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The Man Who Rewrote Her Career: The Portfolio in the Ice · Dark Psychology Manipulation

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  Speaker 1: A leather portfolio with a brass zipper sat wedged in
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  Speaker 1: the ice at a drainage culvert on a trail spur
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  Speaker 1: in Marsden County. It was March twenty nineteen. A rescue
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  Speaker 1: shepherd named Biscuit found it before any investigator did. Inside
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  Speaker 1: forty one months of paste ups, two apartment leases, a
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  Speaker 1: professional certification copy, and one handwritten letter, every document bore
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  Speaker 1: the same name. That name was Holly Mitchell, and Holly
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  Speaker 1: Mitchell had no idea any of it existed. This is
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  Speaker 1: the story of how one man spent five years quietly
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  Speaker 1: dismantling another person's professional reality, and how a dog on
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  Speaker 1: a day off, a deputy who almost filed the long form,
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  Speaker 1: and a therapist who read the sheriff's log changed everything.
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  Speaker 1: There is something about this case that does not fit
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  Speaker 1: the categories most people reach for. Jerry Barnes never raised
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  Speaker 1: his voice at Holly. He never threatened her. According to
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  Speaker 1: the court record, he did something far more methodical. He
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  Speaker 1: made himself the only mirror she had, and then he
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  Speaker 1: controlled what the mirror showed. That detail kept surfacing over
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  Speaker 1: and over when investigators later pieced the time line together.
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  Speaker 1: A woman who had color coated her files since her twenties,
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  Speaker 1: who had never missed a deadline, who had run four
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  Speaker 1: miles every morning since age twenty six. That woman spent
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  Speaker 1: five years believing she might simply be bad at her job.
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  Speaker 1: The documents in that portfolio are the reason why, and
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  Speaker 1: before this episode is over, one of them will recontextualize
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  Speaker 1: everything you think you understand about how Barnes operate. Holly
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  Speaker 1: Mitchell turned thirty eight in the spring of two thousand nineteen,
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  Speaker 1: one month after the arrest. Before that spring, people who
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  Speaker 1: worked alongside her would have described her the same way,
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  Speaker 1: methodical prepared, the kind of person whose death looked like
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  Speaker 1: a system rather than a surface. Color coated index tabs
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  Speaker 1: laminated weekly schedules, a wall calendar with tasks sorted by
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  Speaker 1: urgency and category. She had been a compliance analyst at
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  Speaker 1: Trident Meridian Solutions in Marsden County since her late twenties.
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  Speaker 1: Compliance work suited her. It is built on documentation, on precision,
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  Speaker 1: on the principle that the record does not lie. She
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  Speaker 1: believed that it mattered to her. Her anchor was physical
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  Speaker 1: as much as professional. Five days a week, starting at
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  Speaker 1: six fifteen in the morning, she ran four miles. She
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  Speaker 1: had kept that routine since age twenty six, not because
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  Speaker 1: of discipline as a performance, because motion steadied her, the
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  Speaker 1: route was familiar, the time was hers. It was the
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  Speaker 1: one part of the day that remained exactly what it
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  Speaker 1: appeared to be. By the summer of twenty eighteen, that
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  Speaker 1: stability was the only thing holding. She had been passed
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  Speaker 1: over or two promotions. Twenty two months had passed without
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  Speaker 1: a raise. Colleagues she considered less experienced had moved ahead.
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  Speaker 1: She could not locate the reason she had begun to wonder,
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  Speaker 1: in the way people wondered when every external signal contradicts
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  Speaker 1: their own memory of their effort. Whether she was simply
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  Speaker 1: not as capable as she had believed. That late summer,
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  Speaker 1: she started seeing a therapist named Alice Schultz. Schultz held
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  Speaker 1: a postgraduate training in coercive control. That credential would matter
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  Speaker 1: more than anyone anticipated. Jerry Barnes had been at Trident
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  Speaker 1: Meridian for years before Holly arrived. He carried the title
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  Speaker 1: of Senior Operations Director. He was approximately fifteen years older
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  Speaker 1: than Holly. They met in the spring of twenty fourteen,
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  Speaker 1: when he introduced himself as someone worth knowing, someone who
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  Speaker 1: understood how the institution worked, who the decision makers were,
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  Speaker 1: and how to navigate both. He positioned himself as a mentor.
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  Speaker 1: He was attentive and specific in a way that felt rare.
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  Speaker 1: He remembered things Holly mentioned. He made her feel, according
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  Speaker 1: to later accounts gathered by investigators, that she was being
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  Speaker 1: genuinely seen inside an organization that did not always see
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  Speaker 1: its junior staff. That is the architecture the case later exposed.
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  Speaker 1: According to Detective Roy Peterman's investigation, Barnes had a pattern.
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  Speaker 1: He identified junior employees who were skilled and ambitious, and
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  Speaker 1: who responded strongly to being recognized. He cultivated proximity. He
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  Speaker 1: made himself the person they turned to for guidance, for advocacy,
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  Speaker 1: for a read on situations that confused them, and then
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  Speaker 1: slowly he began to close the exits. Barnes had no
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  Speaker 1: formal supervisory authority over Holly. That is a central fact
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  Speaker 1: of this case. He was not her direct manager. He
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  Speaker 1: had no sanctioned role in her performance evaluations. The channel
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  Speaker 1: through which he inserted himself into her professional trajectory was
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  Speaker 1: entirely informal, which made it nearly invisible what Holly did
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  Speaker 1: not know in two thousand fourteen, when Barnes began arriving
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  Speaker 1: at her desk with coffee and career advice was that
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  Speaker 1: she was not the first. Investigators would eventually identify at
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  Speaker 1: least two prior targets, a man named Kevin Ardell at
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  Speaker 1: a freight management company around two thousand seven, and a
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  Speaker 1: woman named Tara Weston, who, by the time investigators found her,
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  Speaker 1: had left her field in tired. Both described behaviors that
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  Speaker 1: Peterman later characterized as a consistent playbook, refined over time.
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  Speaker 1: The playbook had a beginning. It also had tools, and
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  Speaker 1: the most important tool, the one that made everything else possible,
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  Speaker 1: was one Holly would not learn about until a shepherd
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  Speaker 1: named Biscuit pulled a zipper tab out of the mud
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  Speaker 1: on a trail she had never walked. The tool was
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  Speaker 1: a phone call. In two thousand fifteen, Holly Mitchell applied
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  Speaker 1: for a position at a competing firm. She had prepared carefully.
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  Speaker 1: She had not listed Jerry Barnes as a reference. She
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  Speaker 1: had not given his name to anyone involved in the process.
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  Speaker 1: Barnes held no formal authority over her work, no title
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  Speaker 1: that would make him relevant to a hiring decision recruiter
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  Speaker 1: Paul Hensley later told investigators what he had received anyway,
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  Speaker 1: a call from someone who identified himself as Holly's direct supervisor.
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  Speaker 1: The caller described her as a talented person who struggled
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  Speaker 1: with minimal oversight. He said she needed close direction to
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  Speaker 1: perform consistently. Holly did not get the job. Barnes found
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  Speaker 1: her in the breakway that afternoon. He said he was
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  Speaker 1: sorry to hear it. He suggested that maybe the timing
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  Speaker 1: wasn't right. He said Trident Meridium was lucky to keep her.
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  Speaker 1: She thanked him that exchange. The false reference delivered without
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  Speaker 1: her knowledge, followed immediately by consolation from the person who
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  Speaker 1: delivered it was the engine at the center of this case.
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  Speaker 1: Every obstacle Barnes created came packaged with his offer to
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  Speaker 1: help navigate it. Every door he closed, he walked her
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  Speaker 1: past as though the lock were a mystery they shared.
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  Speaker 1: Two years passed. In twenty seventeen, Trident Meridian sponsored a
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  Speaker 1: cohort for a professional compliance certification. Holly applied. She had
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  Speaker 1: a time stamped e mail confirming her submission arrived on time.
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  Speaker 1: Her application was marked late. Two other analysts received spots
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  Speaker 1: in the Cohort Barnes told Holly there had been a
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  Speaker 1: system error. He told her he had raised it with HR.
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  Speaker 1: He said he would keep pushing. Nothing changed. Holly created
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  Speaker 1: a folder on her desktop. She labeled it Discrepancies inside
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  Speaker 1: the time stamped email, a note about the outcome, a
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  Speaker 1: comparison of her submission date against the Cohort announcement, documentary
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  Speaker 1: proof that something had gone wrong and that she had
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  Speaker 1: not imagined it. She showed that folder to no one.
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  Speaker 1: That detail, a woman who collected evidence of her own
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  Speaker 1: reality and then sealed it away, is one of the
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  Speaker 1: quieter facts in this case. It did not reflect confusion.
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  Speaker 1: It reflected the particular damage that had already been done.
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  Speaker 1: By two thousand seventeen, Holly had learned not to say
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  Speaker 1: things out loud that she couldn't be certain some one
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  Speaker 1: would believe. She had learned to doubt the gap between
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  Speaker 1: what she knew and what could be proven. By two
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  Speaker 1: thousand eighteen, she had been passed over for two promotions.
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  Speaker 1: She had gone twenty two months without arrays. She had
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  Speaker 1: begun weekly sessions with a licensed clinical social worker named
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  Speaker 1: Alice Schultz, who specialized in coercive control. What she told
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  Speaker 1: Schultz in those sessions, investigators later learned was not that
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  Speaker 1: she suspected any one in acting the liberal. She said
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  Speaker 1: she felt like she was failing at a job she
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  Speaker 1: used to be good at. She said she had started
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  Speaker 1: to wonder if her memory was reliable. She still ran
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  Speaker 1: four miles every morning at six fifteen. That part had
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  Speaker 1: not changed. On a morning in March twenty nineteen, a
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  Speaker 1: rescue shepherd named Biscuit stopped at a drainage culvert on
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  Speaker 1: a spur of the Ridgeline boot train. His owner, a
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  Speaker 1: dog bloomer named Megan Smith, was on her day off.
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  Speaker 1: Biscuit pulled a zipper tab from the mud. The object
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  Speaker 1: beneath it was a leather portfolio, legal document size with
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  Speaker 1: a brass zipper. Deputy Owen Treadwell logged it at the
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  Speaker 1: Marsden County Sheriff's office and nearly filed it as lost property.
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  Speaker 1: Nearly inside the portfolio were forty one months of pay stumps,
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  Speaker 1: two residential leases, a copy of a professional certification, one
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  Speaker 1: handwritten letter. Every document bore the same name, Holly Mitchell.
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  Speaker 1: None of them belonged to the man who had put
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  Speaker 1: them there. Alice Schultz checked the County log. The afternoon,
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  Speaker 1: Meghan's report surfaced. She read recognized the name from her sessions.
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  Speaker 1: She called Deputy Treadwell the same day. Within hours, the
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  Speaker 1: portfolio was in an evidence bag and the case had
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  Speaker 1: a different shape entirely. Investigators opened the leather case and
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  Speaker 1: read through it, item by item. The pay stubbs established
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  Speaker 1: a continuous record of Holly's compensation, forty one months of
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  Speaker 1: it held by someone else. The leases showed where she
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  Speaker 1: had lived. But the item that stopped the investigators was
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  Speaker 1: near the bottom of the stack, a handwritten letter, drafted
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  Speaker 1: in first person as though Holly herself had written it.
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  Speaker 1: It recommended a fictional candidate to accompany Holly had never contacted.
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  Speaker 1: Investigators concluded it was a rehearsal, a draft for submitting
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  Speaker 1: fraudulent professional references in Holly's name, author to sound like
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  Speaker 1: her voice. Barnes had not only been closing doors, he
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  Speaker 1: had been learning to open them wearing her face. Detective
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  Speaker 1: Roy Peterman traced Barnes's employment history back to two thousand four.
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  Speaker 1: What he found was not a single incident. It was
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  Speaker 1: a pattern documented across three companies and two states. A
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  Speaker 1: man named Kevin Ardell had filed an HR complaint around
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  Speaker 1: two thousand seven about a missing recommendation. The complaint was
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  Speaker 1: noted it was not pursuit. A woman named Taro Weston
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  Speaker 1: had been one of Barnes's targets at a later company.
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  Speaker 1: By the time Peterman found her, she had left her
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  Speaker 1: field entirely. In her interview, she described Friday lunches. She
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  Speaker 1: described being told quietly and specifically which colleagues she could
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  Speaker 1: trust and which ones had doubts about her. She described
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  Speaker 1: performance reviews that didn't sound like her. She described the slow,
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  Speaker 1: particular erosion of believing her own account of events. Peterman
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  Speaker 1: noted that Weston had never met Holly Mitchell. The two
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  Speaker 1: accounts were independent. The behaviors they described were, in the
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  Speaker 1: language of his report, functionally identical. Picture. What that pattern
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  Speaker 1: requires not anger, not impulsivity, a system patient, deniable and
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  Speaker 1: portable enough to carry from one organization to the next
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  Speaker 1: for fifteen years. The question investigators had to answer was
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  Speaker 1: not whether Barnes had done this. By the time Peterman
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  Speaker 1: finished his cross state search, that question had already answered itself.
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  Speaker 1: The question was how to prove what he had been
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  Speaker 1: doing inside a building where no one had seen him
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  Speaker 1: do it. The answer came from a jail cell. Denis
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  Speaker 1: Ochoa had been waiting for sentencing on an unrelated charge
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  Speaker 1: when Jerry Barnes arrived in the cell. Seven weeks passed.
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  Speaker 1: Then Barnes started talking. He did not confess to a crime.
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  Speaker 1: He described a method. He explained in what Ocella later
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  Speaker 1: characterized as a tone of pride, how he identified people
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  Speaker 1: who wanted to be seen, junior employees, usually people who
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  Speaker 1: were capable, organized, and slightly uncertain of how capable they
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  Speaker 1: actually were. Barnes called them people who wanted to be seen,
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  Speaker 1: and he made himself the only mirror. Ochoa brought this
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  Speaker 1: account to his public defender. The public defender brought it
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  Speaker 1: to the district attorney's office. Within two weeks, investigators had
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  Speaker 1: obtained a formal recorded confession, not a confession of guilt,
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  Speaker 1: as Barnes understood the word. He described what he had
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  Speaker 1: done with the clinical satisfaction of a craftsman explaining technique.
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  Speaker 1: But the account was complete enough and specific enough that
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  Speaker 1: it aligned with every physical item in the leather portfolio.
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  Speaker 1: It aligned with the fraudulent reference Paul Hensley had received
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  Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen. It aligned with the timestamped email Holly
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  Speaker 1: had never shown anyone It aligned with the handwritten draft
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  Speaker 1: letter written in Holly's voice, addressed to a company she
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  Speaker 1: had never contacted. The jury deliberated for less than one day.
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  Speaker 1: Jerry Barnes was convicted on all counts fraud, criminal impersonation,
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  Speaker 1: unauthorized retention, and use of Holly Mitchell's documents. The judge,
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  Speaker 1: before sentencing him to four years, entered remarks into the
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  Speaker 1: record the harm to Holly's career, her professional network, and
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  Speaker 1: her capacity to trust her own perceptions was, in the
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  Speaker 1: judge's words, a sustained and deliberate campaign, not a misunderstanding,
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  Speaker 1: not an ambitious colleague cutting corners, a campaign, patient, portable,
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  Speaker 1: and executed. Across fifteen years, Detective Petermann's cross state search
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  Speaker 1: had established three companies, two states, and at least two
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  Speaker 1: prior targets. Kevin Ardell's h R complaint from two thousand seven,
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  Speaker 1: logged and not pursued, was now part of a documented pattern.
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  Speaker 1: Tara Weston, who had left her professional field entirely, gave
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  Speaker 1: tests stimony that the jury heard she had never met
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  Speaker 1: Holly Mitchell. She had not needed to the leather portfolio
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  Speaker 1: brass zipper legal document size forty one months of Holly's
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  Speaker 1: life was retained as evidence. It was never returned to
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  Speaker 1: the drainage culvert on the ridgeline loop spur. It exists
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  Speaker 1: now in a property log sealed in an investigator's bag,
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  Speaker 1: bearing the name of a woman who had never authorized
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  Speaker 1: anyone to carry it. What the case established formally and
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  Speaker 1: on the record is this Barnes had been operating without
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  Speaker 1: formal authority over Holly for five years. He had no
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  Speaker 1: supervisory standing. He had no right to author performance reviews,
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  Speaker 1: intercept certification applications, or represent himself to recruiters as her superior.
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  Speaker 1: Every document he touched in her name he had taken
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  Speaker 1: without permission and used without detection until a rescue shepherd
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  Speaker 1: named Biscuit pulled ascent from the ice the edge of
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  Speaker 1: a walking trail. The mechanism of discovery matters. It was
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  Speaker 1: not an audit. It was not a whistleblower with institutional access.
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  Speaker 1: It was a dog groomer on a day off, a
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  Speaker 1: dog following its nose, and a deputy who nearly filed
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  Speaker 1: the whole thing has lost property. Alice Schultz, Holly's therapist,
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  Speaker 1: recognized the pattern in her session notes and escalated the
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  Speaker 1: case by calling Deputy Treadwell. The same afternoon, Megan Smith's
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  Speaker 1: report surfaced in the County log. The chain that brought
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  Speaker 1: Barnes to trial was built from the most ordinary materials imaginable,
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  Speaker 1: a walk, a dog, a phone call, and a therapist
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  Speaker 1: who knew what she was looking at. For Holly, the
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  Speaker 1: legal resolution answered one set of questions and left another
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  Speaker 1: entirely open. The verdict confirmed that her perceptions had been accurate.
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  Speaker 1: Every obstacle she had attributed to her own thing, the
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  Speaker 1: missed promotion, the certification cohort, the job she hadn't gotten,
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  Speaker 1: had a documented external cause. The e mail folder labeled
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  Speaker 1: discrepancies which she had shown to no one turned out
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  Speaker 1: to be a precise record of interventions she hadn't been
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  Speaker 1: able to name at the time she created it. What
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  Speaker 1: the verdict could not return was the twenty two months
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  Speaker 1: without arrays, the two promotions that went to other people,
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  Speaker 1: or the version of Holly Mitchell who had not spent
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  Speaker 1: years doubting her own competence. Coercive professional control of this
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  Speaker 1: kind does not leave bruises. It leaves a person who
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  Speaker 1: has reorganized their sense of what they are capable of
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  Speaker 1: around a false floor, and the floor was built deliberately
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  Speaker 1: by someone who understood exactly what he was doing. The
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  Speaker 1: judge's use of the word campaign was not rhetorical. It
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  Speaker 1: was the most precise word available. The morning after the verdict,
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  Speaker 1: Holly Mitchell ran her four mile loop. She left at
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  Speaker 1: six fifteen, same as all Wes, same route she had
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  Speaker 1: been running since she was twenty six. That detail, ordinary,
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  Speaker 1: un heroic, said, without ceremony, is the one that stays.
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  Speaker 1: There is something worth sitting with in that image, not
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  Speaker 1: because it is a triumph, because it is evidence of
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  Speaker 1: something that Barnes, despite fifteen years of refinement, had failed
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  Speaker 1: to take. He had taken documents, he had taken, opportunities,
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  Speaker 1: he had taken for a period of years, Holly's ability
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  Speaker 1: to trust her own account of her own life. But
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  Speaker 1: the six fifteen run had persisted through all of it,
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  Speaker 1: a thing that was entirely hers, that required no one's
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  Speaker 1: approval and could not be intercepted at the HR system.
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  Speaker 1: Barnes had described his targets as people who wanted to
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  Speaker 1: be seen. What he did not account for, what his
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  Speaker 1: method could not account for. What his method could not
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  Speaker 1: account for was a person who had been keeping evidence
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  Speaker 1: of themselves all along in a color coded in a
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  Speaker 1: timestamped email in a daily run that nobody assigned and
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  Speaker 1: nobody could take away. The ridge line loop still exists.
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  Speaker 1: Megan Smith still walks it. The spur trail where Biscuit
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  Speaker 1: found the culvert is unmarked on any map. This case
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  Speaker 1: appears in behavioral studies on coercive professional control as an
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  Speaker 1: example of what the literature calls identity erosion by institutional proxy,
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  Speaker 1: the use of workplace structures to systematically undermine a person's
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  Speaker 1: professional self perception without leaving the kinds of evidence that
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  Speaker 1: internal processes are designed to detect. Kevin Ardell's complaint in
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  Speaker 1: two thousand seven was logged and not pursued. Had it been,
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  Speaker 1: the pattern might have ended there. It did not end there.
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  Speaker 1: It continued for twelve more years across two more states,
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  Speaker 1: until a leather portfolio surfaced in the wrong place and
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  Speaker 1: the therapist recognized what she was seeing. The question that
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  Speaker 1: does not have a clean answer is not whether Barnes
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  Speaker 1: will serve his four years. He will or he won't,
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  Speaker 1: and the legal record is what it is. The question
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  Speaker 1: is how many people in how many organizations are currently
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  Speaker 1: keeping a folder they have labeled discrepancies and showing it
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  Speaker 1: to no one because they have been told quietly and
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  Speaker 1: specifically that the fault is theirs. Holly Mitchell knows the
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  Speaker 1: answer to that question is not zero. She ran the
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  Speaker 1: loop anyway, six fifteen. Same as always, This show is
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