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Lessons - Can Leadership Be Taught? Transform Your Executive Presence | Marshall Goldsmith - Executive Coach & Leadership Expert · Success Story with Scott Clary

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  fall short of real world challenges learn how stakeholder centered coaching drives change
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  through accountability and continuous improvement and understand the unique hurdles faced by
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  entrepreneurs versus corporate leaders
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  when you were teaching students were you teaching you were teaching the same material you were
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  teaching to and coaching entrepreneurs on do you ever find that there's a disconnect between
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  what academia thinks the versus hotel disconnect right there's a tubeless you have very few people
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  in the academic world have any idea about business at all anymore so there's often just a chronic
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  disconnect because they're not reinforced for that the reinforced from basically doing research
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  and and what they do is good it's just not practical real world kind of stuff so when people
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  do go back to school I always tell never never can she's getting in degree in wisdom you acquire
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  wisdom to acquire wisdom get degrees to get degrees they're not the same thing and you know if
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  if you get you get them confused just get in trouble so be you know the real world is quite a
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  different place than academia especially for entrepreneurs look they're not used to it I relate to
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  entrepreneurs for two reasons one is sad work with people the real world every day my clients are
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  very real world a pride and step or five people as CEO of the area in the United States that's the
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  real world that's the real world and also you know my guaranteed base salary has been for 47
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  years zero absolutely zero I can't understand what it's like to wake up in the morning and you know
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  and you know in 47 years I'm in this four weeks of work mom died dead died and ruptured
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  appendix and got COVID that was it other net guess what how about addicts how about addicts
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  nah how about me foot hurts not so much have a cold high and stuff no no no no you just show up
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  so I like entrepreneurs have the highest amount of respect for entrepreneurs you know why I
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  know what it feels like do you think that as yet I mean you are you are one you you you you
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  gave up that fifteen thousand dollar fifteen thousand dollars salad by the way we're laughing at
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  fifteen thousand dollars but I mean when you were when your professor I'm sure that it was not
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  nothing so oh no I was eating yeah it was still it was still so it was rolling at eighty thousand
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  dollars today or some bright yeah so you still have people that want to make the jump to entrepreneurship
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  and they're making a hundred K or 150 K sometimes they're making even more than that they're making
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  two hundred two fifty whatever it doesn't matter and then they want everyone wants to be an
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  entrepreneur I don't know if entrepreneurship was sexy when you were becoming an entrepreneur because
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  you said like coaching wasn't a thing I mean I think it seems like everyone and their mother is a
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  coat but that's besides the point but by the way one exploit people used to all say they were real
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  now they all say they're like purchasing but I think people don't understand how difficult it
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  actually is to build something from scratch and I think that's actually is a it is nothing to do with
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  well maybe there's a little bit to do with leadership but just on a total aside I feel like
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  entrepreneurship is is maybe overhyped a little bit and I think that I think that you know more
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  real conversations about entrepreneurship have to happen so people understand like what they're
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  getting into because now you work with you work with large like you know fortune five hundred
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  I'm sure you work with very early stage as well so you see it all I spent and I'm actually
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  curious you know from somebody who who is a leadership coach what is what is the difference
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  when you speak to somebody who's a fortune five hundred CEO or see sweeter executive versus somebody
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  who is just starting out and started their first side hustle um what are the attributes that are
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  the same like leadership attributes entrepreneurship attributes what are the ones that are different
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  well I think usually when I'm coaching a corporate CEO they are pretty good at delegating
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  they're pretty good at scaling they're running billions of dollars worth of stuff right so they
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  may they get problems typically but that's not their problem when I coaching an entrepreneur
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  an entrepreneur is quite different especially a founder if you're the founder and it's your idea and
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  it's your baby it is hard to let go it's hard not to be right it's hard to let others do it and
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  it's hard to live with I don't know 80 percent is good but it's getting bigger than everything I
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  so for an entrepreneur I find that is a big big job also a lot of entrepreneurs don't have
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  people background so most of the corporate CEOs more than more like NBA types you know they
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  usually have some business where people oriented educational background or some things
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  entrepreneurs are often engineers scientists people like that and it's zero background in terms
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  of leading people so you know working with entrepreneurs that fund is really you know it's
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  interesting and challenging to get them to focus on the people dimension the people I coach need
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  very then do you feel like you feel like this like leadership skill set do you feel like it can
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  be taught to anybody because you feel like a can't look at the reason why I ask is because I've
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  heard many times and this is also something that I believe as well to a degree the person to build
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  a business to ten million dollars may not be the person to build a business to 50 million or
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  a hundred million who may not be the person to build a business to IPO now is that a leadership
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  problem or is that like almost like a technical aptitude experience problem so maybe leadership
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  can be taught it's a little bit but one number one leaders can get better I'm often asked
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  if ridiculous question or they're born or they made all this stuff all leaders are born
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  one hundred percent of every leader I met has been born so they're all born the thing is leaders
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  can get better yes but the question is can you make this transition yes is it easy no well everyone
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  do it no so obviously it can be done that does mean it's easy to do it can be very difficult to do
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  it's a different challenge it's a different world I've got to a lot of companies just going to
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  ready to get ready for IPO you know and these are typically engineers that started the company
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  and right guys created work their butts off and they've just made it happen over time it's not
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  an easy transition though it's just it is a different job I like the way you phrase the whole
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  thing it's not the same job but this job now it's this version of this job it's like you're
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  doing a whole different job I'm assuming part part of your job as a leadership coach executive
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  coach is probably more like psychologist than anything else I feel like people just get in
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  their own head maybe you speak to all some of the some of the more common issues people have but
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  I'm assuming I'm assuming you're you're probably reinforcing things that people already know you're
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  holding them accountable I mean you're getting them over their imposter syndrome I I don't know you
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  tell me what's what's your framework but that I feel like that's a variant of it my whole area
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  of expertise is behavioral change I'm not an expert on technology I'm an honorary PhD in
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  engineering but I'm not a real engineer here yeah I'm a pretend to be engineer so yeah I'm
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  my undergraduate degrees in mathematical economics I got a PhD in order of social behavior my
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  whole area is behavioral change so I am not an expert on corporate strategy or anything like that
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  my area is I help great people to positive change in their behavior so that's that's what I do
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  and that means that you have to change some some some minds that have it's that are that are
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  massively blocking them right yeah but the way they're all perfect it wouldn't mean me would they
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  so you have you have a feedback and follow-up system and that that's it you'd go to system
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  they and I'm I'm also always curious because I see you can you mentioned
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  back back when you were still a dean if people were out of a job they say they're real tourists now
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  they say they're coaches so you have a system everyone has a system your system is built to you
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  obviously an incredible career and you have 1.5 million on LinkedIn you have massive following
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  you've written books on it you have you have you have accolades you have credentials you have
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  experience you you know you've proven out that you know your shit what makes your system so
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  successful also double-park question which is bad but whatever you'll get you have to handle it
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  what makes your system so successful but also how can somebody who's looking to sort of upskill
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  themselves understand out of all the different systems out there that accomplish different things
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  who to look for in a coach and a person like how do you how do you gauge who's full of it versus
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  who's not well first let me answer the first question I may or not remember after that the
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  second question so I'll get back to it it's my nori so the first questions how did my system work
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  my system is aimed at helping successful leaders achieve positive change and behave that's it
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  so number one that's not what you want though you use my system that's what the system is for
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  the system that I'm very proud of it's called stakeholder centered coach and
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  otherwise you don't need to be a PhD to do this because he just died a couple of about a year ago
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  Chris coffee was the best coach we had he got better results than me in terms of a coach he was
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  amazing getting results in zero background in psychology zero background in business he was a
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  failed actor who barely graduated from college you know what he got though he got results I didn't
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  get results because the system the system is pretty simple in my job I interview everyone around
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  my clients I developed a confidential profile here's what you're doing well here's what you're
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  not doing well they don't know who said what they pick important behavior of truth then we have
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  us only wing follow-up system they talk to people what they learn they actually apologize for
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  their mistakes they ask for input about how they can do better they call it feed forward I call
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  feed forward process yes for ideas you listen you shut up you take notes you say thank you and
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  you do it over and over again they follow up with the clients I follow up with them over and over
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  and for 47 years I didn't get paid if my class didn't get better and better it's not judged by
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  me or them it judged by where around them I mean how do you know some police what they're saying
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  they ask you question you want to bet on it let's say I believe it but it wouldn't bet on guess
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  what they don't believe it as there's the money they believe it I bet on this every time
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  or even which always got paid why it's the system works so in my basic coaching it's a very
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  transferable process so that part of it quite transfer on the other yet it doesn't fit what it
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  doesn't fit let me tell you when it doesn't work what I don't work with people it's all care
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  done frequently ask how do I motivate people that don't want to change in the answer is I don't
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  motivate people don't want to change if they don't want to change I don't care I say fine don't
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  change if they say prove to me this is worth it you know what I'd say probably not worth it
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  a terrible idea don't do it I think it's stupid you're right it's stupid don't do it it's okay
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  so I never try to motivate anyone number one number two this doesn't solve integrity problems
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  it doesn't solve strategy problems yeah it basically it's helping people achieve positive
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  change in their behavior who want to change that's what it's good for thanks for tuning in if
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