Latest / THE DAILY BRIEF / 'PROFOUNDLY corrupt' Trump SUED over scheme to sell access to Truth Social posts
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Extraordinary, corrupt, and unconstitutional. Is how the new feature of
- 0:05Speaker 1: truth Social where individuals can pay extra for early access
- 0:09Speaker 1: to the president's post, is described in a new lawsuit
- 0:12Speaker 1: file today Intercept Media and the Freedom of the Press
- 0:15Speaker 1: Organization aursuing Donald Trump over the new service. The suit
- 0:19Speaker 1: says this scheme is profoundly corrupt. The President stands to
- 0:23Speaker 1: gain financially by giving market moving government information to those
- 0:26Speaker 1: who are willing and able to pay his personal company.
- 0:30Speaker 1: I want to bring in legal analysts and former US
- 0:32Speaker 1: attorney Joyce Vance. She is now a professor at the
- 0:34Speaker 1: University of Alabama School of Law. Plus writer and editor
- 0:37Speaker 1: for Protect Democracy Amanda Carpenter is here. Donald Sherman is
- 0:41Speaker 1: still with us. His group crew brought the lawsuit trying
- 0:44Speaker 1: to stop Donald Trump from profiting off advance access to
- 0:47Speaker 1: his post. Donald tell me about this suit.
- 0:50Speaker 2: Well, once again the President is selling access. This time
- 0:55Speaker 2: it relates to market moving information, which includes true social
- 0:59Speaker 2: posts from the President and other government officials that have
- 1:05Speaker 2: a significant impact on our economy and on small investors.
- 1:12Speaker 2: More importantly, for our clients, the INTERCEP and the Free
- 1:15Speaker 2: Press Foundation granting this kind of preferential access to the
- 1:19Speaker 2: president's public statements to paid subscribers violates their First Amendment rights,
- 1:24Speaker 2: which guarantee Americans equal access to the president's public announcements.
- 1:29Speaker 2: Then it also violates the Fifth Amendment, which prohibits the
- 1:33Speaker 2: government from imposing extortionate or unreasonable conditions on the availability
- 1:39Speaker 2: of government benefits. And I think having to pay one
- 1:42Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars per month to quickly access the president's
- 1:46Speaker 2: official statements certainly qualifies as that.
- 1:49Speaker 1: Choyce. I believe that you and I were on maybe
- 1:51Speaker 1: a week or two ago when this news came out,
- 1:53Speaker 1: and I said to you, how is this legal? And
- 1:55Speaker 1: I'm not sure that it is. Of the arguments that
- 1:58Speaker 1: are being made in this suit, which do you think
- 2:00Speaker 1: is most likely to persuade a judge.
- 2:05Speaker 3: Well, all of them, for exactly the reasons you know
- 2:08Speaker 3: that we just pointed out. In any other universe, this
- 2:11Speaker 3: whole scenario would be laughable. The idea that a president
- 2:15Speaker 3: would sell access to market moving information, which is how
- 2:18Speaker 3: they advertise this. There's reporting that they've already got ten subscribers,
- 2:23Speaker 3: so they're making about a million dollars a month off
- 2:26Speaker 3: of this already. It's insane, and so crewe when they
- 2:30Speaker 3: call it profoundly corrupt in their complaint, they hit the
- 2:33Speaker 3: nail on the head. There are legitimate First and Fifth
- 2:36Speaker 3: Amendment claims here, both free speech free access claims, as
- 2:40Speaker 3: well as the equal protection claims. I would expect to
- 2:43Speaker 3: see a judge rule that this is unconstitutional for all
- 2:46Speaker 3: of the above reasons.
- 2:48Speaker 1: So, Amanda, a question that I have occasion to ask
- 2:51Speaker 1: you more often than I would like. Where's the outrage,
- 2:55Speaker 1: particularly on the part of Republicans of corruption that is
- 2:59Speaker 1: just happening out in the open.
- 3:02Speaker 4: Well, you don't see it from his MAGA defenders in Congress, unfortunately,
- 3:05Speaker 4: But I do think this is one of those stories
- 3:07Speaker 4: where people saw it they instinctively knew there's something wrong
- 3:10Speaker 4: with that. I think the suit is definitely strong and
- 3:14Speaker 4: First Amendment in Fifth Amendment grounds. But on the conflict
- 3:16Speaker 4: of interest angle, the idea that a president is making
- 3:21Speaker 4: a commercially viable product off his public speech that is
- 3:25Speaker 4: supposed to be in the public interest. He created his
- 3:29Speaker 4: own network. He is not using official government channels which
- 3:32Speaker 4: everybody has equal access to. He created a private social
- 3:36Speaker 4: media channel that he is selling access to off his
- 3:40Speaker 4: public speech. I mean, people know there's something wrong with that.
- 3:44Speaker 4: You shouldn't be able to monetize the presidency in this
- 3:48Speaker 4: kind of fashion. He is making the policy and also
- 3:51Speaker 4: profiting off the policy, and this is just such a
- 3:54Speaker 4: brazen instance of it. I think you can see in
- 3:56Speaker 4: other arenas, but especially when it comes to this he's
- 4:00Speaker 4: making policy statements and then making money personally off those statements.
- 4:05Speaker 4: It's particularly outrageous.
- 4:07Speaker 1: Well, and especially because there sort of can be a
- 4:09Speaker 1: relationship that moves both ways, right where there is an
- 4:13Speaker 1: incentive on his part to begin to calculate some of
- 4:16Speaker 1: his policies based on the way in which they move
- 4:19Speaker 1: the market. Storms, can you give us a sense of
- 4:21Speaker 1: timeline here what happens next with the suit?
- 4:26Speaker 2: Well, the next thing that happens is that the president
- 4:31Speaker 2: and the other defendants in the case have to respond. Certainly,
- 4:36Speaker 2: we would look we look forward to this case moving
- 4:39Speaker 2: forward as quickly as possible. But I think you know,
- 4:43Speaker 2: as the other panelists said, this is not complex and
- 4:49Speaker 2: you don't need to be an ethics expert or a
- 4:52Speaker 2: legal expert to understand the issues here. The problem with
- 4:56Speaker 2: the president selling access to his public statements, which are
- 5:01Speaker 2: in fact government records, and so we are hopeful that
- 5:07Speaker 2: the court will move quickly, and certainly we're going to
- 5:10Speaker 2: use all of the legal tools at our disposal to
- 5:14Speaker 2: move this case along as quickly as we can so
- 5:16Speaker 2: that we can get resolution on behalf of our clients
- 5:19Speaker 2: and so that this corrupt scheme that the president has
- 5:22Speaker 2: orchestrated with his private business is unwound.
- 5:26Speaker 1: One of the things I have trouble wrapping my mind around, Joyce,
- 5:30Speaker 1: given that this is not my area of expertise, is
- 5:33Speaker 1: that we are talking about milliseconds, and that milliseconds in
- 5:37Speaker 1: this case can amount to two millions. Can you give
- 5:41Speaker 1: us just a sense of the size and scale of
- 5:44Speaker 1: the corruption, even if it is only ten who are
- 5:48Speaker 1: currently subscribed to the service.
- 5:51Speaker 3: You know, the number of subscribers may seem small, but
- 5:55Speaker 3: it's absolutely immense when you think about the kind of
- 5:58Speaker 3: information this present traffics in on social media. There's no
- 6:03Speaker 3: way of knowing how he might evolve into this new
- 6:06Speaker 3: profit model and continue to monetize the presidency. But there
- 6:10Speaker 3: are all sorts of decisions. Perhaps some of that impact
- 6:14Speaker 3: the prediction markets that have cropped up around political decisions,
- 6:18Speaker 3: but perhaps, and I think more on the darker side
- 6:22Speaker 3: of the equation, decisions about military movement, decisions about policy changes,
- 6:27Speaker 3: decisions about what companies might be getting contracts in what
- 6:31Speaker 3: area of government. The real problem here is it's absolutely
- 6:35Speaker 3: unbounded in scope in terms of what the president might
- 6:38Speaker 3: choose to reveal and who might then have forepay access
- 6:43Speaker 3: to it.