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SISTER ACT: Brian Laundrie's Sister Spills the Beans! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Talk about a sister act in the last hours, so
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Speaker 1: called boyfriend. Brian Laundry's sister finally breaks down and speaks
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Speaker 1: to the group that have been camped outside her house
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Speaker 1: for so many days. And when asked, did your brother,
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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry have anything to do with Gabby's death, her homicide,
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Speaker 1: she says, I don't know. Okay, that's just the beginning
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Speaker 1: of what's happening today right now in the search for
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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation in series XM one eleven. First
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Speaker 1: of all, let's take a listen to what Brian Laudry's
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Speaker 1: sister says to TikTok. We have fully cooperated with the
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Speaker 1: police since September eleven. When they called, I did not
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Speaker 1: say that I saw my brother. I said I haven't
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Speaker 1: been able to speak to him, in reference to the
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Speaker 1: time when I was called by the police. Since that point,
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Speaker 1: I haven't been able to speak to my brother. I
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Speaker 1: have been honest. Yeah. The good thing about is we
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Speaker 1: know Gabby's family. Gabby do two, what do you want
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Speaker 1: us to do? We cooperate with the police. We're not
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Speaker 1: supposed to talk to anybody, and you're making my children cry.
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Speaker 1: Was bring with you on September first? Did you come
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Speaker 1: to this house? She came to this house with my
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Speaker 1: parents in their Mustang, not the van. I did not
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Speaker 1: not dan back. I found out the next day with
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Speaker 1: everybody else. We are just as upset, frustrated and heartbroken
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Speaker 1: as everybody else. And I am losing my parents and
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Speaker 1: my brother, and my church children's camp and my future
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Speaker 1: sister from law on top of this, and you're not helping.
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Speaker 1: Why are your parents? Why why you're talking about Christmas?
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Speaker 1: You're not talking to us either. Why aren't they talking
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Speaker 1: to you? Guys? If I knew, I would say, I
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Speaker 1: don't know. Do you think they're involved? Your parents? I
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Speaker 1: don't know. You don't know. We know you're not involved.
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Speaker 1: Oh you've literally been finding everything out with the news
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Speaker 1: with like everybody else. Okay, you are hearing Cassie Laundry
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Speaker 1: uh speaking. She's there with her husband, James Lewis, and
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Speaker 1: they're speaking to a horde of people that are being
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Speaker 1: camped out in her front yard for days and days
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Speaker 1: and days, claiming they are making her children cry. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let's take a listen to more of what Cassie Laundry
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Speaker 1: this is Brian Laundry's sister says, upon questioning, my kids
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Speaker 1: are upset. You're upsetting my neighbors. And all we want
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Speaker 1: to do is let you guys know because we don't
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Speaker 1: know what happened. What do you guys do on the
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Speaker 1: sixth for the eighth we were at fourth Pisota on
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Speaker 1: the sixth. We got there at around two o'clock and
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Speaker 1: we left around eight because the kids at school the
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Speaker 1: next day on the sixth. On the sixth, we only
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Speaker 1: stayed for about six hours. Were you who is there?
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Speaker 1: My mom, my dad, my brother? Would you guys be
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Speaker 1: willing to go on record to say that you would
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Speaker 1: like your brother Bryan? What was going on at Fort
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Speaker 1: to Soto camp ground? What were you guys doing there?
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Speaker 1: Like where they where? There was our campfire? We were,
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Speaker 1: We had smores, we had dinner. We did Brian say
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Speaker 1: anything about there are kids there? Nothing came up? Can
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Speaker 1: you say anything about Gabby Nobi? Everything? Did Brian go up?
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Speaker 1: Does not need to know what the f behind us?
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Speaker 1: And that's why we're silent. They asked us to not
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Speaker 1: say anything. This is me coming out against them. They're suffering,
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Speaker 1: We're suffering. And one more take a list of our
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Speaker 1: cut two forty seven. This is Cassie Laundry speaking said
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Speaker 1: that and my parents were really screwed me over by
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Speaker 1: saying that. He just well, I saw the comment thank
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Speaker 1: you just stop by on the way home, and I
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Speaker 1: was livid and I'm not speaking to anybody. Yeah, not done,
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Speaker 1: because that put me in the injury. That made my
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Speaker 1: kids find out this horrible way of questions. We were
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Speaker 1: waiting until there was some unclosure, so the kids were
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Speaker 1: just sad instead of sad, worried and now really scared
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Speaker 1: of you guys. Well, based off all the stuff on
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Speaker 1: the internet, do you think Brian kill gabb I don't
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Speaker 1: know the internet is the Internet? I don't know with
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Speaker 1: me and I'll start panel to break it down and
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Speaker 1: put it back together again. Joining me, California prosecutor, author
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Speaker 1: of Red Flags, host of Today with doctor Wendy on
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Speaker 1: Case b Q. Wendy Patrick, PhD dot com, Doctor Angela
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Speaker 1: Arnold pronounced psychiatrists joining me at the Atlanta Jurisdiction at
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold, MD dot com, Founder director of the Coldcase
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Speaker 1: Research Institute, forensic specialist at Coldcase Crimes dot Org. Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author A
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Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star of a
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Speaker 1: new hit series Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan on iHeart.
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Speaker 1: But first, I want to go to a special guest
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Speaker 1: joining us. You can find him at Mike our Reports
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Speaker 1: on Twitter Mike Our Reports Michael Ruis joining us. What
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Speaker 1: the hey? Now? I know you don't take size, Michael Ruise.
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Speaker 1: That's one of the things we love about you. But
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Speaker 1: if I had the sister on the stand on cross examination,
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Speaker 1: I'd have a field day with that. Did your brother murder? Gabby?
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Speaker 1: I don't know what Okay West mean. Michael Luise, you're
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Speaker 1: there on the scene, tell me what's happening. Well, Cathy's
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Speaker 1: remarks are give us a lot of new information that
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Speaker 1: we haven't had yet. And it's kind of remarkable because
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Speaker 1: nobody on the case, as close to the case as
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Speaker 1: her has really been talking publicly. So she came out
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Speaker 1: yesterday and spoke with a group of protesters outside her
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Speaker 1: out and there wasn't media present, right, It was just
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Speaker 1: a group of people who were upset about Gabby's death,
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Speaker 1: and she was pretty forthcoming with them, and she gave
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Speaker 1: a lot of information that we didn't know before, like
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Speaker 1: she confirmed rumors of a flight from Brian Laundry shot
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Speaker 1: at Utah back Arda and hold on Michael Ruis. I
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Speaker 1: find that very interesting because every time I would ask
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Speaker 1: anyone on the Inner Circle about that, did Brian Laundry
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Speaker 1: in the middle of the road trip with Gabby Petito
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Speaker 1: fly home and return the parents would say, well, we
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Speaker 1: can't comment on that, which tells me it did happen,
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Speaker 1: and it's there's something that they're not supposed to talk about.
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Speaker 1: Why did he fly home in the middle of a
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Speaker 1: trip and returned? That's a good question, and I wonder
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Speaker 1: what the answer is, And I wonder how closely investigators
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Speaker 1: are looking at that. If you look at the timing
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Speaker 1: of it, he left right after they got in that
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Speaker 1: fight in Utah that we saw the police bodycam video of,
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Speaker 1: and he returned just a couple of days before Gabby
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Speaker 1: was last a lot Okay, I wonder if his parents
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Speaker 1: flew him home to de escalate, you know. Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: Director Colchase Research Institute, you and I have been in
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Speaker 1: the trenches for many, many years, many homicides the result
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Speaker 1: from it. This is quite the euphemism domestic homicide that
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Speaker 1: makes it sound all cozy like it's a family murder. Okay,
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Speaker 1: many many murders are the result of domestic homicide. And
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Speaker 1: in this case, I'm wondering if his parents did not
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Speaker 1: insist he fly home to de escalate, because you just
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Speaker 1: heard Michael Ruise Mike art reports on Twitter state it
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Speaker 1: was right after the incident in Moab where Brian Laundry
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Speaker 1: should have been put behind bars. There were witnesses that
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Speaker 1: saw him strike Gabby in the face. She told the cops,
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Speaker 1: which they didn't release until later, that she had a
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Speaker 1: earning gash on her face from him, and there were
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Speaker 1: bruces on her arms which she blamed on a backpack
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Speaker 1: and inanimate object should have been in jail. Do you
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Speaker 1: think they flew him home to deescalate things. I think
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Speaker 1: it's likely, and again I think law enforcement needs to
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Speaker 1: find out who paid for that flight. But Nancy, between
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Speaker 1: the twelfth and the seventeenth, the twelfth bend, when they
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Speaker 1: have the interaction with law enforcement, there's a five day
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Speaker 1: period of time those five days, I guarantee you were
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Speaker 1: very volatile. And then he flies back out and he's
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Speaker 1: only with Gabby a short period of time until she
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Speaker 1: has her last phone call with family, which is on
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Speaker 1: the twenty fifth, and then the odd text message regarding
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Speaker 1: stand which is the grandfather who she'd never referred to
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Speaker 1: him by his first names on the twenty seventh. I
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Speaker 1: start to really key in on some dates after that,
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Speaker 1: the thirty first, when he uses the debit card and
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Speaker 1: sends another bogus text message. But really the twenty ninth
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Speaker 1: or thirty is he has to be headed home by then,
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Speaker 1: So on the twenty ninth, he's got to be headed
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Speaker 1: back to Florida in order to make it by the first.
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Speaker 1: The thirty first, she changes the camping reservation and his
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Speaker 1: mama so well, the thirty first of August, mamma knows
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Speaker 1: he's coming back alone and he's driving time stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. I want to talk about that time period,
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Speaker 1: Michael Ruis. You just heard what Cheryl McCollum said, So
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Speaker 1: what time what date do we think he flew home,
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Speaker 1: Michael Ruis and returned to Gabby. It's a little muddy,
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Speaker 1: but we have a kind of a rough idea of
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Speaker 1: he went home on about August seventeen and returned to
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Speaker 1: Florida around returned from Florida to Utah around August twenty third. Mmmm.
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Speaker 1: And then that last phone call was the twenty fifth.
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Speaker 1: The odd stand text was the twenty seventh. After that
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Speaker 1: was the no sales service in Yosemite where they were
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Speaker 1: not then twenty nine through thirty I think Cheryl hit
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Speaker 1: at the nail on the head. I believe he's coming home.
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Speaker 1: By the thirty first, the mother changed the reservation at
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Speaker 1: De Soto Park from two to three. She knew he
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Speaker 1: was coming home, Okay, Doctor Angela Arnold, do you believe
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Speaker 1: the parents flew him home from that trip in an
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Speaker 1: attempt to de escalate what should have been an arrest
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Speaker 1: of Brian Laundry by Moab police. If they did, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: then in my mind, that points to the fact that
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Speaker 1: this is not the first time that something like this
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Speaker 1: has happened. And I'm telling you, Nancy, I know y'all
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Speaker 1: are talking about Denette domestic violence. There has already been
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Speaker 1: intimate partner violence. Let's call it what it is. There
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Speaker 1: is intimate partner violence inside of their relationship. No person
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Speaker 1: just slaps their beautiful little fiance around and gets away
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Speaker 1: with it without that being called intimate partner violence in
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Speaker 1: my books. So that is something we are already dealing
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Speaker 1: with here, and the question of how deep does it
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Speaker 1: and how long has it been going on? But I'm
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Speaker 1: telling you it's indicative it's been going on for a while. Nancy, Well,
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Speaker 1: I agree with you, Wendy Patrick. From all the years
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Speaker 1: that I volunteered at the Battered Women's Center and prosecuted,
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Speaker 1: I learned this. You don't go from zero to one
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Speaker 1: hundred and ten mph overnight. The fact that he would
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Speaker 1: slap her in the face, in the face on the
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Speaker 1: sidewalk in broad daylight on Main Street in Moab tells
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Speaker 1: me that this is not his first time at the rodeo.
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Speaker 1: This is not the first time he has at her.
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Speaker 1: That's exactly what we look at in terms of how
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Speaker 1: behavior escalates over time. And you have to think that
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Speaker 1: it's this was so instinctive, so almost easy to engage in.
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Speaker 1: You know, we've already speculated. I wonder how bad it
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Speaker 1: could possibly be behind closed doors, But then you wonder
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Speaker 1: whether her reaction was also sort of patterned used to
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Speaker 1: covering form used to downplay claiming to be the aggressor
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Speaker 1: all the rest of it. You know what it does, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: It puts that contact in context that happened when the
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Speaker 1: video footage and then you have the flight home, and
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Speaker 1: it really makes you wonder whether or not we should
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Speaker 1: be putting as we are on this show far more
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Speaker 1: significance on the dynamics of that relationship. Early on, guys
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Speaker 1: are talking about the very latest of the search for
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Speaker 1: so called boyfriend Brian Laundry. It's got to be prime
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Speaker 1: suspect in the homicide of Gabby Petito left to decompose
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Speaker 1: out in the open and the wild, Yoming the Grand
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Speaker 1: Tetons in the last hours. His sister, or Cassie Laundry,
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Speaker 1: has sought to basically clear her name after a disastrous
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Speaker 1: comment she made on Good Morning America. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: now to our cut two forty two as she speaks
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Speaker 1: to a TikToker. The media ended up misconstruing what I
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Speaker 1: said when they asked me if I had seen my brother,
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Speaker 1: Like as from in the beginning, they didn't stay have
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Speaker 1: you seen Brian? It was what's the weirdest thing about
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Speaker 1: this all? It was. You know, I haven't been able
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Speaker 1: to speak to my brother. I tried to contact the
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Speaker 1: man after this, contact the family. After this, I hadn't
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Speaker 1: been able to speak to my brother. You know, got
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Speaker 1: an additional burr phones. I annoyed you. You don't know
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Speaker 1: nothing's my brother that I don't talk to them, and
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Speaker 1: the parents ain't talking to you. Your own parents are
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Speaker 1: not talking to you for what reason? They just the
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Speaker 1: lawyer said, who lay their parents? Lawyers? Lawyer? We have
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Speaker 1: nothing to hide. We were told not to talk to anybody,
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Speaker 1: and I'm upset that we had come out and do this,
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Speaker 1: and then exclaimed myself, well, as far as I'm concerned,
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Speaker 1: Michael ruis joining us. Your porter Fox needs digital at
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Speaker 1: Mike our reports. She's muddying the waters even further because
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Speaker 1: she's saying I didn't have a chance to talk to him.
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Speaker 1: She says, the media misconstry what she said. I think
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Speaker 1: that's possible, and she says over and over she hasn't
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Speaker 1: been able to speak to her brother, but she did
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Speaker 1: on two occasions, and then she says, as we have
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Speaker 1: all discussed earlier. You remember the day Michael luise I
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Speaker 1: commented that I guarantee you the parents and that lawyer
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Speaker 1: have put up a cone of silence and they are
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Speaker 1: not letting her talk to him about anything to do
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Speaker 1: with Gabby. That's exactly what she confirmed. She says they
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Speaker 1: told her not to talk. Her parents have been told
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Speaker 1: not to talk to her. Michael, Yeah, that's interesting that
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Speaker 1: she came out and said that, And you know, she
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Speaker 1: did give us some answers to questions we were asking,
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Speaker 1: but now we have more questions after her little interview there,
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Speaker 1: because everything she raised kind of points to, well, I mean,
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Speaker 1: I'm confused about what you're saying, because she said it's
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Speaker 1: her brother that she barely ever talks to, and like
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Speaker 1: you just pointed out, they spoke twice, you know, in
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Speaker 1: the ten days span before Gabby was reported missing and
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Speaker 1: after he returned home. And it's it's very it points
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Speaker 1: to kind of the lack of communication that she's getting
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Speaker 1: with her parents, which it seems like it's just as
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Speaker 1: frustrating for her as it is for you know, us
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Speaker 1: in the media, who would love answers from the parents
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Speaker 1: as well. A lot has been made of a recent
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Speaker 1: alleged signing of Brian Laundry on the Appalachian Trail. Cheryl
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Speaker 1: McCallum has been at the Appalachian Trail giving us the conditions.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCallum, what are the conditions there on the Appalachian Trail.
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Speaker 1: As you told us yesterday, Nancy, it gets very cool
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Speaker 1: at night in the fifties. The ground is very wet
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Speaker 1: right now from all the rain. Leaves are fallen, so rocks.
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Speaker 1: It's real slick. The fog is heavy. I mean it
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Speaker 1: just holds on. So visibility is about zero. On top
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Speaker 1: of the mountains. The forest is very dense. All the
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Speaker 1: leaves are you know, clearly still on. The trees are
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Speaker 1: falling a little bit. But Walt literally walked not even
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Speaker 1: five feet from me into the woodline and I would
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Speaker 1: lose visibility of him. So, I mean, it's rough terrain.
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Speaker 1: It's it's not easy to traverse it at all. But
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Speaker 1: I will tell you we met several people yesterday at
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Speaker 1: the start of the Appalachian Trail in Georgia that said
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Speaker 1: they were just now starting their trek comin because they
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Speaker 1: wanted that adventurous you know, really rough you know, snow
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Speaker 1: and all that they wanted that experience. So it is
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Speaker 1: still a very active trail. There are people you headed
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Speaker 1: up and down right now as we speak. You know,
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Speaker 1: another thing, brianon Laundry's sister says she does not know
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Speaker 1: where he is end quote. I'd turn him in and
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Speaker 1: that is probably why the parents are not letting him
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Speaker 1: talk to her or did not let him talk to her.
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Speaker 1: But Jessica Morgan, Professor Forensics, based on every case study
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Speaker 1: we've ever had, I find it very difficult to believe
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Speaker 1: the parents are not in touch with him. So how
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Speaker 1: forensically are we going to find him through the parents. Well,
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Speaker 1: you know, obviously, I think the first step along this
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Speaker 1: is the burner phone. You know, we keep going back
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Speaker 1: to that. People keep discussing this or their phones that
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Speaker 1: were distributed by the parents to one another, maybe to
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Speaker 1: the attorney and to him, you know, does he have this?
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Speaker 1: And again, this is not something that's necessarily on their
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Speaker 1: radar relative to AT and T or any of these
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Speaker 1: other you know, purchases. You know, you can go down
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Speaker 1: to a big box store and pick one of these
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Speaker 1: things up. So I think that it would be very
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Speaker 1: difficult to track unless the FBI or one of these
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Speaker 1: agencies is using some kind of specialized tracking device in
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Speaker 1: order to track this. Now, you know, you talk about
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Speaker 1: a minute. Were you about to say staying right? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I was, okay, go ahead place yeah, and so but
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Speaker 1: you know, I think that if they do that, they're
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Speaker 1: going to have to have a generalized location where he
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Speaker 1: might be. And how do you vet through all of
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Speaker 1: that data? Now I can tell you, Nancy, I strongly
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Speaker 1: believe that any communication that the parents are having is
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Speaker 1: being closely and I mean closely monitored. Wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: hold on, now, you're the forensic expert. Let me, let's
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Speaker 1: just twist this around what you just said. You gotta
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Speaker 1: have Brian Laundry's location to get his burner phone number. True,
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Speaker 1: but you have the parents location. So if you sting
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Speaker 1: ray the parents, you get their cell phone, right, and
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Speaker 1: then if you have their cell phone and you have
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Speaker 1: a warrant, you can then download whatever text, messages, income
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Speaker 1: and calls everything from from the cloud. Correct, Yeah, you can.
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Speaker 1: And go back to what the sister said, So I
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Speaker 1: don't need Brian Laundry's location to get the info of
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Speaker 1: what burner he's using. And the FBI, you know, according
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Speaker 1: to Cassie, the FBI said, I mean she's saying, listen,
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Speaker 1: the rest of the world doesn't need to know what
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Speaker 1: the FBI knows. And that's telling, isn't it. You know,
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Speaker 1: when you begin to think about that, they she even implies,
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Speaker 1: the FBI told us not to say Pete about anything.
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Speaker 1: So are the is the FBI looking Are they looking
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Speaker 1: into you know? Maybe they have these electronic warrants where
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Speaker 1: they can track all of this stuff down and they're
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Speaker 1: monitoring Nancy. This is literally the most solid lead that
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Speaker 1: they have relative to trying to pinpoint where he is.
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Speaker 1: They know where where the parents are. It's a static location.
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Speaker 1: They're watching them everything that they do Crime stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Nancy, can I please jump in September? First,
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Speaker 1: Brian gets home to his parents house alone. Where do
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Speaker 1: they go? Immediately Cassie's house, the person he supposedly don't
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Speaker 1: talk to, the person she ain't talked to. I call BS.
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Speaker 1: What do they do? On the sixth through the eighth,
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Speaker 1: they meet with Cassie. She goes to the campground, They
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Speaker 1: have dinner, they have s'mores, but they don't talk. I
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Speaker 1: call BS again, and I'm gonna tell you the reason.
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Speaker 1: Mamma got him a new phone on the fourth. Two
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Speaker 1: reasons one. So when the FBI shows up and says,
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Speaker 1: give me his phone. Here it is she's got her
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Speaker 1: phone to give him second reason. Think about what was
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Speaker 1: happening between probably the sixth through the eleventh. How many
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Speaker 1: times do you think Gabby's mama and daddy called them
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Speaker 1: called Brian because they couldn't reach her. And your extrapolation
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Speaker 1: is what, Cheryl, Your point is that again, the sister
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Speaker 1: was at the campground, she had to know the phones
21:04
Speaker 1: would all be ringing. She claims she knows her family.
21:08
Speaker 1: They didn't reach out to her either, because she was
21:10
Speaker 1: conveniently on vacation in Orlando. She had a cell phone.
21:14
Speaker 1: They're her parents were so frantic. She was trying to
21:17
Speaker 1: get everybody on the phone, and nobody, nobody in that
21:22
Speaker 1: entire group would contact them back and give them any information.
21:27
Speaker 1: Every call went unanswered. Wendy Patrick, thank you. One thing
21:30
Speaker 1: I've noticed listening to these interviews is it's kind of
21:33
Speaker 1: like you have to listen to a witness. Cassy is
21:36
Speaker 1: very careful about what she says. I mean, nobody wants
21:39
Speaker 1: to get charged with lying to the police, which is
21:41
Speaker 1: one of the charges. It's easiest to prove in retrospect
21:44
Speaker 1: when you suspect somebody's covering up. She's very careful and
21:48
Speaker 1: when she says that the topic of Gabby doesn't come up,
21:51
Speaker 1: and when she doesn't, she's very careful when she answers
21:54
Speaker 1: reporter questions. If she decides to sit for an interview,
21:57
Speaker 1: what law enforcement will have done is taken a part
21:59
Speaker 1: all the so she's given and crafted their own questions
22:02
Speaker 1: to be able to get the material that they want.
22:05
Speaker 1: And that maybe why she hasn't sat for an interview already,
22:08
Speaker 1: and maybe why she made the very telling statement she
22:10
Speaker 1: did about what the FBI knows more than they're telling.
22:14
Speaker 1: Bank two Fox News digital reporter Mike Are reports on
22:19
Speaker 1: Twitter Michael Ruis joining us. Michael, you say that we've
22:23
Speaker 1: learned a lot from her most recent interviews. For instance,
22:27
Speaker 1: you brought out the flight, which I find very very interesting,
22:31
Speaker 1: And if you study the batter women's syndrome, you know
22:35
Speaker 1: the point is to de escalate the situation as best
22:38
Speaker 1: you can. All Right, what more, Michael, and do your analysis?
22:42
Speaker 1: Do you think we learn from sister Cassie. Well, another
22:45
Speaker 1: thing that's really striking here is that the lack of
22:47
Speaker 1: communication between her and her parents. You know, what's going
22:50
Speaker 1: on there? Do they maybe want to keep distance between
22:53
Speaker 1: themselves and HER's. That's a question I have about this.
22:57
Speaker 1: Another one said, she said their lawyer through her to
23:00
Speaker 1: the bus. She seems like she's disappointed in the way
23:03
Speaker 1: this is unfolding. So what's what's going on there? Another
23:07
Speaker 1: thing she said, now, I want to circle back to
23:09
Speaker 1: the parents calling and reaching out. She did say to
23:11
Speaker 1: those TikTokers yesterday that she has no record on her
23:15
Speaker 1: phone history of calls from Gabby's father before the eleventh,
23:19
Speaker 1: So she speculated in that interview that maybe he didn't
23:22
Speaker 1: have the right number for her. But she did say
23:25
Speaker 1: they didn't call her to ask. So that's another thing
23:28
Speaker 1: we learned yesterday. I went about from the mother or
23:31
Speaker 1: the stepfather. Guys following up on, Michael Ruise from Fox
23:34
Speaker 1: News Digital just told us take a list of our
23:37
Speaker 1: cut two forty five. I understand I'm in a vote
23:41
Speaker 1: or I'm getting ignored by my family and from under
23:43
Speaker 1: the bus on my family's attorney. Why why would he
23:47
Speaker 1: do that? Like? Why client? Because she's got their clients.
23:54
Speaker 1: So I'm just as mad. Okay, let's take a listen
23:57
Speaker 1: to what sister Cassie launched. He says, this is very,
24:02
Speaker 1: very revealing. Take a listen to our cut two four three.
24:06
Speaker 1: So when Gabby was missing, the parents we weren't even
24:10
Speaker 1: looking for her. They weren't even out looking for her.
24:12
Speaker 1: We don't even know what they do. Do you know
24:16
Speaker 1: that she was missing when they went to fourth Tosta, No,
24:19
Speaker 1: you didn't know she was missed. A detective that was
24:22
Speaker 1: working with Gappy's mom called me up, Well, we were
24:25
Speaker 1: on vacation. And then I called her back because we
24:30
Speaker 1: were eating dinner, and I told her everything she needs
24:33
Speaker 1: to know. We told them from day one that we
24:34
Speaker 1: were at fourth Tosoda with them on the sixth, and
24:36
Speaker 1: we came over here on the purse. The police has
24:39
Speaker 1: known everything that's out there the whole time, from September
24:42
Speaker 1: eleventh night on. That's when I became involved, and I
24:45
Speaker 1: knew nothing before that. Does that even make sense, Michael
24:49
Speaker 1: Luis that she is out camping with her parents, that
24:51
Speaker 1: is Sheryl McCollum pointed out, day one, September one, laundry
24:56
Speaker 1: finally rolls into town. We've got the time ten thirty
24:59
Speaker 1: six ac into a license scrabber. The first thing they
25:02
Speaker 1: do is go to Cassie's. Then they go camping with
25:06
Speaker 1: Cassie and nobody ever, she never, She says, nobody mentioned
25:10
Speaker 1: Gabby was missing, but didn't she notice Gabby wasn't around
25:13
Speaker 1: the campfire? That's a good question. But also so before
25:16
Speaker 1: they went to Kathy's house, you know, Brian dropped off
25:20
Speaker 1: the van and they got in the Mustang and he
25:21
Speaker 1: rode in the backseat of a Mustang, which if you've
25:23
Speaker 1: ever done, hey hey hey, hey, hey, hey hey hey,
25:25
Speaker 1: slow down, Ruis. I mean, I'm gonna drink you from
25:28
Speaker 1: the fire. Hydra here, what now, slow it down. I've
25:30
Speaker 1: got a process everything. You say, what? Okay? So we
25:33
Speaker 1: know that he got back on September first around. I
25:36
Speaker 1: think it was ten forty five am from the license
25:38
Speaker 1: plate reader, like you just mentioned. But he didn't go
25:40
Speaker 1: to Kathy's house in the van, right, So the van
25:43
Speaker 1: is what showed up on a license plate reader. But
25:44
Speaker 1: he goes to Kathy's house with his parents in their Mustang,
25:48
Speaker 1: and she took very great pains to point out they
25:51
Speaker 1: came in the mustang. You're right, go ahead. So you know,
25:55
Speaker 1: a van is a lot roomier than a mustang, right,
25:58
Speaker 1: especially if you have to have an adult sitting in
25:59
Speaker 1: the back. So that's just an interesting detail that we
26:01
Speaker 1: didn't know before. And the question is you know why,
26:05
Speaker 1: And I'm making a flow chart to have everything. You say,
26:08
Speaker 1: why Mustang the camper? But still, I mean, you know,
26:12
Speaker 1: at night, Cheryl McCollum, when we sit down to supper,
26:16
Speaker 1: it's always Lucy. I always sit down and say, where's Lucy.
26:20
Speaker 1: Go get Lucy? Every single night, where's Lucy. She's missing.
26:24
Speaker 1: She's not here at supper. We're not starting without her.
26:26
Speaker 1: Nobody noticed Gabby wasn't there. She never said where's Gabby.
26:31
Speaker 1: I find that very hard to believe, Cheryl, and I
26:33
Speaker 1: want to believe Cassie, I really do. Not just that
26:37
Speaker 1: she knows her brother is home two months early, and
26:40
Speaker 1: he's already been home one other time, so you know
26:43
Speaker 1: she'd be questioned it. And my question is did she
26:46
Speaker 1: takes Gabby or call Gabby or FaceTime with Gabby with
26:50
Speaker 1: her children after the twenty eight I bet she didn't, Nancy.
26:55
Speaker 1: She also makes reference in these interviews to the fact that,
26:58
Speaker 1: you know, she talks about the relationship that she had
27:00
Speaker 1: with Gabby at one point in time. If I remember correctly,
27:03
Speaker 1: she actually said, Hey, I'm I'm missing I'm missing my
27:07
Speaker 1: future sister in law here and so she you know,
27:10
Speaker 1: there's an awareness of the relationship that she has with her.
27:13
Speaker 1: And that's the big question, isn't it. You know, why
27:15
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you dig dig deep into this and ask
27:18
Speaker 1: us questions? Maybe it didn't. Yeah, hold on, I want
27:20
Speaker 1: to I want to analyze that, and everybody jump in.
27:23
Speaker 1: For those of you that are joining us, this is
27:26
Speaker 1: how you build a case. I would sit with my
27:29
Speaker 1: investigator or my bestie in the DA's office and we
27:33
Speaker 1: would go over and over and it wasn't work. It
27:37
Speaker 1: was trying to. It's like putting together a Rubic's que.
27:40
Speaker 1: And this is what you do. You analyze every single angle.
27:44
Speaker 1: Back to you, Cheryl McCollum, you've mess both of my
27:46
Speaker 1: sisters in law, and I love them. If we had
27:51
Speaker 1: a family event and David's sister Donna wasn't there, it
27:57
Speaker 1: would just be completely wrong. Because at every function, she's
28:02
Speaker 1: front and center, the life of the party, the loving, creative,
28:05
Speaker 1: funny one. And here I find it really hard to believe.
28:11
Speaker 1: If she loves Gabby and her children love Gabby, she
28:15
Speaker 1: never said hey, whe's Gabby? Not once. Yeah, And when
28:19
Speaker 1: Gabby's mamma called everybody, Why didn't you pick up the
28:22
Speaker 1: phone and say we don't know where she is either,
28:24
Speaker 1: this is horrible, will help you. Look, they didn't do
28:26
Speaker 1: any of that, And I'll tell you something else Cassie
28:28
Speaker 1: didn't do. She says she's in Orlando on vacation. When
28:32
Speaker 1: the detective calls her, she waited till after dinner to
28:36
Speaker 1: call him back because she said, oh, we were eating dinner,
28:38
Speaker 1: so I called him after that, no urgency. So you're
28:41
Speaker 1: telling me a detective called you about your future sister
28:46
Speaker 1: in law who you supposedly love like a sister that's missing,
28:49
Speaker 1: and you didn't call your mama immediately, and you didn't
28:52
Speaker 1: call Brian immediately. I'm gonna tell you I'm calling bs
28:55
Speaker 1: on Cassie again because you knew, because you knew what
29:01
Speaker 1: it was about. It's not that you're eating your chicken
29:06
Speaker 1: tenders at a Mickey mouse House. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
29:27
Speaker 1: we are analyzing word for word everything in this so
29:31
Speaker 1: called sister act that Cassie Laundry has stated. And it
29:37
Speaker 1: seemed very spontaneous when she came out and addressed the
29:41
Speaker 1: crowd of people that were outside her door. She said,
29:44
Speaker 1: making her children cry, was its spontaneous doctor Angela Arnold.
29:49
Speaker 1: You don't think she went over everything she was going
29:51
Speaker 1: to say with her husband before they went out. You
29:53
Speaker 1: don't think she discussed it with her parents or that
29:55
Speaker 1: lawyer that where everybody told her to clam up. And
29:59
Speaker 1: it's interesting also how she's giving. She gives little pieces
30:02
Speaker 1: of things like, oh, we're not even supposed to be
30:05
Speaker 1: talking to you because the FBI, you know, the FBI
30:09
Speaker 1: might know things and y'all don't need to know them,
30:12
Speaker 1: and we shouldn't even be talking to you. And I
30:14
Speaker 1: also heard her husband say in that footage, we can't
30:18
Speaker 1: even hear y'all in the house. We don't even hear
30:20
Speaker 1: y'all in the house. And I'm like, why are you
30:22
Speaker 1: saying that. She's saying that the kids are upset? Yeah,
30:25
Speaker 1: you're right, I want you to hear something that I
30:28
Speaker 1: think Michael Ruise and Sheryl McCollum pointed out our cut
30:32
Speaker 1: two forty eight. I'd also like to say that not
30:36
Speaker 1: to upset mister you know any further what, I did
30:40
Speaker 1: not get any phone calls from him in the days
30:42
Speaker 1: prior to the September eleven. September eleven, I checked my
30:45
Speaker 1: phone records. I don't see any maybe have the wrong
30:48
Speaker 1: so I was not ignoring his phone balls. I get them. Interesting.
30:53
Speaker 1: She goes to great pains to defend herself. Guys, we
30:56
Speaker 1: were talking about the whereabouts of Brian Lowry. Straight back
30:58
Speaker 1: to Michael Ruise, Fox News Digital in US to get
31:02
Speaker 1: a reporter joining us. He is at Mike our Reports
31:05
Speaker 1: on Twitter. Michael, what more do you think we learn
31:10
Speaker 1: from sister Cassie when she goes out to speak to
31:13
Speaker 1: tick Talker's Well, you know another thing that this is
31:16
Speaker 1: a little bit of a sad aspect to this story.
31:19
Speaker 1: She did say her children, right, so who would have
31:22
Speaker 1: been Gabby's you know, nieces and nephews in the future.
31:26
Speaker 1: They learned about her death only through the protests on Saturday,
31:29
Speaker 1: which it's a little bit heartbreaking when you hear her
31:31
Speaker 1: say that to these people, and it's just but as
31:35
Speaker 1: as we just pointed out, they said that they couldn't
31:38
Speaker 1: hear the protesters from inside the house. So which part
31:42
Speaker 1: of that is true? I mean, did the children hear
31:44
Speaker 1: that from protesters or can they not hear what's going
31:46
Speaker 1: on outside? I mean it raises a lot of questions
31:49
Speaker 1: about As I said earlier, it's so many more questions
31:52
Speaker 1: than answers here, So there's a lot. There's a lot
31:54
Speaker 1: to unpack and a lot to look into. I hate
31:56
Speaker 1: when reporters say that more questions than answers, But actually,
31:59
Speaker 1: Michael Away, you're right, who's jumping in, Wendy Patrick, go ahead.
32:02
Speaker 1: One thing that I would point out that I thought
32:05
Speaker 1: was significant if I were round tabling, this is what
32:08
Speaker 1: Gabby didn't as what you have Cassie not talking about,
32:11
Speaker 1: which is prior domestic violence. So you wonder and if
32:14
Speaker 1: I were round tabling this, I would say, have there
32:16
Speaker 1: been a time in the past or the two separated
32:18
Speaker 1: and they took a time out and maybe Brian came
32:21
Speaker 1: back to the house without Gabby. But you'll notice nobody
32:23
Speaker 1: is talking about that. That would be an explanation for
32:27
Speaker 1: why a silence, period of silence wasn't questioned, especially given
32:30
Speaker 1: the information about this plain flight. Well, you're right, and
32:33
Speaker 1: she did mention it. Take a listen to our two
32:36
Speaker 1: forty four. Have you ever seen Brian hit Gabby? Have
32:40
Speaker 1: you ever seen him fight? No? Have you seen him
32:43
Speaker 1: any woman? You know I've never seen him, and you
32:47
Speaker 1: know that we talked about the neighbors. We camp as
32:50
Speaker 1: campus in your parents neighborhood. They've heard screams coming out
32:53
Speaker 1: of your parents' house many on multiple looking parents scream
32:58
Speaker 1: know what to tell you about our kids lived there
33:00
Speaker 1: for a year. Oh you lived at the home in
33:06
Speaker 1: New York? Have you never seen him fight? No? Arguing them.
33:09
Speaker 1: So what you're hearing is Cassie Laundry addressing questions had
33:14
Speaker 1: there been prior domestic violence? And she's basically saying, Hey,
33:17
Speaker 1: I didn't live there, so I don't really know, but
33:21
Speaker 1: that no, she had never and we have to keep
33:23
Speaker 1: in mind she had not been living in that home,
33:26
Speaker 1: isn't that right, Michael Ruise for a period of years,
33:29
Speaker 1: Michael joining us at Mike All Reports on Twitter. Correct. So, well,
33:33
Speaker 1: that's a little muddy. I think what I got from
33:35
Speaker 1: that exchange there is that she she said she did
33:37
Speaker 1: live with them for a short period in the in
33:40
Speaker 1: the parents' home on Wassabo Avenue or Wasbaso Avenue um
33:45
Speaker 1: for a few months while the parents from the neighbors.
33:48
Speaker 1: I was told that the parents bought the house but
33:50
Speaker 1: didn't move in right away because Roberta was undergoing medical
33:53
Speaker 1: treatments back in New York and in that in a
33:55
Speaker 1: little bit of that timeframe. Uh, the children lived there,
33:59
Speaker 1: so Cassie and Ryan lived there with their significant others,
34:02
Speaker 1: and I guess there was a tiny bit of overlap,
34:04
Speaker 1: tiny bit of overlap. You're actually correct again, Michael Luis.
34:09
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Why were there so many
34:11
Speaker 1: nine one one calls to the laundry home? Now that's
34:15
Speaker 1: another good question. A lot of the information we got
34:17
Speaker 1: has been redacted, but we know basically since this story
34:20
Speaker 1: became public, they've been calling nine one one a lot.
34:23
Speaker 1: And it's been on protesters, it's been on parking on
34:25
Speaker 1: the street. When Dog the bounty hunter showed up and
34:27
Speaker 1: knocked on their door, they called nine one one for
34:30
Speaker 1: some reason. So there they seem to be in touch
34:33
Speaker 1: with the authorities a lot when they want to be,
34:37
Speaker 1: and when Gabby is missing and Brian is missing, you know,
34:40
Speaker 1: maybe they're not reaching out as much. So to you.
34:43
Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, forensics expert, what is your take on
34:48
Speaker 1: what we learned from the sister in our so called
34:50
Speaker 1: Sister Act. As she goes out we think spontaneously to
34:55
Speaker 1: speak to protesters. Is it planned? Is it not planned?
35:00
Speaker 1: And where do you believe Brian Laundry is Now when
35:04
Speaker 1: I see her Nancy and I saw her out on
35:06
Speaker 1: the lawn, I saw anger. They're both her and her
35:10
Speaker 1: spouse are out there self soothing. They've got their arms
35:13
Speaker 1: tightly to themselves. Take a look at the video. They're
35:16
Speaker 1: kind of rubbing themselves, you know, out there trying to
35:19
Speaker 1: self soothe a lot like the person one of the
35:22
Speaker 1: people you probably despised most on this planet is Chris
35:25
Speaker 1: Watts when he stood out on the porch and was
35:26
Speaker 1: self soothing. Do you remember that, certainly standing there and
35:30
Speaker 1: they she's furious, And you know what, as an investigator,
35:34
Speaker 1: I gotta say she is the weak point in the
35:38
Speaker 1: armor if I am trying to information link. Yeah, she's
35:45
Speaker 1: the chink. I would apply pressure to her as from
35:49
Speaker 1: an investigative standpoint, because now there is a crack of light.
35:52
Speaker 1: She has information they're holding onto. And let me tell
35:55
Speaker 1: you one more thing. I don't believe that there is
35:58
Speaker 1: a lack of awareness of any kind of in fighting.
36:00
Speaker 1: I think that there is awareness, and I think that
36:03
Speaker 1: there was there are things that have been going on
36:05
Speaker 1: within that family. I was, you know, I took a
36:08
Speaker 1: look at images from do you remember the dune trip
36:11
Speaker 1: where they were they were, you know, kind of taking
36:14
Speaker 1: the boards down the dunes. There's a there's a freeze
36:17
Speaker 1: frame there if you take a look, and I'd love
36:19
Speaker 1: just to say this about Gabby real quick, her right shoulder.
36:24
Speaker 1: They're resolving bruises there that I can pick up on
36:27
Speaker 1: that I actually saw there. They're multiple resolving bruises on
36:31
Speaker 1: her right shoulder blade and one of those freeze frames
36:34
Speaker 1: off of Twitter where they're cruising down and everybody's laughing,
36:37
Speaker 1: where'd they come from? Because this predates all the trips
36:41
Speaker 1: to Utah and then eventually to Wyoming. You know, how
36:44
Speaker 1: does this young lady get these bruises on her right
36:46
Speaker 1: shoulder blade and they're healing and I'm really wondering what
36:50
Speaker 1: else was going on here? And when these autopsy results
36:53
Speaker 1: come out, these things will have been explored. They will
36:57
Speaker 1: have been explored, and maybe we'll have some explanations and
37:00
Speaker 1: see if I may, if I may jump in real quickly.
37:02
Speaker 1: There's been this constant discrepancy since the beginning of this story.
37:07
Speaker 1: First who was called her boyfriend? Then he was called
37:09
Speaker 1: her fiance, then he was called her boyfriend something. Those
37:14
Speaker 1: titles are indicative that something was going on. What about it,
37:18
Speaker 1: Michael Luise, hadn't they called off their engagement before they
37:21
Speaker 1: went on the trip. Yeah, I don't know if it
37:23
Speaker 1: was before they went off the trip or early on
37:25
Speaker 1: in the trip. And it is a little bit confusing here,
37:28
Speaker 1: and we have her the titles being kind of used
37:31
Speaker 1: interchangeably here, but her parents did say they kind of
37:34
Speaker 1: minimize which title was being used early on in the investigation. So,
37:40
Speaker 1: you know, maybe they were a couple going through some issues,
37:42
Speaker 1: but they were they were certainly still a couple. How
37:45
Speaker 1: long had they known each other? What was their relationship
37:47
Speaker 1: when they were in grammar school and middle school? Michael, so,
37:50
Speaker 1: grammar school and middle school. I'm not sure that they met.
37:53
Speaker 1: I'm the information that I've gotten from the family and
37:55
Speaker 1: from uh, you know, some some people who grew up
37:58
Speaker 1: with them that they met in high school at Bayport
38:01
Speaker 1: Flopoint High School on Long Island and they started dating
38:04
Speaker 1: after they graduated, so they were, you know, they were
38:06
Speaker 1: young adults when they began dating, but they had already
38:08
Speaker 1: graduated high school. But they did go to school together
38:10
Speaker 1: at the same time, and you know, they did know
38:12
Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, this is this is why I was
38:14
Speaker 1: asking this is Wendy about the on again, off again,
38:16
Speaker 1: the potential areas where they may have not talked or
38:20
Speaker 1: broken up and gotten back together if there had been
38:22
Speaker 1: gaps like that in the past. I just wondered if
38:25
Speaker 1: that might not be at least something the defense would
38:27
Speaker 1: argue would be an explanation for why it wouldn't have
38:30
Speaker 1: been totally out of the ordinary to take that period
38:32
Speaker 1: of separation, especially because they have, when pressed, only when pressed,
38:37
Speaker 1: admitted the domestic violence. And then this issue with the
38:40
Speaker 1: titles that also calls into question whether or not they'd
38:43
Speaker 1: broken up in the past, and whether returning without her
38:46
Speaker 1: would have raised the red flags that we'd believe it
38:48
Speaker 1: should have. What about it, Cheryl jump in, Nancy, I'm
38:52
Speaker 1: going to go back to his sister one more time. Okay.
38:55
Speaker 1: When she says, I checked my phone records, Okay, really,
38:59
Speaker 1: you got to go back through your phone records to
39:01
Speaker 1: see whether or not you've got a miscall from this man.
39:03
Speaker 1: The reality is her family was also posting all over
39:06
Speaker 1: social media. There ain't no way she missed it. There
39:10
Speaker 1: ain't no way she didn't know. I called BS for
39:13
Speaker 1: the fourth time on this sister Okay, what are your
39:16
Speaker 1: four BS calls? Well, that she didn't know that, she
39:20
Speaker 1: didn't get a call from the dad, that she didn't
39:22
Speaker 1: have any conversation with anybody at the campsite, that Brian
39:26
Speaker 1: just came over on September first, and it was quote
39:29
Speaker 1: a normal visit. And I'll tell you something else she
39:31
Speaker 1: said in that little statement, she said they came over
39:33
Speaker 1: and there mustang. So now we know it wasn't Brian's Mustang,
39:39
Speaker 1: his parents mustang. They parked it, they planted it, they
39:43
Speaker 1: sent another red herring. She's nothing but a red herring.
39:46
Speaker 1: But she sees what's coming down. She knows they're only
39:51
Speaker 1: protecting Brian, they're not protecting her. So she best get
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Speaker 1: to talking. I'm telling you so. Michael ruis joining our
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Speaker 1: Spots and News, a digital investigative reporter at Mike R.
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Speaker 1: Roberts on Twitter, Michael, what about the search at Carlton Reserve?
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Speaker 1: Is it over? And what about the search at De
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Speaker 1: Soto is it over? Well, the search at Carlton Reserve
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Speaker 1: was still going on yesterday. It's definitely scaled down, you
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Speaker 1: know from what we saw with the huge show of
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Speaker 1: force early on in the search. But they're still looking
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Speaker 1: through there, and the water levels have gone down significantly,
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Speaker 1: which exposes more areas for them to search a little
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Speaker 1: bit easier, so they are looking there. I'm not sure
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Speaker 1: what they're gonna find at Fort to Soto. I know
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Speaker 1: dog is on a hunt over there, and he's had
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Speaker 1: private canine units with him and they're following up on
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Speaker 1: leads over there. But I've also talked to locals, especially
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Speaker 1: fisherman and you know, charter captains in the area, who say, look,
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Speaker 1: this place is a little bit difficult to hide out, Like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: he could have come here for a day or two,
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Speaker 1: maybe camped out, and then use it as a jumping
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Speaker 1: off point to get somewhere else. But so many people
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Speaker 1: go to that beach on the weekends that it'd be
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Speaker 1: it'd be tough to kind of remain hidden. You know.
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Speaker 1: The thing that I noticed And Michael Louise, anybody jump in. Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: you were talking about the sisters saying, I didn't get
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Speaker 1: any calls from her father, Well what about her mother?
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Speaker 1: She very carefully said, I didn't get any calls from
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Speaker 1: her father? What about her mother? And what about her stepfather?
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Speaker 1: What about anybody? Yeah, she's very careful when She talks,
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Speaker 1: but she does tell on herself. Just like when I
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Speaker 1: said weeks ago, she said Gabby was like a sister,
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Speaker 1: and then she stops. She doesn't say she was like
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Speaker 1: a sister to me. She stopped short again. She never
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Speaker 1: one time looked for She never one time looked in
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Speaker 1: the reserve for her brother. She knows they're not missing.
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. That reward is now up
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Speaker 1: to one hundred and eighty thousand dollars, and the search
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Speaker 1: for so called boyfriend Brian Laundry tipline one eight hundred,
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Speaker 1: call FBI one eight hundred two two five five three
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Speaker 1: two or goodbye friend