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Latterman · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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It's Deprogram, the podcast where we try to get you into a
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band. That's right.
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We've done all the work for you. All you have to do is push play.
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My name is Justin and I like to learn about new bands, new
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musicians, and I get my friends together to talk about these
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musicians. And the result of that will be a
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top 10 starter kit for you to get into a band, right?
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You could call me band curious. That's what I like to say.
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But you know what? I'm I'm going to go direct here.
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Sometimes we have too many emo days and today might be one of
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those. John, we are talking about
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Ladderman and I have to again presume, and this is awesome.
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It feels like we're getting a let it a lot of these off off
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the the board lately. A band that you kind of threw up
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a long, long time ago. Yeah, we're getting there.
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And I'm I'm glad to probably probably done eighty of these by
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now. And we're getting to like like
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this is a band that my old band played with like we were
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friends. And that's that's a good feeling
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to get to like. And this is probably one of the
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most obscure, you know, underground bands that
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deprogrammed has ever done. Like they were never on even a a
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big medium sized record label. Their records are hard to find
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and they, they were only around for years, but in that time they
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really like, were very influential as, as much as like
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a late 90s band could be. I think like when they came out,
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it was kind of like this, this rejuvenation.
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Like here's this band that's like positive and like young and
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exciting and like they, they, they backed it up.
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They talked to all the right things, like the, the songs are
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catchy, fun to sing along to scream along to.
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And, you know, they're from Long Island.
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And there was like a pretty good scene back then in the late 90s.
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Like my band got to play with, with a bunch of bands from
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there. And they were all really good.
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And but Letterman always felt like the best of that group.
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And like they kind of became, you know, they, they've reunited
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and at different points in the last 10 or 15 years and it's
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always been like really positive and really exciting.
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And like they influenced a whole like generation of kids.
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I think like them and against me, I think were the 2 around
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that era that like really when I, I really thought like these
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bands are going to change the world.
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Like this is, this is something that it's, it's you know, it's
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easy for kids to latch onto. Their shows were super fun.
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And I'm just, I'm super stoked to talk about it because it
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brought back a bunch of really good memories.
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So. I think if I recall correctly,
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Chris, there was a night like on after the fact where half of the
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after the fact it's just you telling me which which John
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episodes you wanted to sign up for and I think.
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I gotta go find that one. I think this is I think this is
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that one or is one of those with John on the episode maybe I
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can't remember if it was like the three of us or if it was
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with Randy or, you know, I feel like.
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When it's Randy, we do a lot of more baseball talk.
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Yeah, it's always a. Mess, It's always a mess, but
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but I I'm pretty sure that's how it went down.
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Is is you kind of just went through the list and you saw
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these bands and signed up for it.
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So talk to me about Ladderman. Yeah, I've been legitimately my
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childhood grew up in Brooklyn. These guys were only you're
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older than me, for the most part.
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Phil's a year older than me. I assume they all went to high
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school together. I went to as many of their shows
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as I possibly could. The the scene was absolutely
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alive to John's point and the reunite there's the reunion
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shows have been great. I had great run insurance with
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these guys over my life in the scene, just playing music
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locally in New York and even better as grown-ups, just to see
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how well all their careers have gone.
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You know, Maddie doing Reviver and Phil and doing Iron Sheik.
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And now, like Iron Sheik has guys in the band that were in
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bands with me growing up and, like, it's just awesome.
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Genuinely, every band since Ladderman has been trying to
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sound like Ladderman, whether they know it or not.
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And that's pretty crazy. Like, literally my buddies and I
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have an inside joke of what's your favorite Ladderman?
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Like, we actually asked people that.
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Yeah. Just really stoked, like like to
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talk about it for real. I think the story here goes that
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after our last one, David, we kind of roped you into this one.
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I, you know, I don't know that you didn't.
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I'll say it wasn't a hard sell. You said, yeah, sure, if if I'm
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correct. But so talk to me about
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Ladderman. Is this, was this a band you
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were familiar with going in and we just kind of roped you in, or
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was this one you wanted to do anyway?
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Well, I just like hanging out with you guys.
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OK, I've got a a cursory knowledge of this band, so I'm
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almost like a a Justin Part 2 for this episode, which I don't
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know if that's that's normal to have or not.
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I think that it's kind of a fun a fun experience.
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I I love Iron Sheik and so, you know, going going backwards, you
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know, there, there's obvious Sonic connections there aside
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from just the band members. And so it was pretty easy to to
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to latch on to this. All their songs are great just
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to go ahead and I'll go ahead and tell you that everything
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I've heard fucking rules. Not a dud that that I've heard
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on any of their albums, but yeah, I, I until we, we started
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doing the episode or getting ready for the episode, I didn't
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really know anything by them, not intentionally at least.
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And to to Chris's point, my old band, their songs off of our
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first couple of albums that I mean, they, they sound like we
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were sitting around listening to fucking Ladderman and I had
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never heard a song by them. So and I, I don't ever recall
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the dudes in my band really talking about them.
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So yeah, they somehow their sound, whether it was in in
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directly influential or some other band that influenced us.
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I mean, you can hear it if you go, if you go or have been to
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any fest, I mean any any show where where there's some punk
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band playing in the crowds just screaming along.
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I mean, that's what these guys sound like, you know?
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I mean, it's it's it's really great.
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And yeah, I'm, I'm pretty excited to see what songs I
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picked versus Chris and John, who have a a lot more experience
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with these guys. Yeah, welcome, welcome to my
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world friend. Like that's that's me.
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But it does excite me to hear all this because I've I've
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covered a couple of my friends bands like very early on in the
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show, the sick man of Virginia, Ugliography, to name a few.
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Car seat headrest like it's, it is neat when you you know the
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artist and it is it does add an extra layer of of is this artist
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going to going to listen to this episode?
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Like that'd be kind of cool. So I, you know, like it's
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happening. I mean, it's happened.
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Like I can't remember the artist now, but one of the Aussie
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panels, one of those artists actually heard our episode,
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which was pretty cool. But it's awesome.
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This is, you know, obviously a band I'd never heard of.
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You know, it's almost always that nowadays for me.
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So it's it's like a a clean sheet for me.
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But like you, you go into this and shortly after, shortly after
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John has the the playlist ready to go.
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It's like an hour 48, I think it's like not long 32 songs,
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something like that. So I mean, already we're at the
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disadvantage of we only get 15 songs here, John.
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Like does that make it harder or or is it easier to kind of round
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down to 15? It wasn't too bad.
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I mean, we again you've we're again find ourselves in that
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situation where we have a beloved classic first album that
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it's hard to cut anything from. And the other, the other two
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aren't bad at all as well. So that made it a little tough.
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But again, the you know, the math works out.
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You're getting to pick almost 50% of the songs.
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So you can you can make some choices there and it'll it'll be
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OK. But you know, I'm there's still
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going to be some that I that I think we're going to, we're
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going to hurt that I don't have what?
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Do you think Chris like that? Was this something that you was
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painstaking for you to put together?
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No, it was pretty easy. I, I, I think that like this one
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of those bands were like there's like 3 or 4 songs that we'd be
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totally wrong to not have on there and then that it's really
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dealer's choice after that. I, I think like they're super
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consistent. It's just three full lengths
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available to us right now, right?
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There's, there's other assorted songs on 7 inches in their first
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demo, which I realized I'd never listened to until now.
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I, I don't know how I never listened to it.
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I I think it wasn't that hard because I kind of already knew
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10 off the top of my head and then just listen to listen to
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Turn up the Punk and listen to We're Still Alive, which I
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didn't know as well as a matter where we go and was like, yeah,
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that's a good one. I remember that one.
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It was kind of like that super. Is that super simple?
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So here's where where I'm interested in like you kind of
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had to take the approach that I kind of do where well, actually,
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I guess I should ask you like I'm assuming that you could, but
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but you're in the same mind space, at least that I am going
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into this. So like what what, what's your
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framework here for for what you're bringing to the dance?
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Well, I just, I listen to each album one by one first and and
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then I just put them all together and shuffled and
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whichever ones popped up in my head where or when they would
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pop up on my Spotify, if I was driving somewhere or running or
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whatever, I'd go, oh, this song fucking rules.
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That's right. OK, well, you know, let's make a
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mark here. And I just kept doing that and
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it was really easy to fill the 15.
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So once again, there's not a bad song.
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I mean, I, I, there wasn't anything that I was like, fuck,
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skip this piece of shit, you know?
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I mean, it's they're consistent and you know very, very well.
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I, I, you know that words come up twice now.
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Consistent. Yeah, absolutely.
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I, I want to reiterate, not a bad song here.
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Like 32 bangers like that. That is going to make gameplay a
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little murky. And if the band is listening, I
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don't want you to take offense. It it honestly, we talk about
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this a lot like it. It hurts while you're playing
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it, but like honestly, usually when there's that many misses,
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it just means that the the roster's deep.
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Like there's there's a lot of songs that could go and play and
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that would be my only worry here.
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Like I feel like because there's 32, like I feel like we're we're
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going to accidentally, you know, hit all of us on on some
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probably have a lot of threes. But John, what do you think?
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Like it's, it's, it's, it could get murky.
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Like kind of like we did botch the other day, Like it could, it
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could get murky or we could kill it.
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What do you think? In In the spirit of of being
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positive and and Laderman, I'm going to say 7.
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OK. I like that we think, Chris.
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Oh. Y'all did botch.
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I'm excited to listen to that. I I agree, I think that like I
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said, there's, there's what most certainly 5 songs that have to
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be there in my opinion. So the seven's good.
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I'm going to take the under with six.
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OK, All right. See this is this is the pressure
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that we feel here, David. Like, like, 'cause we're going
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to be the wrenches probably. What do you think?
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We've got a 7 and a six out there.
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I'm going to go for the, the the Justin aligned for for this one,
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not because of anything other than my lack of experience.
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I'm really interested. I've picked one.
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I always do, whether it like factors in or not.
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I, I always pick one that I think is going to be the like
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big, big home run. And so I did that.
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Normally it's pretty glaring, but in this particular scenario,
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I couldn't quite narrow it down as far as what the other guys
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would think. But I mean, I have mine and so I
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have one circle that we'll see if it's if it's the one.
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If it's not, that's OK. But yeah, I'm going to go with
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four. OK, now you put me in a spot
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because Chris has already said he feels like there's at least
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there should be at least 5, which again, with two people new
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to the band, could be, could be right, could be wrong.
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And that five is sitting there waiting for me.
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Do I want the pressure of if we do hit the five, I'll take the
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five. It's there.
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It's it's there. It's been brought up a couple
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times here. So I'm going to take the five.
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If you end up, if you end up getting it, we'll just bully you
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into taking what we want you to take.
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I mean, you know, you know, knock me over with a feather as
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it goes. So we're going to take a quick
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pause and on the other side of it, we are going to play the
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game. It's the program, Jack.
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And with that, the name of the game is deprogrammed.
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The four of us have come through the Ladderman discography and
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plucked out 15 songs that we're now going to mash together in an
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attempt to create a top ten circuit for you.
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In case you have never given Ladderman the time of day.
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And I can't go anywhere but here, you guys have played this
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game enough. You know probably exactly where
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I'm going. Probably 9 times out of 10 I go
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here. Tell me exactly what you are
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right off the jump and I am going to love your band.
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And Laderman does that really well.
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How about my dreams? Wait, hold on, I can't read my
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own writing. That would help.
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Scroll up My dreams about not my dreams about not sleeping until
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3:00 PM. Yes, it's on there.
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Oh yeah. Yeah, what we need around here
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is positive people. There we go, There we go.
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All right, off to a great start. Yeah, next time I will write
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clearer so I don't have to embarrass myself like that.
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I will say this is one of those bands with like paragraphs for
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names and you know, I don't mind it.
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I don't mind. It's all inside codes, yeah.
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I don't mind it except for when I'm writing my list down on
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paper. Like I hate that when when
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that's. At all of mine have ellipses.
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Every single one. Oh, there you go.
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There's there's set lists were hilarious looking.
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I remember it was all like one letter of the word.
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Yeah, yeah, like it would be. It'd be like DGAMZDG to the.
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And you just got to know it, all right?
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Yeah. One down, John, where you want
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to go. All right, so that last song, My
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Dreams About Not Sleeping has a lyric.
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The the revolution in video games distracts me from the real
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thing. And I think that was maybe taken
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by by some people is like, hey, Letterman doesn't like video
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games. So I think I remember they they
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decided to rebut that with another song on a different
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album. And I'm gonna pick that song.
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Video games and fantasy novels are fucking awesome.
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Oh man, no, I've. Got it.
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I've got it too, yeah. OK, OK, cool.
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A three is great there. Yeah, that's that nice mid tempo
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little jammer there. Yeah.
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That feels like the exact kind of three that we're going to get
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a probably a lot. Of that, that was a lot.
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That was a live staple, too. Yeah, see, that's just me not
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knowing the band, but David figured it out, so.
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All right, Chris. So I'll, I'll go with a song
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that meant a lot to me growing up.
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Doom, Doom Doom. Yes, Sir.
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Oh yeah. Yep.
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Hey. Oh yeah, that was that was the
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opener. Speaking of set like, songs were
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always in the set. Yeah, it's got little bells in
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it. Yeah, I love that one.
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Was like cool. When that second album came out,
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it was like, oh, can they, can they do it again?
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You know, like is it, is it going to be, is it going to be
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another classic? And that first song comes on,
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you like, yeah, it's great. I remember all like the 2
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reunion shows they played God I want to say like 20-18 in 20 no
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or maybe early, maybe like 2017 in Brooklyn.
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That was the caption to every post I made was we got to get
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out of these boxes. I put that like on every post.
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Nice. You know what's great Chris?
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Like Doom, Doom. Doom was the one out, I was
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eyeballing if I win, so yeah, yeah.
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I mean, whatever, like it got in so it doesn't matter.
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But 1234? I think, I think that was not a
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bunch. That was on a bunch of comps
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too. I think like the label was
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pushing that song a lot. All right, David.
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How about God? Normally I'm I'm so good at
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this. So now it's like uncharted
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territory here. How about for someone so
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easygoing, you sure wear pants a lot?
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I don't. I thought I did.
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What? Oh, that's that's an absolute.
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I don't either. Yeah, I I thought I would have
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that, but I don't it, it wasn't even a cut.
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So that's that's on me. So when you first jumped on
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David, I told you like, you know, I don't know why I do the
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the pre playlist or pre show playlist anymore 'cause like as
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I'm listening to it, I always feel like I made a mistake.
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Yeah, that's the song I was talking about.
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It's got shred solo in it man. Yeah, I I got to that.
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Whoever. How do I not have this?
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What? Do they have to play?
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It has it has the chorus of all their friends, like, you know,
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yeah, yeah. Strength is always there.
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That's so good. Try to pick out like, who's
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singing? You said was there 2 guitars You
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said. Yeah, they have.
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They have two two guitar players.
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Phil, Phil and Mike will play guitar on that record, yeah.
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There's I don't know how consistent their their lineup
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was, but. It sounds like 1 member.
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That's it the whole time. It sounds like one guy on guitar
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can fucking shred his ass off as far as, like, you know, category
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punk rock is concerned. You like you like Iron Chic.
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You might recognize the risk. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I could.
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I could deal with the the nice like melodic arpeggio shit.
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Yeah, yeah. You know, I mean it's.
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It's a great trick. He's been doing it for a long.
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Time. Hey, if it ain't broke, don't.
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Don't try to fix it, you know? I if if it sounded like a
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criticism, you got me wrong. It's great.
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It's so good. All right, I can't really get AI
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mean. It feels like we're we're going
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to get a lot of groans no matter where anybody goes, you know, So
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let me try. I mean, I already mentioned it
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in the intro. How about too many emo days?
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Oh yeah, I got it. That was my second cut.
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I, I, I actually ended up at 19 my first time.
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That was the second song. I actually kept the cuts in
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order, so I know. Yeah, I I don't have that one
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all. Right, another two.
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That's interesting. I didn't see a lot of twos
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coming, but I guess that's the four person panel showing
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itself. That is a great song.
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Like, genuinely awesome song all.
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Right, John. This one is another really like
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good nostalgia one for me. Brought back a lot of good
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memories because the person mentioned in the song is awesome
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and their band was awesome. We got to hang out with them a
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little bit back in the day and just super positive, super cool
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person. Band was awesome.
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An Ode to John Contra Part 2, I. Got it.
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Fuck yeah. Yeah, got it.
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Nice. Shout out to John.
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He has to be there. Tell the story, man.
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Yeah, like there, there was a band Contra, like a political
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hardcore band from Long Island around the same time.
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We used to play shows with them, set up shows for them here.
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Like they stayed at my apartment.
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I ended up I think played NCA football with with John one
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night, like back and forth when when we went up to Long Island,
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he took us to the Tower Records, reworked and like showed us
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around. Like super cool dude, super
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positive. Nothing but good memories.
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That's cool. Like it's cool that you have a
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memory tied to that, and that's what brought it to the dance for
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you. But the three of us all found it
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too, including two people who've never found, never knew the
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band. Yeah, I would not have expected
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that to be a unanimous. That's pretty neat.
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Oh. That sounds amazing man.
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Yeah. I I actually considered that to
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be one that I would have been shocked if we didn't get.
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Cool all. Right.
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Hell yeah. Do you have?
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Do you have that Contra record? Do you have their record?
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No, no, I'm gonna have to check it out.
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I I never knew what the what the name, what the title was
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referencing. So good they do the on the on
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the LP version they cover the theme from Zelda and it's so
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good that. Rules.
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Yeah. All right, Chris.
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So let's go We we were just talking about whether they
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changed members or not. So they they they got Brian
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Crozier to play guitar on We are still alive.
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Like Mike left, I think to go play with Laura Stevenson or he
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was might have been doing something else before that.
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I or do I have that wrong? No, I think so.
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So we'll go from that record with the other with the one
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member they changed, which is so awesome.
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Not many things you can say that I'll do.
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Water mains, water mains, God, water mains.
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At the end, blocks end, Yeah. At the blocks end, yeah.
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I got it. Oh yeah.
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No, not. Right.
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OK. We'll take a three there.
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Also has bells at the beginning, so I guess that's just what I'm
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doing. 1-2 and three. All right, David.
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All right, let's see, how about once again just wildly swinging
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here? How about there's never a reason
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not to party? No, Hell yeah all.
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Right, that's a 2. No, yeah, I'm OK.
25:40
What happened? Oh, really?
25:42
OK, Yeah, that, that's great song.
25:47
All right. You you picked 2 songs that were
25:48
on a bunch of comps by the way dude.
25:51
All right. Yeah, That was also.
25:53
That was also when I was on a bunch of comps.
25:57
Yeah, that's fucking good. Yeah.
25:59
If I had discovered these guys back in like the early 2000s
26:02
when they were, you know, actually doing stuff, this would
26:05
have probably been one of my fucking favorite man's.
26:08
Oh yeah, like they, they played Athens a bunch, man.
26:11
Like you, probably just a little too young.
26:14
Yeah, I'm sure. Well, I mean, I, I started going
26:17
to shows in like 2002 and you know.
26:21
There, that might be when the record came out.
26:23
That actually might be the year the record came out.
26:25
Let me. See, no, I think by that time,
26:28
like 2005, 2005, it was like, but that OK, yeah, the CD came
26:33
out early. Like they they played like it
26:36
was like 99, 2002, 1001. They played a bunch, yeah.
26:41
But the that song is actually also on the original demo, which
26:45
was 2000. So that song actually predates
26:47
it, even though the CD was not as good later.
26:50
Yeah. Well, I'm going to read a
26:53
paragraph now that's also a song title.
26:56
There's no way punk was meant to be done, you clown doctor.
27:05
Yeah, that one I do have. I have it too.
27:08
Yeah, yeah, me too. That fully that fully answered
27:11
my lexicon too. I've sick found doctor since
27:13
then. I just like this the statement
27:18
there, There is no way punk is meant to be done.
27:21
Like, you know, there's a way you can prefer it as somebody
27:24
who listens to punk, but but punk is really more an attitude
27:29
like, you know, again, I don't know, that's maybe that's more
27:33
existential than than this is supposed to be.
27:37
Maybe I'm reading far too far too in it.
27:39
You you're nailing it man cuz like Ladderman's whole thing was
27:42
like curating culture and the scenes and the spaces they were
27:45
in. Positivity, man.
27:47
Like that's yeah. Every time I listen to this it
27:49
just it always puts me in a good mood like there's there's always
27:54
like it whatever you whenever you feeling depressed, where
27:56
you're feeling down like put him on put on that first record.
27:59
Put on this playlist on shuffle, like, yeah, it just, it's puts
28:02
me in a good mood. It gets me like thinking
28:04
positive thoughts again. They sound like they're having
28:08
so much fun playing it. It doesn't sound like it's like
28:10
any kind of Labor. It's just like, yeah, check this
28:13
shit out. It's awesome and we love it and
28:16
God, I bet live. It was just incredible.
28:19
Oh yeah, the amazing. And like similar.
28:22
I mean, you know, I mentioned Against Me earlier, they were
28:24
kind of the two bands that were kind of carrying the punk flag,
28:28
you know, during this time. And Against Me did the same
28:32
thing where like, you wouldn't listen to records.
28:34
It would be like, it sounded like a party.
28:35
Like all their friends were there.
28:36
Like they'd be, you'd have these Dang like screaming vocals, man.
28:40
Like you'd be like, God, it sounds so much fun.
28:43
Like I want to be there. I want to I want to be part of
28:45
this. That's why I like Padfoot.
28:49
They're they're from here, they they do a lot of gang.
28:51
Yeah, that's cool. All right, so that was me.
28:55
John, you're up. OK, let's see, how about if
29:04
Batman was real? He would have beaten the crap
29:05
out of my friends. Fucking hell no.
29:11
I don't have it. I got it.
29:13
Let's see. That's great song, OK.
29:16
Take that too. All right, Chris.
29:23
Let's do a real classic. You guys want to talk about gang
29:27
vocals? It's doing My bedroom is like
29:29
for artists. Yes.
29:31
Hell yeah. That was #16.
29:37
Really. You.
29:38
Got that? Yeah.
29:39
That's crazy. You are.
29:41
You are so cool, man. That's crazy.
29:47
Damn. All right.
29:49
You know a three is. That's like, that's also the
29:51
tune. Oh, sorry.
29:52
Good. I was just going to say a 3 is
29:53
really good on a four person panel, but.
29:57
For sure, but that's that's the tune that like kind of like was
30:00
the the reframing of the ethos. Like Mattie Joe had a lot of
30:05
issues with like Mead heads at the shows not really
30:08
understanding the message of the band and this song, like I don't
30:11
really know if I can think of an earlier song that like calls out
30:15
white privilege. I really don't know if I can and
30:20
like there. There are some.
30:21
Oh, no, Like I for me, yeah, for me.
30:24
Like I can't remember. No, if I ever heard anything
30:26
earlier, you know what I mean? I had, I remember having to
30:28
learn what that meant, you know what I mean?
30:31
Just just a monumental tune for me and the like, my forming
30:36
like, like this record, like turn the I'm not sorry, not turn
30:40
the punk no matter where we go. And like let's talk more rock by
30:43
Propagandi like pretty much taught me how to be a grown up
30:47
weirdly. And this one was from
30:48
contemporaries to me. They were the same age as me.
30:50
And I mean like. That's pretty cool.
30:54
Get to 3. So it's still very much alive,
30:58
David. OK, let's go with.
31:03
I decided not to do them in quotations.
31:07
Yeah, I got it. Yep.
31:10
No, I can't find you guys. Interesting.
31:15
Another 3 that was actually the one I was going to go to next
31:19
too. So now I got to think we're
31:24
still right at David's 4/2 for the final say, which either we
31:32
need to like. Come on guys, don't do this to
31:36
me. We either need to.
31:37
There's a. There's this almost 2,000,000,
31:40
two million plays that I think probably is going to make it.
31:47
Let me go back a record. How about yo get into it, No?
31:57
I got it. Hey.
31:59
I got it. Hey, all right, I'll take that.
32:03
I'll take a three there. I thought I was about to go to
32:07
the bin. 123 John. All right, so I'm gonna I think
32:16
I'm gonna pick the song that Chris was talking about.
32:17
S 10 years after this, 10 years after this song came out.
32:21
I remember listening to it and getting pretty emotional about,
32:25
you know, everything that had happened and, you know, thinking
32:28
about, you know, everything that you've been through.
32:31
And we're, you know, 25 years on now and I still listen to the
32:35
song and still can feel that feeling again.
32:39
You're the goods, Posado. We love you, Blue Blue.
32:42
Yeah, I got it. I got it, but it's not what I
32:45
was talking about. Oh, OK, cool.
32:48
I don't have it. I do not have it.
32:53
I'll take that. That's it.
32:55
I I suggest you go back and listen to that one again, dude,
32:57
It's amazing. Oh.
32:59
Man, I I like I've I've cried to that song like no lie.
33:04
I think that means married person in Italian rights Masada.
33:08
I think it was the guy one of the early members last names.
33:11
OK, it's it just means married person, I think.
33:14
Let me look it up that. Would make sense spouse.
33:17
It very well could have been. Well, yeah, it means married.
33:19
Yeah, I mean, it certainly could have been someone's name.
33:21
I just always assumed if it was like an Italian phrase.
33:27
Take that three and Chris. Well, I'll do it The the the the
33:34
anthem, the the song that put the this band and the Long
33:38
Island scene on the map and the reason why all bands since then
33:41
sound just like them fearing lonely on Long Island.
33:43
Yeah, I got it. I don't but.
33:49
Whoa. I know that's the weird part.
33:54
Well, it's it's another three I do have.
33:57
These threes. I I was laughing when I was
34:00
looking it up because I was just curious like the other songs
34:04
they have like their most popular songs gets like 600,000
34:06
ish plays. This one has 2 million.
34:09
It's so it's so much more popular than any other thing
34:13
else. But you know, is that.
34:14
Good. The song about Long Island.
34:16
Yeah, yeah, maybe. Who knows.
34:17
But God, that song, that was like my buddy Bob passed away.
34:22
I think I mentioned him almost every show.
34:24
We used to just get hammered and scream this song at each other.
34:27
God. Wow, just like that.
34:33
I only have 4 left David. I have 4:00 left also.
34:40
How about will this be on the test?
34:46
No. Great team.
34:48
I don't have it. I do.
34:50
Hey, all right. It's like their their version of
34:55
a, or I mean not really their, but a they like follow the
34:58
template of like Weezer's only in Dreams.
35:01
It's like the song can't end. It keeps going and then it
35:05
builds up and then it goes into a killer fucking breakdown.
35:10
Anyway, yeah like 6 minutes long but I thought it was fucking
35:14
great so. Go here next I guess.
35:23
How about this? Beat this, God bless this
35:28
basement is gives me a fucking headache.
35:31
Why can't I read This basement gives me a fucking headache.
35:37
No, I don't have it. No.
35:40
I don't know. That's a good song.
35:42
I actually thought you would have it, John.
35:45
First one in the trash. Yeah, I know, man.
35:47
Oh bummer, that sucks. At first I thought you said it
35:51
was called this basement gives me a fucking headache.
35:53
Why can't I read? And I was like, oh, that.
35:56
Sounds right. Yeah, that does sound like it's
36:01
all right. Genesis, of course, all.
36:04
Right Rebellion versus the alarm clock.
36:09
No. No.
36:12
Wow, OK. I only have two left.
36:18
I'll I'll go with one of my favorite songs ever.
36:21
This project is stagnant. I got it.
36:26
No, no. All right, David.
36:33
OK, how about good morning? Here's Jan.
36:41
No. Nope, no.
36:45
I think my least favorite part about when a band's discography
36:49
is this equal you don't really have.
36:52
You just don't have reasons you don't have.
36:55
Oh, I didn't have because of this.
36:56
Nope. It just.
36:59
It just is. It's unfortunate it, but it just
37:02
is. All right.
37:04
One. I still got three.
37:09
Yeah. I only have one left actually
37:12
believe it or. Not all right.
37:14
So we'll just do this one last round and then everybody else
37:17
will just dump out. I guess how about we're done
37:22
for? No.
37:28
No, I don't have it. Over thought the room twice.
37:32
All right, John. We work the night shift.
37:37
No. Yep, I got it.
37:41
So I remember I told you guys I had all my cuts in order.
37:44
I left 2 songs that were like I, I kind of consider my last pick
37:48
to be all three of these songs. Technically I cut it, but I was
37:52
actually listening to it when you said it.
37:54
But I don't have it, and it breaks my fucking heart to tell
37:56
you I don't have it. All right, and what's your last
38:01
song, Chris? My my last one is mumbled words
38:06
and ridiculous faces. Yeah.
38:10
No, no. All right.
38:12
So you know, before we finish out here, that does mean that
38:16
we're going to land on that four.
38:18
So, David, you are going to be the winner.
38:22
That's great. That's funny.
38:25
All right. So what's next, David?
38:35
Well, oh, you want me to just dump it?
38:37
Or tell you what I dumped out? Or what?
38:39
Yeah. Actually, that was that was all
38:42
of mine. Oh, you're done.
38:44
OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
38:45
Sorry. That's right.
38:47
Yeah, that was that was it. All right, we got that one.
38:51
I forgot to mark it off. I got that one and that one.
38:56
Oh, so I only got 1 left too. I should do better at this as
39:00
long as I've been doing it. My last one, King Tough is my
39:05
new idol. Yeah, that's one of mine.
39:09
Hey. All right.
39:10
There's a late cut, late cut, but I don't have it.
39:13
All right. And that's it for me.
39:18
My last one is 83% off your self esteem.
39:21
Oh, that's a good one, boys. Like no, nobody had zombies or
39:27
pissed like nobody. Apparently.
39:31
Wow, that's weird. I mean, that was like my last
39:33
cut. It was heartbreaker.
39:34
They play that every single show, all right.
39:36
I thought I thought about taking our better halves just even
39:39
though it's not on Spotify just as a as a point but didn't have
39:43
room. I mean, to be fair, we covered
39:46
almost every song. I mean, sure.
39:49
Yeah. Biggest sausage party ever.
39:51
Didn't bedroom is like for Artist Part 2?
39:54
Which is, you know, just a little instrumental thing dear?
39:57
Boy. Zombies are pissed.
40:00
I wished Branca was here, Doctor Sidolt is Double Glasses and
40:04
Dozer Rage, but the only songs that we didn't cover.
40:07
And that being said, what? Only 5 went into the bin?
40:13
I mean, yeah, that's pretty. Good, not bad.
40:16
That's pretty good. Everything you got to know,
40:18
right? Yeah, right there.
40:19
All right, and so we have 4IN My dreams are about not sleeping
40:24
until 3:00 PM Doom, doom, doom. An ode to John Contra Part 2.
40:29
There's no way punk was meant to be done, you clown doctor.
40:34
All right, so let's look at these threes video games and
40:37
fantasy novels. Water mains at the blocks end.
40:41
My bedroom is like for artists. I decided not to do them.
40:45
Yo, get into it. He's a good sposato.
40:48
I love you. I love you Blue Blue and Fear
40:52
and Loathing on Long Island. We get we get five of those and
41:01
then David gets a final say. So is there something kind of
41:04
jumping out of you right off? RIP John.
41:09
Yeah, I think Sposado and probably Fear and Loathing would
41:19
be the two out of those, but there's there's still a couple
41:21
of twos I might want to fight for too.
41:24
All right, well, let's ask David where he stands on Sposato and
41:28
Fear and Loathing. Well, well, it seems like the,
41:34
you know, the tribe has spoken for Fear and Loathing.
41:36
I mean, it's got 2 million fucking plays.
41:39
There's got to be a reason, right?
41:40
Right. I mean, you know, not that that
41:46
always matters, but clearly there's, there's a stark
41:49
difference between 2 million and, you know, 600,000.
41:53
Yeah, I I think honestly it's just because if the song decides
41:56
being great and they're probably they're easiest to like get as
42:00
an ear worm. It's the blueprint for what
42:03
would come later in the genre. You know, like it literally is,
42:08
it's hard to explain without thinking more about it, but
42:11
it's, it's the most, it's the most to me, iconic early Long
42:19
Island sound that I can think of.
42:22
Yeah. Yeah.
42:26
So what do you think? Should we hold off on Sposato
42:29
or? Oh no, that should go there too.
42:34
OK. Let's do that then And I'll ask
42:39
you the same question, Chris. Is there one that's kind of
42:41
you're kind of looking at? John says there's there's some
42:44
twos that he might want to kind of go to bat for here.
42:47
So. My my heart wants to do project
42:50
to stagnant, but I I have to advocate for bedroom is like for
42:54
artists just because of yeah, it has to be there.
42:57
What? Do you think, John?
43:01
Yeah, yeah, definitely I'm, I'm in all.
43:04
Right, so let's grab that. All right, so does that take us
43:07
up to 7? Yeah.
43:09
Can you read it up to me again? I I didn't put an order.
43:11
I apologize. Sure.
43:13
All right. Here are the seven that are in
43:16
my dreams about not sleeping until 3:00 PM.
43:19
Doom, doom, doom. An ode to John Contra Part 2.
43:24
There's no way punk was meant to be done, you clown.
43:26
Doctor Fear and Loathing on Long Island.
43:30
Here's a He's a good sposato. I can't read tonight.
43:33
What the fuck? I love you, Blue.
43:34
Blue. My bedroom is like for artists.
43:39
OK, that's so solid. Jesus.
43:41
So we have two left before David's final say.
43:44
Now let me read these threes. Video games and fantasy novels
43:50
are fucking awesome. Water mains at the blocks and I
43:53
decided not to do them. And yo, get into it.
43:57
You said there's like some twos you'd like to fight for.
44:01
Are they twos that you just would like to get into the convo
44:05
at this point John, or try to fight to get them all the way
44:08
in? No, I think for someone so
44:11
easygoing you sure wear pants a lot.
44:13
Would would be awesome to get in on the on the list.
44:18
That's what I would. I would fight for for some of
44:20
the threes. All right, Chris, like you and I
44:24
were the odd ones out on that. Is there, did you have a reason
44:31
or is that just something you kind of just didn't have room
44:35
for? Would you?
44:37
I didn't. It's an awesome song.
44:39
I love that it starts with Phil vocal.
44:41
That's cool. I it's it's great.
44:44
I would have no problem with that making the list ultimately
44:47
for me. Like as far as the twos that I
44:50
would argue for Project to Stagnant is the one that I would
44:52
stand stop the hardest for, but I'm fine with that.
44:57
I think we should probably try to get something from the last
44:59
record in too. Yeah, yeah.
45:02
Yeah. So well, I guess the question is
45:07
is for some is for someone so easy going better than the
45:12
threes available. Yes, yeah, I would say, I would
45:19
say definitely. OK, so let's do that then,
45:22
right? And so that gets us up to 8,
45:27
right? Yeah.
45:32
All right. And then so we can we can tackle
45:34
this two ways. We can either the this project
45:38
is stagnant and then leave it up to David to pick something from
45:42
the last record, or we can pick something from the last record
45:46
and just let David pick up pick whatever he wants.
45:49
I. Was looking at water mains I
45:54
think Water mains at the blocks end is probably my favorite song
45:57
on that last one. OK, that.
46:00
Was probably. That's why I picked too for
46:01
sure. And then you know that's already
46:03
a three, so. Yeah, yeah, water mains was what
46:08
I thought was going to be my home run.
46:12
For. Somebody who knows nothing about
46:13
the band, Yeah. Well, that's that's open though.
46:19
So anyway, yeah, I I clearly am all for it.
46:23
Yeah, so that we'll make that #9 and that leaves the number 10
46:30
pick final say for you, David. Again, you can feel free to pick
46:35
a two or three or something that was in the bin any any way you
46:39
want to do it. Well, I really liked video games
46:45
and fantasy novels are fucking awesome.
46:53
And I think that might be, that might be the one I I would go to
47:00
bat for. I don't know if that is going to
47:04
hurt anybody's feelings, but nothing.
47:06
Wrong. With that, oh, that's a fucking
47:08
awesome song, man. That's a totally reasonable song
47:10
to put in there. So I think that's going to be
47:15
the one that that I, I would like to pick all.
47:20
Right. Let me mark it for.
47:21
You is that it's up to you. Yeah, exactly.
47:23
Doesn't matter. How a complete novice.
47:26
Well. Slight, slightly more than
47:28
novice. You know, barely more than a
47:30
novice's experience here. It doesn't matter what we think.
47:35
That's the that's the whole point.
47:37
All right. So that rounds out our 10.
47:39
My dreams about not sleeping until 3:00 PM.
47:42
Something about that sentence makes me want to read it wrong
47:44
every time. Doom doom, doom.
47:46
An ode to John Contra Part 2. There's no way punk was meant to
47:49
be done, you clown. Doctor Fear and Loathing on Long
47:52
Island. He's a good sposato.
47:54
I love you. Blue.
47:54
Blue. My bedroom is like for artists.
47:57
For someone so easygoing, you sure wear pants a lot.
48:00
Water mains at the block's end. Video games and fantasy novels
48:03
are fucking awesome. That's our 10 now, John, I, I, I
48:09
feel like there's a couple ways you can go here, right?
48:12
Like do you go the emotional one that we already kind of talked
48:16
about or or is there a different direction to go here?
48:20
I think I got to go with with the one that that still gets me
48:24
every single time. My dreams about not sleeping
48:28
until 3:00 PM just like, still gets me going and still makes me
48:32
think that there's still positive things in the world.
48:35
I like it. What do you think, Chris?
48:39
I think it's for me, between a top three of my dreams, Fear and
48:45
Loathing or Doom, Doom, Doom. I think any of those are good
48:49
choices. I think, I think my dreams are a
48:52
perfectly, perfectly good for a song.
48:57
Are you leaning a certain way, David?
49:00
I think I'd go with my dreams. I'm kind of a swayed by a by the
49:05
other dudes, but I mean, it was one of the ones that I picked
49:09
early on. So, you know, that's, that's a
49:13
great one for me as far as I'm concerned.
49:15
I'm always a fan of of the band doing what the band does
49:19
immediately, no hesitation, just tell me what's up.
49:23
And whenever that song is that good and we're talking about it
49:30
again here, I like to use that as the one because it it already
49:36
did the trick for me, right? Like it already listening to
49:40
that song pumped me up for listening to this band.
49:43
So I don't know that that kind of says something to me.
49:47
Plus the two new guys, you know, both kind of latched onto it.
49:50
So that says something to me and I think.
49:54
Oh my God, it's got all the tricks in it.
49:55
It's got all the Ladderman tricks.
49:56
I'm listening to it right now like it's got, it's even got the
49:59
we didn't give Pat any chops. The drummer like dude rips and
50:03
it's got his little symbol trails.
50:04
He always does. It's a great song.
50:06
So I think that's the easy ways, the way to do it.
50:09
Let's you know, not let's not work too hard here, gents.
50:12
Let's grab my dreams about God damn it.
50:16
It's like a key. I just, I only think it just to
50:19
make you say it again. My dreams about not sleeping
50:25
until 3:00 PM. What is it about that grouping
50:28
of words? All right, so let me get that
50:32
going underneath us here, and then we will run it down one
50:36
last go. Let me switch over here.
50:41
My dream is about not sleeping until 3:00 PM Doom, doom, doom.
50:44
An ode to John Contra Part 2. There's no way punk was meant to
50:47
be done, you clown Doctor Fear and Loathing on Long Island.
50:49
He's a good desposado. I love you Blue.
50:51
Blue. My bedroom is like for artists.
50:54
For someone so easygoing, you sure wear pants a lot.
50:56
Water mains at the blocks end. And video games and fantasy.
50:59
Fantasy novels are fucking awesome.
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Done and done. Let's let my dreams get a moment
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in the sun. Like I pitched right to.
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That love a 4 minute intro. I pitched.
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Released a punk record. I pitched, I pitched to it like
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right as they went to gang vocals.
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It was so perfect. You'll have to hear it in the
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episode, folks. You are already hearing it, but
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the gents here will have to hear that anyway.
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We've done it. We've turned you on the
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Ladderman and hey, maybe you're Ladderman.
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Did we work? Did it work?
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Did we turn you on to your own band?
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That would be cool. Like that'd be a first I think.
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Do it some more if you're listening, yeah.
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Yeah, but hey man, maybe you disagree.
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Maybe. Maybe you think we picked the
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wrong songs. Maybe you're a you.
51:59
Something is awoken in you and you remember this band and like,
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oh shit, they're wrong though. That's fine.
52:05
If you think that, why don't you tell me about it?
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You can do that on Spotify now. You can say, hey, these are the
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songs I would have picked and I can go cool, We didn't.
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That's not what we picked. I mean, I'll say it in a nicer
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way, but like that's what else am I going to say?
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Like that's not just not what we picked, sorry, dude.
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But if you're going to do that, five stars would be super
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mean, be nice, but you can really say whatever you want.
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Just the five stars would be appreciated because it does help
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that's how the show grows. Would appreciate that if you'd
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gets you access to the program before the rest of the world.
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It gets you access to the after the fact that we are going to be
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unfortunately. Oh hi Justin's.
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It also gets you access to our Discord channel at that $1.00
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The $1.00 level just gets you an invite link.
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If you'd like the invite link but don't want to pay the
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come jump in there. You don't get a special role
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that way, but you can just jump on in groceries with us, count
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with us, talk deprogrammed with us.
53:48
There's a musically going on that you can get in on.
53:51
There is a also a place where you can go sign up for panels of
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53:59
I would like to talk about band whatever and somebody will go,
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cool man, I'd like to talk about band whatever with you and boom,
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there you go. A panel is born.
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So all that happens on the discord, the Legion stupid
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and with that latterman latterman loving people see you
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next week. Goodbye.