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Bonus Episode: Lady Gaga, Elvis Presley, and the Orion Conspiracy · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Disgraceland, the after Party.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, a little thing we
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  Speaker 1: like to call the after Party. This is the show
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  Speaker 1: after the show, the party after the party, the bridge
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  Speaker 1: to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to
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  Speaker 1: mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, and
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  Speaker 1: to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, we are
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  Speaker 1: discussing Lady Gaga and Elvis Presley related crimes and conspiracies,
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  Speaker 1: highlighting some special Disgraceland community members, giving away some merch
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  Speaker 1: because it's always a season of giving here in Disgraceland,
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  Speaker 1: are back. We are shooting out of this canon called
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, and I am so excited to be
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  Speaker 1: with you guys, happy that you're here with me as well.
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  Speaker 1: Now listen, I don't know about y'all, but my algorithm
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  Speaker 1: served up a small handful of twenty twenty six music
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  Speaker 1: prediction articles over the past few weeks, over the holidays
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the year. Now, I never read
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  Speaker 1: these articles because no one really knows what's going to happen,
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  Speaker 1: and just because you know the future of music, it's
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  Speaker 1: way less interesting to me than the history of music.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 1: One thing I think I know, however, is that at
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  Speaker 1: the end of nineteen seventy six, nobody that I'm aware
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  Speaker 1: of anyways, was predicting the death of Elvis Presley in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven, which, let's be honest, given the king's
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  Speaker 1: physical shape, that wouldn't have been an unserious prognostication. But
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  Speaker 1: with Elvis's passing came the conspiracies about his death and
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  Speaker 1: the conspiracy claims that he was still alive. And after
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  Speaker 1: all these years, this morning I wake up, I open
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  Speaker 1: my laptop. I'm trying to research music predictions from the
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  Speaker 1: past that went wrong, and somehow I end up on
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  Speaker 1: this total other path of research where I come across
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  Speaker 1: this event from music history, this spark, this single event
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  Speaker 1: that ignited all of these wild theories about Elvis Presley
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  Speaker 1: still being alive. You remember these theories, these sensational claims
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  Speaker 1: that screamed from tabloid newspaper covers in supermarket checkout lines
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  Speaker 1: for decades. Elvis spotted working at Burger King, Elvis seen
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  Speaker 1: in New Mexico. Elvis is alive and pretending to be
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  Speaker 1: an Elvis impersonator. That last one from the Weekly World
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  Speaker 1: News is my favorite. These headlines, though, these conspiracies all right,
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  Speaker 1: as I'm going through them this morning, and I'm thinking
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  Speaker 1: about my childhood and trying to make sense of all this.
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  Speaker 1: As I'm standing in the in the in the checkout
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  Speaker 1: line with my mom, you know, and we're getting our
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  Speaker 1: box of fruity pebbles and and our and our sunny Delight,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, she's she's probably got a cart in Winston's.
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  Speaker 1: She's she's getting for a little bit cheaper at the
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  Speaker 1: grocery store than she would at the I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: the corner store. And you know, I'm just staring at
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  Speaker 1: the magazines on the rack there, and you know, the
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  Speaker 1: whole Elvis thing is just fascinating to me. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if you were if you were alive in the eighties
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  Speaker 1: kid and in line at a grocery store, it seemed
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  Speaker 1: that every damn magazine cover was just plastered with these headlines.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know what the hell to make of it.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't believe it, that's for sure, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: reconsidering them now as an adult. These headlines, these conspiracies,
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  Speaker 1: I should say, they remind me of the conspiracies that
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  Speaker 1: I'm currently researching this week, These conspiracies surrounding Lady Gaga.
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  Speaker 1: Lady Gaga is just too damn famous and too compelling,
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  Speaker 1: too interesting for the public to not fabricate wild stories
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  Speaker 1: that supposedly explain her success. Lady Gaga is part of
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  Speaker 1: the Illuminati, Lady Gaga stole her musical identity from Lena Morgana,
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  Speaker 1: and now Lena Morgana's dead. Lady Gaga has a penis.
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  Speaker 1: All of these are real conspiracy theories, even that last one.
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  Speaker 1: I swear to God and wait to hear what she
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  Speaker 1: had to do to disprove it. So there's a correlation,
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  Speaker 1: I think, between the conspiracy theories around Lady Gaga and Elvis. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: but back to Elvis. Now, I believe for years, as
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure that a lot of you have, that the
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  Speaker 1: reason that these conspiracies about Elvis still being alive, the
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  Speaker 1: reason that they sprung up, is because, like Lady Gaga,
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  Speaker 1: Elvis was just too damn famous, too big, and when
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  Speaker 1: he died, he was too beloved for the public to
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  Speaker 1: fully let go of him. And I think I think
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  Speaker 1: there's some truth to that assumption of mind, to that
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  Speaker 1: hypothesis that that's why these Elvis is Alive theories continued
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  Speaker 1: to thrive. But I didn't know until today that there
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  Speaker 1: was another reason, an event, an actual event that took
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  Speaker 1: place the year after Elvis passed that kicked off this
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  Speaker 1: crazy thinking that allowed the conspiracies to first take root
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  Speaker 1: and spread like these wicked weeds throughout our culture. And
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  Speaker 1: that event is the bizarre story of Orion, who was
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  Speaker 1: Orion Well in nineteen seventy eight, the year after Elvis
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  Speaker 1: Presley died. Orion was a Sun Records musical artist who
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  Speaker 1: looked and sounded a lot like Elvis. Presley, and I
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  Speaker 1: mean a lot. Sun Records was, of course, the label
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  Speaker 1: that first recorded Elvis Presley, the record company that made
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  Speaker 1: Elvis Presley famous, the record company that put Elvis's hometown
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  Speaker 1: of Memphis, Tennessee, on the map. And here it was
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  Speaker 1: Sun Records in nineteen seventy eight, again just a year
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  Speaker 1: after Elvis died, and Son was promoting one of its
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  Speaker 1: new artists, an artist who looked and sounded an awful
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  Speaker 1: lot like the King, the only difference being that this artist, Orion,
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  Speaker 1: wore a mask, and that this masked man who looked
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  Speaker 1: and sounded like Elvis, refused to answer the question of
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  Speaker 1: whether or not he was Elvis, answering only the quote
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  Speaker 1: he was Orion. Now, despite how much Orion looked, even
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  Speaker 1: with the mask, and sounded like Elvis Presley, it was
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  Speaker 1: obvious to anyone of sound mind that this was not
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  Speaker 1: Elvis Presley, and that Elvis, by nineteen seventy eight, was
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  Speaker 1: dead and in the ground. But the name Orion, the
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  Speaker 1: name Orionrion had a special significance in nineteen seventy eight.
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  Speaker 1: The name Orion in nineteen seventy eight wasn't just the
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  Speaker 1: name of what looked to be like the first Elvis
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  Speaker 1: impersonator of note. Orion was also the name of a
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  Speaker 1: character in a recently published work of fiction about a
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  Speaker 1: rock star trapped by his own fame who kills himself
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  Speaker 1: to escape. Now, all of this may seem strange, but
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  Speaker 1: in the case of Orion, the truth, as I say,
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  Speaker 1: is stranger than fiction. Because the man who was Orion,
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  Speaker 1: who many claimed to be Elvis, that dude, was murdered,
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  Speaker 1: and by the time that happened in nineteen ninety eight,
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  Speaker 1: it was too late. Part of the public had already
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  Speaker 1: taken the bait and firmly believed that Elvis Presley was
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  Speaker 1: as O'Rion established back in nineteen seventy eight, alive Elvis
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  Speaker 1: spotted at Butte, Montana gas station. Elvis's tomb is empty,
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  Speaker 1: Elvis dead at sixty three. That last headline Elvis dead
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  Speaker 1: at sixty three that came in nineteen ninety eight. Elvis
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  Speaker 1: Presley would have been sixty three years old in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety eight, nineteen ninety eight, the same year Orian died, and,
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  Speaker 1: to put a finer point on it, the same year
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  Speaker 1: that Orion was murdered. More on this incredible story. The
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  Speaker 1: story of Orion, the artists who launched the many Elvis's
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  Speaker 1: Alive conspiracy theories, including the music that Orion made, the
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  Speaker 1: life that Orion lived, why folks firmly believed Orion was Elvis,
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  Speaker 1: how he ended up on Sun Records, and the true
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  Speaker 1: crime that resulted in this musician in o'rion's death. All
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  Speaker 1: oh three? Was it in relation to Lady Gaga? I
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  Speaker 1: can't remember, because she kind of reminds me of a
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  Speaker 1: modern day version of both of both those incredible artists
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  Speaker 1: in her own way. I mean, Lady Gaga is so versatile.
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  Speaker 1: I know some of you hear that, They're like, what
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  Speaker 1: what the hell are you talking about? But I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I see it. I'm reading an incredible book, right, I
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  Speaker 1: mentioned earlier that I'm researching Lady Gaga. I'm reading It's
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  Speaker 1: the book is so good, so good, a great book
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  Speaker 1: called poker Face, The Rise and Rise of Lady Gaga
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  Speaker 1: by Marie Callahan, who I think is just fantastic. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of you may already know this
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  Speaker 1: about Lady Gaga, but she's got this fascinating backstory. Much
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  Speaker 1: of which she's mythologized herself. And there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: sketchy details in there, what's true, what's not, what does
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  Speaker 1: she make up, etc. But one thing that is for
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  Speaker 1: certain is that Lady Gaga was down in the Lower
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  Speaker 1: East Side of New York in the mid aughts two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and six ish seven ish two thousand and five
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  Speaker 1: sixty seven, in that era, the same era that I
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  Speaker 1: was down there playing a bunch of shows, had a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of friends who were living down there, and a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of friends from Boston who were also traveling down
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  Speaker 1: there and playing shows. And I know that era and
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  Speaker 1: location of New York very well because, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: it was there in the way that Marie Callahan, the
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  Speaker 1: author here of Poker Face, the way she depicts that
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  Speaker 1: time and place is as good, if not better than
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  Speaker 1: Meet Me in the Bathroom, which which is a fantastic
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  Speaker 1: book about that era by Lizzie Goodman, another fantastic author.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, this book it's I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: say it's better, but it depicts the era in a
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  Speaker 1: different way, a completely compelling way, and specifically, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what it was like for you guys, but I
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  Speaker 1: remember waking up in like two thousand and six, two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and seven, and and just looking around and going,
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute, dance music is cool with indye kids.
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  Speaker 1: How did this happen? Because I've always thought the dance
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  Speaker 1: music was cool, but it was something that was completely
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  Speaker 1: derided by the underground scene, the underground hardcore punk indie scene,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera. And then all of a sudden, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we had in the early two thousands, you have in
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  Speaker 1: New York, you have the whole electroclash thing. But then
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  Speaker 1: you know, by the mid two thousands, the mid adds
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  Speaker 1: i should say, it kind of transitions into this this
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  Speaker 1: dance thing that is no longer ironic, and it was
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  Speaker 1: a weird thing that I've never really been able to
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  Speaker 1: fully articulate in my head. And Marie Callahan articulates that
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  Speaker 1: transition within the context of Lady Gaga's come up story
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  Speaker 1: down there in the Lower East Side at that exact moment.
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  Speaker 1: It's fascinating. I'm about, I don't know, cord maybe a
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  Speaker 1: third of the way through the book, and I can't
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  Speaker 1: can't wait to get back to it later this afternoon. Again.
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  Speaker 1: That's poker Faced, The Rise and Rise of Lady Gaga.
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  Speaker 1: I'll have our Lady Gaga episode for you guys in
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  Speaker 1: the after party, get together a couple of times a
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  Speaker 1: year to meet up and to roll up our sleeves
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  Speaker 1: and talk about which episodes we want to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: And this is going to give a handful of you,
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  Speaker 1: or however many of us who sign up a direct
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  Speaker 1: we cover. All right. Eighth five Sherry F text in Hey,
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  Speaker 1: what actor's death hit me the hardest? Is Matthew Perry.
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  Speaker 1: As a baby of gen X friends raised me. I
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: literally have the same tattoo as Rachel, and out of
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  Speaker 1: everyone's character, Chandler was the most relatable. It was more
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  Speaker 1: than just a show. And reading Matthew's book, you could
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  Speaker 1: feel his pain. It took a piece of my adolescence
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  Speaker 1: and young adulthood when he passed, and I still get
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: emotional watching him and you can see his pain and
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: growth season to season. That's for Sherry F. In the
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  Speaker 1: Central Coast of California. Sherry, I'm not sure if you're
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: responding to an older after party episode or if you're
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: responding to something that Zeth might have asked in this
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: week's Hollywood Land, which I haven't listened to the whole
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: thing yet. I'll listen to the beginning. I know it's
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: on River Phoenix. The wrap party episode is on the
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: River Phoenix episode of Hollywood Land. Both are in that
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  Speaker 1: feed this week. I suspect maybe Zeth pose that question,
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  Speaker 1: but I wanted to. I wanted to read your text, Sherry,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm not sure if you're aware or not that
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  Speaker 1: we have an episode on Matthew Perry. I'm quite proud
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: of it. It's one of those you know, I heard
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: this thing the other day. I was I was at
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  Speaker 1: Mass actually on Sunday, and I heard part of the
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: homily was that, you know, a lot of people think
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: that they need to use their work to do well,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: and of course that's that's true, but there's also another
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  Speaker 1: piece of our work, and and that sometimes we can
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: we can hear, we can hear bigger truths, we can
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: hear directly from from the Big Man through our work,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: and this Matthew Perry episode that we did was an
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: example of that was an example of of me learning
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: a lot, not only learning a lot but about Matthew
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Perry and about addiction, but also learning a lot about
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: myself and some past grief. And I don't get heavy with,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: you know, any of the me stuff, not in that
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: episode talking about me very much at all, but it
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: really kind of unlocked unlock some things about myself that
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I wasn't aware of and about this horrible, horrible disease.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I think Matthew Perry was a pretty incredible guy. Beyond
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: his talent, I think what he did for people who
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: suffer from this disease is pretty impressive. And I think
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  Speaker 1: the way that he died was pretty disgraceful. And I
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: invite you, Sherry, to check out that episode if you
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: haven't already, and to anyone who hasn't listened to that episode,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: go ahead and listen. I believe it's still in the
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Disgrace Land Feed, not in the Hollywood Land feeds. In
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: the Disgrace Sland feed, just search up Matthew Perry and
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: matt will have the episode notes for you in the
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: show notes section of this here bonus episode. Speaking of
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Hollywood Land one thing I have to mention is Zeth,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: who's doing the real bang up job over there. This happens.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: You know, he got on the mic to record the
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  Speaker 1: rap party, and you know, we know we sit at
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: these desks and we have multiple microphones set up for
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: multiple things that we're doing, and Zeth recorded that entire
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: episode with the wrong mic. So it might sound a
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: little a little diy, it might sound a little a
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: little mid Aughts Lower East Side for you guys, But
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: it's not about the sound. It's about what the man
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: is saying. So if you're hearing that and you're wondering
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: what the hell's going on, it's just you know, Zeth
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: was using one of his distortion pedals for this episode,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: and you know it sounds sounds pretty badass. So so
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: that's what's happening there. But again, it's about what the
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: man was saying. Here's a little taste, Matt, why don't
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: you give the disco as a little taste of what's
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: going on in Hollywood Land in the in the Wrap
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: party this week?
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  Speaker 3: In the introduction to this week's full episode on River Phoenix.
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  Speaker 3: Hopefully you've heard that already. I'm talking, of course about
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: the short intros I record for each of our fully
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: scripted sound design episodes that come out on Mondays that
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: are narrated not by me but by Jake Brennan. I basically,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: in this intro quickly made the case for River Phoenix
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: being a one of one, not only an incredible actor,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: but also that rare representation of popular culture in the
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: very moment that culture is shifting into something different. For River,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: it was the transition from the nineteen eighties into the
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: nineties and his screen presence, his taste in the movies
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: and roles he took on. It was that era. He
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: wasn't Corey Feldman or Fred Savage or Alyssa Milano or
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Drew Barrymore. Absolutely no shade thrown at any of those actors,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: by the way, but River found a different gear, and
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: I think they would all probably agree with that if
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: they were being honest. Probably the actor who comes closest,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: probably Ethan Hawke. I guess now that I'm thinking more
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: about that, But I stand by what I said about River,
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: and I also stand by what I said about how
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: when he died on Halloween Night in nineteen ninety three,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: and then his death was followed very quickly by the
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: death of Kurt Cobaine that something in the culture was
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: forever changed. It was the end of an era, so
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: to speak, a very short era that had barely lasted
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: a decade.
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  Speaker 1: when the espresso machine is just working perfectly. It's got
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  Speaker 1: the right amount of pressure. The Americano comes out like hmm,
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  Speaker 1: it's just like it's it's it's a little extra and
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  Speaker 1: I can't I don't know what I did different, same
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  Speaker 1: beans I've been using for the last week. But this
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• 25:26
  Speaker 1: to talk about. What I'm here to talk about is
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: that last week, if you listened to the after Party,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: you heard me discussing this Disgraceland listener named Mark. Now,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Mark wrote in texted actually six one seven nine, I
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: was six six sixty three eight. Mark knows the number.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Mark texted and shared a playlist that he's been curating
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: that is a collection of all the songs mentioned in
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: our episodes of Disgraceland, going all the way back to
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: episode one. This is incredible. This is so much work.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: This playlist is amazing. I shouldn't say it's all the songs.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Excuse me. He hasn't finished this yet, Okay, but again,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Mark is pulling every tune that we mentioned that he
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: can find on Apple Music, every tune that we mentioned
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: in our episodes, and putting them into what is so
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: far our a ten hour playlist Now. I just checked
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: the playlist again a moment ago on Apple Music and
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: it's already been updated today. All right, here's just a handful.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Let's talk a handful of songs that are on this playlist.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: And again, it's not just songs by the artists. It's
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: not just the number one songs that I mentioned, although
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: they're all in there. Okay, let's just see it. Gloria
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: by Them, Waterfalls by TLC, Let's talk about sex by
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Salt and Peppa Cocksucker Blues by The Rolling Stones, Shape
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: of You by Ed Shearing, The Race by tak Night,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Fever by Begs You and I by Rick James, I'm
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Too Sexy by Wright said. We've had territorial pissings by Nirvana,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: The Sign by Ace of Bass. I mean, this goes
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: on and on and on. Grateful Dead Post, Malone xxx,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: ten Tasion Drake, Amy, Weinhouse, the Beatles. Just an incredible
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: playlist that is encompassing the world that we have built
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: here in Disgraceland. I'm going to share this playlist in
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: the Patreon chat for our all Access members to grab,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: and I'll share it on Instagram perhaps x as well
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: later this week. Now, Mark, he writes, is a courier
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: who drives twenty five hundred miles a week and boasts
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: an oil change every two weeks. So dude has some
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: time to listen to some disgraceland and he's putting it
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: to good use. Mark. I'm super grateful Man. Mark writes that, Hey,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: I'm absolutely gonna keep going with the playlist. It's such
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: a cool cross section of popular music. Like it's a
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: guy from High Fidel that he was alive today. This
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: would be the record collection he's snorting sorting. Excuse me, Wait,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: the guy from High Fidelity died. He didn't die, But
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I know what you mean. Anyhow, Yeah, I love that.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I could hear. I could see those dudes in High
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Fidelity listening to this playlist in a Champion Records. They're
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: a record store or is it Top five Records? I
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: can't remember. I think it's a Champion, isn't it. I
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: don't know. Someone let me know. Six month seven nine
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  Speaker 1: oh six six six three eight Maybe Mark, you can know.
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  Speaker 3: Mark.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: You got sounds like you get a lot to do. Anyhow, Again,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I'm putting Mark's playlist in the Patreon chat or I'm
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: gonna make it a post. I'm not sure what which,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: but you'll be able to get it there in Patreon
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: and uh Mark. We're gonna gift you a year long
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• 28:51
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• 28:54
  Speaker 1: members in the community chat hear what they have to
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: say about your playlist. We're so grateful that you did.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: This is incredible and I want the rest of the
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: community to have access to it. And for that, I
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: hope you were giving you the subscription. I hope you
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: enjoy it. Speaking of All Access membership and members, I
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• 29:26
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• 30:14
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• 30:40
  Speaker 1: As you know, we've got over two hundred and fifty
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: episodes in the Disgraceland archive I mentioned. I mentioned the
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Matthew Perry episode, which I encourage you to check out.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I also mentioned the Ramones mentioned the Stooges. We don't
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: have a Stooges episode. We have an Iggy Pop episode.
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  Speaker 1: our past episodes. All right, let's recap, shall we. Number one,
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  Speaker 1: Number six six one seven nine oh six six six
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  Speaker 1: three eight. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark
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  Speaker 1: corners of music history, O Ryan. So keep calling, texting
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  Speaker 1: community of the obsessed. No one cares about music, books,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: records and the crime and grime that ties them all
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: together like you do. And well that's a disgrace, all right.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: The King Elvis Presley died for real, he really did.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: He died on August sixteenth, nineteen seventy seven. And here's
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: what America was listening to on that day. Number one
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Best of My Love The Emotions, last week one weeks
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: on Chart twelve, peak position one, number two Jet Airliner
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Steve Miller Band, last week two look weeks on Chart twelve,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: peak positions eight, number three, Looking for a Love Bobby
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Womack and Valentinos number last week number three weeks on Trust,
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  Speaker 1: peak position nine, five weeks on number four. What You're
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Gonna Do Poblo Cruise number last week number five weeks
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  Speaker 1: on Chart eleven, peak position five, number five You and
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Me Pallas Cooper, last week nine weeks on Charge. So
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  Speaker 1: quit talking and start mixing cult it