a force of evil in the world that naturally will
• 45:00
  connect to us, but it's not that Hashem sends it at us actively
• 45:05
  to challenge. Us fascinating.
• 45:07
  So you're saying versus my perspective, which is that he's
• 45:11
  so big and therefore the new sound hits him different, but
• 45:14
  you're saying no, no, it could be the opposite is that he was
• 45:17
  who he was being big and all that.
• 45:19
  But that's not the thing that affected thing affected is that
• 45:21
  is that. But Sheva is more
• 45:23
  representative. I mean, it was her, but carried
• 45:25
  with her. Was God behind her shoving so
• 45:28
  much at? Him.
• 45:29
  Yes, Absolutely. Absolutely interesting.
• 45:31
  Absolutely. Would you say the same thing for
• 45:33
  Huda and Tamar? Oh, you heard it.
• 45:35
  Tomorrow is much more compliment.
• 45:36
  OK fine. So I don't want.
• 45:37
  To let's let's diverge into that, but it wasn't technically
• 45:40
  and you heard it on Tamara. She wasn't technically us.
• 45:41
  Or it's just an unsavory. It's unsavory.
• 45:44
  I wouldn't again. No, no, it's less, it's less.
• 45:47
  It's just it's not the same thing.
• 45:49
  It's not the same thing. Fine one. 2nd but sing a dove
• 45:51
  mouth. So so that's so that's super.
• 45:53
  So we don't even, we can't even fathom what was going on in the
• 45:56
  direction of Batcheva to Dove. But for me, I'm saying you
• 45:59
  could. We could not fathom Dovet to
• 46:01
  Bachev. You're saying no, no, no, we
• 46:02
  can't imagine Bacheva to Dove. We don't know what she was
• 46:04
  bringing with her. It wasn't she, Hashem was.
• 46:07
  Hashem was sending it at dovet. Which that's what that that
• 46:10
  doesn't happen under normal circumstances.
• 46:12
  It just doesn't happen. Hashem doesn't try to force evil
• 46:15
  on a person. Right it.
• 46:18
  Just doesn't happen. But she known as.
• 46:21
  No, he was punished. Now can I call the other?
• 46:25
  There's an absolute rule if you're punished, that means you
• 46:29
  did something wrong. It was not an honest.
• 46:33
  OK now, yeah, now I'll ask the devil into my question.
• 46:36
  The you'd enter my question. OK, Yeah.
• 46:38
  So how do you view that like your previous example for for
• 46:42
  for devil and and Bacheva was novel and I appreciated that.
• 46:45
  And I and I. Understand.
• 46:46
  That's great. OK, so you see, that's part of
• 46:49
  the I'm here. I want your secrets.
• 46:50
  So I, I, Yehuda and Tamar. How do you view it?
• 46:54
  How do I view Hooda and Tamar? Well, I I'm not I I don't have
• 47:02
  as constructed of a Maha. Why not?
• 47:04
  Yehuda was amazing. I know he was.
• 47:06
  But see, you know, it's like Mahane.
• 47:08
  It's Mahane, it's Mahane, Joseph and the brothers, OK?
• 47:14
  And I've been saying this for like 30 years, and sometimes
• 47:15
  people say why I say it. Look, Joseph and the brothers,
• 47:18
  you know that the Rashondam and the Madrasham say nothing about
• 47:21
  them. The first person to.
• 47:22
  Start nothing about them. There's there's some.
• 47:24
  No, no, no, no. The first person to construct
• 47:27
  theory. What was motivating the
• 47:28
  brothers? The Pasik says they were
• 47:30
  motivated by jealousy. Mafourish like cuttable alpha,
• 47:34
  obviously explosive. They're motivated by jealousy.
• 47:39
  Are you talking shift echo? They're motivated by jealousy.
• 47:43
  The answer is Pasik says they were the first person to start
• 47:46
  talking about it. Is is this Vorna?
• 47:49
  This Svarna? Says he they considered.
• 47:51
  Him Mardiff. Yeah.
• 47:52
  Oh, was Rodiff, he said. Marbumachos.
• 47:54
  He's a Rodiff. The schwa says mardbumachos.
• 47:56
  OK, that's everyone does. Everyone says those things over
• 48:00
  the person doesn't say that Sukum say they were jealous,
• 48:03
  fine. And that.
• 48:04
  And that has to do. And this, this, this one.
• 48:06
  When I was hausering mulachem, I came up with the epiphany of
• 48:10
  understanding this and that is is Yuravum Navat.
• 48:14
  It was offered by Ahira Shilani promises which parallel what was
• 48:20
  given to David and Sharma. It's astounding.
• 48:24
  And what did he do? He literally jumped out.
• 48:27
  You know, we're not even high enough building.
• 48:28
  Let's let's go to a 20 story building jumped out the window
• 48:31
  splat. You haven't been to Vat's
• 48:34
  innovations destroyed the unity of Collinsville to are connected
• 48:39
  to Corbin or vice. And the answer here is it's the
• 48:43
  Schmuttim and you're up in Navant the, the, the, the great,
• 48:48
  that great power of creation. We don't have that.
• 48:53
  They had it. And that and the ability to
• 48:57
  control or not control that, that that's just like we don't,
• 49:02
  you don't, we don't, we don't understand that we can't
• 49:04
  understand it. You know, even even Kilo, you
• 49:07
  know Russia, you know, you know, Bibi Netanyahu and and Ben
• 49:11
  Gurion's actually a better example because he created a lot
• 49:14
  of the structure of the state. It's still not the same thing.
• 49:17
  Nowhere close, because that was just in a purely physical sense,
• 49:20
  not in the spiritual sense. And and as much as has been,
• 49:23
  Green definitely was worried about his legacy.
• 49:24
  BB is to an extent also. It's still not the same thing.
• 49:28
  It's just not the same thing that does that can help me mute
• 49:30
  him. Tamar the answer is no.
• 49:33
  The reason why I diverged was to tell you that the classics
• 49:36
  really don't talk much about it. And I I'm not, there are some
• 49:40
  addressing, we're talking about it, but I'm not, you know, from
• 49:43
  a technical standpoint, it's just not the same thing.
• 49:46
  From a technical standpoint, he was morally wrong, but
• 49:50
  halachically correct. Rob, I'm going to know those
• 49:55
  users for my Ontario. There was no, there's nothing
• 49:58
  wrong, technically wrong with the Zelda.
• 49:59
  Is it? Is it a good thing to do?
• 50:00
  Is it morally wrong? Yes.
• 50:02
  Yeah, but it's still Omar Darshani, because.
• 50:05
  It does. It does.
• 50:06
  It does. It does.
• 50:07
  I, I don't know again, I, I, I get very without without real
• 50:12
  macaurus. I get very hesitant.
• 50:14
  And so how conservative and just just just just just just, you
• 50:19
  know. No.
• 50:20
  So how about this? How about how about you'll do a
• 50:22
  special explaining in your opinion what happened with you
• 50:25
  then tomorrow? OK, so you know, this is a
• 50:27
  fascinating thing. I have never had, this was to
• 50:31
  say a systematic homosheer and I know from experience when I've
• 50:38
  got to I do it, my Nakiyomi does 10 Psukuma day.
• 50:40
  The reason why I do that is it's good for me and good for
• 50:44
  everyone else that ones we're getting somewhere but we're not
• 50:47
  going so fast that I can't really process it on my own.
• 50:50
  I've never done that in Hamish and I would have to have, I just
• 50:56
  know from practical experience I would have to have a real
• 50:59
  Makayev to go and sit on it. And I'm very, you know, I drive
• 51:04
  myself crazy with my quest for accuracy and understanding Rashi
• 51:12
  Rabbana, et cetera, et cetera. And I would not, I don't like
• 51:17
  concocting stuff off the cuff at all.
• 51:19
  So it's not as simple. It's a good idea.
• 51:22
  No, it doesn't have to be the best second.
• 51:23
  Yeah, yeah, it's a good idea. If I would have to have some
• 51:27
  Hamashir, it was my high of me. Leave us, leave us with, with
• 51:32
  the way that we should be learning Tanakh.
• 51:35
  I think that it's a little bit of a hate where people like try
• 51:38
  to get the Ushaya and they look at Rashi and they look at
• 51:41
  Targumim and then they get completely lost and they forgot
• 51:43
  what they were reading. But then they got to the next
• 51:45
  pusak. Like what's the way to learn
• 51:48
  properly? And my, I'm really not an
• 51:50
  expert, but I'll just say mine and you'll be able to correct
• 51:52
  me. Therefore, I'll be easy.
• 51:54
  You'll look great on camera. But my I feel the way to do it
• 51:58
  is you go through the text, push up shot, just push up shot.
• 52:01
  What are the words mean? And after each section, then you
• 52:04
  go back and you see how did rash you look at that right?
• 52:07
  And then now you have the simple understanding.
• 52:10
  Rash is understanding. OK.
• 52:12
  Let me try to Let's try and I don't know how we have 5.
• 52:16
  Minutes here. Yeah, let's do it in 5 minutes.
• 52:18
  Let's try to do this in 5 minutes, OK?
• 52:21
  There are pros parts of Tanakh and non pros parts of Tanakh.
• 52:25
  I love how you said that. OK.
• 52:27
  OK, the pros parts of Tanakh again the technical questions
• 52:29
  like we just had a discussion about Devin how in the world do
• 52:32
  Devin about now how do I say so let's not talk about it grossly
• 52:37
  misunderstood person whatever we can't talk about it OK, OK
• 52:43
  that's the problem Naveen Reshoten OK that's the problem.
• 52:46
  It's not the problem isn't that I don't know flow the blunt
• 52:50
  facts are and most people, even people who know Shahs way better
• 52:55
  than me, don't know what to do with naveen macronum slash non
• 53:01
  pros parts of Kalah. What do What do I advise?
• 53:05
  Because that that's that is critical.
• 53:07
  You can't have any discussion about, you know, the greatest
• 53:14
  legacy of the Jewish people without understanding you shy
• 53:19
  because Yoshiya can be synopsidized down to, you know,
• 53:22
  1 brief phrase, it's safer of mushiya.
• 53:25
  And if you say you like mushiya, they want you to go and Yoshiya.
• 53:29
  So I know what the answer is. It's impossible safer.
• 53:30
  I, I agree. You know, it took me a long time
• 53:33
  to crack it. No, nothing close to Cahalos to
• 53:35
  cahalos took me 30 years. Yoshiya wasn't nearly as hard.
• 53:39
  What do you do? What do you have to do?
• 53:43
  What you have to do is, is you, you need to, you know, generally
• 53:46
  speaking, especially Yoshiya, especially you hear me is not
• 53:51
  nearly as hard. You Shia the phraseology and
• 53:55
  the, the, the, the, the sentence structure phraseology is so
• 53:58
  complex. I don't believe that reading the
• 54:01
  bazookum without minimally the Matsudas, you're really going to
• 54:03
  get that far because it's just going to be confusing.
• 54:07
  You need to go here. We have here, we have here you
• 54:09
  Shia, just for an example, you Shia them tests you, you know,
• 54:13
  you let's say you're reading these five bazookum.
• 54:15
  You need to try to see where is it flying?
• 54:17
  Where is it starting? Where is it ending now?
• 54:19
  It's not fully developmental. You know, we're looking for
• 54:23
  tarsh balpet development for secular literature development.
• 54:29
  Step A to step B to step C to step EI mean tarsh balpet is not
• 54:33
  quite ABCD, but it We know when the gamar is asking a question.
• 54:37
  We know when the gamar is saying an answer.
• 54:41
  So you're saying the first thing is to to get structure?
• 54:43
  First thing is to focus on the structure of the understand the
• 54:47
  puzzle, understand the partial. What's this partial doing Now
• 54:51
  the problem is the problem is is unlike unlike Tarsh about pet
• 54:57
  where the amount of times I asked this to a very harsh tell
• 55:01
  me to clock him. I know I just I can't mention
• 55:03
  his name because he didn't give me Roosters and he's a he's an
• 55:06
  old school limp fuck. So he values his privacy as from
• 55:10
  Salvage once said. So I'm not going to quote them
• 55:12
  by name, but in Shas the amount of times the gamar says
• 55:16
  something and I'm not sure if it's a question or answer.
• 55:18
  They do exist, but it's rare. OK.
• 55:23
  And and and and the V macronum. It's tough.
• 55:26
  And tell them where's it going. There's no set words phraseology
• 55:32
  which tells me answer, question, comment.
• 55:35
  Right. Parallelism, you have to figure
• 55:36
  it out on your own. And the normative in my opinion
• 55:39
  is what I call a spiral is there's a basically central idea
• 55:43
  that the Novi's looking at and he's going to spiral through the
• 55:46
  idea partially. I don't mean developmentally
• 55:50
  means let's say that the idea concept issue he's talking about
• 55:54
  has three stages, OK? And let's say you have 3 or 4
• 55:57
  parts, just 2530 to come about it.
• 56:00
  He's going to be going back and forth between the different
• 56:02
  stages, jumping from A to B, sometimes from C, from C to A,
• 56:07
  changing his perspective not only on where he's going, yeah,
• 56:12
  but also who is he talking from. In other words, an event
• 56:15
  happens, then nobody can see it from his from the from his eyes.
• 56:19
  Kilo the Prophet, as Kilo, an editor in the newspaper
• 56:24
  commenting on it, he could see it from Claudia Strom's
• 56:28
  perspective, he could see it from Hashem's perspective.
• 56:31
  And he's spiraling. And you, yes, you have to keep
• 56:33
  your finger on the pulse. And after you do it, then you
• 56:35
  figure out what's going on. That's quite harsh, No so, so.
• 56:38
  That's this is the most this is the most important, my most
• 56:41
  important innovation in understanding Tanath is
• 56:45
  understanding you have to put the Pasha system together.
• 56:47
  And after after you do that and you can start doing it.
• 56:49
  And the place just one last I'm able to do another one is the
• 56:52
  place where you see it. The most incredible Hebrew
• 56:55
  written on this is Rashi and Shira Shiram.
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  Rashi on Shira Shiram. I mean, I remember the first
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  time I said Shira on it, which is 24 years ago.
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  I've been through it. Some guy asked me to say shir,
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  so I started. I say shir.
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  There's no more far. Shirashi said no problem, I'll
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  open up the Madrash. Nothing.
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  Then Rashi comments on it. Then I did more work on it.
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  Maybe 2% of Rashi is drawn from local midrasham and sheer sheer.
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  But the flow of Rashi in terms of the safer is crystal clear
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  and and it fits together with the parsha system of Keta RM
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  sova. So clearly that I believe Rashi
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  had that parsha system because to quote one of my was did you
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  overlap with Ori Bilmos? No.
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  OK, fine. One of my one of my Turks Ragas
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  students. So structure.
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  Structure is number. One structure, structure
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  structure. Structure definition, and then
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  and then after that, the Maharsham.
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  No, you need to integrate because you're not going to you
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  can't you you're not you're our our tools in depth of
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  understanding of Terra is weak enough that it's that again and
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  something like and and what Yermia Yushaya, Yuhasco.
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  The most important tool interna is understanding what the what,
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  where is the safer's going? It needs to be broken down,
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  starting with pusic level, then from pusic to parsha.
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  You need to go from pusic to parsha.
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  Then you need to start putting the parsha's together.
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  And then at that, after that point, there are most slum have
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  sections. Let's just leave that simple.
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  I do not believe. I mean, I'll talk from personal
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  experience. I know but I don't know or as it
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  says in in in it says initially Raisa ish Khakhambaena.
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  If you see a person who thinks he's smart tick full excel me
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  menu more hope for the fool. So I strongly recommend you know
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  using the easiest user friendly thing to use is Matsudas.
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  He will help you in the basics you need.
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  Our world is one of the other reasons why I'm very adamant of
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  don't just try to say, you know, like, how do people like to
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  think? You know, I'm just going to look
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  at the text to not not pay attention to anything.
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  OK, That's Cartesian thought has nothing to do with terror.
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  We live in a world so different that that that will lead you to
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  the absolutely worst places because we live in a world which
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  we can't decide what what if this is a cup of water or not,
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  for example. I hope everyone understood what
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  I'm talking about. So yes, you need to, you need
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  to. You'd never forget what the text
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  says, always look and see when they're saying something like
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  why are you doing it for it? But you first have to be patient
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  with yourself, especially in the V macronum.
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  You must be patient. You must be.
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  And if not, you're not going to get it so clear.
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  This is clear. Robbie Wittenstein, thank you so
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  much for joining. Pleasure.
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  I got your pleasure. My pleasure.
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  To summarize my my basic approach, when we're talking
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  about learning Navi, it's, it's important to, you know,
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  understand that when we're talking about Naveen Rushonum,
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  it's called integration. Integration means we take the
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  comments of Rashi and Rashi is absolutely the most important of
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  them, of fortune. And of course, in such a small
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  little forb, I'm not going to be able to explain more than that.
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  Whoever wants to go find the podcast where I spoke about it
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  at Leaf and integrate it through the beginning of the Pasha to
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  the end of the Pasha. And when you do that, you'll
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  find there's a lot of fruits we'll discover in Rashi now in
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  when we're learning the non prose part of TANF, which is
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  difficult and challenging. And and I'm not going to try to
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  pretend and tell you that it's not the the key is following the
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  flow of the parsha, then putting the parsha's together, then
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  putting the safer together. Well, usually there's
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  subsections in every safer. And again, if you want to find
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  out more about that, go back, go and find the podcasts, my own
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  podcasts where I explain it relatively clearly.
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  And if we do all those things, we'll get to say, to say that
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  we'll get more out of Ornington not it's a gross understatement.
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  We get incredibly more.