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Invincible Everton, Struggling Spurs and Lazy United | Outside the Box · Outside the Box with Leon Osman and Tony Bellew

• 0:00
  What was your physio for?
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  On my Achilles.
• 0:03
  Oh, I'm still going through that shit.
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  I was waiting for something healthy there, Ross.
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  It must have been by the look of his face.
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  Yeah, it's desired to be.
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  Oh, it burns though.
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  What is it?
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  Ginger.
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  That's the burning sensation.
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  Turmeric.
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  Hey, that is healthy.
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  That's super healthy.
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  A bit of black pepper, a little bit of cayenne pepper as well, which is the one that burns you.
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  Fantastic.
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  Yeah.
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  You're planning on like a leasing your arsehole or something.
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  Honey.
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  Just keep everything moving, so.
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  The turmeric's for me knee.
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  Well, for me joints in general these days.
• 0:46
  Jesus.
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  Whatever floats your boat, champ.
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  Healthy little mix, though.
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  It's me being healthy.
• 0:51
  Yeah.
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  No, it's banging, though.
• 0:52
  Yeah, kind of jealous.
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  Don't worry, I've got me coffee here as well, though.
• 0:58
  She's looking after you today, isn't she?
• 1:00
  Because there's no way you fucking made that.
• 1:03
  You're joking, aren't you?
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  I have to do everything myself in this house.
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  Don't tell her I said that, though.
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  Don't tell her I said that.
• 1:08
  Yeah.
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  Of course, of course, of course.
• 1:12
  Right.
• 1:13
  How are we this morning?
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  I was going to say, yeah, have you had a good week?
• 1:19
  Yeah.
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  Any golf?
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  It's been a decent week.
• 1:22
  No, no golf.
• 1:23
  Oh, I played paddle.
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  Paddle.
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  And football in the same day and pulled me on me.
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  I was going to say, you didn't survive that, did you?
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  Went over on my ankle and my knee can't take doing more than one exercise in a day.
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  Can't even take one.
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  So I'm struggling to walk at the minute.
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  But yeah, it's been a really good week.
• 1:41
  Nice.
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  Nice.
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  Tony, you?
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  Same, mate.
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  I've got too many kids, haven't I?
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  So yeah, I'm just working and cracking on, mate.
• 1:50
  Just, yeah, busy.
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  Fair play, fair play.
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  Well, let's dig into it then.
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  Another win for the Toffees.
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  We go into the international break in seventh place, nine points out of 15.
• 2:03
  Ozzy, is it a good start to the season?
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  Well, at the minute, we're invincible.
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  Do you know what I mean?
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  We're the Invincibles.
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  Arsenal have been being already the title holders.
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  We've gone longer without getting beat than they have.
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  We can currently call ourselves the Invincibles.
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  There's a couple of teams though, isn't there still?
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  Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, less of that, less of that.
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  We're the Invisibles at the minute.
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  Now, do you know what?
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  It's been a really good start.
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  If we'd have said at the start of the season, you're going to go up to that first international break, because I think I mentioned before, you always sort of identify, you know, a run of four or five games.
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  Let's perform up to that, maybe the transfer window or up to the international break up.
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  When they come back, they'll probably identify the spell between when they're back and the next international breakers, see how many points we can get in there.
• 2:53
  So for this first one, taken on its own...
• 2:57
  brilliant I mean we'd have all said that we'd go in there with hardly conceded any goals we've kept a good few clean sheets we've what is it three clean sheets four clean sheets including the cups we've scored four goals your striker Tiano Barry's got a few now
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  we'd be unbeaten, we'd be in the top six or seven in the league.
• 3:24
  I think we'd have all been made up.
• 3:27
  I mean, there are still things to improve on.
• 3:30
  There are still things that probably went our way because as much as...
• 3:34
  We probably could have, should have beat Tottenham, because especially when you look at the other games and you look at maybe that was, at the time I felt it was a really good point.
• 3:42
  Maybe you're looking back at the end, oh, considering how they're playing, it might be points dropped.
• 3:47
  We have to remember that we nicked late goals against Bournemouth and Man Utd, despite us deserving a point, we got those goals late.
• 3:54
  So I think all around it's been pretty good and I've been pleased with the character shown.
• 3:58
  Tony, have you enjoyed the start?
• 4:00
  Yeah, I think we've done well.
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  I think we've done really well, to be fair.
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  So happy.
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  Just that the lads are playing good football.
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  You know what?
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  It most impressed me with creating loads of chances.
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  Lads are getting on the ball and the creativity is better than it was last season.
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  I think I said just by purely creating more chances and I do think eventually Tiano Barry will start slotting more and more
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  I think he will get on a run at some point in the season.
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  So we've just got to keep getting behind him.
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  Super impressed with Keane and Juice Burel.
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  And Tariq George.
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  I just think really good footballers.
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  Once Jimmy Garner gets up to speed,
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  I think we'll be perfect.
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  I think everything's spot on.
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  The defence looks solid.
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  Jared Brantway coming back into the team is a real...
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  It's a blessing.
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  You need someone like him, mate.
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  You really do.
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  Tarky's been his normal self.
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  You can rely on him.
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  He's a threat up top.
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  I'm from set pieces.
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  Er...
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  it's come to what we've expected from James Tarkowski.
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  You know, he's reliable, he's consistent, he's a steady seven every week.
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  You know, and then when he pops up with a goal, he's a nine.
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  So, you know, it is what it is.
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  It's a...
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  Niles, it has been nice to see him in the system and in the team.
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  So I think it's an acquisition that was massively, massively needed.
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  And I'm not going to lie, I think it was a gamble because you just don't know if he's going to fit in and go in so well.
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  But it's paid off.
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  I think he's been brilliant.
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  Tony, is it a gamble in the Premier League now for £4 million?
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  Massive.
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  £4 million for a player?
• 5:52
  No, I don't think...
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  I don't think it's a gamble.
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  It's a massive gamble.
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  I don't mean it's a gamble just playing him.
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  It's not a gamble to take him on board because the money's so minor.
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  No, it's not a gamble for the board and people like that.
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  It's not a gamble, no.
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  But for the manager to go, for him then you could just throw him in.
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  I think it's a gamble.
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  It's paid off.
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  The gaffer's obviously done his research, done his due diligence on him.
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  He definitely does that.
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  Yeah.
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  To put him in and to be trusting him and for it to pay him off, it shows you David Moyes knows what he's doing.
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  because no one else was coming for him.
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  And let me tell you, a lot of people were after right-backs in the Premier League.
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  I don't know what it is or why it is, but a lot of different teams needed that right-back position filling.
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  And we weren't the only ones.
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  So I can imagine Maitland-Niles would have had options.
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  He's chose Everton, and Everton chose him for a reason, and he's shown why.
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  So, yeah, that's made up.
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  You know what I've picked up on this week?
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  I've heard loads from various other sources about these running stats.
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  Yeah.
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  And it is one, the goal goal and man your eyes is 20th on the running stats and stuff like that.
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  But do you know who's 18th?
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  Top of the league.
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  City.
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  So it just makes you laugh, doesn't it?
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  This isn't about running stats.
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  If it was about running stats, go join the areas, get in the Olympics.
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  It's about playing football.
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  It's about playing football.
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  So, you know, I'm sick of this nonsense and everything's so statistically driven now, stat-driven.
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  How much clearer can you say?
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  So, you know, OK, we're in your eyes to the 20th.
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  Well, who's top?
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  Who's top of the league?
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  18th for running stats.
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  So just do one.
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  Do one with your stats and your iPads and your coming out and giving us this, you know,
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  tactical jargon that's just nonsense is there not something to be said though about United not running I watched the last game on the weekend City obviously don't run then as well what's the difference Lee
• 7:49
  They've got the Viking, haven't they?
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  I agree with that every time.
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  But, you know, okay, Man United aren't growing, but City aren't running, and then obviously is their 18th.
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  I tell you what, first thing I've said is Tony's done his research again.
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  You know, he doesn't like people who do their research, Liam.
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  You know, he's got names for people who do their research.
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  Come on, I'm aware of that, Tony.
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  Do you want me to just be totally honest about what I know?
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  I've done absolutely no research.
• 8:16
  I've been with the physio on the bed this morning, he's been going right through my hamstring and my calf and everything.
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  And he's coming up with this, he's getting it off his chest and he's obviously not happy about all this nonsense that they come up with the iPads.
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  He's one of them physios who believes a physio can do everything, knows everything.
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  He knows all the scents.
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  He's like that fella in The Naked Gun, you know, where he goes round and talks to the fella on the street and he knows absolutely everything about everyone.
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  That's him for me.
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  He knows everything about everyone.
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  So yeah, he just gave me that fact this morning so I just thought I'd share it with all you.
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  It's probably wrong now, my luck.
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  But he told me...
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  I haven't seen it yet, but it wouldn't surprise me.
• 8:53
  But the thing about running stats, it's relative to your style of play.
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  So if you're a Man City and you're keeping the ball and you dominate possession, then generally when you've got the ball, you know, four times out of five, you don't have to run as much or at least you run when you want to.
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  You keep the ball until you go and have a burst.
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  Obviously, you can run with the ball to make spaces and all that, but you tend to, on average, run more without the ball.
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  But...
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  because of what City are because of what United are at the moment City top of the league keeping the ball everything's going great getting in good positions manipulating the ball moving the ball well they don't have to run as much Manchester United they're
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  are doing really, really badly.
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  They're underperforming.
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  They're struggling.
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  So the least that you kind of asked for, the least we would ask for if we're Everton fans and we're saying, you're not playing very well, but please tell me you're at least running around and charging around and showing how much you care, showing you're trying to fly into tackles, show that we're not getting beat because you're not working hard enough.
• 9:57
  That's an easy thing to fix.
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  If you...
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  outworking your opponent, then you're giving yourself a chance.
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  Growing up, one of the things, and I'm not just talking about David Moyes' teams, I'm talking about going back to, as far as I can remember, 10, 11, 12-year-old teams back there.
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  The first thing was, pretty much every team talk, in some way or another, consisted of
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  if you're outworked them, if you do better than, if you win your battles and you're outworked them, then your quality will show through, then your talent will show through.
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  So City's talent is so exceptional that they're able to keep the ball and make the opposition work, but Manchester United aren't doing that at the minute.
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  So you'd say, go and outwork the opponents, go and win your battles and then your quality will take over.
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  That's what I think Everton are doing at the minute.
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  I think the majority, I think we've been up for the battle.
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  I don't think we've dominated every game by any stretch of the imagination.
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  Yeah.
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  But I think that we, I think we're competing.
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  I think we're getting close to people.
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  I think we're putting tackles in.
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  I think about a couple of players you just mentioned, Jared's in the England squad and rightly so.
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  But I thought Tarkey was the best centre-half against Dipswich.
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  I thought he was the one who stepped up.
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  I think it's great about Tarki at the minute, the fact that that ball comes out the sky for the goal and everyone's thinking, go on, volley it.
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  I mean, we're talking about a centre-half, 35-plus yards from goal, but he strikes them so sweetly, doesn't he, at the minute that we're all thinking, go on, volley it.
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  So that was great.
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  I think Keane always been giving them lessons.
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  Maybe.
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  Maybe they go off on their own and instead of doing defending and heading and kicking each other, maybe they're doing volleys.
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  They're hard volleys.
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  They're hard volleys.
• 11:35
  What do you make a Beto's goal of?
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  I've had talks, I've had arguments about this.
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  I still think he meant to.
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  Or at least... Or at least in the sense of...
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  I think he is trying to get out the way of it, but I do still think he's... That means he didn't mean it, though, if he's trying to get out the way of it.
• 11:59
  No, well, you are trying to...
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  If someone's having a shot, you're trying to get out the way of it, but at the same time, you can still turn your chest, or you can still direct it towards goal, or you can still...
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  Instincts...
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  I'm just picturing me in that situation.
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  Your instincts take over.
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  You're jumped on the floor, you shitter.
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  I was going to say, have they gone over you there?
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  Hey, I...
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  I just... You're out on their leg.
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  I kick him out and he's down, Lee.
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  That's it.
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  Go on.
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  That was harsh, that one.
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  That was harsh, that one.
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  I scored a couple of goals just by, you know, getting little Nicky deflections on them and allowing them to go in.
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  So I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt, but I know a number of people who are adamant that he had no clue what happened there.
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  You're obviously in that camp, Tone.
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  I just think...
• 12:42
  I'm on your camp I think he tried to move out the way of it and it's as simple as that he thought I don't want to get whacked by this and then you know what I did get whacked and I've scored again but I thought the second goal I got disallowed now that's a good goal
• 12:55
  that's probably his best goal this season before we get on to that in a set I still think he's moved out of the way moved his chest but sort of just just chucked his belly chest arm at it all at the same time it doesn't make sense if he's moved out of the way of it that he meant for it to him you understand what moving out of the way means moving out of the way I don't want to get hit
• 13:16
  No, that's in boxing terms.
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  But because in boxing terms, you move out the way of it because you don't even want to take a glance and hit because that'll hurt.
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  In football, if the ball's coming at me, I can move out the way, but only just enough where it flicks off the side of my head or flicks off my arms.
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  Because if I stand still, it's going to hit me flush in the face, maybe, or flush in the chest.
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  But if I move just slightly, then it's going to hit me and, you know, take a ricochet and go in a different direction.
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  I don't mind getting a glance and blow in football.
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  I'm not, it's not like boxing.
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  So a glance and blows are good in football.
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  And I think that's...
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  I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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  It was a good goal.
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  He scored again.
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  And as you said, he was absolutely robbed for his second goal, which could arguably have been his best goal of the season because it was a brilliant header.
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  Great neck muscles, great direction.
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  Exactly what he was doing to the far post after a great delivery in.
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  And somehow...
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  that goal didn't stand.
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  What was your thought to her when you saw it?
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  Come on, Tony, go first.
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  Good goal.
• 14:18
  I'm having that good goal.
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  The fact that the keeper can see everything and Brennan Johnson, I get where the position he's in, but I just thought, come on, mate, you're not manipulating the goalkeeper there.
• 14:30
  And the fact that he's moving either side, you've just been beat and VAR will do anything.
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  It's evident.
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  I'm surprised he didn't deduct us 10 points after the game again.
• 14:39
  you know what I mean nothing would surprise me with the Premier League to be honest so it just annoys the life out of me but it is what it is you know it's Everton it's what we do we've just got to keep striving keep battling keep fighting and keep the hunger levels up we're slowly but surely turning Hill Dickinson into a place that teams don't want to come
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  I think the atmosphere picks up, I think we're all behind the team and that's me thought about the Hilda, we're slowly turning it round now.
• 15:09
  It's not one of them places where they're like, oh it's a lovely place, I can't wait to go there and play.
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  It's a place that's starting to turn into, you're going to have to fight here lads, you want to get points here mate, you're going to have to fight for it.
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  And that's it.
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  We've shown against the back end of last season against City, what we're capable of, when the crowd's up, when they're on us.
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  Everyone forgets this.
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  The league was in City's hands until they turned up at the Hill Dickinson.
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  It was in their hands.
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  We're the ones who changed the league last season.
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  We're the ones who decided the fate of the Premier League last season.
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  No one else was.
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  So people need to remember that and coming to the Hill Dickinson, it's not an easy feat anymore.
• 15:46
  The sooner teams realise that, the better, mate.
• 15:50
  What do you think of the goal, though, Liam?
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  The offside one.
• 15:54
  Yeah.
• 15:56
  I'm still not finished raving about that one.
• 15:58
  Yeah, yeah.
• 15:59
  I'm trying to work out who's fault.
• 16:01
  Are we just going to go as simple as, again, the example of the Man City United one, where it's just people in the room just making the wrong decision and another mistake?
• 16:11
  Is it as simple as saying it's human error again?
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  I mean, it shouldn't be human error.
• 16:16
  They should be getting these decisions right, but...
• 16:18
  Where do you stand on him?
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  Well, officially, I mean, we all know that the incident the week before is the one that's influenced it.
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  The Manchester City goal at United, which was a moment where
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  Enzo Fernandes being offside influenced Martinez's ability to get the ball in and the decision he was making on even the goalkeeper as the ball was flashed across.
• 16:47
  So that one, yeah, quite publicly should have been ruled out.
• 16:51
  Howard Webb came out, didn't he, and said that it was a mistake.
• 16:55
  And I think that's influenced this moving forward.
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  Now, officially...
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  I think the refs can say that he was in an offside position and there is potential for him to have interfered with the goalkeeper.
• 17:08
  Now, if that had been given by the assistant straight away and they'd have given that decision offside, I don't think VAR would have got involved to overrule it because there is enough sort of evidence that he has stood right in front of the goalkeeper.
• 17:21
  But when we're talking about high bars and we're talking about them not getting involved, that was the frustrating thing for me.
• 17:27
  Nine out of ten people, nine out of ten pundits I've spoke to, I've said that there's absolutely no way that the goalkeeper could have made that save.
• 17:37
  Nothing else happened except the shot.
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  going in the far post.
• 17:40
  The only person Brandon Johnson was influencing and he wasn't actually touching him at the time of contact.
• 17:45
  The goalkeeper was touching him but he still was in front of him in an offside position.
• 17:48
  But the only person he could have influenced was the goalkeeper and even if you had to give the goalkeeper a head start, a running start, told him where it was going and told him to go and take three paces before Tieno had even had the ball, he still wouldn't have saved it.
• 18:02
  Put two goalkeepers in there, they wouldn't have saved it.
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  So in that sense, was he influencing?
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  Did he interfere with play?
• 18:08
  No.
• 18:09
  In my opinion, no.
• 18:10
  In most people's opinions, no.
• 18:12
  I was surprised that one or two pundits on the Saturday night didn't give it a little bit more highlight.
• 18:22
  They just sort of said that this is what happened.
• 18:25
  I thought that they'd highlight that a bit more, that he wasn't really interfering because...
• 18:32
  That was a frustrating moment for us because that actually should have been a good goal from Sierra Barry, who was trying to get him more goals, trying to get him more confidence, and that would have settled the game down.
• 18:41
  The game would have been comfortable after that.
• 18:43
  It would have been an easy breezy run-in.
• 18:45
  Instead, we got...
• 18:47
  We were quite good for the next 10 or 15 minutes to have scored.
• 18:51
  We only had two shots on target all day, I think out of 21, which was the disappointing part of the day.
• 18:55
  Tony, you were right about us creating more and us being more positive and we are creating big chances like we did at Spurs last weekend.
• 19:03
  And here we didn't take the chances.
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  And then suddenly it's a real nervous stadium.
• 19:07
  It's a real nervy finish up against 10 men.
• 19:09
  So that goal could have changed the atmosphere in the stadium and it wasn't allowed to.
• 19:17
  One question I want to ask Maybe slightly devil's advocate Is there an argument that we're slightly At times riding our luck In games with narrow wins And late equalisers Or are we saying that we actually are happy With the performances so far What do you think Tom?
• 19:35
  Yeah we are riding our luck
• 19:37
  Absolutely.
• 19:38
  And it'll bite us.
• 19:40
  So, gotta learn to kill games.
• 19:44
  I just think, yeah, that will, you win a 1-0 against an Arsenal or the City or something like that in that kind of manner.
• 19:54
  you're going to get punished.
• 19:56
  The better quality players will punish you.
• 19:59
  You've got to remember who we're playing against, first and foremost.
• 20:02
  You know, see who's brand new to the league.
• 20:06
  So yeah, know who you're up against, know your opponents, but I don't know, it's just...
• 20:13
  There's a flip side to that coin as well.
• 20:14
  Also, when you're on top and teams are coming in, I think Everton is such a better counter-attacking team.
• 20:21
  I think we struggle with, even though we're creating more chances, which I've said earlier on, I think our best style is counter-attacking.
• 20:29
  You know, players who find holes, find spots.
• 20:31
  People like Brennan Johnson.
• 20:32
  Do you know what?
• 20:35
  Brian Johnson's had a good few chances now like he said he's been in some really good positions he should be on a few more goals I don't want to sound harsh but he should be on a couple more goals now because he's a good player and like the first five minutes he come on I forget which game it was a couple of games back anyway first five minutes he comes on for TNO Barry he's a one-on-one situation
• 20:56
  and he doesn't hit the target.
• 20:57
  Two really good thingos now I've seen, when he hasn't hit the targets on either one.
• 21:01
  That was in the cup, that game.
• 21:02
  That was against Wolves.
• 21:04
  If you're going off that kind of thing, I've just got to be thinking purely now, and well, the next two probably go for him.
• 21:10
  Because on the law of averages, a player of his quality and his standard, he'll miss two, the next two's going to go.
• 21:15
  And that could be the case.
• 21:16
  And if that's the case, then so be it.
• 21:18
  That he's slotting 50-50 ratio.
• 21:21
  but I just want to see that bit more killer instinct from the players.
• 21:25
  I think at the back we're brilliant.
• 21:27
  No, I think you're right.
• 21:28
  And Brennan Johnson had a huge chance.
• 21:30
  He should have scored a couple of goals.
• 21:31
  He had a huge chance at the start of the Ipswich game, which was really good play from us, moving the ball quickly, good passage, good fired ball into him, and he did the hard part and controlled it on the move, coming across and dragging it back.
• 21:45
  That was the difficult part of what he had to do.
• 21:48
  and then he had a free shot at the goalkeeper from inside the penalty area, which I was convinced the goalkeeper had saved to start with from my angle because I thought there's no way he can miss the target from there.
• 21:58
  The keeper must have saved it.
• 22:00
  But that was a bad miss.
• 22:01
  But he also missed that chance against Spurs.
• 22:04
  He had the best chance in the game against Spurs.
• 22:07
  And if we score that, we win that game.
• 22:09
  So rounding you back to the question you asked Tony, Liam, are we riding our luck a little bit?
• 22:17
  I don't know.
• 22:17
  Maybe.
• 22:19
  Maybe because, you know, last minute goals against Man United and Brentford, sorry, Bournemouth, maybe make you think that we're riding our luck a little bit.
• 22:30
  Rolled out the last 10 minutes of the Ipswich game, although...
• 22:34
  we should have been a better position uh but we've had chances we could have won against spares we were we were unlucky in that game we should have scored more against tips which we should have so i'm not fully convinced that we're riding our luck but even if we are i would say why not enjoy it because let me tell you over the course of the season there'll be moments when we're not riding our luck when things are going against us and we're coming away going bloody hell typical ever we were
• 22:59
  robbed there or we were unlucky there or things didn't go well for us there and even that goal Ciano Barry's goal getting disallowed we just spoke about that's gone against us so
• 23:09
  Look, roller coasters, people say you're in your own luck.
• 23:11
  Yeah, you probably do, but things will go for you and against you over the season.
• 23:16
  Never look for the negatives.
• 23:18
  You should never look for the negatives when you are getting a little bit of luck or when the rub of the greens go in your way.
• 23:23
  Don't look for the negatives.
• 23:24
  Actually, embrace it, be positive.
• 23:26
  What's all this modern generation thing?
• 23:27
  Manifest.
• 23:28
  Manifest more luck.
• 23:30
  Let's try and think about more rather than do what we do as Evertonians.
• 23:35
  And I am a culprit as much as anyone else where we think, oh, negative's coming.
• 23:41
  Oh, Ipswich are going to equalize zero.
• 23:43
  And we start to imagine that the worst is going to happen.
• 23:47
  So let's enjoy the luck when it's here.
• 23:49
  Oz, do you know when it comes to Brennan Johnson?
• 23:51
  Is a part of that as a player that he hasn't been playing much football the last season or so and it'll come the more he's playing?
• 23:59
  Does that play a factor?
• 24:01
  Yeah, at times.
• 24:03
  I think you only have to look at Jimmy Garner for that at the minute who I'm pleased he's been called up to the England squad and that'll help him
• 24:10
  with his sharpness for us, because he's going to go into some intense training over the next three weeks.
• 24:14
  I was going to ask you on that, just before you carry on with Brennan Johnson, do you think that's a positive that Jimmy Garner's in the England squad?
• 24:20
  Did he need more rest, or do you think it's sharpness?
• 24:24
  No, for Garner, because he... For Jarrod Brantwaite, I want to wrap him in cotton wool.
• 24:28
  But he's probably going to go there and play and be involved.
• 24:32
  For Jimmy Garner, it's the opposite.
• 24:34
  You need him to go and play, be involved in everything sharp, be involved in sharp training, be involved in games, be involved in everything.
• 24:40
  Because he is still lacking a yard.
• 24:42
  I've never seen him give the ball away as much as he did in the first 45 minutes of that game against Dipswich the other day.
• 24:48
  So...
• 24:50
  we need him to get, we need him to get back to his best.
• 24:52
  So it's a good thing that he's going to go and play.
• 24:54
  And you can tell the levels when people aren't doing things automatically without thinking because they trust their body, they trust their technique, they know things are going well, confidence levels are through the roof.
• 25:04
  You've seen the type of players that people can get and you've seen the difference it can make when you're not full of confidence.
• 25:09
  And Brennan Johnson, he did play quite a bit last year.
• 25:12
  Yes, he was in and out for Crystal Palace once he went there.
• 25:16
  But,
• 25:18
  He's obviously lacking in confidence.
• 25:20
  Those things that have come natural to him, those moments where you just turn and hit it and you can probably do it with your eyes closed because you know where the goal is because everything's going sweet.
• 25:28
  It's like Erling Haaland's playing at the minute.
• 25:30
  Wow.
• 25:31
  You know, with knowing where the goal is.
• 25:33
  Um,
• 25:34
  So I do think he probably needs something.
• 25:36
  I think he needs something to fall his way more than Tieno Barry does at the minute.
• 25:41
  I think Brennan Johnson needs a tap-in at the far post or one of those shots to go in, run away, celebrate into the crowd.
• 25:49
  Let him realise that it's a great place to be a player at.
• 25:54
  more than Tierno Barry does, because I think Tierno's going to play.
• 25:57
  And I think Tierno is getting goals here or there, and we know who he is and his technique's going to get better.
• 26:02
  I think as we go along, maybe there's a limit on that, I don't know.
• 26:05
  But Brenna Johnson needs a big boost at the minute because he won't stay in the team as long as he probably wants to when he comes, or we thought he would when he comes, because he's got a couple of young players nipping at his heels at the minute who actually...
• 26:19
  are probably deserving of more game time in Tyler Diblin and Tariq George.
• 26:26
  Maybe even Alcaraz, who's done okay when he's come in.
• 26:28
  Did you enjoy Diblin's performance when he came on against Ipswich?
• 26:32
  Yeah, loved it.
• 26:34
  I thought he went without the ball for about 10 minutes and I was thinking, come on, Tyler, demand it.
• 26:39
  Just scream, put your hands in the air, get the ball.
• 26:40
  Yeah.
• 26:41
  But I think he received the ball five or six times in the next 10 minutes or so.
• 26:48
  And on five of them, he actually went, right, I'm going to go do something.
• 26:51
  And he put a brilliant ball into Tadjews Briole, who I think was probably done by the spin at the back post.
• 26:57
  I think he didn't account for the spin when he tried to head it back goalwards.
• 27:01
  He just...
• 27:02
  Because when the spin is coming like that, sometimes you have to head it wide of the far post because the spin will bring it back.
• 27:08
  And I think he just aimed for the goal and the spin took it off the side of his head.
• 27:13
  And the moment Diblin probably, I'm not going to say needs to sharpen up on because it was an incredible bit of play.
• 27:21
  but needs to figure out a way to get a shot, was when he chopped all three players at once.
• 27:25
  He went onto his left foot, did this, looked like he was going to hit it, chopped through all three of them, went for the dummy.
• 27:31
  And he just needed an extra touch that he didn't get out of his feet well enough to hit it with his right foot, because the space was there.
• 27:37
  By the time he sorted himself out, the chance had gone.
• 27:40
  And maybe that's...
• 27:42
  the difference in time and between the championship and under-21s, a reserve football where he can chop and he can still take an extra touch before he gets that shot away.
• 27:52
  We're at this level.
• 27:54
  Once you're chopped, you need to get shot away or you touch to get that shot away.
• 27:57
  It has to be quick.
• 27:58
  But you're seeing, I'm seeing a lot more from him in,
• 28:02
  A game and a half, probably not a game and a half, he came on after, what, an hour?
• 28:07
  So a game and a half.
• 28:08
  From what I've seen him in the last two games, I've seen more than I saw in the whole of last season.
• 28:12
  So I'm excited for him.
• 28:13
  Do you know what?
• 28:14
  I think it's... No one really brings this point to it no more because everybody's just doing the same thing, sticking a left footer on the right side and a right footer on the left side.
• 28:25
  If he's on the left side there and he chops him and does him, it's a shot on a stronger foot at goal.
• 28:32
  and he keeps asking to cut back the other way, and he's on his weak foot, his right foot, and it's quite clearly, and obviously, not as strong as his left side.
• 28:40
  If he's on the other side of the pitch, he gets a nice, clean shot at goal, and it probably goes in, because he's got a really good left peg.
• 28:48
  Yeah, I get what you're saying.
• 28:51
  But you can only... Illumina and I could do that because Illumina and I was a two-footed dribbler.
• 28:56
  Illumina could dribble with his left foot as much as his right.
• 28:58
  And I believed when Illumina and I cut in on his left foot.
• 29:01
  I really believed he was going to try and hit it with his left foot in the far corner.
• 29:05
  If you put Tyler Diblin on the right, first of all, all of his skill is still with his left foot.
• 29:10
  So when he cuts in onto his right, he's not doing any of that skill with his right foot.
• 29:15
  He's also not...
• 29:17
  I'm not believing he's going to try and bend one in the far corner with his right foot from there because you're talking about his technique.
• 29:22
  So if he did do that and did a certain amount of chop, he wouldn't create the space.
• 29:26
  The space is there because he's on that side and he's used his left foot and he could come inside and be dangerous with that left foot whip.
• 29:33
  All he needs to learn is, I mean, I'd be trying to, not teach him, but I'd be going over that with him again and again and again in training.
• 29:40
  Look, if you come in on your left...
• 29:43
  And there's a chance there to hit it, hit it.
• 29:44
  If not, you're chopping your back onto your right and hit it quick.
• 29:47
  He showed me all in that little movement, how he can get goals and how we can get goals out of him.
• 29:51
  He just needs to sharpen up that last little bit to get his shot away quicker.
• 29:55
  But yeah, his skill level is very good.
• 29:59
  How he manipulates the ball, the closeness he has to his feet when he's moving are all things we knew about.
• 30:06
  but I'm liking to see the confidence levels he's showing now.
• 30:09
  But he's in the team because he's shown he can defend and work hard as well.
• 30:13
  Do you think he deserves a start in the next game in the Premier League?
• 30:18
  Yeah, probably.
• 30:20
  The only thing about that is, you know, when you're trying to find places for him to play, he's got to the point where he's pretty much earning a,
• 30:31
  the conversation about starting now.
• 30:32
  I know a lot of people that would start him, a lot of people that wouldn't.
• 30:35
  The good thing next time is he's up against Hull.
• 30:38
  That's our next game, which is a game you'd think, oh, that's an opportunity to bring him in.
• 30:43
  Because after that, we've got Chelsea and then Arsenal.
• 30:46
  So you're actually probably thinking Hull might be a good one.
• 30:48
  But I'm also now thinking as a manager, away from home against a team like Hull who have worked really hard and they've got well more points than normal.
• 30:58
  Um,
• 30:59
  Am I starting him away from home in that one?
• 31:01
  If that was Hull at home in the next game, no brainer, I'm starting him.
• 31:04
  All the way, I'm thinking.
• 31:06
  I don't know.
• 31:08
  It's a good talk.
• 31:09
  It's a good decision.
• 31:11
  I think, I don't know if you can start Diblin and Grealish at the same time either.
• 31:15
  By the way, I'm not saying they can't play at the same time, but they're both very similar.
• 31:19
  They're similar, yeah.
• 31:20
  So if you start Grealish on one side and Johnson on the other, you've got one who comes in and one runs long, whereas maybe it's Diblin on one side and George on the other.
• 31:29
  Maybe you start both of them and that gives you...
• 31:32
  the same balance but the opposite way around so yeah big decision but he's definitely got to the point where it's a serious conversation about it we need holders to behave themselves that's all we need we need holders to behave themselves and know the place
• 31:47
  We don't want to be getting mauled by the Tigers, do we, Tony?
• 31:49
  We don't want any of them celebrations.
• 31:51
  Oh, mate, I just don't need it.
• 31:52
  I just need to grow up and behave.
• 31:54
  Know your place.
• 31:55
  You don't belong here.
• 31:56
  To be fair, did you see the clip of the Everton fans saying the tube by the Toffees?
• 32:01
  I'm not sure if you saw it.
• 32:02
  I'm pretty sure Ozzy must have that song copyrighted.
• 32:04
  He said it first.
• 32:05
  He was one doing the Razz history.
• 32:07
  Oh, Tued.
• 32:07
  I thought he said Tued.
• 32:08
  Tued by the Toffees.
• 32:09
  I thought he said Tued.
• 32:10
  I was thinking Tued by the Toffees.
• 32:12
  What's that?
• 32:13
  Nah, that's the wrong voice.
• 32:14
  That's a totally different kind of party.
• 32:15
  Was it me who said that?
• 32:17
  Did I copyright that?
• 32:19
  It does sound a bit risky actually when you put it like that.
• 32:21
  Oh Tony, that's you again now.
• 32:25
  That's usually an Aussie joke.
• 32:27
  Can we talk about Chelsea getting pumped and Cundey talking nonsense?
• 32:33
  Because he knows me, that little weasel.
• 32:35
  He's got a hairline like a dandelion and he just annoys me.
• 32:37
  He's going, can Everton come back?
• 32:39
  Well if your hairline came back after you visit and take me, then Everton can come back.
• 32:46
  I've had enough of him.
• 32:47
  Him and his nonsense.
• 32:48
  And the little chunk as well.
• 32:49
  Oh, the two of them just leveled Everton and just gave it to us.
• 32:53
  When the two of them are support, absolutely.
• 32:56
  I have a great weekend.
• 32:57
  That's a pair of them.
• 32:58
  The two of them are laughing stock.
• 33:00
  Brentford went to, you know, Brentford just went right through Chelsea like a hot knife through butter.
• 33:06
  Absolute gold.
• 33:08
  I don't really have anything bad to say about Chelsea.
• 33:12
  I don't really dislike them in any way.
• 33:13
  I think they're actually a decent club.
• 33:15
  And Darren Barkley may support them.
• 33:17
  But the fact of that Cundey's wound me right up.
• 33:20
  And I'm sure the little dweeb used to play for Tottenham as well.
• 33:24
  Like the ones that played for Tottenham and Chelsea at hand.
• 33:26
  Yeah, I think he did, yeah.
• 33:27
  Yeah, he's just an annoying little man.
• 33:30
  Annoying pair of them.
• 33:32
  That'd get into your skin, did it?
• 33:34
  Wild me up, yeah.
• 33:35
  Just Everton are relevant, he said.
• 33:37
  That's funny enough, we've got more league titles than the pair of you are relevant, Muppets put together.
• 33:44
  It's a strange time of the season to say.
• 33:46
  Yeah, just call in, Tony.
• 33:48
  Yeah, just call in to the TalkSport studios.
• 33:50
  Yeah, about half nine on Friday night.
• 33:52
  Just turn off.
• 33:54
  choked a pair of them in that studio but yeah that would have been the time as you said Chelsea got battered I know battered I say battered they got yeah I thought it was a physical mismatch and did you hear what he said it was never a 3-0 game
• 34:11
  we've said that a few times I've been called out for it Tottenham getting pumped by Villarreal Chelsea can't defend yeah Tottenham getting pumped by Villarreal I don't do you want to do another funny stuff boys Unai Emery has won more
• 34:28
  league games at Tottenham's new ground and the last three managers put together.
• 34:35
  No way.
• 34:36
  Is that true, is it?
• 34:38
  Did the physio tell you that?
• 34:41
  No he didn't I just read it somewhere But yeah Unai Emery has won more Research again Has won more games at Tottenham Hotspur's new stadium the last three managers put together So I don't know how many times he's won there I don't know what he's done there but he's won every time he's been What a guy That is so bad Villa needed the win as well to be fair He's a brilliant manager De Zerbi's only won one and that was against us Who was before De Zerbi?
• 35:12
  They must have only won one game.
• 35:14
  Yeah, we're talking.
• 35:16
  The fellow Nuno?
• 35:17
  Was Nuno there?
• 35:18
  Nuno and Thomas Frank before, though.
• 35:20
  Thomas Frank, yeah.
• 35:21
  There you go.
• 35:22
  Oh, yeah.
• 35:23
  Thomas Frank and Nuno.
• 35:24
  It all makes sense.
• 35:25
  That's a great record.
• 35:27
  Oh, neat.
• 35:28
  They scored their first goals, though, to Spurs.
• 35:30
  But, yeah.
• 35:32
  Are they panicking just yet?
• 35:34
  I was going to say, how much more time has Dezevi got to turn that round until they have to make a decision?
• 35:39
  Yeah.
• 35:42
  I don't even think he sees Christmas.
• 35:43
  If Defer continues, he doesn't see Christmas.
• 35:45
  Yeah, end of October, I'd say, if it stays like this.
• 35:49
  If they show a bit of improvement, longer, but if it stays like this, if they've not won by October, then, yeah, probably that.
• 35:57
  What happened with Arsenal?
• 35:57
  Probably that.
• 35:59
  What happened?
• 36:00
  How weird did that come from?
• 36:01
  Now, Arsenal did get done by Brighton.
• 36:03
  Brighton, a great team at the minute, you know.
• 36:06
  Yeah.
• 36:07
  Some of their play and their rotations and their movements.
• 36:10
  And they were even, I mean, they scored goals from corners.
• 36:13
  They basically went up to Arsenal and said, what are you best at?
• 36:16
  Set pieces.
• 36:17
  Right.
• 36:17
  We're going to beat you at that as well.
• 36:19
  That was the bad thing about Brighton.
• 36:20
  You're not associated Brighton with set pieces, but bang, we'll outplay you.
• 36:23
  We'll outscore you.
• 36:25
  And we'll score.
• 36:26
  No corners.
• 36:26
  It's an older place.
• 36:27
  They annoy me as well.
• 36:29
  Shouldn't be doing that to team share.
• 36:31
  They're Brighton, you know what I mean?
• 36:33
  Shouldn't be doing that to big clubs.
• 36:35
  It's not on.
• 36:36
  It's just not on.
• 36:37
  That's not how football works, Tony.
• 36:38
  You've got to let the little guys have a chance.
• 36:40
  I know, but I don't like it.
• 36:41
  It makes me feel uncomfortable.
• 36:42
  It makes me feel uncomfortable.
• 36:44
  Because it makes me worry if they...
• 36:46
  It makes me worry because if they're stealing points, then we should be stealing points at places like that.
• 36:51
  I was going to say, does that not go the other way round for you?
• 36:54
  And you say, well, first of all, it shows that the Premier League is...
• 36:59
  basically the commodity that it is and the fact that it's dead competitive top to bottom everyone could beat everyone but then does it not make you think that if they can compete up there and Aston Villa got in the Champions League and the progression that despite us being languishing I'll say as we have done the last few years that once we start getting it right if we start getting it right
• 37:20
  then it's not a closed shop at the top and that we've missed out on because we've been not up there for the last so many years.
• 37:29
  It's not a closed shop.
• 37:30
  We can get back.
• 37:31
  We can do it right.
• 37:32
  You can get a manager or the manager can get you back to where you need to be.
• 37:38
  The investment's coming in.
• 37:41
  Do you not think of it like that?
• 37:42
  If Brighton could do it, look, we could do that too.
• 37:45
  No, I just think they don't belong there.
• 37:48
  I just think it's wrong.
• 37:49
  Sorry, I mean, that's just me tying it up to the pain.
• 37:52
  So what you're saying is every club that's in the Premier League already, I think there's six or seven clubs that haven't ever been out of the Premier League, in terms of right from the very start, not the clubs like Brentford who have not been relegated, who have all been in the Premier League.
• 38:09
  That's a good quiz question, that one, which I'll just give the answer away.
• 38:12
  Say that again, what's the stat on Brentford there?
• 38:15
  No, I was talking about the teams that have never been relegated from the Premier League.
• 38:19
  Yeah.
• 38:20
  And we always think of Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man United, us, Spurs, Brentford.
• 38:31
  Because we've been there from the start, and I'm sure there's like Brentford and maybe even Brighton have actually never been relegated from the Premier League.
• 38:38
  They've not been in there from the start.
• 38:40
  They've never been relegated.
• 38:42
  Do you know what Brentford...
• 38:43
  It's like a quiz question that would throw a lot of people.
• 38:46
  Brentford is an extractive opposition for managers and players because it's just the location.
• 38:52
  Top and bottom of it.
• 38:54
  It's also very well run in terms of...
• 38:56
  They're not a big club by any stretch of the imagination.
• 38:59
  The stadium isn't great and they've got virtually no trophies to the name.
• 39:02
  The stadium's all right, actually.
• 39:04
  But are you not...
• 39:05
  Sorry, go back to the thing.
• 39:07
  Are you telling me that these...
• 39:08
  clubs that are traditional that you think should be up there because you're thinking other teams should know their place.
• 39:14
  Are you trying to say that we should all be given like a 20 points head start at the start of the season because then everyone else will know their place?
• 39:20
  That sounds nice.
• 39:21
  That sounds absolutely fantastic.
• 39:23
  Give us all a better chance.
• 39:25
  And the others should all know their place.
• 39:26
  If Everton was given 20 points at the start, my optimism levels would be at peak level.
• 39:33
  I mean, I would be turning up to the studio and be like, wow.
• 39:35
  You think we'd stay up then?
• 39:37
  I think we've got a chance.
• 39:38
  We've really got a chance.
• 39:43
  I don't mean, I don't want to sound bad in the club, but you know what I mean?
• 39:47
  I just want us to do more.
• 39:48
  And that's all.
• 39:49
  I mean, that's the deep rooted issue.
• 39:51
  It is.
• 39:52
  It's what Everton have done to me, Lee.
• 39:54
  It's what Everton have done to me.
• 39:56
  It's not the other clubs, and I'm sorry to all you fans who are listening out there, but it's what Everton have done to me.
• 40:01
  You know what I mean?
• 40:03
  I just believe Everton deserves so much better.
• 40:06
  And so much more.
• 40:08
  And that's where this life's got me to, supporting Everton all these years.
• 40:13
  I believe Everton should want more.
• 40:14
  Do you believe right now that we're moving in the right direction, though?
• 40:17
  Yes.
• 40:18
  Absolutely.
• 40:21
  Do you believe that this success that we all want back is achievable this season?
• 40:28
  Or do you think it's a process?
• 40:30
  I think it's a process, but I believe the owners have got the right man in charge.
• 40:35
  And let's be brutally honest with you, the owners picked this man, the owners picked David Moyes to come back.
• 40:40
  And he made a brilliant decision by doing that.
• 40:43
  Because the people who were in charge previously didn't go to David Moyes or didn't look to make that decision at the correct time.
• 40:51
  They left them on the side for unbeknown reasons to us, but they all know themselves.
• 40:56
  This...
• 40:57
  The Freakton group have gone out there and got David Moyes.
• 41:00
  And now all we need for them to do is back him.
• 41:04
  And back him and that's it.
• 41:05
  And then you can't really ask any more from your ownership and you can't ask any more from your management.
• 41:10
  If it fails, it fails.
• 41:12
  I get it.
• 41:12
  But we can't ask any more if I decide as long as they back him and as long as he's allowed to make the decisions he wants to make.
• 41:24
  How many points do you think we need for the European slot?
• 41:27
  Have you got nine already?
• 41:29
  What would usually get us in?
• 41:31
  Have a look at the table last year.
• 41:32
  60... Do you know what?
• 41:35
  It obviously depends because obviously a few years back... Last year, six.
• 41:38
  Bournemouth, 57 points.
• 41:40
  Sunderland, 54 points.
• 41:41
  Brighton, 53 points.
• 41:43
  Got nine on the board in five games.
• 41:46
  I was going to say late 50s, to be honest.
• 41:48
  I think that's what we're capable of.
• 41:49
  If that gets us there, I'm not sure though.
• 41:52
  See, just thinking there off the top of my head, I was thinking when we was doing it, you were kind of having to get to the 60s, but there's nine teams got in Europe last season.
• 42:02
  I was thinking when six teams were getting Europe, five, six, you know, that kind of thing.
• 42:05
  So if it is the same again this year, if the European qualification spaces are stretched in the way that they are league-wise, then yeah, we are very capable of getting, I think we'd be disappointed if we didn't get mid-50s points-wise.
• 42:20
  We were in a struggle getting 60s.
• 42:22
  But you have to aim for it.
• 42:24
  But again, it's all relative to the whole league.
• 42:26
  So, for instance, last few seasons, the league has been getting one with 80 points.
• 42:33
  Three or four seasons before that, it was getting one with 99 and 100.
• 42:36
  And, you know, the teams at the top were taking all the points.
• 42:42
  So it was less filtered up.
• 42:44
  Yeah, so it's all relative to how the league pans out this year.
• 42:50
  So already the teams that have come up are winning games, winning more games than they did not last season because last season was a good year for the newly promoted teams.
• 43:01
  But go back two or three years, there was a spell of three seasons where the newly promoted teams hardly won a game.
• 43:06
  They hardly took any of the points here.
• 43:08
  So that meant that European qualification and seventh, sixth and fifth was probably more points than higher.
• 43:15
  Whereas now, with it getting spread out a bit more, it may be a bit lower.
• 43:18
  So we just need to look after ourselves, be competitive.
• 43:21
  I'd be happy if we keep this defensive record.
• 43:23
  I know it's hard,
• 43:25
  I don't know where we all want to see attacking football.
• 43:28
  And Tony, you're right, we are actually creating a lot of chances that we could finish them.
• 43:32
  But I would love to go through this next spell with another three clean sheets out of five games.
• 43:36
  Oh, brilliant.
• 43:37
  Do you know what I mean?
• 43:37
  I'd bite your hand off for that.
• 43:39
  Who are we looking at?
• 43:41
  Who are we looking at now, right?
• 43:43
  Who's going down?
• 43:44
  I know there's only five games in, but these people are picking up points and they're making me anxious.
• 43:49
  I'm not going to lie.
• 43:51
  So my opinion on who's going down has changed.
• 43:54
  There ain't three that come up.
• 43:56
  Well, I'll tell you what, I was going to ask some quickfire questions as we go into the international break, a nice way to sort of recap the start of the season.
• 44:03
  So let's start with that.
• 44:04
  Who is in trouble to go down?
• 44:06
  Is there any changes there from what you guys initially picked?
• 44:09
  Spurs are in trouble.
• 44:12
  They've been too spursy.
• 44:14
  Spares are spares, mate, spares are interesting.
• 44:17
  I thought that this year was going to sort out.
• 44:18
  He spent a fortune, boys.
• 44:20
  He spent an arm and a leg.
• 44:23
  He's not messing up, but Tonali for about 500 million.
• 44:26
  It's just...
• 44:28
  He spent a fortune.
• 44:30
  They spent 330 million, I think it was.
• 44:33
  Oh, my Lord.
• 44:33
  They're about... And you've got waste.
• 44:37
  I thought only Everton could do that.
• 44:39
  I mean, we spent half a billion and got waste.
• 44:41
  Yes.
• 44:44
  Yeah.
• 44:45
  Do you think they're going down us?
• 44:47
  No.
• 44:48
  I think they'll find a way.
• 44:52
  In the same way when we were going through this spell and we were struggling, we were all panicking.
• 44:58
  But, and Spurs have actually got more sort of... Has it never looked this bad?
• 45:03
  Not for us, us.
• 45:04
  We weren't getting beat like they're getting beat, us.
• 45:06
  Not this bad.
• 45:06
  Yeah, yeah.
• 45:09
  We were having bad runs.
• 45:11
  We were more competitive with them, but they have got a stronger squad than we ever had, I think.
• 45:15
  Yeah, they do, but they're not fighting them much.
• 45:17
  Across the board when you look at their players.
• 45:18
  So I look and think they'll find a way of getting out.
• 45:22
  They need to give Richarlison a game who's been pinned, don't they?
• 45:25
  I'll tell all what's been done to Rich, he laughed.
• 45:27
  Do you know about...
• 45:29
  That's for the manager to decide.
• 45:31
  I didn't imagine he'll get on.
• 45:31
  But I was reading, we were doing the show I was doing last week and goals within Spurs team over the last year and a bit.
• 45:41
  Richarlison's got 11 Premier League goals over the last year and a half, I think it was.
• 45:46
  The next Spurs player was on four.
• 45:49
  I think Tell had four and someone else had four.
• 45:52
  And you're looking at, Solanke had had a bit of a spell injured, but you're looking around and thinking, that's one of the reasons they're struggling.
• 45:59
  They can't seem to score goals.
• 46:01
  Kudus has been injured.
• 46:02
  Kulusevsky was injured.
• 46:03
  Madison was injured.
• 46:04
  They're real creative people.
• 46:06
  But they've still got enough talent.
• 46:07
  They had Savvy Simmons.
• 46:09
  They've got Tell.
• 46:09
  They've got other players in those positions.
• 46:12
  That's where they're struggling.
• 46:13
  But I do think they'll stay up.
• 46:14
  I do think when they come back, they'll be back.
• 46:17
  Did you see Richie's Instagram story?
• 46:19
  Yeah, it was like Zerby saying he won't be playing anymore and Richie just put like why with a crying face on his Instagram story.
• 46:28
  Didn't he really?
• 46:29
  Yeah.
• 46:30
  Ah, Richie's brilliant.
• 46:31
  Bless him.
• 46:32
  I think they're in real danger.
• 46:34
  Not real danger.
• 46:40
  Because they're a club that, mate, if they're still in that position come Christmas, I'm sorry, there's no way out.
• 46:48
  Like, you're just not doing it because it's so hard to turn around the trajectory of things and the way you're going and the way you're playing.
• 46:54
  Like, winning breeds winning.
• 46:56
  And if you just keep losing, losing, I'm sorry, just sticks to you, mate.
• 47:00
  You just keep losing.
• 47:00
  Do you think there's a point where they give Daishi a call?
• 47:03
  Oh, wow.
• 47:04
  That kind of thing.
• 47:05
  Oh, wow.
• 47:06
  But I'm saying, they are all about football and this, so let's find the most brilliant, up-and-coming, young foreign manager that's got a great name that we all love.
• 47:15
  Or do you think they turn around and go, right, who's about that just wins football matches?
• 47:20
  Say what you want about him, mate.
• 47:23
  Say what you want about him, he knows football.
• 47:26
  I don't care what they say, mate, he knows how to grind out his own.
• 47:28
  Are they bringing Sam Allardyce back?
• 47:30
  Are they bringing Sam?
• 47:31
  No, we'll go to Big Sam.
• 47:32
  Are they going that way?
• 47:32
  No.
• 47:34
  Daesh is a good shout but I think they'll have to but they'll have to wait till Christmas I mean do you know what the biggest thing is well Tottenham the mistake they could have made given the Zerby so long because you can't sack him it's so expensive to sack him didn't they give him a five year deal was it five years yeah I'm sure it was a two out five year deal
• 47:57
  I'm not sure the details on those these days and the compensation and the pay.
• 48:01
  I'm never sure about them.
• 48:03
  No, I know that, but you really backed him and you went all in on him, so I'm just thinking.
• 48:07
  And I wouldn't mind, even when he got control last season, I didn't really see much when he got older.
• 48:14
  It went down to... Did they go down to the last game with them?
• 48:18
  Or was it the game before they were safe?
• 48:20
  No, they had to not get beat by us, didn't they?
• 48:23
  Yeah, it was us, yeah.
• 48:24
  So, you know, it's not like he went in... We could have sent them down on that day.
• 48:28
  It's not like he went in and completely turned them around, is he?
• 48:31
  Like, he was still struggling with them last season, and for them to just go, right, you're the man, and just say, ooh, okay.
• 48:38
  He seems to have a very combative...
• 48:40
  sort of personality, doesn't he?
• 48:41
  It's not like when it goes in and makes everyone happy and gets around everyone and says, come on, we're all in this together.
• 48:47
  You know, you're Harry Redknapp types.
• 48:50
  He is literally going and it's my way or the highway.
• 48:54
  Harry's...
• 48:56
  Harry's probably busy in the jungle or something, and he's probably... For the eighth time.
• 49:00
  Whatever he's doing now.
• 49:01
  I think Mike Struggle, or is struggling at the minute, Fulham.
• 49:05
  Fulham have had a slow start to the season.
• 49:09
  Left big boots to Phil Silver.
• 49:12
  Yeah, they've got a few... You know, Arbelow is not...
• 49:15
  Yes, they did okay getting a draw against Liverpool, and obviously a draw against Man United, which would be positive results for them.
• 49:22
  They'll take the points and move on, but...
• 49:26
  Yeah, there's just something about the three defeats at the start of the season that they were a bit of a pushover.
• 49:33
  So I'd be concerned for them, but I do still think Coventry are going to go down.
• 49:39
  They've got to win.
• 49:39
  They've got their first win.
• 49:42
  Lampard's got their points on the board.
• 49:44
  Yeah, it was Nottingham away as well, yeah.
• 49:46
  Forest away, yeah.
• 49:47
  But I do think they're up against it.
• 49:50
  Would they class that as a Midlands kind of derby?
• 49:53
  Coventry where Coventry's more Midlands and it's East I mean the East Midlands is more Forest Leicester Derby okay that's their kind of derby but it is overall Midlands good clubs big clubs
• 50:14
  Covency always stick with me.
• 50:16
  They've been missing for so long, haven't they?
• 50:18
  They've been out the Premier League for so long.
• 50:21
  25 years, I think, or 26, 25, 26 years.
• 50:24
  I feel old now.
• 50:25
  I feel so old.
• 50:27
  You should.
• 50:28
  I know, but I remember Dion Dublin.
• 50:32
  I remember Gareth Farrelly's strike.
• 50:34
  Do you know what I heard today?
• 50:36
  Go on.
• 50:37
  I was like looking at my phone.
• 50:38
  What was it?
• 50:39
  Let me see if I can get it right.
• 50:40
  So I was born in 1981.
• 50:41
  1981 to 2026.
• 50:45
  is the same difference as 1981 to 1936.
• 50:52
  So people who were my age when I was born had been born in 1936.
• 50:56
  That makes you feel old.
• 51:00
  What do you sound like that for?
• 51:01
  Oh, yeah.
• 51:01
  What's the point in that?
• 51:03
  Because I don't know before the 70s or 60s maybe, everyone was old, weren't they?
• 51:08
  I'm just making you realise how old we are now.
• 51:11
  Didn't need to do that.
• 51:11
  I felt bad enough as it was.
• 51:13
  Sorry to anyone out there.
• 51:14
  That just made me feel even older.
• 51:16
  Yeah, sorry to anyone out there.
• 51:17
  It's roughly my age who's just realised those kind of numbers.
• 51:22
  Well, let's change the tune and make it a bit happier.
• 51:26
  We spoke about disappointing teams, so we're saying like Spurs, Fulham, probably throw United in the mix as well.
• 51:31
  Who has been the teams that have impressed you most?
• 51:34
  Who's been the biggest surprises to you this season so far?
• 51:36
  Bramford.
• 51:39
  Hull, surprising-wise.
• 51:42
  Although, Ipswich have done okay and they performed well against us.
• 51:47
  I didn't think they'd have as many points as they got.
• 51:49
  Hull didn't think they'd have as many points as they got.
• 51:51
  Was it eight points?
• 51:54
  Leeds?
• 51:55
  Leeds have surprised me a little bit.
• 51:56
  Leeds have started brilliantly.
• 51:58
  Very competitive.
• 51:59
  Scoring goals, winning matches.
• 52:02
  So, yeah, I think those are the teams that have surprised.
• 52:03
  Arsenal...
• 52:05
  And City, everyone expected to be at the top.
• 52:08
  Brighton are a steady team.
• 52:09
  They can have runs and they are near the top doing great at the moment.
• 52:13
  But yeah, I'd say Leeds, Hull.
• 52:16
  I can't take their manager seriously when he talks.
• 52:19
  Who?
• 52:20
  Which one?
• 52:20
  Leeds.
• 52:20
  Daniel Farker.
• 52:22
  Daniel Farker.
• 52:25
  Big summer blowout.
• 52:30
  I can't take him seriously.
• 52:31
  I'm sorry.
• 52:33
  I do respect you mate, but I can't take him seriously.
• 52:35
  He starts talking and I just start laughing.
• 52:38
  He's winning games though.
• 52:39
  I'm laughing and he's talking and I can't, I've never heard of it.
• 52:43
  He starts talking and I can't stop laughing.
• 52:47
  Imagine him shouting at you in the dressing room.
• 52:50
  Don't I?
• 52:53
  Yeah, it'd take a while before you could see through the laugh, wouldn't it?
• 52:58
  See them shouting at you in the dressing room, though.
• 53:01
  You'd be like, come on, mate, behave yourself.
• 53:03
  Get a grip of yourself.
• 53:05
  Who are you shouting at?
• 53:06
  Is that a shout or are you singing at me?
• 53:09
  He has done well, you know.
• 53:11
  He has done well, though.
• 53:15
  He's doing great.
• 53:16
  He must be singing in the dressing room.
• 53:18
  And they think he's talking, but he's singing.
• 53:20
  He's knocking a tune out at half time.
• 53:23
  Go down a karaoke night.
• 53:26
  Imagine him.
• 53:28
  Oh, my God.
• 53:29
  I just can't.
• 53:31
  Where's that voice come from?
• 53:34
  He's brilliant.
• 53:35
  But I just, I'm trying to replicate it and I can't even get it out because I'm thinking about it.
• 53:39
  He's German, isn't he?
• 53:41
  Yeah, he's German.
• 53:42
  Yeah, well, Leiden Klopp didn't talk like that, I'll tell you that for something.
• 53:47
  You would have liked it if he did that, wouldn't you?
• 53:49
  I would have been absolutely over the moon if Jürgen Klopp spoke like that.
• 53:52
  But he just sounded like an angry German who just got the best out of everyone around him.
• 53:57
  I mean, he even got the best out of me because I wanted to kill him that much.
• 54:01
  He got my anger levels to the highest I've ever been, that man.
• 54:05
  But yeah, this far, I just can't take him seriously.
• 54:10
  Fair, fair.
• 54:11
  Best performing player so far.
• 54:20
  I think Pascal Gross has got to be up there Yeah He's been Three goals, three assists He's big quality for Brighton And a good performance, good team Even in the Cup game when they went away He played well against United when they won Come back I'm sure he played in that game Yeah, he's been heavily involved In a player that
• 54:44
  left, came back, you feel, is a bit aging.
• 54:46
  He's come back and actually taking control of that team and he's done really well.
• 54:51
  The other one I'd say,
• 54:53
  who's not surprised me as such, but has played very, very well.
• 54:58
  It's Kevin Sharder for Brentford.
• 55:01
  The big fella up front, Thiago, probably hasn't scored the goals at the rate he was doing last season.
• 55:08
  Brentford have still been scoring and it's mostly down to Sharder.
• 55:11
  And his goal against Leeds was brilliant.
• 55:12
  That little flick over into the far corner.
• 55:15
  But if he's not scoring goals, he's involved in everything at the minute, Sharder.
• 55:18
  So I'd say those two...
• 55:21
  have been brilliant unexpectedly Cherky's been great to watch for City Vardial yeah Vardial's been the one he's been very good he's been absolutely you're all about big defenders and you know people get kicked and all that Vardial and Jordan Pickford yeah Pickford does go under the radar Jordan Pickford's been immense Jordan Pickford's been brilliant I've seen so far any clean sheets in the Prem and then five and seven games
• 55:49
  Bard the Olympic for the final And making saves Making some big saves Big saves Big saves One goal of the month First week Sorry Save of the month First weekend as well Made a big save Against Wolves In the cup That actually helped us Win the game So yeah Can't argue with that Can't argue with that Fair Is your title Winner changed From Arsenal Yeah City I'm going for I'm going for City
• 56:20
  Next week he'll be saying Brighton though.
• 56:22
  He jumps all over the place, doesn't he?
• 56:24
  I told you before, they need to grow up.
• 56:26
  They need to be able to tell us to know the place.
• 56:29
  I'm not going to...
• 56:29
  I was watching Gaelinic's pod, the rest of the day.
• 56:34
  Gaelinic did say a line like, could they do a Leicester?
• 56:36
  And I was like, oof.
• 56:37
  Be yourself.
• 56:38
  Be yourself.
• 56:39
  Stop it.
• 56:39
  Stop it now.
• 56:40
  Don't annoy me.
• 56:42
  Yeah, I don't think they will, but they're doing brilliant at the moment.
• 56:47
  And they've got goals from places I wasn't expected, and they've got players like they always do, Brighton.
• 56:54
  Stepping up that you've never heard of.
• 56:57
  What's the new one?
• 56:57
  Yal Kuei.
• 57:00
  who's stepped up.
• 57:01
  I don't know how old he is.
• 57:03
  He looks older than I think he actually is.
• 57:07
  But he's come in and done brilliant.
• 57:08
  The creepers playing left wing or something.
• 57:11
  I thought he was a full-back.
• 57:13
  Kostoulas, new centre-forward, done amazing as well.
• 57:16
  So they keep finding players.
• 57:18
  Did Gros play much last season or just came back like him?
• 57:22
  Because I remember him not last season, the season before that, he had a brilliant season, but last season I didn't really see him feature much.
• 57:27
  He moved, he signed for someone else and then in Germany, I think.
• 57:30
  There you go, that's why he didn't feature much and he wasn't even in the league.
• 57:33
  And then he came back probably in January.
• 57:36
  I mean, I'm just thinking off the top of my head now when he came back, played a little bit and now this season he started on fire.
• 57:43
  He started as a great player.
• 57:46
  I still think Arsenal win the league.
• 57:47
  Hmm.
• 57:48
  At this moment I'm not going to change I realise that the league has done over 38 games I'm not jumping ship after 5 games like Tony Do you know what it is 5 games later it'll change again Do you know what will be the difference to Viking They haven't got a killer up front and it's going to cost them I'm telling you it's going to cost them They just
• 58:09
  Erling Haaland's a monster, mate.
• 58:10
  He's a killer.
• 58:12
  And he's going to be the difference.
• 58:13
  City are going to win the league.
• 58:15
  I think that the difference between the teams we could talk about, actually, is City...
• 58:20
  In fact, it's what do you want to win?
• 58:22
  City are banging the goals in at the minute, but their control...
• 58:27
  defensively of games has not been what it has under Pet so they conceded a three to Sunderland they concede they tend they look like they're going to concede more goals this season but they look like they're going all out of tack that season in Moresca's way we'll score more than you we'll be great City's games are going to be great to watch
• 58:43
  Arsenal are going to defend the life out of it like they always do and get set pieces and get goals and they have got quality in the team also.
• 58:51
  So I think the majority of times the best defensive teams tend to win the Premier League.
• 59:00
  Majority of times you have to have a really good defence, good goalkeeper to win the league.
• 59:06
  So you'd say they're on top in that, but.
• 59:09
  I think the Premier League would love to see a City win the league with just blowing teams away, going and winning, scoring fours and fives every single game, scoring, you know, being brilliant on the ball.
• 59:20
  Not really, I'm not saying not caring about defender, but trying to make it look like it's not as important.
• 59:25
  If you could just outscore your...
• 59:27
  In boxing terms, it's basically going with no defence and just thinking, I'm going to knock it all out in the first couple of rounds.
• 59:33
  That's the way City are going about it at the minute.
• 59:35
  Arsenal are trying to win on points every game.
• 59:39
  I just think that they're so clinical in front of goal and the goals are coming from everywhere with City.
• 59:45
  And okay, yeah, they might be a bit leaky with defence, but it doesn't really bother, matter to anyone.
• 59:52
  You're winning games.
• 59:54
  And you're winning games.
• 59:56
  Listen to me, just win five-three every week.
• 59:57
  You'd be happy.
• 59:58
  No one's asked if you can see three goals because you'd score five.
• 1:00:02
  And that's the name of the game.
• 1:00:03
  Score more than the team you're playing against, and that's it.
• 1:00:05
  And I just think they're so...
• 1:00:07
  brutal on the attack going forward.
• 1:00:10
  I think Arsenal played really good football.
• 1:00:11
  It's really nice to see, but I'm telling you, they're going to pay the price for not having a killer up top.
• 1:00:16
  And we all see where I am.
• 1:00:18
  I don't know.
• 1:00:18
  I don't know.
• 1:00:19
  Kai Havertz is a really good footballer.
• 1:00:22
  You know, Jocker's numbers last season were decent 20 goals in his first season in English football.
• 1:00:28
  That's quite good, but that's for the whole season.
• 1:00:31
  And Kai Havertz... Have you noticed he's not getting a game now, though?
• 1:00:33
  Yeah.
• 1:00:34
  Marteta's sort of saying, although you scored the goals and you ran over the top, your football play, your build-up play is not as good as Havertz has given us.
• 1:00:41
  So he's going with the footballer rather than...
• 1:00:44
  The Bruce, who's running over the top and physically trying to score goals.
• 1:00:49
  I think that's interesting.
• 1:00:50
  But Arsenal will try and keep clean sheets.
• 1:00:53
  And that is the hope that it will get them over the line.
• 1:00:58
  And I think they've got a bit more know-how.
• 1:01:01
  from winning the league is what I mean.
• 1:01:03
  I think they've learnt a lot from winning the league.
• 1:01:05
  They won't panic having lost that game.
• 1:01:07
  It might reset them.
• 1:01:09
  It might remind a few of them that they're in a, you know, the difficulties that you have to overcome during the season.
• 1:01:17
  So I'm not quite worried for Arsenal.
• 1:01:19
  In the same sense of, I think, talked about us before in terms of keeping clean sheets, it's a good building block.
• 1:01:28
  It's a good way to have a foundation.
• 1:01:30
  And although it might not be as pleasing on the eye for fans at times, it is more effective.
• 1:01:36
  I mean, yes, Ipswich had 10 men for the majority of the game.
• 1:01:39
  But how many teams have you seen lose with 10 men?
• 1:01:42
  Manchester United played three times against 10 men in the last year, I think, lost all three.
• 1:01:47
  You know, we beat them at their place where we had 10 men for the majority of the game.
• 1:01:50
  It's not easy to sort of play against 10 men.
• 1:01:53
  Yeah, apart from one little block, I know there was a lot of nervousness in the stadium.
• 1:01:58
  Our defence was solid.
• 1:01:59
  Our defence was good.
• 1:02:01
  We look pretty good defensively overall.
• 1:02:03
  So, yeah, it's a good building block, I think, to start your team defensively.
• 1:02:12
  One team that we do need to worry about to round up this week is Tony's fantasy football team, sitting there right at the bottom of the barrel.
• 1:02:22
  It's only three teams, Liam, and you're getting very hopeful very early on, so not that's how you get your heart broken.
• 1:02:29
  He's all goody because he's top.
• 1:02:32
  I've been top for five weeks, boys.
• 1:02:34
  It's early days, son, it's early days.
• 1:02:37
  I'm not on the bench, shall I?
• 1:02:41
  Even though I've used me triple captain and used me wildcard and I've used me bench boost and I'm still not top.
• 1:02:48
  But I've not been paying attention to it.
• 1:02:50
  I've not been paying attention, promise.
• 1:02:52
  Wow.
• 1:02:53
  Wildcard, triple captain and bench boost.
• 1:02:56
  Wow, you've been at it in the first five weeks.
• 1:02:59
  I used me wildcard this week and absolutely blew up.
• 1:03:03
  Scored less points than I would have.
• 1:03:05
  I went and had a look.
• 1:03:06
  If I'd have left my team as it was, I'd have scored more points than when I used my wildcard.
• 1:03:10
  That's a kill, man.
• 1:03:11
  I'm going to be all right.
• 1:03:12
  I will start picking up points.
• 1:03:14
  I'm a slow starter.
• 1:03:17
  For anyone who's listening, is there a way of posting our sort of teams and our scores?
• 1:03:21
  We don't need to do that, Leon.
• 1:03:22
  Let's just figure out that.
• 1:03:24
  Maybe they can compare how their teams are doing.
• 1:03:27
  Is there a way of doing that?
• 1:03:28
  Yeah, we can pop it up on the episode or we'll do a social post.
• 1:03:31
  I was thinking, should we have some sort of punishment for the loser at the end of the season?
• 1:03:33
  I'll piss off.
• 1:03:35
  You can't just say that now when we're sitting.
• 1:03:39
  Okay, I'll abide by it.
• 1:03:41
  I'll take to it.
• 1:03:42
  Something like what?
• 1:03:43
  Are we talking?
• 1:03:45
  Swimming across the Albert Dock?
• 1:03:48
  No, I'm not a good swimmer.
• 1:03:50
  We lose Aussie.
• 1:03:51
  Yeah, no thanks.
• 1:03:52
  That's to be something we can do.
• 1:03:58
  What have you did?
• 1:03:59
  I don't know.
• 1:04:01
  Let's see if there's any suggestions come in.
• 1:04:03
  People suggest the punishment.
• 1:04:04
  Yeah, true.
• 1:04:05
  Put it in the comments.
• 1:04:06
  Let's just get this out here now.
• 1:04:08
  No one's putting a Liverpool top on.
• 1:04:10
  So, for any Copites, we'll listen to this because of the strange lot.
• 1:04:15
  I'm not putting a Liverpool top on now.
• 1:04:17
  So, just don't even think about it.
• 1:04:19
  Me either.
• 1:04:19
  That's fair.
• 1:04:20
  That's right there.
• 1:04:21
  Yeah.
• 1:04:21
  Yeah, that's a non-negotiable, that.