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Final Thoughts Manifest · Armstrong & Getty One More Thing

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  Speaker 1: Gentlemen and Katie, this is final thoughts Manifest. I'm strong
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  Speaker 1: and one. Also, when is an Indian not an Indian?
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  Speaker 1: Stay with us, won't you.
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  Speaker 2: Donnor feather?
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  Speaker 1: If you missed our loving tribute to aussy curiosity, Jack Carlson,
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  Speaker 1: the Democracy Manifest guy at during the Armstrong and Getty
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  Speaker 1: radio show Slash Armstrong and Getdy on demand podcast, you
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  Speaker 1: missed a good time. But there's a little more stuff
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  Speaker 1: we want to get to, including what do we do
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  Speaker 1: the fairly recent interview he did, Let's go ahead and
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  Speaker 1: listen to that. Did you ever think when you sat
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  Speaker 1: down for that succulent Chinese meal that all these years
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  Speaker 1: later you would be a social media super stuff?
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  Speaker 3: No, I didn't know that, or I don't even know
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  Speaker 3: if that's happening now?
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  Speaker 1: Is there?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, surely you've been still in.
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  Speaker 3: The streets numerous occasions.
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  Speaker 2: What was the succulent Chinese meal?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: I forget what it was made. I used to eat
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  Speaker 3: plenty of stuff there, and we're we're eating it now.
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  Speaker 3: We're in the same rest not the same restaurant, but
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  Speaker 3: the same excellent succulent Guinese food.
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  Speaker 1: But there were some pretty crazy theories flying around what's
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  Speaker 1: the wildest one you've heard over the years.
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  Speaker 3: One of them was that they thought I was a
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  Speaker 3: Hungarian chess player. I don't speak with a Hungarian accents.
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  Speaker 1: Play. Yeah, I think there was one where he was
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  Speaker 1: a UFO come down from Mars at one stage two.
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  Speaker 2: What's more likely, Jack, that you're an alien or that
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  Speaker 2: you're a test grandmaster.
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  Speaker 3: Now, I'm just doing the best I can to stay.
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  Speaker 1: Out of jail, So just go ahead.
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  Speaker 4: I was just letting you know that other voice that
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  Speaker 4: you heard that said that others thought he was an alien.
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  Speaker 4: That was one of the cops that arrested him. They
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  Speaker 4: were having lunch together.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, Uh so is a guy kooky like super kookie?
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  Speaker 1: Just I think so? Troubling childhood, orphanage, petty crime, spent
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  Speaker 1: half of his early life in jail and then tried to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, stay out of jail, but was still you know,
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  Speaker 1: for instance, allegedly snarf and Chinese food with a stolen
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  Speaker 1: credit card.
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  Speaker 2: Was he drunk when he did that whole thing?
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  Speaker 1: He where's the where's the headlock? One? Michael? We have
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  Speaker 1: that one. I love that one.
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  Speaker 2: I have a little short headlock.
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  Speaker 1: I do have this one though.
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  Speaker 3: And her. Are you waiting to receive lent venus?
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  Speaker 4: All right?
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 4: He was drinking a nice glass of whiskey, and during
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  Speaker 4: that last clip we heard.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, so he's a drinker. Yeah, and leave your
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  Speaker 2: LP out of it. I just I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: hear about it.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody does, really Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Uh?
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  Speaker 1: And anyway, at one point we discussed the possibility or
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  Speaker 1: or surely the existence of remixes. I guess we have
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  Speaker 1: at least one remix of his screed. Let's hear that,
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  Speaker 1: all right?
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  Speaker 3: Look at the head bok, Look at that headlong, look
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  Speaker 3: at that head bond, look at that head bobbing and jewish?
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  Speaker 3: How are you waiting to receive it?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? Surely there's there's better than that.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like they emphasized the genitalia
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  Speaker 2: portion of his screed more than I need.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I was digging and digging for that was
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  Speaker 4: the best one that I could find on the internet. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: all the other ones. There was one with a symphony,
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  Speaker 4: but all the levels were off of the music was
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  Speaker 4: way too loud to be able to hear him.
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  Speaker 2: It's just funny that people do that. You have to
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  Speaker 2: do something with your day, but Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, what a character. I wish I'd been his manager
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  Speaker 1: back in the day. So we got this email, Jack,
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  Speaker 1: I thought you might find it interesting. It's from anonymous
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  Speaker 1: guys a long time listener here. I grew up in Cheyenne, Wyoming,
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  Speaker 1: named after an Indian tribe, lived in the Indian Hills
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  Speaker 1: subdivision on Shoshone, also an Indian Tribe street, and went
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  Speaker 1: to Cheyenne Central High School where a mascot was you
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  Speaker 1: guessed it, the Indian. I'm a white girl who's taught
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  Speaker 1: the history of our state and with that reverence for
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  Speaker 1: the many tribes who reside there in their plight when
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  Speaker 1: the white man showed up. Please tell oh, so she's
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  Speaker 1: talking about your discussion of being in quote unquote Indian country.
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  Speaker 1: She also says next year he needs to go to
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  Speaker 1: the Cheyenne Frontiers Frontier Days last week of July and
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  Speaker 1: witness the daddy of them all. Okay, cool, best known,
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  Speaker 1: big rodeo, largest versus awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds awesome.
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  Speaker 1: They also sell delicious Indian tacos, whatever that is.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, being in a variety of places in Wyoming, Montana,
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  Speaker 2: and South Dakota, and my youngest son is a superhistory buff,
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  Speaker 2: which is fine with me because I am also. And
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  Speaker 2: we listened to some documentaries and YouTube lectures and sort
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  Speaker 2: of stuff as we were headed to, for instance, the
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  Speaker 2: Battle of the Little Big Horn site where George Custer
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  Speaker 2: met his end there and watched all that stuff before
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  Speaker 2: we walked around and gave it a lot of background
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  Speaker 2: information and everything like that. But it's a tough thing.
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  Speaker 2: Our take over the years in the Armstring and Getty
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  Speaker 2: Show has just been you know, the history of the
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  Speaker 2: world is people take what they can and always have,
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  Speaker 2: always will and Indian tribes took what they could from
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  Speaker 2: various injur tribes and very violent ways all the time too.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not it's not comfortable and enjoy if you
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  Speaker 2: go through the history of US making deals with various
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  Speaker 2: tribes and then completely violating them over and over again. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's just it's abhorrent. It's horrifying, and in particular to
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  Speaker 2: the Black Hills of this of South Dakota. So what
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  Speaker 2: led to Custer's death, Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull the
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  Speaker 2: tribes from South Dakota and the Black Hills was there
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  Speaker 2: like religious Land, It would be like the Israel and Jerusalem,
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  Speaker 2: a similar sort of thing, and and so they just
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  Speaker 2: they needed to keep that because that's their sacred land.
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  Speaker 2: They're going back forever and with the gods they believe
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  Speaker 2: in and everything like that. And we said, oh, yeah, sure,
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  Speaker 2: you can keep that, Okay, fine. Then gold was discovered
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  Speaker 2: there and all of a sudden we decide no, no,
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  Speaker 2: you can't. You gotta go. And then they're like, well,
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  Speaker 2: we're not leaving, We're not. This is be like telling
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  Speaker 2: the israel Is you have to leave Jerusalem. We discovered
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  Speaker 2: gold there, so you gotta go. They're not going to
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  Speaker 2: They're going to fight to the death for that. And
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  Speaker 2: the Indians fought to the death for that, and Crazy
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  Speaker 2: Horse led they got together a whole bunch of different
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  Speaker 2: Indian tribes who also believed that there was their sacred
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  Speaker 2: land and went to war with the cavalry. And Custer
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  Speaker 2: went out there because he was one of the greatest
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  Speaker 2: Indian fighters in American history and thought he was on
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  Speaker 2: to about six hundred warriors when he came over the hill.
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  Speaker 2: Turns out there was twenty five hundred of him, and
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  Speaker 2: he got wiped out and died. But eventually, you know,
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  Speaker 2: our equipment and mass as the United States overwhelmed them,
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  Speaker 2: and then when Crazy Horse finally surrendered the white flag
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  Speaker 2: and everything like that, then they stabbed him to death
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  Speaker 2: to make sure that he couldn't, you know, band anybody together.
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  Speaker 2: And it's a pretty rough story. It's not you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's not something to be proud of. I realized that
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  Speaker 2: he is a history of the world, but still.
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  Speaker 1: Well right exactly, And that's the miserable failing of the
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  Speaker 1: woke crowd. You can recognize the abhorrence of several of
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  Speaker 1: the things you mentioned there, but understand, in the age
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  Speaker 1: of conquest, that is how virtually everybody was acting. It
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  Speaker 1: was very much a dog eat dog, snatch up territory
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  Speaker 1: and resources world. That doesn't make it right, but it's
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  Speaker 1: like I was discussing the other day with my wife.
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  Speaker 1: We were at a historical site that was talking about
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  Speaker 1: slavery and that sort of thing, and it had a
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  Speaker 1: map of the flow of the African slaves to the
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  Speaker 1: United States, and I said, that map is accurate, but
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  Speaker 1: what it leaves out is that eighty percent of the
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  Speaker 1: slaves went here. I pointed to Brazil and here the Caribbean.
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  Speaker 1: The vast, vast, vast majority did not come to the
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  Speaker 1: United States, they went to other places in an era
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  Speaker 1: when slavery was ubiquitous. It was everywhere. Everybody was enslaving everybody.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't for a second deny the evil, but
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  Speaker 1: you've got to view it in the context of the time.
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  Speaker 2: And then you know, giving the Indians land, but just
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  Speaker 2: like the worst land in America, he couldn't grow anything
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  Speaker 2: on just barren, cold, windy land. Ear if you want to,
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  Speaker 2: you can't live over there where you can grow stuff,
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  Speaker 2: And killed off the buffalo by the millions because that
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  Speaker 2: was so important to the tribes to be able to survive,
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  Speaker 2: so that it would be impossible for them to survive.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't have all of the resources that came with
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  Speaker 2: the buffalo herds. It's just it's definitely an ugly story.
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  Speaker 2: It was. It was, you know, fit in perfectly with
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  Speaker 2: the times, but still still an ugly story. And then
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  Speaker 2: you go more modern than that, having driven through a
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  Speaker 2: couple of Indian reservations, now you get to the how
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  Speaker 2: socialism doesn't work, and it should be so evident by
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  Speaker 2: looking at the Indian reservations. You cross over from you know,
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  Speaker 2: the regular United States of America and everything that is
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  Speaker 2: with a little town that's functioning fine. You cross a
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  Speaker 2: line all of a sudden you're an Indian reservation and
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  Speaker 2: it's like you're in a different country. Well you practically are,
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  Speaker 2: it's a sovereign land. But it's just it's just the
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  Speaker 2: squalor and the filth, and the people sitting around ground drunk,
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  Speaker 2: and it's just it's just horrifying. Yeah, living off the
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  Speaker 2: dependence of all these programs that are supposed to help
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  Speaker 2: them somehow, the whole thing is ugly. I wish there
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  Speaker 2: was a way to fix it somehow. I'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 2: The best way to fix it is, get the hell
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  Speaker 2: off the Indian Reservation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely true. And I've at this point, I've been
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  Speaker 1: saying this for a very long time. Yeah, that's it's
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  Speaker 1: such a miserable, hopeless life to be dependent on the government.
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  Speaker 1: And with all respect to the things you said about
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  Speaker 1: history and all, you can preserve your culture and have
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  Speaker 1: it thrive and and talk about the old ways and
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  Speaker 1: have a very happy life in the modern world. And
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  Speaker 1: it's it's I can't get inside the head of somebody
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  Speaker 1: who rejects that in favor of staying on the reservation
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  Speaker 1: as a I don't want to say gesture. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to be at all dismissive, because again I haven't
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  Speaker 1: lived this life, but somebody choosing that misery as opposed
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  Speaker 1: to finding a way to preserve and promote their history
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  Speaker 1: and culture. Outside of that just absolute vacuum of joy.
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  Speaker 2: And there were subsequent presidential administrations that decided what we
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  Speaker 2: had done was horrible, and we passed various resolutions apologizing
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  Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff over the years. Whether
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  Speaker 2: that was heartfelt or not, I do not know, but
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  Speaker 2: it was impossible for me. And I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: the average person does, like when they go to the
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  Speaker 2: battlefield of the Little Bighorn, to not have been rooting
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  Speaker 2: for the injury Indians and take great joy in the
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  Speaker 2: fact that they killed Custer. And I don't know why
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  Speaker 2: do that. I don't know if it's just the oppressed
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  Speaker 2: oppressor thing that we all have just kind of naturally,
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  Speaker 2: where you root for the underdog, I mean, and they
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  Speaker 2: were being screwed, absolutely screwed out of something they'd been promised,
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  Speaker 2: so it was hard not to be, you know, think
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  Speaker 2: cool glad they died, which is weird because well, because
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  Speaker 2: for the obvious reasons.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Anybody who thinks we the people have not
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  Speaker 1: done ugly, unforgivable things as a fool, and anybody who
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  Speaker 1: thinks that makes us uniquely evil.
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  Speaker 2: Is a fool, right, or that there's somebody better out there,
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  Speaker 2: which country you're going to point to that that hasn't
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  Speaker 2: happened on their land at some point, including recently if
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  Speaker 2: you want to get into you know, like areas like
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  Speaker 2: Serbia and that part of the world, or Africa, what's
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  Speaker 2: going on right now?
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  Speaker 1: The Middle East? Of course, Yeah, well, I guess that's it.