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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 4-1-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 2: Heaving hump Day, everybody, Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show
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  Speaker 3: You can't get April Fools.
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  Speaker 2: he's here too. I'm bad at April Fools jokes. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I don't have to work today, guys to my wife
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  Speaker 4: and and she goes, She goes really and I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: April Fools Like that was.
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  Speaker 5: That was dumb.
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  Speaker 2: I shouldn't have I could have come up with a
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  Speaker 2: better one than that. Disappointed my family.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, it's all right. C. B.
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  Speaker 2: Buckner decided to pull his April Fools jokes early this year,
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  Speaker 2: which is that's that's meta thinking. If you've been paying
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  Speaker 2: attention to the way that the ABS system is handled
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  Speaker 2: in Major League Baseball if you're paying attention to the
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  Speaker 2: way that challenges on things like oh, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: an umpire, a first base umpire completely ignoring the base
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  Speaker 2: runner following the ball instead, and then deciding that that
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  Speaker 2: base runner is out. I normally pay almost zero attention
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  Speaker 2: to Major League Baseball after Opening Day and then into
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  Speaker 2: I don't know July. I'm like, yeah, I got other things,
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  Speaker 2: all right, We're watching playoff basketball. We're doing March Madness.
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  Speaker 2: We're watching a playoff push in hockey. I could put
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  Speaker 2: baseball on the back burner, but the umpiring situation right now,
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  Speaker 2: and specifically a man named C. B. Buckner being so
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  Speaker 2: horrifically bad at his job, has definitely drawn my attention
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  Speaker 2: to Major League Baseball early early in the season, headed
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  Speaker 2: up to springball.
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  Speaker 3: Yesterday, we're going to talk about that.
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  Speaker 2: Carly Dackendorf is going to join us as the Red
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  Speaker 2: has been death taxes and the Red Rocks qualifying for Nationals.
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  Speaker 2: They're looking to make Nationals for the forty ninth straight
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  Speaker 2: consecutive appearance every year since nineteen seventy seven with the
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  Speaker 2: exception of twenty twenty. Carly Dokendorf, though, finds herself and
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  Speaker 2: maybe her gymnasts not necessarily in the favorite spot this
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  Speaker 2: time around, so we'll talk about the mentality adjustment potentially there.
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  Speaker 2: We've got Adrian Denny joining us on the show. We're
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  Speaker 2: gonna have some fun. We also have Jeff Triplett, who
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  Speaker 2: the NFL officiating is coming after league meetings, is coming
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  Speaker 2: into the four and the officials and rule changes and
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  Speaker 2: the NFL have some things that they need to get
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  Speaker 2: sorted out. So that'll be at one point thirty on
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  Speaker 2: the show today. And despite my bad April Fools jokes,
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  Speaker 2: to join us at noon to talk some NBA basketball
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  Speaker 2: and an upcoming NBA Draft Lottery process that I am
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  Speaker 2: firmly convinced is at least somehow manipulated by the NBA.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, Spence will lecture me that that's not true,
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  Speaker 2: and Gordy doesn't believe it, and Sarah doesn't believe it,
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  Speaker 2: and those are people who are a lot smarter than
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  Speaker 2: me to the NBA stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, kind of on an island there, But yeah, it's okay.
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  Speaker 4: It's good content. You can argue with the people who
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  Speaker 4: actually know, and you can just now be convinced it's
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  Speaker 4: great content.
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  Speaker 2: You need a couple of random kooks out there just.
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  Speaker 5: Being like, no, that's not how it goes.
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  Speaker 2: And I will happily fill that role as the NBA
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  Speaker 2: Draft Lottery conspiracy theorist on the p seven hundred.
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  Speaker 4: And I really hope that nothing, nothing comes up and
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  Speaker 4: Sarah can join us today like like she said she could,
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  Speaker 4: I really, I really hope.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm sort of hoping that she continues her streak
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  Speaker 2: of committing to be a guest and us telling everyone
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  Speaker 2: she's going to be a guest and then her being like,
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  Speaker 2: oh I got jingles, sorry.
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  Speaker 4: She's she's She's had a lot of things come up
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  Speaker 4: this year.
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  Speaker 5: It's just kind of a running bit at this point.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, fine, so hopefully we're hopefully, I hope the streak
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  Speaker 4: ends because I love I love Sarah as a person,
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  Speaker 4: as a guest here, but it would it would be
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  Speaker 4: a fun bit to keep going to.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So James, I know you've already gone up to
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  Speaker 2: uh You've already gone up to spring practice, and I
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  Speaker 2: should have already gone up to spring practice. Yesterday was
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  Speaker 2: the first time I was able to get up there
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  Speaker 2: because of the PFL schedule and the home schedule and
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  Speaker 2: the travel and all that kind of stuff. And look,
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  Speaker 2: it was an excellent practice. What we got to see
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  Speaker 2: of practice. You saw some some fun stuff. Mona Carvajo
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  Speaker 2: with a couple of big plays, nice throws from Devin
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  Speaker 2: Dan Pierre Chavez Soto I think is going to be
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  Speaker 2: a nice depth piece at that running back position. We
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  Speaker 2: saw Elijah Ellis making some really good plays, sifting through
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  Speaker 2: blockers on a screen pass and making a tackle that
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  Speaker 2: was I mean, either for no gain or a very
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  Speaker 2: very short gain on a really well set up play.
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  Speaker 2: It was just kind of a heroic effort by the
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  Speaker 2: young man.
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  Speaker 3: The day kid.
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  Speaker 2: The transfer defensive end with a couple of sacks. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: there were some really nice things. And Morgan told us
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  Speaker 2: we have sound for you. By the way, We're gonna
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  Speaker 2: play it on the show today. It's also available at
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  Speaker 2: ESPN seven hundred sports dot com on the ESPN seven
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  Speaker 2: hundred app. Morgan, you know, was complimentary of certain players.
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  Speaker 2: He was also, you know, talking about how as most
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  Speaker 2: of us anticipate, the offensive line's got to figure itself
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  Speaker 2: out a little bit. He wants to see his backup
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  Speaker 2: running backs work on the jugs machine a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more and get more comfortable catching passes out of the backfield.
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  Speaker 2: All of that, right, Everyone in springball has some things
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  Speaker 2: to work on. Everyone has some opportunities to get better.
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  Speaker 2: It was great to watch a little football. It was
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  Speaker 2: great to see. Here's a couple of takeaways that I
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  Speaker 2: hope you, as a Utah football fan understand. I say
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  Speaker 2: these things. These are observations that can come off maybe
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  Speaker 2: as criticisms, but are intended to be more of questions
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  Speaker 2: that maybe we'll get answered, or or just something for
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  Speaker 2: you as a fan to keep your eye on as
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  Speaker 2: the season approaches and as the offseason progresses. One thing
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  Speaker 2: that is clear and evident, and I don't think we'll
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  Speaker 2: know if it's a good thing or a bad thing
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  Speaker 2: or a neutral thing until we actually see this team
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  Speaker 2: play some games and we see how the recruiting picture
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  Speaker 2: continues to work itself out and all that. But Morgan
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  Speaker 2: scally has a lot of philosophical similarities to his predecessor
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  Speaker 2: in terms of how he wants to be a physical
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  Speaker 2: football team. He wants to build a lot of things
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  Speaker 2: behind defensive excellence, et cetera. The guys work together for
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  Speaker 2: twenty plus years. Morgan Scalley's program is very clearly not
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  Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham's program, And again, we won't know whether that's
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  Speaker 2: a good or a bad thing until we see the
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  Speaker 2: product on the field. But if you go watch a
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  Speaker 2: Utah football practice under Kyle Whittingham and you go watch
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  Speaker 2: a BYU practice under Kolonie Satake, You're like.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, they do things.
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  Speaker 2: There's this significant difference in how they do things, even
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  Speaker 2: though there's a ton of crossover on the coaching staffs
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  Speaker 2: and things like that. Right, Morgan Scalley and his staff
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  Speaker 2: obviously a continuation of the last era, But talking to
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  Speaker 2: people on the mic, off the mic, talking to the
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  Speaker 2: players talking to coaches. There is vibe is such an
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  Speaker 2: overused word. The atmosphere, the vibe, the entire tone and
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  Speaker 2: tenor of the program are completely different with Morgan Scalley
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  Speaker 2: at the Helm, and that may or may not manifest
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  Speaker 2: itself on game days, but it is glaring on practice days.
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  Speaker 2: And it's not intended to cast dispersions on the way
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  Speaker 2: that Kyle Whittingham did anything.
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  Speaker 3: The results speak for themselves.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, if it doesn't work out the way we
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  Speaker 2: hope it will with Morgan Scalley, this might be used
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  Speaker 2: as something to explain or some like a criticism, but
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  Speaker 2: for now, it's not anything remotely critical. There is a lighter,
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  Speaker 2: more fun filled, more excitable approach to football right now
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  Speaker 2: with Morgan Scalley at the Helm, and I promise you
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  Speaker 2: it's not just the twenty minute media observation period that
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  Speaker 2: we got to see and you're probably like, oh, I
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  Speaker 2: wish I could see that at a spring football game.
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  Speaker 2: I started to get some ideas, some thoughts from people
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  Speaker 2: on what they have planned for you as a fan base.
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  Speaker 3: It is going to be for you, the Utah football fan.
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  Speaker 2: The Friday used to be a spring game, that weekend
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  Speaker 2: kind of an exercise. It is going to be a
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  Speaker 2: more gratifying fan forward, player facing opportunity for you than
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  Speaker 2: the spring football game ever was. And this is coming
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  Speaker 2: from a guy who loved the spring football game, even
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  Speaker 2: though it was kind of meaningless. I loved it. It
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  Speaker 2: was just tradition for me. It's a nice day out
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  Speaker 2: of the out of the rece cycle stadium. You bring
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  Speaker 2: your kids, it's you know, they are front of mind
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  Speaker 2: up there. They know that the twenty two Forever Foundation,
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  Speaker 2: and the spring game's contributions to the twenty two Forever
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  Speaker 2: Foundation is massively important to the program, the fabric of
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  Speaker 2: the program, the fan base, et cetera. They're not leaving
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  Speaker 2: that behind. They're not forgetting that. They know that this
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  Speaker 2: fan base wants a day to engage, at least a
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  Speaker 2: day to engage with the players and coaches. They're gonna
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  Speaker 2: give you that, and it's actually gonna be a heck
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  Speaker 2: of a lot more engaging than sitting and watching mostly
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  Speaker 2: backups play a spring football game. And I loved that tradition,
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  Speaker 2: I really did. I wish it made sense for the
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  Speaker 2: team to continue doing it. Unfortunately, it doesn't make sense
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  Speaker 2: for teams to do that anymore, not in most cases,
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  Speaker 2: and there's gonna be plenty of programs that still go
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  Speaker 2: through some motion. Oregon's gonna give you like a real
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  Speaker 2: spring football because that's the way Dan Lanning does things.
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  Speaker 3: And guess what you're gonna get Oregon fans.
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  Speaker 2: Every time there's an injury, every time there's a bumper bruise,
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  Speaker 2: and every time Oregon starts to lose games in November.
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  Speaker 2: We've been through this before. What are people gonna say
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  Speaker 2: about Dan Lanning and his methods? Get with the times? Dan,
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  Speaker 2: you're wearing these guys. You're grinding him down to a stump.
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  Speaker 2: Like I like Dan Lanning a lot. That's how it's
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  Speaker 2: gonna play out though. Okay, at the end, being like
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  Speaker 2: Southeast Missouri State Dan, if you have not seen what
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  Speaker 2: James is referencing, go to go to at Reloc Sports.
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  Speaker 3: I retweeted the springball practice tape.
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  Speaker 2: There is an absolutely absurd drill. It's not even like
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  Speaker 2: an Oklahoma drill. It's not bulling the ring. It is
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  Speaker 2: beyond that. It is it's not even half line. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: anyone who practiced or played football, you hear me say
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  Speaker 2: these things, and like a little shiver goes up your spine, like,
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  Speaker 2: oh man, that sucked.
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  Speaker 3: I hated that.
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  Speaker 2: Well this is this is even stranger. As far as
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  Speaker 2: I can tell, it is one ball carrier and then
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  Speaker 2: three tacklers, and one tackler is like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: five yards away, the other tackler is five yards away,
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  Speaker 2: but they're both coming at a converging angle. So there's
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  Speaker 2: like a pincer movement coming toward the ballcarrier. And then
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  Speaker 2: as far as I can tell, there's also like safety
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  Speaker 2: clean up behind them, so it's like half line drill
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  Speaker 2: with no blockers and someone's gonna get fired over just
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  Speaker 2: this video going viral, okay, because it is wildly irresponsible
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  Speaker 2: and it looks like the sorry the social media team
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  Speaker 2: has filmed it and was like this is no.
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  Speaker 5: One's doing this, this is cool. We're putting this out here.
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  Speaker 3: It is April Fool's date.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe this is some like elaborate AI and I just
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  Speaker 2: can't tell the difference.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, it's like a triangle.
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  Speaker 4: It's like the Australian rugby one on one rugby thing
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  Speaker 4: you were you.
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  Speaker 3: Were, It's like running about but with three tackler.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, in like a triangle formation and a much shorter distance.
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  Speaker 5: It's crazy, it's dumb.
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  Speaker 2: It's crazy dumb, but you know what, let him do
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  Speaker 2: that thing in Southeast Missouri. Like, sorry, Cimo, nobody actually cares.
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  Speaker 2: But you've made yourself a part of the conversation today
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  Speaker 2: at least ATRIALOC sports if you've seen the video, if
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  Speaker 2: you haven't seen the video, and like people are already.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, nobody here at Salt Lake City who follows
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  Speaker 2: me actually cares. But there's people like, oh man, you
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  Speaker 2: gotta fire these I know, there's so many.
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  Speaker 4: You've gotten so many people from all corners of the
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  Speaker 4: country to like to engage with your post on this.
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  Speaker 4: There's a there's The first one that stood out to
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  Speaker 4: me was there's like a Washington State alum who who
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  Speaker 4: is the name of his profile suggests he's a sports
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  Speaker 4: medicine professional, some kind of of some kind of athletic trainer.
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  Speaker 4: At least he's had that kind of education, And I'm like, oh, dang,
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  Speaker 4: this guy probably has some thoughts on what this can do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, health wellness in sports, that's it.
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  Speaker 2: Nature friends, family, Washington State alumni obviously a marathon runner,
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  Speaker 2: Go Coog's Hawk's Mariners.
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  Speaker 3: Do you see his pitch tweet too.
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  Speaker 4: It says something about fire Larry Scott that still a
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  Speaker 4: pin tweet that's me from twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 3: I love it. I love it.
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  Speaker 2: Probably I guess this he's probably a holdover when I
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  Speaker 2: did Pack twelve. Yeah, but it might be in any case.
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  Speaker 2: So spring football, it was awesome to be up there,
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  Speaker 2: caught up with some of the coaches, and great to
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  Speaker 2: see Morgan. He's obviously like he was ready to do this,
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  Speaker 2: and while I'm sure that there's an incredible weight on
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  Speaker 2: him from the responsibility of doing it, he's not going
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  Speaker 2: to let that on. He He is have a blast,
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  Speaker 2: and by extension, I think he's encouraging his assistant coaches
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  Speaker 2: and his players to have fun. And in spring ball
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of business that needs to be conducted.
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  Speaker 2: Right when we arrived at spring camp, I was actually
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  Speaker 2: making fun of Colton Swan after practice about this because
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  Speaker 2: as soon as they said all right, you know, they
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  Speaker 2: gather us outside the weight room and then the media
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  Speaker 2: they say, okay, you can go down there and you
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  Speaker 2: can watch, but you know, don't go on the grass,
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  Speaker 2: don't don't talk to any of the players during practice, whatever, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And as soon as we walked into kind of like
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  Speaker 2: the back practice field area. The thing that you heard
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  Speaker 2: was sharif Shaw and Colton Swan just ripping dudes apart
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  Speaker 2: because they're in this teaching period, right, And it's you've
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  Speaker 2: got defensive players filling in as the scout team offensive
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  Speaker 2: players and like Cyrus Polo was playing wide receiver, okay,
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  Speaker 2: and then you've got your I guess projected number ones
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  Speaker 2: and they're they're they're doing it's a teaching moment at practice,
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  Speaker 2: and you don't we get to see more of the
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  Speaker 2: scrimmaging stuff than we do the teaching stuff. But they're
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  Speaker 2: teaching the terminology the language to the newcomers, and they're
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  Speaker 2: teaching them what triggers what right, and it is like
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  Speaker 2: it is relatively complicated to play safety and defensive back,
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  Speaker 2: especially in this defense. You've got to know the terminology
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  Speaker 2: and you've got to know what begets what Like when
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  Speaker 2: this receiver does this and the offensive formation changes, what
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  Speaker 2: does that do to this safety? And then when that
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  Speaker 2: triggers the safety movement, what does it do to you
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  Speaker 2: as a corner, and what does it do to the linebackers? Right,
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  Speaker 2: So they're in they're teaching that as we're approaching, and
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  Speaker 2: it was intense. Right, they're demanding attention, they're demanding accountability.
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  Speaker 2: They're telling these guys, you know, they're quizzing them on
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  Speaker 2: the moment on the spot. Okay, he comes across in motion,
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  Speaker 2: what does this mean? What's your call? And guys are
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  Speaker 2: getting it wrong and they're being told what it means
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  Speaker 2: that you're getting it wrong. Right, So it's not like
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  Speaker 2: just this hunky dory kumbayad type everyone's giggling type atmosphere,
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  Speaker 2: which of course it never was with Kyle Whittingham, and
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  Speaker 2: it never should have been with Kyle Whittingham. But you
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  Speaker 2: see the way that the flip or the switch can
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  Speaker 2: flip a little bit right, you get that teaching period done,
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  Speaker 2: you get it right a little bit. Now it's time
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  Speaker 2: to compete. Let's have a little bit of fun, let's
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  Speaker 2: get wild. And it was that always existed under the
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  Speaker 2: old regime. But it was Morgan Scally doing it. It
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  Speaker 2: was Sharif Shaw doing it right. On the other side,
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  Speaker 2: you saw a lot of that from from Freddie Whittingham.
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  Speaker 2: He would be kind of the raw, raw guy on
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  Speaker 2: the offense when they would have scrimmage time and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And and now I don't know if Morgan has like said, hey,
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  Speaker 2: everyone's got to do it, but I should say Mark
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  Speaker 2: ott to why when he joined the program was very
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  Speaker 2: willing to engage in that kind of thing as well.
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  Speaker 2: He's he's a big he's a big fun guy. He's
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  Speaker 2: a big he's a big personality.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's like everyone's cup of tea
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  Speaker 2: to do this naturally, but they're all doing it. These
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  Speaker 2: coaches are all engaging the players in that like the
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  Speaker 2: joy of competition standpoint. And I'm not trying to infer
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  Speaker 2: too much off of a twenty thirty minute practice observation.
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  Speaker 3: But when you talked and I did.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: When I'm talking to Colton Swan and I'm talking to
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Morgan Scalley, and I'm talking to other coaches and former
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: players that are hanging out there, and you just it's
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: a different atmosphere and there's some trepidation that comes with that,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: but for now that exists in the fan base only
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: this team is really dialed in and really excited about
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: the opportunity the offensive line that all of us are
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: just like, man, there's a lot of questions here, how
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: do you replace these five guys, that offensive line group
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: is like, finally it's my turn, not like, oh my gosh,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: I gotta be as good as Spencer Funo, what am
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: I gonna do?
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: Who?
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: By the way, Spencer Fauna was their practice yesterday, hanging out.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Obviously he's a big, impressive guy, but as unassuming as
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: you can possibly be for someone who's about to be
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: a first round draft pick. You know, pretty cool. Uh,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: this offensive line group is. We talked a couple of
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: them after practice in the official like, uh, you know,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: background interviews That sound is available at ESPN seven hundred
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: sports dot com.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: Who was Itt Cedric Jefferson Jefferson and is it was
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: it Jefferson that came from Montana State? Which one was
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: the mon Jefferson Jefferson did? It was interesting just to
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: underscore your point about these guys mentality, how they're not
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: they're not thinking about the past. Really, they're thinking about
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: what a great opportunity they have, opportunity they have ahead
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: of them starting this season. Segor Jefferson was like, I
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: was at Montana State last year, Guys, I don't know
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: anything about what it was yeah year before, So all
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: I'm thinking about is is what we get the best
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: we can do with the group we have here, which
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: is which is a great mindset. If that's if that's
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: really what the whole group is thinking, that's that's what
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: you want.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: So you get you get a sense that there is
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: a like, there's gonna be a time when they have
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: to boil it down and be very business like. And
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: there are periods in the practice where they're being very
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: business like. When it's time to compete. These guys are
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: having fun with that competition. They're getting fiery with that competition.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: That's a good thing, right, That atmosphere is good. Here
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: is here's something I wonder about with this Utah football team,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: all right, And it's not meant to be I'm not
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to cast dispersions, but there's not a
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: lot of impress you off the bus types guys on
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: this roster right now. There's not a lot of dudes
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: that you look like you visually watch them competing and
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: playing and you're just like, oh my gosh, what is that?
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Who is that freak? There's not a ton of that
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: right now.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Cash Dylan kind of maybe, and look, that isn't always
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: an automatic victory for you. If you've got those guys right,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: We've seen it go both ways. At the University of Utah,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Van Fillinger was like the ultimate holy cow, look at
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: that off the bus type guy, right, and he had
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: a hard time staying healthy. And he was an awesome
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: competitor and a really good player. But it's not like
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: he ended up being an All American or anything like that.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Devin Lloyd was the same thing, like Geez that is
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: a big linebacker. He's got some real speed and he
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: was the best or second best linebacker in the entire
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: country by the time he left the University of Utah.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: So the eyeball test is only as important as the
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: eyeballs that were just with But there's not a ton
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: of like, Ooh, that guy passes the eyeball test on
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: this team. There just isn't. And again, take it as
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: you will. That doesn't mean they're understaffed, that doesn't mean
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: they have depth problems, that doesn't mean they're under athletic.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: It just is like Brittain Covey never really passed the
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: eyeball test.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: He was an unbelievable player.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Tobias Merriweather is the ultimate eyeball test passer and can't
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: catch a cold sometimes, So there's that Like Dollan Bentley,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: we didn't talk about him most of his career. He's like,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, the eyeball test, and it took him
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: a while to really play to the level of his
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: body I think, right, So that was something that unfortunately
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: like it's a it's a it's a little aside.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Okay, this is point d I'm trying to make here, Like.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Especially on the defensive line, there's not like a oh
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: my goodness, what is that creature? There's no leky Pho
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: two on this defensive line.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: That twenty nineteen line in particular, you had Pho two,
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: you had Penasini that were both just like, these guys
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: are literal giants. How like any offensive lineman should be
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: shuddering when they when they look across those guys.
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we haven't.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: It's been a while since they since Utah's had people
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: like that, and this year so far seems to be
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: no exception.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: And look like.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Cash Dillon passes the eyeball test pretty aggressively in my opinion, Holsklaw,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: who I think is the kind of the lead guy
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: on the other side, not as much. He's like good
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: enough for me from A. And again, this is just
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: eyeball test stuff. I don't know how much is going
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: to matter. I don't think it's gonna matter at all.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: As long as these guys compete and as long as
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: these guys perform poopu cept. Polona does not pass the
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: defensive line eyeball test. But he's a really good player.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: We learned that about him last year year. Okay, Jai Moy,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: the guy who the transfer came in. Alex Harrison called
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: him out. I said, who's the hardest for you to block?
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: Right now?
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Who's And he was like, oh, he thought about it,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: like offensive linemen are usually pretty thoughtful, and he's like, oh,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: it's Jai, actually, Ji.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: I'll let you listen to the sound we'll play for
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: you later today.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: But his point was that Ji feels what the offensive
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: lineman is doing better than most people and reacts to that,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: encounters that, and that's something that a lot of defensive
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: linemen actually never grow into. They never learn that. They're
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: just like bowl in a china shop. But it's just like, well,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: if my first move doesn't work, I have a second move,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: and if that doesn't work, I'll get you. I'll catch
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: you on the next rep. You know, there's not there's
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: not actually a ton of defensive linemen. Only the really,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: really good ones are reactive in the moment because you
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: have two and a half seconds to win that battle
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: as a d lineman max as an interior defensive lineman,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: you have no time. So it's not the most cerebral position.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: And maybe he's doing it on instinct, maybe he's doing
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: it on film study, maybe he's doing it on thought.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: But like Elijah Ellis, okay, he doesn't yet pass the
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: eyeball test. He's not yet big. He's not built like
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: his dad quite, he's not even built like his brother's
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: quite yet until he starts playing, and then you're just like,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, that kid is always around the ball.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: He is going to be an excellent player. And linebacker
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: is probably your deepest room right now. Line he might
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: not even be in the lead rotation, he might not
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: be in your top three linebackers. And if that's linebacker
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: number four for you, yes, please, that is excellent for
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: this University of Utah football team. So we'll continue to observe.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: We'll continue. But those were the two things that jumped
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: out most to me. One on the positive end was
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: just like, Wow, that the vibe has lightened up quite
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: a bit. This feels this feels more like I don't
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: know what probably all these players envision their college football
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: experience is hopefully going to be. And that's not to
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: say the business is not being done. It's getting done,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: but I think it's getting done in a way that
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: probably carries a little bit less mental weight for these
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: players right now. And then the other one for me
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: and is more on the negative side of the ledger
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: I think for a lot of people is just like man,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: the physicality, the size, the raw, Like, holy cow, where
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: are they growing these things? There's fewer of those individuals
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: than I thought this roster would have. There's some Thereaway Williams, yikes,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: there's some of those guys. Are there enough come Saturdays?
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: We'll find out. And again that's a pretty reductive opinion
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: because it's based on half an hour of watching these
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: dudes play.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: All right, big show lined up.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Like I said, our first guest joins us in just
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: a few minutes, Carlie Dockendorf, and we we've been talking
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: about how Utah State, with coaching turnover and athlete turnover,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: has just found a way to stay relevant in the
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: college basketball world. Well, the Red Rocks Utah Gymnastics is
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: the ultimate example of this level of consistency on a
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: program level. Carl Dockendorff is the latest in the line
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: of great coaches her athletes. This year just delivered yet
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: another conference championship. It was packed twelve championships. It was
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: mount West Conference championships. It was whack championships before. Now
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: it's big twelve championships. Can they advance past the regional?
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Are they the favorites like they usually are in these regionals?
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: We'll get to all of that with Carlee Dockendorf three
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: minutes from now on the Sean O'Connell Show ESPN seven
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: hundred ninety two ONEFM.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: Who we are about this, It's the.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Sean O'Connell Show. You were home of the best inside
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: of your utes. Let's get back to OC from a
• 29:14
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• 29:18
  Speaker 1: to one A f am, All.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: Right, welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. Let's talk
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: a little.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Utah Gymnastics Number twelve Utah headed up to Corvallis, Oregon
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: for the regional it'll be Alabama, Denver, Oregon State in
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: the first session of the Corvallis Regional Semifinals coming up
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: this Friday at two pm Mountain time. We're lucky enough
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: to be joined by the head coach of the Red Rocks,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Carly Dachndorf, here on the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Coach, how are things good?
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: Thanks for having me on pume to be here.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Appreciate you giving us some time. I know it's a
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: busy time of year for you. Let's talk about back
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: to back Big Twelve championships first, a really dominant meet
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: for you and your team. Did you have the feeling
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: heading into it that everyone was dialed in and where
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: they needed to be?
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: You know, we get pretty pretty amped out for the
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: conference championships. It's a big deal. We never take it
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: for granted, and I knew this team was going to
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: be excited going in there, and so awesome for us
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: to have it at the Maverick Center, which is, you know,
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: kind of a home way from home for us and
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: have all our fans there, and yeah, it was. It
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: was such a great meet for us and a really
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: good building opportunity for us going into post season.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: So as you're building for this postseason in the regional
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: and hopefully beyond, you're getting all these accolades coming in.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: All American nods are out Big twelve Gymnasts of the
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Year for back to back years.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: This time it's Avery ne f.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: You're getting you know, individual Big twelve championships. And I
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: know that these women are very custom to high level success,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: but is there any level of compartmentalization where you have
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: to be like, Okay, this is great, let's enjoy this
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: for now, congratulations on this, and we'll ignore it as
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: soon as it's time to put.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: In the work for retails. How do you handle it?
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: Well, I think we just use all of those accolades,
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: and you know, some of the big results we've had
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: this year is confidence going into postseason knowing that we're
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: so stacked on our roster with only accomplished gymnasts, and
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: even ones that you know haven't competed this year, they
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: have pushed the ones that have been and have made
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: them better. So I really think we use it as
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: just you know, a little confidence booster going in and
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: we're returning so many to postseason, which is huge for us.
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: But yeah, lots of big things to be proud of
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: this year, and we really feel like the best is
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: yet to come still for this team.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: I was I was talking with Sammy Moore at Utah
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: football practice yesterday and I said, oh, you know, just
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: coming on, if you're in conducting the interview, what do
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: you want me to hear or what do you want
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: to hear me ask? And she said, well, she said,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: you know, this is a team that's maybe not as
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: heavily favored as past years, and I wonder how that's
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: affecting them. Do you have any sense of whether or
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: not it's weighing on your girls?
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: You know, we actually did a bit of a deep
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: dive into some of the data around our ranking, because yeah,
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: on paper were ranked twelve and UCLA and Alabama are
• 32:28
  Speaker 7: four or five. But when you kind of look at
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: the data closely, it's a new scoring system this year,
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: and we.
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: Had a rough couple weeks in.
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: January which really hurt our ranking. And with their new
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: scoring system, you don't get to erase the start of season,
• 32:44
  Speaker 7: and so when you look closely and you look at
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: the numbers of what we've been doing for the last
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: you know, seven weeks, it is better than some of
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: those teams, and so that to us is what's important
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: because it's not necessarily what your team looks like in January.
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: It really is what your team looks like going into postseason.
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: And sure, easy to say we're number twelve or the underdogs,
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: but we really don't feel like that because where we're
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: at physically and mentally, and you know, with our routines,
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: we feel like we're as ready as we ever are
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: going into regionals.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna do this is the most sports talk
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: radio thing that everyone talking. We all lean on this like, oh,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: it's postseason basketball, and that's just different. Hey, football in
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: the postseason it's different. And then if anyone presses us
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: and it's like, okay, how's it different? Though, it's harder
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: to answer that question, right, So postseason gymnastics versus regular
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: season gymnastics, we know it's harder. We know it's harder
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: to win against elite competition, but can you characterize for
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: me how the regular season and this regional or even
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: the Big twelve tournament in this regional are different.
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: There's just there's so many good teams out there now
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: and so many good gymnasts in the NCAA that postseason
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: doesn't allow for major errors and everything is on the
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: line and every routine does count. In regular season, you know,
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: if you don't have a good meet like you can
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: still have the chance to you know, win your conference
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: and qualify regionals. But when you get to postseason, one
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: mistake no can cost you moving forward. So that's also
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: what to me personally makes it so exciting because everything
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: is on the line. You know, every routine counts, and
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: that's how you get to the national championships and just
• 34:41
  Speaker 7: by being excellent everywhere.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: The physical abilities in gymnastics fascinate me because you know,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: even if you're a great athlete, you still can't do
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: what elite gymnasts can do. So the physical side of
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: it is incredibly fascinating, but for me even more so
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: the mental side, especially as it pertains to mistakes when
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: they happen, like I mean, I couldn't even walk up
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: and down a beam without falling off. I can't imagine
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: a rehearse routine and then a mistake during that routine
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: and having to pick it up right where you left off,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: and having to compartmentalize and get rid of that mistake
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: and execute the rest of the routine. Or the rest
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: of my other more my floor exercise whatever. After screwing
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: up on a beam, is that something that you coach
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: that you have to coach the I guess, handling of
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: adversity and just like forgetting of adversity.
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah, for sure. And you know, unfortunately but fortunately for us,
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: we experienced all that firsthand in that month of January,
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: and some of those lessons like the only way you
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: can learn it is by doing it. That's by falling
• 35:54
  Speaker 7: a few times on an event and learning how to
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: pick yourself back up and carry on. And it definitely
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: is because it's easy to carry with you to the
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: next event the disappointment, but there's really no time for that.
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: So we did get a lot of practice so learning
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: how to handle some of that diversity early season, and
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: you know, we're just talking about yesterday, and I really
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: feel like we're actually more equipped going into this regional
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: than we ever have because we have had to figure
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: out how to just move on. You know, that routine
• 36:26
  Speaker 7: happened and now I still know I can do my
• 36:28
  Speaker 7: gymnastics and I go and in past years we haven't
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: had to practice that as much. And then we go
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: to regionals and often we will make a mistake, you know,
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: and so then you do see our team tents up,
• 36:40
  Speaker 7: and maybe you see some other small, little uncharacteristic mistakes.
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: But I really feel like we have You've gotten a
• 36:47
  Speaker 7: lot of practice at that early season, so we feel
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: pretty good about knowing how to handle those situations.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Well, I hope you'll forgive me for belaboring the point.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: But is it Is it something that you have that
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: you'd like spend time on in practice where I don't
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: know if there's like mental exercises. I don't know, if
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: you're playing like self help books through the speakers, like
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: the mental side. I mean, I'm fascinated with this with golf.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: I'm fascinated with this with baseball because these are such
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: mental exercises in addition to the physicality required. But you know,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: everyone's watching and these routines. It's not like in football
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: where if you're on defense, you got seventy five plays
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: and if you screw up one, yeah it can be costly,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: but you got seventy four more that you can make
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: up for that issue. That's not the case in gymnastics,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: that's not the case in golfer in baseball. So is
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: there a method to that maybe you lean on more
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: than something else in order to get over those humps.
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, it really is. And you know, to
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: be honest, when we've been in the final four at
• 37:54
  Speaker 7: national championships, we haven't lost because physically we weren't prepared,
• 37:59
  Speaker 7: you know, like our routines weren't good enough. It was
• 38:03
  Speaker 7: how we handled ourselves mentally and our focus maybe wasn't
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: in the right spot. And it is. It is definitely
• 38:09
  Speaker 7: something we spend a lot of time on and especially
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: at the University of Utah, where you have expectations of
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: making every single national championship, and you know, we talk
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: a lot about pressure as a privilege and that is
• 38:22
  Speaker 7: such an honor to be at a program where that
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: is the level of excellence that's expected of you. But
• 38:28
  Speaker 7: what comes with that is you know, so much pressure
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: and how do you deal with that? And that's where
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: we really you know, rely on our upperclassmen to help
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: our underclassmen settle in with those expectations and our staff
• 38:43
  Speaker 7: and we do a lot of rehearsing, a lot of
• 38:45
  Speaker 7: practice meets and talk about simulating, you know, putting yourself
• 38:50
  Speaker 7: mentally and the competition mindset of what's it going to
• 38:53
  Speaker 7: feel like, what's it going to look like? All right,
• 38:54
  Speaker 7: here you go, someone just fell it before you, and
• 38:57
  Speaker 7: now it's you have to hit or we don't move on.
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: So we do everything we can. At the end of
• 39:03
  Speaker 7: the day, I really think it just comes down to
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: how much you care about your teammates and this program
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: and what you're willing to fight for.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: Don't worry, coach.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Your team, as you're well aware, has only made nationals
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: for long consecutively, longer than you've been alive. So no
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: pressure and no pressure with that.
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: How do you as the as the coach handle it?
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Because again, gymnastics differs from some of these other sports
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: that we spend so much time covering. It's like you
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: kind of have to just turn them loose. At least
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: that's my perception of it. The work has the hays
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: got to be in the barn in gymnastics because it's
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: not like you're going to go out there and be like, hey,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: let's let's add another twist and try to earn some
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: more points on this routine because we're reacting to something.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Wait does that happen? I don't know. Maybe I'm talking out.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Of school here, but it feels like you just kind
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: of got to be like, Okay, we're here, we've done it,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: and go execute and make it perfect.
• 40:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly, and relying on the work that you've done.
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: We've talked a lot about that because facts are so
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: important at this time of year. It's easy to lean
• 40:11
  Speaker 7: into people's you know, own perception or you know, or
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: ideas of what your team might be. But the facts
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: are the facts and the and the truth of it
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: is this team put in so much work, Our staff
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: put in so much work this year, intentional work, and
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: we know the work is there, and you're right now,
• 40:29
  Speaker 7: it's just time, just time to go compete. Just do
• 40:31
  Speaker 7: what we've been practicing all year. No one's throwing any
• 40:34
  Speaker 7: new moves at our regional championships, you know, same skills
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: that we've been practicing since last summer, and and go
• 40:43
  Speaker 7: enjoy the moment. That's just so important.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: What's the number that it's going to take to advance
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: past this regional.
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: I think it's going to take a high one ninety seven.
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: I think there's you know, there's definitely some really good
• 40:56
  Speaker 7: teams in this regional and won't be room for you know, air,
• 41:01
  Speaker 7: Everyone's going to bring their best and a big number
• 41:04
  Speaker 7: is what it's going to take to get out of
• 41:05
  Speaker 7: this regional.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: From a big picture standpoint, we have been discussing for
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: several years now the shifting landscape in college sports and
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: things like transfer and things like nil and how it's
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: so different now. And uniquely at the University of Utah,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: we've got, you know, a men's basketball program that's trying
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: to figure things out. We've got a women's basketball program
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: that's had some success recently and is trying to recapture that.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: You got a football team that I mean, you know
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: what the expectations are like there, and a new era
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: has begun with Morgan Scalley at the Helm. Are the
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Red Rocks being taken care of the way that they
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: need to. Are you getting the resources, the commitment, the
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: fans support that you need in order to maintain the
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: excellence that we all expect.
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: Absolutely. I feel like this community in Salt Lake City
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: has continued to invest in this program and these women,
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: and you know, we're not in the SEC, so we
• 42:06
  Speaker 7: have to offer something a little bit different than what
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: you get from going to the SEC. And I really
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: feel like it's the commitment from this community here to
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: keep us at the top and to provide us the resources,
• 42:18
  Speaker 7: the nil opportunities to keep the best gymnasts here at
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: Utah and you know, continue to make them a priority,
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: because that isn't the case in SEC programs. You know,
• 42:29
  Speaker 7: gymnastics often is one of many programs that are you know,
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: national contenders every single year, and the Red Rocks, you know,
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: it really is a legacy program and man, it feels
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: so blessed to be a part of it.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate you giving us some time today.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Good luck in Corvallis, and then let's have you on
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: again after you advance past the regional Let's have you
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: on again before nationals.
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: Okay, love it, Thank you so much.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: That's Carly docind our head coach of your Red Rocks
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Utah women's gymnastics in the regional on Friday, starting at
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: two mountain time, Alabama number five in the country, Utah twelve,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Alabama number five, Denver number twenty three, Oregon number or
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: excuse me, Oregon state number twenty five in that first
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: session of the Corballis Regional semifinals coming up on Friday.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Big thanks to Carli Dockendorf for stopping by four all
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Americans this year at the University of Utah Big twelve
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Champs again. Carli Dockendorf, by the way, is the only
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: coach to make it to the final four in her
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: first year as a head coach in gymnastics.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: So yeah, the pressure is on.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: It's forty nine years consecutively, with the exception of that
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty season where obviously COVID ruined everything for everyone.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: She's not forty nine years old, she's she's only forty three.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Utah has been making it to the finals executively since
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: before coach was born.
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: It's pre NC double A too.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: By the way, I realize that because women's sports has
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: not always been governed by NC double A. So this
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: goes back to nineteen seventy six. That was like a
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: few years before the NCUBLEA took over women's sports. So
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: it's she talked about it an almost impossible standard to
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: live up to, but in her first year she's done it.
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: So far this regular season, she's done it. We'll see
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: if they can get back to Nationals with the good
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: showing in regionals this week.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Fingers crossed, go red Rocks.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: All right, Hot Lunch is coming next on the shot
• 44:38
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• 45:47
  Speaker 2: toss State. Put theirs out, and remember you toss State.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Initially the cowprint helmets were in April Fool's joke, and
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: then they actually wore them and they look cool. So
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: will this potentially manifest itself in real life? Utah State
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Football account the USU Football account New era and new field,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: introducing new turf. As we enter the Pac twelve and
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: it is white turf with the blue cow spots on it.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: I actually would love if someone did.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: White turf, like plain white turf, so it always looked
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: like a snow game.
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: You know who should do that?
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: Penn State is the school that they could pull that
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: off with their white and the white outs that they
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: like to lean into.
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure you do. It's not even a turf
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: field though, that is a real grass field.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: So like the traditionalists at Penn State would they would cry,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: but like that as far as how much they lean
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: into the white up there, that's the school that could
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: pull it off.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Well, if you want to talk about leaning into white
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: by you.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Should put a white turf field, get it?
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, speaking up here's you know what have you seen?
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Have you seen the BYU TV Sports Nation Jerem Jordan
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: April Fool's joke that they're playing on all of us
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: It's got to be It's gotta be great because Jerem
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: Jordan is a witty guy.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Breaking news, AJ debonce announces he's returning to BYU for
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: his sophomore season next year. I have unfinished business with
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: a statement from aj debonca Oh my, that's actually kind
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: of mean spirit.
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: It kind of is.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: It's like it's like my it's like my thought of
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: joke that I've played on my family.
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: Hey, I don't have to work to just kidding I do, Sorry.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Coognation, let's run it back, says aj Debonce. Yeah, yeah,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: that's great. That's kind of cold blooded.
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: By the way, going back to Utah State thing, are
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: they just using April Fool's Day as a soft opening now?
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: Is that what they're doing?
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Honestly, it's kind of genius to be like, ah, April
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Fools unless people are like, no, for real, we like this,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: and then they're like, yeah, good idea.
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah it was real.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: It just happened to be on April Fool's Day, just
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: like when Roy Williams retired.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: You just you tested.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Also like that they announced today Michael Forsina who's being
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: hired as a new Special Teams analyst, and then in parentheses,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: this one is not an.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: April Fool's joke.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: If I'm Michael Farsina, I'm like, just make the announcement tomorrow.
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: I don't want seriously, I don't want there to.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: Be any confusion.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: I don't want confusion to the back of my own
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: mind whether or not I really got.
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: Hired, Like, let the rumors be out there because it's
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: probably probably everything gets leaked before the official announcement comes.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: Let those rumors be on April fools say, and let
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: everyone speculate whether it's an April Fool's joke, and then
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: and then just put the official announcement on the second.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: There's an April Fools joke about a an LSU football
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: blackout uniform black LSU uniforms. They've pledged to never do that,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Thank goodness. I'm not even a big LSU guy. But
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: how about this Las Vegas. Several Las Vegas Strip resorts
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: will begin charging hotel guests at twenty eight dollars per
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: night fee for in room air conditioning. If I'm comfort,
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: fee will be will provide guests twenty four to seven
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: access to their air conditioning in Vegas. That caught a
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: couple of people. Joe Shad reacted to this on Twitter angrily.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: So April Fool's joke, people, or maybe Vegas is doing
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: it as like a soft launch. Also seeing how violent
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: the reaction is.
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: You know, this is.
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: If athletic departments aren't already using April Fool's Day to
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: just we're gonna put something out there, and it's not
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: a joke, but we're but because it's April Fools say,
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: we'll let people think it's a joke if they're not
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: already doing that.
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: Like that's kind of a genius move.
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: Like, hey, we're thinking about doing this, We're not sure
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: if people think it will be too ridiculous. Let's just
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: announce it on April Fool's Day and then if we
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: get positive reaction, we'll.
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: Actually do it like we want to.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: Okay, so this one again, just wait a day or
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: do it yesterday. This Adam Schefter, I don't.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: Know if this is like some inside joke that we
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: don't really know a lot about. Adam Schefter is announcing
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: that the voice of the Ravens, their play by play
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: announcer for the last twenty seasons, is retiring.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: April Fool's Day is not the day to announce this.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: So I'm assuming it's a joke, but I don't know
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: why that would be so funny. This is a statement
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: from Ravens President Sashi Brown, retweeted by Adam Schefter. By
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: the way, do you know what the name of the
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Ravens play by play announcer is?
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: Do you know what his name is? James?
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: I do not it's Jerry Sandusky. Oh, that's right.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: It was a it was a problematic time for him
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: back when that whole mess was occurring at Penn State,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: of which of course is completely unrelated to anything in
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: his life, but the hate mail and the messages and
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: the social media, Like.
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: What an unfortunate thing to have that name, It's like
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: and be in football in some way, Yeah, exactly, Yeah, Oh,
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: it'd be terrible. Like it's like in your whole life.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: You're probably like, yeah, that's my name.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Is fine up until one of the most heinous, horrific, terrible,
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: high profile crimes ever around sports gets revealed and it's
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: someone with your name.
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're a member.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: You're like a forward facing you're the you're the voice
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: of the Ravens, for hell's sake, that's like a big deal.
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, You're like, you're the you are the representative of
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: the team for the fan base, as the voice of
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: the team. I before that, he probably was like, Yeah,
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: the worst thing I got was Tommy Boy jokes because
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: of Sandusky. Ohio Callahan auto like, yeah, that that's rough
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: in a in a much lighter way, you know, uh,
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: you know, you are a guy.
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: Dan Sorenson from you Zone, Oh, founder of you Zone.
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: Great guy.
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: Every time the Chiefs played a playoff game, he would
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: get all kinds of like hate tweets from Utes fans
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: and other and Chiefs haters because of BYU great Daniel Sowartson.
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: They would, they would, People on Twitter would think, oh
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: I found Dan Sorenson on Twitter.
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: It's a different Dan Sorenson. So he would.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: He probably still gets those sometimes on chief games even
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: though Daniel Sorenson isn't playing. Let's see this from the
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Sports Business Journal, The NFL and Tomorrow Sports are launching
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: a professional flag football leam league aimed at creating a premium,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: tech driven experience for fans. The venture will start with
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: one hundred ninety two million dollars in funding, including one
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: hundred and sixty million from external investors and thirty two
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: million from the NFL. Like, that doesn't seem like an
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: April fool's joke. That seems like something that could actually
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: be real. Don't make real announcements today in the sports world.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know what's going Uh see if there's any
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: other good ones. I think that's all. I think that's
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: all for now.
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: Honestly, the picture of the cowprint field actually looks pretty good,
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: kind of cool. I maybe Utah States should just do
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: it just like they did with the helmets this last year.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: This is great.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Kentucky announced we're going big blue with blue turf this
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: fall hashtag go big, Big Blue, and the Boise State
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: football account just tweeted at them cease and.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: Desist, because of course they have.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: That's fantastic, all right, But seriously, stop with the announcements
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: because you're gonna catch me on a couple of these,
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: all right, So don't do it.
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: There's that Darren Heidner, the post to limit college athlete
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: transfers like that, Just don't do that today, Darren Heidner,
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: the college.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: Drives me nuts. All right.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: We gotta take a break. That's the hot lunch for today.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: Sarah Todd, we believe we'll be joining us in three minutes.
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: You gotta have faith. We'll talk.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: We'll talk all things, We'll talk all things NBA with
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: Sarah Todd. I have no I have no questions prepared
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: because I don't have faith. ESPN seven and.
• 54:25
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• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Our number two begins with an illustrious guest who can
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  Speaker 6: I'm great.
• 55:03
  Speaker 8: I like to keep you on your toes. You don't
• 55:06
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• 55:09
  Speaker 8: the faith and then I show up right when you
• 55:10
  Speaker 8: least expect me.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: I was only big facetious about the losing the faith thing.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: I knew you would show up, mostly because I saw
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: you like last week. So anyway, lots of stuff to
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: get to with the Utah Jazz. But before we get there,
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: I'm interested in a story that came out.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: I think I first saw this yesterday.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Mark Cuban went on a podcast and he talked about
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: how he regretted selling his majority shares of the Maps,
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: not because he regretted selling it, but because of who
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: he sold it to. My question for you is does
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: the rest of the NBA world regret Mark Cuban selling
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: the maps. Was he a better owner, a better steward
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: of the Mavericks than Adelson and Dumont.
• 55:54
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's hard to really differentiate one billionaire from
• 56:00
  Speaker 8: another and decide who is better. If we're being honest,
• 56:06
  Speaker 8: it feels like such a strange story to be like, oh,
• 56:09
  Speaker 8: I regret who I sold it to. And it's like, well,
• 56:13
  Speaker 8: it's not like you didn't know.
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: You didn't.
• 56:15
  Speaker 8: It's not like you didn't know that they weren't basketball people.
• 56:18
  Speaker 8: If you were concerned about any of that, then maybe
• 56:21
  Speaker 8: you would have thought twice before making this billion dollar decision,
• 56:26
  Speaker 8: multi billion dollar decision. And also, like, god, it feels
• 56:31
  Speaker 8: like such a slap in the face to Mavericks fans
• 56:34
  Speaker 8: to be like, oh, I know that he that they
• 56:36
  Speaker 8: traded Lucoway, and now after it's all a said and done,
• 56:40
  Speaker 8: I regret that I regret that I sold the team
• 56:43
  Speaker 8: to the people that did that to you, Dallas Mavericks fans.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: I just.
• 56:50
  Speaker 8: Honestly, it felt like, maybe keep that one to yourself.
• 56:53
  Speaker 8: You don't have to say that you regret it, because
• 56:55
  Speaker 8: then it just makes everyone feel angry.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: Probably, how how Cooper washed has that decision and that
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: trade been is I mean, I know that Cooper flag
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: is not Luca, but has he been good enough, interesting
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: enough that it's taken some of the sting off for
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: the Mats.
• 57:15
  Speaker 8: It's a little bit of a salve, right, Like I
• 57:19
  Speaker 8: think there was that initial feeling just when they when
• 57:23
  Speaker 8: they got the number one pick, knowing that it was
• 57:25
  Speaker 8: going to be Cooper, like well, at least, you know,
• 57:28
  Speaker 8: Mavericks fans had a little bit of this thing taken away,
• 57:31
  Speaker 8: knowing that somebody was coming in had the potential to
• 57:34
  Speaker 8: be a generational player. But then you know, as the
• 57:38
  Speaker 8: season goes on and you watch the other duke guy
• 57:40
  Speaker 8: kind of fly ahead and he's gonna win Rookie of
• 57:42
  Speaker 8: the Year out of Charlotte for kan Ka Nipple, and
• 57:47
  Speaker 8: you're watching Luca be a part of the MVP conversation
• 57:50
  Speaker 8: for the season and doing great in LA and still
• 57:54
  Speaker 8: being Luca. I don't think that there's anything that can
• 57:58
  Speaker 8: really take the thing away.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: How does the MVP race look through the Sarah Todd Lands.
• 58:08
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's it's Shay and I don't think that
• 58:12
  Speaker 8: there's really any question about that at all. I think
• 58:15
  Speaker 8: that you know, had had Jokic maybe played a little
• 58:21
  Speaker 8: bit more, had that it would be more of a conversation,
• 58:25
  Speaker 8: and that's a little bit unfair, right like, But I
• 58:31
  Speaker 8: think the last couple of years, right it's been Shay
• 58:34
  Speaker 8: or Yokic, and it's been pretty clear that that was
• 58:38
  Speaker 8: the race this year. But really really close behind is
• 58:43
  Speaker 8: you know, a seven foot five alien who is going
• 58:48
  Speaker 8: to be even more of a part of the conversation.
• 58:50
  Speaker 8: I mean, Victor woman Yama is not even in his
• 58:53
  Speaker 8: prime at all. He's still like at the very early
• 58:56
  Speaker 8: stages of his career, and so I think that Shay
• 59:01
  Speaker 8: should be pretty pretty thankful that he's going to win
• 59:03
  Speaker 8: MVP this year, because you know, I don't think it's
• 59:06
  Speaker 8: going to be a runaway longer, much longer.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: When we talk about Victor Wibin Yama and the Spurs,
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: are they in your mind?
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: Are they how far ahead of schedule are they?
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Or even the head of schedule based on not only him,
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: but Castle and some of the other guys on.
• 59:23
  Speaker 8: That team, I think it feels it feels definitely ahead
• 59:28
  Speaker 8: of schedule. I talked about this. I was talking with
• 59:31
  Speaker 8: Howard Beck when I was filling in for Spense last
• 59:34
  Speaker 8: week and one of the questions I asked him. I
• 59:36
  Speaker 8: was like, I am fully in the camp that, like,
• 59:41
  Speaker 8: I want to believe that when we have these young
• 59:44
  Speaker 8: and exciting teams that it breaks the rules. We don't
• 59:48
  Speaker 8: have to say like, oh, they need to go through
• 59:51
  Speaker 8: and kind of get bumped in the playoffs and they
• 59:53
  Speaker 8: need to take their lumps. That's kind of like the
• 59:56
  Speaker 8: old NBA ism that you know has long been talked about.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 8: But I would love to watch the Spurs like make
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 8: it to the finals, make it to the Western Conference finals,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 8: really give Oklahoma City either a run for their money
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 8: or win the West. Like that would be so exciting
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 8: and it would break the rules. But this team already
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 8: does that. Victorium Binyama does break the rules, and so
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 8: it's very very exciting to me. And I was begging
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 8: Howard Beckley please be on my side, tell me that
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 8: the Spurs can do it, and he was like, oh,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 8: I'm already there. I agree with you. I think the
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 8: Spurs to do it this year, and so the sky's
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 8: the limit. But like to answer your question, this playoff
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 8: run this year is going to answer that right, like
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 8: are they really ready? Are they who we think that
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 8: they are? Because all of the pieces down there, they
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 8: just fit together so well. And even you know, talking
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 8: about like Dylan Harper, They've got a rookie who is
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 8: just fitting in and playing so well Castle the cell,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 8: Harrison Barnes, great depth piece for them. And like I said,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 8: Wenby breaks all the rules.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: All right, we're so close to the playoffs starting and
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: you know, figuring out all this suff What do you
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: mean you're not having You're not having a blast covering
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: this regular season?
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: What's going on?
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 6: Well?
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 8: You started the conversation out saying We've got a lot
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 8: of jazz to talk about, and I'm like, do we.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: I guess, I guess we really don't if we're being honest,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: maybe because we know exactly what's happening with them.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: We will get to the jazz.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: I promise here, but how many candidates are there to
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: dethron in Oklahoma City. We'll start within the West, and
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: then if you believe anyone from the East can do it,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: we'll talk about that as well. But you know, you
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: flirt with this idea that maybe San Antonio can What
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: about the Lakers?
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: What about the Nuggets?
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: Are the Rockets going to surprise all of us with
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: some insane playoff run. How many real contenders are there?
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think the Lakers are such an interesting situation
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 8: right now because I think for so long it was
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 8: about believing in Lebron, because Lebron hasn't proven that you
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 8: shouldn't believe in him. And then there was a couple
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 8: of years recently where it's like, well, maybe we just
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 8: shouldn't believe in Lebron anymore. And this season he's completely
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 8: switched the way that he plays. He is playing in
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 8: such a more deferential and to like have a deferential
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 8: Lebron James is like, you can't ask for a better
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 8: player who will be deferential, right, And so the way
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 8: that it is working with Luke and especially lately, it's
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 8: just it's been really awesome to watch and it's gonna
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 8: be really interesting in the playoffs. I don't think that
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 8: they're the deepest team, and I think they're probably at
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 8: the bottom of that top tier that I would say
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 8: could challenge the teams mentioned Nuggets, Spurs, Lakers. I think
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 8: that that is kind of the end of the challenger section.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 8: I don't really believe in the Rockets, I don't believe
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 8: in anyone else. Kind of at the bottom of the
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 8: playoff picture in the West, as far as it as
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 8: talking about like really challenging, okay see, And then in
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 8: the East, I mean, I guess, you know, because they're
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 8: not so far removed, and because Tatum must come back,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 8: I would think about the Celtics. Maybe I'm not sure
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 8: what to think about Detroit, especially because we don't know,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 8: like exactly when Kate is going to be coming back,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 8: and without Kid, I don't think that the Pistons stand
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 8: any sort of a chance. And I think if let's
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 8: say the Calves were to make it to the finals,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 8: let's say the Knicks were to make it to the finals,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 8: and anything like that, I think that it's possible for
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 8: any of those teams to make it to the finals.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 8: But I definitely wouldn't pick any of them over the Thunder.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: There's still a few Donovan Mitchell fans here in the
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: state of Utah, and he has not had a ton
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: of playoff success. Is this Cleveland team equipped to help him?
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: I guess shake that monkey at least partially off of
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: his back.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 8: Maybe. I wrote about this the other day and I
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 8: was talking with Donovan about it when he was here.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 8: He hasn't made it past the second round. This is
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 8: going to be his ninth year playing in the playoffs.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 8: He's made nine playoff appearances and he's never made it
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 8: past the second round. And he's a really great example
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 8: of how hard it is and how lucky a team
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 8: has to be in order to make a deep playoff run.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 8: Like there has to be health, there has to be
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 8: like this innate confidence and belief that a team has,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 8: like it has to really feel special and the players
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 8: have to believe it. And I know that sounds like
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 8: very woo woo, but it's true. And then there has
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 8: to be depths and there needs to be great performances.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 8: And it feels like every year of Donovan's career there's
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 8: been a couple of those pieces, but not all of
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 8: them at the same time. And if they can be
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 8: healthy heading into the playoffs, this could be a really
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 8: good opportunity for him to break past that second round.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 8: But it all has to come together perfectly, and yeah,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 8: there's just no telling. And in the East, really anything
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 8: can happen. I mean it's I have Western conference elitism,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 8: and so I never really believe in anyone from the East.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 8: But that also means that anyone can do anything in
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 8: the East.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: In my mind, Sarah Todda is our guest for a
• 1:05:52
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• 1:05:55
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• 1:05:58
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• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: We're going to use there as a fill in host.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: If that's allowed.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 8: I'll feel in anywhere.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: Twenty twenty two and twenty twenty four Utah Sportswriter of
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: the Year. Okay, let's talk a little Utah Jazz. I
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: heard you and Porter when you were filling in. You
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: were discussing this the very slim mathematical possibility that the
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: jazz position where they are right now could actually lose
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: the pick even if it stays where it's.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: At right now.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: Are we in a world where there's any type of
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: internal or even external fretting about that possibility.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 8: Yeah, there's there's definitely fretting. I mean less fretting I
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 8: think than than just mini school, just like the kind
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 8: of what if chance, because we're talking about like less
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 8: than a one percentage one percent chance that they lose
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 8: the picks, and so that's really good odds. That being said,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 8: like stuck in their mind is probably the fact that
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 8: you know, they're sitting at the lottery room and in
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 8: the Lottery broadcast ballroom in Chicago last year watching the
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 8: Dallas Mavericks with a nine percent chance win the number
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 8: one overall pick. Now that said, there's a big difference
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 8: between nine and less than one, but you know, there
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 8: still is a chance. That being said, like, it would
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 8: be so incredibly shocking if the Jazz were to lose
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 8: the pick. The best thing that they could have done
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 8: is have the fourth worst record in the league and
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 8: guarantee that they keep the pick. But having the fifth
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 8: worst record and you know, a ninety nine point four
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 8: percent chance of keeping the pick, that's that's almost as
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 8: good as possible.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: If you were in charge, And maybe some day you
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: will be which of the which of the picks that
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: are you know in that possibility would you be hoping
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: hardest for for this Utah Jazz? Obviously, and I mean
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: the players, not the number Obviously. You know there's a
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: certain element that's beyond their control. And I think you
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: got to be number one, possibly maybe number two to
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: get somebody like aj Debonca, which is on the wish
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: list for a lot of fans here, but I don't know,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: do you Are you as high on him as everyone else?
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: Who would you like to see in the Jazz uniform.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm pretty high on aj Debonza the player. I mean,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 8: it seems like he kind of has the the highest
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 8: skill level going straight into his rookie season. I don't
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 8: know if that means that he's going to be the best,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 8: but it seems like he's probably the most skilled right
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 8: away out of out of the high lottery picks. And
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 8: then it's weird to know what I would hope for
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 8: if I was in charge, because you know, of course,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 8: what you want is a player that you know is
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 8: going to help win you a championship. But when you're
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 8: looking at rookies, you don't really know which one is
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 8: going to be able to impact winning in that way
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 8: for five years down the road when they start to
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 8: enter their prime, right, And so that's hard to kind
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 8: of try and get the crystal ball out pro check that.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 8: And so I'm thinking about all the things that I
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 8: would be thinking about if I was in the Jazz
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 8: front office or a part of ownership or anything like that,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 8: Like if it's not a Jidabanta well, then cam Boozer
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 8: certainly would also have history in Utah. Ties you know
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 8: that merchandise is probably going to sell pretty well in Utah,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 8: and so I'm not thinking about it just as the
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 8: encore product, but you know, how well is it going
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 8: to do as a selling point for the team if
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 8: I'm thinking outside of that. I think that the player
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 8: that kind of rows the most for me through the
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 8: tournament of Houston's Kingston Flemings. I just I loved the
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 8: way that he played. I like that he is kind
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 8: of a fishing across the board. The one kind of
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 8: question that I have is would he be able to
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 8: shoot at a at a higher clip or shoot efficiently
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 8: but at a higher volume, because he's not a volume shooter.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 8: I think two or three attempts per game from be
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 8: on the three point line, and you'd want to see
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 8: kind of one of your guards or wings shoot a
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 8: little bit more than that. But man, he plays with
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 8: so much heart too, and he's just the kind of
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 8: player that seems like any fan base, no matter who's
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 8: going to get him, is he's just going to endear
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 8: himself to the fan base. And so I think that,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 8: you know, that's where my mind would go if if
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 8: it's not number one, and I end up kind of
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 8: in the mid tier between one and eight, maybe hope
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 8: for Camp Boozer, And if I fall a little bit
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 8: lower than that, I think the Kingston Flemmings is probably
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 8: the highest one that I would have.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: I don't know why I asked you about aj Debonsa.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: He may had an announcement on Twitter today that he's
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: coming back to BYU for a second season. I'm sure
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: that's not an April Fool's joke in any fashion, So.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah, not at all.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: What's your stance on sports April Fools jokes?
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 8: My stants on April Fools jokes in general are horrible.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 8: That's a bad idea. Don't do them. What a stupid,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 8: stupid holiday.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 7: Like.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 8: Also, if you are a pranking person, you're not saving
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 8: them up for one day of the year. You're doing
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 8: them all the time. Ask my husband, he loves it. Constantly,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 8: he's pranking me. And so I saw one of my
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 8: friends sent me a video today they went into work
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 8: and there's a box of donuts sitting on the counter
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 8: for everyone, and they open up and it's just vegetables
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 8: inside and it says Happy April Fool's Day, and I'm like,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 8: that's horrible. I would be so upset if I walked
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 8: into the office and thought I was getting a delicious
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 8: doughnut and instead saw carrot. And even just secondhand, I
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 8: saw that video all day. I've just been thinking about
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 8: donuts so horrible. I'm anti April Fools. If you think
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 8: you're a funny person, be funny year round, don't do
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 8: it just one day of the year.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: I would like to see the Jazz official account say
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: they're going back to the Neon jerseys for this year.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 8: Oh my god, there would be rioting in the street.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: The Hall of Fame class of Amari Stodemeier, Doc Rivers,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: Candice Parker, Elena Della don what do you think?
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 8: Yeah great. I feel like there's so so many times
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 8: that we hear the Hall of Fame class that I'm like, yeah, great,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 8: all of these people. And that's the thing, especially with basketball,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 8: there's never a shortage of people. And I mean especially
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 8: like I think when I saw the list come out,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 8: I thought, how is Kandice Parker not already in the
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 8: Hall of Fame. There's just I think every class, I
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 8: just assume that those people are already Hall of Fame players,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 8: and so yeah, put them all in, bring more people in,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 8: shorten the time that it takes to be able to
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 8: be nominated. Candice Parkers should have been a Hall of
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 8: Famer years ago?
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: Is this the nominees?
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: The finalists for this class were pretty interesting because even
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: like a Doc Rivers, is he a no brainer? He
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: doesn't feel I mean, he's eighth all time, I guess
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: and wins, he's got one championship, and that it feels
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: like that's not the highest bar for coaching.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: Is Doc Rivers a no brainer in your mind?
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 8: No? I don't think that, right. It's like any eye
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 8: of the beholder, Right, if you're gonna ask Celtics fans,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 8: they're probably gonna tell you, like, absolutely, he brought us
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 8: a championship like that is a Hall of Fame worthy.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 8: And so I think that there's many many people who
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 8: would see that as were the Hall of Fame. And
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 8: then going back earlier in his career, like any any
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 8: sort of accomplishments, win percentages, et cetera. And then there's
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 8: gonna be people who say, well, yeah, he had Ray
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 8: Allen and Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett, like uh, you're
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 8: getting into the Hall of Fame because you didn't mess
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 8: that up, right, Like, and then what have you done
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 8: for me lately? Uh? There there's a I think there's
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 8: a lot of players, even in the NBA that would
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 8: that would say that Talk Rivers has not done anything
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 8: for them, And so I think it's just in the
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 8: eye of the beholder. But I'd have to imagine that
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 8: a Celtics fan would will be very, very thankful for
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 8: what Doc did for them.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: Right before I let you go, as a as a
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: long standing Seattle Mariners fan, I just learned about your
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: your switch. Uh, how do you feel about the electronic
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: umpire the a B S in Major League Baseball? And
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: you know, when we talk about technology and officiating in
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: one sport, for me, my mind goes to, well, how
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: is this going to be applied to other sports? I
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: don't know if it'll ever sneak over into the NBA
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: in a meaningful way or as meaningful way as what
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: we're getting in baseball, But what do you think of
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: it in baseball?
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah? I like it. I mean I think that kind
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 8: of across the board in sports, like if there are
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 8: simple things where it can be implemented, and implemented well.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 8: And I think that the AVS system, I mean, it
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 8: seems like it seems like there was a lot of thought,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 8: especially when we're talking about it. It's been talked about
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 8: so much. Then the last week, right, is the measurement
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 8: and the testing that they went through to get the
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 8: strike zone perfectly for each player. And you know the
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 8: height that a bunch of player lost because of those measurements,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 8: and just the accuracy and kind of the amount that
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 8: we can see where the ball is grazing the edges
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 8: of that strike zone. That's incredible. That's useful, and I
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 8: love it. And I think that when you talk about
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 8: it in basketball, for example, like there are things that electronically,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 8: like if you're trying to examine goal pending or you know,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 8: out of bounds calls, Like if there's ways that we
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 8: can make it so that we're as accurate as possible
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 8: and any sort of like camera angle or you know,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 8: examining that we can do with technology that makes it
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 8: more correct, more often and it doesn't take up a
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 8: bunch of time, then yeah, I'm I'm all for implementing that.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 8: I don't want to do something that's going to add
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 8: a ton of review time, and I think.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 6: That the right now.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 8: I think the first week of games that they were
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 8: saying that the average ABS review was fourteen seconds. Great,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 8: absolutely wonderful. We're doing less than half a minute that
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 8: that's exactly where you want it to be.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate you giving us some time today, and I
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: look forward to our next chat.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I can't wait to be on for a Friday
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 8: so that I can complain about more stuff than just
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 8: April fool.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: We will give you opportunities to air grievances. I promise,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: because you still you're still on the mount rushmore of
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: all grievances aired so and.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 8: I've been saving it up too. I'm ready to go.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: We're just gonna call you on Friday just to air
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: the grievance, all right, so keep your phone on.
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• 1:17:37
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  Speaker 2: It's not good, not good. All right, lots of stuff
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  Speaker 2: to get to here. So we're going to really dive
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  Speaker 2: into the World Cup. All right now, most of you
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: you probably count on Spence check Its more than you
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: count on me to get your soccer expertise and your
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: soccer information. Okay, well for the World Cup, we're going
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: to be experts, kind of like we were with the Olympics.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: World Cu up to a different animal obviously. And by
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: the way, for those that are like, oh Ce doesn't
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: talk so you don't know soccer, we're having a special
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 4: soccer guest on Friday, So in your face there you go,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 4: in your yes, the one that someone that you all
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: know and love. By the way, that's all I'm giving you.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: Oh wow, Yeah, what a tease.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: US men's national team lost five to two.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: To Belgium two zero to Portugal last night. And here's
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: I figured out how and why. All right, there's all
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: these conversations happening about this being the most talented team
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: that we've ever had. We learned plenty of times now
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: with Utah football that when you say that you are
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: cursing a team. Hey, is this the most talented team
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: you've ever had?
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I think it is.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: Never once did any of those teams live up to
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: the expectation.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: Not once.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: It just there's some there's something about those particular words,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: that characterization of a roster. I think this might be
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: the motalented team that we've ever seen. They're gonna lose. Now,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: maybe they'll make it to a semi final. They're gonna lose.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: They're not gonna be a champion. If you want your
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: favorite team to be a champion, you have to say,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: you know, we got some issues, but I think we
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: I think we'll compete. Down got a downplay.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: Downplay it besides Utah football, Oh see, because I know
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: they're number one as far as your sports fandom go.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: Is there a team that you can think of that
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: was doomed by that?
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 6: Uh?
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: Well, that regular season Warriors team, best best team in
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: the in the regular season, they were doomed by their
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: own Hubris.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: Well, like that that you're you're like a fan of though,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: like that you were because the Warriors you covered them,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: so you you probably came to a certain affection.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, uh look, look we've seen it with BYU plenty
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: of times. Yeah that I'm not I'm not fitting into
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: your box of fandom. The San Francisco forty Niners have
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: several years been betting favorites to win a Super Bowl,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: and in recent history.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: That twenty three team maybe the one, the most recent
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl appearance team. I you and I were both like,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: I know, I know, I know Patrick mahomes Is. The
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: Niners don't have Patrick mahomes I know that, but they
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: have the best player on the field in every other position,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: that's right, So like why why.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: Got the best tackle?
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: They got the best running back, they got the best title,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: got the best linebacker, they got the best pass rusher. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: that's a good point.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: I I think I'm gonna have to think more on
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: in mine. In particular, maybe that twenty fifteen Ohio State
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: team that was defending their title the first college football
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: Playoff year they win the title and they bring basically
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 4: everybody back and then they only lose one game that year,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: but it knocks them out of the Big Ten championship
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: and they don't end up making the playoff.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 5: Maybe it was that team, So that's think cool. More
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 5: on that.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the plan, guys and gals.
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  Speaker 2: If you want the US men's national team to advance
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: out of pool play, you want them to be a
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: factor in this World Cup, you gotta start complaining about them.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: You gotta start being like, ah, we don't have to speed.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: A and and in different than complaining, hey, they don't
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: live up to expectations, because that's feeding into.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: The that's feed into that you're acknowledging the expectation and
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: you're thinking that the expectation is a valid thing.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: No, what you need to be.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: Doing in respect we don't have the we don't have
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: the goalkeeper. Sorry, we don't have the keeper to win it. Formations,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: they gotta go five two one, five.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: We gotta go. We gotta go. Mighty ducks, flying V.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: Gotta yeah, wait, not enough flying V for me to
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: believe in them, all right, exactly.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: Staying on the World Cup front, Italy was champions up
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: the World Cup.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: In two thousand and six, they won the World Cup.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, okay it despite zitading Don's efforts to head butt
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 9: them out of the game, they won that World Cup.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: And now we're heading into the third straight World Cup
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: where Italia, what four to five time winners, most recently
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: in two thousand and six, allegedly a big soccer nation,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: they are not even in the World Cup this year.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: They lost to Bosnia on pks and they're out. That
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: is three World Cups in a row that Italia will
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: not be on the world stage that look.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: And eliminated by fantastic soccer nations by the way. By
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: the way, Bosnia the the decider, scored by an American
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: of Bosnian heritage who played for the US men's team
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: and then was just like, ah, I'm not really killing
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: it over here, so I'm switching my nationality to Bosdia.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: This is this is karma from them there, from their
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: World Baseball Classic team that beat the beat team USA.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: Where you go with all USA players, basically, this is
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: that's karma for that.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: Just a bunch of dudes from Long Island.
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  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, So Italy is out for the third straight
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: World Cup. Bosnia eliminates him this year. Uh, North Macedonia.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: Can you can you point out North Macedonia on a map?
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: You spent a couple of years of your life in
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: Eastern Europe.
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  Speaker 5: I probably couldn't.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: I mean I might be able to in the old uh,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 4: the old maps in the back of the Bible and
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: the eight They haven't that I had. I looked at
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: a lot in church eight seven seven three five three
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  Speaker 4: zero seven hundred. Name for me one country that borders
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: North Macedonia right now?
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's see, is it?
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  Speaker 6: Uh?
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  Speaker 5: Is it Serbia?
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sir, Serbia does have a Okay, southern border is
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: North Macedonia. If I'm not mistaken, Okay, then I know
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: like the point of Serbia. Now now I've got my bearings, and.
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  Speaker 3: I did not know this.
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  Speaker 2: I did not like North North Macedonia is just right
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: above Greece, is it?
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: But here we are, Okay, North Macedonia eliminated Italy. Sweden
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: eliminated Italy Sweden. That's that's respectable soccer nation.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: Now Bosnia eliminated Italy. That is we have not had
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: this level of like crisis control on anything in the
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: United States. This is effectively, if like the US men's
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: basketball team, they were just like, oh, yeah, we didn't
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: qualify for the Olympics.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: Guys. Yeah, that's how much they care about soccer and Italy.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 5: That's what it would be.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: There was a ton of hand ringing when the US
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: men's national team last missed the World Cup with the
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: twenty eighteen cycle.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 5: There was a ton of that. But yeah, times that
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 5: by like ten thousand.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: But the rest of the world was looking at it
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: and just being like, yeah, us or whatever.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like that's not a thing.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: Soccer is not your thing, right, and they actually relish
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: in the fact that we're not good at soccer. Would
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: how would a petty Italian say, oh, it was soccer's
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: not your thing. It's a great I don't know. That
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: was me trying to get you to do your Italian accent.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 5: By sister Maria Italian accent.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 9: I will not not taking the bait.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 5: That's fine.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: So yeah, Bosnia, Sweden, North Macedonia they've done the honors
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: of eliminating Italy from the World Cup now three consecutive
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: World Cups. There is now sixteen year olds in Italy
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: that have never seen Italy play in a World Cup.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: Even their even their little gelatto runs are sad today. No, seriously,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 4: that is wild to think of almost anyone in Western Europe,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 4: any one of those nations missing the World Cup even
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 4: once is like no way but to do for an
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: like Italy to miss it three consecutive World Cups, like
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 4: the unbelievable.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: The biggest sports passion in Italy, The top one is soccer.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean after gladiators own.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: They're not notoriously passionate sport sporting people anyway, but still,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: like every nation has its main thing that they like
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: the best, and it's like it's like soccer and cycling
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: in Italy, right, Uh, I guess auto racing. Yeah, I
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: put that in a different category than I do like
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: the regular sports because it's so technologically dependent.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: But whatever, Yeah, women, Tommy Lloyd.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: Coaching Arizona through this Sweet sixteen Elite eight into the
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: Final four where he's got a tough test against Michigan.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: Remember Tommy Lloyd, Arizona head coach, was a Gonzaga loyalist
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: for two decades before finally taking his own head coaching
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: opportunity as the man wearing Wildcat blue. Now, there's a
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: lot of scuttle butt rumor. The North Carolina message boards
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: are all going bananas because Tommy Lloyd has not outright
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: denied his interest in North Carolina. He has not flat
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: out stated I'm at Arizona. I'm gonna stay at Arizona,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: I have no interest in North Carolina. Coaches are not
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: served to do that when their name is up for
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: a job. The right thing to do is to let
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: your agent handle it, to not mention it on the
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: positive or the negative, because it's either going to give
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: you the job in North Carolina or it's going to
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: give you an incredible amount of leverage to get a
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: raise from Arizona. In both cases, if you say I'm
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: not going to Chapel Hill, then you remove that leverage.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: So, if I'm an Arizona fan, I'm not freaking out
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: about Tommy Lloyd leaving. Yet, if I'm a North Carolina fan,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: I'm not celebrating him showing up at North Carolina yet.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: I think that if anyone on that short list of
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: elite candidates out there is more likely to stay at
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: their current post, it is Tommy Lloyd. Because that's what
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: has characterized his career. He's just been a dude that
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: stays put and builds in the long term. I don't
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: know what the money disparity would look like, but could
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: be significant. Do you think Tommy Lloyd's going to North Carolina?
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: I might, And I say I might because I'm just
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 4: not sure who the next head coach is going to be.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 4: It feels very up in the air, But I might
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: feel like Dusty May is more likely Michigan head coach
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: is more likely to leave than Tommy Lloyd. And it's
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: it's a combination of Yes, Tommy Lloyd has has earned
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 4: this reputation of I stay at one place for a
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 4: long time.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: He was.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 5: He was the lead assistant for Mark Feugh.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 4: Who, by the way, is in that in the Hall
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: of Fame class as well at Gonzaga for what a
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: couple of decades, and like the lead assistant of a
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 4: up and of an upstart program Gonzaga that's turned into
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: a borderline blue blood like that guy's getting a lot
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: of calls every year, right, So he probably turned down.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: A bunch of head coaching opportunities. He definitely did. Now,
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: he didn't turn down head coaching opportunities of the magnitude
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: that we're talking about now, North Carolina. Like, he didn't
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: turn down blue blood opportunities, but he turned down respectable
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: program opportunities.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: That baby, he could be one step away from taking
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: the Arizona job years ago if he'd ha taken that,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: if he had taken one of those jobs. Right, So
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 4: that there's that. But also we talked about this earlier
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: this week. As big a deal as North Caroline of
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 4: basketball is, you're kind of already at the North Carolina
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: of the West, right, You're already at one of those
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: places in Arizona.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: So how I wonder how people in Tucson would feel
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: about North Carolina of the West.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't they may not be quite.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: Carolina of the West. U. C. L A might fit
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: that better.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: But I'm I'm just for our purposes of saying he's
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: already at a destination place.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: Arizona's the Kentucky of the West. Yeah, just because they're
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: both wildcats. They're both wildcats. There you go, the Weaver
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: state of the No.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Uh, he he's already at one of those places.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: And we were talking about Arizona probably has comparable money
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 4: too to offer him. They're gonna they're gonna be able
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 4: to offer him a significant race just based on these
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 4: coaching rumors. He's a West Coast guy after spending all
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: those years again Saga, it doesn't feel like he's moving.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 4: I would I would bet that there's a better chance
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 4: that Dusty May leaves Michigan than Tommy Lloyd leaves Arizona.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: But that Dusty Bay might win the national championship, right
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 4: And it's like Tommy, yeah, why would he leave? He
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: just won the national championship And Michigan's not like a
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: terrible program unfortunately, So it's it.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: I mean either way, you're getting a little bit of
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: the Lane Kiffin to LSU thing here. Yeah, because if
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: you're talking about a Michigan coach wanting to leave, if
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: you're talking about an Arizona coach wanting to leave, those
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: programs right now are more dialed, more successful than North
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: Carolina right now. Yeah, And that was the case this
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: past year when you're headed to the College Football Playoff
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: Miss with Old Miss and the coaching staff. Lane Kiffins
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: specifically is just like that's better at LS, Like, what
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: are you talking about? LSU's trying to get to where
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: you are.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 4: And that might be Michigan might be closer to ole
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: Miss football. Michigan basketball might be closer to ole Miss
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 4: football than Arizona, certainly than Arizona basketball is, so that
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 4: might be the comp the comparison. I'm sure there will
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: be that kind of that kind of handwringing response in
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 4: ann Arbor if Dusty May were to leave, especially if
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 4: they win the national championship.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 5: But that.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: It feels to me that's the more likely guy out
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: of the two. And like I said, it's so up
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 4: in the air, and North Carolina has their pick of
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: the litter. It could end up being someone else, right,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: It could be Billy Donovan from the Chicago Maybe they
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: convinced Billy Donovan to leave the Chicago Bulls and come
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: back to college. It could be Todd Golden from Florida.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 4: I've heard like.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: It isn't necessarily Dusty may or Tommy Lloyd. All Right,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: we're gonna take a break here in just a second.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: We've got some Tomizo sound on the other side. But
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: our last thing for the Daily Dump, I have to
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: give you this. The NFL has something called the Global
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: Markets Program.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you've ever seen this, James.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: But what they do is they selectively give their teams
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: marketing rights in foreign countries to try to build a
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: fan base in those countries. Okay, And I don't know why.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: There's what method or madness there is to this. I
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: don't know how the selection process is done. But this
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: is what the map looks like for twenty twenty six. Okay, Argentina,
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: only one team gets to market direct to Argentina, that
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: is Miami Dolphins. Maybe there's a huge Argentine XPAC community
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: in South Florida.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: Maybe that makes sense.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: Australia and New Zealand both have Raiders, Rams, Eagles, Seahawks.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: How did the Philadelphia Eagles sneak in there? It would
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: make way more sense if it was the Niners. Then
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: you got all the West Coast.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 4: Teams, like all western West Coast Western United States, and
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: then the Eagles, Austria, Lions, Colts, Chiefs, Patriots, Seahawks, Buccaneers. Okay,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 4: Brazil is Lions, Dolphins, Eagles, Patriots. Now we're starting to see,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 4: based on this map though, we're starting to see why
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 4: they choose certain teams to go play in certain places
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 4: in these international games. Yeah, like the Eagles had played
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 4: in Brazil a couple of years in a row. Now,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 4: well they're they're territories Brazil.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: You better let them market if you're gonna make them
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: go play there right. Oh, by the way, the Niners
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: have to play in Australia this year. They're not allowed
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: to market directly to Australia.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 4: Automatic like instantly a hole in what I just said
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 4: that it's incredible.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 5: But I know what Rams are playing. I guess is
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 5: what that is?
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: Only one team gets to mark directly to China. That
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: is the La Rams all right, Columbia Dolphins. So I
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: think the Latin American countries they just figure pilil everyone's
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: from South America is going to Florida. I think is
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: maybe they're logic here. Uh, this one is amazing.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: France.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: I guess which team gets the market directly to France
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: The New Orleans Saints, which, of course with the Florida
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: Lee logo and the Cajun culture of course, okay, makes sense,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: that's but but no, like France is a big deal,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: Like you don't you don't load up on that on
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: that country. You just you just give them one. Now, Germany,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of NFL fans in Germany. They've gotten
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: a lot of traction in Germany. They've done some games
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: in Germany, three or four years in a row, they've
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: had a game there now. Falcons, Panthers, Lions, Packers, Colts, Chiefs, Patriots, Giants, Steelers, Seahawks, Buccaneers, teams.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know why if you're going to give like that, many,
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: like the UK, Mexico and Germany all have a bunch
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: of teams.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: Just let everyone do it.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: But Ghana, only the Eagles can market in Ghana. Only
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: the Chargers can market in Greece. Ireland's got Packers, Jaguars, Chiefs, Titans, Jets, Steelers,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: Italy who missed the World Cup again.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: Browns, any chance we can to bring that up, Browns
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: and Saints. Browns and Saints in.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: Japan where they have their own they have their own
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: football league in Japan.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: You would think.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: That that the NFL would be trying to make greater
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: inroads in Japan because they already have an American football
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: presence in Japan.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: Only the Rams in Japan.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: Mexico is Cardinals, Cowboys, Broncos, Texans, Chiefs, Raiders, Rams, Dolphins, Steelers, Niners.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: I already told you who knows only one team gets
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: to market directly to Nigeria. This one makes a lot
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: of sense. It's the Browns. Yeah, South Korea belongs to
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: the Rams. Spain is Bears, Chiefs, Dolphins.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 4: And of course they speak Spanish there too, So Miami,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: go ahead, you can have them.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: The United Arab Emirates, the Rams, the Raiders, the Niners
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: and the Commanders.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 4: It's like the Eagles of Australia, just like, what and
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 4: an NFC East team?
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 5: Why not?
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: What are we doing here? Anyway? Those are the global markets.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: Can I tell you the funniest thing about this, if
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken, the Chargers only get one country.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's Greece's.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: They also play in LA and they've been in southern
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: California way longer than the Rams.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 5: Have been in Southern California. And yet the Rams are
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 5: the ones.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 4: That get all the the East Asia countries. And if
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 4: you and then in Australia, who's not that far from there, right,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 4: So it's like, first first glance, you're like, oh, okay, it
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 4: makes sense.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 5: They put an LA team.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 4: Make it put LA Japan, China, Australia. But then you're like,
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 4: hold on, how come the Chargers don't get the market there.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: You know, it's awesome.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: It's the same city, the Vikings Stadium. The Vikings only
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: get to market to the United Kingdom.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 5: That's another Yeah. And the Jags too. I think the
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 5: Jags have too.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: The Jags have Ireland in the UK like the Titans
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: have one spot. I mean, it's funny that these decisions
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: have been made this way where it's just like Arizona Cardinals. Sorry,
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: you get Canada and Mexico. Nobody else cares about you
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: and my colts.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 4: Just if you speak German and you're in that country, the.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 5: Cults are your team.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: Austria, Switzerland and Germany for the Indianapolis.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 5: So fine, all right?
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 6: Cool?
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: I would love I want this job, Okay, I want
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: I want.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 5: You to worm it it up every two years, just
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 5: just for randomness thing.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: I want to work in the NFL's Global Markets program.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: I want to be like, you know what I'm gonna
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: you gotta fly me to Australia. I'm gonna walk around
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: in Philadelphia Eagle shirt and see if anyone even knows
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: who the bleep that is. All right, do we have time,
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: Let's let's make time. Do we have time for Tom
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: Mizzo sound all right, we'll do it quick. In the
• 1:41:37
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• 1:42:43
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• 1:42:56
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  Speaker 6: Now.
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  Speaker 10: I think I'm just too to retire, you know, Like
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 10: I feel good to be honest with you, Dan, I
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 10: still have the energy, I still love my players. I
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 10: don't love my profession, but that's three out of four
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 10: hour on my side. So I got to deal with
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 10: the profession. Like Ryan said, adapt somewhat, but adapt doesn't
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 10: mean all of a sudden, there's no rules, there's no accountability.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 5: I mean what we're going through now.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 10: I mean, anytime there's a problem, just get a lawyer
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 10: and fix it, you know. And I guess lawyers must
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 10: be that good. Or judges.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: You mentioned the lawyers, which you never want to hear
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: head coaches having to talk about if we're being honest,
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: and I mean he's trying to be facetious and joke
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: a little bit there, talk about his own stubbornness and
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: refusal to retire. But I think that sentiment is what
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: you get privately and now even publicly from some coaches,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: where like basketball guys love bad skipball, football guys love
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: football coaches, either genuinely or they delude themselves into believing
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: that they're about the kids. They're about the young people,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: and they like the player development thing, they like the
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: mentoring thing. But nobody likes the systems that have started
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: to push hard and manipulate the outcomes of college sports.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: The nil stuff, the random agents that don't have any
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: kind of like checks and balances against them right now,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: and the television deals that have motivated a lot of
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: this arms race. When it comes to spending and recruiting,
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: spending and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 3: Nobody likes it.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: And the coaches stick around because the money's good enough
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: and there's never a reason to leave when you're making
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: that kind of crazy money. But I don't know, it's
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: it's fascinating to hear tom Izzo say it the way
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: he said it.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 4: What stood out to me listening to it on the
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 4: way in and then and then finding it too to
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 4: play on the show later was he said, I don't
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 4: like my profession. He said, he likes coaching, but he
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 4: doesn't like his profession. Which, if if you're not thinking
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 4: about it that deeply, you're going, well, that's the same
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 4: thing you if you don't like your profession, that you
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: don't like coaching. But what he's speaking to is how
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 4: the profession has changed to more than just I got
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 4: to focus on basketball and finding great basketball players to
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 4: play on my team. And hats off to him for
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 4: sticking it through, by the way, because right before this
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 4: part of the clip, Dan tells him, Hey, Jay Wright retired,
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 4: Nick Saban retired, you know, And tom Izzo's like, yeah,
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 4: I hate this, but I want to try to figure
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 4: out how to be successful in it, which is you
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 4: gotta give him credit for that. Ky Whittingham kind of
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 4: cut from the same clut that way.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and when these guys are all retired
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: and they like, we will get insight onto why they
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: stayed as long as they stayed.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: That's beyond just like what we think or beyond what
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: we know.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: And I look forward to those conversations, those revelations. But
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: for now, tom Izzo sticking around, hanging on by the
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: skin of his teeth, despite not liking a lot of
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: these influences and these external forces.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: All right, we're headed.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: Toward a Utah Mammoth playoff run. Almost certainly we'll get
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: to what makes it a full certainty with Adrian Denny
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: and Between the Pipes. Next, it's the Shan O'Connell Show
• 1:46:42
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• 1:46:51
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  Speaker 5: What's up Sewan? How's it going man?
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  Speaker 12: It's going well. Good to see you, Great to see you.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 12: Thanks for having me. Always look forward to this. You
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 12: get to Wednesday, I gotta go see Sean, have my
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 12: piece of pizza before over at so Yeah, got a
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 12: nice little routine. Just a great day. Nobody loves Wednesdays
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 12: more than me.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: Mammoth coming off a big win over the Kings on
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: the road, they're headed to a Pacific Northwest wing. Right here,
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: we'll focus on the six to two victory against the
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: La Kings.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 5: What you like a lot to like. Obviously, in that King, it.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 12: Was just the way that they hit the reset button
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 12: and got going again, like they've done so many times
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 12: this year. After a disappointing loss, they've they've gone onto
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 12: the road and by a good game, nothing's lingered with them,
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 12: which is why they've they've been able to maintain the
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 12: playoff spot that they've been in since early January really
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 12: and consecutively since February second. Is just that their ability
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 12: to be, you know, consistent, especially after a loss. So
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 12: saw a game against LA that they liked how they
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 12: just kind of shut the Kings down and took it
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 12: to them. Obviously, in the NHL, when you win a
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 12: game six to two, something something is off because games
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 12: are engineered to be one goal games. So if you
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 12: beat a team six to two, you're taking it to them.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 12: They're kind of stuck in the mud, maybe not getting
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 12: a save or two, but to go out and do
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 12: it and finish it off was impressive, regardless of LA
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 12: having an off night as they have so many times
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 12: this year at home. Last year they had the best
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 12: home record they've ever had, and this year they're gonna
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 12: have the worst home record. They've ever had. Sometimes you
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 12: just can't figure stuff out. So La was starting a
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 12: big seven game homestand trying to get above the playoff line.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 12: The Mammoth went in and took it to him, but
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 12: for the final fifty seven plus minutes tape to tape.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: So I don't think there was a lot of like
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: handwringing or worry about how complete the recovery would be
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: for Logan Cooley or how significant he would be when
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: he came back. But a couple of goals in this game,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: and it feels like he's back in full swing. But
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: would you say that none the worse for the wear
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: after the misstime for the injury.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 12: It was great to see Saturday with the two goals
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 12: getting him up to twenty on the year for his
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 12: third straight season in the NHL, and and the power
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 12: play goal that he got on on Thursday night against
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 12: the Caps kind of got things ticking. So great to
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 12: see that. And and how about this, So see there
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 12: are four active players in the NHL who have had
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 12: twenty plus goal seasons their first three years, and be
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 12: American Cooley, Austin Matthews, Jack Eichel, Patrick Kane. So that's
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 12: the company that that Cooley's in and he missed, as
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 12: you said, twenty eight straight games, and I think I
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 12: think for him it's been an adjustment coming back. And
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 12: you know, head coach Andre Attorney's been looking for that
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 12: perfect combination with Gunther and Cooley. He puts uh Kylie
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 12: Amamoto up with him to see if they could get
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 12: some stuff cranking, and it did, putting JJ Peterka back
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 12: on the third line with McBain and Carconi. So definitely
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 12: just to see Cooley popping the puck in the net
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 12: as he was before he got hurt. He was leading
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 12: the team in goals in December before he got hurt,
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 12: So to have three in the last last two games
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 12: is a good sign. Mammoth up to six twenty goal
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 12: scores that leads the NHL.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, So we're we're looking at a situation with this
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: Mammoth team where you're number one in the wild card
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: spot right now, you got some hockey left to play.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: How likely that they stay there, that they flirt with
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: something better or potentially something worse.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 12: I think they're one of a handful of teams in
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 12: the NHL right now that realistically probably are setting their
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 12: spot in the first wild card, with the five point
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 12: lead on Nashville and the sixth point lead on the
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 12: Field of Chasers. Uh, you know, they've got a pretty
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 12: favorable schedule. That game against Las they they've called it
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 12: kind of the blueprint game. That's the game they want
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 12: to play every single night. So I think they're they're
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 12: comfortable in their spot to a point that I think,
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 12: you know, with just over two weeks left in the season,
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 12: they're gonna be able to manage the lineup a little bit.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 5: Give give some guys some some rest.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 12: Potentially that game in Calgary on Sunday, April twelfth, which
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 12: is a back to back after playing at home the
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 12: night before, give some guys some some rest, manage cral
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 12: Viamalca a little bit. But but I think they're I
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 12: think they're pretty solid. I think we we saw them
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 12: kind of go up and down in March because they
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 12: were kind of solidified in that first spot. Nobody was
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 12: really the threat and nobody, nobody in the West was,
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 12: you know, rolled off a string of wins that that
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 12: put him, you know, really into a threatening spot against Utah,
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 12: which you know, you you see that it's springtime, it's sunny,
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 12: playoffs are on the horizon less than a month away,
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 12: and you know they they led in fourteen to the
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 12: fifteen games in March, but only won seven of them.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 12: So uh, just kind of that urgency that that kind
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 12: of kind of the jam of you know, playing the
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 12: complete game and putting teams away was was wasn't as
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 12: detailed as it as it has been, because going into March,
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 12: Utah won double digit wins in a row, had double
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 12: digit wins in a row when scoring the first goal.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 12: They they'd scored first, never looked back, and in March
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 12: kind of went up and down. As you know, they
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 12: played some teams that were battling for playoff position, trying
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 12: to get above the line, and Utah is you know,
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 12: solidified in that first spot with nobody really chasing them down.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 12: So maybe I think there was a little bit of
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 12: just kind of an exhale once the Mammoth got into
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 12: March and started looking at looking at the standings a
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 12: little bit. And you know, now with eight games left
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 12: in April, going in, you know, you've got you've got
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 12: some games that I think you can use his tune
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 12: ups win them and also manage manage your lineup a
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 12: little bit as you get into the last week or so.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: So even as you're trying to manage that lineup right
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: and get a little rest here or there, like I imagine
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: you're preparing yourself mentally in some ways physically for a
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: playoff run here and you got to take a series
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: by series, but hopefully you're not just hey, we're happy
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: to be here in the playoffs. There's a team that
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: could go out, they could win a series. I don't
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: know if we're going to talk about them making a
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: Stanley Cup run in this first foray into the playoffs,
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: but uh, what what is the thing that you know
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: when you look at the big picture that you need
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: this team to improve upon so they get closer to
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: the real Stanley Cup contenders as we head into that
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: playoff era.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 12: I think the longer that they can stay in the playoffs,
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 12: the better, which is why I think you want to
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 12: play Anaheim in the first round right now is the
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 12: first wild card the Pacific Division champion is who they
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 12: would play. Anaheim leads Edmondson by two points, with Anaheim
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 12: having played one fewer game than the Oilers. But Edmonson
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 12: kind of got things back on track when they were
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 12: here last week. They've now won four in a row.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 12: So I think that's one thing to watch for. Edmonton
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 12: is a team that the Mammoth have never beaten. They're
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 12: going to see him again on Tuesday, April seventh, less
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 12: than a week when they return home, So so a
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 12: chance there to you know, give it another crack against Edmonton.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 12: They've led in four of the five games that they've played.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 12: The Oilers just haven't been able to.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 5: Put them away.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 12: And Edmonton's kind of a team, as we've talked about,
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 12: that kind of goes up and down. So if I
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 12: think you really want the Anaheim matchup a team that
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 12: you've lost to in regulation once in two seasons, uh,
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 12: kind of kind of cut out of the same mold
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 12: as Utah. Some young stars, but some guys that have
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 12: made the playoffs before. And then you know, I think
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 12: the longer you could you can stretch that series, potentially
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 12: win it, get to the second round, play the winner
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 12: of two three in the Pacific.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 12: That that's what I think O see for for the
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 12: Mammoth success. Long term plan is stay in the playoffs
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 12: for for as long as you can. I think you'll
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 12: you'll pick up some stuff that you can take as
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 12: you start to make this move into contending status.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 3: I know there's nothing for it right now if there
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 3: are still issues here.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: But when you when you look at your lines and
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: you look at your line up, do they have now
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: the blue line they need in playoff hockey? Is the
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: goalten where it needs to be in playoff hockey. Scoring
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 2: is going to be the main driver for everyone as
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: they try to advance. And again this is a little
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: premature because you got eight regular season games left. But
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: if you are going to make tunes and tweaks and
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 2: maybe switch up some of the lines, I would imagine
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: coach Bear does that before you get into that matchup
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: against the Anaheim.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 12: But you tell me, yeah, defense, I think is exactly
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 12: where you want it to be. And why general manager
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 12: Bill Armstrong has made the moves that he's had. All
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 12: six defensemen have playoff experience. Dersey is the player with
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 12: the least amount of playoff experience, and he's qualified for
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 12: the postseason in two seasons, both both with LA. You
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 12: got Mackenzie Wiegers is a guy that's you know, got
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 12: half a dozen trips to the Stanley Cup playoffs. You
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 12: got Nate Schmidt got John Marino, who's you know, got
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 12: four seasons of playoff experience. So the defense, it's it's
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 12: all there. It's you couldn't want anything more. You've got it. Goaltending,
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 12: it's gonna be carell Ma Malchus first uh, first soiree
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 12: into the into the playoffs. So that's that's gonna be
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 12: something to watch for.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: And they're gonna ride him to the wheels fall off
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: in in whatever playoffs series.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 5: However many playoffs series they can.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 12: Right, yeah, yeah, you go with your guy, and uh,
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 12: he's starting every single game an occasion, Uh, in the playoffs,
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 12: you'll unfortunately see you know, you give up six to
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 12: seven goals, you put in the backup.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 5: In the middle of the game.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 12: He starts the next game, right, But but the plan
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 12: would be for your starter to go out there and
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 12: ride for the forwards. It's gonna be you know, there's
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 12: guys like Alexander Kerfoot, who you know, have made the
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 12: playoffs half a dozen times. Kylie Yamamoto was there with Edmonton,
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 12: Connor McDavid and Leon dry Sidel, Brandon tannev has made
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 12: the playoffs in six of eight seasons. But for your
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 12: you know, the core of your offense, Gunther cooleye Turca.
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 12: It's gonna be their first trip. Keller, Schmaltz, Krause, Hayton
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 12: participated in the playoffs in the bubbles, the Bubble season
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 12: of nineteen twenty where COVID suspended the season in March
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 12: and it resumed in July in Edmonton in the bubble,
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 12: so there wasn't really that stretch run going down the
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 12: stretch of Keller, Krause, Hayton and Schmaltz, you know, having
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 12: to play that grind out hockey to qualify. Because twenty
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 12: four of the thirty two teams in the league made
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 12: the playoffs, they wouldn't have been in it in a
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 12: normal year. And then they played in the playoffs, they
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 12: won a series, they beat Nashville. But it was in
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 12: the bubble. There were no fans, they didn't have a
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 12: general manager. It was right for Bill Armstrong got hired.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 12: So they won a series and they played in that
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 12: one year. But you know, that's that's different than Stanley
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 12: Cup playoffs as we know them.
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: I remember, I mean several months ago we were talking
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: about the Florida Panthers and being like, ah, they'll figure
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: it out av now, huh, and they haven't figured it
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: out eventually. Is it as simple as they played too
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 2: much extra hockey these last three years.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 12: I think so, and that the injuries and the injuries
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 12: for them just keep piling up like it seems like
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 12: every game they have two more guys get hurt. And
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 12: now they've got six guys, uh seven, eight maybe more
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 12: that they're just done for the season, to the point
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 12: that I think they're out of emergency situations to call
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 12: people up with roster space and salary space. It's it's
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 12: interesting because you have had Edmonton who struggled. They're in
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 12: a playoff spot. They've never been out of it. This
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 12: year it's it's Edmonton, it's Canada. There's drama. But but
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 12: for Florida, they won those two Cups and they thought
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 12: they'd make the playoffs this year. They thought they'd be fine.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 12: Keep in mind when they made the playoffs three years
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 12: ago and went to the final against Vegas, they didn't
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 12: qualify till the last last game of the year, that
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 12: some stuff had to happen on the scoreboard for them
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 12: to even make it. So probably probably probably trying to
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 12: do it again this year without Matthew Kischuk for the
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 12: first half their captain Alexander Barkoff. But yeah, man, the
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 12: Wheels have just kind of kind of fallen off. Sir
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 12: Gabra Rofsky hasn't had a great year, but I think
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 12: you look at it. Yeah, they played played a lot
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 12: of hockey. But the interesting thing is since they won
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 12: the two Cups, they kind of get the free pass.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 12: Versus Edmonton losing in the final, it's like, what the
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 12: heck is wrong.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 3: With you guys?
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean it kind of like it makes sense.
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: They Florida's playing in front of like an empty arena
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: right now, and those fans showed up when they're winning,
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 2: but they're just like it was like.
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 5: It's South Florida.
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 12: Yeah, fine, you have the Miami Dolphins, right, you got
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 12: you got all that stuff down there. It's when it when,
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 12: when the moment's there, South Florida will be there. Right
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 12: in Edmonton, it's they're there. They're there, and there's lots
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 12: of lots of attention to them.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 3: There's uh, they scored.
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: The Panthers scored five goals in the first period against Ottawa,
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: which is nuts.
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 12: And that was a tough game for Ottawa to lose
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 12: because they're in that cluster of teams separated by two
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 12: points trying to get above the playoff line to the east,
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 12: and Florida's up to nothing two and a half minutes
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 12: in which for Ottawa it's been what are they going
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 12: to get from night to night in terms of their
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 12: goal setting. So that was that was a really tough,
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 12: tough loss for them and everyone everyone around. Ottawa lost,
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 12: making it, you know, basically an extra important game because
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 12: you had those opportunities to grab the points and you didn't.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 12: But anyway, we're not here to talk about the senators
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 12: of the Panthers.
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: Back to the Utah Mammoth. You know, well, it's more
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: Mammoth adjacent. I suppose we were talking about it yesterday.
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 2: Macklin Celebrini is nineteen years old and scored one hundred
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 2: points already this year, and he's only the sixth guy
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 2: in the NHL to do it as a teenager, putting
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: him next to like Hall of Fame names. This is
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: someone you're gonna have to deal with for the foreseeable
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: future in the West and potentially sooner than later in
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: playoff scenarios for this Utah Mammoth. And I look, I
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: know you're watching a lot of hockey centering on the Mammoth.
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 2: But I know you've seen what the Sharks and Macklin
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: Celebrini have put together.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 3: I think a little ahead of schedule.
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 12: I mean you look at the box score every single night,
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 12: it's the first intermission and he has three points and
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 12: they were in a playoff spot.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 5: I thought, on honestly in January, watch out for.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 12: The Sharks like that that team with Mac on Celbriny,
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 12: that's the scariest team of the West.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 5: And their D their D was, you know, it was
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 5: just okay.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 12: Some I wouldn't say there were holes, but just okay
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 12: decor goaltending. I really like their starter Yaroslav Askaroff, and
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 12: and upfront. They made that trade they got a key
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 12: for surewood from from Vancouver, which was nice and nice,
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 12: you know, goal scorer to add and just consistency kind
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 12: of down the stretch for him. I think, uh just
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 12: just caught up to him. The thing I look at
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 12: with the Sharks, like Mac and Celebrini one hundred one
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 12: points in seventy two games. Will Smith the second youngest
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 12: guy they have, the twenty year old. He's their second
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 12: leading scorer with fifty one points in fifty nine games,
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 12: so I think they can add another d man or
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 12: two just to help out their their goal to which
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 12: has been a little inconsistent. Uh yeah, San Jose, you
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 12: don't want to say that they tanked for a couple
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 12: of years, but the roster was pretty suspect, and they
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 12: got some good ping pong balls to bounce their way.
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: What do you make of the timing and the decision,
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: But the timing, especially of the Golden Knights firing Bruce
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: Cassidy and hiring Torts.
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 5: There's one organization that do that. It's Vegas.
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 12: It's their fourth head coach they've had since twenty seventeen.
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 12: They fired Gerard Gallant, you know, within a year and
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 12: a half of him taking them to the Stanley Cup
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 12: Final as an expansion team. Then they replaced him with
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 12: Pete de bor who'd been fired a couple weeks earlier
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 12: by San Jose. And then they got rid of him
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 12: and they brought in Bruce Cassidy, who had been dismissed
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 12: after a fifty plus win season in Boston. And so
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 12: then they bring in John Tortorella. Peter de Boorr was
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 12: the name that everybody thought was going to be the
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 12: plug for a team like this that makes coaching change.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 12: But they already fired him once, not that they could
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 12: have brought him back, and towards kind of caught everybody
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 12: off guard, I think. And listening to the NHO insiders
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 12: of were they surprised, I guess not. Did they think
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 12: the move probably comes after the playoffs most likely, But gosh,
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 12: that's a group down there that does things their own
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 12: way and no feelings, no emotions, just be in the moment.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 12: Thanks for that, Stanley Cup in twenty twenty three, Bruce.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: All right, back to the Mammoth before we turn you loose.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 2: It's the Pacific Northwest, Seattle, Vancouver the rest of this week,
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: and then Edmonton, who you've already mentioned, and the Mammoth
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 2: difficulties against Edmonton, Nashville, Carolina and a little home stand
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: next week. I'll theirro the Calgary and you finish out
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 2: the regular season back home Winnipeg and Saint Louis. So
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 2: you're coming right down this home stretch. How many points
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: do you need?
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 12: I think if you win five of eight, you've got
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 12: some positive momentum headed into the playoffs. That's what I
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 12: think it is right now, right, you don't want to
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 12: go into the playoffs losers of six of eight, seven
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 12: of ten. It's just it's just not a good way
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 12: to start things off. It's if you win five of eight,
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 12: you're feeling good, you have some more of those blueprint games,
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 12: you can rest some guys, you can give Veggie a
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 12: night off or two. I think I think you're happy
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 12: with it. It's for me, it's you're staying in the
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 12: first spot. So it's just all about what can you
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 12: do to enter the playoffs in the best position, with
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 12: the best energy and you know, the best momentum. And
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 12: one more thing about Vegas because I missed this again
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 12: on our podcast when we were talking about it, I'd
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 12: be like, how did I How did I miss this?
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 5: How did I not say this?
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 12: When when they played Utah a couple of weeks ago
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 12: and the Mammoth beat him four nothing something was off
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 12: with Vegas Like it was just something was off and
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 12: their goaltending was terrible. It's been terrible, like worst in
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 12: the NHL, but some was off just in the way
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 12: that the team was going. So to come back to that,
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 12: because I don't want to miss it on two shows
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 12: in a row, because I go back and listen to
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 12: our stuff to figure out, Okay, what do I need
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 12: to say on the next show that I missed here?
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 12: So I'm very awkwardly coming coming back around to it.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 12: But something was off with Vegas and their energy, and
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 12: you know, you've heard some folks say that maybe Bruce
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 12: Cassidy burned some guys out and they were they were done,
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 12: and the team sought and made a change, like, Okay,
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 12: this isn't working. We still want to make a playoff run.
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 12: So thank you, thank you for giving me that extra
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 12: twenty seconds.
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: Because another thing, special teams are in a good, better,
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: much better place than after the Olympic break. You're, yeah,
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 2: power plays looking much better, right, Yeah, you're.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 12: Doing power plays five for the last nine and the
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 12: penalty kill is the best in the NHL since March fifteenth.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 12: So if you can even keep those things even, you're
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 12: you're doing pretty decent. Plus, as things tighten up in
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 12: the playoffs and offense is harder to generate. If you
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 12: can get a power play goal or two or kill
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 12: a big penalty or two to to keep a lead,
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 12: that's this is the time of year when you need
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 12: your special teams to make a difference and you can't
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 12: necessarily do what Utah did the first sixty five seventy games,
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 12: and that is just have one off of your five
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 12: on five play Special teams can can be a reason
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 12: that that helps you win into the playoffs. It's it's
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 12: more glaring because things are tighter.
• 2:10:11
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• 2:10:41
  Speaker 2: Up next, former NFL referee Jeff Triplett as the NFL
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 2: and the Referees.
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 3: Union that are at a bit of an impasse currently.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 2: Is this something we're gonna have to worry about come
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 2: August and September. Donal o'connells Show continues on ESPN seven
• 2:10:56
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• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: You tune to the Shan O'people Show from the Murdoch
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• 2:11:18
  Speaker 2: Got some trivia to giveaway Weezer tickets coming up in
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 2: about fifteen minutes. But before we get there, We're lucky
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: you have to welcome Jeff Triplett, former NFL referee. The
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 2: NFL owners and the Referees Association are at an impasse.
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 2: NFL owners have been quoted as saying their alarmed by
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: the state of negotiations right now, and the last time
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 2: the league had to go to replacement officials it was
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: not exactly positive pr for the league or the game itself.
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 2: And Jeff our guest was actually an active referee when
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: that happened and also has been active in these negotiations
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 2: in the past. So the perfect person to discuss Jeff,
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 2: welcome back to the show.
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 3: How are you?
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 6: Thanks, John, Great to be back.
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: So it's a reductive question. But how big a problem
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: is this? You know we're sitting it's April Fool's Day,
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 2: We're sitting at April first, the owner meetings are happening,
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 2: and we got I guess plenty of time from the
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: micro perspective until the season started. But this is a
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: big issue, so the timeline. How concerned would should we
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 2: be as NFL fans?
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 6: Well, I think a little concerned that it's unfortunate that
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 6: it appears to me that the league has kind of
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 6: taking a hard stand to say, talking about things that
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 6: really aren't the issues here. I think it's probably more
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 6: along the lines of compensation and then just making sure
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 6: that folks are treated fairly. This idea that folks aren't
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 6: being in value and the best officials aren't into playoffs
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 6: and they don't get enough time to train, all, that's
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 6: just that's that's a guardbage. If that was the case,
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 6: they'd have a heck of a lot of worst problem
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 6: than then they have. Then they're they're thinking about having
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 6: with having scams come in and take over.
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: When when we're talking about officiating in the NFL, it's
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 2: a it's a moving goalposts, right because these guys are
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 2: tasked with being the best in the game. But every year,
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 2: the competition Committee and the fans and the owners and
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 2: the coaches, and there's these debates about what are we
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 2: going to do with the kickoff, what are we going
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 2: to do with the onside kick. What are we going
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 2: to emphasize this year, What's something we got to take
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 2: out of the game, What's something we want to see
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 2: more in the game. When when we're talking about, you know,
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 2: the the task of being an NFL official with respect
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 2: to changes in the game, how how heavy a load
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: is that for the the Referees Association to carry. How
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 2: much input do they get on these competition decisions?
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 6: They're not really a whole lot. I mean, the one
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 6: official from the from the association attends the Competition Committee
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 6: meetings every year in in in February after the Super
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 6: Bowl kind of thing to give give some input. But
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 6: basically all this is done at the at the league level,
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 6: and and guys are and the ladies are all studying
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 6: even during the off season. I mean, it's this whole
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 6: thing of we have a what we call a quiet window,
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 6: which is from the Super Bowl till May fifteenth. But
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 6: if there's things that want to happen, you know, they
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 6: want to talk with folks and those kind of things.
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 6: Their provisions in the current CBA to allow all this.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 6: So I think it's it's a lot of a lot
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 6: of posturing unfortunately by the league, and I just wish
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 6: that then that Roger Goodell and folks would come to
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 6: the table rather than sending folks that really can't make
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 6: the decision for the league that goes back. We negotiated
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 6: Scott Green, and I negotiated with Roger Goodgill and Jeff
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 6: Passed the last time when we resolved the issue in
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 6: twenty twelve. I think personally that's what happened again. The
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 6: commissioner ought to come to the table, just like he
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 6: does with the Players Association, and let's try to get
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 6: this resolved.
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 2: There's a proposed replay enhancements where as far as I
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 2: can understand it, it looks like the game day center,
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 2: the command center in New York, the Death Star is
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 2: going to be able to weigh in on kind.
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 3: Of everything during game day, call.
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: Penalties, uncalled penalties, and that when you get to the
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: end of a game two minute warning and overtime, their
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: influence is going to be more significant. Am I understanding
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 2: this correctly? That we're gonna dece or we're going to
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 2: centralize control the games more than just allowing the crew
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 2: to handle it.
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 6: Well, that's exactly what I'm seeing being reported that the
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 6: owners agreed that that's what they want to do. But
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 6: you know they needed something like that the last time
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 6: in twenty twelve when they had their fail marriage. But
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 6: even then, even today they really had some input out there.
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 6: They're still mistakes. If you're just trying to create a
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 6: video game out there, I don't know why we need
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 6: any officials on the field. We don't need players. Let's
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 6: just play the video game of this thing.
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 2: The general I guess takeaway from the referees on replay
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: we're seeing right now in baseball where there's this outsized
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: influence right now from the abs. And I've never been
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 2: in a Major League Baseball umpire, although I was a
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 2: pretty darn good Little league umpire way back in the day.
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 3: Jeff, I'll pat myself on the back for that.
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 2: But like you know, you're having these people who are
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: the best in the business get a computer turning over
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 2: their calls, and I mean, I know they want These
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 2: are all baseball people. They want it to be done
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: the right way, and it extends to every official in
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 2: every sport. There's a certain love of the game and
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 2: you're trying to get every single call right. We've allowed
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 2: for so many years for some level of human error,
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 2: and we've had that's been major conversation on sports talk radio.
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 3: I can tell you that.
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: But you know, replay and technologies placed in these sports
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: is becoming more and more of a I guess, an
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: actual concrete impact, and we're seeing it excessively this year
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: in baseball. Are we in danger or maybe that's the
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 2: wrong way to put it. Is it going to be
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 2: that way in the NFL? Or it could it potentially
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 2: be that way in the NFL?
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 3: Also?
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 6: Well, I think I think that's there's that risk that
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 6: we get to is what do we want to have?
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 6: Do we want to have video game and exact and
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 6: I think kind of what's happening in baseball right now,
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 6: if you know, the replay came into existence to fix
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 6: the egregious error or the era that you that everybody
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 6: and their brother it's sitting at the bar could see.
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 6: We miss that, not the infinitestial thing that you have
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 6: to slow down to that to frame by frame, like
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 6: the the gru to film to piece themes together. I
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 6: think that's the challenge that we've gotten to with replay,
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 6: is we can't fix everything, and we're going to particilarly
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 6: ruin the game both for the participants, the officials, and
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 6: the fans, because we don't just don't want want to
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 6: see it over and over again.
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 2: Something happened, ye triplet former NFL referee for another couple
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 2: minutes here on the Sean O'Connell show, as there's a
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: bit of an impasse happening between the NFL Referees Association
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 2: and the ownership right now, new official training is supposed
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: to begin in about a month. What does that actually
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 2: look like? How extensive is it? Is it like, I mean,
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 2: these guys getting in shape? Is it two a days?
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: Give me a sense of what official training looks like?
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 6: Well, I'm not sure what official training would look like,
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 6: but let's put it in perspective. Here is the very
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 6: best collegiate officials at the Division one, and I just
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 6: don't think that you're going to want to see the
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 6: folks in the Big Can and the SEC and the
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 6: ACC and the PAC twelve. See they're best officials kind
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 6: of go over and work for the NFL on a
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 6: Sunday and not be available for a Saturday Saturday the
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 6: game kind of thing. So where are you going to go?
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 6: Just like they did the last time they had to
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 6: go to much floor level officials. Nothing wrong with those
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 6: those individuals working at that level, but just just the
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 6: speed and the quality of the game is not NFL situation.
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 6: So that's you don't get that from just watching videos things.
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 6: And the teams don't necessarily practice at that level, even
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 6: in the OTAs and other situations. They get that out
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 6: there in the preseason and then in the regular season,
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 6: and you don't have one hundred and twenty some brand
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 6: new officials come along every year in the NFL. You
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 6: got a lot of experienced folks taking care of you know,
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 6: half dozen rookies or so that are coming into the
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 6: league each year.
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 2: I know that this is probably an immature stance on
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 2: the economics of this. In the NFL, it is a
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 2: money printing business. It is the biggest sport in the
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 2: United States of America. Every one of these owners is
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 2: a billionaire, most of them several times over. And a
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 2: lot of these labor negotiations come down to what amounts
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 2: for the owners to pennies relative to the insane television
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 2: deals and things like that. And I know, like my
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 2: feeble mind is not a billionaire, so I can't understand
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 2: how billionaires think. But Jeff like this is supposed to
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 2: be the best platform of sport in the United States
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 2: of America. Isn't it important that being an NFL official
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 2: is treated as such, and is compensated as such, and
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 2: is handled as such.
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 6: Well. It should be viewed as one of the valuable assets.
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 6: The officiating should be viewed as one of the valuable assets.
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 6: And I dare say that the league would do itself
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 6: well if just kind of stop trying to break the
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 6: very quality folks that they have out there on the
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 6: field today, keep trying to get them better, but pay
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 6: them what they want they have, and if they want
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 6: full time officials, I think that's that's something I know
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 6: can be talked about and that can work, can be
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 6: worked on, But I'm not sure all the owners won't
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 6: full time officials. So there's a lot there's lots of
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 6: opportunity for the league not to damage its product and
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 6: piss off a lot of fans and players. And I
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 6: think that's one of the things that nobody's talking about
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 6: here is what do the players think about this? Do
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 6: they want scab officials working their games? I know the
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 6: last time they were really upset when by the third.
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 2: Week, understandably so and I imagine they would take a
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 2: similar stance like, Hey, I know the money's there, pay
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 2: these people what they want so they can do a
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 2: good job for us.
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 5: But that's it.
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm probably boiling it down too simply, But that
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 2: that's how it seems.
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 6: Not not not really, it's I don't I just don't
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 6: think that folks want to damage the product and put
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 6: an inferior any, any inferior product out on the field,
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 6: be it officials, be it players, be it stadiums, be
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 6: it turf. I mean, we spend lots of money on
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 6: lots of things. This is a small little piece here
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 6: that that contributes one heck of a lot to the game.
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 2: Jeff can't tell you how much I appreciate your time and
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 2: your insight today. Thank you so much for joining us.
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 6: Sir, You got it, You got it.
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 2: Thanks again, Jeff Triplett, former nfl A referee.
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 5: Here on the Sean O'Connell show right now on ESPN.
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• 2:23:59
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• 2:24:09
  Speaker 2: Jazz are the forefront of this. Suzanne and Scott Morrison
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 2: are on NBA today right now talking with Malika Andrews
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 2: about this initiative. They've got a pair of air Max nineties,
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  Speaker 2: specially painted, specially done, and just shouting out our local community.
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  Speaker 2: The artist who creates these shoes is a local, is
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  Speaker 2: a friend of mine, is John Malar. He is fantastic
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  Speaker 2: and there he is on TV right there painting the shoes.
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  Speaker 2: He does this out at his home office in West Valley.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of this came out of NBA All Star
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  Speaker 2: Weekend when he was doing shoes for a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: players and things like that. But it's not like a
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  Speaker 2: breaking story or anything. I just I love to see
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  Speaker 2: my guy having this level of success. Pretty cool when
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  Speaker 2: it's a nation and wide international campaign and we can
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  Speaker 2: trace it back to our own community here in Salt Lake.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it is really cool.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't realize the artist was was a local, but
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  Speaker 4: this is I was just gonna chime in and say
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  Speaker 4: that this is either the second or third year that
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 4: the Morrisons, including UH Jazz assistant coach Scott Morrison, have
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  Speaker 4: been involved in this, and they they I think it
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  Speaker 4: was either two or three years ago. That they made
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 4: it a league wide initiative for NBA coaches. So the
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 4: really cool that they're getting the chance to get this
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  Speaker 4: messaging out there once again, and then that ESPN is
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  Speaker 4: has given them the time to to talk about this
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  Speaker 4: because obviously autism is a is a big deal, and
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  Speaker 4: it's a huge deal for them with their with one
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  Speaker 4: of their sons on the spectrum.
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  Speaker 2: The sneakers again fully customed sneakers. They're going to be
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 2: autographed and then they auction them off and then the
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  Speaker 2: proceeds go to what's called the Max Foundation, which is
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 2: the Autism Acceptance Foundation that they have helped to spearhead
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  Speaker 2: and champions. So really really neat stuff. Glad to see
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 2: it on my television. And I just I just texted
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 2: John and he's doing good. So pretty great. All right,
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 2: one last segment to come here on The Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 2: Let me call to your attention a viral video that
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 2: is going around. It actually started yesterday, but a viral
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 2: video that is going around the college football and I
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 2: guess high school football sphere. Is a kid named Robbie
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 2: wheelan offensive lineman at Corner Canyon High School.
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  Speaker 3: He's a four to zero student.
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  Speaker 2: I imagine he's probably got some offers already. He's gonna get more,
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 2: especially after this video goes out there. The video comes
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 2: from someone's phone clearly in the Corner Canyon weight room,
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 2: and he is cranking out forty one reps of two
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 2: twenty five on the bench press that would have led
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 2: all positions, all players at this year's NFL scouting combine.
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  Speaker 2: And every comment section is an absolute cesspool.
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 3: So there's plenty of people in there.
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 2: Saying he's not locking out his elbows properly, He's getting
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 2: plenty of extension, all right. This is a kid who's
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 2: either seventeen or eighteen years old. He might not even
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 2: be seventeen years old. If he's the youngest in his group,
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 2: he's a rising senior. This is a monstrous physical feat
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 2: for a high school kid.
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  Speaker 3: Forty one reps. I am not a weak person. Okay.
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 2: At my peak, I was weighing about two hundred and
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 2: forty five pounds in college football, and the most I
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 2: was ever able to muster was twenty two. This kid
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 2: is cranking forty one at two twenty five on the bench.
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 2: What are they feeding them at Corner Canyon and really
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 2: everywhere else?
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  Speaker 3: Yikes?
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 2: Spence checkets and the drive next, and he's here in
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 2: our Broadway studios high spens.
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  Speaker 5: I have a sad admission to make. They stopped that video.
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 5: Oh you're not supposed to max anymore? Right? I think
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 5: back when we were younger, it's like, what do you max? Yeah?
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 5: We are you maxed?
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 3: What's your max?
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 6: Bro?
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 5: And now I don't think you're supposed to Okay, when
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 5: I was my most frat boy meat head, try to
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 5: get as bulky as you can, ignore the legs the
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 5: frat boy workout. Yeah, did two thirty five once? Okay,
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 5: that was my max? But at like one hundred and
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 5: sixty five and sixty five pounds. I actually felt pretty
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 5: good about it. But I'm watching that kid crank out
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 5: forty one reps at two twenty five. I'm like, dude,
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 5: I can't even relate to that. But he's he weighs
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 5: like two ninety. Yeah. Yeah, No, I was proud of it,
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 5: like I was working hard at it and I was
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 5: probably one seventy one seventy five at the time and
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 5: throw up two thirty five and you know, you do
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 5: the thing where you're like oohoo.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I was never a big bencher I had.
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 2: I had a good clean, I had a good squat okay,
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 2: dead lift, but bench was always the weak point for me.
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 3: But this kid not the case. Yeah, forty one reps
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 3: is dumb.
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's ridiculous. And as you age, all you want
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 5: to do is like be as you know Sevelt in
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 5: things as possible, no desire to book up.
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 2: It's a rite of passage though, like yeah this And
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 2: by the way, Casey Setara, former Ute, former Tibert, and
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 2: former Ute actually is now the head coach at at
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 2: Corner Canyon. He took over for Eric Carrer, who obviously
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 2: went up to Weber State. So I wish him a
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 2: ton of success. He's a strong, strong dude. He knows
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 2: a lot about this stuff. Yeah, and the programs. Now,
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 2: I was talking with with people at Utah practice yesterday,
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 2: actually with Logan and Spencer Fano's dad, about how the
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 2: high school product is just so much different than it
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 2: was twenty years ago. Nobody in America was doing forty
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 2: one reps in high school back twenty years ago, and now,
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 2: like all respect to Robbi Wheeland, but he's probably not
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 2: the only kid in this country that can do it.
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  Speaker 5: What can a video like that too? To your point,
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 5: I don't know if he has offers. My guess is
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 5: everyone around here knows who he is.
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 2: He's a starter at Corner Kitty, which means he's probably
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 2: got offers.
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 5: So now everybody across the country is going to know
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 5: who he is. I mean, obviously, it's one thing to
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 5: be able to bench like that. It's another thing to
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 5: be able to play and have techniques. So what kind
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 5: of what do you think of a video like that
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 5: does for that young one?
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what I know it will do
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 2: is it's going to bring attention to his twenty four
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 2: to seven recruiting profile his rival's recruiting profile. And the
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 2: reason I know that is because I saw this video
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 2: and then I went and I was like, who's Robbie Wheeling?
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 2: And I looked at his recruiting tape. Yeah, that's not
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 2: something I spend a lot of time doing. We have
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 2: people in our market that do this, we have people
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 2: nationally that do this. I don't usually get on people's
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 2: recruiting tape unless they're like big time names, right, or
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 2: there's somebody who I know is going to the University
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 2: of Utah or maybe to BYU or something like that.
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 2: But I went and I watched. I watched his type
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 2: and it is a highlight tape, but it's pretty There's
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 2: some great highlights on that, a bunch of pancakes of
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 2: his kid driving his defensive lineman ten and twelve yards
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 2: downfield and finishing with intent. So that bench press video
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 2: is going to get some coaches somewhere to click that
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 2: maybe hadn't before. And you know that's how you get offers.
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's nice to be you reference people who
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 5: do that, right, their whole job is recruiting. It's nice
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 5: to be an ecosystem like that. Now, I don't know
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 5: if you can relate to this, but when I kind
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 5: of first started doing this full time, that wasn't really
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 5: a thing. So you felt like you had to, you know,
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 5: brush up on all of it. It's like, now I'll
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 5: just bring on the recruiting expert nask him as opposed
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 5: to pretend like I'm watching Corner Canyon offensive line tak.
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 2: Well that's and that's fine, and yeah you should do that,
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 2: and I say it all the time. But that industry,
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 2: because it was sort of fledgling and young when we
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 2: were getting into this business, it was problematic and downright bad.
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 2: Lot of cases for a lot of years, Like there
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 2: were so many inaccurate evaluations. There were so many like
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 2: this kid's a five star because his parents paid for
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 2: him to get all the stuff that he needed to
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 2: put their name in front of people, and so well
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 2: we know his name, so he's a four star or
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 2: a five star. It's not like that anymore. Everyone has
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 2: good access. Everyone's got the internet. Everyone could put together
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 2: their tapes, and because of that, it's really filtered the
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 2: results on these recruiting services. So they hit a lot
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 2: more than they missed these days, which is good.
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 5: Have you ever heard the film in the blanch story. No, okay,
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 5: well it stays within the space of the things we're discussing.
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 5: I think there's a ute fan who actually created a
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 5: Twitter called at fill in the blank. Okay, So this
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 5: is way back when I was doing the show with
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 5: Bill the first time around, Bill and Spence, I mean
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 5: like sixteen seventeen years ago. We only had phone lines
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 5: at the time. There were no recruiting services really, so
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 5: suddenly our sales manager said, hey, we've got the ability
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 5: to read texts online. This is before Twitter, this is
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 5: before social media. Because I was never a huge like
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 5: let's open up the phone lines guy, and Bill loved that. Yeah,
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 5: so I'd kind of laid back, like, go ahead, Bill,
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 5: talk to the callers. So it's like, okay, let's try
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 5: this text line thing. And back then Bill was calling games,
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 5: so it was act. There's actually a little serendipity now
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 5: because I had to do a lot of solo shows
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 5: because Bill was gone a lot. I never want to
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 5: do a solo show, still kind of don't. But here
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 5: we are, Okay, do the thing.
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 3: Who you are. However, many years deep into it.
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 5: I'll do the thing coming up on almost Withether our
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 5: eighth year, which is wild to think about. So Bill
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 5: was gone. It was like the second week we had
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 5: the text line and somebody sends in a text spent
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 5: spreaking news big recruit, big Utah football recruit. And I
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 5: didn't I didn't preread this text message. I just decided
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 5: to open it up and read it on air. You
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 5: Ron Burgundy. I blew it badly and it took me
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 5: a minute to realize what I had done. And the
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 5: text was like this young man is six six two
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 5: ninety runs a four to one forty. You know I
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 5: should have stopped there, like, okay, wrong physically possible, indeed,
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 5: and then reference some sort of ridiculous reps on the
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 5: bench and he said he's out of Southern Utah's name
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 5: is phill in the blank. And I read it on
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 5: air and I'm like, okay. What clicked in my head
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 5: first was the measurables, like wait a second, that doesn't
• 2:36:36
  Speaker 5: sound right. Then I'm like, you idiot, his name is
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 5: not filling the blank. I got like Homer Simpsons, like
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 5: back what he used to call the mo at the bar?
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great.
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 5: I was like, dude, proof read the text messages before
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 5: you go on air that dude got me. You got
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 5: me good. And it is April Fool's Day, so apropos. Yeah,
• 2:36:54
  Speaker 5: and by the way, don't don't pull pranks.
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 2: I don't have time for the stuff. Here's the least
• 2:36:59
  Speaker 2: shot fucking opinion being shared. Well, come on, Spence has
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 2: no time, but no no bandwidth for pranks.
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 3: No do you? I mean it's funny.
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 5: I'm prepping for the show and I'm like, forgetting that
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 5: it's April first, and there's this uh or byu bro
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 5: homies are like a j Debonnce is coming back for
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 5: a sophomore. I'm like, what, like, damn it as Aapril first? Yeah,
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 5: and then some jazz account posted that the League had
• 2:37:21
  Speaker 5: docked the Jazz their first round pick for tanking. I
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 5: was like, oh, I got my opening.
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 3: Damn it.
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 5: I got got by like five stories while I was
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 5: trying to prep to a please stop it. Yeah. Do
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 5: I sound cranky? Do I sound like I don't like
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 5: fun thing?
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 3: You're becoming curmudgeonly.
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 6: I can't.
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 3: You're not old enough for that.
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 5: I'm getting there. No, okay, thank you. You got to
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 5: be past fifty five at least. Okay, so I got
• 2:37:45
  Speaker 5: some time because I can feel it creeping in. Yeah,
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 5: I can feel it, like I live up on campus
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 5: close to campus, and they're you know, turned out your
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 5: music yep. Or these kids will drive up the wrong
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 5: way the Butler Avenue street to get to the frat
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 5: house and I have no room to talk with that stuff. Exactly,
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 5: put your garbage cans inside, get them off the street.
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 5: What is wrong with you? I actually said to a
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 5: kid not too long ago. Be part of the solution.
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 5: It's amazing, it's horrible.
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 2: Can you name for me one of the three countries
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 2: to eliminate Italy from World Cup contention.
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 5: In the last three World Cups?
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 2: Man uh.
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 5: Bosnia?
• 2:38:29
  Speaker 3: Correct?
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 5: All right, Yeah, that's right.
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 3: They just did it.
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 5: I just did it.
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 3: Sweden and North Macedonia or the other two.
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 5: Of course, you know that. I roll in yesterday. You're
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 5: watching Ghana tape. I'm like, what are you doing? Getting
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 5: ready for the work. It's kind of wild and I
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 5: don't fully have the grasp, but like so, my brother
• 2:38:47
  Speaker 5: serves as mission Italy. Italy is a big Italian soccer fan.
• 2:38:51
  Speaker 5: Three straight World Cups. Like Italy not making three straight
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 5: World Cups. It's not a perfect parallel to say, it
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 5: would be like the US not qualifying for basketball in
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 5: the Olympics. But it's not that far off kind of that,
• 2:39:02
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean. It's pretty wild that a
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 5: powerhouse like that one World Cups in the past can't
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 5: even make the tournament now. It's really really strange.
• 2:39:13
  Speaker 2: And if we were doing sports talk radio in Italy,
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 2: it would be story number one of the day.
• 2:39:17
  Speaker 5: It would and forever. Who do you got in the
• 2:39:19
  Speaker 5: World Cup this year?
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 3: You know, I think that Team USA is going to
• 2:39:23
  Speaker 3: pull it off.
• 2:39:24
  Speaker 2: I actually don't know, but you know why, because we
• 2:39:26
  Speaker 2: keep saying this is the most talented squad. We've got,
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 2: most talents the squad we've ever had. Don't ever do that?
• 2:39:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you like in Group H Spain?
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah? I agree. I don't even know if they're in
• 2:39:40
  Speaker 5: Group age, but I think that's a safe bet. I
• 2:39:42
  Speaker 5: think the French are the favorite once again this year
• 2:39:44
  Speaker 5: till they surrender per usual dumb yep.
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 3: Watch out for Cameroon.
• 2:39:50
  Speaker 5: Okay, sleeper team, Sleeper team, Sleeper team. Have you ever
• 2:39:54
  Speaker 5: actually watched a World Cup, like sat down and watched matches?
• 2:39:58
  Speaker 3: Yes? I actually that's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 2: That's really the only time forgive me MLS honks out there.
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  Speaker 3: It's really four of you.
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  Speaker 2: It is the thing that gets me into soccer, Like
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  Speaker 2: I get you know this about me now, I get
• 2:40:11
  Speaker 2: caught up in whatever the thing like the Olympics. Yea,
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  Speaker 2: I love the Olympics. Y. Yeah, I'm a figure skating
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  Speaker 2: expert for two weeks, four years.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I feel the same way about the World Cup.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. I had never watched at all. I was strictly
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  Speaker 5: anti soccer until we brought the club here, until we
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  Speaker 5: brought RSL here in two thousand and four, and the
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  Speaker 5: first World Cup after that was two thousand and six,
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  Speaker 5: and so I had a lot of people over at
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  Speaker 5: the club like, hey, just watch watch the World Cup.
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  Speaker 5: If you want to understand what soccer means to people,
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  Speaker 5: watch the World Cup. And I remember the first match.
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  Speaker 5: I sat down to watch two pretty nondescript countries. But
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  Speaker 5: the opening stanza the camera they're playing the national anthem
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  Speaker 5: the team, and the camera is panning across the coaches
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  Speaker 5: and players and they are bawling, yelling their new national
• 2:41:00
  Speaker 5: anthem at the top of their lungs.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty cool.
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  Speaker 5: It's like, dude, it's awesome and you know the fans
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  Speaker 5: that get into it are are fans. What is it
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  Speaker 5: Sam's Army? Still those dorks they, I think that's what
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  Speaker 5: they call themselves. They build their entire identity around the
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  Speaker 5: soccer club that they cheer for. So excited having our region.
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  Speaker 2: I need to inform you if you're listening, that Spain
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  Speaker 2: is actually in group eighteen.
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  Speaker 5: You knew that.
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  Speaker 2: I definitely knew that when I threw Spain out there.
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  Speaker 5: Well done, well done.
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  Speaker 2: Of course you know that it's Spain, Saudi Arabia, Uruguay
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  Speaker 2: and Cape Verred.
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  Speaker 5: Obviously everyone knows that expert stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And you definitely know where Cape Verrett is on a map.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's north of a lot of places.
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