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Talks to Dave, Lucy & Daniel about their choice of Planet of Fire (4/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Welcome back to a hamster with a blunt penknife the Doctor Who
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commentary podcast, which I believe somebody puts a review
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saying that it's one of the best things that dr.
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You found a ever done. So I don't know whether they say
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that after they hear this episode but they are also very
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strange people out there, you know, they're very nice people
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out there. My name is Daniel and I'm still
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still here with the wonderful day for Any the fantastic.
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I'm sorry. Hello.
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And the effervescent Lucy McCall and the Excellent.
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Go forward. And we're just about to embark
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on part 4 of planets of fire, which I think we're enjoying it.
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Even if we're not talking, a huge, huge amount about the
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episode but I think we like it. No, not necessarily love it, but
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I think we like it. I thought we did pretty well for
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episode 3. You know, talking about, what
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was on the screen, Lucy kept us in line in episode 3.
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Okay. Well, Lucy would you like to
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count us in? Because even though some people
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might be watching listening to this at the, you know, the crack
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of dawn. It's it's getting late amount of
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my beauty sleep. So do you countess Countess him,
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please, okay, five, four, three, two, one, go, God just say I'll
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consider it a personal Triumph that I've managed to make all of
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you say that ridiculous thing at the beginning of the episode in
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180. So I've got a question and it
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may not Escape people's attention.
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Notice that I happen to be a big fan of Nicola Bryant and Perry,
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but what what do we all think of Nikola not necessarily making
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Brian? Who I think does really well as
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with the, with the material, she's given, but what do you
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think of Perry as a character Joe She's a character.
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I don't expect a lot from so I'm actually often surprised at how
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good she is and I think a lot of her worth comes from Nicola
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Brian. I think is thinking through the
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scripts more than the bloody script editor is and she's so
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good at playing especially in suffer and razani where she's
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constantly under threat. She's so good at playing that
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stuff. Laughs that I'm always on her
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side. In fact, sometimes I think it's
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trays into quite a dull territory with her.
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So yeah. So I think she's more impressive
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than people give her credit for. I just wish they'd just cut back
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on the Widgeon asshole. Yeah, Lucy yeah.
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I think I do remember when I watched it the first time
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around, whether whether I took to her particularly I have an
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idea that I might not have done when I was Younger watching this
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watching. It isn't as an adult woman.
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I'm kind of what the hell of a lot of the episodes.
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Like, again, you're doing Phantom of the Opera again, how
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many more hideously mutated? People are going to have a want
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to do unspeakable things to her. And yeah, I don't think I think
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the character is very ill-used, really.
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And in a way that starts to get quite creepy quite quickly.
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Oh you might have a couple of f one episode where that happens.
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So in and razani but to bring it back again and again and again
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is just like what really? So yeah, I know I sort of seen
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her having seen her interviewed and have a lot of respect for
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her as an actress and what she went through with the part is
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extraordinary having to pretend that she was American.
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Yeah it's just under the whole. A lot of the things that
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happened to her really creepy and unpleasant just to do with
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with being Doctor Who and having the parts.
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Oh yeah. But I do like now that she's
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chasing the master around. He's told he's, and he's running
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away for sure. Dave, would you think of Perry I
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like the character. I think she acts very well which
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is given but as the others have said, is far too much of that,
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she's lost it after, and she's in complete Terror really
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because all these lustful aliens and what speed really good with
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back furnish, especially, is that, you know, what your story
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is? You see over there actress years
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because that's sort of Peered back.
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And there isn't as much aliens lusted after and she actually
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gets a lot more substance and things did more to do and she
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Rises to it very well. I mean, I definitely would check
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out, can't think of one sort of my head, but check out some of
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your big finish because for any fan, that Frank's us just Perry
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and she's screaming at all. And it's like, a heart back to
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the sixties, just listen earrings when the audience.
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But she's really just She's playing what?
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She's been given, really? Yeah, that's the problem before.
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The 80s stuff, do you have in the Book of Revelation of the
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Daleks where she talks to the DJ?
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And she says about being homesick or bit in mysterious
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planet when she realizes it's the Earth and she sort of
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laments over the fact that is the Earth and he comes with her
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and then like the beginning mysterious planet that mine
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ball, where is like would you prepare to do the skedaddle
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test? And she knows exactly.
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Exactly what you mean. Yeah, she does surprised.
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She did she get small ones that scene in mysterious planet?
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She's brilliant. It's selling that she's so upset
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because she's realized that their sister home in the future
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and it's Saloon and he's very tender with her Colin God is he
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sort of tries to put his hand on her and she saw it and he's
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like, you know, but the thing that disappoints me, I mean I
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didn't notice this as the kid, but as an adult She's very much
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written as the victim. Yes, yes.
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And as well as all the, you know, characters sort of lusting
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after whether it's the borad or Joe Belle, she's constantly
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written as the victim. She's never really given if you
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can as a kid. I preferred pail Perry to Mel as
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an adult. I see Mel as being a far more
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positive character. If you watch your entire of the
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vervoids, she's given the opportunity to go off and
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investigate herself. If she's more proactive, whereas
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Perry's or is going, I'll cut me, just go back to the Tardis.
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And yes, and I love Nicola Bryant as she never gives a bad
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performance, but the characters Always written as being.
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It's not even, she's not even written in the same way as Tegan
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is, who's quite strong. She's just sort of a bit of a
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whiny brat sometimes, and when she's you know, where she's been
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interrogated in Vengeance on varas by the, by the governor,
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she was some butt. Since it is at one point and you
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kind of think I wish they'd just make her a and one.
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This is the script editors folks just make a a lot stronger than
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than in the same way that some of the other companions were
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she, she tries to stand up to him.
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I think ultimately she's not strong enough to stand up for
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him. So he's comes across as a bully,
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a lot of the time, whereas if you think about someone like
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Evelyn smile from the big finish Audios in the And she's appears,
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she ain't putting up with none of his shit.
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Suddenly the Dynamics really different because he's always on
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the back foot. We never got that Perry, know
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not to give away any spoilers B, when she comes back and you'll
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use as an older period that they're all sort of reverse
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receiving because now she's completely different.
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And she says, basically it shows right?
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Go am I see it as it was assassin and since I'm not
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taking any the shut up, All that time before.
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It's just a shame we didn't see your screen.
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I thought she was great when they did the trailer for it was
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it's too and she's in the temple with the giant.
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You can't us statue and then she, she knows you.
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This is that quote figure, she turns around.
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And she says, what do you know of the warrior Queen?
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And then he, she's quite serious and very sort of stately.
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And then he tells this, what's his name?
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Rex says all about all those. You she was very brave and very,
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you know, wrong. It wisely and then she goes.
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Wow, it's like there's the Perry then she says to the doctor who
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shouts actually, I'll keep your spats arms.
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You know where they have a volcano.
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Erupting, all the things. These things randomly remind me
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of these same process, the ones that Cassio, hadn't Keepers
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track him. And they had the things with the
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neck and the gold is at the exactly.
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The same probably won't be owner.
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Probably its might Yes, similar. But Cassius was really quite
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tight around in a car seat. Remember?
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Yeah, this is more of a. I mean, it's all know, sort of
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necklace thing, isn't it? But it's the key to open the The
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transmission channel on the on the ship.
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So we've just had, which is mr. Lowe's revelation of how he came
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to be stranded in school learning in England.
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Yeah, I wish we had a genuine Arc, isn't it?
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Yeah, it needs. And it's like, you know, the
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doctors and he's making the decision to sort of stop
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running. And, and say, I because he knows
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that he could. He can get the people taken off
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the if he calls for help but he has to call for help and he's
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decided to do that. It's really why he's getting
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peer driven with back to do this last story because he thought,
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of course, is first, mm-hmm. So he was able to fill in all
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the blanks was it Yet, you know, but I just, I think this is
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great, the stock footage of the lava.
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I look at that makes it well, doesn't it?
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It doesn't mix well together. Just smoke going in, and it
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looks like they're standing on a volcano.
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Yeah, that's fabulous. And that's all the heat as well.
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I mean, it was supposed to be very hot.
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There is I mean it was filmed in October but it was still going
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on. It was it was still be quite
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warm and starving 25. It's certainly big twenties
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anyway. Would you mind if I ask a
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question very quickly, you go 4head?
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Yeah, go for it. All right, just because we said
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about the production value, yeah.
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Do you think that this is an error of all style and no
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substance? It can be. but I think, I think
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if you look at a story like case about Andrews only which again
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is filmed in a quarry and it's the it's the sandpit.
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Eden in Dorset but Graham Harper directs it was such agency and
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gives it such. I mean I know that Eric say
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would wasn't particularly impressed with Robert Holmes is
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script and said it was sort of quite sort of bit bog-standard
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but and what lifted it was was Graham, Harper's Direction and
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Christopher Gables performs. And I think all the the
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performances as well, John normanton Morris, Reeves and
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Robert glenister, all those people so it can sometimes feel
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like a bit of a All gloss and no substance.
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I think there are so season 20. I think it sort of seemed to be
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I'm running on empty but it was sort of bigger because season 19
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I think was such a big hit and after you know you the ratings
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doubled after you know season 18 getting a really bad pasting
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from Buck Rogers in the 25th Century.
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I think I don't know, it's it's very difficult for me to say
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that, you know, to find the faults in this because it's part
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of my child. A hood.
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So I can't really be as objective about it, as as maybe
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somebody who's watching this who's sort of grown up with a
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new series. I mean occasionally is no style
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and no substance, you know? Well the twins are in dilemma.
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Yeah, but I don't think this is. This does not look like a
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serious that in a year's time is in danger of being canceled.
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No. And I, and let's be honest, the
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only reason it was being threatened with cancellation was
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because the new controller of BBC One hated Doctor Who there
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was no who monetary financial reasons?
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Get rid of it, it was making money.
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It was probably making it a lot more money than it would to, to
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actually pay for it. I think J and T ask for more
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money at the start of this season and was told by whoever
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was the controller, but might been billed cotton or somebody
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like that said, no, no, you've got enough carry on.
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I mean it's really yeah. Okay some of the CSO B where you
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saw the master climbing into the bottom of his console was is a
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little bit archaic. I think just because something
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contemporaneous like Robin of Sherwood was all done on film.
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Where is this is done in this video tape studio.
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So it's going to look not cheap, but there is something about
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something being on film. But then, you could also argue
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some people would argue that Robin of Sherwood might be or
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Blossom. No, substance.
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I don't know, even though it's on film.
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I don't agree with that. I think it's a very good.
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Very good series. I think it's the best Robin Hood
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series. So Robin is a little robot of
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Sherwood Robin of Sherwood, okay?
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Because that robot. I like a lot more than I did
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when I first sorry. Thank you.
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Fraser, that's yeah. So, maybe reappraise it, you
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know, was a phony or thorny subject.
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You know, is does the doctor commit euthanasia in a minute or
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is chameleon committing suicide? Or is it a fact that he's a
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robot? It's all moot.
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Yeah, I was a bit. I think that really
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uncomfortable going to watch the other day in, for the doctor is
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saying to the doctor, I'm no good and then he just is
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decision as to just reduce them in sighs.
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I thought the doctor could have came up with her.
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You could have done anything. He could only be the machine to
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stop in the feelings or anything.
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I don't know what I thought was obviously we know why in real
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life, but yeah, on the screen, it seems like a uncomfortable.
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We hope to me like they know who I think has did.
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The robot asks, I mean, I he's a robot.
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Yeah, sort of semi-sentient. Also, it's been kind of
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telegraphed all the way through that.
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It's not working properly. Yeah.
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Because it keeps flicking backwards and forwards between
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its various iterations. I also do like that that you get
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a bit of the, when the doctor takes the circuit out of the
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Masters told this and Perry says, will that work in yours
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and he just says, oh yes. Very quietly.
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But like, yeah. Okay.
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I don't know. It just seems a bit
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uncomfortable to me, what? Yeah, I think I agree with you.
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Dave, the is effectively a man saying, call me and it just
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shows you how things have changed as well.
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Because you go back to Arkham space Hinchcliffe, wouldn't have
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a scene with a character saying to another character, kill me,
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we get one this year and we get one that's even more dramatic in
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Revelation of the Daleks when Natasha before.
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Yeah. All that easy, that is yeah but
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I think giant he's more though. Well, you know, you'll bring in
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the writings, we make it a big grizzly.
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Is it J. And T, or is Eric's a word?
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Because I As I said earlier on, I wish Chris Rachel did meet had
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stayed a script editor because he understood Peter Davison is
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Doctor. I don't actually think Eric's a
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would like to the doctor. I don't think he knows what to
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do with the doctor which is why I like Colin Baker's that.
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I know he was cast. I think he's wrong in that and I
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think it's a shame that he spent a year, either trying to sort of
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diminish him in terms of, you know, make him unlikable.
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Or so, you know, keeping it away from the plot.
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I mean, revelation of the Daleks.
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The doctor doesn't really do anything.
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It's all seen either both. He's far more interested in
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characters like Litton and Orsini.
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Yeah. Whereas so, I think with Peter
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Davis has doctor, because Peter Davis is Doctor is so nice in
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inverted commas doesn't really, it doesn't really know what to
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do with them. So it's up to writers.
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Like Chris roach big Made, Who Then give Peter Davison the
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material that he really needs and see what really, really
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excels with. See what said and I don't know
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it was very using the Tardis or one of these and a few things
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and he said the doctors were of a sudden, something he said, Tom
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Hardy and speeds obviously, but he says: didn't have it, but he
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also said, he didn't know but either but then he says after
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that might help us certain something because he's a good
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actor. So he's kind of steering.
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I didn't I wouldn't have to customize the doctor right.
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Fuck you, Pete. Yeah, Collins definitely got a
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little something. He's got a load of ham and I
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love it. Yeah, I couldn't sleep after
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Mars, I think, I think Colin ejects so much humor in Colin,
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Colin, Baker and Peter Capaldi are two of the most charismatic,
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Charming actors that you could cast as the doctor but they both
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get cast as a doctor, being a complete ass.
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Yeah. And I just, I just Just it
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baffles me that both of them are such really warm character.
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Actors. And who are, I think Born to
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play the doctor as much as anyone like, you know, as much
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as you know, heart nor log or Pertwee or Tom Baker.
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But Millions no dead. Can you hear that?
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I can hear J&T going. Yeah, that dreary props dead
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already. Well yeah, whose bright idea was
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apparently it worked brilliantly, didn't it?
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And it worked brilliantly at the demonstration but then that was
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it the guy who operated it or the guy who made it was killed
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in a car accident. So then nobody really.
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So I mean, you know, I can understand why J&T I would like
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something like that the novelty of it, but then obviously, it
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doesn't work. This bit is astonishing because
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he comes in, in the space suit and so he's, and he goes, oh my
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God. It, you know, it's Logue our
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representation of God, technically in this society and
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then it's proved to be a sham. And he says, I need sort of
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laughs and says, it's a deception and then he says he
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still believes. Doesn't he still believe?
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Yeah, he went into the fire and he says, no, he's going to care
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for the faithful and I do like that, but he did.
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He's he doesn't sort of turn his back on his faith.
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No. Yeah, I Still Remains quite
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strong. Yeah, here we go.
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But I think the direction this is down because he is committing
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suicide. But yes, it's inferred rather
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than yes. Yeah.
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I don't think I can really show somebody walking into flames.
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Just yeah. But you just six.
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Yeah. We see it with the master in a
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few scenes time. Well, no, he's not.
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That's not walking. He's not walking into the
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Flames. That point is he's not going to
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get on the ship and leave. Hmm.
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Because the planet is going to explode and he's not he's not
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going to lie. So what do we think about the
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master dying? Then in inverted commas.
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Oh God, he said more lives than a cat as I mean we never got
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what was his the story before this?
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It would have been named Kings demons.
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Yeah. So he was men are charged to
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that song was. Yeah.
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So the doctor cause the miniaturization the new because
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he left it consists you Fenian there which is all good because
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it is in the story. The Master that I was playing
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about. With it and well, yeah, this is
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nice. They said he was he was
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experimenting with experimenting with him but I think.
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Yeah, I want to defend my doctor.
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I think he absolutely does have has debts that people don't
22:06
necessarily see because they're expecting it to be bigger and
22:10
all over the screen. Like Tom Brady cause oh yeah
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absolutely does he has These Quiet Moments where he can be
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completely ruthless and this is one of them.
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Yes, I'm going to eat more of her.
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Yeah, he's not going to he isn't killing him but he isn't going
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to save him. I like the salt blazing eye.
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Soft Fury's got on his face and then it goes into the Tardis,
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doesn't it? And he's just like, horrified,
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as well as to what's happened and I don't think you would have
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had a quiet moment like that with Colin all with Tom, it
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would have been a long day. You were born Perry died and
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he's like, and it's a great scene but it's all sort of
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volume isn't it? And drama whereas Davison is
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just he's got, it looks like ghost, he's absolutely shocked
23:05
that the master is Dead. But maybe he's thinking well as
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you. But let's use a fan fiction
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here. How do we think is it ever
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explained in an offer for something?
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How we escaped this time? Is it just the other transport?
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I read somewhere that he was that Pippin.
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Jane had written an explanation, but it wasn't included in time
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and the Rani that I don't mean I can't, I can't remember who it
23:35
was. He was, I saw somebody said that
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on Twitter. I can't remember who it was said
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that. So if they listening, I
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apologize for not naming you but that it had been that somebody
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had read or seeing or knew that there was that they had got that
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bit of back story. But it wasn't it didn't end up
23:53
in the final version. I wonder what Gary Russell's
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written a book somewhere dr. Ryan, she explains, he comes
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back his ass. Give connection with, obviously,
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no explanation of ways as gift waiver.
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But that's another study, the lower.
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Testing up this dressing for the occasion.
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Yeah. A bunch to death.
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Yeah. Do I know it's the second do as
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you tell those leaders the other way to say it now, but I know
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it's a second ago, when the doctor, grab Perry's and put it
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on the console. Those two have just got instant
24:23
chemistry. I don't like, oh, yeah, yeah,
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Talos might, you know, but he says it take care of him, will
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you? He gets into most terrible
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trouble that's one of the best companion.
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Outlines I think? Yes, because it's true.
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Getting is the doctors making it easier for him, isn't it?
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It's like okay, well I'll miss you but you know better to go
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back when you're a bit of a hero, isn't it?
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Yeah. Just like off you go.
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Okay? There's bloody men.
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They can't really see her reaction as you see what way was
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like yours. He said, it's just been a dodgy
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Geezer in the Tardis for a year and a half with didn't quite
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understand Russian English. Way of saying goodbye, shake it.
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Yeah, shake having a bit awkwardly and be Shakes Tegan's
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hand as well. Doesn't give her a hug.
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He shakes her hand. It wasn't allowed to.
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Yeah. It was it allowed for him
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because he was only supposed to put his arms around the motor,
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put an and arm round, the shoulders of mail campaigns.
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He wasn't supposed to Lissa kisses him when she says goodbye
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in Terminus. Yes, yes, true.
25:25
But I think that's that's almost the case.
25:27
That's that's Nyssa kissing the doctor rather than the doctor.
25:30
Yes. And that's and he put his arm
25:36
round Perry a lot. But he made out a story with his
25:40
arm round. Perry I suspect?
25:41
That was what Colin Baker? Yeah.
25:45
He's less of a sort of a young handsome P Davison.
25:48
I think they want I think today it's sort of any attempts any
25:53
year, any attempt to try and make the two of them actually
25:55
likable and to convey to the audience.
25:58
Yeah, we do. We do bitch, a lot of each other
26:01
but we do actually like each other which you know, the script
26:06
edited was determined. To, you know, not have at all.
26:10
Sorry, I feel like I've I've been a bit of a no.
26:14
See, what does just play with but well.
26:17
Yes Byfuglien. Yeah, something's decisions
26:20
really. Oh, you really was and yet he
26:22
could knock out revelational. Daleks like he was under the
26:26
shoulders without. Yeah.
26:28
Oh yeah. It's just Well folks we are have
26:37
reached that time where we now have to find 12 reasons, why God
26:43
let me on fire has to be watched it three apiece and because he
26:47
just said, oh God will start with Dave, he gets a good
26:54
strong, open story and their cooperation is very likable and
27:01
yes she's Does. It Better real, she's not
27:02
getting lost it after. Like happens.
27:04
The other one she's yeah. I think she's really good.
27:08
Lucy. I like the way that it brings it
27:14
into tutor low story in a way that is sort of satisfies the
27:19
parts of his character that why he's the way he is because he's
27:24
basically been on the, he's in Exile but he's also been on the
27:27
run so he doesn't want you. The parts of him that are sort
27:30
of always looking out for him, looking out for himself
27:33
sometimes at the expense of others.
27:35
But he's just, he's afraid and he doesn't want to get, he
27:38
doesn't want to get cool because he's on the Run Daniel.
27:44
I'd say Peter Davison performance is quite thoughtful
27:50
in this one, as you say, David, you know, three years, the
27:56
doctors, finally, get there, get their Mojo and, and then in the
28:00
next door he's off. And it's a shame really that it
28:03
would have been nice to see that, maybe that fourth year,
28:06
how he would have, how that would have developed would have
28:08
been quite interesting to see him in stores at Vengeance on
28:10
various, which is not a story I particularly like I admire it,
28:14
but I don't particularly like, it would have been good to see
28:16
him in that maybe. Yeah, I think he's very good at
28:20
this. And he sort of that as you say,
28:22
that scene where the master dies, it's a completely silent.
28:27
It's all on his face and it's a really good performance.
28:31
I'm just a piece of house score which we haven't been able to
28:35
hear, but I think he's, he is a fine musician in Doctor Who he
28:41
was a great innovation in season eight.
28:43
Team he knocked out one. Brilliant score after another
28:46
and I think this is his second to last.
28:48
I think score. Yeah he does.
28:51
Two doctors are which is another great school but you punch
28:55
weights the action really really well and the more thoughtful
28:58
moments as well such as Tim and offs.
29:04
Exit and Toes exit at the end and do, I I'm gonna make us do
29:08
12, but we'll go around one more time.
29:10
All right here, when God and yeah, I mean, we've had our
29:16
little joke about what character he was in your life, but I
29:19
believe you two are Frankie touch this.
29:21
It's a good performance. He patched it perfectly being
29:25
the man whose taste is. Sorry, faith is tested and In
29:30
any case, he sees the silver man and how you're going to react to
29:32
that, I think you, please read your email.
29:34
I'm I'm so glad that it did play it.
29:37
Not as an old man, and he did change his performance because I
29:40
think if he had played it the way, it is only way to play it.
29:43
I don't think you would have thought the path for say it's
29:45
cool. So yeah, go Peter.
29:49
Let me see. Why do we said everything
29:52
already really? Oh God.
29:59
What time is? It 10:35 and still no, not
30:06
really and it's Monday. yeah, I don't I like I like this.
30:17
I like the setting of it. I know that it's there's a
30:21
danger when you when the Stories, uprooted and plunk
30:28
somewhere in inverted, commas. Exotic that there's a, there's a
30:33
sort of the, the scenery could run away with it and it's like,
30:37
you know, yes, it's all like nice Vistas and volcanoes and
30:41
all excited, but I think actually that it does mesh quite
30:44
well with the bits and they're in the studio.
30:46
I mean, obviously the Studio B are very, obviously in the
30:49
studio and the volcanic, the outside bits are very obviously
30:52
outside, but I like the design be Overall design of it, under
30:57
the control room in the center of the volcano and it is really
31:00
good. Downhill.
31:04
Oh, this is like my one. I was going to say well I'll
31:07
specify the cinematography do that.
31:10
The, the location work that is that John Walker.
31:15
It does look very cinematic and it does.
31:18
There are some very good set pieces and some the way, he
31:21
composes the scenes, where there's one shot where you see
31:27
sort of sort of rubble and rocks in the foreground and right in
31:31
the distance, you've got the doctor into a low, Gives a real
31:34
sort of sense of depth. And also that see the scene in
31:39
part one, where you see the two guys walking across the hill
31:42
with the mountains in the background.
31:46
Yeah, I think Fiona coming was right that she, you know, it was
31:51
good that she had Johnny Walker with her.
31:55
And yeah, very, you know, very strong cinematography for, for
32:03
the, for that period of the show.
32:05
Ya, where a lot of the time sometimes it was just pointing,
32:11
you know, point the camera in that direction impressed.
32:12
And then we'll come on, let's have a cup of tea, probably
32:16
thinking of more than Undead with that, long shot of Tegan
32:19
running towards the, the school. And the camera doesn't even move
32:24
when the camera doesn't need to. that much but it's very well
32:27
done and I think can yeah John will go he was on the
32:31
documentary on the DVD he's very positive about about you know
32:35
the work in he's he's quite proud of it and I think
32:38
justifiably so Finally because this is hamster.
32:43
I do have a poncho on for a red ending, his knickers so let's
32:48
kick it off. Does not forgot that one
32:52
enjoyment at all, which, which plan is going to be?
33:00
Are we attacking next? I was thinking the silver today.
33:05
What was that you said? There's plenty of diets.
33:07
But also for this planet, the day doesn't know.
33:10
What? Well, I reckon we should do
33:15
planet of Giants first. Yes do that.
33:19
Okay, okay. What they got, that was a quick
33:22
quickly of coromant and just so everybody can go to bed.
33:26
I'm going to say thank you very much for your time.
33:29
Everybody its glorious to get you all together.
33:31
Again, will convene for three episodes next time, so we won't
33:35
go to bed a little earlier. Thank you very much, Lucy.
33:39
Thank you. Thank you very much, Dave, thank
33:43
you, Joe. Thanks for having us back.
33:45
Thank you very much, handsome. Dan?
33:48
Thank you very much, handsome. Jay thank you.