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Wired To Hunt Podcast #187: Rut Radio 11/29/17 · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm
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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This is episode number one seven
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Speaker 1: and Tay in the show, we've got another edition of
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Speaker 1: RUT Radio in which we're getting real time from the
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Speaker 1: field reports on deer and running activity from across the
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Speaker 1: country and the tactics that you can be applying to
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Speaker 1: your own hunts right now. All right, welcome to the
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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt podcast. And we were back with another
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Speaker 1: episode of radio. And as you can tell, I'm back
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Speaker 1: in my mobile recording studio, which means no studio at all.
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Speaker 1: I'm in a hotel room in Seattle, Washington at the
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Speaker 1: moment um. But Spencer thankfully is keeping things locked down
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Speaker 1: over in the Midwest still and uh, you're gonna make
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Speaker 1: sure we've got a good episode here, not me to
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Speaker 1: talk on myself and all day. Right, that's right. Uh,
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Speaker 1: but you have not been haunting in a while, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean that has to feel significantly different than what
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Speaker 1: the first twenty days of your November was like. Oh yeah, um,
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Speaker 1: it's been a new to take you know, I was
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Speaker 1: planning on taking some are and are here during this
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Speaker 1: time period, and then a few other things came up
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Speaker 1: that causing me take a little bit more time off
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Speaker 1: than I originally planned. But that's been good at News.
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Speaker 1: Needed to take care of some things in the real
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Speaker 1: world and kinda get myself back up and ready after that. Marison,
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Speaker 1: So I haven't heard in the last nine days, I
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Speaker 1: don't think, Um, but I'll be. I'll be starting again
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Speaker 1: tomorrow and then hitting the herd throughout the next you know,
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Speaker 1: a month or so, the final month or so the
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Speaker 1: season Michigan and Ohio. Um so, so would that be
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Speaker 1: in the case, though, Spencer, I, I'm gonna be selfishly
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Speaker 1: selfishly uh selfishly, Yeah, I'm saying the word right struggling today, Spencer. Um,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be more interested than usual in hearing about
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Speaker 1: what everyone else is seeing, um, because I haven't been
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Speaker 1: hunting so long that I need this intel now. So
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Speaker 1: I think, you know, if you're new to the show
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Speaker 1: and you're listening right now and you haven't turned off
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Speaker 1: the podcast yet, since I stumble on that word so badly,
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Speaker 1: if you're still listening, the point of these RUT Radio
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Speaker 1: episodes if you're not familiar, is to get you up
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Speaker 1: to speed on what's happening across the white tail world
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Speaker 1: this week. So we check in with a handful of
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Speaker 1: hunters small across the country from different states to find
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Speaker 1: out what kind of running activity are they seeing, what
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Speaker 1: kind of dear behavior are they seeing, what kind of
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Speaker 1: tactics are working? Um, and that's our game plan for today.
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Speaker 1: Uh um, have you been? Have you been up? Spencer?
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Speaker 1: Do you have anything to contribute to this one? I
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Speaker 1: do not besides just what I've heard from our contacts
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Speaker 1: this week and those being Bomartonic from Pennsylvania in the
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Speaker 1: journal Mountain Hunting. Did we go to Illinois from bow
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Speaker 1: Hunting dot Com is Justin's oar And then in Wyoming
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Speaker 1: we talked to Mark Kaiser with North American white Tail
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Speaker 1: and then we talked to Dustin Lott in Kansas from
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Speaker 1: Rock House Motion and so there has been success though.
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Speaker 1: In this week's episode, both Justin and Dustin tagged out
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Speaker 1: on some really good deer, Dustin in particular a buck
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Speaker 1: that went over two hundred inches. So that's our our
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Speaker 1: last interview and a really fun one to hear. But
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Speaker 1: there's kind of an agreement this week among our four
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Speaker 1: contacts individually, they don't talk to each other and know
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Speaker 1: what the other ones are gonna say, but they all
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Speaker 1: kind of feel that we've hit this, uh, sort of
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Speaker 1: awkward transition where the best running is behind us. You know,
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Speaker 1: you're not going to find that midday movement. Um. You know,
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Speaker 1: the signmaking is slower now and has been over the
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Speaker 1: last month, and we're not quite to that point though
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Speaker 1: of where you know, all the deer heard it up
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Speaker 1: and they're just focused on food sources. So this is
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Speaker 1: kind of a tweener time right now. Um. You'll hear
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Speaker 1: some different numbers for what people think it's going to
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Speaker 1: be on a scale of one to ten. But for
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Speaker 1: the most part, a lot of guys are looking beyond
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Speaker 1: the next seven days and you know, focusing on when
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Speaker 1: the deer are going to be looking back to get
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Speaker 1: on some food sources and the weather pushes them there. Man,
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Speaker 1: it's crazy talking about this, um and realizing that, you know,
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Speaker 1: November is pretty much gone. You know it's done, it's
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Speaker 1: got you know, we look forward to all year and
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Speaker 1: then I feel like it's just here and gone in
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Speaker 1: a snap of the fingers, don't you think yeah, And
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Speaker 1: and the strange part has been that the weather doesn't
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Speaker 1: feel like that at least for you know where I'm
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Speaker 1: at in the Midwest and in southeastern South Dakota. We
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Speaker 1: had some record highs over Thanksgiving and stuff, and normally
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Speaker 1: we're dealing with like a foot of snow on the ground.
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Speaker 1: So that's another reason why this early December period. Um,
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Speaker 1: A lot of guys aren't too optimistic right now that
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Speaker 1: we've been talking to you, because you know, the deer
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Speaker 1: are not forced to to get on those food plots
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Speaker 1: early and and uh, you know they don't have to.
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Speaker 1: They can still hit some acorns and some other oddball
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Speaker 1: food sources and things like that, so it won't be
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Speaker 1: your normal early December. But like I said, beyond that,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of optimism. Well, I'm interested to hear
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Speaker 1: the reports, um, since I said I need that help myself,
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Speaker 1: So I think I'll stop rambling and uh and let
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Speaker 1: you take it from here. Is there anything else sponsor
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Speaker 1: we need to cover before we get to ours. I
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Speaker 1: don't think so, Mark. We're just waiting for some closure
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Speaker 1: on Holy Field, so get get that done. I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: do my best. I will, hopefully know here in the
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Speaker 1: next couple of days whether the story continues or not.
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Speaker 1: And then, Uh, I've got a serious plans for the
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Speaker 1: next months to get after so to be continued. All right,
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Speaker 1: we'll talk to you next week. Mark, thanks bunch. Before
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Speaker 1: day of the hunt. We laid our eyes on this dear.
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Speaker 1: UH couldn't even get into check the trail cameras because
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Speaker 1: the wind were wrong. But it was the third sighting
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Speaker 1: that we really realized that this was our shooter. So
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Speaker 1: we had a big front coming in that afternoon. Decided
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Speaker 1: hung it up, saw them that the weather supposed to
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Speaker 1: the line. First out of Pennsylvania is Bowl Martonic, you,
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Speaker 1: field editor with the journal Mountain Hunting now Bow in Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 1: What would you say the bucket activities been lately on
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Speaker 1: a scale of one to ten. I think in the
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Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. The buck activity is actually ramped
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Speaker 1: up to about a seven UM with us. A little
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Speaker 1: bit changes in the last few days with with gun
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Speaker 1: season coming in, but it's been uh, it's been pretty
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Speaker 1: good actually. So I know that you're tagged out in Pennsylvania, Um,
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Speaker 1: but if you were still hunting, how would you handle
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Speaker 1: the recent gun season opening? To be honest, I would
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Speaker 1: get as closed to cover as you possibly can, because
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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania is well known for a lot of hunters entering
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Speaker 1: the woods, especially these first couple of days in weekends,
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Speaker 1: and they seem to really hold tight and into the
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Speaker 1: thick cover at that time. Now, are you still running
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Speaker 1: any trail cameras and if still, what are you seeing
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Speaker 1: on those? Yeah? Yeah, I am still running trail cameras.
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Speaker 1: I just just pulled them out of the woods this
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Speaker 1: weekend prior to gun season opening. But I'm seeing a
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Speaker 1: lot of scrape activity that seemed to open back up.
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Speaker 1: These grapes kind of closed down through the first couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks in November there but have have opened up
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Speaker 1: and I'm box cruising hitting those scrapes in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the day recently. Well, that's that's pretty cool to
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Speaker 1: see some midday movement. But how about are you seeing
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Speaker 1: a trend either towards morning movement or evening movement at
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Speaker 1: this point? To be honest, most of it's been just
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Speaker 1: middle of the day a lot of There was a
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Speaker 1: couple of bucks that I had on the twenty three
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Speaker 1: that we're moving between one and two in the afternoon,
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Speaker 1: and a couple other ones that I had between ten
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Speaker 1: and eleven, So more midday movement than i've been morning
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Speaker 1: or evening and this, And just to give you a
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Speaker 1: kind of a background, my what I'm hunting at is
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Speaker 1: in the Big Woods a little bit different. Not no,
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Speaker 1: I don't have them centered round food sources or anything,
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Speaker 1: just on on scrapes. So we'll speaking of those food sources,
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Speaker 1: how do those change this time of year as we
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Speaker 1: get in December versus what they were I think the
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Speaker 1: last time we talked to you in mid October. They're
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Speaker 1: just when the in the I guess in the Big
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Speaker 1: Woods area that I'm familiar with, their just feeding on
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Speaker 1: brows right now, in any sort of acorns that maybe left.
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Speaker 1: And then some of the areas, a few some of
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Speaker 1: the areas in Pennsylvania had a pretty good acorn crop
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Speaker 1: and there's still a lot of them on the ground
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Speaker 1: in those places, so they're revisiting those a little bit,
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Speaker 1: and but for the most part, it's uh the bucks
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Speaker 1: that I'm hunting in the areas that I'm familiar with
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Speaker 1: the are feeding on brows. Do you have any strong
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Speaker 1: feelings one way or the other about either weather fronts
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Speaker 1: or moon phases this time of the year. I still
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Speaker 1: think weather front side. I am a big proponent of
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Speaker 1: the weather front, and my cameras have shown it just
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Speaker 1: in the last I mean the last three years. I've
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Speaker 1: been just logging all the data with big weather front.
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Speaker 1: It really correlates with the with the daylight movement. And
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Speaker 1: this November has been pretty good for Pennsylvania, and I
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Speaker 1: think it's because we've had a lot of a lot
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Speaker 1: of cold weather and then some days of warm up
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Speaker 1: and then have another cold spell again, but never stayed
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Speaker 1: warm for more than a more than a couple of days,
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Speaker 1: so that's been very helpful. Well, you talked about how
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Speaker 1: you hunt the big woods of Pennsylvania, but I know
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Speaker 1: you have some contexts that are more involved with some
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Speaker 1: of the urban haunting, and how do you think that
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Speaker 1: changes this time of year? As we get into the
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Speaker 1: beginning of December. Yeah, well, some of the urban areas here,
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Speaker 1: a lot of them they don't allow um gun hunting
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Speaker 1: at all, and some of them are just shotgun hunting.
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Speaker 1: But this time of year that the woods are definitely
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Speaker 1: built up with a lot more a lot more people,
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Speaker 1: So it's it's more of a As far as patterning goes,
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Speaker 1: even in these urban areas, it's, uh, it's kind of
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Speaker 1: a shoot there that can be you can doing. It's
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Speaker 1: about anything at this moment, but if you find an
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Speaker 1: area that's unpressured, Um, I think that they're still moving
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Speaker 1: quite a bit. Uh. Some of the people that have
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Speaker 1: been talking to it had showed me some of their
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Speaker 1: trail camp pictures in the last couple of weeks, and
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Speaker 1: it was pretty similar to what I'm seeing in the
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Speaker 1: Big Woods as far as movement goes. Going forward, Then
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Speaker 1: in the next week or so, what do you think
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Speaker 1: that buck activity is going to be. On a scale
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Speaker 1: of one to ten, I would put it out of three.
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Speaker 1: Just with so much hunter activity in the in the
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Speaker 1: woods at this time, I think they're really gonna gonna
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Speaker 1: shut down the movement and it's not gonna be any
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Speaker 1: you know, really weather related unless you have a pretty
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Speaker 1: good size of property that doesn't get doesn't get pushed out,
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Speaker 1: or doesn't get you know, a lot of human activity.
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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be very slow. All right, ball
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Speaker 1: Will congrats on the great season thus falling. Thanks for
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Speaker 1: joining me. Hey, thanks Spencer, all right and joining me
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Speaker 1: on the line. Next is justin's our, the general manager
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Speaker 1: of bow hunting dot com in Illinois. Now, Justin in Illinois,
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Speaker 1: what would you say the bucket activity has been lately?
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Speaker 1: On a scale of one to ten, I'd give it
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Speaker 1: probably uh six, six and a half. You know, when
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Speaker 1: you look at the run, I've always kind of looked
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Speaker 1: at it as a bell curve right kind of peak
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Speaker 1: somewhere in in early to mid November, and then it
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Speaker 1: starts kind of winding down from there. I think we're
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Speaker 1: on the back side of that of that bell curve
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Speaker 1: right now. Um, I'm not seeing the you know, super
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Speaker 1: super intense run activity that you may have seen earlier
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Speaker 1: in the months. But the bucks are definitely still on
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Speaker 1: their feet during daylight hours, which is the key for
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Speaker 1: for us hunters. Doesn't do as much good if they're
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Speaker 1: early moving at night. Uh So, Yeah, the bucks are
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Speaker 1: definitely still on their feet. A lot of guys shooting deer. Uh.
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Speaker 1: This past weekend I saw some pretty good daylight buck activity,
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Speaker 1: So yeah, definitely still an opportunity to get out there
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Speaker 1: and shoot a nice dear. Well, a lot of guys
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Speaker 1: shooting deer, and one of them was you justin why
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Speaker 1: don't you tell us a little bit about Yeah, I'll
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Speaker 1: be honest with you. Have kind of shortened to the point.
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Speaker 1: I decided to try my hand at some public land
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Speaker 1: hunting this last weekend. I wasn't having much much success
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Speaker 1: on the private ground, so I just used some topo
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Speaker 1: maps and some aerial maps Google Earth to figure out
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Speaker 1: an area I wanted to go into. Um kind of
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Speaker 1: back in some deep timber. I figured that with all
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Speaker 1: the pressure from the firearms season here in Illinois, plus
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Speaker 1: the being public land, that hunting field edges probably wasn't
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Speaker 1: the best idea. I wanted to get into some cover,
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Speaker 1: so I went back in the timber, found a good
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Speaker 1: saddle that kind of connected two or three ridges. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Went in there on Saturday, hung a stand past the
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Speaker 1: nice two and a half year old buck. Saturday night,
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Speaker 1: after I watched him bump some does around for about
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Speaker 1: an hour and then uh, Sunday morning, had a real
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Speaker 1: nice mid one buck bumps some does right underneath my
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Speaker 1: stand and managed to put a good shot on him. So,
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Speaker 1: as they say, even a blind squirrel finds a nut
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Speaker 1: every once in a while, So I'd like to chalk
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Speaker 1: it up there's a little bit of luck, hopefully a
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Speaker 1: little bit of skill as well, but I'll definitely take
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Speaker 1: it well. Justin what are you seeing for signmaking at
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Speaker 1: this point? Have rubs and scrapes gone cold? Do you think? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I mean I don't think they've gone totally cold. I
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Speaker 1: don't see the bigger bucks are really hitting the like
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Speaker 1: the ground scrape part of it, right, the part that
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Speaker 1: when we think of a scrape pawing the ground out,
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Speaker 1: I'm not seeing that. But I was able to watch
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Speaker 1: some scrapes, and I have a lot of my cameras
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Speaker 1: still on scrapes and the deer is still checking them.
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Speaker 1: Most of the bucks are still just you know, sniffing
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Speaker 1: them or working the licking branches, are not necessarily working
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Speaker 1: the ground. Uh, They're definitely still rubbing as well. I
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Speaker 1: mean the deer I shot had a lot of fresh bark. Uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, in his antlers. Um, again, I think we're
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Speaker 1: on the back side of that dull curve, so that
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Speaker 1: activity is going to taper down, but they're definitely still
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Speaker 1: both rubbing and scraping. Sure now, justin with the weather
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Speaker 1: being pretty mild us far if if that trend continues,
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Speaker 1: would you still focus on food sources in these next
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks or uh do you think that nicer
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Speaker 1: weather is uh, you know, going to have them elsewhere? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, I think for the next week or so
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Speaker 1: with these mild temperatures, I mean, deer is still going
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Speaker 1: to feed. Whether they are going to feed out in
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Speaker 1: the open during daylight is another question. Um, That's the
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Speaker 1: thing like when once we get into late season and
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Speaker 1: those really cold temperatures, they have to feed. They don't
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Speaker 1: have a choice whether they've been pressured or not. I
15:56
Speaker 1: think right now with some of these mild temperatures, I
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Speaker 1: mean a lot of the deer I saw, we're still
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Speaker 1: picking acorns off the ground in the woods, so it's
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Speaker 1: probably not going to force them out into the open
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Speaker 1: food sources as much as we would like as hunters.
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Speaker 1: So I would still focus on you know, some of
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Speaker 1: those you know, i'd key and on betting areas or
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Speaker 1: even you know, the travel routes in between betting areas.
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Speaker 1: Those bucks are still gonna move, you know a little
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Speaker 1: bit during daylight, and just you know, look for those
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Speaker 1: last estus does. Um, in my experience, the first estus
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Speaker 1: does are usually that very last couple of days of October.
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Speaker 1: Uh So, now we're looking at thirty days later, there
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Speaker 1: any does that started to come into Estrius then and
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Speaker 1: didn't get bread potentially coming back into Estris now. Uh
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that, Um, you know, the buck
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Speaker 1: activity is still gonna be pretty good, but i'd key
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Speaker 1: and more on you know, those betting areas and travel
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Speaker 1: rather than solely just hunting food at this point. Well,
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Speaker 1: going forward then, in this next week or so, justin
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Speaker 1: what do you think the buck activt is going to
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Speaker 1: look like on a scale of one to ten in Illinois? Well,
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Speaker 1: we got second firearms season coming up here pretty soon,
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Speaker 1: so there's gonna be a lot of deer moving just
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Speaker 1: as of the pressure in the woods. Um, but I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna probably back it down to maybe like a five
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Speaker 1: for the next week. You know, these mild temperatures aren't
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Speaker 1: helping anything. Um. And as we get later into the season,
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Speaker 1: We're just gonna see a little bit less bucky activity.
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Speaker 1: Still a good opportunity to shoot it, Dear. I still
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Speaker 1: firmly believe that bucks will be on their feet during
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Speaker 1: daylight moving for a couple more weeks here yet before
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Speaker 1: the late season really sets in. UM So yeah, still
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Speaker 1: still a good opportunity to get out there and be
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Speaker 1: able to harvest the dear. All right, just will congrats
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Speaker 1: on that great public land, dear, and thanks for joining me.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Spencer. Before we get to our next color, though,
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17:40
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17:52
Speaker 1: your your first outfitted hunt, UM, first thing I'll do is,
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe not go right to social media.
18:00
Speaker 1: And no social media is big at this day and age,
18:03
Speaker 1: but you want to find an outfitter that is not
18:08
Speaker 1: out there pounding this chest a lot um, you know,
18:11
Speaker 1: saying look at me, look at what we can do. Um.
18:15
Speaker 1: You know, from my experience, you know, being that you know,
18:17
Speaker 1: I am an outfitter, you know, and I see a
18:18
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of guys do all last stuff
18:20
Speaker 1: on social media, which is great. You know, they're they're
18:22
Speaker 1: promoting the sport and they're promoting their business. Uh, but
18:26
Speaker 1: it seems like they need they need the hunters. You know,
18:30
Speaker 1: if you want to look for an outfitter that there
18:32
Speaker 1: is that doesn't do a whole lot of advertising because
18:34
Speaker 1: they don't need to, because they've got a returning client
18:38
Speaker 1: base that you know, that they cater to and they're
18:41
Speaker 1: just from word of mouth. Is the best, you know,
18:44
Speaker 1: business model you can have as far as taking care
18:47
Speaker 1: of the people and treating them right. And they're always
18:49
Speaker 1: gonna come back, and if they can't come back, they're
18:51
Speaker 1: gonna have their buddies come in their place and so forth.
18:53
Speaker 1: So if you're looking at the book your first first
18:56
Speaker 1: outfited hunt, uh, get some references from that outfit they
19:00
Speaker 1: called them and say how they treated them, you know,
19:02
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19:05
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Speaker 1: Woods that's w O O D S alright, and joining
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Speaker 1: us on the line next is freelance outdoor writer and
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Speaker 1: TV host Mark Keiser in Wyoming. Now, Mark in Wyoming,
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Speaker 1: what would you say the buck activities ben Ley? On
19:27
Speaker 1: a scale of one to ten, you know, I'd say
19:31
Speaker 1: it's still probably registering at about six to seven, if
19:35
Speaker 1: not eight. It's starting to chick down a little bit
19:38
Speaker 1: because the rud is about over here in Wyoming, as
19:42
Speaker 1: it isn't much of the northern part of the country.
19:45
Speaker 1: But over the weekend, I was hunting with my son
19:47
Speaker 1: and I was just shocked at the amount of a
19:50
Speaker 1: buck activity we're seeing at now. A lot of that
19:54
Speaker 1: was young buck activity. Those three year olds are you know,
19:57
Speaker 1: they're just runners, that's what they want to do with
20:00
Speaker 1: higher rut, so you were seeing a lot of that.
20:02
Speaker 1: I think the mature bucks, we're starting to realize that,
20:05
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to run a little bit in
20:07
Speaker 1: the morning, maybe a little bit in the afternoon, but
20:09
Speaker 1: I'm not running all days. So you're definitely seeing a
20:12
Speaker 1: downward trend in those mature bucks. But I was I
20:16
Speaker 1: was still pretty optimistic, pretty excited about what I was
20:19
Speaker 1: seeing over the weekend. Over to Thanksgiving holiday, with it
20:22
Speaker 1: being the thanks to Be holiday, did you notice an
20:24
Speaker 1: increase in hunting pressure at all and how did that
20:26
Speaker 1: change things for you? I did notice an increase in
20:31
Speaker 1: hunting pressure. And why not. Everyone's got the weekend off.
20:34
Speaker 1: A lot of people make a long weekend of it.
20:36
Speaker 1: They get Thursday off, but some get Friday off. Many
20:40
Speaker 1: take Friday off. And people in my neck of the woods,
20:43
Speaker 1: they're just not Black Friday shoppers. They are Black Friday hunters,
20:47
Speaker 1: so they were already in fours and that also caused
20:51
Speaker 1: some buck movements and dear movements. You've always got to
20:54
Speaker 1: be ready for that. People out in the woods pushing
20:57
Speaker 1: gear to you, pushing dear away from you, and you
21:01
Speaker 1: need to strategize around those hunters. So I took a
21:04
Speaker 1: lot of that in consideration as well as I was
21:06
Speaker 1: out hunting with my son, trying to figure out the
21:09
Speaker 1: best places to be and and my main strategy for
21:13
Speaker 1: outwitting hunters is to always number one, get up way earlier,
21:19
Speaker 1: and get into position in the dark, so you get
21:21
Speaker 1: the first crack at those first movements during the very
21:25
Speaker 1: first minutes of shooting light. And then the other thing
21:28
Speaker 1: I do is I always try to go into a
21:29
Speaker 1: little rougher country, maybe across the creed, somewhere where it's
21:34
Speaker 1: muddy and people can't get their trucks to, maybe some
21:36
Speaker 1: rugged beautes people can't get up into, but somewhere where
21:40
Speaker 1: you're always setting yourself apart from the average hunter who
21:43
Speaker 1: doesn't want to go the extra mile. Would you use
21:46
Speaker 1: any calling to actics this lady, November? Is that something
21:49
Speaker 1: you'd put away for a while. I actually did do
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Speaker 1: some rattling over the weekend and use my grunt call.
21:57
Speaker 1: Now I'm not using it so much as a traction
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Speaker 1: to bring deer running into me. But what I was
22:02
Speaker 1: doing is we were hunting some real thick cover and
22:05
Speaker 1: when deer would pass through shooting lanes, if they were close,
22:09
Speaker 1: I could grun at them just to get him to pause.
22:11
Speaker 1: And if they're further out there, say two hundred three
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Speaker 1: four yards, I would rattle again just enough to make
22:18
Speaker 1: them stop so we could get an evaluation field, judge them,
22:21
Speaker 1: and when they stopped, if the green light was given,
22:25
Speaker 1: we could get a shot off. So the calling is
22:29
Speaker 1: kind of waning again, It's not quite as good as
22:31
Speaker 1: it was obviously in the three run you know, late October,
22:34
Speaker 1: the first couple of weeks in November, but you can
22:37
Speaker 1: still utilize it as a as a great strategy to
22:40
Speaker 1: get a shot off. And if you never know and
22:43
Speaker 1: they bring a deer just coming in out of curiosity, well,
22:46
Speaker 1: what are some of your favorite tactics using these next
22:49
Speaker 1: couple of weeks As we approach that secondary rut. Right now,
22:54
Speaker 1: hunters have to be ready for the big shutdown. These
22:58
Speaker 1: older deer are just about there. If not, they're already
23:02
Speaker 1: they realized that most of the doughs have been bred
23:04
Speaker 1: the younger bucks or what you're seeing moving. So what
23:07
Speaker 1: you want to do for strategy out is locate food
23:10
Speaker 1: these dear body wise down about on their body masks,
23:15
Speaker 1: so to get ready for the big storms coming, you know,
23:19
Speaker 1: the winter storms. Whether you're in the Midwest where you'll
23:22
Speaker 1: get high high winds and rain and snow mixed together
23:25
Speaker 1: up north where you get a lot of snow like Ryan,
23:28
Speaker 1: They've got to get some nutrition back in their body
23:31
Speaker 1: to start building up some body fat. Look for food,
23:34
Speaker 1: and then the other thing you want to be on
23:36
Speaker 1: the lookout is for good refuge. Now when you uh
23:39
Speaker 1: find these two areas sanctuary and food together. You're gonna
23:42
Speaker 1: find not only the bucks fighting out close by rating
23:45
Speaker 1: the refrigerator, but these doughs are going in there, and
23:49
Speaker 1: in about two weeks, some of these doughs that weren't bred,
23:52
Speaker 1: some of the younger doughs, maybe some that just got missed,
23:56
Speaker 1: they'll come back into estrus and you'll see a flurry
23:59
Speaker 1: of activity. I've seen some running activity around the tenth, twelve,
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Speaker 1: thirteenth of December that rivals anything in mid November, so
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Speaker 1: you need to be ready for that. Albeit it could
24:09
Speaker 1: be a very brief window, it might be the window
24:12
Speaker 1: you need to fill a tag yet, especially if you're
24:15
Speaker 1: archery hunting in one of these northern states yet or
24:18
Speaker 1: maybe have a late season muzzleloader tag in hand. Uh Now,
24:22
Speaker 1: now in Wyoming here are seasons are shutting down. They're
24:24
Speaker 1: all shutting down on November thirty, so it's gonna be
24:28
Speaker 1: a little hard to go hunting for tier after that.
24:30
Speaker 1: But Nebraska is you know, has December muzzleloading the entire season.
24:35
Speaker 1: South Dakota next door to me has archery hunting going on.
24:39
Speaker 1: So there's there are options out there where you can
24:41
Speaker 1: take advantage of this food sanctuary situation. Going forward. Then
24:47
Speaker 1: this next week or so, what do you think that
24:48
Speaker 1: bucket activt is going to look like on the scale
24:50
Speaker 1: of one to ten in Wyoming? I think, uh, for
24:54
Speaker 1: the last few days of the white kail season here
24:57
Speaker 1: in Wyoming, it's gonna trickle off to a three or
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Speaker 1: four within the next five to six days, for sure.
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Speaker 1: It's it's definitely the running activity is going to go down.
25:08
Speaker 1: And then again, what you're gonna focus on his food? Now,
25:11
Speaker 1: Wyoming deer and western white tails tend to act a
25:14
Speaker 1: little differently than their Eastern cousins or Midwestern cousins. They
25:19
Speaker 1: will move around in the daylight hours, but it'll be
25:22
Speaker 1: a little more cautious and they'll be a little more reserved.
25:25
Speaker 1: So you'll still see deer up and on their feet,
25:29
Speaker 1: but again, it won't be running around running. They're going
25:32
Speaker 1: to be moving casually to food sources in a very
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Speaker 1: careful and cautious manner. All right, Mark, that's great, Intel,
25:40
Speaker 1: and thanks for joining me this week. Thanks thanks a
25:43
Speaker 1: lot for having me on alright and joining me on
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Speaker 1: the line. Next in Kansas partner with rock House Motion
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Speaker 1: is Dustin Lutton. Now, Dustin in Kansas, what would you
25:54
Speaker 1: say the buck activity has been lately on a scale
25:57
Speaker 1: of one to ten. I would say lately the buck
26:01
Speaker 1: activity has probably been, you know, around a seven. I
26:04
Speaker 1: think we're at the tail end of the rut here
26:06
Speaker 1: there catching those last dose. They're getting off of lockdown
26:10
Speaker 1: and starting to look again. And if they're not looking again,
26:12
Speaker 1: I think they're you know, starting to hit food sources
26:15
Speaker 1: get that energy back. So I would say it's at
26:18
Speaker 1: a seven h slowing down. It'll probably drop and then
26:21
Speaker 1: go back up here in about a week or two. Well,
26:24
Speaker 1: dost sound scale of one to tend the buck you
26:26
Speaker 1: just killed was a ten. Why don't you tell us
26:28
Speaker 1: a little bit about that U two plus inches? I believe, Yeah.
26:33
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna gross around him and net round
26:38
Speaker 1: two oh four is what we came up with. So
26:40
Speaker 1: he's he's an incredible deer man, a dream for sure.
26:44
Speaker 1: So and in that buck, I would say, I mean
26:48
Speaker 1: he was probably on the recovery stage of the rut. Um.
26:51
Speaker 1: I hadn't had pictures of him for about twenty two days,
26:55
Speaker 1: I believe, is what my cameras had told me. And
26:57
Speaker 1: I think he ruts in a different area and he
27:00
Speaker 1: was coming back. Um, you know for food, and I
27:02
Speaker 1: got pictures of him the night before I shot him,
27:06
Speaker 1: and h was able to sneak between his bedding area
27:09
Speaker 1: and the food source and catch him on his way back. Um.
27:14
Speaker 1: And yeah, I just locked at I couldn't believe it happened.
27:17
Speaker 1: I thought for sure he was, you know, possibly dead,
27:19
Speaker 1: being gone that long. Um, But it worked out great
27:22
Speaker 1: and he came back to his home range. So yeah, well, Dustin,
27:27
Speaker 1: looks like a couple of your buddies have had some
27:29
Speaker 1: great success here recently. Two with some other you know giants.
27:35
Speaker 1: What have those haunts been like for them? Were they
27:37
Speaker 1: also focused on bucks that were recovering from their rut? Yeah,
27:41
Speaker 1: those bucks were both shot here in the last two weeks.
27:43
Speaker 1: They were actually both on lockdown with those the first
27:48
Speaker 1: one being Scott Whites, which is an incredible non typical diaries.
27:52
Speaker 1: Two in another you know buck of a lifetime, and
27:57
Speaker 1: he was able to sneak into his tree stand. Buck
28:00
Speaker 1: was bedded with the dough fifty yards from his tree stand. Um,
28:04
Speaker 1: and he's able to sneak in and about an hour
28:07
Speaker 1: later the buck came in following the dough as she
28:09
Speaker 1: she came into a food source and so that buck
28:12
Speaker 1: was on lockdown. UM. Another buddy, Kyle Martin with Monsio Properties,
28:18
Speaker 1: he was out checking cameras midday and uh as, I
28:23
Speaker 1: think it's about lunchtime when he texts me that he
28:25
Speaker 1: had shot the buck and that buck was bedded along
28:29
Speaker 1: a river bank with the dough on lockdown and he
28:32
Speaker 1: was able to sneak within forty yards on the ground
28:35
Speaker 1: and get a shot at that buck. So, UM, I
28:38
Speaker 1: think the lockdown phase, you know where they're they're bed
28:42
Speaker 1: with the doughs all day, is probably on the tail
28:45
Speaker 1: end with the mature dos um and they're going to
28:49
Speaker 1: be hitting food sources hard and then hearing about a week,
28:52
Speaker 1: I think it'll pick up where they're looking for the
28:54
Speaker 1: young does coming into estros again. What are your thoughts
28:58
Speaker 1: on signmaking right now? Are you seeing any deers still
29:01
Speaker 1: using rubs and scrapes rubs, I haven't seen any of
29:06
Speaker 1: that lately. Um, scrapes, Um, they were dead here for
29:09
Speaker 1: about three weeks on my cameras and I'm just starting
29:12
Speaker 1: to get bucks checking those again, starting to see some
29:14
Speaker 1: dose using again. So I think scrapes are a good
29:18
Speaker 1: way to keep track of your DearS. Still with trail cameras. Um,
29:22
Speaker 1: as they're looking for those final doughs. What doeston you
29:25
Speaker 1: referenced a recovery phase here for the deer that are
29:29
Speaker 1: winding down from the ruts. What are you some of
29:31
Speaker 1: your favorite tactics then? Um, hunting similar to how you
29:34
Speaker 1: killed this other big book. Just focusing on food. Yeah,
29:38
Speaker 1: focusing on food. I think, you know, green green food
29:41
Speaker 1: plot sources that really haven't been good most November. Um.
29:45
Speaker 1: The plot that my buck was going on the night
29:50
Speaker 1: before I shot him was actually a turn up and
29:52
Speaker 1: oates plot. Um. You know, so he's going back and
29:55
Speaker 1: getting that protein, trying to build up. So I think
29:58
Speaker 1: food sources are really a good way here now for
30:00
Speaker 1: a little while, and uh honestly I was preparing to
30:05
Speaker 1: you know, hunt this buck late December. Um, you know,
30:08
Speaker 1: so really focusing on food sources. As we know get
30:11
Speaker 1: into the colder weather here. Now, how do you think
30:14
Speaker 1: weather fronts changed things at this point? Um? With the
30:17
Speaker 1: best hunting days behind us, Say we get a cold
30:19
Speaker 1: front or a week of warmer weather, what do you
30:21
Speaker 1: think that does to the buck movement? Yeah? I think
30:25
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's still still the end of the rut.
30:27
Speaker 1: So you never know what's going to happen. Um, you know,
30:30
Speaker 1: warm weather, it's still worth getting in the tree. But um,
30:34
Speaker 1: your best times are are definitely gonna be when you
30:36
Speaker 1: get the cold fronts coming in. Uh, snow would be ideal,
30:40
Speaker 1: even though it's really warm here in Kansas. I think
30:43
Speaker 1: if we get a cold front, Um, rifle season starts
30:48
Speaker 1: here on Wednesday. If they get a you know, cold
30:50
Speaker 1: front during that season, UM, there probably a lot of
30:53
Speaker 1: a lot of good bucks going down going forward. Then
30:56
Speaker 1: in this next week or so, what do you think
30:58
Speaker 1: that buck activity is going to be the skill of
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Speaker 1: one to tend in Kansas? I would say in the
31:03
Speaker 1: next week here, you're you're looking at probably a six
31:06
Speaker 1: or seven as far as the rout activity goes. Um,
31:09
Speaker 1: and then winding down after that. All right, Dustin, Well,
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Speaker 1: congrats again on the amazing buck and thanks for joining me.
31:17
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, and that concludes this week's episode
31:21
Speaker 1: of Wired Hunt's Radio. We'd like to thank all of
31:24
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31:28
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31:34
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31:36
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31:40
Speaker 1: on the bucks that Justin and Dustin just killed this
31:43
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31:46
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31:50
Speaker 1: rock House, where you'll see some amazing imagery of that
31:53
Speaker 1: awesome buck. Good luck to everyone who still is a
31:56
Speaker 1: tag in their pocket and I hope that December treats
31:59
Speaker 1: you well. Or to distaf