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The Hidden History of the Universe | Matt Freeman | The Week in Bible Prophecy · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast.
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Speaker 2: Hello, I'm Gary Steer amount of Prophecy Watchers, and with
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Speaker 2: me is Pastor Matt Freeman.
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Speaker 1: Hi, Matt, Gary, how are you this afternoon?
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Speaker 2: I am great, And the good news of the Lord
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Speaker 2: Jesus Christ will keep you right up there where you belong.
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Speaker 1: And yes it does.
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Speaker 2: And the Bible, as we're soon going to find out.
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Speaker 2: And Matt has been preaching on the Book of Joshua.
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Speaker 2: By the way, you might tell him about your church.
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Speaker 1: Sure, the Lord founded New City Church here in Oklahoma
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Speaker 1: City during COVID in twenty twenty. So on November twenty
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Speaker 1: ninth of this year will celebrate five years as a church,
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Speaker 1: and the Lord established it. He named the church after
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Speaker 1: the New Jerusalem from Revelation twenty one, and he called
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Speaker 1: it the New City, New City Church. And we just
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Speaker 1: go through the Bible verse by verse, and we're in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the Book of Joshua right now.
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Speaker 2: I am turned to Joshua chapter ten, and we're going
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Speaker 2: to read verses ten through thirteen. And the events mentioned
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Speaker 2: in these verses are so thought provoking that you can
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Speaker 2: hardly once you open your mind to them. You can
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Speaker 2: hardly imagine where this is all leading. And I'm going
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Speaker 2: to start here with verse ten of chapter ten. And
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Speaker 2: the Lord discomforted them from for Israel, slew them with
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Speaker 2: a great slaughter at Gibbeon who's getting slaughtered at Gibeon here?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Gibbean Knights. So in Joshua, Joshua's leading the
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Speaker 1: children of Israel across the Jordan into the Promised Land.
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Speaker 1: He picks up the mandate from Moses. When the Lord
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Speaker 1: carries Moses home and the children of Israel are going
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Speaker 1: around and conquering one by one the city's in Canaan,
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Speaker 1: and the Gibbean Knights are these that came and deceived
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Speaker 1: Joshua and the children of Israel back in chapter nine
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Speaker 1: to make them think they were from some distant foreign
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Speaker 1: land to make a covenant with them, and when in
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Speaker 1: reality they were just down the street from them. And
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Speaker 1: so Joshua makes a covenant in a league with them,
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Speaker 1: which he was not supposed to do from Deuteronomy. And
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Speaker 1: then once ad An Iszidac and these other kings find
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Speaker 1: out that the Gibbean Knights have defected, they all coalesce
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Speaker 1: and won accord and come to wipe them out, and
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Speaker 1: that leads the Gibbea knights to calling on Joshua's commitment
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Speaker 1: to them to come and fight with them, and that's
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Speaker 1: what leads to the battles in chapter ten.
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Speaker 2: Now what happens here is really thought provoking, because when
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Speaker 2: you go to verse eleven, it came to pass as
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Speaker 2: they fled from before Israel and were in the going
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Speaker 2: down debate Holan, and the Lord cast great stones from
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Speaker 2: heaven and upon them Azerka, and they died unto Azerka.
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Speaker 2: So there's a little area kind of laid out here
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Speaker 2: which was getting blasted from heaven. But this is not
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Speaker 2: at all where it ends. In fact, this is just
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Speaker 2: the beginning. They were more which died with hailstones than
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Speaker 2: they whom the children of Israel had slain with the sword.
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Speaker 2: Then spect Joshua of the Lord in the day when
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Speaker 2: the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel,
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Speaker 2: and said, in the sight of Israel, sun stand thou
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Speaker 2: still upon Gibeon, and thou moon in the valley of Ajalon.
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Speaker 2: Now this is where famously the Lord stops the sun
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Speaker 2: and the moon. Well, that can't happen based on what
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Speaker 2: we know about solar system, right that right, But it
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Speaker 2: did happen.
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Speaker 1: It absolutely happened. And I love how the Lord fought
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Speaker 1: for Joshua and the children of Israel by casting meteorites
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Speaker 1: down on the Earth that with expert precision, only struck
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Speaker 1: the enemies of Israel, and not a single Hebrew was
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Speaker 1: hit by an asteroid or a meteorite and killed. Now,
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Speaker 1: that is some expert precision.
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Speaker 2: Gary.
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Speaker 1: To have these asteroids hurling through space with the Earth spinning,
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Speaker 1: rotating on its axis and spinning around the Sun, all
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Speaker 1: while these asteroids are coming into our atmosphere, not being
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Speaker 1: burned up, but coming down in the exact spot at
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Speaker 1: the right time and hitting the Lord's enemies. That is amazing.
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Speaker 2: That's what you call a supreme aim. Yes, yes, And
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Speaker 2: the next verse is and the sun stood still and
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Speaker 2: the moon stayed. The people's had avenged themselves upon their enemies.
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Speaker 2: Is this not written in the book of jash Er
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Speaker 2: A little query in there, right? Don't you remember this?
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Speaker 2: You should be remembering this. So the sun stood still
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Speaker 2: in the midst of heaven and hasted not to go
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Speaker 2: down about a whole day, twenty four hours, That's what
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Speaker 2: it seems to say it's impossible right if.
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Speaker 1: You water and science would say it is impossible, right,
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Speaker 1: But with God, we know it's not.
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Speaker 2: Now you've been preaching on this, and what an opportunity
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Speaker 2: to talk about the universe, God as creator and how
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Speaker 2: much more he knows about everything than we do.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's right. And what I've been fascinated about is
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Speaker 1: we've been going through Joshua Gary is there's so much
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Speaker 1: that has happened, so much history in our solar system,
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Speaker 1: of what's happened over what could be eons of time,
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Speaker 1: and we honestly know very little about it. With as
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Speaker 1: much science and technology as we have today, with as
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Speaker 1: much as we study history today, there's such little information
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Speaker 1: out there about what's actually happened. And we know the
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Speaker 1: Bible even references in numbers the Book of the Wars
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Speaker 1: of the Lord, and that's a book that we don't
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Speaker 1: have anymore, but there's a book out there that chronicled
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Speaker 1: all of these wars that have happened in the Heavenlyes
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Speaker 1: and in the Old Testament days, in the days of Joshua,
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Speaker 1: they were commonplace. The war in the Heavenlyes was spilling
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Speaker 1: over into our reality here on earth.
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Speaker 2: You know. The next verse, though, it needs to be
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Speaker 2: read at this point because it says a mouthful, this
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Speaker 2: is amazing, and there was no day like it before
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Speaker 2: it or after it. That the Lord hearkened unto the
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Speaker 2: voice of a man. For the Lord fought for Israel.
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Speaker 2: This little verse tells us why God did what he did.
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Speaker 2: And you know, we should never forget God's intentions, his purposes,
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Speaker 2: his long term predictions. And when he says it, it's
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Speaker 2: gonna happen well.
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Speaker 1: And I love that you read that, because the Lord
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Speaker 1: fought for his people. Yes, And Exodus fifteen to three
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Speaker 1: is one of the first prophecies in the Bible about
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Speaker 1: the Lord being a man. Genesis three fifteen obviously the
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Speaker 1: seat of the Woman, but Exodus fifteen three specifically declares
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Speaker 1: that the Lord is a man of war, and the
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Speaker 1: Lord is his name. So how neat that the Lord
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Speaker 1: Jesus himself as a man, is a war captain. He's
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Speaker 1: a general. He's the general, so to speak, right of
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Speaker 1: the heavenly armies and the host of Heaven. And Jesus,
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Speaker 1: as a man of war, fought for Israel. He fights
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Speaker 1: for us today as the Church. He calls us the
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Speaker 1: Armies of Heaven in Revelation nineteen when we come back
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Speaker 1: with him, and he's not idle. And that's what I
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Speaker 1: love about it. Gary, When you study things like this
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Speaker 1: in the Bible, God doesn't just sit back and play
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Speaker 1: armchair quarterback, so to speak. He gets involved and he's
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Speaker 1: involved in the affairs of man.
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Speaker 2: Now, Matt, I have to interrupt. Usually I wouldn't. I
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Speaker 2: just but as you're talking, the thing that's rotating in
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Speaker 2: my head is that at this moment, as we speak,
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Speaker 2: Israel is in a deep and growing war with the
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Speaker 2: tribes that surround her. Does this take you back to
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Speaker 2: the Old Testament times? It does?
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's like you could be reading Joshua, the
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Speaker 1: pages of Joshua in today's headlines, the pages of first
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Speaker 1: and second Kings and first and second Chronicles, and what
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Speaker 1: David went through in wanting to build the temple right
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Speaker 1: but not being able to, and it has so many
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Speaker 1: parallels with today today's headlines. And what's going on in
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Speaker 1: this small sliver of land that is one tenth the
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Speaker 1: size of the state of Oklahoma, and yet the world
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Speaker 1: is obsessed with who's there and why and it has
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Speaker 1: no natural really resources or strategic location. It's just that
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Speaker 1: God's name is on it, and he has leased it
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Speaker 1: so to speak to the Jewish people, and the world
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Speaker 1: hates that.
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Speaker 2: Now, you know, I'm going to ask this question. It's
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Speaker 2: just a rhetorical question. Is there a Joshua around today? Sure?
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Speaker 1: A military commander, absolutely.
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Speaker 2: Okay, and someone that God has said get out there
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Speaker 2: and defend Israel. It's amazing as we look at Joshua,
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Speaker 2: how we're looking at a replay of something that happened
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Speaker 2: a long, long time ago. It's amazing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Joshua. One of the things I love about studying
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Speaker 1: the Book of Joshua is that his name is Yehoshiwa.
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Speaker 1: In the Greek it would be Jesus. So you have
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Speaker 1: on an Old Testament book literally the name of our
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Speaker 1: Messiah as a military commander. And the whole book is
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Speaker 1: about a military commander who leads his people into the
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Speaker 1: land to take it back to whom it rightfully belongs,
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Speaker 1: and to set up and establish a kingdom for his people.
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Speaker 1: And it has so many parallels with the Book of
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Speaker 1: Revelation and the verses you just about the helstones from heaven.
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Speaker 1: There are cosmological supernatural events that happen in space, which
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Speaker 1: we know will happen again during the Tribulation. And there's
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Speaker 1: much to learn about Joshua and apply it not just
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Speaker 1: to us today as the Church, because it has so
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Speaker 1: many parallels to Ephesians with the armor of God and
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Speaker 1: the warfare that we are actually fighting, but prophetically it
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Speaker 1: looks ahead to the Book of Revelation.
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Speaker 2: You know what we say, our God is a great God.
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Speaker 2: That's no exaggeration. In fact, it's not emphatic enough. It's
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Speaker 2: only when you begin to understand passages like this one
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Speaker 2: in Joshua and several others, including the Book of Revelation,
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Speaker 2: of course, that you realize what a great, powerful, all
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Speaker 2: knowing God, creator God we have. Now you've been teaching
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Speaker 2: this New City Church and you're going right. They're deeply
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Speaker 2: into the scope of the miracles mentioned here in Joshua,
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Speaker 2: and I think we ought to talk about that because
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Speaker 2: it makes God so much more real when you realize
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Speaker 2: he deals with the sun, the moon, the stars, the
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Speaker 2: people on planet Earth as so it was nothing right.
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Speaker 1: He's spoken into existence, he can move it around at will.
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Speaker 1: And I think you're absolutely right though. As Christians, it's
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Speaker 1: a beautiful thing to study because it makes the creation
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Speaker 1: and what the Lord's power over it is really come
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Speaker 1: alive as a believer.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I've got some of your notes, and
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Speaker 2: we hardly have time to scratch the surface of these notes,
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Speaker 2: but you have gone to great detail to speak about
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Speaker 2: the Solar System, some of the elements of the Soul system,
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Speaker 2: the things that go on, the synchronicities, and the huge
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Speaker 2: energy that's expanded in the Sun, Moon and planets, and
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Speaker 2: it's really it gives you a new picture of the
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Speaker 2: Creator God. That's basically that's what it does.
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Speaker 1: And the thing that fascinated me is I was digging
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Speaker 1: into this, Gary, was that the ancient cultures were obsessed
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Speaker 1: with the Solar System. They knew the planet Mars, they
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Speaker 1: knew the other planet's names, they knew where they were outside,
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Speaker 1: they knew when they'd pass by. They were constantly obsessed
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Speaker 1: with space and the planets and the moon and moon
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Speaker 1: worship was a pagan god and pagan idolatry back then.
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Speaker 1: And you fast forward to today, and with as many
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Speaker 1: advance advancements as we have in telescopes and technology and
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Speaker 1: our knowledge of the Solar System, you would really be
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Speaker 1: hard pressed to find many people that could go outside
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Speaker 1: in their driveway and point to Mars at night. It's
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Speaker 1: just not something that we live with day in and
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Speaker 1: day out, and so it doesn't have such a strong
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Speaker 1: place in our culture today. But in ancient times, the Egyptians,
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Speaker 1: the Greeks, the Romans, the Chinese, the Asians, I mean
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Speaker 1: all over Earth, the Aztec tribes in South America, they
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Speaker 1: were obsessed with the solar system, the planet Mars. Specifically,
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Speaker 1: Cairo's ancient name had to do with Mars, the god
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Speaker 1: of war. In Egypt. It's where we get our word
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Speaker 1: martial arts for fighting and warfare. It's all rooted in
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Speaker 1: they viewed Mars as a god of war. And that
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Speaker 1: should disturb us a little bit as to why, you know,
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Speaker 1: just to think through what was it about Mars that
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Speaker 1: these people were obsessed with to the point that they
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Speaker 1: worshiped it and it always followed with some type of
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Speaker 1: warfare on Earth.
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Speaker 2: I'm reading your notes and I just wish we had
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Speaker 2: time to share all the notes, your preaching notes with
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Speaker 2: our audience today. But too much information. I'm sitting here
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Speaker 2: waiting for you to condense this down into a nice
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Speaker 2: understandable message, because what you've done here is take the
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Speaker 2: Book of Joshua and it sort of extrapolated to the
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Speaker 2: present day. And in the process, I think what you
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Speaker 2: really are doing is giving a picture, a feeling for
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Speaker 2: what God has created and what He's going to create.
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Speaker 2: And you go back to Joshua and move forward to
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Speaker 2: Revelation and you discover you're talking about two sides of
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Speaker 2: the same picture.
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Speaker 1: That's right. And when you think about this solar system,
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Speaker 1: you know, we don't think about this often today, Gary,
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Speaker 1: but there there's over one hundred tons of space material
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Speaker 1: every single day that rain upon the Earth, and most
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Speaker 1: of it goes unnoticed because it burns up in our atmosphere.
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Speaker 1: But you can't look at our solar system without coming
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Speaker 1: to the conclusion of it's had a lot of catastrophes
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Speaker 1: over time. The craters on the Moon everywhere. We've talked
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Speaker 1: a lot about Mars before we came on the show.
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Speaker 1: The Earth even has some craters that one in Winslow,
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Speaker 1: Arizona that is huge that looks like a moon crater,
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Speaker 1: and they're all over the Earth. There's some in southern
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Speaker 1: Russia around Siberia and things that entire forest areas were
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Speaker 1: knocked down by meteorites. But we don't really think about
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Speaker 1: that much today in our modern day because it's not
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Speaker 1: that frequent. It doesn't happen a lot, and it does,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't get a ton of news traction. But in
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Speaker 1: Joshua's day, in ancient times, this was kind of commonplace.
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Speaker 1: They knew about the Solar system, they knew about the
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Speaker 1: catastrophe is going on. And when you think about the
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Speaker 1: inner dimensional warfare between God and Satan, it's spilled over
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Speaker 1: into our solar system and thus onto Earth. And there
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Speaker 1: are some interesting passages. And when you look at our
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Speaker 1: solar system, you have the Sun, you have Mercury Venus
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Speaker 1: Earth where the third rock from the Sun for like
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Speaker 1: that TV shows the name, and then you have Mars.
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Speaker 1: And then there's this asteroid belt you know around that's
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Speaker 1: that is in a space. And if you look at
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Speaker 1: how the planets are spaced out, it's exactly evenly spaced
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Speaker 1: of where a planet should be. And I think that's
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Speaker 1: really interesting because when you go there are three times
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Speaker 1: in the Bible that God talks about a Rayhab that
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Speaker 1: he destroyed, and this is not the woman Rahab that
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Speaker 1: was saved in Joshua in Jericho, which is another very
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Speaker 1: interesting supernatural event, because here you have a gentile woman
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Speaker 1: who knew of the testimony of the God of Abraham
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Speaker 1: saving his people from Egypt in what happened in the
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Speaker 1: Red Sea. She was saved by faith and believed upon
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Speaker 1: the Lord of Heaven and Earth. And her home was
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Speaker 1: on the wall of Jericho, which was the most dangerous
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Speaker 1: place to be in all of Jericho, because by a
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Speaker 1: sound a sound wave, the walls fell down and so
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Speaker 1: but her house was intact despite being on the wall.
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Speaker 1: And that's a supernatural event that we find in the Bible.
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Speaker 2: I think the word Rahab has a fundamental meaning of
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Speaker 2: stormy or angry or unsettled, something that you don't want
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Speaker 2: to mix it up with.
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Speaker 1: Right, But she ends up in the genealogy of Jesus
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Speaker 1: Christ as a gentile woman. And so when you get
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Speaker 1: to these three verses in the Bible that speak of
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Speaker 1: Rahab that God destroyed, let me just read these real quick.
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Speaker 1: It's Psalm's eighty seven, verse four, I will make mention
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Speaker 1: of Rahab and Babylon. So God is putting Rahab and
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Speaker 1: Babylon in the same camp. Here to them that know me,
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Speaker 1: behold Felistia entire with Ethiopia. This man was born there. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So Rehab is a place according to Psalm's eighty seven
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Speaker 1: to four. In Psalms eighty nine, verse ten, thou hast
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Speaker 1: broken Rahab in pieces as one that is slain. Thou
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Speaker 1: hast scattered thine enemies with thy strong arms. So there's
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Speaker 1: Rehab again being broken in pieces. That's not obviously the
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Speaker 1: woman in Jericho. Then there's Isaiah fifty one, verse nine,
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Speaker 1: and this is the kicker Isaiah fifty verse nine. Awake, awake,
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Speaker 1: put on strength, O arm of the Lord. Most places
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Speaker 1: in the Bible, the arm of the Lord is speaking
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Speaker 1: of Jesus awake as in the ancient days, in the
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Speaker 1: generations of old art, Thou not it that hath cut
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Speaker 1: Rahab and wounded the dragon? And so in Isaiah fifty one,
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Speaker 1: verse nine, God is saying, aren't you, o arm of
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Speaker 1: the Lord, the one that cut Rahab into pieces, and
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Speaker 1: by doing so you wounded the dragon. Now we know
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Speaker 1: that dragon is Satan everywhere in the Bible.
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Speaker 2: Oh sure, yeah.
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Speaker 1: And we know that there are a lot of verses
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Speaker 1: and things that could point to different planets having some
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Speaker 1: form of inhabitants right of ancient times. Perhaps Satan may
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Speaker 1: have had dominion over something.
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Speaker 2: Well of the fall of Satan in Isaiaheremiah.
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Speaker 1: Ezekiel twenty eight, Isaiah fourteen, and so here in Isaiah
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Speaker 1: fifty one to nine, Jesus cut whatever rayhab is, cut
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Speaker 1: it in pieces, and at the same time wounded the dragon.
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Speaker 1: And so it's an interesting speculation. But Rahab in Hebrew,
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Speaker 1: that specific word means the root of arrogance in Hebrew,
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Speaker 1: and we know the root of arrogance is the dragon. Right,
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Speaker 1: pride was he was the one that introduced pride into existing.
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Speaker 2: Is taking the Solar system and in this teaching, which
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Speaker 2: is great by the way that you're taking the Solar
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Speaker 2: system and showing how it displays biblical truths. In other words, yes,
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Speaker 2: there is some kind of synchronicity between what happened to
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Speaker 2: the Sun, Moon or planets and what has happened to
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Speaker 2: the interlopers of history, the usurpers, the usurpers, the interlopers.
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Speaker 1: I like that. Yes, So if the Lord, if Rahab,
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Speaker 1: really was this planet that's that's next to Mars, here
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Speaker 1: between Mars and Jupiter, that would explain the asteroid belt
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Speaker 1: that's in perfect place in orbit around in our solar system.
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Speaker 1: That could be and we could be wrong. I could
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Speaker 1: be wrong here, but I think it's just need to
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Speaker 1: speculate that that could be Rahab from the Bible, that
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Speaker 1: God cut into pieces and went to war against Satan
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Speaker 1: in the Heavenlyes and wounded the dragon, and that war
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Speaker 1: spilled over in Joshua ten in these verses that we've
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Speaker 1: just read, and the Lord using it to show not
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Speaker 1: only his strength but his support of his people while
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Speaker 1: going to fight for them and supernaturally using the solar
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Speaker 1: system to his and their advantage. And I think that's
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Speaker 1: so fascinating, Gary, because there's so much about our solar
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Speaker 1: system that we could spend a lifetime studying in telescopes
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Speaker 1: and not really understand the depth of it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I'd like to interject just a point for your comment,
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Speaker 2: and that is that if you read about our moon
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Speaker 2: and the astronauts they went up there and got samples
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Speaker 2: and orbit of the Moon took pictures. We now have
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Speaker 2: orbiters that take pictures of Mars, and we have Mars
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Speaker 2: explorers that creep around on the surface of Mars take samples,
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Speaker 2: and universally they discover that at some point in the
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Speaker 2: past there was something pretty cataclysmic that happened both on
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Speaker 2: our moon and on Mars. And the Bible takes us there, really.
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Speaker 1: It really does. And again back to kind of the
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Speaker 1: point where talking earlier, what was it about ancient cultures
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Speaker 1: that they were obsessed with Mars? And we talked, we
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Speaker 1: talked some before coming on the set, but we were
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Speaker 1: talking about Jonathan Swift and his his novel for Glover's
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Speaker 1: Travels and it was his second novel, at Laputa or
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Speaker 1: Lapusha Lily pusha the lily putins, I think is how
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Speaker 1: you say it. But he wrote that novel in seventeen
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Speaker 1: twenty six and in it, in Goliver's Travels, he encounters
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Speaker 1: the astronomers that are bragging that they know about the
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Speaker 1: two moons of Mars, and this was in seventeen twenty six. Well,
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Speaker 1: the two moons of Mars were not discovered until one
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty one years later.
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Speaker 2: They're a little tiny moon.
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Speaker 1: They're tiny, yeah, but they weren't discovered in modern science
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Speaker 1: for another one hundred and fifty one years by Jaceive
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Speaker 1: Hall at the Naval Observatory with a telescope. The telescopes
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Speaker 1: in Jonathan Swift' day were not strong enough to see
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Speaker 1: the two moons of Mars because the two moons of
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Speaker 1: Mars they have very unique characteristics. They have a very
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Speaker 1: very low albedo or reflectivity of only three percent, so
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Speaker 1: they're very hard to see. There's some of the darkest
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Speaker 1: objects in the solar system and one of them's one
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Speaker 1: of them's rotation is actually backwards. And Jonathan Swift wrote
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Speaker 1: about it correctly in the novel. So where did that
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Speaker 1: information come from?
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Speaker 2: Down through the Greek philosophy, that's right?
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Speaker 1: And where did they get it? They somehow had eyewitness
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Speaker 1: accounts of these two moons of Mars.
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Speaker 2: Now, the Greeks, I must say, worship false gods, right,
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Speaker 2: and they believe their gods were real and had powers.
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Speaker 2: And may I just just that perhaps they spoke with
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Speaker 2: their false gods in ways that we can't even imagine,
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Speaker 2: and maybe that's the way they got the information very well.
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Speaker 1: Could be absolutely a lot of there's always this exchange
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Speaker 1: of knowledge right with and you see that in Satanic
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Speaker 1: cults a lot that the deeper you go, the more
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Speaker 1: knowledge they will release to you.
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Speaker 2: The Greeks were Satanic, yes, let's be sure about that.
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Speaker 1: Yes, a lot of those ancient cultures were the Romans,
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Speaker 1: the Greeks, the Egyptians. They all worshiped false gods, and
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Speaker 1: they all made some accord to get more knowledge in
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Speaker 1: as a result. A lot of people think that about
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Speaker 1: the Nephelum and the flood of Noah, right, there was
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Speaker 1: an exchange going on of some kind. But you're right,
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Speaker 1: it very well could be these false entities. We're talking
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Speaker 1: to these people and sharing this information with them.
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Speaker 2: And so and by the way, I think we've mentioned
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Speaker 2: it earlier, but it's worth mentioned again. The names of
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Speaker 2: the two moons are Dmos and Phobos. Phobos is fear,
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Speaker 2: Demos is terror or upheaval or revolution. So Mars has
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Speaker 2: a really bad reputation.
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Speaker 1: Terror and revolt, and.
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Speaker 2: It's called the planet fear war and.
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Speaker 1: The god of war war. And that to me, that
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Speaker 1: sounds a lot like Satan's rebellion against the Lord, you know,
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Speaker 1: fear and revolt.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, our conversation is validated by where
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Speaker 2: we started. A day in Joshua. Joshua spoke to the
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Speaker 2: Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the
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Speaker 2: Amorites the hand of God was moved, and the Solar
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Speaker 2: system was involved in this.
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Speaker 1: And the other thing about the Solar system that I
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Speaker 1: think is really fascinating, Gary, the more we look into it, really,
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Speaker 1: the more we realize we don't know about it. You know,
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Speaker 1: you think about Saturn for example. I mean, Saturn is
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Speaker 1: a giant planet, but it has a specific gravity of
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Speaker 1: point seven, so if it was here on Earth, it
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Speaker 1: would float in the ocean. And you think about the
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Speaker 1: planets as they line up. They all have these the
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Speaker 1: angular velocity and the spin rate, and time is different
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Speaker 1: on every planet you have. Jupiter goes around and a
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Speaker 1: day is ten hours, not twenty four, and so there's
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Speaker 1: so much we could learn. But as Psalms declares, the
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Speaker 1: heavens declare the glory of the Lord, and the firmament
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Speaker 1: showeth his handywork night in and night season and a season.
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Speaker 1: And so the more you look at it and the
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Speaker 1: more you study it, especially when you're studying Joshua and
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Speaker 1: other books of the Bible, the more it reveals the
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Speaker 1: glory of our creator. And that's really a very exciting topic.
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Speaker 2: And you know, as you read the Bible, the glory
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Speaker 2: of our creator is sadly offset by the of Satan,
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Speaker 2: and that involves the planets and men of ancient days,
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Speaker 2: men who did not believe in the God of Abraham.
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Speaker 2: Isaac and Jacob wrote their histories, and they included a
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Speaker 2: lot about the planets, and they included a lot about
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Speaker 2: what they called the gods, and the gods of course
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Speaker 2: circulated among the planets, and even laid claim to the planets,
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Speaker 2: you know, the god of Mars and Jupiter, and saying
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Speaker 2: they had this whole narrative, a thousand books about their
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Speaker 2: gods and the power of their gods relative to the Sun,
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Speaker 2: moon and stars. And may I say, we have one book,
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Speaker 2: it's called the Holy Bible, and it says a lot
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Speaker 2: more about sun, moon and stars than all the Greek
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Speaker 2: philosophies combined.
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Speaker 1: Amen. And when you think about the Sun and the
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Speaker 1: moon stae still in Joshua ten, you know, how would
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Speaker 1: the Lord do that? With what we know about the
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Speaker 1: solar system today? And you have the Earth tilted on
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Speaker 1: its axis and it's rotating at a high speed while
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Speaker 1: spinning around the Sun. The Sun, according to Psalms, moves
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Speaker 1: from one end of our solar system to the other ones.
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Speaker 1: It moves circuit to circuit you know the Lord describes,
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Speaker 1: and it's extremely slow. I think scientists have determined it
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Speaker 1: would take somewhere around twenty four thousand years for to
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Speaker 1: make one half of that loop. So it's extremely slow.
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Speaker 1: We'll never notice it in our lifetime. But how did
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Speaker 1: God make the Sun stand still in the sky. Well,
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Speaker 1: he could have changed the procession of the Earth. He
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Speaker 1: could have tilted in a different way, could have changed
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Speaker 1: the spin or the orbit around the Sun that it
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Speaker 1: took more of an oblong shape instead of this shape,
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Speaker 1: and so that the Sun stayed in the same spot
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Speaker 1: in the sky, you know, during that time. We obviously
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Speaker 1: don't know how he did it, but there's lots of
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Speaker 1: ways God could have done it. He obviously didn't just
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Speaker 1: grab the Earth and hold it still. There would be
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Speaker 1: all kinds of things messed up, earthquakes and tectonic plates
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Speaker 1: moving around.
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Speaker 2: And well, I'd like a reaction to something that I'm
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Speaker 2: thinking about as you're talking the crucifixion of our Lord
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Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. Something happened to the Sun, and not for
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Speaker 2: a short time, but for rather long long period. I
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Speaker 2: would say. It doesn't say in the Bible how many hours,
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Speaker 2: but maybe six hours. The sun was darkened, and it
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Speaker 2: became dark and stayed dark for a while. How's that happen?
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Speaker 1: Where'd it go? It's not like the Lord just made
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Speaker 1: it disappear and then reappear, and things like that happened
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Speaker 1: with the sun all over the Bible. I mean, you
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Speaker 1: think about in Hezekiah's day when Isaiah came to him
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Speaker 1: and said, you're going to die, and he begged for
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Speaker 1: fifteen more years. And as proof, remember, the Lord gave
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Speaker 1: him the choice, you can make the sun dial.
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Speaker 2: Move forward or backwards?
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Speaker 1: Right and Isaiah in Hezekiah in Isaiah says something very interesting.
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Speaker 1: He says, it's a light thing for it to move forward,
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Speaker 1: so let the Lord move it backward ten degrees. What
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Speaker 1: Hezekiah was saying right there, Gary, is I see God
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Speaker 1: move time forward all the time with the sun. So
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Speaker 1: what was We don't have all of those things chronicled
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Speaker 1: in our Bible right now right now. But Hezekiah, in
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Speaker 1: his mind, he was so used to seeing that that
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Speaker 1: that meant nothing to him. So his challenge to God was, Okay,
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Speaker 1: show me this will really happen by moving time backwards.
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Speaker 1: And the Lord did it, and to prove to him,
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Speaker 1: he would have fifteen more years. Now, that is really
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Speaker 1: fascinating that he moved the Sun that way and move
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Speaker 1: the sun dial back ten degrees. So to your point,
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Speaker 1: how do those things happen? It's supernatural, no idea.
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Speaker 2: If I were up there and had the power to
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Speaker 2: sort of remove the Sun back or something, I would
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Speaker 2: be terribly afraid that I would ruin a whole bunch
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Speaker 2: of other things if I changed the Earth's sun ratio.
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Speaker 2: Isn't that going to destroy the whole Solar system? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Imagine that's right because our Earth, our planet is uniquely
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Speaker 1: placed in the Solar system. If it was any closer
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Speaker 1: to the Sun, life would be non existence because we
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Speaker 1: would suffer a heat death. If it was any further
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Speaker 1: from the Sun, no life could exist because every river
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Speaker 1: on Earth would freeze. And it's perfectly situated in that
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Speaker 1: distance so that humans can exist on Earth. And so
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Speaker 1: to your point, God to take all of that into
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Speaker 1: account and infinitely more questions than we could possibly know
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Speaker 1: to make those slight little tweaks in his creation along
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Speaker 1: the way, And that's exciting to think about it. It
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Speaker 1: is that for our God, that's nothing.
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Speaker 2: And as you're talking, and I have to confess this
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Speaker 2: about every three or four minutes I think about today's Israel.
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Speaker 2: God still has the same relationship with today's Israel as
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Speaker 2: he has always had. And if God can move the
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Speaker 2: sun for Israel back in the days of Joshua, he
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Speaker 2: can move the sun for Israel today or anything else.
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Speaker 2: We have no idea what he's capable of. We only
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Speaker 2: know that he has a certain outcome designated for the
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Speaker 2: twelve tribes. And people are marching in the streets and
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Speaker 2: college campuses, and they hate the Jews, and it's all
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Speaker 2: happened just like it did before World War Two. Here
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Speaker 2: we go again. They forget who wants Israel to survive
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Speaker 2: and thrive and rebuild a temple and enjoy a relationship
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Speaker 2: with God, with the holy priesthood, which by the way,
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Speaker 2: is forecast in the Bible. God wants that for his people,
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Speaker 2: And all we have to do is look at verses
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Speaker 2: from the Bible in various places that show that He
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Speaker 2: stops at nothing to make things come out according to
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Speaker 2: his prophecy.
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Speaker 1: That's right, and he even ties Israel's existence to the
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Speaker 1: Son's existence. In the Bible. Memory says if the sun
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Speaker 1: all forsake Israel, when the Sun ceases to exist, wow,
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Speaker 1: And which we know that's neither one of those are
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Speaker 1: going to happen until Jesus sets up his throne in
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Speaker 1: the New Heaven and Near Earth. Member he says, then
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Speaker 1: there's no more sun at that point at the very
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Speaker 1: end of Revelation. But his commitment to Israel is tied
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Speaker 1: to the solar system in some way in that verse.
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Speaker 1: And that's really interesting to think about. And when you
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Speaker 1: look at us as the Church gary today, that supernatural
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Speaker 1: warfare that you and I find ourselves in day in
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Speaker 1: and day out, because our battle is not against flesh
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Speaker 1: and blood, but against these ranks of angels in the
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Speaker 1: New Testament, and the Lord fights for us as his
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Speaker 1: people and the Church just as supernatural today as he
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Speaker 1: has since Genesis. And I think that is really something
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Speaker 1: that we as Christians need to better understand the reality
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Speaker 1: of the warfare that we find ourselves in. It's all
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Speaker 1: around us. When you look at what the world economic
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Speaker 1: form is trying to do, when you look at the
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Speaker 1: the Rise of the Beasts system that the spirit of
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Speaker 1: Antichrist is trying to push into the earth, and you
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Speaker 1: think about the onset of quantum computing and Ai and
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be talking about that at the Norman conference.
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Speaker 1: But when you think about those things, it is a
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Speaker 1: supernatural warfare that is burgeoning on the earth. And Jesus
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Speaker 1: said something really fascinating about that in Matthew sixteen, verse eighteen.
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Speaker 1: And this is what he said. He said, and I
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Speaker 1: say also to the thou art Peter, and upon this rock.
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Speaker 1: So Jesus is pointing to himself, upon this rock. He's
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Speaker 1: the rock. All through the Bible, I will build my church.
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Speaker 1: Now that is the first place that the Lord prophesied
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Speaker 1: his church. It wasn't in existence yet, but look what
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Speaker 1: he says, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail
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Speaker 1: against it. Meaning I'm going to build my church, and
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Speaker 1: I'm prophesying in Matthew sixteen, verse eighteen that my church
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Speaker 1: will do battle, spiritual battle and warfare with the gates
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Speaker 1: of Hell. And that's what we are seeing today. We're
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Speaker 1: seeing that warfare between the Church and the Spirit and
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Speaker 1: our Lord Jesus and the gates of Hell trying to
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Speaker 1: push the anti Christ and the beast system into the earth.
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Speaker 1: And that supernatural warfare that is going on right now.
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Speaker 1: We know after the rapture of the Church will transition
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Speaker 1: to a very real, very kinetic warfare on planet Earth
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Speaker 1: with the seals, the trumpets, the bulls, And in that
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Speaker 1: warfare again, the Lord is going to once again do
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Speaker 1: battle in the Solar system, just like we were studying
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Speaker 1: in Joshua. And when you look at these verses, Gary,
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Speaker 1: and not to jump around on you too much here,
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Speaker 1: but in Isaiah twenty four, verse one, behold, the Lord
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Speaker 1: maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth
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Speaker 1: it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof. So
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Speaker 1: we know in the tribulation the Lord's going to turn
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Speaker 1: the Earth upside down at some point. That is supernatural.
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Speaker 1: Is now look at this in Isaiah twenty four, verse nineteen.
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Speaker 1: The Earth is utterly broken down, The Earth is clean dissolved,
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Speaker 1: The Earth is moved exceedingly. So the Lord's going to
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Speaker 1: move the Earth during that time. That's more than just
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Speaker 1: a small earthquake somewhere. And when you go to the
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Speaker 1: next verse in verse twenty, the Lord says the earth
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Speaker 1: in that time, when he moves the Earth exceedingly, the
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Speaker 1: Earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard and
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Speaker 1: shall be removed like a cottage, and the transgression thereof
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Speaker 1: shall be heavy upon it, and it shall fall and
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Speaker 1: not rise again. And so the exciting thing about this
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Speaker 1: is that you and I are not appointed to that time.
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Speaker 1: But it's going to what Joshua lived through, what he saw,
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Speaker 1: the supernatural warfare of the Lord intervening and defending his
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Speaker 1: people Israel on planet Earth is very much going to
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Speaker 1: happen again in the tribulation.
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Speaker 2: When you begin to think of in these terms, it's breathtaking.
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Speaker 2: I was reading the other day about Antarctica. Scientists are
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Speaker 2: saying that perhaps at one time it was a temperate continent.
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Speaker 2: That is that they find a buried greenery there at
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Speaker 2: Christs and so forth, suggesting that it wasn't always at
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Speaker 2: what we call the bottom of the earth. The Earth
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Speaker 2: may have tumbled, and the Bible seems to corroborate that.
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Speaker 2: But I was as you were talking. I had to
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Speaker 2: turn to Psalm nineteen. The heavens declare the glory of God,
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Speaker 2: and the firmament showeth his handiwork. Nothing could be more true.
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Speaker 2: That's what you're talking about. And day and today uttereth
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Speaker 2: speech night unto night showeth knowledge there's no speech, no
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Speaker 2: language where their voice is not heard. Their line has
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Speaker 2: gone out through all the earth, and the words to
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Speaker 2: the end of the world in them hath He set
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Speaker 2: a tabernacle for the sun. And the grandeur of the
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Speaker 2: Creator God is just condensed into a very few words here.
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Speaker 2: But they placed upon the top of the conversation we've
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Speaker 2: just been having is breathtaking.
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Speaker 1: You mentioned Antarctica, and let's just think about this as
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Speaker 1: we close the Flood of Noah. You know, there's all
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Speaker 1: that evidence that there is a universal temperature on Earth
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Speaker 1: before the flood, like you mentioned, any the greenery and Antarctica.
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Speaker 1: For example, they have found wooly mammoths with palm leaves,
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Speaker 1: you know, in their mouths and fossilized and well those
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Speaker 1: don't exist in ice capped regions, so where they get that?
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Speaker 1: And if you just step back and think about if
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Speaker 1: the Lord and this is speculation some but it would
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Speaker 1: make sense the Lord during the floot of Noah could
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Speaker 1: have very simply tilted the Earth off its axis up
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Speaker 1: and down. If it was up and down, we would
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Speaker 1: have a universal temperature. But it's now tilted, which is
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Speaker 1: why we have a north and south pole on the
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Speaker 1: ice caps because of their deflection from the Sun. And
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Speaker 1: so if it's tilted like that, it would also explain
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Speaker 1: how the oceans literally broke forth and covered the land
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Speaker 1: all the way up to the mountaintops. I mean, imagine
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Speaker 1: how much the oceans would rock to and fro all
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Speaker 1: over the Earth just by tilting it off its axis.
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Speaker 1: Now we know from what we just read in Isaiah
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Speaker 1: twenty four to twenty that the Earth in the Tribulation
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Speaker 1: will be removed out of her place. So the Lord
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Speaker 1: is going to move it out of orbit again in
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Speaker 1: the Tribulation at some point, which and this is complete speculation,
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Speaker 1: but it could explain why during the Tribulation no man
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Speaker 1: knows the day nor the hour. They don't know time.
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Speaker 1: And Daniel seven, the Antichrist seeks to change times and
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Speaker 1: laws and seasons. He's trying to implement some kind of
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Speaker 1: time and calendar system in the tribulation, because imagine if
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Speaker 1: the Earth was out of its orbit, wobbling around the
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Speaker 1: Solar system without any synchronicity, any timing, you'd have the
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Speaker 1: Sun up for maybe three days straight and they'd disappear
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Speaker 1: for a week, or maybe it'd be up for thirty
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Speaker 1: minutes and black for six hours, and the moon would
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Speaker 1: show up for a little bit of time and then
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Speaker 1: disappear again. And how would you track time if the
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Speaker 1: earth is out of her place?
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Speaker 2: You know, as a phrase came into my mind as
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Speaker 2: you were talking. The phrase is the great and terrible
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Speaker 2: day of the Lord. It's called the Day of the Lord.
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Speaker 2: It's a finite length of time, apparently. And within that
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Speaker 2: length of time things happen that don't ordinarily happen, and
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Speaker 2: I think you were just talking about them. That's right.
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Speaker 1: There's so much going on in the Tribulation that is
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Speaker 1: supernatural that involves our physical reality and the two colliding,
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Speaker 1: all for the purpose of the Lord saving his people
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Speaker 1: Israel right and setting up the kingdom. And until that time,
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Speaker 1: we're admonished by Jesus to occupy. Occupy that's a military term,
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Speaker 1: to occupy, it is, and to hold the ground and
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Speaker 1: hold the standard and live for Jesus until the day
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Speaker 1: he calls us home in the Rapture, which again no
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Speaker 1: man knows that that day nor hour. But I think
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Speaker 1: it's also interesting that in the Tribulation Jesus talks about
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Speaker 1: no man knowing the day or the time.
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Speaker 2: So I take it in conclusion that you actually believe
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Speaker 2: all of those unbelievable things that happened back in the
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Speaker 2: Book of Joshua and are chronicled for our prophet from
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Speaker 2: the Word of God. Belief is a very interesting idea.
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Speaker 2: Do you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, for example,
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Speaker 2: or do you believe in the Word of God and
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Speaker 2: the absolute dependability of the Word of God from cover
45:48
Speaker 2: to cover? And Okay, that's a good start, But then
45:52
Speaker 2: we have all the things we've been talking about in
45:54
Speaker 2: the last few minutes. What do you really believe? Will
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Speaker 2: you go so far as to believe that God can
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Speaker 2: actually reregulate things that we find stable, things like gravity
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Speaker 2: and the length of a day and the flow of
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Speaker 2: the atmosphere and the waters of the world. He controls everything,
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Speaker 2: and I think we kind of just try to blow
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Speaker 2: that off. I don't even want to think about it.
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Speaker 2: That bugs me, But actually I enjoy thinking about it
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Speaker 2: because it reminds me just how great God is.
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Speaker 1: I do too, And that's the fact that we people
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Speaker 1: like us scary and believe that the Lord will intervene
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Speaker 1: in the affairs of man. Again. Yeah, and the people
46:42
Speaker 1: that don't believe that the ones that scoff at the rapture,
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Speaker 1: for example, who are prophesied in second Peter three, Right,
46:50
Speaker 1: where is the promise of his coming? For since the
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Speaker 1: fathers fell asleep, all things remain the same. And in
46:57
Speaker 1: other words, everything you just said gravity the same, time's
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Speaker 1: the same. Our atmosphere is the same. The sun comes
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Speaker 1: up every morning, it sets every evening. I can watch
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Speaker 1: the moon and follow it. Everything's the same. You know, Gary,
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Speaker 1: what are you talking about? The Lord's going to intervene
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Speaker 1: in the affairs of man, and which is something called
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Speaker 1: the rapture of the Church, and the catching away of
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Speaker 1: his people and defending Israel then on planet Earth, and
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Speaker 1: having signs in the sun and the moon and the
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Speaker 1: star system, and those are things that are unbelievable to
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Speaker 1: those people, right, which is why they deny it.
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Speaker 2: In fact, the phrase in the Bible man's hearts failing
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Speaker 2: them for fear is perfectly explainable. It is absolutely Once
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Speaker 2: things like that begin to happen, who do you turn
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Speaker 2: to if you're not a Christian, if you're not in
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Speaker 2: the family of God, Exactly, you're in.
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Speaker 1: Trouble exactly, which is why I think one of the
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Speaker 1: greatest revivals in history of man will be during the
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Speaker 1: tribulation of many people coming to the Lord, and we
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Speaker 1: see those as the fifth seal right in Revelation, the
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Speaker 1: martyrs under the altar. And God doesn't give us a
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Speaker 1: number of how many people will come to know him
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Speaker 1: during that time, but it's important that we recognize now's
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Speaker 1: the time for salvation and to get into the Lord
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Speaker 1: Jesus before that time.
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Speaker 2: Well, his name is Matt Freeman and he is a
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Speaker 2: pastor at New City Church. You need to hear him,
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Speaker 2: and he talks about things that a lot of people
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Speaker 2: don't get into that much. I've enjoyed the conversation.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, Gary, it's been great. Again soon