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#107: Gill1918 presents Brenton Emanuel "Recruiting in Today's NCAA Part 2" · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  Now let's get into today's topic.
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  Open this up, you know, ask you many questions about the
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  recruiting process and kind of what we look for or, or or other
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  universities at mid major level when I was there.
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  I can give you some ideas about that stuff too.
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  Come on, you got to come up so he can hear you.
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  Hi. Coach, can you share your
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  thoughts for both of us who are high school coaches on your
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  recruitment when it comes to, I mean you spoke about
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  preparedness in the classroom, having good grades, but now
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  preparedness for college type of experience.
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  Can you share with my thoughts on your recruitment process or
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  even your Staffs recruitment process when it comes to
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  development of an athlete that's a senior, whether they have a
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  private coach, a really great developmental high school coach
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  and how does that look for you when you're recruiting high
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  school athletes, JUCO athletes and portal athletes?
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  Like what's the most important thing as high school coaches
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  need to know to do our athletes? You know, for me, you know, in
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  USC here, the biggest thing, the biggest things are, you know,
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  the academic, you know, we have a really high math standard.
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  And so we look at the math grades, like obviously stats,
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  you know, we get kids that are, you know, are hitting that 1020
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  run 11311225AS women. That's the easy part.
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  But it's it's really deciphering, you know, their
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  personality, you know, are they someone that has ran a lot of
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  volume? We want to talk to the coaches.
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  You know, we one thing we do ask, we'll ask, we'll ask for
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  who are the most important people in your life and we will
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  contact them and we'll ask, you know, one, we'll ask the parents
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  for permission to recruit their son or daughter 2.
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  We'll ask the coaches, like tell me about this kid.
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  Give me the description of their academic.
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  Is there times where you had to get on them about things?
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  And that doesn't necessarily turn us away from somebody.
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  You know, it's just more like, OK, is this something, something
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  we can handle? That's the thing we want to
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  know. Can we handle the things that
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  need to be worked on? A lot of times are your time
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  management and we want to know about their time management
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  skills, any trouble they've been into.
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  But when it comes to like kind of that development piece, we
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  have so many checks and balances in place here.
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  Like we have meetings on top of meetings on top of meetings.
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  We have sports performance to work with our our sports
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  psychologist, our athletic trainers, our strength
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  conditioning coach. We all meet to talk about that
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  student athlete or all student athletes situation.
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  If they're doing well in one spot or if they're lacking in
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  another spot, how can we make that better for them?
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  And then we have academic meeting to discuss everything's
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  going academically with them. And so for here, like you come
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  to a program like us, you're not going to fail.
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  There's no pressure just to be successful.
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  A national champion All American your freshman year, you're
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  giving it a year and two, about two years, you know, 2 1/2 years
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  to kind of get your life together because they do
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  struggle. We are real.
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  I'll say we are very authentic and realistic here.
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  Your freshman is going to be tough.
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  And so the more that you can, you know, talk about time
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  management, starting the little, the little habits of sleeping,
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  getting 8 hours, 8 hours a night of sleep, eating properly, those
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  things that will help us because we, we do work on those things.
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  But we have some kids that are so far off from that right now
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  that we're having to like backtrack and, and, and kind of
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  be elementary with them to get them where they, where they need
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  to be, which is not, I'm not calling you an elementary coach.
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  I'm just saying like, we have to like spoon feed them.
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  Hey, this is how you eat properly.
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  This is how you, this is what time you should go to bed.
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  We have to be so dedicated to their schedule to check in with
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  them to make sure they are taking care of business.
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  So if you can help them with, you know, obviously standing on
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  track academically working on their sleeping habits and their
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  eating habits. I mean, maybe it's just talking
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  about, I know you guys have families yourself and you guys
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  are are very limited on time, but have those conversations.
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  Maybe it's 5 minutes a week. You guys talk about, hey, if you
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  want to go to college, these are things you have to do.
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  You heard it from USC, you heard it from University of Illinois,
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  you heard it from all of that Nazarene.
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  They're all going to be the same.
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  You're sleeping, you're eating and your and your work habits
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  are going to be the three things that we're going to look at the
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  most. And then we want to want to talk
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  to you guys as coaches. Like I want to, I want to know
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  each coach that is coached my student athletes so that I know
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  what I'm getting myself into, but also it does help build that
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  relationship. So when you call me again, hey
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  coach, I got another kit for you.
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  I don't. I don't second guess myself.
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  Like I know this guy's calling me and the kids going to be
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  really good or they're going to have the right foundation behind
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  them to be successful. My question would be, would it
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  be more easier to have some type of program of tracking this?
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  Over to. To give to colleges, not just
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  UIC and IC, but I'm just saying, would that be easier to do it?
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  Do you have a program that you guys might ask for, like what
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  you work, ask for the workout portion.
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  You said that now when you call a student or whatever the case
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  may be, if they have that program together, what program
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  should they? Be using.
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  If you have something. Advisable.
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  You mean like a program to like to get in contact with us?
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  Is that what you're saying program?
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  Like they workout program. Like if you're asking what are
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  what's their workout schedule, do you even ask that?
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  Is that something? Yeah, we do, we do.
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  And you know, I would say like it's just you know what I do
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  when I when I call recruit, I have my notebook.
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  I have a recruiting notebook that I use.
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  I write down the kids name and I listen to what everything that I
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  say, like I have like little checkpoints, ask my questions,
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  but then I also will follow up with the coach.
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  So then I'll ask like, hey, so they say mention you guys run,
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  you know, hills on Wednesday and just to kind of confirm the
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  things that they're telling me are about the same.
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  But also seeing what what you see, how the program makes a lot
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  of time. You can say, Oh, 'cause we don't
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  really run that much. And it's like, what does that
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  mean? We only did, you know, 10-4
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  hundreds? Like, well, is there a reason
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  why you did 10-4 hundreds today? Like can I know why?
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  So I, you know, I listen to the student athlete, but all I
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  follow up with the coach. So there's not really it's on
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  every single coach. Some coaches don't care about
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  those things. But for me personally, I want to
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  know if you're a volume person, if you like a lot of volume or
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  have you been hurt, injuries and stuff like that.
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  Well, obviously we're doing 3:50 hundreds.
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  I'm I'm sorry if you guys do this workout, but some athletes,
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  athletes can't handle that and they get hurt and they get hurt
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  and it's like, OK, so I'm going to tell you right now, I know
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  they'll give you 10 to 400, which I would never do that.
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  But I hear that they hear the amount of volume people are
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  doing. It's like, OK, then I see that
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  they've done well with it, but obviously there's injuries that
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  come with it. So maybe we got to find a common
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  median what they're training to help them be successful.
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  And, and for me, like, you know, as much as it takes a lot of
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  time, but I'm able to individualize a lot of, a lot of
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  my workouts. And so I, I will have, you know,
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  different workouts for, for a lot of different people because
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  I, I hear the conversations I have with the coaches and the
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  athletes and like hearing how they responded.
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  Like I do feel like I don't have to recreate the wheel with some
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  athletes if it's been working really well, but I will, you
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  know, make sure that I, you know, we do things I want to get
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  done, but I'm I'm out here. I'm out here trying to create
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  all these crazy workouts. There's nothing like we talked
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  about somebody in the office. There's no other workout.
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  There's nothing, there's no secret to this thing.
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  Like I have someone emailed me this past year, like coach,
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  what's the secret of USC? We just have kids that run fast.
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  Like we just don't mess them up. There's no true secret is
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  there's no secret workout out there.
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  You know, so I follow up with the coach and the athlete and I,
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  I jotted down, but not every coach is going to do that.
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  Not every coach is is as involved as as we may be.
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  So I wish I could tell you there was a program for that, but I'll
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  just be honest with them and just kind of tell them what you
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  do and just give it, you know, a pretty good briefing of it.
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  And the coach, most coaches will reach out to you and kind of
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  find out those things, so. So if you are keeping data on
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  it, that's that's my whole question.
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  It's not what type of program you're running if you're keeping
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  data on the. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  That easier just to transfer over to you that.
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  Was why? Oh yeah, I mean, yeah, if, if
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  you have something like that, absolutely.
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  I mean, we love that. I mean, if if you know,
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  especially I'm a I'm a track nerd.
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  So I want to see everything that you guys are doing, like just
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  kind of see how it's been tracking.
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  So yeah, I would yes, I would definitely do that.
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  If you have if you're that type of I'm sorry, I just answered
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  your question, man. I mean to go on a rant, OK?
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  Are there any? Indicators that you may learn
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  about a recruit even no matter how good they are, you
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  absolutely will not recruit them.
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  Like if they fit all your standards but you find out 1
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  little tidbit about them that you hold a standard.
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  Like I will not recruit you because of their only child or
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  they play a sport you don't like or anything odd.
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  No, I would say there's I've been thing that sticks out to me
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  as how they treat you guys as coaches and how they treat their
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  parents. I mean, I watched a kid told her
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  mom, her mom to shut up in front of me and I said, oh, listen,
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  this is over with now. I I'm definitely not recruiting.
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  Eric, you, you tell your mom to shut up in front of a coach.
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  Like to me, it's like if you're able and her mom didn't say
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  anything and it's like, that's just wild to me that you were
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  able to feel that comfortable. Tell your mom to shut up in
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  front of a coach. You don't really barely even
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  know. So no, you know, I, I take it,
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  you know, I used to have like a couple questions on ask
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  recruits. Like for instance, my guy here
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  that runs 1985 in the 200 when I was recruiting him out of high
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  school, he was A468 kid, 21 one. And I remember I would pick him
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  up from the airport. And you know, most kids that
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  are, you know, 78 years old, you know that, you know, they're
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  they like hip hop music. And so I'm like, hey, man, what
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  type of music do you listen to? Like, who's your favorite
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  artist? And he said to me, he said video
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  game music. I said, what?
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  The video game music? I said, OK, So I went home and I
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  went to I talked to my wife. I said, I don't know if I can
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  recruit this kid because we have nothing in common.
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  Video game music. I I don't know anything about no
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  video game music. She goes, my wife goes.
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  You remember the last time you had a kid?
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  What, you thought it was a little bit different?
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  He's trying to be one of your best hurdlers ever.
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  I said, you're right. And so I recruited him and look
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  at him now. I ran in 1985.
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  I left Nebraska. He came with me here.
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  So I'm glad I listened to my wife.
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  I talked to her about these repeating processes.
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  A lot of times I will have her meet a kid too, because she has
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  a really good read on people. Because sometimes I get caught
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  up in the, in the times I, I, I'm a human being.
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  Like I see 20.7. I want you.
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  Yeah, absolutely. But then it's like, wait a
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  minute, you got some red flags. Let me talk.
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  Let me, let me have you meet my wife real quick.
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  She's a former teacher. And so she'll be able to, to
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  look at those things and be like, Nah, you don't want this
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  kid. And so no, I just, you know, I
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  try to judge everyone individually, but I will say how
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  they treat their coaches and how they treat their parents is
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  really big for me. And I'll ask, you know, are they
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  good teammates too? You know, we don't want someone
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  that can come up and just tear up our our, our environment or
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  our our team culture. And so those are probably the
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  biggest things I can deal with video game music, I can deal
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  with only eating seafood and stuff like that.
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  I don't like it, but I can deal with those things.
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  But I just need to know that you're going to be a good
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  person. That's probably the biggest
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  thing because I mean, I, I'm not saying this in a bad way.
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  Like I, you spend more time with other people's kids.
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  I do my own kids at times. And so I, I got to know I'm
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  around a good human being. You know, someone that's going
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  to be someone that I want to be around knowing that I'm missing
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  my baby's basketball game. This today we're at practice
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  working hard. Are you a good human being?
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  Like I want to know those things.
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  My last question, you said 2 1/2 years to give them a leeway
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  that's going into their junior year, senior year.
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  So like senior year, I, I believe it's pretty much
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  standing over with, you know what I mean?
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  Are you saying, Yeah, I I would say that, but here is a little
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  bit different because Coach Watts was here for three years.
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  He didn't really do very much in his senior year.
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  He was Olympic champion and NCAA champion.
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  So for us, you know, we're not going to get rid of you.
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  We're not going to force you out the door.
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  Started me to cut you off. I'm just letting you know that's
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  what so I. Mean like as a freshman in high
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  school. Yeah, about.
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  That like when you when do you guys start looking at a kid?
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  Are you talking about their junior year or their senior year
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  or their freshman year or? We've been talking to some
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  juniors already. We can't talk to sophomores or
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  freshmen. That's essentially rule.
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  But we can we we know who's we know who's cooking out there.
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  We know who's not cooking. But I'll say their junior year.
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  We've already we've already kind of identified some kids in the
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  27th class that we're looking at.
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  But as you know, like there's a kid right now that no is on no
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  one's radar that's going to run, you know, probably 740 in the 60
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  as a junior this year as a female and and a guy is going to
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  run 670 or 665 out of nowhere. So it's very fluid.
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  You know, we're there's it's always ongoing, but we start
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  looking their junior year for sure.
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  How many kids are actually getting?
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  Nil. Money.
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  To those who are saying they're getting.
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  That's a great question. You know, like first I was
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  talking to a coach in the SEC about we're we're trying to
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  coordinated recruit coming to visit both of our schools and I
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  was made the drugs like make all that money.
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  You guys got down to Auburn. You can't you can't afford this
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  plane ticket. He goes coach.
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  We don't have we don't have that.
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  We don't have that much money. Like you guys have all this NIL
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  money and it's like, what do y'all have?
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  He goes, we have $50,000 in in two distance kids.
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  I said that's all you have. I said one, I said you guys have
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  distance at your school and I was being dead serious.
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  I wasn't even trying to be like funny with them.
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  Like I got distance and he goes, yes, we have distance and we
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  have two kids on that NIO money. So I would say here, let's say
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  we have 65 kids in our roster. I would say 30 to 35 are in some
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  some type of in IO money. Other universities are probably
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  probably about the same. I would say about 60% of kids
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  are probably are getting something now that something may
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  not maybe 500 bucks. It could be, you know, I, I know
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  there's a guy on our team is making six figures and some you
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  know, so yes, there's but I would say about 65% sixty to 65%
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  probably are getting something. And are the kids.
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  Who are? Getting the NILL money.
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  On full scholarship, Yep. No, OK, yes and no for for us,
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  yes from for the most part, but because you know, we we have a
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  different way of getting kids now.
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  I say it costs 97,000 thousand 7000 to go here.
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  We do have walk ONS technically because there's kids that
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  because of their financial aid situation at home can qualify
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  for a lot of financial aid. And so the university will cover
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  like $80,000 worth of their schooling.
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  And So what we'll do is put them on and I owe money for the extra
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  like 20,000 and give them, give them the same stipend they would
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  have if they were on a full scholarship.
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  So like they're on and I owe money.
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  But really it's just helping us, you know, move our money around
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  so we can get another teammate. But so some of the kids are on
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  it, not necessarily because of their national placing is more
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  because of it's helping us make some other moves here and get
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  another athlete here. But so, yeah, a lot of a lot of
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  them are on money, though. Go ahead, Drew coach Daniel.
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  Coach Calvin resigned that in high school.
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  I tell. My kids all the time to watch
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  what they put out on social media.
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  Do you have you had recruits or you go check their social media?
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  Absolutely every, every time, every recruit that I, that I,
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  that we sign, we go through all that and, and that's something,
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  you know, like, you know, one thing I will say, OK, here's a
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  red flag. And then you ask me about a red
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  flag. If I look on your social media
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  page and I see more of you doing like beach, Are you on the beach
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  or you're doing this? You're never really on track and
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  field videos that does make you think like, do you really love
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  it? Or you just do it because you're
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  good at it or someone's forcing you?
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  Because a lot of times you will find kids that are, have been
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  forced to do it by their parent or somebody and they don't
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  really love it. So I want to see, do you love
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  this sport? You don't have to be like a lot
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  of my guys here are like obsessed with track and field.
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  They talk about going pro this and that and they're watching
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  every they're watching videos from two years ago and what
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  they're doing. I'm getting texted all through
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  the night about coach, you help me with my start.
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  That's psycho and I love it. But I need to see that you love
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  track and field. I got to see it on your face A
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  lot of time when I see it like some of the women where it's
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  just like you're just they're in bathing suits and stuff like
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  that. I'm like, do you really love
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  this? Because this is not something
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  that you can do part time as much as you know, we can say
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  you're a student athlete. Yes, you are student academics
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  come first, but there's other, you know, where $100,000 comes
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  from. You have to make sure you're
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  you're you're living up to your to that standard.
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  And so I got to know that you love the sport.
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  You know, you don't got to, you know, talk about 24/7, but I got
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  to see that you love the sport on your social media page.
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  If I don't see that is that's an X for me.
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  Sorry, good. Job Bristol, thank you so much.
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  Thank you, guys. Fight on.
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  All right, coach. I'll be in contact with you
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  boss. All right, brother.
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  Hey, make sure you watch the Trojans tonight.
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  Beat the Huskers, please. Oh, my God.
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  All right. I'll see y'all later.
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  Bye. See you like a boss.
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  I'll make 2 cups at the high school at the college.
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  And solid downs. Yeah, I'm a high school, you
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  know, I, I sit in a very unique position.
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  You know, I used to coach, but I know high school and college,
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  I'm in both sides of them, Things like that.
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  Now I could be out-of-the-box. I'm like cracking what you guys
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  are thinking, what you're doing the same with our college guys.
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  So I can see things a little bit differently on the high school,
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  the college side. I don't really entertain a lot
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  of the conversations like you was talking about where someone
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  says, oh, why, Why are you able to get a scholarship with
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  Georgia, not USC? And how come they aren't
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  recruiting my team and things like that.
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  Recruiting's a lot like dating. If someone, if a young lady or a
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  young man says they're not interested in.
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  You what? There's a great thing about it.
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  There are a lot of schools with track programs on the college
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  side. There is a track program for
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  each one of your kids, no matter where their level is.
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  That's interesting. OK, it'll do you no good to
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  argue with that, Coach. How come you're not offering my
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  kid? Or how come you're not offering
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  my kid more? They're told you what they
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  think. That's great and we move on.
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  And look at other team. Can I make a comment?
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  So I have two kids that went to you on and that's I felt a lot
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  of good kids scholars. One of the things that that
• 18:04
  coaches don't think is good is check your roster.
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  Do you have a foreign hurdler and they currently have three
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  foreign hurdlers and that. Was pretty, yeah.
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  There's no reason to to convince that's right.
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  This this whole, you know, you know, I was wondering high
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  school coaches, you know, if they get in your program and why
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  are they doing that right? Just the the moral story is
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  you're not going to change their mind.
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  Move on. There's a lot of other good
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  options. Now the other thing, what he
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  said there about checking social media and stuff like that, I've
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  been doing a pretty I'm probably not going.
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  To recruit when? I was in college and I've seen a
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  lot of critical football, basketball, track and field.
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  I have yet to see a kid. Bad kids.
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  Sorry, let me change that. Kids who have done bad things
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  for good athletes not get a scholarship.
• 18:50
  Hey gang, Mike Cunningham here. Hey, I hope you enjoyed this
• 18:53
  episode of the Guild 1918 Project series.
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  It's really my mission, my passion to bring you massive
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  amounts of value and I hope this one hit the mark.
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  The Guilt 1918 Project is really dependent on you if for you to
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  E-mail, text message, Twitter, smoke signals, get a hold of me
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