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Riley Gaines: Courtroom Shockers, Radical campus Threats, & Media Exploitation · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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Speaker 1: To kind of go back to Charlie's assassination. This isn't
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Speaker 1: something that I've talked about a lot, but being you know,
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Speaker 1: thirty eight thirty nine weeks pregnant at the time when
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Speaker 1: I saw that he had been murdered, and understanding that
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Speaker 1: I had sat right there beside him. I'd been on
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Speaker 1: these campuses, one of the most hostile San Francisco State University.
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Speaker 1: We sat under that same tent together and did this.
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Speaker 1: I recognize that could have been me, and that was
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Speaker 1: a terrifying thought, being thirty eight thirty nine weeks pregnant,
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Speaker 1: and so I vowed to myself right then and there
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Speaker 1: when I saw this video, I was never ever going
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Speaker 1: to step foot on a college campus again.
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Speaker 2: There is so much going on that I think my
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Speaker 2: next guest is going to have incredible expertise and commentary
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Speaker 2: on Charlie Kirk that whole trial about. I can't believe
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Speaker 2: that our friend was assassinated less than a year ago. Finally,
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Speaker 2: this is getting a hearing, and what we're seeing coming
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Speaker 2: out of there is very strange. We're to talk about
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Speaker 2: that the Supreme Court recently said, yes, states can say
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Speaker 2: girls sports are for girls. We have that we also
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Speaker 2: have Caitlin Clark getting her ass kicked on the basketball
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Speaker 2: court every night. I've got to go to a star
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Speaker 2: athlete in her own right a twelve time. All of
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Speaker 2: that and swimmer it is our friend Riley Gaines. Riley,
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Speaker 2: how are you going to see it?
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it is so funny to hear myself
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Speaker 1: described as an athlete because it feels like a past life, right,
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Speaker 1: so I can get old. I'm kind of expired now.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's certainly not inspired. Jale goes, Oh no, no,
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Speaker 2: stop it. We're going to get to that how your
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Speaker 2: life has changed since we first met in a bit.
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Speaker 2: But let's start with what's going on right now. You
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Speaker 2: sat next to Charlie Kirk at some of these get
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Speaker 2: togethers in college campuses. I had Charlie on my show
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Speaker 2: six different times. We were texting in the days before
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Speaker 2: he ended up dying. When you watch this unfold, it
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Speaker 2: seems surreal to me. What do you see when you
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Speaker 2: see that we're talking about your friend, a real person
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Speaker 2: that just doesn't hear anymore.
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Speaker 1: You know what, It's honestly been super duper hard for
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Speaker 1: me to grapple with what nearly ten months ago now
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Speaker 1: I think back to when you know, I don't have
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Speaker 1: that many moments in my life, being now twenty six
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Speaker 1: at the time twenty five years old, I don't have
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Speaker 1: that many moments where you'll never forget where you were
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Speaker 1: when you heard news. Right of course, I was one
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Speaker 1: years old when nine to eleven happened. That that's a
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Speaker 1: lot of people what they remember. For me, I have two,
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Speaker 1: I would say, the first one being when President Trump
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Speaker 1: was shot in Butler, Pennsylvania, where of those, we'll never
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Speaker 1: forget where you were. And secondly, when Charlie Kirk was shot.
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Speaker 1: I was thirty eight maybe thirty nine weeks pregnant at
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Speaker 1: the time. I get a phone call from a colleague
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Speaker 1: and says, hey, like, are you okay? Very frantic, and
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Speaker 1: I'm confused. I'm like, what do you mean? Am I okay? Yes,
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Speaker 1: I'm perfectly fine. I'm in the line at Chick fil a,
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Speaker 1: like my life actually could not be any better right now.
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Speaker 1: And then he told me, look, Charlie Kirk has been shot,
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Speaker 1: and you know, what do you do? You immediately open
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Speaker 1: up social media and I met with this video that
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Speaker 1: I convinced myself was AI. I convinced myself it wasn't real.
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Speaker 1: It's a video that will live in my head for
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Speaker 1: the rest of forever. I wish I never saw this video.
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Speaker 1: And I lived in a state of total disbelief and
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Speaker 1: shock and confusion right watching the news and seeing that
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Speaker 1: black and white obituary style photo and hearing Charlie Kirk
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Speaker 1: talked about in past tense and was and were, and
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Speaker 1: seeing the date at the bottom, you know, the year
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Speaker 1: he was born through twenty twenty five. It was confusion
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Speaker 1: and disbelief, and then it turned into grief and tearfulness,
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Speaker 1: and then I'm not proud, but it turned into anger
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Speaker 1: and rage watching people celebrate this online. Mostly what I
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Speaker 1: noticed too, the people who were celebrating this it came
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Speaker 1: from three categories healthcare workers, which is incredibly concerning. These
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Speaker 1: are people who are supposed to be entrusted in saving
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Speaker 1: our lives. Well, guess what, Joe, if you and I
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Speaker 1: were on the operating table, you have to imagine they
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Speaker 1: wouldn't try as hard to save us. The people at
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Speaker 1: least who I saw celebrating online.
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Speaker 2: Oh, you're one hundred percent right. No, no, let me stop
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Speaker 2: you there, because you're one hundred percent right. I'm glad
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Speaker 2: and I'm not glad at something happen to Charlie. Don't
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Speaker 2: get me wrong, but I'm glad these people showed who
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Speaker 2: they really are, because you're right, you or me or
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Speaker 2: your husband or my wife on that table, knowing who
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Speaker 2: we are, we now know what they would have done gladly.
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Speaker 1: One hundred percent. One hundred percent, which is a pretty
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Speaker 1: scary thought. And that's not limited to just you or
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Speaker 1: I or people with big platforms. It's anyone who voted
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Speaker 1: for President Trump, who has conservative values, who believed that
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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ was sent to this world, walked and lived
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Speaker 1: a perfect life, who died on the cross for our sins,
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Speaker 1: rose again three days later with the hope and the
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Speaker 1: promise of eternal life. If you believe that, maybe they
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Speaker 1: wouldn't try as hard to save you on the operating table. Secondly,
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Speaker 1: I saw school teachers celebrating this again deeply concerning when
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Speaker 1: you think about these are the people who are entrusted
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Speaker 1: in educating the next generation. And third, I saw tons
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Speaker 1: of government employees, so that means people who you and
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Speaker 1: I taxpayers pay the salaries of celebrating Charlie Kirk's assassination,
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Speaker 1: all while claiming to be virtuous and kind and compassionate
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Speaker 1: and inclusive and tolerant and embrace diversity whatever, none of
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Speaker 1: those people embrace diversity. They certainly don't embrace diverse thought Anyways,
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Speaker 1: all of that to say, it's been really hard to
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Speaker 1: know how to move forward right, both speaking from a
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Speaker 1: cultural perspective, how to we move forward with one of
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Speaker 1: the most probably the most intellectual, effective articulate minds of
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Speaker 1: our time, who was again taken far too soon. But
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Speaker 1: I think in witnessing the fracture that we've seen, specifically
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Speaker 1: among the right, how do you combat that people who
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Speaker 1: I would very very much describe as podcast vultures, who
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Speaker 1: I think are I mean capitalizing immensely off of Charlie
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Speaker 1: Kirk's assassination and the insane theories and conspiracies that they
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Speaker 1: come up with. But watching this trial, even I don't
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Speaker 1: know what my role is here, if I even have
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Speaker 1: a role at all, Not to make it about me,
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Speaker 1: but in just thinking about how I approach it online
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Speaker 1: do you talk about it? Obviously I'm no legal expert.
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Speaker 1: I don't know the legal legalities of it. But what
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Speaker 1: I do know is Charlie was a friend to me.
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Speaker 1: He was a mentor to me. He believed in me
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Speaker 1: when he really had no reason to. And here's what
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Speaker 1: I'll say about his incredible bride, now his widow, Ericakirk.
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Speaker 1: She is one of the strongest, most compassionate, amazing human
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Speaker 1: beings that I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. And
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Speaker 1: so the relentless attacks against her quite frankly, I just
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Speaker 1: really can't make sense of them. I really can't. As
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Speaker 1: a common sense thinking person, very inquisitive, right, I'm never put,
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Speaker 1: you know, asking questions off the table. I think it's
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Speaker 1: silly to assume that those of us who don't believe
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Speaker 1: that Erko was behind it aren't inquisitive. We don't want
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Speaker 1: the truth or justice because I guess what, of course
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Speaker 1: I want those things.
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Speaker 2: But to.
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Speaker 1: Relentlessly attack the wife of his the wife of Charlie,
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Speaker 1: and the father of his children, all while claiming to
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Speaker 1: be his friend is absolutely insane.
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Speaker 2: It is I want to let me jump in liver.
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Speaker 2: Remind people who we have, of course, that they can
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Speaker 2: see you. They know it's Riley Gaines. Go to at
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Speaker 2: Riley Gaines on all the platforms. Actually it's actually Riley
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Speaker 2: Gaines Barker on one of them. Isn't it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah? On Instagram it's Riley G. Barker.
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Speaker 2: Okay, go and follow Riley everywhere a huge platform. Obviously
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Speaker 2: we know Riley and you know Riley. But when you
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Speaker 2: just talked about when we found out and I don't
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Speaker 2: want to harp on this, but I was at the
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Speaker 2: gym in my car, about to do a short video
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Speaker 2: for one of the platforms, sitting in my car at
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Speaker 2: the gym, which is what I do a lot, and
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Speaker 2: I had a text from a friend at Fox News
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Speaker 2: and he said, Charlie Kirk shot and I said, no,
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Speaker 2: what are you talking about? Is he okay? We don't know,
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Speaker 2: And then we started hearing some rumblings that he was
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Speaker 2: going to be okay. He's at the hospital and he's
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Speaker 2: in he's in stable condition, which of course was absolutely untrue.
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Speaker 2: And then I like you sadly, and I wish I
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Speaker 2: hadn't watched the video sitting in the car because it
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Speaker 2: was released almost immediately, that was being live streamed one rumble.
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Speaker 2: So I saw it and I went, that's not good.
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Speaker 2: That's really bad. And getting away from that because I
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Speaker 2: don't want to. I don't want to harp on that
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Speaker 2: scene that everybody watching and listening probably has seen it
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Speaker 2: by now as well. I do want to harp on
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Speaker 2: what you just said at the end, when people who
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Speaker 2: claim to be his friend are making allegations that they
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Speaker 2: haven't put two and two together, they haven't tied anything
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Speaker 2: to truth. They keep on saying watch me again tomorrow,
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Speaker 2: and really, we're really going to give you the nitty
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Speaker 2: gritty we what we uncovered in our investigation, Riley. It's nuts.
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Speaker 2: And these people are making thirty forty fifty sixty thousand
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Speaker 2: dollars a day, just like you said, being an internet vulture,
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Speaker 2: a podcast vulture, just feeding off of the legacy of
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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk. What I want to see happen is those
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Speaker 2: teachers and those medical workers and those podcasters actually listen
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Speaker 2: to what Charlie said in his very short life, because
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Speaker 2: if you listen to what he said, you can't hate
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Speaker 2: the guy. If you listen to what he said, you
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Speaker 2: know he was right and he was bringing people together.
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Speaker 2: It bothers me to my core. And maybe you can
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Speaker 2: expand upon this a little bit as well. How we're
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Speaker 2: fighting ourselves on the right, the conservatives are sitting here
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Speaker 2: fighting ourselves as you've got Nazi tattoo guy in Maine
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Speaker 2: running as you've got somebody in Colorado who hates the
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Speaker 2: country just one a primary. If you've got Mamdani in
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Speaker 2: New York who doesn't it can't stay in the country.
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Speaker 2: We on the right that should be keeping it together,
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Speaker 2: And if Charlie were still around, I think we'd be
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Speaker 2: doing a better job. Well, while we're fighting each other,
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Speaker 2: we're watching the destruction of the country, something that I
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Speaker 2: guess you and I didn't even realize that the enormity
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Speaker 2: of Charlie's presence was keeping us together. Speak to that
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Speaker 2: if you don't mind, I don't want to harp on
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Speaker 2: when he died. We're going to get hopefully we'll get justice,
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Speaker 2: and this hearing will end up being a trial and
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Speaker 2: will end up being something. Hopefully his family can get justice.
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Speaker 2: But how do we stop this infighting on our side?
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Speaker 2: Can we? What do we do?
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Speaker 1: You know? To the justice point, I don't think we'll
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Speaker 1: ever see worldly justice, but I take comfort in knowing
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Speaker 1: we serve a very just God, and everyone you and
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Speaker 1: me included are going to have to answer to him
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Speaker 1: one day. And that's what allows me to move forward
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Speaker 1: honestly with a smile on my face amidst the chaos.
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Speaker 1: I don't think we'll see worldly justice. There's nothing that
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Speaker 1: could happen to Tyler Robinson or any institution behind Charlie
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Speaker 1: Kirk's death that would equate to justice in my eyes,
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Speaker 1: because again, Charlie Kirk isn't here but to speak to
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Speaker 1: what we have seen following his assassination, specifically from the right.
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Speaker 1: I think it shows us a couple things. First and foremost,
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Speaker 1: it shows us how Charlie Kirk really was the glue,
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Speaker 1: really was I can say, yeah, no.
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Speaker 2: I did. We'd had no clue how much he was
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Speaker 2: the glue, you know.
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Speaker 1: I began to realize it prior to his untimely murder.
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Speaker 1: Really it was the R and C convention, of course,
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Speaker 1: leading up to the twenty twenty four election. What was
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Speaker 1: this July maybe of twenty twenty four. I saw some
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Speaker 1: pretty remarkable names at the R and C convention, people
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Speaker 1: like Amber Rose, who didn't you know, necessarily fit the
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Speaker 1: historical average conservative.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I learned at the time that Charlie Kirk was really
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Speaker 1: behind that same thing with RFK Bobby Kennedy who came
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Speaker 1: out and you know, left the race and endorsed President
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Speaker 1: Trump at a turning point event. Charlie Kirk was behind
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Speaker 1: that same thing with Tulsa Gabbard and understanding her involvement
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Speaker 1: with President Trump's cabinet, actually several of President Trump's cabinet members.
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Speaker 1: I saw how Charlie Kirk had his hand on this,
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Speaker 1: and how the President really did listen to him, and
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Speaker 1: how Charlie Kirk never ever ever wanted any credit for it,
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Speaker 1: He never wanted attention for it. He really wanted what
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Speaker 1: was best for the country. And that was a really
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Speaker 1: admirable thing for me to realize, you know, several months
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Speaker 1: maybe a year before his death, and now we're all
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Speaker 1: realizing it. Posts Charlie kirk assassination. So first and foremost,
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Speaker 1: it shows us that Charlie Kirk really was the glue. Secondly,
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Speaker 1: I think what his assassination has showed us is that
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Speaker 1: there are several people hiding, several people with big platforms
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Speaker 1: who who oftentimes even get the label of being far right.
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Speaker 1: I think they're really hiding behind the cloak of conservatism.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they're conservatives at all. No, we see
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Speaker 1: these people on the line saying, you know, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to vote for Democrats in twenty twenty six and twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty eight, you're not a conservative? Are you kidding me? Like,
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Speaker 1: if you're really going to consider the two alternatives, and look,
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Speaker 1: I'm not here to say that President Trump is a
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Speaker 1: perfect man and he's you know, we've seen a perfect administration. No,
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Speaker 1: of course, not unless Jesus Christ is on the ballot.
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Speaker 1: It is always going to be the lesser of two evils. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I recognize that. But if you're going to compare President
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Speaker 1: Trump versus Kamala Harris, who was the alternative in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty four, and you say you would rather live under
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Speaker 1: a Kamala Harris United States of America, then you're not
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Speaker 1: a conservative. You're not far right or all right or
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Speaker 1: any of those labels that you're often given, because I
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Speaker 1: don't think I really have much in common with you
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Speaker 1: at all. So I think it's shown us that a
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Speaker 1: lot of people are hiding behind the cloak of conservatism
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Speaker 1: but really aren't conservatives.
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Speaker 2: It's Riley Gaines at Riley Gaines just about everywhere. Check
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Speaker 2: out Riley G. Barker over on Instagram. Go check out
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Speaker 2: The Riley Gaines Show. Incredible podcast. You have come into
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Speaker 2: your own and I'm so super proud of you. I
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Speaker 2: want to finish on the Conservative break if we can
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Speaker 2: with this. They have to be doing it for the money. Now.
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Speaker 2: All of these people that were talking about have a
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Speaker 2: lot of money, which is what blows my mind. But
12:53
Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson was the go to monologue when he was
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Speaker 2: on Fox. You could not not see that monologue every
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Speaker 2: night because you did. If you missed it, you missed
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Speaker 2: sort of the beacon of conservatism on Fox every single night.
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Speaker 2: Kendice Owen's was somebody who's been on my show. Tucker's
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Speaker 2: been on my show, Charlie was on my show a lot.
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Speaker 2: You come on my show a lot. These are people
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Speaker 2: that I thought were in our circle that believed in
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Speaker 2: the same value system, Western culture, Western civilization, Judeo Christian values,
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Speaker 2: raise a family, do it right, you know, don't commit crime.
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Speaker 2: But to come out and say like you just alluded to,
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Speaker 2: like Tucker the other day said I'm no longer in
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Speaker 2: the Republican Party. I don't care. Are you still conservative?
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Speaker 2: Are you saying that you would rather have had Kamala Harris?
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Speaker 2: You're probably too young to remember this, but let me
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Speaker 2: harken back to two thousand and nine when the Tea
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Speaker 2: Party happened. The tea party movement happened, and it was
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Speaker 2: a movement, it was one thing. Then what happened was
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Speaker 2: and thankfully nobody was assassinated to cause this. What happened
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Speaker 2: was they all wanted the power, They all wanted to
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Speaker 2: be the top dog on whatever that tea party thing was.
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Speaker 2: Then there were eighteen different, you know, fractured tea party organizers,
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Speaker 2: and it fell apart, and the left just sat by
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Speaker 2: and watched. Could happen? Riley? Are we just handing the
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Speaker 2: left a win by allowing for this division? It just
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Speaker 2: seems so weird to me.
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Speaker 1: It's so hard to predict the future of politics because
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Speaker 1: I feel like a week in politics is equivalent to
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Speaker 1: like two years in the real world. It's hard to predict, honestly,
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Speaker 1: I think, as you know, so long as the left
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Speaker 1: continues to be as radical as they've become on virtually
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Speaker 1: every topic. It doesn't matter if we're talking border, it
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Speaker 1: doesn't matter if we're talking crime or homelessness or ever
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Speaker 1: any of the ideologies. Okay, they have become so far
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Speaker 1: removed from your average American, then maybe we won't. I
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Speaker 1: don't see you know, again, it's hard to predict, and
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Speaker 1: I'm certainly no political strategies. Maybe we won't suffer as
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Speaker 1: much harm and detriment as as Honestly, I think we
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Speaker 1: we kind of need to based on the discourse that
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Speaker 1: we have seen. But the left is so radical that
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Speaker 1: you can't imagine in a world where again they reclaim
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Speaker 1: any any more power than what they currently have in
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Speaker 1: Congress in the US inate now, I know, historically and
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Speaker 1: talking about the midterms and what is to come, I know,
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Speaker 1: historically when you have you know, a changeover in the
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Speaker 1: Oval office. Of course, now we have bresident Trump, and
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Speaker 1: they're historically we will see some of those red seats
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Speaker 1: turned blue. Right, that's just a matter of fact. So
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Speaker 1: I think we can expect that for sure, and that
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Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily be out of norm. But the left is
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Speaker 1: so radical.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's so bad. You're right, But they one
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Speaker 2: by one are winning these really important seats, and I
15:37
Speaker 2: think people are still sort of in a daze and
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Speaker 2: not realizing, and hopefully through your voice and through mind,
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Speaker 2: they will realize it. Let's shift gears a little bit
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Speaker 2: and talk about the Supreme Court. A couple of weeks ago,
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Speaker 2: did the right thing. And what's interesting is when you
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Speaker 2: and I started talking, I'm not even sure if you
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Speaker 2: were married yet. You certainly were with Charlie, but I'm
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Speaker 2: not sure if you were married yet, and you certainly
15:57
Speaker 2: didn't have a baby yet. The most important thing to
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Speaker 1: You could not be more right. It's so funny when
17:33
Speaker 1: I think of how I initially approach doesn't naturally understandably,
17:37
Speaker 1: but I think I approached this issue kind of selfishly right,
17:40
Speaker 1: relating it to my own personal experience, how I had
17:43
Speaker 1: been harmed, my teammates had been harmed, the regression and
17:47
Speaker 1: the violation and the betrayal that we saw that we
17:50
Speaker 1: felt right. Of course, I still recognize it from that perspective,
17:55
Speaker 1: but that's not necessarily what's important to me anymore, Right,
17:59
Speaker 1: my own success or whatever you want to call it. No,
18:03
Speaker 1: Now I think of my daughter, and at the time,
18:07
Speaker 1: she was a hypothetical, like it was a potential. I certainly,
18:10
Speaker 1: you know, I could only hope and pray that I
18:12
Speaker 1: would have a daughter of my own one day. Well,
18:14
Speaker 1: guess what, now she's here and I'll never forget holding
18:16
Speaker 1: her in my arms for the first time. And to
18:19
Speaker 1: kind of go back to Charlie's assassination, this isn't something
18:21
Speaker 1: that I've talked about a lot, but being you know,
18:23
Speaker 1: thirty eight thirty nine weeks pregnant at the time when
18:26
Speaker 1: I saw that he had been murdered, and understanding that
18:30
Speaker 1: I had sat right there beside him. I'd been on
18:32
Speaker 1: these campuses, one of the most hostiles San Francisco State University.
18:36
Speaker 1: We sat under that same tent together and did this.
18:38
Speaker 1: I recognize that could have been me, and that was
18:40
Speaker 1: a terrifying thought, being thirty eight thirty nine weeks pregnant,
18:43
Speaker 1: and so I vowed to myself right then and there
18:45
Speaker 1: when I saw this video, I was never ever going
18:47
Speaker 1: to step foot on a college campus. Again, it wasn't
18:50
Speaker 1: worth it right. I had a daughter to protect. I
18:52
Speaker 1: had to be the best mom that I could be
18:54
Speaker 1: for her. And then you hold her in your arms
18:56
Speaker 1: for the first time, and it was almost immediate that
18:59
Speaker 1: that that thought of the way I do protect her
19:04
Speaker 1: as stepping back on those those campuses. There's nothing that
19:08
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do for my daughter. The feeling of altruism
19:11
Speaker 1: that I have, the selflessness, the I mean, walk across
19:14
Speaker 1: broken glass. There's no mountain I wouldn't climb for my daughter.
19:18
Speaker 1: And so that is definitely what I think about now,
19:20
Speaker 1: not just on this issue, but across the board. I
19:23
Speaker 1: want my daughter. I think about the country that she
19:25
Speaker 1: will inherit and what is it that I want. I
19:27
Speaker 1: want her to inherit A more safe, a more fair,
19:30
Speaker 1: a more just. I'm a moral, a more prosperous, righteous,
19:34
Speaker 1: opportunistic nation. That's what I'm fighting for. And it's not
19:36
Speaker 1: for me, it's for her. And I think that's a
19:39
Speaker 1: pretty standard way of thinking as a parent, and it's involuntary,
19:41
Speaker 1: at least for me. You don't even have to think
19:44
Speaker 1: about it. That shift just happens naturally. It's one of
19:47
Speaker 1: the most amazing and biological things that I think you
19:52
Speaker 1: could go through as a parent, and I think especially
19:54
Speaker 1: as a mom to a young daughter.
19:55
Speaker 2: Well, a couple of things. You weren't being selfish at
19:58
Speaker 2: the time because you lived it. You had to face
20:00
Speaker 2: a guy in the girls locker room, You had to
20:02
Speaker 2: face a man that was competing in a competition he
20:05
Speaker 2: should not have competed in. So I mean you were
20:07
Speaker 2: not to be Yes, of course you were in the moment,
20:10
Speaker 2: and you should have held the trophy and you should
20:13
Speaker 2: have been given the glory that you worked so hard for.
20:15
Speaker 2: But I get exactly what you're saying. Man. You know
20:17
Speaker 2: I've got five daughters, I've got two granddaughters and a grandson.
20:20
Speaker 2: I will fight to the death for these people, and
20:23
Speaker 2: I have and I will continue to do that. It
20:25
Speaker 2: does change everything because as much as we want our
20:28
Speaker 2: own personal success through our drive and determination and what
20:30
Speaker 2: we learned from our parents, everything changes when you've got
20:33
Speaker 2: a little baby in your hands. Everything changes when that
20:35
Speaker 2: person looks at you and goes, are you gonna feed
20:37
Speaker 2: me or not? Are you gonna change my diaper or not?
20:39
Speaker 2: You're gonna hold me and hug me today or not?
20:41
Speaker 2: So everything does change. The Title nine thing was so
20:44
Speaker 2: stupid to begin with because Title nine came around when
20:46
Speaker 2: I was a little kid, and Title nine was very
20:48
Speaker 2: simply girls deserve the same opportunities as boys. I can't
20:52
Speaker 2: believe it took fifty years for the Supreme Court to
20:55
Speaker 2: have to say, you know, girls deserve the same opportunities
20:59
Speaker 2: as boys. This is a huge win, but not as
21:01
Speaker 2: big as it needs to be because this is only
21:03
Speaker 2: for the states that have actually passed laws saying girls
21:06
Speaker 2: have their own spaces, girls have their own sports, and
21:09
Speaker 2: boys can't be in there. Why is in every state
21:11
Speaker 2: doing this? And do you think the Supreme Court ruling
21:13
Speaker 2: will cause other states now to maybe pass some legislation, you.
21:16
Speaker 1: Know, I'm hoping. So it certainly provides them cover. Right, So,
21:20
Speaker 1: states where ballot initiatives or referendums or any sort of
21:23
Speaker 1: ballot measure is being put forward, states like Maine or
21:27
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania or Colorado, obviously these are all blue or at
21:31
Speaker 1: the best, purple states. This will provide them cover to
21:34
Speaker 1: do what they're doing. And it means the people's voice
21:36
Speaker 1: can be heard. So that's certainly good news. Now, if
21:39
Speaker 1: you're asking me, if we think that California or Washington,
21:42
Speaker 1: organ or Minnesota or any of those crazy blue states
21:46
Speaker 1: that are leaving at rapid rates and coming to our
21:48
Speaker 1: home states of Texas and Tennessee. If I think they'll change,
21:53
Speaker 1: absolutely not. And it's so interesting to me because I
21:57
Speaker 1: don't think they're doing it because they actually believe that
22:00
Speaker 1: boys and girls are physically the same. I can't convince
22:04
Speaker 1: myself that they think that because kindergarteners, No kindergarteners know
22:07
Speaker 1: that's not true. Okay. I actually believe people like Gavin Newsom,
22:12
Speaker 1: you know, he's often labeled as, you know, unintelligent or whatever.
22:15
Speaker 1: I actually think he's he's pretty smart, and that's I
22:19
Speaker 1: think more concerning actually, because he's intentionally evil. Anyways, I
22:24
Speaker 1: don't think they actually think that boys can become girls,
22:27
Speaker 1: or that tampons belong in boys bathrooms, or that men
22:29
Speaker 1: can get pregnant, or that women need prostate exams. I
22:31
Speaker 1: don't think they think that. I think though, that they
22:35
Speaker 1: believe they're giving a middle finger to President Trump. They're
22:39
Speaker 1: doing this as a total act of defiance to President Trump.
22:42
Speaker 1: But my, my, here's what I want to say to them,
22:44
Speaker 1: is you're not giving a middle finger to President Trump.
22:47
Speaker 1: It doesn't affect President Trump if you put boys in
22:49
Speaker 1: girls sport. But who you are giving a middle finger
22:52
Speaker 1: to is every single girl in your state. And how
22:55
Speaker 1: do you how do you reconcile that? I don't I
22:58
Speaker 1: don't really know. So so I think we'll continue to
23:01
Speaker 1: see total defiance. And so what I hope we see
23:04
Speaker 1: following this god of decision is real enforcement mechanisms from
23:08
Speaker 1: our government. Of course, we have the Department of Justice,
23:10
Speaker 1: we have the Department of Education. They actually even can
23:13
Speaker 1: work in collaboration to hold these institutions accountable that are
23:17
Speaker 1: ultimately violating federal law. That federal law being Title nine.
23:21
Speaker 1: And so I hope we see real enforcement mechanisms to
23:25
Speaker 1: hold these people's feet to the fire, because again, what
23:27
Speaker 1: they're doing is now illegal.
23:30
Speaker 2: Well, they should make nation wide legislation on top of
23:33
Speaker 2: Title nine. I mean, just codify you through some sort
23:35
Speaker 2: of a bill or law of something. To get into
23:37
Speaker 2: the President's desk. They need to start suing Oregon, you
23:39
Speaker 2: start suing California. They will be in the wrong and
23:41
Speaker 2: they'll be found wrong, I believe by the Supreme Court.
23:44
Speaker 2: How did you feel about Baker's reaction to this from
23:47
Speaker 2: the NCUABLEA. He's like, yeah, well, we're just going to
23:49
Speaker 2: follow what the guidelines are. I mean, he's still not
23:51
Speaker 2: really taking a stand saying women and girls' sports are
23:54
Speaker 2: for women in girls. Why can he just say that?
23:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, Charlie Baker again, the president of the NCAA. He
24:00
Speaker 1: has been morally bankrupt, spineless coward from the beginning.
24:06
Speaker 2: How do you feel about it?
24:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, to put it pretty plainly, he said this following
24:10
Speaker 1: President Trump's executive order back in February of twenty twenty five,
24:15
Speaker 1: said look, we're going to comply with federal law. He
24:18
Speaker 1: releases this new policy. Guess what. The policy has more
24:20
Speaker 1: holes than Swiss cheese. It resorts to things such as
24:23
Speaker 1: birth certificates. That's how the NCAA is going to determine sex.
24:28
Speaker 1: But guess what, in forty four states and across the world,
24:31
Speaker 1: you can make your birth certificate for fraudulent by claiming you
24:33
Speaker 1: are something other than what you actually are, something other
24:36
Speaker 1: than what God created you to be. So that policy,
24:39
Speaker 1: of course, it just doesn't really stand. So I think
24:43
Speaker 1: the NCUAA does what they can and what they need
24:46
Speaker 1: to do to save face. But there have been countless
24:50
Speaker 1: issues with the nc DOUBLEA, whether it's transfer portal eligibility
24:54
Speaker 1: rules nil. Obviously men and women's sports. This is a
24:58
Speaker 1: pretty useless organization, I believe at this point in time.
25:01
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, because you know the inner
25:03
Speaker 2: workings of the NCAA. I don't what would be wrong
25:06
Speaker 2: with him saying women in girls sports are for women
25:09
Speaker 2: and girls, men and boys sports are for men and boys.
25:11
Speaker 2: What would the blowback be on this guy? I mean,
25:13
Speaker 2: he's already said I'm going to comply. I'm going to
25:16
Speaker 2: follow the directive. I mean, why can't he just come
25:18
Speaker 2: out and say that and just take whatever little bit
25:20
Speaker 2: of heat there is and then move on Because we
25:22
Speaker 2: keep hearing that we're talking about point zero one percent
25:25
Speaker 2: of the population. It's not that big a deal. Obviously.
25:28
Speaker 2: I think that we can name ten people that are
25:31
Speaker 2: trying to do this in the NCAA right now. What's
25:34
Speaker 2: the blowback? What is he afraid of?
25:36
Speaker 1: Well, to put it pretty clear, there would be no blowback.
25:40
Speaker 1: I mean honestly outside of left wing media, right, I mean,
25:44
Speaker 1: that's a big deal, exactly exactly. But that terrifies people
25:48
Speaker 1: like Charlie Baker. So I'm asking the same question, why
25:53
Speaker 1: would you not look at what Christy Coventry has done,
25:55
Speaker 1: who's now the president of the IOC at the International
25:58
Speaker 1: Olympic Committee, which, by the way, Olympics in twenty twenty
26:01
Speaker 1: eight in the US. I'm so excited about this. She
26:04
Speaker 1: came out and said, look, we're going to be requiring
26:06
Speaker 1: sex verification tests to test if for every athlete male
26:10
Speaker 1: and female, for a Y chromosome or the srygh which
26:13
Speaker 1: is only present in Y chromosomes, which is only present
26:16
Speaker 1: in males. It is a simple, cheap, okay, cheap, non invasive.
26:20
Speaker 1: The other side will try to tell you they're doing
26:22
Speaker 1: you know, inspections and or not.
26:24
Speaker 2: Nobody ever said to do that.
26:26
Speaker 1: No, this is far less invasive actually than the COVID test,
26:29
Speaker 1: which I had to submit to every single week in college. Okay,
26:33
Speaker 1: it's not invasive, it's cheap, it's effective, and the athletes
26:36
Speaker 1: want it. I would love to see Charlie Baker, the
26:38
Speaker 1: president of the NCAA, do the same thing at the
26:41
Speaker 1: collegiate level, but he won't because he's a coward.
26:45
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26:53
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26:56
Speaker 2: Why are women speaking out so much now? Women in sports?
26:59
Speaker 2: Is it because you? And again I know that you're
27:01
Speaker 2: not somebody who patched yourself on the back, but you
27:03
Speaker 2: sort of set the pace. You said you can speak
27:05
Speaker 2: out and you can be righteous in what you're saying.
27:08
Speaker 2: Is that why they're doing it? Is there something else
27:09
Speaker 2: going on? Because more and more every day, and I'm
27:12
Speaker 2: so proud of them, there are more women athletes speaking out.
27:15
Speaker 1: You know what. I think there's a level of cover provided,
27:18
Speaker 1: honestly by President Trump. I think because he is so
27:23
Speaker 1: unashamed to speak about this topic. And I know you've
27:25
Speaker 1: seen the clips. I mean, he's campaigned on it prior
27:28
Speaker 1: to the election, he's talked about it since. And it's
27:29
Speaker 1: it's the weightlifter, right, and he mocks this male weightlifters
27:35
Speaker 1: pretending to be a woman, and he makes it funny.
27:38
Speaker 1: It's like a South Park episode.
27:39
Speaker 2: He does this whole thing. Uh, yes, it's pretty good.
27:43
Speaker 1: It's so funny because he talks about, Oh, Malania hates
27:45
Speaker 1: when I do this. Lannia I can't stand when I
27:48
Speaker 1: do this, But that level of just boldness and saying
27:52
Speaker 1: something that has been deemed controversial President Trump makes you
27:56
Speaker 1: remember that it's really not it's not noisy crazy. Yeah.
27:59
Speaker 1: The thought that he's having in the things that he
28:01
Speaker 1: campaigns on and the policies that he support, they don't
28:04
Speaker 1: make you radical or crazy. It makes you normal, and
28:06
Speaker 1: it makes you love America, and it makes you love
28:08
Speaker 1: common sense and women and girls, and I mean, I
28:12
Speaker 1: don't know their future quite frankly, that's it. And so
28:15
Speaker 1: I think he has provided a level of cover to
28:17
Speaker 1: people to say the controversial thing. So again, that's that's
28:22
Speaker 1: why I'm I I truthfully, I'm not exaggerating when I
28:24
Speaker 1: say this. I think God, every single day that he
28:26
Speaker 1: is back in the Oval Office, our lives would look
28:29
Speaker 1: a whole lot different if we didn't have that sort
28:31
Speaker 1: of bold leadership.
28:33
Speaker 2: I would be REMISSI of it didn't bring up something
28:34
Speaker 2: that's going on in a different sport completely. You're like
28:37
Speaker 2: five six, so I don't think you were playing basketball,
28:39
Speaker 2: you know, in college, but as a watch actually you
28:42
Speaker 2: probably could have. I've you know, I'm friends with Becky Hammond,
28:44
Speaker 2: who's also your height. But having said that, I'm watching
28:48
Speaker 2: Caitlyn Collins just just getting her asked kicked. It's Kaitlyn
28:51
Speaker 2: Collins or Clark. Collins is on CNN, Caitlin Clark is
28:55
Speaker 2: out there the Indiana Fever. And I don't watch the
28:58
Speaker 2: w NBA. It's just not a exciting enough for me.
29:00
Speaker 2: I like to see people flying over the basket and
29:02
Speaker 2: dunking in people's faces. But having said that, it's a
29:04
Speaker 2: good game that's getting more and more popularity because of
29:06
Speaker 2: somebody like like Caitlyn Clark. When you see her getting
29:10
Speaker 2: her ass kicked every day by other women, for God's sakes,
29:13
Speaker 2: as a former, you know, really top level athlete, what
29:16
Speaker 2: do you make of that? What is their problem? Is
29:19
Speaker 2: this a racial thing? Is that what we're looking at?
29:22
Speaker 2: Pure and simply they don't like that she's not the
29:25
Speaker 2: right race and is doing well in the WNBA. I
29:27
Speaker 2: don't get it. What do you think.
29:29
Speaker 1: I don't think it helps that she's white. I don't
29:33
Speaker 1: think it helps that she's straight. But really, what I
29:36
Speaker 1: think it is is total jealousy. You've got this girl
29:39
Speaker 1: who became the queen of the WNBA before she ever
29:41
Speaker 1: even set foot on a WNBA court right, and she
29:46
Speaker 1: revolutionized the game, and I think people really hate her
29:48
Speaker 1: for it. And I think, being white and straight again,
29:51
Speaker 1: if this was a black, lesbian woman who had revolutionized
29:55
Speaker 1: the game, I think we would be seeing a different response,
29:58
Speaker 1: But that's not the case for Caln Clark, and I
30:00
Speaker 1: think it's jealousy. That's what it sims down to. But
30:04
Speaker 1: it's really hard to watch, quite frankly, as someone who
30:07
Speaker 1: also like yourself. I mean, maybe I wasn't the biggest
30:09
Speaker 1: women's basketball fan, but I am a big Kaitlin Clark fan.
30:12
Speaker 1: And what she's done not just for the sport of basketball,
30:14
Speaker 1: but for women's sports as a whole, And so I
30:17
Speaker 1: tune in, I watch games largely because of her, And
30:20
Speaker 1: that's that's not abnormal, that that's kind of actually become
30:24
Speaker 1: a pretty standard across the board. She is the one
30:26
Speaker 1: that's bringing in the ratings and the merchandise sells and
30:29
Speaker 1: changing economics of women's basketball altogether, and they hate her
30:34
Speaker 1: for it. I have never seen an organization more dedicated
30:38
Speaker 1: to self imploding than the WNBA, the worst marketed, the
30:42
Speaker 1: worst run league in the history of leagues bar none.
30:45
Speaker 2: Well, I'm old enough to have watched Michael Jordan play live.
30:48
Speaker 2: You're not, But I was not a big NBA fan
30:51
Speaker 2: at all, But I'm hearing this Michael Jordan guy's doing
30:53
Speaker 2: stuff that you got to see. Is Michael Jordan. Guy's
30:55
Speaker 2: really really good. This Michael Jordan guys making everybody else
30:57
Speaker 2: look like children. So I started watching, and guess what.
31:00
Speaker 2: I then became a fan of Charles Oakley, who was
31:02
Speaker 2: on the bulls, of Scottie Pippen, who was on the
31:04
Speaker 2: bulls of Tim Hardaway. We just down the lone bj Armstrong.
31:08
Speaker 2: I didn't know any of these players, and I became
31:10
Speaker 2: fans of them, and then I became fans of the
31:12
Speaker 2: teams they were playing, and then I got really locked
31:14
Speaker 2: into where I think I like the NBA whereas I
31:17
Speaker 2: was a kid that grew up liking baseball. Why don't
31:19
Speaker 2: the other players, in your opinion, why don't they understand
31:23
Speaker 2: she's bringing in more money for all of them, more
31:25
Speaker 2: eyeballs for all of them, filling stadiums for all of them,
31:28
Speaker 2: and why isn't that a collective good?
31:32
Speaker 1: Because we're talking about women here.
31:35
Speaker 2: And I mean, is there an aspect of that Look at.
31:40
Speaker 1: The difference between let let's remove basketball, Let's look at soccer,
31:44
Speaker 1: which has also been in the news. Right. Compare the
31:47
Speaker 1: US men's national team to the US women's national team, which,
31:51
Speaker 1: by the way, the US women's national team is objectively
31:54
Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, on average historically standards and
31:57
Speaker 1: rankings and competing and even at the World Cup level,
32:01
Speaker 1: the women's team is objectively better. They are far less
32:04
Speaker 1: enjoyable to watch because of their players, not because of
32:07
Speaker 1: the pace of the game or anything like that. They're
32:09
Speaker 1: objectively better. But you have the likes of Megan Rapino, yes,
32:13
Speaker 1: and Alex Morgan. They're almost insufferable, not just because of
32:19
Speaker 1: their politics or the things that they support, but to
32:21
Speaker 1: each other even it's really toxic. Compare that to the men,
32:26
Speaker 1: who you've got this pretty epic moment of President Trump
32:29
Speaker 1: getting involved in this FIFA red card reversal. You just
32:34
Speaker 1: feel patriotic watching the men. It's a totally different game
32:38
Speaker 1: altogether because of I guess the different dynamic that you
32:42
Speaker 1: see in women's sports and you see in men's sports.
32:45
Speaker 1: So I think that's a large part of it. And yeah,
32:48
Speaker 1: the WNBA in talking about you know, you've become an
32:51
Speaker 1: NBA fan. They don't necessarily the WNBA. They don't necessarily
32:54
Speaker 1: have to worry about their profits because it steals from
32:57
Speaker 1: the men's league to pay for everything, So they don't
33:00
Speaker 1: care about.
33:00
Speaker 2: Completely subsidized by the men's league. And they all complain
33:03
Speaker 2: they're not making enough money. We should be making the
33:04
Speaker 2: money the men are making. No, you're not bringing in
33:06
Speaker 2: the money the men are making. We give me a break.
33:08
Speaker 2: Let's finish with us and Riley, I always appreciate the
33:10
Speaker 2: time and the access. What is the next step, because
33:12
Speaker 2: I think that I've heard you say that athletics isn't
33:15
Speaker 2: necessarily next for girls and for women. What is next
33:19
Speaker 2: as far as the fight going forward? It's not about athletics.
33:21
Speaker 2: What is it about?
33:23
Speaker 1: You know? I think ultimately defining these terms is really
33:27
Speaker 1: really important because that sets the precedent for every faction
33:30
Speaker 1: of life. So we've seen this infringement in women's prisons
33:34
Speaker 1: and sororities and domestic violence shelters, et cetera, et cetera,
33:39
Speaker 1: et cetera. Right, it's not just women's sports where we're
33:41
Speaker 1: seeing this infiltration and ultimately women being harmed, which is
33:45
Speaker 1: why it's so important that we define these terms so
33:48
Speaker 1: it can be interpreted and clarified once and for all,
33:52
Speaker 1: and there's no more confusion. We've seen eighteen states now
33:56
Speaker 1: do just that pass. It's merely like definitional bills, defining
34:00
Speaker 1: words like woman, man, girl, boy, mother, father, male, female
34:03
Speaker 1: words we never ever thought of.
34:04
Speaker 2: There, we have to define them and that they're they're
34:07
Speaker 2: not variable, they're fixed.
34:09
Speaker 1: No. But then you have states like New York where
34:11
Speaker 1: the governor Governor hokel right now has a bill on
34:14
Speaker 1: her desk to ultimately change the state statute words like
34:18
Speaker 1: mother toes stating parent. I mean, that's like literally insane.
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Speaker 1: That's like the most dehumanizing verbiage I've ever heard a
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Speaker 1: woman be called outside of in Wisconsin when they attempted
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Speaker 1: to change it to inseminated persons, that's what they changed
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Speaker 1: mother too. So again, all that to say, it's important
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Speaker 1: that we define these words. Our language matters, The words
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Speaker 1: that we use matter, because ultimately that's what forms a
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Speaker 1: picture in our mind, which shapes how we think and
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Speaker 1: how we interact and how we behave and the things
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Speaker 1: that we say. Uh So, I think I think that's
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Speaker 1: really the next big step.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it shows you how much of a dude I am.
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Speaker 2: I never really thought beyond sports, but you're right, women
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Speaker 2: spaces and girls bas it should be. It should be
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Speaker 2: absolutely private only for them, comfortable safe, you know, not
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Speaker 2: to look over your shoulder. I mean, that's simple and
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Speaker 2: that can be. I didn't think about prisons, but you're right,
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Speaker 2: there are men being taken to women's prisons for no reason.
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Speaker 2: I didn't think about this other stuff outside of sports,
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Speaker 2: but all of that is inclusive. I hate that we
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Speaker 2: have to say, like you just said, to find what
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Speaker 2: a woman is what a man is. By the way,
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Speaker 2: imagine being a non gestating parent. That sounds even worse
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Speaker 2: than a gestating parent. I know. I was literally I
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Speaker 2: was at a radio conference in New York City and
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Speaker 2: we went and ate some Italian food because God knows,
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Speaker 2: I've got to have some Italian food in New York City.
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Speaker 2: And the waitress was like, are you all conservative? Like
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Speaker 2: I was like, out of the blue, yes, can you
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Speaker 2: believe it? Hopefully she told me about this story. She's
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Speaker 2: a mother, and she was very upset in New York
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Speaker 2: City that the governor of the state of New York
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Speaker 2: would literally say, you are no longer to be called mother, Riley,
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Speaker 2: You're a mother. Can you imagine somebody looking at you
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Speaker 2: and saying you could never be called a mother again.
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Speaker 2: You smack them in ahead.
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Speaker 1: You know, if my husband came to me on this
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Speaker 1: Sunday in May traditionally known as Mother's Day, and brought
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Speaker 1: me a card that said Happy jes stating Parents' Day,
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Speaker 1: I would probably just slap them in the face, rightfully
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Speaker 1: so and he.
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Speaker 2: Would deserve it with his British accent. Listen, I love
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Speaker 2: you like crazy great stuff here today. I love the podcast,
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Speaker 2: and I got to tell you something. You're one of
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Speaker 2: my favorite stars on Medium. You're one of my favorite
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Speaker 2: people anyway, but you have become so comfortable in your
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Speaker 2: own skin and what you bring every day, whether it's
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Speaker 2: on Instagram or TikTok or and the Riley Gain Show
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Speaker 2: is remarkable. I'm super proud of you for it.
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Speaker 1: You're the best show, and the feelings mutual. Thank you.
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Speaker 1: You're always there for me too, and that's that's rare
36:43
Speaker 1: in the space. As we've kind of talked about, there
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Speaker 1: are a few people who you feel like you can
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Speaker 1: really lean on and trust quite frankly, and you're one
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Speaker 1: of those people. Even recently when I had something that
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Speaker 1: came up. I text you, I'm like, hey, what do
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Speaker 1: you think of this? Is this okay to say? Is
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Speaker 1: this wrong? Is this what would you think if you
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Speaker 1: saw this? So?
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Speaker 2: And by the way, what you ended up posting, by
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Speaker 2: the way, got three million views or something crazy, which
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Speaker 2: was which was masterful. We'll talk about that at length
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Speaker 2: next time. Because you were attacked for no reason. I
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Speaker 2: thought that was stupid and I'm glad that you do that.
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Speaker 2: You do trust me on that. I'm honored by that.
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Speaker 1: Riley truly, well, please please you and I we tend
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Speaker 1: to we bring the controversy with us. What's the we do?
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Speaker 2: Who we are? Well, we can never stop that because
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Speaker 2: our fans expected now Riley bested Charlie and that beautiful baby.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk again very soon. Thanks for the time today.
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Speaker 1: You're the best.
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Speaker 2: Thank you all right, that's gonna do a friend shake
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Speaker 2: and unafraid with Joe Paggs this time.
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