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The AI Revolution: Are We Ready for What's Next? | Episode 3 · It's Just Not That Black and White

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  SPEAKER_00: So the conversation is AI is going to be replacing countless jobs.
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  SPEAKER_00: Question I have for you is: can AI replace Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Salerno?
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  SPEAKER_02: What defines the healthcare professional is empathy, bedside manner, hand on the shoulder, listening, eye-to-eye contact.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you're never going to get that from AI.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I use AI for things that can assist me, but it won't replace God.
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  SPEAKER_00: Can't die on the cross for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hello, I'm Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Salerno.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm Reverend Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Dana Owens, and welcome back to another episode of It's Just Not That Black and White.
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  SPEAKER_00: Before we jump into today's conversation, we just want to take a moment and thank everyone who's been listening, watching, and supporting the show.
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  SPEAKER_00: Every subscription, comment, and share helps us to grow this community.
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  SPEAKER_00: So thanks again for your support.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let's jump into today's conversation, Doc.
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  SPEAKER_02: You got so much energy.
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  SPEAKER_02: My God.
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  SPEAKER_02: AI.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's why.
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  SPEAKER_02: Are you real or are you artificial right now, Rev?
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  SPEAKER_00: Listen, the funny thing is when AI, when listen, I grew up in an era when AI meant something else.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was Alan Iverson.
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  SPEAKER_00: Are you familiar with Alan Iverson?
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  SPEAKER_00: He was the answer.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was short, too.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was.
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  SPEAKER_00: Great point guard.
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  SPEAKER_00: A lot of tattoos.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: A lot of talent.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And now there's a generation that doesn't even know the real AI.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: They know this AI.
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  SPEAKER_02: When you and I grew up, we didn't even have internet.
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  SPEAKER_02: Not at all.
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  SPEAKER_02: There were no computers.
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  SPEAKER_02: No.
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  SPEAKER_02: When I actually showed up freshman year in college, my mom bought me a typewriter.
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  SPEAKER_02: I had to take typing.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I had to take that white out to put in if I made a mistake.
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  SPEAKER_02: The corrections.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And there were no cell phones.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember the uh the floppy disk?
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  SPEAKER_02: You remember those?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Computers started coming out when I was a senior.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: In in college.
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  SPEAKER_02: And there's DOS.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Dot matrix and all these little, like kind of, and then the first Apple computer was like this little.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I remember.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, like, we are definitely Stone Age, meet the Flintstones.
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  SPEAKER_02: Have you adapted to AI?
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  SPEAKER_02: I have probably adapted a little bit better than um I would have suspected.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: You use it in medicine?
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  SPEAKER_02: I use it in medicine.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's a valuable tool, um, but I don't want to lean on it too much because then I think it's like, you know, if you the old saying, if you don't use it, you lose it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'm afraid that we're starting to like lean on it too much to kind of, you know, write the narrative.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the conversation is AI is going to be replacing countless jobs.
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  SPEAKER_00: Question I have for you is can AI replace Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Salerno?
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, at the end of the day, I don't know if AI can get a medical license.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if AI can write a prescription.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, well, maybe it could write a prescription, but I don't know if it could get a medical license.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Can you sue AI?
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  SPEAKER_02: What's gonna happen with all the malpractice attorneys?
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  SPEAKER_00: You could sue the company, I guess.
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  SPEAKER_00: How does that work?
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  SPEAKER_00: How does how could AI so so as a doctor, you see a patient, you prescribe a medication, correct?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Could AI do that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like could AI take the information from the patient and offer a prescription?
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  SPEAKER_02: So what AI would do is AI would take the information you enter, it would provide you what we call a differential diagnosis, so a list of possible things that it could be.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then the probability of it, you know.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think AI has in certain areas of medicine more value and ROI than other areas, like, for example, radiology.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, because AI, I mean, can I think really read an MRI quite well, a CAT scan quite well.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um better than humans?
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  SPEAKER_02: I think better than humans, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think it's a precise science.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not so black and white, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Reading that MRI, um, pathology, maybe, dermatology, take a picture.
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  SPEAKER_02: What is this?
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  SPEAKER_02: It could it could tell that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um I don't think it would do well in psychiatry.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, medicine is an art, but it's you know, a science and an art.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a balance of the two, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, my dad used to say 90% of the patients get better regardless of what you do.
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  SPEAKER_02: Five percent of the time you help them, and five percent of the time you kill them.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so, you know, maybe that's changed a little bit the ratios 50 years later, you know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Obviously.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think when my dad came out, he actually told me um back in the 40s and 50s they thought they'd find a cure for cancer in five years.
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  SPEAKER_00: They thought that.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's what they thought, and that's what they said.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's how almost bold and brain brash or brain and that they were back then.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Braven.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: AI.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: Huh.
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  SPEAKER_00: So so 20 years from now, would do you see a practice like yours still being relevant, or you think based upon the direction of healthcare, will they replace doctors with AI cheaper?
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, I think right now we're looking at a medical shortage.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't think people are right now standing in line to be a physician.
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  SPEAKER_02: Really?
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, I think um, as you saw recently, New Jersey, because of the shortage.
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  SPEAKER_02: And and again, you know, I love nurse practitioners.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and our governor, you know, wrote a law basically allowing nurse practitioners after I think about five years of supervision, they can become completely independent.
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  SPEAKER_02: And again, I love nurse practitioners.
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  SPEAKER_02: I I would fight a I'd rather go to war with an army of nurse practitioners than an army of physicians.
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  SPEAKER_02: But um, you know, I I think right now AI is.
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  SPEAKER_02: Can I see down the road more changes happening where maybe a nurse will be given the ability with AI to, you know, treat, especially in air rural areas and maybe remote areas?
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  SPEAKER_02: Probably, yeah, I do.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, again, because of a supply and demand issue.
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  SPEAKER_02: And because I I just I think people rather, you know, do other things than medical school.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's it's four years plus residency, right?
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_02: Residency could be anywhere from three years to over 10 years.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a lot of money,$400,000 on average to graduate medical school.
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  SPEAKER_02: For medical school.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: $400,000.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's a mortgage, and that's at 8%, you know, plus plus plus, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So if medicine is dynamic, it's constantly changing, it's evolving.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you have a practice where you have hired, how many doctors do you have on your staff?
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  SPEAKER_02: I think right now, between nurse practitioners and physicians, somewhere between 30 and 40.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's say 10 years from now, AI, there's huge improvements in AI.
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  SPEAKER_02: Huge improvements now in AI.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just in the last five, six months, AI has really, you know, jumped.
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  SPEAKER_00: Does it get to the point where, uh, as someone who has these doctors and nurse practitioners working for them, if it's more cost effective to utilize AI?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, would you lean towards that, or you're you're you come from the background where I need a person in that room?
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  SPEAKER_00: How does that work?
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  SPEAKER_00: What does that look like?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, what would you want?
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, I I want a doctor, I want you, but you pass me on to someone else, but that's another conversation where it has never passed me on to anyone else.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was just like missing that day.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, but you know what?
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  SPEAKER_02: I think it's gonna be the public that decide.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, and I think for some people, um, you know, they'll be happy to have an animated, kind of programmed um experience.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think for other cultures, we are melting pot.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think for other cultures, you know what, you're gonna still want empathy.
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  SPEAKER_02: But, you know, I remember like 20 years ago I read an article about where and why healthcare is going wrong.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they use two words to describe my profession apathy and inertia.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I took like such offense to that because I think what defines the healthcare professional to be a doctor, nurse practitioner, pharmacist, is empathy, bedside manner, hand on the shoulder, listening, eye-to-eye contact, and you're never gonna get that from AI.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think some people, you know, that's not important.
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  SPEAKER_02: They just want to hear an out of minute clinic, right?
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, look how many people use emergency rooms as primary care.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_02: Primary care.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you know, m like when my mom and dad did this, you know, being a primary care, being a physician in a community was no different than being a pastor in the community.
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  SPEAKER_02: You were a pillar to that community, you know.
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  SPEAKER_02: And but I just see right now, I mean, we're an uh kind of instant me, myself, and I kind of immediate gratification.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so AI will probably serve those needs for a certain segment of the population, but we are a melting pot.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's not a one-size-fits-all approach, you know?
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  SPEAKER_00: It's interesting.
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  SPEAKER_00: I I it's so it's you know, I think what I love about our conversations is how um our professions sort of mirror one another because it's sort of the same way with AI in the church.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: I think depending upon the demographic, uh I've I've got a generation that I believe that could easily adapt to like an AI model.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I'm just AI being incorporated into worship service with the songs, maybe a message.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I also have a demographic that grew up on they need a pastor in the pulpit or a preacher in the pulpit that they can see, hear, touch.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and even as clergy, AI is part of, I mean, I was at a conference a couple of years ago where um a a leader in AI showed us how sermons could be created by AI and and created in your voice.
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  SPEAKER_00: It could capture your voice, you could enter some information, and out comes a sermon sounding exactly like you.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um Well you do you use AI when you prepare for Sunday service?
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: No, only when if I have a thought that I can't, I can't get my my hands on.
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  SPEAKER_00: If I if I can't really crystallize it, I'll ask AI.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, give me an example.
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  SPEAKER_02: Give me that thought for a Sunday service that you could not crystallize.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, what did you ask AI?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, like, did you was it a verse from a scripture?
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  SPEAKER_02: Was it a social moral challenge that you asked AI?
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  SPEAKER_02: And how does scripture would define that in 21st century?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, I I mean, like, literally walk me through that service, okay, and what you asked it, how you asked it, how you framed it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then did you agree with it?
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, the sermon I preached for Father's Day um dealt with Noah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And two things about Noah is that he was a man of faith because it hadn't rained, he built the ark.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: But he also had faults.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, he was an alcoholic.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's in the Bible.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so you're dealing with a father who has faith and a father who has faults.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the the thing for me was trying to figure out how to tie both together in a way that would encourage men.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so um I took, and I mean, the majority of my sermon was done because I had my points, but I'm trying to find that that piece that ties both in.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't feel comfortable about what I was coming up with.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I ran it through AI and say, hey, listen, and I'm I chat with my chat bot like it's a person.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was taught that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I said, hey, listen, here's what I'm preaching.
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  SPEAKER_00: I already have the text, I already have my points, but I need something to tie in, like fatherhood being both one of faith and one of fault.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and it gave me, it gave me a couple of suggestions.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, it wasn't spot on, but it it pointed me in the direction that I was able then to pick back up on my own and finish the sermon.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's how I use it.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: But I know others who say, hey, I want to preach a sermon on this.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: Give me a sermon and it'll it'll crank it out.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it's it's I think the difference is with medicine, you have to know some things about medicine to have it work for you.
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  SPEAKER_00: As far as creating a message, a sermon, you can just say, hey, I want to preach about this, and I need three points, and it can it can print something out for you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, the the difference though, also, and because I have had some colleagues and we we've talked about this, but there are preaching manuals, like there are preaching books, and I might be sharing too much information about clergy, but but there are pastors who've written books on sermons, they've written sermons, and people have taken that and they've preached those sermons.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, the big fuss about AI and oh, you know, the person isn't creating.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, there have been others who've preached other sermons in the past.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, what's the difference?
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, and I know there may be some saying the difference is this inspiration by God.
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  SPEAKER_00: I get it, but I mean, we're talking about for me, it's the creative process that I go in, you know, in my time during the week, praying and meditating and reading, and God provides me with inspiration to write, but you can easily pick someone else's sermon up and preach it and go with it.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I think AI though also comes across sometimes too perfect.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_02: It is you can tell AI when you read an email, because you know, now I'm seeing emails that people will put through AI and I'm like, oh my god, you didn't write this.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this is like so bogus, you know?
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_02: I've seen it, and so um, and like you know, uh I'm I'm a man who writes a lot of emails.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um, my staff could definitely attest to that.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_02: On a Sunday, they'll get hit with 30, 40 emails.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: That's your day for emails.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, okay.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_02: I will sit down at 10 a.m.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_02: and I will be doing emails till 6 p.m.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_02: And I'll do emails at three o'clock in the morning, and I just because you know, when you get a thought and you want to go with that thought, and I get a lot of thoughts.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_02: All right, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So um thoughts on what?
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_02: Just, you know, how can we be better?
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_02: How can we be different?
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_02: What's working, what couldn't be working better, um, perception versus intention, um, you know, inspiration, because you know, again, it, you know, I get worried about my practice, and I I don't want us to get stale.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want us to get apathy or inertia.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: And so I will, you know, I will do emails a lot.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_02: And so sometimes I feel like my emails are falling on deaf ear.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_02: Oh god, here's Salerno, another email, you know.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: So Mirage just nodded.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_02: No, yeah.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_02: So I will um I tried putting some through AI and I read, and I'm like, I don't sound that's not your voice.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_02: That that is not me.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_02: That is too perfect.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_02: Like every consonant, every vowel is too perfect.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's inhuman, right?
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_02: And we're human, you know?
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's the imperfections.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I think AI, like you know, you talked about in the beginning of the segment how you know it's gonna replace jobs.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_02: It is gonna replace jobs.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's gonna replace accounting jobs when it comes to numbers, figures, digits, right?
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_02: It's one plus one is two.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_02: It's always two, right?
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_02: But Noah and and and you know, your your kind of relation to Father's Day, that's not a one plus one, you know.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, so I I think, you know, in research, probably legal research, AI can do amazing things, you know.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, when I right now kind of so I hired a a lobbyist group.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: And my idea is historically I was more reactive in the defense and the protection of what I think is a sacred thing, which is private medicine.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, that's you know, that's my gospel is medicine.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_02: And and and this is my in my you know, sanctum, if you would.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_02: So I hired a lobbyist, a group, a small little boutique group, to to give me a voice and my profession a voice with the policymakers who write the rules and write the laws, you know, when it comes to healthcare.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_02: And so I have been using AI quite a bit trying to figure out about, you know, how can healthcare no how can health care be an inalienable right?
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_02: And like how would our forefathers and our founders of the constitution look at healthcare as a right?
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_02: Because I mean, you know, when we were 13 colonies and most people live to be 50 and die, there was no healthcare.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, when there was no health care, you know.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there was no penicillin, there was no insulin, I mean, you know, and so I've used AI a lot now with my lobbyist group to kind of be able to formulate in a way because I'm not a politician, I don't know politics, I'm not political.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_02: Anyone will know that who knows me.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_02: Well, so I I use AI almost like a learning tool in that sense.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's a quick learning tool.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_02: I remember when you were in like in high school, Cliff Notes?
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, the yellow thing, you'd learn like I actually thought it was a person, you know.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, tale of two cities would go from 5,000 pages to like 20.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, and it was the greatest thing, and but the teacher would know when you use Cliff Notes.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_02: This was Cliff Notes because you, you know, well, that's what AI today is.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_02: AI is the Cliff Notes of our our generation, okay, you know?
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_02: So I think kids now use it right a lot quicker.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, they use it.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they write papers.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: They do, I mean, AI is it's it's it's everything.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: I was um Sam Altman, who I think he is the founder of the chat, one of those, open AI, I think.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: But he was saying he was talking about how AI could be formed as like a religion.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: He was saying that.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, like I could see that just that whole, like, just uh it just takes on a whole being of itself.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um reading that, uh at first it startled me because I thought it was sacrilegious, but then in um doing a little bit more research and looking at the interview, I understood what he was coming from.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: But for me, it sort of goes back to what you were saying.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um it cannot replace God.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like there is something about who we are as human beings that we have empathy, that it is the uh it is the intuition that I don't know if AI could ever replicate who we are as human beings.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and even with our imperfections, that I I believe there is something to that.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think when you were talking about, you know, emails being perfect, we live in a world where I mean we want to look perfect, but I mean we that's a whole different story.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's I mean, you know it's this whole thing about living longer, but living a perfect life, appearing to be perfect.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I I think I think that's the the downside to uh um what AI is leading us towards is because um for me.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Me, I I there is a there is a um a satisfaction I have in knowing that I won't be here forever.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there are some who think who want to be here forever, but for me, this is part of the cycle.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so I I I love the progression of life.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: I love the seasons of life.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I think AI is pushing us towards uh this whole fountain of youth.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: We talked about it um offline about you know just certain things happening in medicine that's trying to prolong life.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: But for me, uh I don't know if I want that.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think my faith informs me that I will live forever, just not in this way.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: And so um, you know, I use AI for things that can assist me, but it won't replace God.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: It can't die on a cross for me.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: That's uh oh wow, that's pretty powerful.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_02: You can't die on a cross for you.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: AI can't die on a cross for me.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: That's where I draw the line.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_02: You believe in uh afterlife?
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_02: So you think you're gonna come back?
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I believe I will live again, yes.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: I believe my soul will live again.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_02: Is that your belief or is that the Baptist church belief?
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: That's the Christian belief.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: The Christian beliefs, yeah.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: We believe that our soul is asleep when we die, and then when Christ returns, we will be awakened, and we will have a new body, we'll we'll be new.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_02: So reincarnation.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_02: This is this reincarnation.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: Reincarnation, yeah.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: Reincarnation is because you come back as something else, yeah.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, we're gonna have a new body, but no, I won't, I don't think I'll come back as a bird, um, or I don't know, or a dog, or yeah.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: No, we haven't gone that far.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's just a new body, and we'll we'll be perfect then.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: You ever get angry at God?
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: Do I get angry?
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_02: At God.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: You do.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: I just had a conversation with um, well, I was teaching a class where I said, I always say, God is big enough to handle our emotions.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know, as a kid, we were taught like you don't question God, you don't get angry with God.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: You read the Bible, there were those who had issues with God.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: They had anger issues, frustration, decisions that God made about their lives, they talked about it, prayed about it.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: God is okay with that.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: About me.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's that connection, it's the communication.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, yeah.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: You ever get angry with God?
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_02: Do I ever get angry with God?
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um actually, I don't think I ever get angry with God.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, what and I see a lot of bad things.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_02: I see people die that shouldn't die.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_02: I see people who get inflicted that shouldn't be inflicted.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's easy to ask why.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_02: When you say shouldn't die or shouldn't get inflicted, what do you mean by that?
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you know, it's the young child that gets leukemia.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's you know, the person who lived a great selfless life who gets a terrible rare cancer, you know.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and and the kind of cancer that you can't mitigate, you know, you it's just an awful death sentence, you know.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_02: So um, you know, I I I see I've seen that.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_02: I've seen that a lot, right?
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_02: Uh uh, I I don't know.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_02: I think, you know, medicine, we learned that you know, death is part of and the limitations of of medicine, and it is a diagnosis.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_02: And so, as such, you know, you have to accept uh diagnoses.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_02: And so, um, but I have never been mad at God.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, I lost both my parents, as you know.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_02: I I wasn't mad at God.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, I don't know.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_02: I think mad anger, hate is a wasteful energy.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_02: And I think, you know, obviously we know when you're when you have hate, when you're when your nerves are are are working, your cortisol levels go up, and obviously that's just a natural bad cascade happening in your body when our cortisol levels go up, right?
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: So wait, wait, wait, you're going down a whole nother path.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: So when you get angry and mad, something happens internally?
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's like that fight-in-flight kind of mechanism.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_02: So we have certain, you know, column hormones, quallum neurochemicals that will normally be released that give us that surge, right?
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you've been angry before, right?
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_02: You feel like your veins are, you know, in your head are pumping and you know, your teeth start, you know, grinding and you tense up everywhere, you know.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_02: So um, yeah, that's cortisol.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's uh not a good thing to always have.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: I just had a guy who raised my cortisol level.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: I was driving.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, there you go.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: Road rage, yeah.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: He pulled up next to me, rolled his window down.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, really?
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: He did.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I wrote my window down.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't know I was a minister.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't curse.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_02: Did you did you try to kind of give him a lesson?
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_02: I told him that God loves him.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_02: That's sometimes the best way to, you know, convey a message, you know, because they're expecting you to come at them with something, and then you kind of, you know, demonstrate in the higher road.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: My wife was a little nervous, but yeah, I got through it.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, hey, you watching any soccer?
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of the games are during the day, right?
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, I'm not in front of the TV.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_02: I uh I like Beckham.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I think he's a cool dude.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_02: You like his style or you like him as a soccer player?
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_02: I like both.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think he's like the Tom Brady of of soccer.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he is.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, you gotta like, you know, guys that are great leaders and motivators and winners and and stylish.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_02: And and stylish and and disciplined to be the best.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, you know.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_02: So why wake up if you're not gonna be disciplined and drive yourself, you know, and and not succumb to things like frustration or exhaustion or negativity, you know?
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not a big soccer fan.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's kind of boring.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: I played baseball growing up, and everyone would say that baseball is a boring sport, but oh my god, soccer is soccer is it it is it is boring to me.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: I I need action.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, I think, yeah, I they flop a lot.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's grown men, whining.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: But when they're when the great ones are incredible.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_02: Well, there's always acting and drama in sports.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, how many football players like love to take a you know, quarterback will like, oh my god, feel like they dying swan routine backflips when they barely got touched and they get a 15-yarder, you know?
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it sounds like the Steelers, right?
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_02: Well, listen, we got an we got Aaron Rogers, so I just have to hope that uh he's gotta be taking some supplements or something.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, healthy stuff, but yeah, he's serious about his body.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_02: Well, he meditates, he goes into these like holes in the ground, right?
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_02: For like 14 days and just reflects and heals and visualizes.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_02: And I actually like Aaron Rodgers.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_02: Most people I think don't, but I think he's probably one of the more cerebral football players.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_00: Seems like he's in tune with his health.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_02: And he's he's he's uh he's an intellectual, I think, too.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I mean, he has talent, but I think it'd be interesting that like have you know a glass of wine with Aaron Rodgers.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_00: How are um are intellectuals good patients?
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so an informed consumer is a great thing, and you know, our hashtag from you hip knowledge is power.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_02: But when they come in with like Web MD articles and start like asking you a million questions, I mean, yeah, like you know, like it like if I would come to you and start asking you about description and be like, well, you know, Reverend, what do you think about this?
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe it should have been looked at this way, you know.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_02: How do you know what the disciple was thinking?
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_02: Right, you know, right.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, um, sometimes that will take me down a rabbit hole that I can't get out of.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_00: How do you how do you exit?
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_00: How do you get out of that room?
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_02: That's a secret.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_02: If I told you, then everybody will know, and then you'll know.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, there he is.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_02: I know what that means.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna be looking for that the next time you'll never see it, never find it.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_02: No way.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-uh.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_02: You know?
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_02: So, Rev, if AI could answer any question in your personal life, would you believe it?
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_02: How would you take it?
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_02: Would you act on it?
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_02: Would you push back on it?
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_02: And what question would that possibly be that you are longing for?
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: There's a few questions that I'm longing for.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um I I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't want the answer from AI.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't want it.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: I live well, I live a life of faith.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I've trusted God in the journey.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm at this stage now of life where it's sort of seeing where God takes me.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_00: So if if I were to know, if AI were to tell me, I think I would live life differently because I know it's about to happen.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_00: Now, if you would have asked 20-year-old Dana Owens, yeah, I would want to know.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like, tell me this.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_00: But at this stage of life, it's sort of like the journey I'm excited about and discovering and believing God will do certain things and allow things to happen.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the questions that I'm asking, I will not share.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: These are these are life-changing questions, but I'm just trusting God in it.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't, yeah, I think it takes away the mystery of life if if I had the answer.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: So I would, I wouldn't want to know, even if it were right.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if I would even trust it, but I believe if I had an answer, I would probably live a life trying to make it line up with what that answer is.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_00: But where I am now, it's just like I'll I'm just gonna go with it and see what happens.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: What about you?
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: Would you trust AI?
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: If I asked it a particular question, a personal, yeah.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely, you would.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know what question I'd ask it?
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_02: Don't say the Steelers.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_02: No, what?
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_02: What it's the winning lotto ticket?
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_02: Oh shoot.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_02: Come on, think about it.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, if you had to if you could ask AI, no, the the what do you call it?
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_02: Like these the mega lotto thing, and it's a 400 million dollar jackpot, and you would be the sole winner of 400 million dollars.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, what would 400 million dollars do for you?
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_02: What would it do for your church, your community?
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_02: We wouldn't be doing this podcast, first of all.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_02: There would be that would be the end of the now.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_02: We'd be doing we'd be doing the podcast remotely from a 200-foot super place in Monte Carlo.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: And it would be black and white, yeah.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it would yeah.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you would, I don't know.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_00: You would really, what would what would having$400 million do for you now?
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, come on.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_02: You're like the uh psychiatrist who answers the question by asking the same question.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, come on.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, what how different would your life be?
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, I know it would be different, but is there anything that that the money could give that you don't have right now?
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, man, that's such a loaded question.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um and I was trying to point that gun at you with that question, and it came right back to me.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um I would tell you I would still go to work every day.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_02: I would still um well, I love what I do.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_02: That's I mean, you love what you do.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_02: I love what I do.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_02: I actually do love what I do.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_02: I actually I uh$400 million.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but you know what?
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_02: You know what?
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_02: I am afraid of retirement because I treat a lot of folks that are retired.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, and I see what retirement does to people.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_02: Doctors don't retire, we just die.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: Pastors too, you know, some, yeah, yeah.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna retire though.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: With that$400 million.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_00: Well, um So you you you go for it, you take that AI answer.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'll give you that.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_02: If it's a winning lotto ticket, I've for sure.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm glad I'm your friend, just in case.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna ask ChatGPT today.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_02: What is the winning lotto tickets?
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: Please let me know.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, let me ask Chat GPT.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_02: Where's my phone?
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_00: Do you play the lotto?
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_02: Nope.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_00: Because I know what 750 million do you like.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_02: I don't win shit.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_02: What is the winning lotto numbers?
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_02: And if you are so bright and intelligent as AI, why can't you tell me this?
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_02: Let's see what it says.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's so arrogant.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: Please read AI's response.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_02: I can't tell you the winning lottery numbers because those numbers don't exist yet until the drawing occurs.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_02: The issue isn't intelligence.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_02: You see, it got uh it got offended.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's information.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_02: Even if AI were far more intelligent than humans, so it's admitting it's not.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_03: Even if, yeah, okay.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_02: It still couldn't reliably predict a truly random future event unless it had access to information that determines the outcome.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_02: Lottery drawings are specifically designed so that the balls are mixed randomly.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think they are actually, I think they actually inject something into them.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_02: The exact physical conditions are unpredictable.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_02: No one, including the lottery operators, know the result beforehand.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_02: And past drawings do not provide a reliable way to predict the future drawings.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_02: That's a humble AI there.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_02: That's good.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_02: That was probably the most humble AI answer I've ever gotten.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_02: I love it.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_02: I appreciate all the uh viewers, and we look forward to some questions and um hopefully right answers.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_02: But, you know, as the old saying goes, it's just not that black and white.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_02: We'll see you next week.