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3 Big licensing wins for pilots - The Flyer Show 30 October 2025 · Flyer Magazine

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SPEAKER_05: From Garmin in Aletha, Kansas.
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SPEAKER_05: Welcome to the Flyer Show.
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SPEAKER_04: Hey, and welcome to the Flyer Show.
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SPEAKER_04: In this week's show, we have got a new trainer that was once old.
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SPEAKER_04: We've got a young pilot who flies old stuff, who won an old race.
0:20
SPEAKER_04: And Dave's talking about a perv calculator or something like that.
0:24
SPEAKER_04: Plus, we got four.
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SPEAKER_04: Actually, we got three.
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SPEAKER_04: Three big wins from the CEA's licensing simplification.
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SPEAKER_04: And then in what caught your eye, you'll see stuff that caught our eye, funnily enough.
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SPEAKER_04: Importantly, Yorian Seeger.
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SPEAKER_04: I'm Ed Hicks, and that's Dave Calderwood.
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SPEAKER_04: I have to say it's one I've managed to learn over the years, but at first it was like, why doesn't this move?
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SPEAKER_04: You know, pressing harder on your iPad makes no difference whatsoever.
1:41
SPEAKER_04: Who knew?
1:42
SPEAKER_04: Who knew?
1:43
SPEAKER_03: Um Yeah, weather.
1:45
SPEAKER_03: It's a bit wet and horrible outside at the moment.
1:47
SPEAKER_03: Um so great, isn't it?
1:49
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
1:49
SPEAKER_03: I'm hoping that Simon's got some better weather for us.
1:52
SPEAKER_03: Come on, Storm.
1:53
SPEAKER_03: Dig deep.
1:54
SPEAKER_01: Evening all.
1:54
SPEAKER_01: Hope that you're well this evening and getting ready for quite a breezy weekend ahead.
2:00
SPEAKER_01: Uh again, I'm going to use the icon model which shows us um predicted effectively rainfall radar and isobars and cloud.
2:10
SPEAKER_01: Where you see the dark colours on these charts is where we've got uh little cloud, where you see the white colours is where we've got cloud.
2:16
SPEAKER_01: So it's a bit like looking at a satellite picture as well.
2:19
SPEAKER_01: So this is the forecast for tomorrow morning, Friday morning.
2:23
SPEAKER_01: Notice this area of rain down towards the southwest, some showers getting into western Scotland, a further clutch of showers into southern parts of England, dry through central and eastern areas of England, northern areas too, and across the north and the east of Scotland.
2:38
SPEAKER_01: However, those areas of showers sweeping their way northeastwards through the course of the morning and into the afternoon, and the southwestly winds picking up as well.
2:47
SPEAKER_01: So, all in all, not a great day.
2:49
SPEAKER_01: It's a local flying day, really, I think, across um many areas of England and Wales, and probably becoming wetter for southern parts of Scotland, eastern Scotland, and faring better across northwest Scotland.
3:01
SPEAKER_01: But generally, as you can see there, it's a right old mess.
3:04
SPEAKER_01: The winds coming in from the uh south and southwest, probably looking at 25 gusting 35 knots, particularly in the west and the south, and those winds picking up as we go through the course of the afternoon.
3:15
SPEAKER_01: Now onto Saturday, an area of rain across many central and eastern areas of England at first on Saturday morning affecting western Scotland as well.
3:23
SPEAKER_01: And you see, even by nine o'clock on Saturday morning, that rainy still across much of England and Wales.
3:29
SPEAKER_01: A further area of rain affecting western Scotland.
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SPEAKER_01: Eastern Scotland, maybe more showery.
3:34
SPEAKER_01: Ireland is looking better as well, but for many of us, not a great start to Saturday morning.
3:39
SPEAKER_01: However, that rain then clears into the North Sea.
3:43
SPEAKER_01: We find some showers following in behind.
3:46
SPEAKER_01: And actually, by the afternoon, it's a much, much better position.
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SPEAKER_01: Ridge of high pressure is building in.
3:52
SPEAKER_01: Look, you can see that end shape there in the ice bars.
3:54
SPEAKER_01: That's the ridge.
3:55
SPEAKER_01: That's what's killing off those showers.
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SPEAKER_01: So the afternoon on Saturday is looking much better.
4:00
SPEAKER_01: I think generally many areas go VFR.
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SPEAKER_01: Base is about 3,000 feet, tops at about 12 to 15,000 feet, although some hefty showers, northern Scotland, western Scotland, perhaps southern coasts of Wales and Western Ireland.
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SPEAKER_01: They're still remaining, and a few heavy ones as well going through the Channel, but lighter winds on Saturday afternoon, too.
4:22
SPEAKER_01: Now, overnight into Sunday, further area of rain is going to be moving its way eastwards.
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SPEAKER_01: And during Sunday morning, that clears away from eastern coasts.
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SPEAKER_01: We then get another area of rain that follows into the west of Scotland.
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SPEAKER_01: Elsewhere, though, generally drier, brighter as well, but even into the afternoon, heavy showers across many central and western parts of Scotland, windy there too, with more rain getting into the west of Ireland by sunset.
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SPEAKER_01: Just a few showers affecting the western coast of England and western parts of Wales.
4:53
SPEAKER_01: But other parts of England, as you can see here, generally are drier and still breezy, particularly southern areas of Scotland, but not a bad Sunday afternoon.
5:03
SPEAKER_01: Now, a lot of this is going to be timing critical.
5:05
SPEAKER_01: The jet extreme is close by.
5:07
SPEAKER_01: It's driving things through really very, very quickly.
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SPEAKER_01: So keep your eye on the forecast for any changes in these timings.
5:14
SPEAKER_01: But I do think there's some flying to be found.
5:16
SPEAKER_01: We just have to be clever on the time of day that um that we do go flying.
5:23
SPEAKER_01: Now, those of you that have already been to aviation weather school will have a nice little toolbox to be using now to make your own decisions as to when the times are going to be best to fly for you on Saturday and Sunday.
5:34
SPEAKER_01: If you've not been to Aviation Weather School part one, uh then now is your chance.
5:39
SPEAKER_01: I've got a single place left on my classroom-based course.
5:43
SPEAKER_01: It was full, but somebody's moved around.
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SPEAKER_01: So that place is available if you want it now.
5:48
SPEAKER_01: You can go to weatherschool.co.uk and book that place now.
5:52
SPEAKER_01: Um, I'll show you how to plan five days in advance and about weather windows.
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SPEAKER_01: I'll get you flying more, I'll get you flying more safely, and I'll boost your weather confidence.
6:00
SPEAKER_01: If you prefer, then you can come along to my online course, which has just been announced.
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SPEAKER_01: This is going to take place on the Tuesday evenings of the 2nd and the 9th of December between 6.30pm and 9pm.
6:13
SPEAKER_01: That's already getting booked up.
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SPEAKER_01: So if you want to come on that one as well, you can go and book at your place at Weather School now.
6:19
SPEAKER_01: Or you do go to weatherschool.co.uk and um click on the aviation link and it's all there.
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SPEAKER_01: That's all that you need to do.
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SPEAKER_01: You've got the live online course and you've got the live classroom basically also.
6:31
SPEAKER_01: So just click on click on the one that you want and uh yeah, you can go back to weather school.
6:38
SPEAKER_01: Okay, I will leave you with that for now.
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SPEAKER_01: Whatever you do, have a great, have a safe flying weekend.
6:41
SPEAKER_01: Sorry that you talk so long.
6:42
SPEAKER_01: Uh I'll catch you next week.
6:44
SPEAKER_01: Bye for now.
6:45
SPEAKER_04: Okay, must be time for some news.
6:46
SPEAKER_04: Who's up first?
6:47
SPEAKER_04: Is it me?
6:48
SPEAKER_04: Okay, hop along.
6:49
SPEAKER_04: It is me.
6:49
SPEAKER_04: Oh, this is this is the old trainer that's become new again.
6:53
SPEAKER_04: So this is news that Diamond have announced that the DA 20i, uh the katana, the thing we used to call the katana, um, is starting to be manufactured again in Europe at Wiener Neustadt.
7:05
SPEAKER_04: It was manufactured before.
7:06
SPEAKER_04: We flew it back in 2015.
7:08
SPEAKER_04: And back in the mid to late 90s, I even flew something called a speed katana, which, if I remember rightly, had a 914 turbocharged um Rotex in it.
7:17
SPEAKER_04: And some funky graphics downside to denote speed katana.
7:21
SPEAKER_04: Um but anyway, this one's back.
7:24
SPEAKER_04: It's uh so it's powered by the 100 horsepower 912 IS, which to my mind is the sweet spot of the Rotex engine range in that kind of power, in that kind of power area.
7:33
SPEAKER_04: Um it's got a Garmin uh G500 TXI screen.
7:38
SPEAKER_04: It's gonna be a really I think it's a really nice bit of kit.
7:40
SPEAKER_04: The katano is lovely.
7:41
SPEAKER_04: It's got it's one weakness, I would say, is it's not a short field airplane.
7:45
SPEAKER_04: No.
7:45
SPEAKER_04: Ask me how I know that.
7:48
SPEAKER_04: It's definitely not a short field airplane if you forget to put the carpeat back to cold.
7:53
SPEAKER_04: Ah, okay.
7:54
SPEAKER_04: But this one won't have a carpete, so you don't need to worry because it'll be fuel injected.
7:57
SPEAKER_04: However, spectacular little trainer airplane, I reckon.
8:00
SPEAKER_04: Really good.
8:01
SPEAKER_04: Um, really, really nice wing.
8:04
SPEAKER_04: All diamonds have got really nice wings, and this is this one's no exception.
8:07
SPEAKER_03: Yes, true.
8:08
SPEAKER_03: I have an exception with the DA20i.
8:10
SPEAKER_04: Do you?
8:11
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
8:11
SPEAKER_03: It sounds like an 80s saloon car.
8:14
SPEAKER_03: It's like I drive a DA20i.
8:17
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
8:17
SPEAKER_04: Tribo.
8:19
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but no, actually, I think I think it's gonna be a cracker.
8:22
SPEAKER_04: I think it's gonna be it's really good if if yeah.
8:26
SPEAKER_04: That would be I think it's I think it's great news.
8:28
SPEAKER_03: Well done, Diamond.
8:29
SPEAKER_03: I wonder why all of a sudden uh has someone walked into Diamond, looked into a corner of a hanger and gone, what are we doing with that?
8:36
SPEAKER_04: I think there's I mean the flight training industry worldwide is really busy at the moment.
8:40
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, there are a whole load of changes, the mosaic plus the simplification stuff over here, where it means that you can use some other basic trainer kind of things.
8:47
SPEAKER_04: Everyone's looking to reduce costs because learning to fly, particularly 9 professionally, yeah, is fearsomely expensive.
8:53
SPEAKER_04: Uh, and so this is a a good entry-level trainer.
8:56
SPEAKER_04: And I mean, we've been I've been saying it, and I'm sure you've been saying it, and I'm sure you've been saying it ever since like 1994 when we first started.
9:04
SPEAKER_04: The old fleet's getting old, it's gonna need replacing soon.
9:07
SPEAKER_04: Clearly, it just goes on and on and on and on.
9:10
SPEAKER_04: Um there's never really you know, you know, in the old days when people used to run magazines, it's just the new Sassna 152.
9:16
SPEAKER_04: No.
9:17
SPEAKER_04: That's a front cover that must have been done about a hundred times in the history of aviation publishing.
9:21
SPEAKER_04: Um I wouldn't use it again ever.
9:24
SPEAKER_04: But the DA20i, yeah, I reckon is pretty damn close.
9:28
SPEAKER_04: Do we know how much it's gonna be?
9:29
SPEAKER_04: No.
9:30
SPEAKER_04: It's a diamond product.
9:31
SPEAKER_04: We never know how much it's a good idea.
9:32
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, diamond.
9:34
SPEAKER_04: Diamond are one of those manufacturers that are going, How much is it?
9:38
SPEAKER_04: Would you like another kaiserkrenner?
9:41
SPEAKER_04: Which kaisercrenner is like sausage with cheese in that's barbecued from Austria.
9:45
SPEAKER_04: Very strange.
9:46
SPEAKER_05: There's also the fact that Diamond uh pride themselves are offering a complete training solution.
9:51
SPEAKER_05: And of course, at the moment they haven't they haven't been offering a two-seater in Europe.
9:55
SPEAKER_04: True.
9:56
SPEAKER_04: No, and I guess they they was I mean, their their basic single engine trainer have really been the DA40.
10:00
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
10:00
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
10:01
SPEAKER_04: And the DA40 NG with the diesel, with their diesel engine.
10:04
SPEAKER_04: But this is a this is a much lower cost, I'm sure, lighter.
10:08
SPEAKER_04: And it's a nice airplane.
10:09
SPEAKER_04: It is a nice airplane to fly.
10:10
SPEAKER_03: I guess it but they're going uh they're probably looking at TechNam going, we're gonna have some of that, aren't we?
10:15
SPEAKER_04: I was gonna say Tech TechNam, I mean there was an announcement by TechNam actually this week about we welcome them, I say we're gonna lead this sector of the whole industry, because they're they're pretty strong in that area.
10:24
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
10:24
SPEAKER_04: Their their background is obviously a lot strong ultralight, micro light background in TechNam.
10:29
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
10:29
SPEAKER_04: Um so yeah, absolutely.
10:32
SPEAKER_04: Um and neither you know Piper and Cessna.
10:34
SPEAKER_04: They're they're they're base level products.
10:36
SPEAKER_04: Uh three-seater in the case of Piper with the cadet.
10:39
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
10:39
SPEAKER_03: Um but otherwise four seaters.
10:41
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
10:42
SPEAKER_03: Makes you wonder.
10:43
SPEAKER_03: It does make you wonder whether Piper well, I can't imagine Cessna are doing it, but Piper, I I wonder whether Piper are going.
10:49
SPEAKER_03: I wonder whether we can make something with a Rotex.
10:52
SPEAKER_05: I do know, I think Piper and Cessna have got such a good strong home market amongst the uh US flight training schools and the US universities also do a lot of flight training.
11:01
SPEAKER_05: Yet they don't necessarily need to train, to try too hard outside of the US.
11:06
SPEAKER_04: I guess so.
11:06
SPEAKER_05: You know?
11:07
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, I think I I I'd be surprised if Piper or Cessna came out with a two-seat aircraft.
11:12
SPEAKER_04: What was that?
11:12
SPEAKER_04: The Skycatcher was Cessna's last stab at that moment.
11:17
SPEAKER_03: The Skycatcher, yeah.
11:18
SPEAKER_03: It's like we have this perfect product for the LSA market.
11:21
SPEAKER_03: And for a short time they did, didn't they?
11:23
SPEAKER_03: Because they had hundreds of orders.
11:25
SPEAKER_03: And um they had a whole load of orders.
11:27
SPEAKER_04: They stuck a continental in it because of like good old boys.
11:30
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, because it was going to be rotates.
11:31
SPEAKER_04: It was going to be rotates, which would have been a result.
11:33
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
11:34
SPEAKER_04: But they stuck the continental in.
11:35
SPEAKER_04: Nothing wrong with the continental, but it's heavy.
11:37
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
11:38
SPEAKER_04: And so the the Skycatcher was had quite limited load.
11:41
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
11:41
SPEAKER_04: Um, and it had that kind of weird yoke as a stick.
11:45
SPEAKER_04: Psych yoke.
11:46
SPEAKER_04: A bit like soap on a rope kind of thing.
11:49
SPEAKER_04: But yeah, no, I don't I can't see Piper or or I'd I'd I'd eat my plug if any if either of them do that.
11:55
SPEAKER_04: You heard it here first.
11:56
SPEAKER_03: Anyway, what else is what else is there in the news?
11:58
SPEAKER_03: Well, do you want some air racing news?
12:00
SPEAKER_03: Some UK air racing news to be precise.
12:02
SPEAKER_03: Uh well that in that case, the final race of the UK uh UK uh triple RA season took place at Wellsbourne uh in early October.
12:12
SPEAKER_03: That was for the running of the Stewards Cup and for the King's Cup.
12:15
SPEAKER_03: And squadron leader Ben Polwin and his his wife Sophie um won that race uh flying their R V7 that they built at home.
12:24
SPEAKER_03: Um and um apparently the championship went right down to the very last second of the final race.
12:29
SPEAKER_03: So exciting stuff.
12:30
SPEAKER_03: And this is handicap air racing.
12:32
SPEAKER_03: So you can take part in this.
12:34
SPEAKER_03: You can be in a slow aeroplane, and you've got as much chance as Ben in his Rv7.
12:39
SPEAKER_03: Allegedly.
12:40
SPEAKER_03: Allegedly, if they've got 200, 100, not 100, nothing.
12:44
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
12:44
SPEAKER_03: So the slowest airplane in the season, the slowest airplane has been the good old Luscom.
12:52
SPEAKER_03: Um and I think Ben's R V7 was the fastest aeroplane, uh, and that meant uh in terms of starting order, uh, I think it was 27 minutes.
13:01
SPEAKER_03: Um so the Luscomb goes, 20 and then you sit there for 27 minutes twiddling your thumbs and the Luscomb's cleared the air of the runway or then exactly.
13:09
SPEAKER_03: Exactly, yeah.
13:10
SPEAKER_03: Um and then if all the the handicapping's been done correctly, then you all arrive at the the finish line at the same time.
13:17
SPEAKER_03: Um Ben and Sophie, they're retiring from racing on a high this season because they've done the triple crown.
13:23
SPEAKER_03: Uh last year they won the Schneider Trophy.
13:26
SPEAKER_03: This year they've got the King's Cup and the Stewards Cup.
13:29
SPEAKER_03: Uh, and that's a good good time to go out.
13:31
SPEAKER_03: And plus, Ben is um he's just about to become um the new operations officer for the Battle of Britain Memorial flight.
13:38
SPEAKER_03: Uh and uh yeah, if you want to know more about um the three R there's what they call the three R's air racing, um go and check out their website.
13:46
SPEAKER_03: I can't we'll find it and stick it in the video description.
13:49
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
13:49
SPEAKER_03: Um, but worth it, because air racing, it's another exciting thing to do with your airplane.
13:54
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
13:55
SPEAKER_05: So we should really have Annabelle here to do this item.
13:57
SPEAKER_05: So about Gasco, the General Aviation Safety Council, they've introduced a new PERF.
14:03
SPEAKER_05: Performance.
14:04
SPEAKER_05: Performance.
14:05
SPEAKER_05: Not PERV.
14:05
SPEAKER_05: P-E-O-S.
14:07
SPEAKER_05: Performance calculator.
14:08
SPEAKER_05: Um it's free, it's available online.
14:11
SPEAKER_05: Um, it's created by a chap called John Cook, who's kind of like the licensing guru.
14:15
SPEAKER_05: Um, and John said uh you pop in the figures from your pilot operating's handbook, this is online, and you you put in whatever correction factor is out of the CEA's safety sense leaflets.
14:28
SPEAKER_05: So um, and then it gives you what the adap the corrected figure is.
14:33
SPEAKER_05: So, as an example, if your normal takeoff role is, say, 250 metres on a dry, hard, paved runway, uh, but you're actually you're going to be taking off from wet grass, you know, typical as it is here today, yeah, um, then that 250 metres will become 432 metres.
14:50
SPEAKER_05: And you can do the same for um different types of surfaces, different conditions, and also for the landing role as well.
14:58
SPEAKER_05: So it's it's a really straightforward thing.
15:00
SPEAKER_05: Uh it's a cal yeah, it's a performance calculator.
15:03
SPEAKER_05: Uh yeah, no, I think so.
15:05
SPEAKER_04: I was gonna say my my I I don't have any data to back this up, but my guess is that there are over the years I've noticed more landing accidents where aircraft have kind of ended up going through the hedge a little bit too fast at the end because it didn't quite than takeoff accidents.
15:20
SPEAKER_03: There have been a few spectacular take-off accidents.
15:22
SPEAKER_03: Well I think I guess takeoff accident when you take off, it's fairly easy to make sure you've taxied to the threshold.
15:31
SPEAKER_03: Landing though, unless you've got nailed your kind of landing, you know, your technique, it is very easy to not touch down where you want it to touch down.
15:40
SPEAKER_03: And all of a sudden there's some runway behind you, isn't it?
15:42
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
15:43
SPEAKER_04: Occasionally you see airplane, the camera go, it looks quite fast.
15:45
SPEAKER_04: And you go, runway is not going to use, runway's not gonna use, runway's not gonna use, runway.
15:50
SPEAKER_03: Oh you get that pilot feeling it.
15:52
SPEAKER_03: There's like, I'm just reaching for it, but I can't get that.
15:56
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, absolutely.
15:57
SPEAKER_04: So not a huge amount of news this time of year.
16:00
SPEAKER_05: Um there's a few things like because there's some bursaries available from the Royal Aero Club Trust, uh, which are quite good, most aimed at young young people.
16:08
SPEAKER_05: Encourage them to do a bit types of flying.
16:12
SPEAKER_03: And actually, thinking of that, um I know that the uh Light Aircraft Association, their Armstrong Isaacs uh flying bursaries, they're going to be going live very shortly too.
16:22
SPEAKER_03: Right.
16:22
SPEAKER_03: So for next year.
16:24
SPEAKER_05: There's a whole bunch of uh scholarships and bursaries coming up over the winter.
16:27
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
16:28
SPEAKER_05: So Air League and people like that.
16:29
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
16:30
SPEAKER_05: Good.
16:30
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
16:31
SPEAKER_05: Excellent.
16:31
SPEAKER_05: Right, what's next then?
16:33
SPEAKER_05: It's the main feature.
16:34
SPEAKER_04: The main feature.
16:34
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
16:37
SPEAKER_04: So the main feature is about all the rule changes that happened on October the 1st.
16:41
SPEAKER_04: The CEA, if you remember, I can't remember when they first did it, maybe a couple of years ago now, started consulting.
16:46
SPEAKER_04: And so they went, Do you think licensing's too complicated?
16:49
SPEAKER_04: Duh.
16:49
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, of course.
16:50
SPEAKER_04: Nobody understands it.
16:51
SPEAKER_04: And still nobody fully understands it.
16:53
SPEAKER_04: So they came out with the simplification project, which is in a couple of tranches.
16:56
SPEAKER_04: We've had tranche one, and the rules became implemented on October the 1st.
17:00
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
17:00
SPEAKER_04: So this is about the three big wins.
17:03
SPEAKER_04: There's actually a bonus fourth.
17:04
SPEAKER_04: So, well, I think it's bonus fourth.
17:06
SPEAKER_04: So have a look.
17:07
SPEAKER_04: Keep watching for that.
17:08
SPEAKER_04: But this is about the three big wins that we think that you can spot from the CA simplification uh process, tranche number one.
17:17
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
17:18
SPEAKER_03: And that's me.
17:19
SPEAKER_03: And if you watched, yeah, and you may cast your mind back to when the previous CEO of the British Microlight Association was with us, Rob Hughes.
17:30
SPEAKER_03: And he was talking very excitedly about the fact that the licensing changes were coming.
17:35
SPEAKER_03: Uh, and this was for good reason, because there was going to be a really big win for microlighting.
17:41
SPEAKER_03: Uh, and this is uh the basically that uh there's gonna be flexible crediting of dual training hours towards gaining a PPL.
17:49
SPEAKER_03: And the big winner here is that actually you'll be your you'll be able to use flight time accumulated in three-axis microlytes towards your PPL.
17:57
SPEAKER_03: Um so, without question, big win for microlites.
18:00
SPEAKER_03: Train on a three-axis microlight.
18:02
SPEAKER_03: And thanks to the changes in the 600 kg category as well, there's a whole host of exciting new trainers that customers and flight schools must be excited about being able to use.
18:14
SPEAKER_03: Um your dual three-axis microlight experience will count towards your IKO PPL.
18:20
SPEAKER_03: Uh, and that's big news for any young, uh, young person looking to ultimately become a commercial pilot.
18:25
SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
18:26
SPEAKER_03: Um because that means you can start.
18:28
SPEAKER_03: I I I think it's fair to say, I don't think any of us probably ever imagined that that you could start a commercial pilot training journey and start it at MicroLite.
18:40
SPEAKER_04: No.
18:40
SPEAKER_03: So but that is that is a as for the most affordable form of flying, that has got to be a massive deal.
18:46
SPEAKER_04: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
18:46
SPEAKER_04: I think it's a great opportunity.
18:48
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I think it's important to say that the big wins are wins for people.
18:52
SPEAKER_04: The wins are more there for people coming in than for people who have kind of like done tons and tons of training already.
18:58
SPEAKER_04: Ah, however.
18:59
SPEAKER_04: No, there are no absolutely we'll come back to that, I'm sure.
19:02
SPEAKER_04: But there are some really significant wins in there.
19:04
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, good news.
19:06
SPEAKER_03: Uh the other thing I noticed is uh microlyte ground exams um are also now recognized.
19:11
SPEAKER_03: That's my bit.
19:12
SPEAKER_03: Ah, okay.
19:12
SPEAKER_03: Well, you can you can have that.
19:14
SPEAKER_03: I'll have that big win.
19:15
SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
19:16
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
19:17
SPEAKER_04: Wait for that.
19:18
SPEAKER_05: Well, one of the big wins that applies to uh you know existing pilots, and I think this is a really big one, is that you can renew your SEP rating, your single engine piston rating, uh on a three-axis microlight.
19:30
SPEAKER_05: Yep.
19:30
SPEAKER_05: So um if you want to fly SP Cesar 172, but you you're faced with say, you have you've had a break from flying, and you've what you've recognized you're probably going to need some training uh with an instructor before you can even do the uh licensed proficiency check flight, um, you can now do that on a three-axis microlight.
19:50
SPEAKER_05: Now, there's obviously the big thing here is cost.
19:53
SPEAKER_05: You know, a three-axis micro light typically is costing between 160 and 180 quid per hour, including instructor, and and that usually includes landings as well.
20:03
SPEAKER_05: Whereas if you're looking at something like a PA-28 or SESTA 172 operating with a bigger flight school, that's between 260 and 300 quid an hour.
20:12
SPEAKER_05: And often, because if you're at a bigger airfield, the landings are on top.
20:16
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
20:16
SPEAKER_05: So yeah, it works out quite a lot, quite a lot more expensive to go to one of those flight schools.
20:21
SPEAKER_05: It may be your choice, but that's that's that's it.
20:25
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, the other things about that's in the same subject, airfield, you're much more likely to be operating from a grass strip uh on a micro light school, uh, and there's all sorts of easy cost savings there.
20:37
SPEAKER_05: But also, I think when you're returning to flying, you haven't flown for a while, you really just want to get out there flying.
20:43
SPEAKER_05: You don't want to have to worry too much about procedures and use of radio.
20:47
SPEAKER_05: That can come later, but first of all, you just want to go flying.
20:50
SPEAKER_05: And if you're flying from a grass airfield, it's all a lot easier.
20:53
SPEAKER_05: Um, the third thing point I like to make in the same bit is aircraft choice.
20:58
SPEAKER_05: You know, if you go to a typical flight school, uh I mean, I'm not knocking fly schools there.
21:04
SPEAKER_05: They're using the aircraft they know and love, but you're probably going to be in a 40 to 50-year-old PA-28 or an ancient Central 172 or possibly a 152.
21:14
SPEAKER_05: Whereas you go to a micro light school, you're probably looking at a five to ten-year-old Icarus C42 or a Eurostar, or any of the brand new ones that are coming to you.
21:24
SPEAKER_05: And which which would you rather have?
21:26
SPEAKER_05: Some some old 50-year-old aircraft or something that's more or less new.
21:31
SPEAKER_04: So my top tip relating to the stuff that you've spoken about and a little bit that you spoke about as well, is obviously if you've got a Nike A PPL, which many, many of us have, you need to do that instructor hour.
21:42
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
21:43
SPEAKER_04: And that instructor hour, as we've already established, can be on a three axis micro layer.
21:46
SPEAKER_04: No problem there.
21:47
SPEAKER_04: What I'm gonna suggest is that 'cause every time I do my instructor hour, I try and try and do something from time to time I try and do something a little bit different.
21:54
SPEAKER_04: I've done an instructor hour in a in a tiger moth, for example.
21:58
SPEAKER_04: Because it why not?
22:00
SPEAKER_04: Um you can go and do your microlight differences training.
22:03
SPEAKER_04: It might not take you that long.
22:04
SPEAKER_04: You can claim that time uh for your instructor hour and probably a bit more because probably won't get it done in an hour.
22:10
SPEAKER_04: But that's the you've then got microlight differences training signed off.
22:13
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
22:14
SPEAKER_04: You're and you're good to go.
22:15
SPEAKER_04: So i it opens that kind of spectrum to other stuff.
22:19
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
22:19
SPEAKER_04: I do like the idea of making revalidation simpler though.
22:22
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
22:23
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
22:23
SPEAKER_04: So I mean there's so it it takes a ton of effort to get a license, as we all know.
22:28
SPEAKER_04: And then it it's quite easy for it to lapse and go away.
22:30
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
22:31
SPEAKER_04: And you really want to make it as easy as possible and as pleasurable as possible for people to get back in.
22:35
SPEAKER_04: Nobody, you know, if you if you've if you've been a if you've been a top racing cyclist or something, and then you, you know, for whatever reason you haven't done it for years, no one wants to go back and go, oh now I'm gonna be rubbish again.
22:46
SPEAKER_04: And it's that feeling, you know, I I used to be I used to be on my flying.
22:49
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
22:50
SPEAKER_04: I don't want to go, you know, inevitably you do have to go back, but you want to make that as pleasurable and as easy and as barrier-free as possible.
22:56
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
22:57
SPEAKER_04: So my big win, yeah, if if you're ready for it, is the fact as an initially it doesn't necessarily sound like a big win because the Laple, like Eclop Pilot's license, is is no more.
23:06
SPEAKER_04: It's gone.
23:06
SPEAKER_04: That's it.
23:07
SPEAKER_04: History.
23:07
SPEAKER_04: There is only one sub-IKO license in the UK now, the MPPL.
23:13
SPEAKER_04: Right.
23:13
SPEAKER_04: Uh and the MPPL comes in three different flavors.
23:16
SPEAKER_04: It comes in uh what they now call the touring motorglider flavor, the microlight flavour, and the SEP flavour.
23:22
SPEAKER_04: And it used to be the SSE.
23:24
SPEAKER_04: Was it simple simple, yeah, a simple single engine aircraft?
23:28
SPEAKER_04: It was always a bit, I always found that a bit difficult.
23:30
SPEAKER_04: But that's forget that.
23:31
SPEAKER_04: That's gone.
23:32
SPEAKER_04: It's SEP now.
23:33
SPEAKER_04: Um, and so that that's that is the beginning of your national route.
23:38
SPEAKER_04: Now, the good thing is, if you're flying, if you learn to fly microflights, there you go, you got your MPP or microlight, you think, I quite fancy a bit of an SCP.
23:46
SPEAKER_04: In instead of having a general flight test and all the rest of it, now you just have to do differences training.
23:52
SPEAKER_04: And the differences training is assessed by the trainers.
23:54
SPEAKER_04: You still have to make the application to get it put on your license.
23:57
SPEAKER_04: It's not like a logbook sign-off.
23:58
SPEAKER_04: And the same goes for TMG and all the rest of it.
24:01
SPEAKER_04: Plus, your revalidation, instead of having to revalidate in all three categories, you revalidate in one of those categories, and that now covers all of the categories.
24:08
SPEAKER_04: So it's super it is genuinely simplified and genuinely uh easier than it than it was before and more accessible than it was before.
24:17
SPEAKER_05: Why does a touring motor glider have to have a separate uh rating?
24:20
SPEAKER_04: They always have done because they're like uh there was they're they're different, a little bit different.
24:25
SPEAKER_05: Is that because you switch the engine off at some point?
24:27
SPEAKER_04: That's potentially because you switch the engine off.
24:29
SPEAKER_04: A lot of touring motor gliders have uh so if you take the uh the the grob and stuff like that, they have air brakes.
24:36
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, if you haven't flown air brakes before, that's something quite a bit different.
24:39
SPEAKER_04: That's not they're not just flaps that pop out the top of the wing, kind of thing.
24:43
SPEAKER_04: And so I you know, probably I would suggest that you'll you'll first move from uh from an SCP, Cessna 172, to a Touri motorglider, probably best doing a little bit more than reading the POH.
24:54
SPEAKER_04: I'll just pop these out and see what I can do.
24:56
SPEAKER_04: Because uh because they they are quite different.
24:58
SPEAKER_04: And then you know, there are there are other differences as well.
25:00
SPEAKER_04: That now covers uh SLMG self-launching buttons gliders and stuff as well.
25:04
SPEAKER_05: Right.
25:04
SPEAKER_04: Um so that's that's all pretty damn good, I would say.
25:08
SPEAKER_05: What's the bonus item then?
25:09
SPEAKER_04: Oh the bonus item is that you know the CA will deny this.
25:13
SPEAKER_04: I'm sorry, CA, but you you you'll say, no, we've always supported GPS and stuff like that.
25:19
SPEAKER_04: And and you have of late, but it's not true that you've always done it.
25:22
SPEAKER_04: There was a time when it was the work of the devil.
25:23
SPEAKER_04: There was a time when when you loved Halloween because you could all prance around aviation house going like look at my GPS and stuff like that.
25:32
SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
25:35
SPEAKER_03: I worry that this is this is it's not worn off from the operation.
25:40
SPEAKER_04: But but I should say that um so now there's a couple of changes to the syllabus that have that have really signal what I consider progressive and good improvement improvement, say it, right?
25:53
SPEAKER_04: Um so that you've got the partial power training, and partial power's been a few accidents where you go, partial power because not everyone has an explosive engine failure.
26:01
SPEAKER_04: Oh, I've got no engine left and it's all departed out the side.
26:03
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
26:04
SPEAKER_04: And that's where it's tempting to go, oh, I'll probably still be okay.
26:07
SPEAKER_04: It still runs.
26:08
SPEAKER_04: Shall I try and get back back to it?
26:10
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and so that's a different thing.
26:12
SPEAKER_04: And then the other thing is finally, finally, there's training.
26:15
SPEAKER_04: I think what do they call them?
26:16
SPEAKER_04: VFR navigation aids or moving map VFR, moving map VFR tablets or something.
26:21
SPEAKER_04: And I know that the CEA still go, you should only use official sources for this data, which I think is rubbish.
26:29
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
26:29
SPEAKER_04: Um, but anyway, that's a different argument.
26:31
SPEAKER_04: But there is now training on it, which is really good.
26:33
SPEAKER_04: Because otherwise, it's just kind of train yourself.
26:35
SPEAKER_04: And there are, you know, there's some brilliant apps out there, there's some less brilliant apps out there, they've all got their I don't want to say foibles, I don't want to say pure peculiarities, but they all have different philosophies about the way they do things.
26:47
SPEAKER_04: And you need to get the most out of them, you need to understand it.
26:49
SPEAKER_04: So now, finally, that's going to be included in the training and the testing.
26:54
SPEAKER_04: So if you need something to be trained, you need to include it in the testing.
26:57
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and I think you know, airspace is a lot more complex and challenging today.
27:03
SPEAKER_03: So if you I everyone should be committed to reducing infringements.
27:07
SPEAKER_03: So surely that starts with training and going, hey, let's roll this, roll the use of this technology into your absolute basic PPL training.
27:16
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
27:16
SPEAKER_04: So I I what I would say is if you want any more details on any of this stuff, the BMAA have a really good uh couple of pages on their website that do it.
27:24
SPEAKER_04: The CEA have done some some good videos, really good videos, which are good.
27:28
SPEAKER_04: There's there's there's some more documentation to come from the CA, which is a little bit of devil in the detail type stuff.
27:33
SPEAKER_04: Well, hopefully it won't be devil, angels in the detail, should we say?
27:36
SPEAKER_04: And then of course at the moment we're they're all they're working slowly on tranche two, uh which which will bring even more things, hopefully, next year.
27:44
SPEAKER_04: Generally, I'd say pretty good news.
27:46
SPEAKER_04: I mean it's not as simple as it could be, no.
27:49
SPEAKER_04: But it's it's a big step.
27:51
SPEAKER_03: Do you think this merits the um this is why the CA is brilliant?
27:57
SPEAKER_04: This is why the CA is trying really hard and have achieved some good things, and that occasionally they have a little accident.
28:06
SPEAKER_04: But overall, yeah.
28:08
SPEAKER_05: Overall, I'd give them as that's little accidents as in two-year-old type accidents.
28:12
SPEAKER_04: Yes, that kind of accident, yeah.
28:15
SPEAKER_04: We've all been there.
28:20
SPEAKER_05: So, club news.
28:22
SPEAKER_03: Club news.
28:22
SPEAKER_03: Club news, yes.
28:24
SPEAKER_05: Have we got the free landings for November yet?
28:26
SPEAKER_03: Um I think there are three available, and that's Wolverhampton, Happening Green.
28:31
SPEAKER_03: Um, do you know what the fourth one is?
28:33
SPEAKER_03: Tell me the other two.
28:34
SPEAKER_03: Um Eshot and Dunk as well.
28:37
SPEAKER_03: And Easter.
28:38
SPEAKER_03: And Easter, of course.
28:39
SPEAKER_03: Right.
28:40
SPEAKER_03: There we go.
28:40
SPEAKER_03: Easter.
28:41
SPEAKER_04: I I'm sorry, David, I haven't made it to Easter, and I'm not going to make it this year, at least not by airplane.
28:46
SPEAKER_04: But that is a pr that's a massive geographical challenge.
28:48
SPEAKER_04: And it's it's like if you look at it on the map.
28:50
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
28:51
SPEAKER_04: Henry, cue the map now.
28:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
28:52
SPEAKER_04: There you go.
28:53
SPEAKER_04: This map, look at that.
28:54
SPEAKER_03: Perfect.
28:55
SPEAKER_03: What more could you want?
28:56
SPEAKER_03: Uh yeah, and we put the challenge out.
28:58
SPEAKER_03: Um, can you do all the uh all the landing free landings in October?
29:02
SPEAKER_03: I don't think we've had someone claim, yeah.
29:05
SPEAKER_04: And it obviously this time you go.
29:07
SPEAKER_04: It's even more challenging.
29:08
SPEAKER_04: But if you do, let us know, buy you lunch at Wadswick.
29:10
SPEAKER_04: There we go.
29:11
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
29:13
SPEAKER_05: Um webinars.
29:15
SPEAKER_04: Webinars.
29:15
SPEAKER_04: It was a brilliant webinar last night.
29:17
SPEAKER_04: What was it again?
29:17
SPEAKER_05: Oh, um snappers, you know.
29:20
SPEAKER_05: Snapper.
29:20
SPEAKER_04: That was it.
29:21
SPEAKER_04: It was Ed did a fantastic webinar last night on air to air photography.
29:24
SPEAKER_04: So go look at that up if if you're a member.
29:26
SPEAKER_04: If you're not a member, sorry.
29:27
SPEAKER_04: Yep.
29:27
SPEAKER_04: Um, and there's a whole bunch of other stuff.
29:29
SPEAKER_04: You get access to all of the things that we we write, you get full access to the forums uh and everything else.
29:34
SPEAKER_04: So it costs you just six pounds a month.
29:36
SPEAKER_04: So come on.
29:40
SPEAKER_03: So big question of the week, and that is what caught your eye?
29:44
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
29:45
SPEAKER_03: And I think it might be me first.
29:46
SPEAKER_03: It is you first.
29:47
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
29:48
SPEAKER_03: And uh this is an aeroplane that popped up on Facebook uh as it's been rescued from corroding away outdoors, um, up in Canada, I think.
29:56
SPEAKER_03: And it's headed for a new life uh in the Mid-America Flight Museum in Texas.
30:01
SPEAKER_03: And when I say eye-catching, it is literally eye-catching as in it is all corners, as the Evangel uh 4500 was designed using only a ruler and a set square.
30:12
SPEAKER_03: Um all in the quest of being robust and utterly practical.
30:16
SPEAKER_03: Um one flight reviewer once described the aircraft as having the grace and lines of a toolbox.
30:23
SPEAKER_03: I think that's pretty accurate.
30:24
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I think if you look at it, um Henry, put it back on screen now, if you can.
30:29
SPEAKER_04: If you look at it, it's got Jodel wings, because they're kind of cranked.
30:31
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
30:32
SPEAKER_04: It's got a very Pilatus empennage, although there's quite a lot of it.
30:35
SPEAKER_04: I think Pilatus are the tail, the PC.
30:39
SPEAKER_04: I'm talking about PC six.
30:40
SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah, PC6 border.
30:41
SPEAKER_03: For a moment there, I thought it's like, hang on there, Pilatus, lawyers, don't write to Ian.
30:46
SPEAKER_03: Put your pens away, put your pens down.
30:48
SPEAKER_04: No, the Pilatus tail looks very much like a PC six tail.
30:51
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
30:51
SPEAKER_04: Well, there's quite a lot of dihedral on the on the temple plane.
30:54
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, terplane too.
30:55
SPEAKER_04: And then if you look at the fuselage and you squint your eyes a little bit, it's kind of square enough to be an islander straight to Islander right.
31:01
SPEAKER_03: Oh no, I think this the Evangel 4500 makes an island islander look like a Falco.
31:09
SPEAKER_03: Islander lawyers, lawyers.
31:10
SPEAKER_03: Get your pens out.
31:11
SPEAKER_04: I think I think you took the Evangel and just like rounded it a bit.
31:14
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
31:15
SPEAKER_03: So anyway, so uh this design was uh it was uh conceived in the mid-1960s by missionary Bush pilot Carl Mortensen.
31:22
SPEAKER_03: He wanted an aeroplane that could carry a ton of cargo while safely operating out of South American uh jungle airstrips.
31:29
SPEAKER_03: Um simple and overbuilt for sure.
31:32
SPEAKER_03: Uh boxy fuselage seats, eight people, uh, powers from two, three hundred horsepower like homing IO 540s.
31:39
SPEAKER_03: Uh useful load, 1,200 pounds.
31:41
SPEAKER_03: Apparently, if you juggle with fuel, 1,500 pounds is what you can load in it.
31:46
SPEAKER_03: Um I saw someone online recently recently describe the engine.
31:50
SPEAKER_03: I look at those engine cells.
31:52
SPEAKER_03: Someone said it's like someone just took a locker and basically stuck that on the wing and went down.
31:58
SPEAKER_04: That was one folding jig and it was 90 degrees.
32:00
SPEAKER_03: I mean, yeah, this aeroplane is is is um yeah, it's you you wouldn't use the word pretty, but it is functional.
32:08
SPEAKER_03: And and I it's it really tweaks my heartstrings just for being so utterly functional.
32:14
SPEAKER_03: Um, seven were built, most rotted away in South America, but one survived, uh, and that's the one that Mid-America Flight Museum has rescued.
32:22
SPEAKER_03: And they have form for taking stuff to Oshkosh.
32:25
SPEAKER_03: So I am really hoping that we see that next year.
32:28
SPEAKER_04: That would be very, very cool.
32:29
SPEAKER_03: Because it is, I I yeah, that would be.
32:31
SPEAKER_04: I know people will say, Ed, you've lost the plot, but I think this is No, I think it's the it's I mean it's ugly, clearly, but it's really it's really ugly.
32:39
SPEAKER_04: But it's kind of, you know, a bit special as well.
32:40
SPEAKER_04: So I've got a quiz, a quiz for you.
32:42
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
32:43
SPEAKER_04: Um can you name how many how many other aircraft can you name that have been what's the right word I'm thinking of, spawned for their missionary purpose?
32:54
SPEAKER_03: Ah, well, there was another um so event uh the Evangel Aircraft Corporation came up with another aeroplane after the 4500.
33:04
SPEAKER_03: Uh weirdly, had some roundness in it and was a pusher.
33:08
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
33:08
SPEAKER_03: Um I forget what was it?
33:09
SPEAKER_03: A little bit like a baron, the the AAC angel.
33:12
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
33:13
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so there was that.
33:15
SPEAKER_03: Um was the helio was no the heliocura wasn't specifically for that purpose, was it?
33:22
SPEAKER_04: Um it's a very modern one.
33:24
SPEAKER_03: What was that?
33:25
SPEAKER_04: The Questair Kodiak?
33:27
SPEAKER_04: Kodiak, yes.
33:27
SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah.
33:28
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
33:29
SPEAKER_04: Because I mean, I I don't know if it now they uh now they belong today.
33:32
SPEAKER_04: I don't know if it's true.
33:33
SPEAKER_04: But at one time when the Questair Kodiaks were being built, you can if you kind of poke your head around and look inside and look under some of the sort of the green painted interior panels, there's like various workers that have sharpied verses and stuff from the Bible in there.
33:49
SPEAKER_04: So that was designed specifically for that.
33:51
SPEAKER_04: That was driven, that was that's a kind of missionary company.
33:54
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
33:54
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
33:55
SPEAKER_04: Um and then one more.
33:56
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
33:57
SPEAKER_04: And this this this is a kit.
33:59
SPEAKER_04: I'll give it give you a clue.
34:01
SPEAKER_04: It looks a little bit, to my eyes, it looks a little bit like a champ.
34:04
SPEAKER_04: Seven AC champ.
34:06
SPEAKER_04: Oh, I I can't imagine.
34:09
SPEAKER_04: It's called a Chr Christ Christ Chris Davia?
34:14
SPEAKER_04: Christavian?
34:15
SPEAKER_04: Really?
34:16
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
34:16
SPEAKER_03: Really?
34:17
SPEAKER_03: That was so you're saying the Chris Davia.
34:20
SPEAKER_04: Yes, Christ in aviation is what it stands for.
34:23
SPEAKER_04: Right?
34:23
SPEAKER_04: And it was bit it was done by a Canadian guy originally.
34:26
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
34:26
SPEAKER_04: Um and it was it was supposed to be like a single-engine steel tube fuselage simple aircraft that you could build and and deliver the word of God to uh wherever you wanted.
34:34
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and um and he he obviously got bored.
34:41
SPEAKER_04: He he decided there were other things going on.
34:43
SPEAKER_04: So he saw I think now you can you can still buy the plans from Aircraft Spruce for that.
34:47
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I believe so.
34:48
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
34:49
SPEAKER_04: But uh Yeah.
34:50
SPEAKER_03: So Evangel 4,500 designed with set squares.
34:55
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, absolutely.
34:56
SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
34:57
SPEAKER_03: Uh Dave.
34:58
SPEAKER_05: Well, I've picked uh a Hurricane Melissa going through, so I've picked the Hurricane Hunters, and there's been some fantastic footage come back from them this week, uh, including this stuff shot, this little video we've uh got permission to use from the US Air Force Reserves, uh a section known as the Hurricane Hunters, and it they're flying a Lockheed Hercules C-130J.
35:20
SPEAKER_05: They went through turbulence so violent that it overstressed the airframe, and the crew had to abort the mission and return to base.
35:28
SPEAKER_05: That's not as easy as it sounds because they're flying in the eye of the hurricane.
35:32
SPEAKER_03: Right, because then once you've flown in it, you had to fly back out of it.
35:35
SPEAKER_05: Well, they had to circle for a while to look for a path that looked reasonably safe, you know, not lightning strikes and even worse turbulence.
35:41
SPEAKER_05: Anyway, anyway, due in the street.
35:43
SPEAKER_04: Again, do you want the last sandwich before we go?
35:46
SPEAKER_05: They were thrown hundreds of feet up and down in seconds, 700 feet of vertical motion in a single minute.
35:52
SPEAKER_05: Um that's that's well it I think it might be a single second, actually, rather than a minute.
35:58
SPEAKER_05: Um they went, they found a central pressure of 893 um millibars.
36:05
SPEAKER_03: Millibars.
36:06
SPEAKER_03: Millibars, that's it.
36:07
SPEAKER_03: No pressure.
36:08
SPEAKER_03: Hold on.
36:08
SPEAKER_03: These these are clearly not in the UK, otherwise we'd be talking hectopascals.
36:13
SPEAKER_05: Hecto bananas.
36:14
SPEAKER_05: And they found you know, surface winds of uh 252 miles an hour, apparently.
36:19
SPEAKER_05: Um so it's uh the the crew also reported that the wall, these pictures are incredible because you actually see the wall inside the room.
36:27
SPEAKER_03: It looks a bit like some kind of Hollywood disaster movie.
36:30
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's someone should probably use that.
36:32
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
36:33
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
36:34
SPEAKER_03: Get that footage.
36:35
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
36:35
SPEAKER_03: Wow.
36:36
SPEAKER_03: But yeah, so that has to be uh, and I don't know what the job requirements are for um hurricane hunter pilot, but clearly Lunatic.
36:43
SPEAKER_03: You can't find another job.
36:45
SPEAKER_04: I say that in the most respectful possible way.
36:48
SPEAKER_04: We should try and find one of those and get them on.
36:51
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
36:52
SPEAKER_04: Let's find ourselves a hurricane hunter pilot.
36:54
SPEAKER_04: Yes, are you a hurricane hunter?
36:56
SPEAKER_04: Call us.
36:57
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
36:58
SPEAKER_04: Ian.
36:59
SPEAKER_04: Um, so I I kind of I spotted the Evangel 12500.
37:04
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
37:04
SPEAKER_04: That sounds like another car, doesn't it?
37:07
SPEAKER_04: The MG Evangel 4500.
37:10
SPEAKER_04: Um, and I was kind of oh okay, I quite like, but I kind of got wind of the fact that it caught your eye already, so I thought I'd leave that one to you.
37:18
SPEAKER_04: Yep.
37:19
SPEAKER_04: And I kind of wonder what there was in terms of contemporaries for the old Evangel and twins and stuff like that.
37:24
SPEAKER_04: So you'll you'll remember the Helio Courier, uh, not a twin, single engine, big old tower dragon thing, got some spooky kind of crosswing gear that you can do stuff, it's got leaning edge slats, all sorts of stuff.
37:35
SPEAKER_04: There's only one in the UK of those, by the way, that I know of.
37:38
SPEAKER_04: And um, and a a really funky, a really funky aeroplane that had amazing performance and that that kind of gained notoriety for being part of Air America or various other dodgy bits and pieces that were going on.
37:50
SPEAKER_04: Um, and then I also discovered that they also built, I think it was like 500 of those built.
37:55
SPEAKER_04: They they built a turbo um the Helio Stallion.
37:58
SPEAKER_04: The stallion.
37:59
SPEAKER_04: Yes, absolutely.
38:01
SPEAKER_04: Also sounds like a car.
38:02
SPEAKER_04: The Helio Courier, not good enough testosterone for yeah, we can get you the stallion.
38:06
SPEAKER_04: Anyway, and I think they even built fewer of those, so that was less successful.
38:11
SPEAKER_04: But there was also the H-500.
38:14
SPEAKER_04: Wow.
38:15
SPEAKER_04: The twin helio.
38:16
SPEAKER_04: And the twin helio was based on the Stallion for a lot of the Stallion structure, but became all of a sudden they turned it into a jokey airplane.
38:24
SPEAKER_04: So we're going like, oh, gone very round.
38:26
SPEAKER_04: Looks like it should be in a Disney cartoon.
38:28
SPEAKER_04: And two um tail dragger, two like a rings on on top of each wing.
38:34
SPEAKER_04: Right.
38:34
SPEAKER_04: Not quite a la Honda, but kind of like on top of it to keep the props out of the out of the rocks, yeah.
38:41
SPEAKER_04: It was certain first flew in 1960.
38:43
SPEAKER_04: It was um certified somewhat strangely by the FAA on the basis of we certify this for its need in Vietnam, but and and other places, but you have to promise you're never going to commercialise it.
38:57
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
38:57
SPEAKER_04: Sell it to anybody else.
38:59
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
38:59
SPEAKER_04: And I guess they went, yeah, sure.
39:01
SPEAKER_04: But again, only seven seven of them built.
39:04
SPEAKER_04: Um, none of which survive.
39:06
SPEAKER_04: That's insane.
39:07
SPEAKER_04: And they went to they went to all sorts of dodgy CIA places.
39:10
SPEAKER_04: They were like popped up in all you can occasionally find a few pictures, they've popped up in in strange places that you go, what the hell was it doing there?
39:17
SPEAKER_04: kind of thing like that.
39:18
SPEAKER_04: And it was a funky little airplane.
39:20
SPEAKER_04: It looked, it looked kind of a a bit weird.
39:22
SPEAKER_04: 1600 feet a minute climb, right?
39:24
SPEAKER_04: Uh 700 uh nautical mile range, uh, 160 knots.
39:28
SPEAKER_04: So it was quite a good little 160 knots.
39:31
SPEAKER_04: 160 knots, yeah.
39:32
SPEAKER_04: Wow.
39:32
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
39:33
SPEAKER_04: So I don't think they were worried about economy.
39:36
SPEAKER_04: Just get out of here quick before they come and get us.
39:38
SPEAKER_04: Um but I and it was kind of it was at the time when people were building yeah, Pipe Piper went from the Cherokee 6 effectively to the Seneca.
39:47
SPEAKER_04: Right.
39:48
SPEAKER_04: And Cessna sort of went from the 210 to 337-ishy type thing.
39:53
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
39:53
SPEAKER_04: Um helio were like hold my beer.
39:56
SPEAKER_04: Well, the the twin thing was a bit of a thing, is what I mean.
39:59
SPEAKER_04: It's a bit yeah, and and so Helio went for this and thought they I guess they thought they were gonna sell a whole load of more um to CA type funny operations going on.
40:09
SPEAKER_03: There's There's probably the only thing I can think of that's weirder than that, than your Helio, uh, and I can't remember the model type, but do you remember when we were in the Dornia Museum uh last year uh we saw a that it was a a pusher, a twin pusher Dornier for stall with vectoring thrust.
40:32
SPEAKER_04: Vectoring exhaust almost or something, wasn't it?
40:34
SPEAKER_04: Oh no, vectoring extra problems.
40:36
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
40:37
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
40:38
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, like universal joints.
40:40
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
40:40
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, that was a weird thing.
40:41
SPEAKER_04: And an ejector seat.
40:43
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
40:43
SPEAKER_04: I I'm kind of guessing that the pilots of those things and the pilots of the the H5 were probably not operating in friendly skies.
40:54
SPEAKER_04: Do you think?
40:55
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I don't think.
40:56
SPEAKER_04: But I thought I just thought it was kind of there should be, hopefully, there should be a little bit of video that once appeared bizarrely as in a in a cameo role in a in a French film with Jean-Paul Belmondo, who was just a smoking callie, just in case you haven't seen the video.
41:11
SPEAKER_04: Look at you with your film reference.
41:12
SPEAKER_04: That's a rare occurrence.
41:13
SPEAKER_03: It is, it is.
41:14
SPEAKER_03: But anyway, there you go.
41:15
SPEAKER_03: That's that's what caught my eye.
41:16
SPEAKER_03: Very good.
41:17
SPEAKER_03: Well, uh if any of those, if you've if one of those is your favourite, tell us in the comments.
41:21
SPEAKER_03: Otherwise, if something has caught your eye, tell us about it in the comments too.
41:28
SPEAKER_05: Events.
41:29
SPEAKER_05: Events.
41:29
SPEAKER_05: Yes, right.
41:30
SPEAKER_05: Well, it's come to a very quiet time of year.
41:32
SPEAKER_05: But this weekend, there's Pilot Careers Live in London.
41:35
SPEAKER_05: That's on Saturday the first.
41:37
SPEAKER_05: We'll be there, I'll be there as well.
41:39
SPEAKER_05: On the following day on Sunday, 2nd of November, there's a pumpkin flying at Fenland Airfield.
41:44
SPEAKER_05: And next Wednesday, the 5th of November, is the fireworks flying at Slate.
41:50
SPEAKER_03: Um I'm guessing if you fly in at night, then you're gonna need a night rate.
41:55
SPEAKER_03: A night rating to fly back out after the fireworks.
41:58
SPEAKER_06: Yes, yeah.
41:59
SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
42:00
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's that time of the year when everyone everyone stops thinking about night ratings.
42:04
SPEAKER_04: Do your night rating.
42:05
SPEAKER_04: Do your night rating.
42:06
SPEAKER_04: Get your night hours up.
42:07
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
42:07
SPEAKER_04: Find an airfield that's open.
42:08
SPEAKER_04: Anyway, good.
42:10
SPEAKER_04: Uh so thank you very much for watching.
42:11
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42:12
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42:21
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42:23
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42:26
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42:27
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42:31
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42:31
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42:32
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42:33
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