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DIDDY SUCKS UP TO JUDGE, DEMANDS CHARGES BE THROWN OUT · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Diddy sucking up to the judge and demanding the charges
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  Speaker 1: me thrown out. This Didty's revenge ahead. The state is
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  Speaker 1: bracing for a Diddy Hollywood style closing argument, and Diddy,
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  Speaker 1: in the last hours throws in the towel, putting up
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  Speaker 1: zero defense witnesses and refusing to take the stand. I'm
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  Speaker 1: itsy grease. This is crime stories. I want to thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us. Ity, bitty ditty cheap skate.
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  Speaker 1: He's ordering up a sex worker like he's ordering a
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  Speaker 1: Pepperoni pizza from Papa John's haggling about the thief for
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  Speaker 1: the sex worker. He even has an unpaid balance his own.
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  Speaker 2: Cheapness is the reason why the FETs have this little
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  Speaker 2: break from trail.
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  Speaker 1: We've gotten our hands on a letter from the US
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  Speaker 1: Department of Justice where the state is now streamlining charges.
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  Speaker 1: I think I know what they're up to. All charges
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  Speaker 1: are still being prosecuted, sex trafficking, RICO, transporting prostitutes to
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  Speaker 1: engage in illegal sex acts. The three original charges remain.
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  Speaker 1: This as a state is streamlining how they're going to
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  Speaker 1: prove those charges as they weighed into closing arguments. Welcome everybody.
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  Speaker 1: We are headed into a verdict watch here at Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: And joining us just outside the courthouse is investigative commentator
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  Speaker 1: Tisa Tails. She's the star of Tisa Tales on YouTube. Tisa,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Tisa. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: did he sucks up to the judge? What did he say?
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  Speaker 2: Did he look like he was trying to stop be
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  Speaker 2: an extra.
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  Speaker 3: In the Green Mile.
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  Speaker 2: We've been watching this man's physicality all for.
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  Speaker 3: The last six weeks. We know the way he talks,
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  Speaker 3: we know the way he cocks his head. Unfortunately, we
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  Speaker 3: know the way he.
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  Speaker 2: Looks when he's aroused, and we also know what he
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  Speaker 2: looks like when he is angry.
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  Speaker 3: He's sat up there when he had to tell the
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  Speaker 3: judge and make the official announcement.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, I'm not going to testify it, okay, And honestly,
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to the Diddy team, I have to.
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  Speaker 3: See it to believe it.
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  Speaker 4: He hopped up, had his arms at the side, acted
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  Speaker 4: like he was an extra.
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  Speaker 3: In the Green Mile and said hello, Hi, your honor,
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  Speaker 3: and he's like, Hi, do you understand what's being sent
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  Speaker 3: to you? Yes? I do, And the judge tried to
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  Speaker 3: move on and he sait a.
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  Speaker 1: Minute taste of Tails, Taste of Tails, Taste of Tales.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on. For some reason, you are completely covered with
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  Speaker 1: photos of Seawan combs laid up on the red carpet. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I want to see Tasa tails and I want to
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  Speaker 1: see Tasta tales. Reenact the whole thing I heard, green mile,
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  Speaker 1: I saw nothing. Okay, start over, let me see the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing.
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  Speaker 4: So did he jumps up right, because for some reason
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  Speaker 4: he thinks shooting up is the best thing to do.
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  Speaker 3: He jumps up. The whole court is like, what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: The jet says Hi, I just want to make sure
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  Speaker 2: that you understand that you are.
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  Speaker 1: Using that to testify.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, how are you doing your honor?
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  Speaker 5: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: I do, And may I just say you're doing an
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  Speaker 2: excellent job.
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  Speaker 3: Then Judge looked at him like, Okay, I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 3: Let's move on.
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  Speaker 2: It was sech an awesome display of arrogance, and it
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  Speaker 2: lets you know, maybe this is how he got to
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  Speaker 2: the top, the fact that in his mind he still
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  Speaker 2: thought he was running things.
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  Speaker 3: And he still thought that he was putting.
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  Speaker 2: A gold star on Judge Aaron's forehead by saying, I
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  Speaker 2: think you're doing an amazing job.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for that buddy again. It was arrogance in
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  Speaker 3: his full display and the way that Diddy is still
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  Speaker 3: trying to cosplay a character out of the Green Mile,
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  Speaker 3: looking almost acting like he.
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  Speaker 6: Doesn't know where he is, and you know, a big
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  Speaker 6: lovable oath that is being falsely convicted again and we
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  Speaker 6: see why Diddy only made it a music and never
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  Speaker 6: made it an acting.
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  Speaker 1: It was. It was a mess.
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  Speaker 3: It was an absolute mess.
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  Speaker 1: Well wait a minute, Wait a minute. There was that
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  Speaker 1: episode in monster Ball where he played let's say, what
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  Speaker 1: a convicted felon behind bars? He was very convincing at that. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: hold on, I gotta go out to Rob Shooter. Rob
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  Speaker 1: Shooter is joining me, star of Naughty but Nice podcast.
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  Speaker 1: He's at robshooter dot substat dot com. I just read
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  Speaker 1: your article. Reread your article in the Hollywood Reporter, but
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  Speaker 1: for my purposes. He was the pr guru for Sean
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  Speaker 1: Combs no longer. Can you just see this playing out
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  Speaker 1: a hate shooter. I don't know if you remember my
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  Speaker 1: old co anchor, Johnny Cochrane. May he rest in peace.
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  Speaker 1: I never agreed with the thing he said, but I
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  Speaker 1: learned a lot from him. He had a way with
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  Speaker 1: people you know he walk into a room. I saw
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  Speaker 1: him do this a million times. He'd take a few
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  Speaker 1: steps into the room and then stop and just wait,
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  Speaker 1: drink me in and guess what he was right? Everybody
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  Speaker 1: loves Cochrane. Okay, he did the same thing with Eto,
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  Speaker 1: Judge Eto during the oj Simpson trial. He'd walk in
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  Speaker 1: and go, your honor, you're looking very well today, your Honor,
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  Speaker 1: very handsome. I like your suit. I mean it went.
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  Speaker 1: We were all like, please stop, but it worked. Po
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  Speaker 1: was totally starstruck. He would do a backflip for Cochrane.
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  Speaker 1: It actually worked. Did it work this time? And have
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  Speaker 1: you ever seen Sean Combs turn on the charm when
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  Speaker 1: he has to?
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  Speaker 7: I have seen nothing but Puff turn on the charm.
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  Speaker 7: That's why he had a career for as long as
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  Speaker 7: he had one. This guy's charming. I've been saying it
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  Speaker 7: all along, and it's very difficult to use that word
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  Speaker 7: when all this awful, awful evidence is being presented. The
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  Speaker 7: Puff that I saw was charming. He was funny, he
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  Speaker 7: was witty. He almost too could pretend to be humble.
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  Speaker 7: It's a shocking thing in celebrity Nancy, but a compliment.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, you know what Sorry, shooter, but I'm not in
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  Speaker 1: the pr world. I'm in the crime world. Don't say
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  Speaker 1: it unless you can prove it, and you got to
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  Speaker 1: prove it with hard evidence. So I want to hear examples.
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  Speaker 1: When did Sean Combs ever put on the humble act?
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  Speaker 1: Because I see him wearing his capes and his dough
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  Speaker 1: ropes and dripping in jewelry. I don't see the humble like.
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  Speaker 1: I've never seen the humble like. Please enlighten me.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, you're not in those rooms. When he wanted
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  Speaker 7: a deal, when he had to go up to Mace's
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  Speaker 7: and Bloomingdale's here in New York and try to get
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  Speaker 7: them to sell his clothing line, he acted pretty humble.
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  Speaker 7: It was not above him to turn up with goodies,
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  Speaker 7: bake goods, flowers, cakes, things to make people feel special,
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  Speaker 7: and it often works. I know we all like to
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  Speaker 7: think that we are above a compliment. I know we
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  Speaker 7: all like to think that when somebody flatters us, we
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  Speaker 7: can see straight through it. Nine times out of ten,
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  Speaker 7: in my experience, we can't. Puffy can be charming. He
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  Speaker 7: knows what he's doing. It's all an act, but it's
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  Speaker 7: an act that he has perfected.
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  Speaker 1: You had me at bait goods. Okay, can I hear
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  Speaker 1: about that? Are you listening to this tist of tales?
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  Speaker 1: I want to hear about the bait goods.
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  Speaker 7: Huff would often send baskets of muffins of bait goods
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  Speaker 7: to people that he wanted to be friends with, people
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  Speaker 7: he wanted to be in business with. When Puffy wanted
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  Speaker 7: his fragrance collection, he desperately wanted his own fragrance. He
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  Speaker 7: got one that was relentless. How he pursued the lord
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  Speaker 7: as he would turn up at their charity events. He
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  Speaker 7: would turn up at their benefits. He would send notes
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  Speaker 7: to them. Puffy was the king of the follower. He
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  Speaker 7: loved sending notes. In the trial, we heard how he
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  Speaker 7: would pick up the phone himself and call people that
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  Speaker 7: he wanted something from. He'd call them my angel, my
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  Speaker 7: best friend, my dear savior. So Puffy plays this game
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  Speaker 7: really well, and he's been playing it for a very
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  Speaker 7: long time.
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  Speaker 1: You know what robs here the encyclopedia. It's amazing. I
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  Speaker 1: have no idea what I'm going to ask you. Guys.
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  Speaker 1: We don't use scripts, we don't have prepared questions. It
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  Speaker 1: all just happens, just like in a trial, and shooter
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  Speaker 1: always has an answer. You know why because he witnessed
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  Speaker 1: this for years. So Tisa tels, I guess that Seaan
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  Speaker 1: comes is like one inch away from handing the judge
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  Speaker 1: a basket of muffins. Tell me again, what did he
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  Speaker 1: say to the judge? Did it work? Oh, dear Lord
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  Speaker 1: and Heaven, go ahead already, I'm braced.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, it did not work at all. Actually we had
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  Speaker 3: to actually laugh and Judge ERNs, I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't know how did he was not humiliated. Judge Aaron's
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  Speaker 2: reaction was like literally he looks for a second like
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  Speaker 2: what is wrong with you? Then he realized the whole
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  Speaker 2: courtroom was looking at him, and then he just said, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate that anyway, moving on. It fell so flat
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  Speaker 2: it even Diddy was even thrown up and may say, you're.
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  Speaker 3: Doing an excellent I think I think you're doing an excellent.
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  Speaker 1: Job, your honor.
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  Speaker 2: What did he expect to happen while he's standing there
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  Speaker 2: looking trying to look like a three year old that
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  Speaker 2: got caught stealing cookies, and the judge looking at him
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  Speaker 2: like what are you up to?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, let's just move on?
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  Speaker 2: And then did he still sitting there, and I swear
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  Speaker 2: you could fill the prosecution just grimacing like, oh why
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  Speaker 2: did he do this?
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  Speaker 3: And he kept on moving after that. He kept saying, yes,
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  Speaker 3: your honor, No, your honor.
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  Speaker 2: I think I do.
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  Speaker 3: Let me ask again.
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  Speaker 2: He tried to reduce himself to the mental capacity of
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  Speaker 2: a three year old, and the whole time the judge
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  Speaker 2: was just looking at him, just so puzzled.
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  Speaker 3: I hear what Rober they're saying. But you know what,
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  Speaker 3: I think this might be the limit of his star power.
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  Speaker 6: I think something about being in a federal corp room
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  Speaker 6: Undernditt that for grand jury.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that little humble, gracious did he act
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  Speaker 2: is working.
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  Speaker 1: Philip D. Bay joining me, veteran trial lawyer out of
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  Speaker 1: the LA jurisdiction. Well, let's both take off our prosecutorial
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  Speaker 1: line defense hats and analyze what's happened. I think the
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  Speaker 1: state did a very wise thing. Okay, charges the three
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  Speaker 1: charges of sex trafficking, reco right and traveling sex workers
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  Speaker 1: across state lines for engaging in prostitution. Those are the
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  Speaker 1: three charges Sean Combs is being tried on RICO. One
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  Speaker 1: of those charges requires predicate acts, which means felonies that
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  Speaker 1: have happened, two of them within ten years. That shows
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  Speaker 1: the criminal enterprise. Do you agree so far? Yes? No? Yes, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: What the state has done they have jettisoned some of
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  Speaker 1: the charges that we're going to be used as predicate acts,
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  Speaker 1: some of the claims they're not the three charges for instance.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why. I think it was a
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  Speaker 1: smart thing, the kid Cutty claim. It's very obvious that
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  Speaker 1: Sean Combs arranged the arson on kid Cutty's car, right,
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  Speaker 1: But we don't have an eyewitness, we don't have fingerprints,
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  Speaker 1: and we don't have DNA, so it's weak. It's obvious
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  Speaker 1: he did it circumstantially, but it's weak. And to go
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  Speaker 1: forward with that would hurt the state. And I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you why, because once you go forward with the claim,
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  Speaker 1: you can't totally prove it taints the rest of your case.
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  Speaker 1: On Capricorn Clark the kidnap, where she says he held
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  Speaker 1: her against her will on two occasions, right, Yes, the
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  Speaker 1: way he held her against his will? Was it in
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  Speaker 1: a car? Was it in a different room. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of people perceived kidnap is throwing you in the back
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  Speaker 1: of a car trunk putting a sack over your head
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  Speaker 1: so you can't see, and taking you to a cleandestine location.
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  Speaker 1: That's not what happened. So if there's a ability problem
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  Speaker 1: with Capricorn Clark, the kidnapping is weak, right, So the
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  Speaker 1: state is now relying on a more streamlined sex trafficking
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  Speaker 1: rico prostitution charge. Now you explain it your way before
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  Speaker 1: we start throwing stones. I see what the state has done.
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  Speaker 1: I get it. Go ahead.
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  Speaker 8: Well, first of all, I think it was brilliant what
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  Speaker 8: they did, because remember, all the predicted acts are defined
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  Speaker 8: under state law. So for example, if there were an
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  Speaker 8: attempted kidnap under California law, for example, they have to
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  Speaker 8: prove that there was a direct but ineffectual act toward
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  Speaker 8: its commission. And you try to explain the definition of
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  Speaker 8: that to twelve moon rocks sitting in the jury box,
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  Speaker 8: they're not going to get it. Not to mention the
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  Speaker 8: fact that it's hard to prove you don't have a
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  Speaker 8: direct or ineffectual act. And likewise, with the arson, there
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  Speaker 8: is zero evidence that Diddy had a hand in that arson.
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  Speaker 8: So what direct but ineffectual act do they have on
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  Speaker 8: his part that he committed an arson? Namely the throwing
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  Speaker 8: of a Molotov cocktail at kid Cutty's car. It's just
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  Speaker 8: not there. So why proceed on something that you cannot prove.
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  Speaker 8: You'll only confuse the jury and they may just throw
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  Speaker 8: their hands up in the air and say, you know what, Feds,
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  Speaker 8: you have overcharged this case. This is just swinging and
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  Speaker 8: swapping consensually.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, now you know what I think they should
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  Speaker 1: have done. Of course, it's so easy when you're Monday
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  Speaker 1: morning quarterbacking. They should not have included those as predicate
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  Speaker 1: acts to start with, right, because I was a fed
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  Speaker 1: three years for one case, debay one case. I would
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  Speaker 1: have rooms full of boxes full of documents, all right,
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  Speaker 1: so they knew what the evidence was. And it always
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  Speaker 1: makes you look weak when you back off of something.
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  Speaker 1: Backing off of these is the smart thing to do
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  Speaker 1: because it tanks the rest of the case. But I
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  Speaker 1: wish they had included it to start with. Here's another
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  Speaker 1: thing for you to think about. Because it was part
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  Speaker 1: of the original case, it cannot be claimed now that
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  Speaker 1: it was character evidence, see what I mean. So all
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  Speaker 1: that has come in the arson, the kidnap, and more
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  Speaker 1: bad acts see under other circumstances, that would not have
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  Speaker 1: been allowed. You see what I'm saying here. So actually
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  Speaker 1: the state has gotten this evidence in legally. Now they're going, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we're backing off these charges, but they've already gotten the
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  Speaker 1: damning evidence in. I may be going to deafcom four
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  Speaker 1: in the law here, but this could actually help the state.
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  Speaker 1: Do you see where I'm going with this. They've got
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  Speaker 1: that bad character evidence in legally because it was part
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  Speaker 1: of the predicate acts, but now it's been jettisoned. But
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  Speaker 1: they've already gotten the damning evidence in. See what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: They got their cake, and they ate it too.
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  Speaker 8: Of course, so now the defense is going to be
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  Speaker 8: entitled to with jury instruction that they're only to receive
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  Speaker 8: that those prior predicate acts not for their truth.
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  Speaker 1: Would really seriously a jury instruction on that. If I
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  Speaker 1: were the defense, I wouldn't touch that jury instruction with
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  Speaker 1: a ten foot pole. And I'll tell you why. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you go on and do that and remind the jury, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: you know all that stuff about kid Cuddies Arson his
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  Speaker 1: car being bombed, that doesn't count. Don't listen to that.
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  Speaker 1: Forget you ever heard it? All that stuff about Arson,
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  Speaker 1: all the other state charges. Forget you ever heard it?
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  Speaker 1: It's re ringing the bell, it's reminding the jury about
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  Speaker 1: what happened, and they're like, why don't they want us
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  Speaker 1: to remember that? Okay? Hold on, Tisa tells, joining us
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  Speaker 1: from outside the courthouse, Tisa, I want to hear also
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  Speaker 1: about Sean Combs is it's the quickest case ever for
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  Speaker 1: the defense, and it gave Sean Combs a chance to
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  Speaker 1: stand up in court and speak without taking the stand.
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  Speaker 1: It's called elocution. Was the jury there when he said
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  Speaker 1: I'm not taking the stand.
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  Speaker 2: The jury unfortunately missed his with three mile two performance.
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  Speaker 3: The only people in the room or his adoring public.
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  Speaker 2: In his mind, the judge who's his number one fin
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  Speaker 2: and of course his ever present defense counsel.
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  Speaker 3: So thankfully the jury was spared seeing that performance.
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  Speaker 1: He wants free clothing, free tickets to Fashion Week, free everything,
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  Speaker 1: reduced prices for illegal sex workers, which hello, is illegal.
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  Speaker 1: Yet there he is all laid up in a luxury
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  Speaker 1: suv wearing two huge diamond earrings. Let me tell you
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  Speaker 1: that ain't Qubi Zarconia trying to cut a deal. It's
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  Speaker 1: like trying to bargain with a hooker. Excuse me, sex
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  Speaker 1: worker Rob Shooter. He wanted to get reduced prices from
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  Speaker 1: sex workers. Did I just hear that?
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  Speaker 5: Man?
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  Speaker 1: He's a millionaire and he's haggling over the price of
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  Speaker 1: a cowboy from Cowboys and Angels.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, we spoke about it on your show before anybody did.
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  Speaker 5: Did.
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  Speaker 7: He was incredibly cheap. He didn't want to pay for anything.
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  Speaker 7: He didn't want to pay for dinners, he didn't want
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  Speaker 7: to pay for tickets when he went to concerts. He
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  Speaker 7: didn't want to pay for clothing. He wanted everything for free.
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  Speaker 7: So I'm not at aol surprise here. But he's even
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  Speaker 7: haggling trying to get down the price of a sex worker.
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  Speaker 7: This is who he is. He ain't going to change.
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  Speaker 7: His money is for him, not for anybody else. He
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  Speaker 7: holds on to it.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: Tisa Tel's joining us outside the courthouse. She's a story
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  Speaker 1: of Tisa Tales on YouTube. Investigator and commentator, Tisa, you've
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  Speaker 1: been in the courtroom. I want to hear about the
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Google the Eyes Part two.
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  Speaker 2: As the defense was putting on their ten minute case
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  Speaker 2: where they were basically reading text messages, he was looking
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  Speaker 2: over trying to.
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  Speaker 3: Act like he was looking at what's Moorland.
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  Speaker 9: But he was looking over with this puppy dog slash
• 18:06
  Speaker 9: innocent past Google look on, this googly eye look on
• 18:10
  Speaker 9: his face that literally just had him look over and
• 18:15
  Speaker 9: the jury was just looking back.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: Now here's the thing. The jury has completely changed from
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: They were not making eye contact with them at all,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: which maybe.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Jura six leaving life in the best moment. It had
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: a chilling effect on the jury. But the second thing
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: that happened where the googly.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Eyes really hit, is they're trying to ignore the pound
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: puppy eyes and then all of a sudden, out the blue,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: the defenses we rest our case. Half of the jury
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: had their eyes glazed over from reading their text messages.
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: The other half had a look of shock, and it
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: literally looked took ten seconds for the hit, like wait,
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: what what did they say?
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: The jury was absolutely shocked, and it was a nice
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: thing to say. I think in that moment did He's
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: team probably really questioned.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Whether they did the right not having any witnesses on
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: the stand.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: I want to get back to first of all, I
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: got to talk about everything that you just said because
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: I need to analyze it. I want you to act
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: out the google the eyes. When were the google the eyes?
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: And I'm very concerned that first the jurors won't look
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: at Combs, and now they are looking at him. That's
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: bad for the state. For them to be making a
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: lot of eye contact with the defendant. That's not good
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: unless it's a disgusted look. So first of all, tell
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: me about the google the eyes and please act it out.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: The google the eyes. He sat there. He did that again.
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: He's acting the green mile too, softened his shoulders, almost
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: like he wanted to melt.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Looked up. Ward's looking at his defensive attorney, saying, mommy,
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: what's going on.
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: What's going on is you are the devil and you're
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: being held accountable.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: He looked over at the jury, kind of wanted to
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: have a hangdog expression and was looking at the corner
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: of his eyes. Of course, he had to be very
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: calculating about it because he's not allowed to look directly
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: at the jury. He was looking at his defense attorneys.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: It happened to be at a sharp right right by
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: the jury, and.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: We're just sitting there looking over looking confused, as if
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: he wasn't the reason and we just didn't have to
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: sit through a combined amount of what felt like forty
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: minutes of freak all tapes.
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: For it literally combined over the last week, it was
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: forty minutes of hardcore Triple X freak all tapes.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: And now he's sitting there in that yellow sweater just
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: looking so confused. It was so baffling.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: But again I will say one thing, that man has
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: no shame at all, and if he could take an inch,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: he did it. Again, the jury was not looking at him.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: They were looking straight. They were some jurys were looking
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: at the wall, some were looking at the judge. Some
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: people were looking at Esteban. I think she was standing
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: up and talking. But again, it was a mixed bag.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: When they said the defense rest jury faces the people
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: that were flitting.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: I got to addressed the good the eyes first, then
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I'm going to get to the jars going what okay,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: when did the google the eyes happen? When did that happen?
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: The googly eyes happened? As they stood.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Up and mounted their ten minute defense, when they started
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: reading text messages, I think it was seven to ten minutes.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: They started reading random text messages.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: You know, and everybody thought it was his business as usual.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: All of a sudden, you saw his shoulders slump.
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: He saw him start to look over at his defense team, who,
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: by the way, the person reading the messages was one
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: rope up.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: So you're looking the wrong way, sir.
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: What's just the first indication that here we go and
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: saying action?
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: He slumped, He looked over, he looked over, he looked confused,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: and then he decided to swing his googly eyes to
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: his immediate right and the direct line of jury to
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: its defense attorney looking over there. Again, it was a
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: sight to see. It was pathetic, but hey, if your
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: life's on the line, desperate times call for desperate measures.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Shooter, I told you this was going to happen when
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: it comes right down to it. And the same thing
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: happened with Scott Peterson. To say, it always happens when
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: the defendant is not gonna take the stand. They make
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: a big show like they're holding me back. I want
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: to I really want to tell the truth. But in
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: this case, he was doing the look in front of
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: the jury. I mean, really, this is the guy I
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: just saw beat thee. I gave up cursing when I
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: had the twins the craft out of Cassie Ventura, the
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: fat lip, the eye, plastic surgery, the bruises. Hey, you
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: know what control? Can you pull up? That picture's way
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: back and of the bruises on her side, that's right
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: over her kidney for Pete's sake, covered in bruises, and
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: he's doing the puppy dog look at the jury. You
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: know what, saving comes.
• 22:59
  Speaker 7: I think he's making a really smart move, Nancy, and
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: I fear it's going to work. I've seen it work.
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: I've seen this happen many many times, not just with Puffy,
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: but with other celebrities that are on trial. We've got
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: to remember celebrities really really powerful. Maybe not to the experts,
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: the people that we speak to for people on a jury.
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: People in the world go nuts for celebrities. I've worked
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: for a lot of celebrities, but not even that talented.
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: But they're stars. They know how to get us to
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: buy what they're selling. And that's what Diddy is doing today.
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: He's selling his freedom as if it is a fragrance.
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: He is out there promoting it, and I predict Nancy,
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: it's going to work.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: You know what I is an uplifting note from rab Shooter. Okay,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: back to Teasa tails Tisa, you told me about the
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: google the eyes. Now I want to hear when did
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: the jury start making eye contact and what kind of
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: eye contact. Is it discussed eye contact or is it, oh, no,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: you're not going to jail comes contact.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: So the out contact was like, wait, did we just
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: hear that? And the jury's defense they weren't even though
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Diddy was trying to make that connection. The moment was this,
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: when Ditty was doing the googly eyes, the jury was
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: looking left, right, up down.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: They were determined not to give any type of eye
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: contact or even acknowledge. Then all of a sudden, after
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: seven minutes of boring text messages, which for the last
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: three days has been business as usual, they finally said
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: the defense rests the people that have been the jurors
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: that have been paying attention.
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: Was like what And they looked over very surprised, like
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: what did we hear?
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: And they looked over in Diddy's direction and to his
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: defensing direction. And then seven to ten seconds later, the
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: other jurors and I guess it had been, you know,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: going over their grocery lists in their mind, were all
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: of a sudden in real life that something had happened,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: and they were looking over.
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: Everybody was looking over at the defense table in like
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: very much either shock or we couldn't have heard this
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: break wasn't until the judge said, okay, well thanks.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: So much, we'll see you tomorrow that they literally got
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: up and just very still didn't believe what was happening,
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: walked out of the room, very very confused, and in
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: that moment, I can't just help a chuckle to myself
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: and wonder did the defense regret at that moment or
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: at least rethink maybe.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: We should have put on a few witnesses and maybe
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: this isn't going to play out the way they thought
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: it was.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Sean comes with a rolex on I think that's what
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: that is. I don't think it's a fake in the
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: backseat of a luxury suv wearing diamond earrings and a
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: dope rope.
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: This man knows what top shelf quality is.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: He's showing off his orthodontics too.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, he just opens his mouth ever so
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: slightly so you can see all those beautiful veneers, the
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: defense rest and the jury looking confused and perplexed when
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: that was announced in open court. This, as we learned
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: the state is stream lining its case. In order to rico,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: you have to have underlying felon these predicate acts. The
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: state is no longer trying to go forward on ourson.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: They're no longer trying to use kidnapping. They think the
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: evidence was weak on those two and they're right, Am
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I convinced, Yeah, I think you did it, but it
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: was weak. So they're throwing it overboard with me an
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: all star panel to make sense of what we're learning now.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Straight out to doctor Chloe Carmichael joining us and renowned
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: clinical psychologist, author of Nervous Energy Harness The Power of
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Your Anxiety. Doctor Chloe, thank you for being with us.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I've got to hear your take on Sean Combe's homemade
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: muffins and google the eyes in front of the jury. Yeah,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I know, Nancy, it's unbelievable, right.
• 26:52
  Speaker 10: I was thinking about what you shared earlier about how
• 26:55
  Speaker 10: Johnny Cochrane would you walk in and maybe compliment the
• 26:58
  Speaker 10: judge similar to the that Shawn Combs did, and it
• 27:02
  Speaker 10: worked for Johnny Cochrane. However, of course, the big difference
• 27:05
  Speaker 10: is that Johnny Cochrane wasn't entering the courtroom as an
• 27:08
  Speaker 10: accused criminal. And I thought it was a great example
• 27:13
  Speaker 10: of Diddy Combes's just grandiosity there that even in that moment,
• 27:18
  Speaker 10: he thought he could charm the judge. Now, abusers are
• 27:22
  Speaker 10: often very good at pouring on the charm and about
• 27:25
  Speaker 10: the googly eyes and whatnot. You know, when an abuser
• 27:28
  Speaker 10: has done something wrong, he's usually very good at, you know,
• 27:31
  Speaker 10: putting his tail between his legs and acting so sorry.
• 27:34
  Speaker 10: And that's probably worked very well for Shaan Combs in
• 27:37
  Speaker 10: the past. But the fact that he would attempt that again,
• 27:40
  Speaker 10: even complimenting the judge, that he wouldn't realize that that's
• 27:43
  Speaker 10: an off note. I think it really suggests that there's
• 27:47
  Speaker 10: a level of desperation there that he's feeling. Because we're
• 27:51
  Speaker 10: I think we're looking at someone that's really an extreme narcissist.
• 27:56
  Speaker 10: I mean, even as you mentioned earlier that he was
• 27:58
  Speaker 10: trying to haggle about the price the sex workers and
• 28:01
  Speaker 10: things like that, I think that there's an element of
• 28:04
  Speaker 10: grandiosity where he probably frankly in his mind, thought that
• 28:08
  Speaker 10: they should be paying to be in his presence for
• 28:11
  Speaker 10: that type of interaction. Believe it or not, I think
• 28:14
  Speaker 10: we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg of the
• 28:16
  Speaker 10: narcissism here.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Also joining us in addition to doctor Chloe Carmichael is
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Danny Pinter joining us out of DC. She is a
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: senior VP and director of the Law Center at the
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: National Center for on Sex Exploitation. Danny, thank you for
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: being with us. I was forcing tastes of tales to
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: act out what she saw in court. There are no
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: cameras in federal courtrooms, and I can just see Sean
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Colmes making the puppy dog eyes, the Google de eyes
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: at the jury, acting all confused, like where am I?
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: How did I get here? Will it be hard for
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: jurors to reconcile what they're seeing in the courtroom with
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: the Cassie Ventura beat down tape? Thank Heaven that tape survived,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: and it almost didn't, or no one would believe it
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: if they bought into Combs's Oscar winning performance in the courtroom.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Exactly, Nancy.
• 29:17
  Speaker 11: This is going to be the litmus test of will
• 29:21
  Speaker 11: to jury understand what sex trafficking is under the law
• 29:24
  Speaker 11: as opposed to the Hollywood definition.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: That's the hallmark of this case.
• 29:29
  Speaker 11: I mean by the defensive lack of putting on a
• 29:33
  Speaker 11: case at all, it says to me that this isn't
• 29:35
  Speaker 11: even a.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Trial of did did he do it? It's just a
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: trial of was it a crime? Will he be held accountable?
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Well, what do you make the duality of his persona
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: in court versus what we know to be true? We
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: saw what we're going to believe him or our lion
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: eyes on that front on the Intercontinental Beatdown video.
• 29:55
  Speaker 11: Well, I hope his behavior in the courtroom actually is
• 29:58
  Speaker 11: helpful in the execution's case because their case is a
• 30:03
  Speaker 11: case of violence together with these close personal relationships, right
• 30:08
  Speaker 11: and the whole defense was reading text messages of Ditty
• 30:12
  Speaker 11: and the women being lovey dove do each other. But
• 30:14
  Speaker 11: then we saw with our own eyes how violent and
• 30:17
  Speaker 11: scary he can be. So I hope that the jury
• 30:20
  Speaker 11: is now having to contend that with themselves.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Like we saw. We see Combs.
• 30:24
  Speaker 11: Trying to manipulate us right now, but we saw how
• 30:26
  Speaker 11: violent he could be with our own eyes.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Also joining us at the courthouse is Lauren Colin star
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: a Pop Crime TV. Lauren, Thank you for being with us.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I understand that bribery was brought up. The defense demanded
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: summary judgment, which is that that can't be thrown out
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: in front of the judge. The judge didn't go along
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: with it. Tell me about their argument regarding bribery.
• 30:54
  Speaker 12: In terms of the bribery, they stated that nobody or
• 30:58
  Speaker 12: the witnesses the test of about the bribery. This didn't
• 31:02
  Speaker 12: meet the burden because they were not going to law
• 31:06
  Speaker 12: enforcement with evidence. Sean Colmes did not prevent them or
• 31:10
  Speaker 12: threaten them or bribe them from going to law enforcement.
• 31:15
  Speaker 12: He only bribed them or he only paid them this money.
• 31:19
  Speaker 12: They didn't say bribe, I said bribe, but they were
• 31:21
  Speaker 12: only paid this money because of the fact that he
• 31:25
  Speaker 12: was scared of reputational damage.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner, joining US investigative reporter from Crime Story. Sidney,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: the evidence regarding bribery was overwhelming. Of course, his state's
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: not throwing out that predicate at the underlying felony of bribery.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: That was very strong evidence.
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: Recap absolutely man see when we saw it multiple times,
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: especially in relation to that Intercontinental Hotel video. So first,
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: when the security guard first intervened because Cassie called for
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: help on that hotel phone, Colmes tried to bribe that
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: security guard to walk away and pretend he didn't see anything,
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: so tried to hand him a five inch stack of cash.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: Then we saw paying for the actual security tape itself,
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: and come on. Obviously those security guards understood that they
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: shouldn't take this to law enforcement. And further, yes, it
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: was said, hey, just let me know if law enforcement
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: contacts you, it's okay, tell them the truth. But it
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: was definitely implied that he did not want the security
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: guards to push this any further. And not only did
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: he pay off those security guards, he doubled the money
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: that they asked for. They initially just asked for fifty K.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: He gave them a one hundred k as patting, So
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: it wasn't he had no qualms about paying somebody off
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: to stay quiet.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons is joining us Director Operations USPA nation Wide Security,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: leading a team of investigators that were really globally Brian
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: has Gibbons bribery. It's you don't see it a lot
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: because typically people are smart enough not to have witnesses.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: But in this case, there is a trail a mile
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: wide about the bribery.
• 33:22
  Speaker 13: Yeah, and bribery, as you know, is very hard to
• 33:26
  Speaker 13: prove right. Typically this is a one to one transaction,
• 33:30
  Speaker 13: no witnesses, very difficult to have a paper trail on.
• 33:36
  Speaker 13: But I think what you're going to see here, Nancy.
• 33:38
  Speaker 13: You know, if they remove that bribery, they remove the
• 33:42
  Speaker 13: some of these other charges. What the judge instructs the
• 33:45
  Speaker 13: jury is going to be so important here. You know,
• 33:49
  Speaker 13: a past consensual act doesn't mean that Diddy could have
• 33:53
  Speaker 13: coerced somebody into sex labor. A past transaction doesn't mean
• 33:58
  Speaker 13: that he could have then push forced labor on one
• 34:02
  Speaker 13: of these folks.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: That were witnesses.
• 34:04
  Speaker 13: So the judge's instructions to the jury on these other
• 34:09
  Speaker 13: charges that the prosecution feels like they have more probative
• 34:13
  Speaker 13: evidence for are going to be very important here.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. This state is now focusing on those
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: predicate acts, the underlying felonies that show Rico. They're relying
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: on the strongest ones and getting rid of the weakest ones.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: And speaking of bribery, does the name Flores ring a
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: bell to anybody? He took a stand in under oath
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: He described show Comb's offering him hundreds of thousands of
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: dollars Listen.
• 34:40
  Speaker 14: Flores tells the court Ventura said she wanted to get
• 34:42
  Speaker 14: her bag and leave, but before he could escort her
• 34:45
  Speaker 14: to their room, Combs stopped him, displaying a stack of
• 34:48
  Speaker 14: one hundred dollars bills that was four or five inches deep.
• 34:51
  Speaker 14: Flores says he interpreted the offer as a bribe to
• 34:53
  Speaker 14: forget what he saw. Flores declines Combs's money and escorts
• 34:58
  Speaker 14: the couple back to the room.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: So there's and there is also Eddie Garcia. Eddie Garcia
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: is the guard who was offered one hundred thousand dollars.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Flores is the one that helped Cassie get out, but
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: before he could go, Shawancom's flashed a stack of money
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: at him. Listen to this. Also, we've got Christina Korum
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: in on the bribery. There's no way out of the
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: bribery because it's even in texts thanks to Christina Korum. Listen.
• 35:31
  Speaker 15: Christina Korum keeps in touch with several staff members in
• 35:34
  Speaker 15: the hours after the attack, including security guard d Rock
• 35:37
  Speaker 15: and assistant Eli Maroon. Quorum keeps d Rock updated on
• 35:42
  Speaker 15: Comb's location and checks in on Maroon's progress getting the
• 35:45
  Speaker 15: footage from security. When Maroon tells Korum they aren't playing nice,
• 35:50
  Speaker 15: Quorum steps in herself to speak with Eddie Garcia. A
• 35:54
  Speaker 15: photo of Garcia's driver's license on Korum's phone, and call
• 35:58
  Speaker 15: records between Quorum, Garcia and Colms corroborates Garcia's testimony about
• 36:03
  Speaker 15: handing the footage over to Colmbs in exchange for one
• 36:07
  Speaker 15: hundred thousand dollars.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: So again, as Sidney Sumner reminds us all jogging our memory,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: refreshing our recollection, Combs doubled his offer. So you know what,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: when you think about it at Dobay there, it's like
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: sharks smelling blood. The media is going crazy claiming the
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: state is dropping charges. What they're doing is refining their case.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: They're getting rid of predicated acts Arson, and they're getting
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: rid of the predicate act of kidnapping on Capricorn Clark,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: and they're honing in on bribery. And here you've got
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Christina Korum making phone calls to make sure that all
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: of the Intercontinental video was gone. Little did they know
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: that there was a surreptitious bootleg copy. But I see
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: what the state is doing because the bribery charge is
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: really strong. Toby, I don't know that.
• 37:04
  Speaker 8: I agree to be honest with you. And again it
• 37:06
  Speaker 8: goes back to what I said earlier about the definition
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  Speaker 8: of state law out here in California. They have to
• 37:11
  Speaker 8: prove bribery under California law, and basically what they have
• 37:15
  Speaker 8: to show is that people are being paid off to
• 37:18
  Speaker 8: kind of modify the content of their testimony versus appearing
• 37:22
  Speaker 8: in court at all. And if you don't have that,
• 37:24
  Speaker 8: you don't have a bribery. So in theory, if I
• 37:27
  Speaker 8: come up to you and I offer you money not
• 37:29
  Speaker 8: to publish something that is not bribery, it's an act
• 37:32
  Speaker 8: to spare or save my reputation, particularly in the R
• 37:35
  Speaker 8: and B.
• 37:36
  Speaker 7: WoT wants music.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Because I don't know what you're saying, all right, okay, yeah,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: but not that that was a non responsive door chlobe Carmichael,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: did you just hear all that legal mumbo jumbo bottom line?
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Shaw Comes four times correct me if I'm wrong, sending
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars to get rid of the Intercontinental
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: video of the beatdown, right, one hundred grand and then
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: hack christinacorum, follow up and follow up and follow up,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: just like you heard Rob Sheeter talking that Shawn Comes
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: is the king of follow up, even calling one of
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: these guards my angel for getting rid of the damning evidence.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what dubates talking about Look, I admit,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: according to some sources, according to some court watchers, the
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: kidnap charge was weak and the arson charge was weak,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: the bribery charge is not weak. And to be a
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: good trial lawyer, and just like a good psychologist, doctor Chloe,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: you have to make a hard assessment at what you're
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: looking at before you can use it. If I got
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: a week arson and a week kidnapping, to hang with it,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to hone in on what's really strong.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: The bribery is strong, They're going to have to have
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: two pread kind acts to Shoreco. But the bribery is
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: really strong. So all that legal mambo jumbo, you think
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: the jury is going to understand anything.
• 39:14
  Speaker 10: Dubay just said, well, I do agree, Nancy that if
• 39:17
  Speaker 10: we wanted to get Toba's point across, we'd probably have
• 39:20
  Speaker 10: to learn how to tighten it up a little bit.
• 39:22
  Speaker 10: But I do see the point that how do we
• 39:25
  Speaker 10: necessarily know that that was bribery as opposed to you know,
• 39:30
  Speaker 10: just I want that footage and I'm going to pay
• 39:34
  Speaker 10: you to give it me. Do we know for sure
• 39:37
  Speaker 10: that that in itself represents a criminal act of bribery?
• 39:41
  Speaker 10: I think we'd have to ask somebody like Dubai if
• 39:43
  Speaker 10: you could just tell us in simpler words, maybe.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, hell, don't let me clarify for doctor Chloe. Wait,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: thanks are as a matter of fact, I'm going to
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: rely on Sydney Sumner. Sydney, could you explain the bribery fact?
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: Well, Nancy again, so tried to hand Israel Flora is
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: a stack of cash to just walk away and pretend
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: Cassie Ventura didn't call for help.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Israel Floras refused.
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: He needed to do his job, and days later, when
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: Combs becomes aware of the fact that their security footage
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: capturing that entire beating on camera, he immediately sends his
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: staff into action to try and obtain the security footage.
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: And yes, it is to protect his reputation, but it
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: was clearly implied that he wanted to make sure this
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: did not go to law enforcement, and he expected that
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: the hotel staff would then delete all of this information.
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: So not only did he want the video footage in
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: his possession, he made sure that that security incident was
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: deleted permanently and never made it to anyone else's eyes.
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: And this went all the way up to hotel management.
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: So a security guard, Eddie Garcia told him no multiple times.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: Eventually went to his manager and said, hey, this is
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: what's going on. I need your advice. The manager throughout
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: that fifty K number and Comb's staff immediately hopped on
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: it and made sure that was taken care of us.
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: And Comb doubled that money and he gave one hundred
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: K for Israel Flores. He expected Eddie Garcia to go
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: back to the security guard that intervened and pay him
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: off as well, so that Israel Flora didn't come back
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: out of the woodworks. And Israel Flores is actually the
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: only guard that didn't receive any cuts whatsoever. The manager
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: took more than the fifty K. Eddie Garcia took a
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: cut for himself, and he paid off the other guard
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: that was on staff with him when all of this
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: went down, so Israel Flores never saw a cent of
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: that bribery money.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: As we head into a verdict, watch here at crime Stories,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: we stop and remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Teresa
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: King Wyandot County Sheriff's Office, just forty four, shot in
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: the line of duty after thirteen years in law enforcement,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: leaving behind three children. Austin Bailly and Rich American hero
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Deputy Sheriff Teresa King, Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,