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S7, Ep 54: Chasing Smallmouth: Topwater Tactics for Summer Success with Jake Villwock · The Articulate Fly

• 0:04
  Hey
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  folks,
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  it's
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  Marvin
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  Cash,
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  the
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  host
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  Articulate
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  On
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  episode,
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  Jake
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  Villwock
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  of
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  Relentless
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  in
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  Pennsylvania
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  returns
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  As
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  we
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  head
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  into
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  the
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  heat
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  of
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  summer,
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  we
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  thought
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  it'd
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  be
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  a
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  good
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  idea
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  to
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  bring
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  Jake
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  back
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  to
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  talk
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  about
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  topwater
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  smallmouth.
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  Jake,
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  welcome
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  back
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  to
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  Fly.
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  It's
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  here.
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  There
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  you
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  go.
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  I
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  feel
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  bad
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  for
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  you
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  that
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  you
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  got
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  a
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  ton
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  of
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  rain
• 1:42
  last
• 1:42
  night.
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  You're
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  going
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  to
• 1:43
  probably
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  sounds
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  like
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  you're
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  going
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  to
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  be
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  off
• 1:44
  the
• 1:44
  water
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  for
• 1:44
  probably
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  four
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  or
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  five
• 1:45
  days,
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  right?
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  @
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  least.
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  Yeah,
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  I'm
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  going
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  to.
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  I
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  might
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  try
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  to
• 1:50
  see
• 1:50
  if
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  some
• 1:51
  of
• 1:51
  the
• 1:51
  smaller
• 1:51
  creeks
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  clear
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  out
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  by
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  Thursday
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  or
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  Friday,
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  but
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  definitely
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  not
• 1:55
  going
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  out
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  tomorrow,
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  that's
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  for
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  sure.
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  There
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  you
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  go.
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  Well,
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  you
• 1:58
  can
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  beat
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  the
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  weekend
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  Costco
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  rush,
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  I
• 2:00
  think.
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  I
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  think
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  the
• 2:01
  last
• 2:01
  time
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  I
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  saw
• 2:02
  you
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  was
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  in
• 2:03
  Lancaster
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  at
• 2:04
  the
• 2:04
  Lancaster
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  show.
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  Putting
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  aside
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  I
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  know
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  you've
• 2:07
  had
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  a
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  fair
• 2:07
  amount
• 2:07
  of
• 2:07
  rain,
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  but
• 2:08
  how's
• 2:08
  your
• 2:08
  spring
• 2:08
  smallmouth
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  season
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  been?
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  It's
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  been
• 2:11
  really
• 2:11
  good.
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  It's
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  been
• 2:13
  a
• 2:13
  little
• 2:13
  strange.
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  We
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  had
• 2:15
  some
• 2:16
  like
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  super
• 2:17
  warm,
• 2:18
  warm
• 2:18
  weather
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  in
• 2:19
  March,
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  and
• 2:20
  then
• 2:20
  about
• 2:21
  the
• 2:21
  time
• 2:21
  the
• 2:21
  bass
• 2:22
  started
• 2:22
  migrating,
• 2:22
  it
• 2:23
  got
• 2:23
  really
• 2:23
  cold.
• 2:24
  And
• 2:24
  so
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  for
• 2:25
  like
• 2:25
  the
• 2:25
  first
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  two
• 2:26
  and
• 2:27
  a
• 2:27
  half
• 2:27
  to
• 2:27
  three
• 2:27
  weeks,
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  it
• 2:28
  was,
• 2:28
  it
• 2:28
  was,
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  you
• 2:29
  know,
• 2:29
  in
• 2:29
  the
• 2:29
  40s
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  every
• 2:30
  day,
• 2:31
  30s
• 2:31
  at
• 2:31
  night.
• 2:32
  And
• 2:33
  there
• 2:33
  was
• 2:33
  like
• 2:33
  a
• 2:34
  period
• 2:34
  probably
• 2:35
  around
• 2:35
  the
• 2:35
  14th
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  or
• 2:36
  15th
• 2:37
  of
• 2:37
  of
• 2:37
  April
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  that
• 2:40
  within
• 2:40
  three
• 2:41
  days
• 2:41
  the
• 2:41
  water
• 2:41
  temps
• 2:42
  went
• 2:42
  from
• 2:43
  48
• 2:43
  to
• 2:44
  62.
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  And
• 2:45
  so
• 2:46
  we
• 2:46
  had
• 2:46
  a
• 2:46
  really
• 2:47
  early
• 2:47
  spawn
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  and
• 2:49
  then
• 2:50
  we
• 2:50
  kind
• 2:50
  of
• 2:51
  got
• 2:51
  low
• 2:51
  water.
• 2:51
  So
• 2:52
  it
• 2:52
  was,
• 2:52
  you
• 2:53
  know,
• 2:53
  not.
• 2:54
  There
• 2:54
  wasn't
• 2:55
  a
• 2:55
  lot
• 2:55
  of
• 2:55
  fresh
• 2:55
  fish
• 2:56
  coming
• 2:56
  in.
• 2:56
  Like
• 2:56
  we
• 2:56
  normally
• 2:57
  get
• 2:57
  three,
• 2:57
  four,
• 2:57
  five
• 2:58
  different
• 2:58
  waves
• 2:58
  of
• 2:59
  fish.
• 2:59
  And.
• 3:00
  And
• 3:00
  so
• 3:00
  then
• 3:01
  towards
• 3:01
  the
• 3:01
  end
• 3:01
  of,
• 3:02
  well,
• 3:02
  actually
• 3:03
  beginning
• 3:03
  of
• 3:03
  May,
• 3:04
  we
• 3:05
  got
• 3:05
  blown
• 3:05
  out
• 3:06
  and
• 3:06
  I
• 3:06
  thought
• 3:07
  all
• 3:08
  those
• 3:08
  fish
• 3:08
  were
• 3:08
  going
• 3:08
  to
• 3:09
  disappear
• 3:09
  because
• 3:09
  there
• 3:10
  was
• 3:10
  no
• 3:10
  new
• 3:10
  fish
• 3:10
  coming
• 3:11
  in.
• 3:11
  And
• 3:11
  I
• 3:12
  had
• 3:12
  heard
• 3:12
  reports
• 3:12
  from
• 3:12
  some
• 3:13
  guys
• 3:13
  that
• 3:13
  said
• 3:14
  the
• 3:14
  fish
• 3:14
  are
• 3:15
  spawning
• 3:15
  on
• 3:15
  some
• 3:15
  of
• 3:15
  the
• 3:15
  bigger
• 3:16
  rivers
• 3:16
  because
• 3:16
  they
• 3:16
  weren't
• 3:17
  coming
• 3:17
  up.
• 3:17
  And
• 3:17
  you
• 3:18
  know,
• 3:18
  honestly,
• 3:18
  after
• 3:19
  that
• 3:19
  water
• 3:19
  went
• 3:19
  down,
• 3:19
  I
• 3:20
  told
• 3:20
  my
• 3:20
  one
• 3:20
  client,
• 3:20
  I
• 3:21
  said,
• 3:21
  you
• 3:21
  know,
• 3:21
  we
• 3:21
  might
• 3:21
  just
• 3:21
  be
• 3:22
  catching
• 3:22
  little
• 3:22
  fish.
• 3:23
  I
• 3:23
  don't
• 3:23
  know
• 3:23
  what's
• 3:23
  in
• 3:23
  here.
• 3:24
  And
• 3:24
  it
• 3:24
  was
• 3:24
  just
• 3:24
  bonkers
• 3:25
  for
• 3:25
  the
• 3:25
  next
• 3:25
  two
• 3:26
  weeks.
• 3:26
  So
• 3:26
  we
• 3:26
  got
• 3:26
  a
• 3:27
  fresh
• 3:27
  push
• 3:28
  of
• 3:28
  fish
• 3:28
  that
• 3:28
  came
• 3:29
  in.
• 3:30
  I
• 3:30
  was
• 3:30
  on
• 3:30
  the
• 3:30
  water
• 3:31
  last
• 3:31
  Friday
• 3:33
  and
• 3:34
  we
• 3:35
  had
• 3:35
  fish
• 3:35
  still
• 3:36
  on
• 3:36
  beds
• 3:36
  on
• 3:36
  some
• 3:36
  of
• 3:36
  the
• 3:37
  creeks.
• 3:37
  So
• 3:37
  there
• 3:37
  was,
• 3:38
  there's
• 3:38
  been
• 3:38
  a.
• 3:39
  Another
• 3:39
  wave
• 3:40
  of
• 3:40
  fish
• 3:40
  that
• 3:40
  came
• 3:40
  in
• 3:41
  the
• 3:41
  last
• 3:41
  couple
• 3:41
  weeks
• 3:41
  too.
• 3:42
  So
• 3:42
  it's,
• 3:42
  it's.
• 3:42
  It's
• 3:43
  been
• 3:43
  a,
• 3:43
  an
• 3:44
  interesting,
• 3:44
  an
• 3:44
  interesting
• 3:45
  year
• 3:45
  for
• 3:45
  sure.
• 3:46
  But
• 3:46
  this
• 3:46
  is
• 3:46
  the
• 3:46
  first
• 3:47
  time
• 3:47
  that
• 3:47
  I've
• 3:47
  been
• 3:47
  able
• 3:47
  to
• 3:48
  fish
• 3:48
  the
• 3:48
  smaller
• 3:49
  creeks
• 3:49
  into
• 3:49
  the
• 3:49
  middle
• 3:50
  of
• 3:50
  June
• 3:50
  in
• 3:51
  probably
• 3:51
  six
• 3:52
  years.
• 3:52
  So
• 3:53
  it's
• 3:54
  been.
• 3:54
  Been
• 3:54
  all
• 3:54
  right.
• 3:55
  Yeah,
• 3:56
  that's
• 3:56
  pretty
• 3:56
  neat.
• 3:56
  So
• 3:56
  I
• 3:56
  guess
• 3:57
  you're
• 3:57
  a
• 3:57
  little
• 3:57
  bit
• 3:57
  different
• 3:58
  than
• 3:58
  maybe
• 3:58
  the
• 3:58
  Midwest
• 3:59
  or
• 3:59
  kind
• 3:59
  of
• 3:59
  down
• 3:59
  where
• 4:00
  I
• 4:00
  am
• 4:00
  that
• 4:00
  you
• 4:00
  have,
• 4:01
  you
• 4:01
  know,
• 4:01
  like
• 4:01
  the
• 4:02
  Susquehanna
• 4:02
  is
• 4:02
  huge,
• 4:03
  right.
• 4:03
  So
• 4:03
  you've
• 4:04
  got
• 4:04
  a
• 4:04
  lot
• 4:04
  of
• 4:04
  tributary.
• 4:05
  So
• 4:05
  you
• 4:05
  actually
• 4:05
  have
• 4:06
  maybe
• 4:06
  some
• 4:07
  more
• 4:07
  kind
• 4:07
  of
• 4:08
  small
• 4:08
  water
• 4:08
  options
• 4:08
  than
• 4:09
  we
• 4:09
  have
• 4:09
  down
• 4:09
  here
• 4:09
  in
• 4:09
  the
• 4:09
  mid
• 4:10
  Atlantic.
• 4:11
  Yeah,
• 4:12
  I
• 4:12
  mean
• 4:12
  in
• 4:12
  our,
• 4:12
  our
• 4:13
  spring
• 4:13
  season,
• 4:13
  basically
• 4:14
  mid
• 4:14
  March
• 4:14
  until
• 4:15
  at
• 4:16
  least
• 4:16
  this
• 4:16
  year
• 4:17
  mid
• 4:17
  June,
• 4:18
  we're
• 4:19
  pretty
• 4:19
  much
• 4:19
  fishing.
• 4:20
  Most
• 4:20
  of
• 4:20
  us
• 4:20
  are
• 4:21
  pretty
• 4:21
  much
• 4:21
  fishing
• 4:21
  all
• 4:22
  the
• 4:22
  smaller
• 4:22
  creeks.
• 4:23
  And
• 4:23
  I'll
• 4:23
  be
• 4:23
  honest,
• 4:23
  it's.
• 4:24
  It's
• 4:24
  so
• 4:25
  much
• 4:25
  fun.
• 4:25
  If
• 4:26
  I
• 4:26
  could
• 4:26
  fish
• 4:26
  the
• 4:26
  small
• 4:27
  creeks
• 4:27
  all
• 4:27
  year
• 4:27
  long,
• 4:28
  I
• 4:28
  would,
• 4:28
  but
• 4:29
  you
• 4:29
  know,
• 4:29
  they
• 4:29
  are,
• 4:30
  you
• 4:30
  know,
• 4:30
  very
• 4:32
  rain
• 4:33
  in
• 4:33
  rain
• 4:34
  influence.
• 4:34
  So
• 4:35
  you
• 4:35
  know,
• 4:35
  they
• 4:36
  get
• 4:36
  pretty
• 4:36
  unflowable
• 4:37
  by,
• 4:37
  by
• 4:38
  July.
• 4:38
  So
• 4:39
  we're
• 4:39
  back
• 4:39
  to
• 4:39
  the
• 4:39
  big
• 4:39
  water.
• 4:40
  But
• 4:40
  yeah,
• 4:40
  it's
• 4:40
  a,
• 4:40
  it's
• 4:41
  a
• 4:41
  different
• 4:41
  fishery
• 4:41
  than
• 4:42
  some
• 4:42
  of
• 4:42
  the
• 4:42
  western
• 4:42
  stuff
• 4:43
  that
• 4:43
  I've
• 4:43
  done
• 4:43
  or
• 4:43
  the
• 4:43
  Midwest
• 4:44
  stuff
• 4:44
  that
• 4:44
  I've
• 4:44
  done
• 4:45
  where,
• 4:46
  you
• 4:46
  know,
• 4:46
  you're
• 4:46
  kind
• 4:46
  of
• 4:46
  Changing
• 4:47
  locations
• 4:47
  as
• 4:48
  the
• 4:48
  season
• 4:48
  progresses,
• 4:49
  which
• 4:49
  is
• 4:49
  kind
• 4:50
  of
• 4:50
  fun.
• 4:50
  It
• 4:50
  gives
• 4:50
  you
• 4:51
  a
• 4:51
  different,
• 4:52
  you
• 4:52
  know,
• 4:52
  view
• 4:52
  of
• 4:53
  scenery
• 4:54
  throughout
• 4:54
  the
• 4:54
  year.
• 4:55
  So.
• 4:56
  Yeah,
• 4:56
  it
• 4:56
  keeps
• 4:56
  you
• 4:56
  from
• 4:56
  getting
• 4:57
  on
• 4:57
  a
• 4:57
  first
• 4:57
  name
• 4:57
  basis
• 4:58
  with
• 4:58
  people
• 4:58
  at
• 4:58
  takeouts
• 4:59
  that
• 4:59
  are
• 5:00
  doing
• 5:00
  things
• 5:00
  they
• 5:00
  shouldn't
• 5:01
  do
• 5:01
  at
• 5:01
  boat
• 5:01
  ramps.
• 5:01
  Right,
• 5:02
  exactly.
• 5:03
  Yeah.
• 5:03
  I
• 5:03
  mean
• 5:04
  we
• 5:04
  have,
• 5:05
  we
• 5:05
  have
• 5:05
  about
• 5:05
  seven
• 5:06
  different
• 5:06
  tributaries
• 5:07
  that
• 5:07
  we
• 5:07
  float.
• 5:08
  So
• 5:09
  one
• 5:09
  really
• 5:09
  neat
• 5:10
  thing
• 5:10
  that,
• 5:10
  that
• 5:11
  happens
• 5:11
  down
• 5:11
  here
• 5:11
  is
• 5:12
  at
• 5:12
  least
• 5:12
  in
• 5:13
  the
• 5:13
  past,
• 5:13
  this
• 5:13
  year
• 5:13
  was
• 5:13
  a
• 5:14
  little
• 5:14
  weird.
• 5:14
  But
• 5:15
  a
• 5:15
  lot
• 5:15
  of
• 5:15
  times
• 5:16
  in
• 5:17
  the
• 5:17
  southern
• 5:18
  end
• 5:18
  of,
• 5:19
  you
• 5:19
  know,
• 5:19
  the
• 5:19
  fish
• 5:19
  of
• 5:20
  the
• 5:20
  system,
• 5:20
  we've
• 5:21
  got
• 5:21
  fish
• 5:21
  that
• 5:22
  spawn,
• 5:22
  you
• 5:23
  know,
• 5:23
  towards
• 5:23
  the
• 5:23
  end
• 5:23
  of.
• 5:24
  Typically
• 5:24
  towards
• 5:25
  the
• 5:25
  end
• 5:25
  of
• 5:25
  April.
• 5:26
  And
• 5:27
  then
• 5:27
  some
• 5:27
  of
• 5:27
  the
• 5:27
  northern
• 5:27
  creeks,
• 5:28
  the
• 5:28
  fish
• 5:28
  are
• 5:28
  just
• 5:29
  starting
• 5:29
  to
• 5:29
  come
• 5:29
  in.
• 5:29
  So
• 5:30
  we
• 5:30
  have
• 5:31
  the
• 5:31
  ability
• 5:31
  to
• 5:31
  fish
• 5:32
  for
• 5:32
  three
• 5:32
  and
• 5:32
  a
• 5:32
  half
• 5:32
  months
• 5:33
  basically
• 5:35
  over
• 5:35
  fresh
• 5:36
  fish
• 5:36
  or
• 5:36
  falling
• 5:37
  back
• 5:37
  fish.
• 5:37
  And
• 5:37
  we
• 5:37
  never
• 5:38
  have
• 5:38
  to
• 5:38
  worry
• 5:38
  about
• 5:38
  fishing
• 5:39
  over
• 5:39
  the
• 5:39
  spawn
• 5:39
  because
• 5:40
  we've
• 5:40
  got
• 5:40
  so
• 5:40
  many
• 5:40
  different
• 5:41
  creeks
• 5:41
  that
• 5:41
  are
• 5:41
  different,
• 5:42
  you
• 5:42
  know,
• 5:42
  water
• 5:42
  temperatures
• 5:43
  and
• 5:43
  levels
• 5:43
  and
• 5:44
  stuff.
• 5:44
  So
• 5:44
  it's
• 5:45
  a
• 5:45
  pretty,
• 5:45
  it's
• 5:45
  a
• 5:46
  pretty
• 5:46
  unique,
• 5:46
  you
• 5:47
  know,
• 5:47
  fishery
• 5:47
  for
• 5:48
  sure.
• 5:48
  And
• 5:48
  if
• 5:48
  you're
• 5:48
  willing
• 5:49
  to
• 5:49
  drive,
• 5:49
  you
• 5:49
  can,
• 5:49
  you
• 5:50
  know,
• 5:50
  drive
• 5:50
  two
• 5:50
  hours
• 5:51
  to
• 5:51
  get
• 5:51
  to
• 5:51
  some
• 5:51
  of
• 5:51
  these
• 5:52
  creeks.
• 5:52
  And
• 5:52
  you
• 5:53
  know,
• 5:53
  typically
• 5:53
  the
• 5:53
  further
• 5:54
  you
• 5:54
  are
• 5:54
  from
• 5:54
  Harrisburg,
• 5:55
  the
• 5:55
  less
• 5:55
  people
• 5:56
  you're
• 5:56
  going
• 5:56
  to
• 5:56
  see.
• 5:56
  So
• 5:58
  me
• 5:58
  personally,
• 5:58
  I'm.
• 5:59
  I
• 5:59
  like
• 5:59
  making
• 5:59
  that
• 6:00
  drive.
• 6:00
  Even
• 6:00
  though
• 6:01
  at
• 6:01
  the
• 6:01
  end
• 6:01
  of
• 6:01
  the
• 6:01
  day
• 6:02
  it
• 6:02
  kind
• 6:02
  of
• 6:02
  wears
• 6:03
  on
• 6:03
  you.
• 6:03
  But
• 6:03
  you
• 6:04
  know,
• 6:04
  it's
• 6:04
  part
• 6:04
  of,
• 6:05
  part
• 6:05
  of
• 6:05
  the
• 6:05
  gig.
• 6:06
  Yeah,
• 6:06
  there
• 6:06
  you
• 6:06
  go.
• 6:07
  And
• 6:07
  so
• 6:07
  it's
• 6:07
  interesting
• 6:07
  because
• 6:08
  I
• 6:08
  know
• 6:08
  that
• 6:08
  like
• 6:08
  the
• 6:09
  funky
• 6:09
  spring
• 6:09
  weather
• 6:10
  we
• 6:10
  had,
• 6:10
  it
• 6:10
  is
• 6:10
  kind
• 6:11
  of.
• 6:12
  You
• 6:12
  made
• 6:12
  the
• 6:13
  periodical
• 6:13
  cicada
• 6:14
  hatch
• 6:14
  kind
• 6:14
  of
• 6:15
  atypical
• 6:15
  this
• 6:16
  year.
• 6:16
  But
• 6:17
  I
• 6:17
  do
• 6:17
  know
• 6:17
  that
• 6:17
  they're
• 6:18
  kind
• 6:18
  of
• 6:18
  firing
• 6:18
  up
• 6:18
  in
• 6:18
  your
• 6:19
  part
• 6:19
  of
• 6:19
  the
• 6:19
  world
• 6:19
  and.
• 6:19
  But
• 6:20
  I
• 6:20
  know
• 6:20
  there's
• 6:20
  also,
• 6:21
  you
• 6:21
  know,
• 6:21
  some
• 6:22
  small
• 6:22
  mouth
• 6:22
  guys
• 6:22
  don't
• 6:22
  really
• 6:23
  care
• 6:23
  about
• 6:23
  the
• 6:23
  periodicals
• 6:24
  and
• 6:24
  it's
• 6:24
  really
• 6:24
  a
• 6:24
  carp
• 6:25
  guy
• 6:25
  thing,
• 6:25
  you
• 6:25
  know,
• 6:25
  kind
• 6:26
  of.
• 6:26
  Where
• 6:26
  do
• 6:26
  you
• 6:26
  come
• 6:26
  down
• 6:26
  on
• 6:26
  that,
• 6:28
  man?
• 6:29
  I'll.
• 6:29
  Anything
• 6:30
  that'll
• 6:30
  get
• 6:30
  a
• 6:30
  bass
• 6:31
  to
• 6:31
  rise,
• 6:31
  I'll.
• 6:32
  I'll
• 6:32
  take
• 6:32
  it.
• 6:33
  We
• 6:33
  don't
• 6:34
  have.
• 6:34
  So
• 6:35
  we
• 6:35
  had
• 6:35
  our
• 6:35
  periodicals
• 6:36
  down
• 6:37
  in
• 6:37
  kind
• 6:37
  of
• 6:37
  the
• 6:37
  Harrisburg
• 6:38
  area
• 6:40
  three
• 6:40
  years
• 6:41
  ago.
• 6:41
  Two,
• 6:42
  two
• 6:42
  or
• 6:42
  three
• 6:42
  years
• 6:42
  ago.
• 6:43
  And
• 6:43
  unfortunately
• 6:44
  the
• 6:44
  entire
• 6:45
  time
• 6:45
  the
• 6:45
  water
• 6:45
  was
• 6:45
  blown
• 6:46
  out.
• 6:46
  But,
• 6:48
  but
• 6:48
  where
• 6:49
  the
• 6:49
  state
• 6:49
  college
• 6:50
  areas
• 6:50
  got
• 6:50
  them
• 6:50
  pretty
• 6:51
  heavy
• 6:51
  and
• 6:51
  the,
• 6:51
  the
• 6:51
  upper
• 6:52
  end
• 6:52
  of
• 6:52
  the
• 6:52
  juniata
• 6:53
  is
• 6:53
  going
• 6:53
  to
• 6:53
  have
• 6:53
  them.
• 6:54
  I'm
• 6:54
  actually,
• 6:55
  you
• 6:55
  know,
• 6:55
  if
• 6:55
  there
• 6:56
  were
• 6:56
  bass
• 6:56
  on
• 6:56
  them,
• 6:57
  I'd
• 6:57
  be
• 6:57
  all
• 6:57
  about
• 6:58
  it.
• 6:58
  But
• 6:58
  I'm
• 6:59
  actually
• 6:59
  getting
• 6:59
  ready
• 6:59
  to
• 6:59
  take
• 7:00
  my
• 7:00
  flats
• 7:00
  boat
• 7:00
  up
• 7:01
  to
• 7:01
  state
• 7:01
  College
• 7:01
  and
• 7:02
  fish
• 7:02
  a
• 7:02
  Couple
• 7:02
  of
• 7:02
  lakes
• 7:03
  up
• 7:03
  there
• 7:03
  on
• 7:03
  the
• 7:03
  flats
• 7:04
  for,
• 7:04
  for
• 7:05
  carp
• 7:05
  and
• 7:06
  largemouth.
• 7:06
  But
• 7:07
  yeah,
• 7:08
  so,
• 7:08
  I
• 7:08
  mean,
• 7:08
  if
• 7:09
  we
• 7:09
  had
• 7:09
  them
• 7:09
  in
• 7:10
  the
• 7:10
  bass
• 7:10
  horizon,
• 7:11
  I'd
• 7:11
  be
• 7:11
  all
• 7:11
  about
• 7:11
  it.
• 7:11
  I
• 7:12
  mean,
• 7:12
  we,
• 7:12
  I
• 7:12
  definitely
• 7:12
  tried
• 7:13
  to
• 7:13
  follow
• 7:13
  it
• 7:14
  really
• 7:14
  closely
• 7:15
  when
• 7:15
  it
• 7:15
  was
• 7:15
  closer
• 7:15
  to
• 7:16
  us
• 7:16
  and
• 7:16
  on
• 7:16
  the
• 7:16
  majority
• 7:17
  of
• 7:17
  the
• 7:17
  juniata.
• 7:18
  But
• 7:19
  we
• 7:19
  are
• 7:19
  blessed
• 7:20
  that,
• 7:20
  you
• 7:21
  know,
• 7:21
  we
• 7:21
  have
• 7:21
  a
• 7:21
  three
• 7:21
  year
• 7:22
  difference
• 7:22
  between
• 7:23
  the
• 7:23
  State
• 7:23
  College
• 7:24
  17
• 7:24
  year
• 7:25
  hatch
• 7:25
  and
• 7:26
  the
• 7:26
  Cumberland
• 7:26
  Valley
• 7:27
  17
• 7:27
  year
• 7:27
  hatch.
• 7:28
  So
• 7:28
  it's
• 7:28
  kind
• 7:28
  of
• 7:28
  neat
• 7:28
  that
• 7:29
  you
• 7:29
  get,
• 7:29
  you
• 7:29
  know,
• 7:30
  you
• 7:30
  don't
• 7:30
  have
• 7:30
  to
• 7:30
  wait
• 7:31
  a
• 7:31
  full
• 7:31
  17
• 7:31
  years
• 7:31
  to
• 7:32
  fish
• 7:32
  them.
• 7:32
  Yeah.
• 7:33
  And
• 7:33
  so
• 7:33
  I
• 7:33
  guess,
• 7:33
  you
• 7:34
  know,
• 7:34
  would
• 7:34
  you
• 7:34
  rather,
• 7:34
  you
• 7:35
  know,
• 7:35
  when
• 7:35
  the
• 7:35
  cicadas
• 7:36
  are
• 7:36
  out,
• 7:36
  would
• 7:36
  you
• 7:36
  rather
• 7:37
  chase
• 7:37
  carp
• 7:37
  or
• 7:37
  would
• 7:37
  you
• 7:37
  rather
• 7:38
  chase
• 7:38
  bass?
• 7:41
  Oh,
• 7:41
  that's
• 7:41
  a,
• 7:42
  that's
• 7:42
  a
• 7:42
  tough
• 7:42
  question.
• 7:44
  Definitely
• 7:45
  bass,
• 7:47
  for
• 7:47
  sure.
• 7:47
  Definitely
• 7:48
  bass.
• 7:48
  However,
• 7:49
  carp
• 7:49
  would
• 7:50
  be
• 7:50
  a
• 7:50
  very
• 7:50
  close
• 7:50
  second
• 7:51
  because,
• 7:51
  you
• 7:51
  know,
• 7:52
  the
• 7:52
  carp
• 7:52
  where
• 7:53
  we
• 7:53
  are,
• 7:53
  especially
• 7:54
  on
• 7:54
  the
• 7:54
  bigger
• 7:54
  rivers,
• 7:55
  are
• 7:55
  super
• 7:55
  hard
• 7:56
  to
• 7:56
  catch
• 7:56
  in
• 7:56
  the
• 7:56
  summertime.
• 7:57
  They're
• 7:57
  very
• 7:57
  weary.
• 7:58
  And
• 7:58
  if
• 7:58
  you're
• 7:58
  trying
• 7:59
  to
• 7:59
  do
• 7:59
  it
• 7:59
  in
• 8:00
  a
• 8:00
  boat,
• 8:00
  it's
• 8:00
  almost
• 8:01
  impossible.
• 8:02
  So
• 8:02
  whenever
• 8:03
  we
• 8:03
  get
• 8:03
  a
• 8:03
  chance
• 8:04
  where
• 8:04
  it's
• 8:04
  quote
• 8:04
  unquote
• 8:05
  easier,
• 8:06
  you
• 8:06
  know,
• 8:06
  I
• 8:06
  jump
• 8:07
  on
• 8:07
  that
• 8:08
  and,
• 8:08
  you
• 8:08
  know,
• 8:08
  I
• 8:09
  spend
• 8:09
  a
• 8:09
  little
• 8:09
  bit
• 8:09
  of
• 8:09
  time
• 8:10
  down
• 8:10
  in
• 8:10
  Florida
• 8:10
  chasing
• 8:11
  redfish.
• 8:11
  So
• 8:12
  this
• 8:12
  is
• 8:13
  a
• 8:13
  good,
• 8:13
  you
• 8:14
  know,
• 8:14
  kind
• 8:14
  of
• 8:15
  substitute
• 8:15
  for
• 8:15
  that
• 8:16
  up
• 8:16
  here
• 8:16
  and
• 8:16
  just
• 8:17
  kind
• 8:17
  of
• 8:17
  running
• 8:17
  around
• 8:17
  and
• 8:18
  fishing
• 8:18
  some
• 8:18
  of
• 8:18
  the
• 8:18
  flats
• 8:19
  and
• 8:19
  the
• 8:19
  edges
• 8:19
  of
• 8:19
  water.
• 8:20
  And
• 8:20
  so,
• 8:21
  yeah,
• 8:21
  that's
• 8:22
  for
• 8:22
  sure.
• 8:22
  Car.
• 8:23
  Very
• 8:23
  close
• 8:23
  second.
• 8:24
  There
• 8:24
  you
• 8:25
  go.
• 8:25
  And
• 8:25
  so,
• 8:25
  you
• 8:25
  know,
• 8:25
  we're
• 8:26
  recording
• 8:26
  here
• 8:26
  almost
• 8:27
  in
• 8:27
  the
• 8:27
  middle
• 8:27
  of
• 8:27
  June,
• 8:28
  which
• 8:28
  is
• 8:28
  kind
• 8:28
  of,
• 8:29
  you
• 8:29
  know,
• 8:29
  the
• 8:29
  jumping
• 8:30
  off
• 8:30
  place
• 8:30
  kind
• 8:30
  of
• 8:30
  in
• 8:30
  our
• 8:31
  part
• 8:31
  of
• 8:31
  the
• 8:31
  world
• 8:31
  for
• 8:31
  kind
• 8:32
  of
• 8:32
  the
• 8:32
  thick
• 8:32
  of,
• 8:33
  you
• 8:33
  know,
• 8:34
  summer
• 8:34
  fishing.
• 8:34
  And
• 8:34
  that
• 8:35
  means
• 8:35
  top
• 8:35
  water
• 8:35
  for
• 8:36
  smallmouth.
• 8:36
  And,
• 8:37
  you
• 8:37
  know,
• 8:37
  we'll
• 8:37
  get
• 8:37
  to
• 8:38
  the
• 8:38
  bug
• 8:38
  stuff
• 8:38
  in
• 8:38
  a
• 8:39
  minute.
• 8:39
  But
• 8:39
  I
• 8:39
  also
• 8:39
  know
• 8:40
  that
• 8:40
  you,
• 8:41
  that
• 8:41
  you
• 8:41
  like
• 8:41
  to
• 8:42
  fish
• 8:42
  top
• 8:42
  water
• 8:42
  frogs
• 8:43
  for
• 8:43
  smallmouth.
• 8:43
  When's
• 8:44
  the
• 8:44
  best
• 8:44
  time
• 8:44
  to
• 8:45
  chase
• 8:45
  smallmouth
• 8:45
  with
• 8:46
  a
• 8:46
  frog?
• 8:47
  Right
• 8:48
  now.
• 8:50
  Honestly,
• 8:51
  one
• 8:51
  of
• 8:51
  the
• 8:51
  things
• 8:52
  that
• 8:52
  I
• 8:52
  started
• 8:52
  talking
• 8:53
  about
• 8:53
  recently
• 8:53
  in
• 8:54
  some
• 8:54
  of
• 8:54
  my
• 8:54
  presentations
• 8:54
  is
• 8:55
  that
• 8:56
  May
• 8:56
  and
• 8:57
  June
• 8:57
  are
• 8:58
  two
• 8:58
  of
• 8:58
  the
• 8:58
  best
• 8:58
  frog
• 8:59
  months
• 8:59
  when
• 8:59
  it
• 8:59
  comes
• 8:59
  to
• 9:00
  fishing
• 9:00
  for
• 9:00
  smallmouth.
• 9:01
  I
• 9:02
  know
• 9:02
  the
• 9:02
  guys
• 9:02
  in
• 9:02
  the
• 9:02
  Midwest
• 9:03
  do
• 9:03
  it
• 9:03
  a
• 9:03
  lot
• 9:04
  because
• 9:05
  there's
• 9:06
  frogs
• 9:06
  up
• 9:06
  there
• 9:06
  pretty
• 9:07
  regularly.
• 9:07
  But
• 9:07
  one
• 9:07
  thing
• 9:08
  that's
• 9:08
  super
• 9:08
  interesting
• 9:09
  about,
• 9:09
  you
• 9:09
  know,
• 9:10
  our
• 9:10
  ecosystem
• 9:11
  is
• 9:11
  that
• 9:11
  the
• 9:11
  frogs
• 9:12
  and
• 9:12
  the
• 9:12
  toads
• 9:13
  are
• 9:13
  mating
• 9:14
  at
• 9:14
  the
• 9:15
  same
• 9:15
  time
• 9:15
  that
• 9:16
  the
• 9:16
  smallmouth
• 9:16
  are
• 9:17
  migrating
• 9:17
  to
• 9:17
  spawn.
• 9:18
  So,
• 9:18
  you
• 9:18
  know,
• 9:19
  talking
• 9:19
  about
• 9:19
  matching
• 9:20
  the
• 9:20
  hatch
• 9:20
  in,
• 9:20
  you
• 9:21
  know,
• 9:21
  some
• 9:21
  way,
• 9:22
  the
• 9:22
  frogs
• 9:23
  are
• 9:23
  around
• 9:24
  and
• 9:24
  the
• 9:24
  bats
• 9:25
  are
• 9:25
  willing
• 9:25
  to
• 9:25
  eat
• 9:25
  them.
• 9:25
  So
• 9:26
  if
• 9:26
  you
• 9:26
  can
• 9:26
  get
• 9:26
  water
• 9:26
  temps
• 9:27
  in
• 9:27
  the,
• 9:27
  you
• 9:28
  know,
• 9:28
  low
• 9:28
  to
• 9:28
  mid-60s.
• 9:29
  You
• 9:29
  should.
• 9:30
  You
• 9:30
  can
• 9:30
  have
• 9:30
  absolute
• 9:31
  banner
• 9:31
  days
• 9:32
  on.
• 9:32
  On
• 9:32
  frogs
• 9:33
  this
• 9:33
  time
• 9:33
  of
• 9:33
  year.
• 9:34
  So
• 9:34
  it's
• 9:34
  also
• 9:36
  typically
• 9:36
  when
• 9:36
  the
• 9:36
  water
• 9:36
  flows
• 9:37
  are
• 9:37
  a
• 9:37
  little
• 9:37
  heavier.
• 9:37
  And
• 9:38
  now
• 9:38
  that
• 9:38
  the
• 9:39
  fishing
• 9:39
  pressure's
• 9:40
  gotten,
• 9:40
  you
• 9:40
  know,
• 9:40
  greater
• 9:41
  in
• 9:41
  the
• 9:41
  last
• 9:42
  10
• 9:42
  years,
• 9:44
  those
• 9:44
  bass
• 9:44
  don't
• 9:44
  react
• 9:45
  to
• 9:45
  frogs
• 9:46
  quite
• 9:46
  as
• 9:46
  well
• 9:46
  as
• 9:47
  they
• 9:47
  used
• 9:47
  to
• 9:47
  when
• 9:47
  the
• 9:47
  water
• 9:48
  gets
• 9:48
  low
• 9:48
  and
• 9:48
  clear.
• 9:49
  So
• 9:49
  when,
• 9:50
  you
• 9:50
  know,
• 9:50
  early
• 9:50
  season,
• 9:51
  May,
• 9:52
  June,
• 9:53
  July,
• 9:53
  early
• 9:53
  July,
• 9:54
  when
• 9:54
  the
• 9:54
  water's,
• 9:55
  you
• 9:55
  know,
• 9:55
  kind
• 9:55
  of
• 9:56
  typically
• 9:56
  on
• 9:56
  the
• 9:56
  higher
• 9:57
  level,
• 9:57
  those
• 9:57
  fish
• 9:58
  can
• 9:58
  tend
• 9:58
  to
• 9:58
  eat
• 9:59
  a
• 9:59
  little
• 9:59
  bit
• 9:59
  more
• 10:00
  aggressively
• 10:01
  on
• 10:01
  top.
• 10:01
  So
• 10:01
  you
• 10:02
  can
• 10:02
  get
• 10:02
  away
• 10:02
  with
• 10:02
  frogs.
• 10:03
  Uh,
• 10:03
  got
• 10:03
  it.
• 10:04
  And
• 10:04
  so
• 10:04
  how
• 10:04
  long
• 10:04
  does
• 10:04
  your
• 10:05
  frog
• 10:05
  hatch
• 10:05
  last?
• 10:07
  Uh,
• 10:07
  honestly,
• 10:08
  it's
• 10:08
  kind
• 10:08
  of
• 10:09
  interesting
• 10:09
  that
• 10:09
  the
• 10:10
  frogs
• 10:10
  kind
• 10:10
  of
• 10:10
  mate
• 10:11
  first
• 10:11
  and
• 10:11
  then
• 10:11
  the
• 10:11
  toad
• 10:12
  start.
• 10:12
  I'm
• 10:13
  not
• 10:13
  really
• 10:13
  sure
• 10:13
  if
• 10:13
  fish
• 10:14
  know
• 10:14
  the
• 10:14
  difference
• 10:14
  between
• 10:15
  a
• 10:15
  frog
• 10:15
  and
• 10:15
  a
• 10:15
  toad,
• 10:16
  but
• 10:16
  the
• 10:16
  toads
• 10:17
  are
• 10:17
  spawning
• 10:17
  right
• 10:17
  now,
• 10:18
  so
• 10:19
  I'd
• 10:19
  say
• 10:19
  two
• 10:19
  months.
• 10:20
  Two
• 10:20
  to
• 10:20
  two
• 10:20
  and
• 10:21
  a
• 10:21
  half
• 10:21
  months
• 10:21
  is
• 10:21
  the.
• 10:22
  The
• 10:22
  season
• 10:22
  we
• 10:22
  have
• 10:23
  for
• 10:23
  good
• 10:23
  frog
• 10:24
  fishing.
• 10:25
  And
• 10:25
  so
• 10:25
  is
• 10:26
  it.
• 10:26
  Is
• 10:26
  it
• 10:26
  something
• 10:26
  that,
• 10:27
  you
• 10:27
  know,
• 10:28
  I
• 10:28
  don't
• 10:29
  know,
• 10:29
  like,
• 10:29
  they're
• 10:29
  on
• 10:29
  them,
• 10:29
  like
• 10:30
  they'll
• 10:30
  be
• 10:30
  on
• 10:30
  cicadas,
• 10:31
  or
• 10:31
  is
• 10:31
  it
• 10:31
  something
• 10:31
  like
• 10:31
  you're
• 10:32
  fishing,
• 10:32
  you're
• 10:32
  like,
• 10:32
  well,
• 10:32
  let's
• 10:33
  see
• 10:33
  if
• 10:33
  we
• 10:33
  can
• 10:33
  get
• 10:33
  them
• 10:33
  on
• 10:33
  a
• 10:33
  frog
• 10:34
  today?
• 10:34
  I
• 10:34
  mean,
• 10:34
  kind
• 10:34
  of.
• 10:34
  How
• 10:34
  does
• 10:35
  that
• 10:35
  work?
• 10:36
  I
• 10:36
  think
• 10:37
  it
• 10:37
  directly
• 10:38
  relates
• 10:38
  to
• 10:39
  water
• 10:39
  temperature.
• 10:40
  So,
• 10:40
  you
• 10:40
  know,
• 10:41
  once
• 10:41
  you
• 10:41
  start
• 10:42
  to
• 10:42
  see,
• 10:43
  like
• 10:43
  I
• 10:43
  said,
• 10:43
  that
• 10:43
  water
• 10:44
  in
• 10:44
  that
• 10:44
  mid-60s
• 10:45
  range
• 10:46
  and
• 10:46
  the
• 10:47
  water,
• 10:47
  you
• 10:47
  know,
• 10:48
  levels
• 10:49
  or
• 10:49
  the
• 10:49
  clarity
• 10:50
  of
• 10:50
  the
• 10:50
  water
• 10:50
  is
• 10:51
  kind
• 10:51
  of
• 10:51
  that
• 10:51
  more,
• 10:52
  you
• 10:52
  know,
• 10:52
  as
• 10:52
  we
• 10:52
  call,
• 10:53
  like,
• 10:53
  a
• 10:53
  big
• 10:53
  fish
• 10:53
  green,
• 10:53
  where
• 10:54
  there's
• 10:54
  like
• 10:54
  two
• 10:54
  or
• 10:54
  three
• 10:55
  feet
• 10:55
  of
• 10:55
  visibility
• 10:55
  but
• 10:56
  not
• 10:56
  like,
• 10:56
  gin
• 10:57
  clear.
• 10:58
  I.
• 10:58
  I
• 10:58
  would
• 10:59
  say
• 10:59
  it's
• 10:59
  more
• 10:59
  of,
• 10:59
  like,
• 11:00
  you
• 11:00
  start
• 11:00
  to
• 11:01
  hear
• 11:01
  them,
• 11:01
  and
• 11:02
  then
• 11:02
  when
• 11:02
  the
• 11:02
  conditions
• 11:03
  are
• 11:03
  right,
• 11:03
  you
• 11:04
  start
• 11:04
  throwing
• 11:04
  them.
• 11:04
  And
• 11:05
  so,
• 11:06
  you
• 11:06
  know,
• 11:06
  the
• 11:06
  other
• 11:06
  thing
• 11:07
  is
• 11:07
  some
• 11:07
  of
• 11:07
  the
• 11:07
  creeks
• 11:08
  that
• 11:08
  we
• 11:08
  float
• 11:08
  in
• 11:09
  the
• 11:09
  springtime
• 11:10
  also
• 11:10
  have
• 11:10
  really
• 11:11
  great
• 11:11
  trout
• 11:11
  fisheries.
• 11:12
  Autumn
• 11:13
  on
• 11:13
  the
• 11:13
  upper
• 11:13
  ends
• 11:14
  of
• 11:14
  the
• 11:14
  creeks.
• 11:14
  And
• 11:14
  so
• 11:15
  they've
• 11:15
  got
• 11:15
  all
• 11:15
  the
• 11:15
  different
• 11:16
  mayflies
• 11:16
  and
• 11:17
  stuff.
• 11:17
  And
• 11:17
  so
• 11:17
  as
• 11:17
  soon
• 11:17
  as
• 11:18
  you
• 11:18
  start
• 11:18
  to
• 11:18
  see,
• 11:19
  you
• 11:19
  know,
• 11:19
  bass
• 11:20
  rising
• 11:20
  to
• 11:21
  mayflies,
• 11:22
  it's
• 11:22
  a
• 11:22
  great
• 11:22
  time
• 11:22
  to
• 11:23
  start
• 11:23
  fishing
• 11:23
  frogs
• 11:24
  because,
• 11:24
  you
• 11:24
  know,
• 11:24
  they've
• 11:24
  got
• 11:24
  it
• 11:25
  enough,
• 11:26
  you
• 11:26
  know,
• 11:26
  the
• 11:27
  water's
• 11:27
  warm
• 11:27
  enough
• 11:28
  that
• 11:28
  their
• 11:28
  metabolism
• 11:29
  and
• 11:29
  their
• 11:29
  energy
• 11:30
  levels
• 11:30
  up,
• 11:31
  you
• 11:31
  know,
• 11:31
  and
• 11:31
  they're
• 11:31
  willing
• 11:32
  to
• 11:32
  kind
• 11:32
  of
• 11:32
  start
• 11:32
  jumping
• 11:33
  on
• 11:33
  those.
• 11:33
  On
• 11:33
  those
• 11:34
  bugs
• 11:34
  or
• 11:34
  those
• 11:34
  frogs,
• 11:35
  so.
• 11:36
  Got
• 11:36
  it.
• 11:37
  And
• 11:37
  so
• 11:37
  what
• 11:37
  are
• 11:37
  your
• 11:37
  favorite
• 11:38
  frog
• 11:38
  flies?
• 11:40
  My
• 11:40
  favorite
• 11:41
  is
• 11:42
  honestly,
• 11:42
  the
• 11:42
  umpqua
• 11:43
  sling
• 11:43
  frog,
• 11:44
  the
• 11:44
  kind
• 11:44
  of
• 11:44
  Dave
• 11:45
  whitlock.
• 11:47
  And
• 11:48
  what's
• 11:48
  the
• 11:49
  other
• 11:49
  guy's
• 11:49
  name?
• 11:51
  Larry
• 11:51
  Delberg.
• 11:52
  So
• 11:52
  Larry
• 11:52
  Delberg
• 11:53
  and,
• 11:54
  and
• 11:54
  Dave
• 11:54
  Woodlock
• 11:54
  were
• 11:55
  kind
• 11:55
  of
• 11:55
  the
• 11:55
  first
• 11:55
  two
• 11:55
  to
• 11:55
  pioneer
• 11:56
  the,
• 11:57
  the
• 11:57
  slider
• 11:57
  style
• 11:58
  frog.
• 11:58
  And
• 11:59
  so,
• 11:59
  you
• 11:59
  know,
• 11:59
  for
• 12:00
  me,
• 12:00
  there's
• 12:01
  so
• 12:01
  many
• 12:01
  different
• 12:01
  bugs
• 12:02
  out
• 12:02
  there
• 12:02
  and
• 12:02
  there's
• 12:03
  so
• 12:03
  many
• 12:03
  different,
• 12:04
  you
• 12:04
  know,
• 12:04
  deer
• 12:04
  hair
• 12:05
  frogs.
• 12:06
  The
• 12:06
  thing
• 12:06
  that
• 12:06
  I
• 12:06
  like
• 12:07
  the
• 12:07
  most
• 12:07
  about
• 12:07
  the
• 12:08
  Umpqua
• 12:08
  swimming
• 12:08
  frog
• 12:09
  is
• 12:09
  how
• 12:09
  thin
• 12:10
  the
• 12:10
  head
• 12:10
  is.
• 12:12
  When
• 12:12
  you're
• 12:12
  throwing
• 12:12
  a
• 12:12
  bigger
• 12:13
  bug,
• 12:13
  it
• 12:13
  takes
• 12:13
  longer
• 12:14
  for
• 12:14
  that
• 12:14
  fish
• 12:14
  to
• 12:14
  get
• 12:14
  it
• 12:14
  in
• 12:15
  its
• 12:15
  mouth.
• 12:15
  And
• 12:15
  so
• 12:16
  when
• 12:16
  you've
• 12:16
  got
• 12:16
  some
• 12:17
  of
• 12:17
  those,
• 12:17
  you
• 12:18
  know,
• 12:18
  kind
• 12:18
  of
• 12:18
  more
• 12:18
  bulky
• 12:19
  headed
• 12:19
  flies,
• 12:20
  your
• 12:20
  hookup
• 12:21
  ratio
• 12:21
  goes
• 12:22
  down
• 12:22
  significantly.
• 12:23
  But
• 12:23
  those
• 12:23
  Umpqua
• 12:24
  swimming
• 12:24
  frogs
• 12:24
  seem
• 12:25
  to
• 12:25
  kind
• 12:25
  of
• 12:26
  get
• 12:26
  wedged
• 12:26
  in
• 12:26
  their
• 12:26
  mouth
• 12:27
  a
• 12:27
  lot
• 12:27
  easier.
• 12:28
  And
• 12:28
  then,
• 12:29
  you
• 12:29
  know,
• 12:29
  I
• 12:29
  get
• 12:29
  into
• 12:30
  some
• 12:30
  of
• 12:30
  the
• 12:30
  foam
• 12:30
  stuff.
• 12:31
  I
• 12:31
  do
• 12:31
  a
• 12:31
  lot
• 12:32
  of
• 12:32
  the
• 12:33
  double
• 12:33
  barrel
• 12:34
  poppers
• 12:35
  in
• 12:35
  chartreuse
• 12:36
  and
• 12:36
  yellow
• 12:36
  and
• 12:36
  just
• 12:37
  kind
• 12:37
  of
• 12:37
  high.
• 12:37
  A
• 12:38
  traditional
• 12:39
  popper
• 12:39
  with
• 12:40
  legs
• 12:40
  coming,
• 12:40
  our
• 12:41
  feathers
• 12:42
  coming
• 12:42
  off
• 12:42
  the
• 12:42
  back
• 12:42
  as
• 12:43
  legs.
• 12:44
  Those
• 12:44
  work
• 12:44
  really
• 12:45
  well.
• 12:45
  But
• 12:45
  honestly,
• 12:46
  we
• 12:46
  don't
• 12:46
  get
• 12:46
  a
• 12:46
  lot
• 12:47
  of
• 12:47
  opportunity
• 12:47
  to
• 12:48
  throw
• 12:48
  deer
• 12:48
  here.
• 12:48
  So
• 12:49
  whenever
• 12:49
  we're
• 12:49
  sprog
• 12:50
  fishing,
• 12:50
  I
• 12:50
  always
• 12:51
  have
• 12:51
  the
• 12:51
  uncle.
• 12:52
  Swimming
• 12:52
  frogs
• 12:52
  is
• 12:52
  my
• 12:53
  first
• 12:53
  go
• 12:53
  to.
• 12:55
  Got
• 12:55
  it.
• 12:55
  And
• 12:55
  so
• 12:56
  how
• 12:56
  do
• 12:56
  you
• 12:56
  like
• 12:56
  to
• 12:56
  present
• 12:57
  the
• 12:57
  frog?
• 12:59
  Oh,
• 12:59
  man,
• 13:00
  if
• 13:00
  I
• 13:00
  can
• 13:00
  throw
• 13:01
  it
• 13:01
  and
• 13:01
  I
• 13:01
  can
• 13:02
  present
• 13:02
  it
• 13:02
  super
• 13:02
  aggressively,
• 13:03
  that's
• 13:03
  what
• 13:03
  I
• 13:04
  want
• 13:04
  to
• 13:04
  do.
• 13:05
  Because,
• 13:06
  you
• 13:07
  know,
• 13:07
  frogs
• 13:07
  aren't
• 13:08
  actually
• 13:08
  that
• 13:08
  great
• 13:08
  of
• 13:09
  swimmers
• 13:09
  for
• 13:09
  like
• 13:10
  long
• 13:10
  distances.
• 13:10
  So
• 13:11
  like,
• 13:11
  you
• 13:11
  know,
• 13:12
  when
• 13:12
  you're
• 13:12
  fishing
• 13:12
  a
• 13:12
  frog
• 13:13
  and
• 13:13
  you
• 13:13
  throw
• 13:14
  directly,
• 13:15
  you
• 13:15
  know,
• 13:15
  inches
• 13:16
  off
• 13:16
  the
• 13:16
  bank
• 13:16
  and
• 13:17
  then
• 13:17
  you,
• 13:18
  you
• 13:18
  know,
• 13:18
  pop
• 13:18
  it.
• 13:19
  What?
• 13:19
  Well,
• 13:20
  let
• 13:20
  me
• 13:20
  back
• 13:20
  up.
• 13:20
  What
• 13:20
  I
• 13:21
  like
• 13:21
  to
• 13:21
  do
• 13:21
  is
• 13:21
  let
• 13:21
  it
• 13:22
  hit
• 13:22
  the
• 13:22
  water,
• 13:23
  let
• 13:23
  the
• 13:23
  rings
• 13:23
  dissipate,
• 13:24
  and
• 13:25
  a
• 13:25
  lot
• 13:25
  of
• 13:25
  times
• 13:25
  before
• 13:26
  you
• 13:26
  even
• 13:26
  get
• 13:26
  a
• 13:26
  chance
• 13:27
  to
• 13:27
  pop
• 13:27
  it
• 13:27
  once
• 13:28
  a
• 13:28
  fish
• 13:28
  is
• 13:28
  on
• 13:28
  it.
• 13:30
  But
• 13:30
  if,
• 13:31
  if
• 13:31
  the
• 13:31
  water
• 13:32
  conditions
• 13:32
  are
• 13:32
  right
• 13:33
  and
• 13:33
  they're
• 13:33
  a
• 13:33
  little
• 13:33
  bit
• 13:33
  higher,
• 13:34
  a
• 13:34
  little
• 13:34
  bit
• 13:34
  dirtier.
• 13:35
  I
• 13:35
  like
• 13:35
  to
• 13:36
  be
• 13:36
  pretty
• 13:36
  aggressive
• 13:36
  with
• 13:37
  the
• 13:37
  frogs,
• 13:37
  but
• 13:37
  definitely
• 13:38
  not
• 13:39
  as
• 13:39
  aggressive
• 13:40
  as
• 13:40
  we
• 13:40
  used
• 13:41
  to
• 13:41
  or
• 13:41
  as
• 13:41
  aggressive
• 13:42
  as
• 13:42
  some
• 13:42
  people
• 13:42
  do
• 13:42
  with
• 13:42
  like,
• 13:43
  large
• 13:43
  mouth
• 13:44
  where
• 13:44
  it's
• 13:44
  kind
• 13:44
  of
• 13:44
  a
• 13:45
  constant
• 13:45
  bloop,
• 13:45
  bloop,
• 13:46
  bloop,
• 13:46
  bloop,
• 13:46
  bloop.
• 13:47
  I
• 13:48
  like
• 13:48
  to
• 13:48
  pop
• 13:48
  it
• 13:49
  pretty
• 13:49
  hard
• 13:49
  and
• 13:50
  let
• 13:50
  it
• 13:50
  sit
• 13:50
  for
• 13:50
  two
• 13:50
  or
• 13:51
  three
• 13:51
  seconds.
• 13:51
  Pop
• 13:52
  it,
• 13:52
  let
• 13:52
  it
• 13:52
  sit
• 13:53
  for
• 13:53
  two
• 13:53
  or
• 13:53
  three
• 13:53
  seconds.
• 13:54
  Or
• 13:54
  if
• 13:54
  the
• 13:54
  water
• 13:54
  is
• 13:55
  a
• 13:55
  little
• 13:55
  lower,
• 13:56
  then
• 13:56
  I
• 13:56
  just
• 13:56
  like
• 13:56
  to
• 13:57
  pull
• 13:57
  it.
• 13:57
  I
• 13:57
  like
• 13:57
  to
• 13:58
  create
• 13:58
  the
• 13:58
  wake.
• 13:59
  But
• 13:59
  just
• 14:00
  like
• 14:00
  fishing
• 14:00
  a
• 14:00
  streamer,
• 14:01
  I
• 14:02
  think
• 14:02
  the
• 14:02
  pause
• 14:03
  is
• 14:03
  what
• 14:03
  gets
• 14:04
  those
• 14:04
  fish,
• 14:05
  you
• 14:05
  know,
• 14:05
  going.
• 14:05
  It's.
• 14:06
  And
• 14:06
  I
• 14:06
  can,
• 14:06
  I
• 14:07
  can
• 14:07
  probably
• 14:07
  tell
• 14:08
  you
• 14:08
  that
• 14:09
  80%
• 14:09
  of
• 14:09
  the
• 14:09
  fish
• 14:10
  that
• 14:10
  we
• 14:10
  catch
• 14:10
  on
• 14:10
  frogs
• 14:11
  are
• 14:11
  during
• 14:11
  that
• 14:12
  time
• 14:12
  where
• 14:13
  frog's
• 14:13
  not
• 14:13
  moving.
• 14:14
  So.
• 14:15
  And
• 14:15
  it's
• 14:15
  a
• 14:15
  pretty
• 14:16
  aggressive
• 14:16
  eat
• 14:16
  because
• 14:17
  they're
• 14:17
  like,
• 14:17
  oh,
• 14:17
  when's
• 14:17
  it
• 14:17
  gonna
• 14:18
  move
• 14:18
  again?
• 14:18
  I
• 14:18
  gotta
• 14:18
  get
• 14:19
  it
• 14:19
  now.
• 14:19
  So.
• 14:20
  So
• 14:21
  that's
• 14:21
  how
• 14:21
  I
• 14:21
  do
• 14:21
  it.
• 14:22
  Yeah.
• 14:22
  It's
• 14:23
  interesting
• 14:23
  because
• 14:23
  I
• 14:23
  kind
• 14:23
  of
• 14:24
  think
• 14:24
  about,
• 14:24
  you
• 14:24
  know,
• 14:24
  like,
• 14:24
  watching
• 14:25
  frogs
• 14:25
  and
• 14:25
  they
• 14:25
  usually
• 14:26
  when
• 14:26
  they
• 14:26
  swim,
• 14:26
  it's
• 14:27
  kind
• 14:27
  of
• 14:27
  like,
• 14:27
  you
• 14:27
  know,
• 14:28
  they
• 14:28
  go
• 14:28
  under
• 14:28
  and
• 14:28
  kick
• 14:28
  and
• 14:29
  glide
• 14:29
  and
• 14:29
  come
• 14:29
  back
• 14:29
  up,
• 14:30
  right?
• 14:31
  And
• 14:31
  it's
• 14:32
  usually
• 14:32
  not.
• 14:32
  Not
• 14:33
  sustained.
• 14:34
  Right.
• 14:35
  And.
• 14:35
  And
• 14:36
  it's
• 14:36
  the
• 14:36
  same
• 14:37
  thing
• 14:37
  with
• 14:37
  mice.
• 14:37
  You
• 14:37
  know,
• 14:38
  we
• 14:38
  fish
• 14:38
  a
• 14:38
  lot
• 14:38
  of
• 14:38
  mice
• 14:38
  for
• 14:39
  bats,
• 14:39
  too.
• 14:39
  And,
• 14:41
  you
• 14:41
  know,
• 14:41
  mice
• 14:41
  are
• 14:42
  kind
• 14:42
  of
• 14:42
  the
• 14:42
  same.
• 14:43
  They.
• 14:43
  They
• 14:43
  create
• 14:44
  a
• 14:44
  wake.
• 14:44
  They
• 14:44
  don't
• 14:45
  create
• 14:45
  a
• 14:45
  lot
• 14:45
  of,
• 14:45
  you
• 14:46
  know,
• 14:46
  loud
• 14:46
  noise.
• 14:47
  So
• 14:47
  as
• 14:47
  long
• 14:47
  as
• 14:47
  you
• 14:47
  can
• 14:48
  create
• 14:48
  that
• 14:48
  disturbance
• 14:49
  and
• 14:49
  then
• 14:50
  just
• 14:50
  depending
• 14:50
  on
• 14:51
  what
• 14:51
  your
• 14:51
  flow
• 14:51
  is
• 14:52
  and
• 14:52
  what
• 14:52
  the
• 14:52
  clarity
• 14:53
  is,
• 14:54
  directly
• 14:55
  correlate
• 14:55
  that
• 14:56
  to
• 14:56
  the
• 14:56
  amount
• 14:57
  of
• 14:57
  noise
• 14:57
  that
• 14:58
  you
• 14:58
  make
• 14:58
  with
• 14:59
  the
• 14:59
  frog.
• 15:01
  And
• 15:01
  that's
• 15:01
  going
• 15:01
  to
• 15:01
  get
• 15:01
  you
• 15:02
  the
• 15:02
  most
• 15:02
  eats.
• 15:02
  And.
• 15:03
  But
• 15:03
  a
• 15:03
  lot
• 15:03
  of
• 15:03
  times
• 15:04
  when
• 15:04
  they're
• 15:04
  really
• 15:04
  on
• 15:05
  them,
• 15:06
  you
• 15:06
  literally
• 15:06
  just
• 15:06
  hit
• 15:07
  the
• 15:07
  water
• 15:07
  with
• 15:07
  the
• 15:07
  frog
• 15:08
  and
• 15:08
  you
• 15:08
  wait
• 15:08
  two
• 15:08
  seconds
• 15:09
  and
• 15:09
  you've
• 15:09
  got
• 15:09
  a
• 15:09
  fish
• 15:09
  on.
• 15:10
  So
• 15:10
  it's
• 15:10
  like
• 15:10
  sometimes
• 15:11
  you
• 15:11
  don't
• 15:11
  even
• 15:11
  get
• 15:11
  a
• 15:11
  chance
• 15:11
  to
• 15:12
  pop.
• 15:13
  And
• 15:13
  I
• 15:14
  say
• 15:14
  that
• 15:14
  about
• 15:14
  any
• 15:15
  type
• 15:15
  of
• 15:16
  top
• 15:16
  water.
• 15:17
  I
• 15:17
  might
• 15:17
  be
• 15:17
  jumping
• 15:17
  ahead
• 15:18
  here,
• 15:18
  but,
• 15:18
  like,
• 15:19
  the
• 15:20
  initial
• 15:20
  plop
• 15:21
  of
• 15:21
  the
• 15:21
  fly
• 15:22
  hitting
• 15:22
  the
• 15:22
  water
• 15:23
  is
• 15:23
  the
• 15:23
  most
• 15:24
  realistic
• 15:24
  sound
• 15:25
  of
• 15:25
  your
• 15:26
  entire
• 15:26
  presentation.
• 15:27
  So
• 15:27
  ride
• 15:28
  that
• 15:28
  out
• 15:28
  as
• 15:29
  long
• 15:29
  as
• 15:29
  you
• 15:29
  can,
• 15:29
  because
• 15:30
  that's
• 15:30
  what
• 15:30
  those
• 15:31
  fish
• 15:31
  are
• 15:31
  keen
• 15:31
  in
• 15:31
  on,
• 15:32
  is
• 15:32
  something
• 15:32
  hitting
• 15:32
  the
• 15:33
  water.
• 15:35
  Because
• 15:35
  no
• 15:35
  matter
• 15:35
  whether
• 15:36
  it's
• 15:36
  a
• 15:36
  cicada,
• 15:36
  a
• 15:37
  frog,
• 15:37
  a
• 15:38
  grasshopper,
• 15:39
  they're
• 15:39
  all
• 15:39
  going
• 15:39
  to
• 15:39
  hit
• 15:39
  the
• 15:40
  water
• 15:40
  and
• 15:40
  create
• 15:40
  some
• 15:40
  disturbance
• 15:41
  immediately.
• 15:42
  And
• 15:42
  then
• 15:42
  after
• 15:43
  that,
• 15:43
  it's
• 15:43
  kind
• 15:44
  of
• 15:44
  just
• 15:44
  imitating
• 15:44
  what,
• 15:45
  you
• 15:45
  know,
• 15:45
  what
• 15:45
  the
• 15:45
  rest
• 15:46
  of
• 15:46
  that
• 15:46
  bug
• 15:46
  or
• 15:46
  that
• 15:47
  forage
• 15:47
  food
• 15:48
  does,
• 15:48
  so.
• 15:49
  Got
• 15:50
  it.
• 15:50
  And
• 15:50
  so
• 15:50
  when
• 15:50
  you
• 15:51
  want
• 15:51
  to
• 15:51
  wake,
• 15:51
  are
• 15:51
  you
• 15:52
  slowly
• 15:52
  stripping
• 15:52
  the
• 15:53
  fly?
• 15:53
  Are
• 15:53
  you
• 15:53
  lifting
• 15:53
  the
• 15:54
  rod
• 15:54
  and
• 15:54
  kind
• 15:54
  of
• 15:54
  almost
• 15:55
  pulling
• 15:55
  the
• 15:55
  fly
• 15:55
  towards
• 15:56
  you?
• 15:58
  I
• 15:58
  do
• 15:58
  a
• 15:58
  little
• 15:59
  bit
• 15:59
  of
• 15:59
  both.
• 16:00
  I
• 16:01
  like
• 16:01
  to
• 16:01
  pull
• 16:01
  the
• 16:02
  fly
• 16:03
  because
• 16:03
  you're
• 16:04
  connected
• 16:04
  the
• 16:04
  entire
• 16:05
  time.
• 16:06
  You
• 16:06
  know,
• 16:07
  if
• 16:07
  you
• 16:07
  lift
• 16:07
  the
• 16:07
  rod
• 16:08
  and
• 16:08
  then
• 16:08
  drop
• 16:09
  it,
• 16:09
  you've
• 16:09
  got
• 16:09
  to
• 16:09
  kind
• 16:10
  of
• 16:10
  be
• 16:10
  on
• 16:10
  it
• 16:11
  to,
• 16:12
  you
• 16:12
  know,
• 16:12
  pick
• 16:12
  up
• 16:12
  that
• 16:13
  slack
• 16:13
  because,
• 16:14
  you
• 16:14
  know,
• 16:14
  a
• 16:14
  lot
• 16:14
  of
• 16:14
  times
• 16:15
  those
• 16:15
  fish
• 16:15
  eat
• 16:15
  it
• 16:15
  pretty
• 16:16
  aggressively.
• 16:16
  But
• 16:17
  the
• 16:17
  flip
• 16:17
  side
• 16:17
  of
• 16:18
  that
• 16:18
  is
• 16:18
  that,
• 16:19
  you
• 16:19
  know,
• 16:19
  just
• 16:19
  like
• 16:20
  a
• 16:20
  big
• 16:20
  brown
• 16:21
  trout
• 16:21
  eating
• 16:21
  a
• 16:22
  grasshopper
• 16:22
  out
• 16:22
  west,
• 16:23
  like,
• 16:23
  sometimes
• 16:24
  the
• 16:24
  longer
• 16:24
  you
• 16:24
  wait,
• 16:25
  the
• 16:25
  better
• 16:25
  chance
• 16:25
  you
• 16:25
  have
• 16:26
  to
• 16:26
  hook
• 16:26
  that
• 16:26
  fish.
• 16:27
  So
• 16:28
  a
• 16:28
  little
• 16:28
  bit
• 16:29
  of
• 16:29
  slack's
• 16:29
  not
• 16:29
  bad.
• 16:29
  But
• 16:30
  typically
• 16:30
  what
• 16:30
  I
• 16:30
  do
• 16:31
  and
• 16:31
  I
• 16:31
  tell
• 16:31
  most
• 16:32
  my
• 16:32
  clients
• 16:32
  to
• 16:32
  do
• 16:32
  is
• 16:32
  just
• 16:33
  kind
• 16:33
  of
• 16:34
  a
• 16:34
  12
• 16:34
  to
• 16:35
  18
• 16:35
  inch
• 16:35
  pull.
• 16:36
  You
• 16:36
  know,
• 16:36
  just
• 16:36
  like
• 16:36
  you're
• 16:36
  stripping
• 16:37
  a
• 16:37
  streamer
• 16:37
  and
• 16:37
  just
• 16:37
  pull
• 16:38
  it
• 16:38
  and
• 16:38
  let
• 16:38
  it
• 16:39
  sit.
• 16:40
  If
• 16:41
  we're
• 16:41
  on
• 16:41
  anchor,
• 16:42
  that's
• 16:42
  another
• 16:43
  kind
• 16:43
  of
• 16:43
  interesting
• 16:43
  way
• 16:44
  to
• 16:44
  do
• 16:44
  it.
• 16:44
  What
• 16:44
  I
• 16:44
  typically
• 16:45
  do
• 16:45
  is
• 16:45
  have
• 16:46
  the
• 16:46
  my
• 16:47
  either
• 16:47
  myself
• 16:47
  or
• 16:48
  one
• 16:48
  of
• 16:48
  my
• 16:48
  clients
• 16:48
  cast
• 16:49
  slightly
• 16:50
  upstream
• 16:51
  and
• 16:51
  then
• 16:52
  you're
• 16:52
  presenting
• 16:53
  that
• 16:53
  fly
• 16:53
  as
• 16:54
  a
• 16:54
  mend
• 16:54
  instead
• 16:55
  of
• 16:55
  a
• 16:55
  strip
• 16:55
  so
• 16:55
  you
• 16:55
  can
• 16:56
  get
• 16:56
  a
• 16:56
  longer
• 16:56
  parallel
• 16:57
  drift
• 16:57
  to
• 16:58
  the
• 16:58
  bank
• 16:58
  versus
• 16:59
  like
• 16:59
  stripping
• 16:59
  it
• 17:00
  off
• 17:00
  the
• 17:00
  bank
• 17:00
  further
• 17:01
  and
• 17:01
  further
• 17:01
  away.
• 17:01
  You
• 17:01
  can,
• 17:02
  you
• 17:02
  know,
• 17:02
  kind
• 17:02
  of
• 17:03
  cast
• 17:03
  it
• 17:03
  upstream,
• 17:04
  let
• 17:04
  it
• 17:04
  float
• 17:04
  from
• 17:05
  five
• 17:05
  or
• 17:05
  six,
• 17:05
  you
• 17:06
  know,
• 17:06
  feet,
• 17:06
  then
• 17:06
  throw
• 17:07
  another
• 17:07
  mend
• 17:08
  in
• 17:08
  it.
• 17:08
  A
• 17:08
  little
• 17:08
  men,
• 17:08
  not
• 17:09
  a
• 17:09
  big
• 17:09
  one,
• 17:10
  little
• 17:10
  men
• 17:10
  in
• 17:10
  it.
• 17:10
  That
• 17:11
  frog
• 17:11
  slides
• 17:11
  or
• 17:12
  pops
• 17:12
  a
• 17:12
  little
• 17:12
  bit,
• 17:13
  you
• 17:13
  pick
• 17:13
  up
• 17:13
  the
• 17:14
  slack
• 17:14
  and
• 17:14
  now
• 17:14
  you're
• 17:15
  running
• 17:15
  kind
• 17:15
  of
• 17:15
  like
• 17:15
  you
• 17:15
  said,
• 17:16
  parallel
• 17:16
  to
• 17:16
  the
• 17:16
  bank
• 17:17
  for
• 17:17
  longer.
• 17:18
  And
• 17:18
  that's
• 17:19
  a
• 17:19
  great
• 17:19
  way
• 17:19
  to
• 17:19
  do
• 17:19
  it
• 17:20
  too.
• 17:20
  So
• 17:20
  instead
• 17:20
  of
• 17:20
  actually
• 17:21
  stripping
• 17:21
  it
• 17:21
  in,
• 17:21
  you're
• 17:22
  mending
• 17:22
  it,
• 17:22
  picking
• 17:22
  up
• 17:22
  slack.
• 17:23
  Mending
• 17:23
  it,
• 17:23
  picking
• 17:24
  up
• 17:24
  the
• 17:24
  slack.
• 17:25
  Got
• 17:26
  it.
• 17:26
  And
• 17:26
  obviously
• 17:27
  you're
• 17:27
  fishing
• 17:27
  them
• 17:27
  on
• 17:27
  a
• 17:27
  floater,
• 17:28
  but
• 17:28
  kind
• 17:28
  of
• 17:28
  what's
• 17:29
  your
• 17:29
  preferred
• 17:29
  kind
• 17:29
  of
• 17:30
  rod,
• 17:30
  reel
• 17:30
  and
• 17:31
  line
• 17:31
  and
• 17:31
  leader
• 17:31
  setup.
• 17:34
  So
• 17:34
  in
• 17:34
  the
• 17:34
  last
• 17:35
  two
• 17:35
  years
• 17:35
  I've,
• 17:36
  I've
• 17:36
  really
• 17:37
  got
• 17:37
  into
• 17:37
  like
• 17:37
  the
• 17:38
  seven
• 17:38
  weights
• 17:38
  for
• 17:38
  that.
• 17:40
  You
• 17:40
  can
• 17:41
  definitely
• 17:41
  get
• 17:41
  away
• 17:41
  with
• 17:41
  throwing
• 17:42
  an
• 17:42
  8
• 17:42
  weight.
• 17:42
  You
• 17:42
  can
• 17:42
  throw
• 17:43
  a
• 17:43
  6
• 17:43
  weight
• 17:43
  but
• 17:43
  you
• 17:43
  know,
• 17:44
  frogs
• 17:44
  are
• 17:44
  kind
• 17:44
  of
• 17:44
  big.
• 17:45
  So
• 17:46
  I
• 17:46
  think
• 17:46
  the
• 17:46
  seven
• 17:47
  weight
• 17:47
  gives
• 17:47
  you
• 17:47
  the
• 17:47
  most
• 17:48
  control
• 17:49
  and
• 17:49
  it
• 17:49
  also
• 17:50
  lands
• 17:51
  on
• 17:51
  the
• 17:51
  water
• 17:51
  a
• 17:51
  little
• 17:52
  bit
• 17:52
  softer.
• 17:53
  So
• 17:53
  set
• 17:54
  9
• 17:54
  foot
• 17:54
  7
• 17:54
  weight
• 17:55
  is
• 17:55
  definitely
• 17:55
  my
• 17:55
  go
• 17:56
  to
• 17:56
  when
• 17:56
  it
• 17:56
  comes
• 17:56
  to
• 17:56
  frogs.
• 17:58
  I
• 17:58
  do
• 17:58
  like
• 17:58
  the
• 17:58
  scientific
• 17:59
  angler
• 17:59
  bass
• 18:00
  bug
• 18:00
  line
• 18:00
  for
• 18:00
  fish
• 18:01
  and
• 18:01
  frogs.
• 18:02
  That's
• 18:02
  what
• 18:02
  it
• 18:02
  was
• 18:02
  designed
• 18:03
  for.
• 18:03
  So
• 18:04
  you
• 18:04
  know
• 18:04
  you
• 18:04
  can
• 18:04
  get
• 18:05
  away
• 18:05
  with
• 18:05
  a,
• 18:05
  a
• 18:06
  seven
• 18:06
  weight
• 18:06
  line
• 18:07
  which
• 18:07
  is
• 18:07
  technically
• 18:08
  a
• 18:08
  nine
• 18:08
  weight.
• 18:09
  There
• 18:09
  be
• 18:10
  a
• 18:10
  grain
• 18:10
  weight
• 18:10
  for
• 18:11
  the
• 18:11
  line.
• 18:11
  So
• 18:13
  it's
• 18:14
  just
• 18:14
  turns
• 18:14
  that
• 18:15
  fly
• 18:15
  over
• 18:15
  a
• 18:15
  distance
• 18:16
  further.
• 18:16
  When
• 18:17
  I'm
• 18:17
  fishing
• 18:17
  frogs
• 18:19
  leader
• 18:19
  length,
• 18:20
  I'm
• 18:21
  typically
• 18:21
  in
• 18:21
  that
• 18:21
  kind
• 18:22
  of
• 18:22
  eight
• 18:22
  foot
• 18:22
  range,
• 18:22
  seven
• 18:23
  and
• 18:23
  a
• 18:23
  half
• 18:23
  to
• 18:23
  eight
• 18:23
  foot
• 18:24
  range.
• 18:24
  Because
• 18:25
  the
• 18:25
  bigger
• 18:25
  the
• 18:25
  bug,
• 18:26
  this
• 18:26
  is
• 18:26
  one
• 18:27
  of
• 18:27
  my
• 18:27
  kind
• 18:28
  of
• 18:28
  rules
• 18:28
  of
• 18:28
  thumbs
• 18:29
  or
• 18:29
  guidelines
• 18:30
  is
• 18:30
  the
• 18:31
  bigger
• 18:31
  the
• 18:31
  fly,
• 18:32
  the
• 18:32
  shorter
• 18:32
  the
• 18:32
  leader
• 18:33
  because
• 18:33
  you
• 18:33
  can't,
• 18:34
  you
• 18:35
  can't
• 18:35
  turn
• 18:35
  over
• 18:35
  a
• 18:36
  big
• 18:36
  streamer,
• 18:36
  you
• 18:36
  can't
• 18:37
  turn
• 18:37
  over
• 18:37
  a
• 18:37
  big
• 18:37
  frog
• 18:38
  with
• 18:38
  a
• 18:38
  9,
• 18:39
  10,
• 18:39
  11
• 18:39
  foot,
• 18:39
  12
• 18:40
  foot
• 18:40
  leader.
• 18:40
  So
• 18:41
  typically
• 18:41
  I
• 18:42
  like
• 18:42
  to
• 18:42
  stay
• 18:42
  in
• 18:42
  that
• 18:42
  8
• 18:43
  foot
• 18:43
  leader
• 18:43
  section
• 18:44
  or
• 18:44
  length
• 18:45
  for,
• 18:46
  for
• 18:46
  frogs.
• 18:47
  So
• 18:47
  9
• 18:47
  foot
• 18:48
  7
• 18:48
  weight
• 18:48
  scientific
• 18:49
  angler
• 18:50
  bass
• 18:50
  bug
• 18:51
  line
• 18:51
  and
• 18:51
  an
• 18:51
  8
• 18:51
  foot
• 18:52
  leader
• 18:53
  poundage
• 18:54
  wise
• 18:54
  for
• 18:54
  the
• 18:54
  tippet,
• 18:55
  anywhere
• 18:55
  from
• 18:56
  12
• 18:56
  to
• 18:56
  20
• 18:56
  pounds
• 18:57
  just
• 18:57
  depends
• 18:57
  on,
• 18:58
  you
• 18:58
  know,
• 18:58
  what
• 18:58
  the
• 18:59
  clarity
• 18:59
  is
• 18:59
  and
• 18:59
  things
• 19:00
  like
• 19:00
  that.
• 19:00
  So.
• 19:01
  Got
• 19:02
  it.
• 19:02
  And
• 19:02
  you
• 19:02
  got
• 19:02
  a
• 19:03
  favorite
• 19:03
  flavor
• 19:03
  rod.
• 19:05
  I
• 19:05
  love
• 19:06
  scott
• 19:06
  rods.
• 19:07
  That's
• 19:07
  pretty
• 19:07
  much
• 19:08
  all
• 19:08
  I
• 19:08
  fish
• 19:08
  now.
• 19:09
  The
• 19:10
  Scott
• 19:11
  centric
• 19:12
  9
• 19:12
  foot
• 19:12
  7
• 19:13
  weight
• 19:13
  in
• 19:13
  my
• 19:13
  opinion
• 19:14
  is
• 19:14
  one
• 19:14
  of
• 19:14
  the
• 19:14
  most
• 19:15
  fun
• 19:15
  bass
• 19:15
  rods
• 19:16
  or
• 19:16
  frog
• 19:17
  rods
• 19:17
  that
• 19:17
  you
• 19:17
  can
• 19:17
  have.
• 19:18
  It's,
• 19:18
  you
• 19:18
  know,
• 19:18
  it's
• 19:18
  definitely
• 19:19
  got
• 19:19
  a
• 19:19
  little
• 19:19
  bit
• 19:20
  softer
• 19:20
  of
• 19:20
  a
• 19:20
  tip
• 19:21
  to
• 19:21
  it,
• 19:21
  but
• 19:22
  it's
• 19:23
  got
• 19:23
  a
• 19:23
  really
• 19:24
  nice
• 19:24
  backbone
• 19:25
  to
• 19:25
  turn
• 19:25
  over
• 19:25
  those,
• 19:25
  turn
• 19:26
  over
• 19:26
  those
• 19:26
  bugs.
• 19:27
  So
• 19:27
  it's
• 19:27
  a
• 19:27
  great
• 19:27
  rod
• 19:28
  for
• 19:28
  that.
• 19:30
  But
• 19:30
  you
• 19:30
  know,
• 19:31
  any
• 19:32
  fast
• 19:32
  action
• 19:33
  rod
• 19:33
  is,
• 19:33
  is
• 19:34
  great.
• 19:34
  But
• 19:34
  scouts
• 19:35
  are
• 19:35
  definitely
• 19:35
  the
• 19:35
  only
• 19:35
  thing
• 19:35
  on
• 19:36
  my
• 19:36
  boat.
• 19:37
  Well,
• 19:37
  there
• 19:37
  you
• 19:37
  go.
• 19:37
  Well,
• 19:38
  before
• 19:38
  we
• 19:38
  get
• 19:38
  to
• 19:38
  bugs,
• 19:39
  you
• 19:39
  know,
• 19:39
  what
• 19:39
  other
• 19:39
  kind
• 19:40
  of
• 19:40
  non
• 19:40
  bug
• 19:41
  top
• 19:41
  water
• 19:41
  situations
• 19:42
  do
• 19:42
  you
• 19:42
  like
• 19:42
  to
• 19:42
  fish?
• 19:44
  Oh,
• 19:45
  non
• 19:45
  bug
• 19:45
  top
• 19:46
  water.
• 19:49
  So
• 19:51
  the,
• 19:55
  what
• 19:55
  the
• 19:55
  heck
• 19:55
  is
• 19:55
  that
• 19:56
  thing
• 19:56
  called?
• 19:57
  There's
• 19:58
  like
• 19:58
  that,
• 19:58
  that
• 19:59
  foam
• 19:59
  spook
• 20:00
  that's
• 20:00
  out
• 20:00
  there,
• 20:01
  that
• 20:02
  fish
• 20:02
  chase
• 20:03
  flies
• 20:03
  guy,
• 20:04
  I
• 20:04
  forget
• 20:04
  his
• 20:04
  name
• 20:05
  but
• 20:05
  he,
• 20:06
  he
• 20:06
  ties
• 20:06
  those
• 20:06
  things.
• 20:07
  So
• 20:07
  I'd
• 20:07
  like,
• 20:07
  I
• 20:08
  like
• 20:08
  to
• 20:08
  throw
• 20:08
  bait
• 20:09
  fish
• 20:09
  top
• 20:10
  water,
• 20:10
  especially
• 20:10
  in
• 20:11
  the
• 20:11
  fall.
• 20:13
  But
• 20:13
  I've
• 20:13
  gotten,
• 20:14
  I've
• 20:14
  gotten
• 20:14
  into,
• 20:14
  you
• 20:15
  know,
• 20:15
  kind
• 20:15
  of
• 20:15
  that
• 20:16
  spook
• 20:16
  kind
• 20:17
  of
• 20:17
  gliding
• 20:17
  glide
• 20:18
  bait,
• 20:18
  if
• 20:18
  you
• 20:18
  will,
• 20:20
  on
• 20:20
  top,
• 20:20
  which
• 20:21
  is
• 20:21
  super
• 20:21
  fun.
• 20:22
  But
• 20:22
  that's
• 20:23
  pretty
• 20:23
  much
• 20:23
  it.
• 20:23
  I
• 20:23
  mean
• 20:24
  if
• 20:24
  it's
• 20:24
  not,
• 20:25
  if
• 20:25
  it's
• 20:25
  not
• 20:25
  some
• 20:26
  sort
• 20:26
  of
• 20:26
  bug,
• 20:26
  the
• 20:27
  only
• 20:27
  other
• 20:27
  thing
• 20:27
  would
• 20:27
  be
• 20:28
  just,
• 20:28
  you
• 20:28
  know,
• 20:28
  if
• 20:29
  we
• 20:29
  don't
• 20:29
  see
• 20:29
  a
• 20:29
  lot
• 20:29
  going
• 20:29
  on,
• 20:30
  just
• 20:30
  throwing
• 20:30
  regular
• 20:30
  poppers,
• 20:31
  Google
• 20:31
  bugs
• 20:32
  and
• 20:32
  things
• 20:32
  like
• 20:32
  that.
• 20:32
  But
• 20:33
  you
• 20:34
  know,
• 20:34
  I,
• 20:34
  I
• 20:35
  typically
• 20:35
  try
• 20:36
  to
• 20:37
  imitate
• 20:38
  whatever
• 20:38
  is
• 20:39
  around
• 20:40
  and
• 20:40
  if
• 20:40
  I
• 20:40
  don't
• 20:40
  have
• 20:41
  a
• 20:41
  lot
• 20:41
  of
• 20:41
  stuff
• 20:41
  or
• 20:42
  you
• 20:42
  know,
• 20:42
  water
• 20:42
  temps
• 20:42
  are
• 20:43
  different,
• 20:43
  then
• 20:43
  I
• 20:43
  just
• 20:43
  stay
• 20:44
  subsurface
• 20:44
  and
• 20:45
  that'll
• 20:45
  be
• 20:45
  the
• 20:45
  end
• 20:46
  of
• 20:46
  it.
• 20:46
  So
• 20:47
  yeah,
• 20:47
  I
• 20:47
  guess.
• 20:47
  And
• 20:47
  so
• 20:48
  for
• 20:48
  kind
• 20:48
  of,
• 20:48
  let's
• 20:48
  just
• 20:48
  say
• 20:49
  the
• 20:49
  standard
• 20:49
  kind
• 20:50
  of
• 20:50
  non
• 20:50
  summer
• 20:50
  bug
• 20:51
  stuff,
• 20:51
  you
• 20:51
  know,
• 20:51
  do
• 20:51
  you,
• 20:52
  you
• 20:52
  know,
• 20:52
  do
• 20:52
  you
• 20:52
  prefer
• 20:53
  open
• 20:53
  face
• 20:54
  poppers,
• 20:54
  sliders?
• 20:55
  I
• 20:55
  mean,
• 20:55
  is
• 20:55
  there
• 20:56
  a
• 20:56
  kind
• 20:56
  of
• 20:56
  a
• 20:56
  preference
• 20:56
  there,
• 20:57
  any
• 20:57
  kind
• 20:57
  of
• 20:57
  colors
• 20:57
  or
• 20:58
  anything
• 20:58
  like
• 20:58
  that
• 20:58
  that
• 20:58
  you
• 20:58
  like,
• 20:59
  you
• 20:59
  know,
• 20:59
  one
• 21:00
  more
• 21:00
  than
• 21:00
  the
• 21:00
  other?
• 21:02
  I,
• 21:03
  I
• 21:03
  like
• 21:03
  the
• 21:06
  kind
• 21:06
  of
• 21:06
  more
• 21:07
  that
• 21:07
  open
• 21:07
  face
• 21:07
  deal.
• 21:09
  I
• 21:09
  don't
• 21:09
  do
• 21:10
  a
• 21:10
  lot
• 21:10
  of
• 21:10
  slider
• 21:10
  fishing
• 21:11
  personally,
• 21:12
  but
• 21:12
  if
• 21:13
  it's
• 21:13
  chartreuse
• 21:14
  or
• 21:14
  yellow,
• 21:14
  those
• 21:15
  are
• 21:15
  my
• 21:15
  two
• 21:15
  favorite
• 21:16
  colors.
• 21:16
  I
• 21:16
  mean,
• 21:16
  Google
• 21:17
  bugs
• 21:17
  have
• 21:17
  the
• 21:17
  solar
• 21:18
  flare
• 21:18
  which
• 21:18
  is
• 21:18
  that
• 21:18
  like
• 21:19
  yellowy
• 21:20
  chartreuse
• 21:20
  and
• 21:20
  they
• 21:21
  have
• 21:21
  yellow
• 21:21
  fellow
• 21:22
  which
• 21:22
  is
• 21:22
  just
• 21:22
  straight
• 21:23
  yellow.
• 21:24
  Those
• 21:24
  are
• 21:25
  probably
• 21:26
  the
• 21:26
  two
• 21:26
  most
• 21:27
  popular
• 21:28
  prospecting
• 21:29
  bugs
• 21:30
  that
• 21:30
  I
• 21:30
  use.
• 21:30
  And
• 21:30
  those
• 21:31
  are,
• 21:31
  I
• 21:31
  think
• 21:31
  they
• 21:32
  come
• 21:32
  in
• 21:32
  A,
• 21:34
  a
• 21:35
  4,
• 21:35
  6
• 21:36
  and
• 21:36
  an
• 21:36
  8.
• 21:36
  I
• 21:37
  really
• 21:37
  like
• 21:37
  the
• 21:37
  sixes,
• 21:38
  the
• 21:38
  mid,
• 21:38
  the
• 21:39
  mid
• 21:39
  sized
• 21:39
  one,
• 21:39
  they're,
• 21:40
  they're
• 21:40
  easy
• 21:41
  to
• 21:41
  cast,
• 21:41
  they
• 21:41
  create
• 21:42
  enough
• 21:42
  disturbance
• 21:43
  and
• 21:44
  they're
• 21:44
  super,
• 21:44
  super
• 21:45
  easy
• 21:45
  for
• 21:45
  those
• 21:45
  fish
• 21:46
  to
• 21:46
  get
• 21:46
  in
• 21:46
  their
• 21:46
  mouth.
• 21:46
  So
• 21:47
  when
• 21:48
  you
• 21:48
  talk
• 21:48
  about
• 21:48
  hookup
• 21:49
  ratio,
• 21:50
  that
• 21:50
  kind
• 21:50
  of
• 21:50
  mid
• 21:51
  sized
• 21:51
  Google
• 21:51
  bug
• 21:52
  is
• 21:53
  definitely,
• 21:53
  you
• 21:54
  know,
• 21:54
  the,
• 21:54
  the
• 21:55
  king
• 21:55
  of
• 21:55
  that,
• 21:55
  if
• 21:55
  you
• 21:56
  will.
• 21:56
  King
• 21:56
  or
• 21:56
  queen.
• 21:57
  Yeah,
• 21:58
  there
• 21:58
  you
• 21:58
  go.
• 21:58
  And
• 21:58
  I
• 21:58
  would
• 21:58
  imagine
• 21:59
  right
• 21:59
  tackle's
• 22:00
  the
• 22:00
  same
• 22:00
  except
• 22:00
  if
• 22:01
  you
• 22:01
  have
• 22:01
  a
• 22:01
  smaller
• 22:01
  bug,
• 22:02
  you're
• 22:02
  using
• 22:02
  a
• 22:02
  longer
• 22:02
  leader.
• 22:04
  Yes,
• 22:04
  Yep,
• 22:05
  yep,
• 22:05
  exactly.
• 22:06
  So,
• 22:06
  you
• 22:06
  know,
• 22:07
  we
• 22:07
  get
• 22:07
  into
• 22:07
  that
• 22:07
  summertime
• 22:08
  situation.
• 22:08
  There's
• 22:09
  times
• 22:09
  where
• 22:09
  we're
• 22:09
  running
• 22:10
  12
• 22:10
  to
• 22:10
  14
• 22:11
  foot
• 22:11
  leaders
• 22:11
  which,
• 22:12
  you
• 22:12
  know,
• 22:12
  a
• 22:12
  lot
• 22:13
  of
• 22:13
  people
• 22:13
  don't
• 22:14
  like
• 22:14
  to
• 22:14
  do.
• 22:14
  But
• 22:14
  in
• 22:15
  my
• 22:15
  personal
• 22:16
  opinion,
• 22:17
  I
• 22:17
  love
• 22:17
  that
• 22:18
  kind
• 22:18
  of
• 22:18
  technical
• 22:19
  dry
• 22:19
  fly
• 22:19
  fishing,
• 22:20
  you
• 22:20
  know,
• 22:20
  where
• 22:21
  you've
• 22:21
  got
• 22:21
  to
• 22:21
  have
• 22:21
  a
• 22:21
  long
• 22:22
  leader.
• 22:22
  It's
• 22:22
  got
• 22:22
  to
• 22:22
  be,
• 22:23
  you
• 22:23
  know,
• 22:23
  presented
• 22:24
  properly
• 22:24
  and,
• 22:24
  you
• 22:25
  know,
• 22:25
  quietly
• 22:25
  but
• 22:26
  still
• 22:26
  within,
• 22:26
  you
• 22:27
  know,
• 22:27
  earshot
• 22:28
  of
• 22:28
  the
• 22:28
  fish.
• 22:29
  So,
• 22:30
  you
• 22:30
  know,
• 22:30
  and
• 22:30
  typically
• 22:31
  when
• 22:31
  we
• 22:31
  get
• 22:31
  to
• 22:31
  that
• 22:32
  level,
• 22:32
  we're
• 22:32
  starting
• 22:32
  to
• 22:32
  sight
• 22:33
  fish
• 22:33
  on,
• 22:33
  on
• 22:33
  top
• 22:34
  water.
• 22:34
  And
• 22:35
  that
• 22:35
  to
• 22:35
  me
• 22:35
  is
• 22:36
  the
• 22:36
  coolest
• 22:37
  thing
• 22:37
  ever.
• 22:37
  So.
• 22:38
  Yeah,
• 22:38
  and
• 22:39
  to
• 22:39
  kind
• 22:39
  of
• 22:39
  help
• 22:39
  manage
• 22:40
  frustration
• 22:40
  at
• 22:41
  the
• 22:41
  bow
• 22:41
  of
• 22:41
  the
• 22:41
  boat,
• 22:42
  you
• 22:42
  know,
• 22:42
  how
• 22:42
  far
• 22:43
  do
• 22:43
  you
• 22:43
  need
• 22:43
  people
• 22:43
  to
• 22:43
  be
• 22:44
  able
• 22:44
  to
• 22:44
  cast
• 22:44
  in
• 22:44
  the
• 22:44
  summertime?
• 22:45
  Because
• 22:45
  I
• 22:45
  know
• 22:45
  the
• 22:45
  fish
• 22:46
  get
• 22:46
  spooky,
• 22:46
  right.
• 22:47
  And
• 22:47
  so,
• 22:47
  you
• 22:48
  know,
• 22:48
  obviously
• 22:48
  longer
• 22:49
  can
• 22:49
  generally
• 22:49
  be
• 22:49
  better,
• 22:50
  but
• 22:50
  kind
• 22:50
  of
• 22:50
  what's
• 22:50
  a,
• 22:51
  you
• 22:51
  know,
• 22:51
  people
• 22:51
  are
• 22:51
  in
• 22:51
  the
• 22:51
  backyard
• 22:52
  practicing
• 22:52
  for
• 22:52
  a
• 22:53
  trip,
• 22:53
  what
• 22:53
  do
• 22:53
  they
• 22:53
  need
• 22:53
  to
• 22:53
  be
• 22:54
  able
• 22:54
  to
• 22:54
  do?
• 22:55
  I
• 22:55
  mean,
• 22:56
  minimum
• 22:56
  summertime
• 22:57
  50ft.
• 22:59
  You
• 22:59
  know,
• 22:59
  it's,
• 23:00
  and
• 23:00
  to
• 23:00
  a
• 23:00
  lot
• 23:00
  of
• 23:01
  people,
• 23:01
  like
• 23:01
  that
• 23:02
  seems
• 23:02
  like
• 23:02
  a
• 23:02
  lot,
• 23:03
  but
• 23:03
  it's,
• 23:03
  it's
• 23:03
  really
• 23:04
  not.
• 23:04
  I
• 23:04
  mean,
• 23:04
  typical
• 23:05
  shooting
• 23:05
  heads
• 23:05
  on
• 23:06
  fly
• 23:06
  lines
• 23:06
  are
• 23:06
  30ft.
• 23:07
  So
• 23:08
  if
• 23:08
  you
• 23:08
  think
• 23:08
  about,
• 23:09
  you
• 23:09
  know,
• 23:09
  basically
• 23:10
  casting
• 23:10
  a
• 23:10
  10
• 23:10
  foot
• 23:11
  leader
• 23:11
  plus
• 23:12
  the
• 23:12
  shooting
• 23:13
  head,
• 23:13
  you're
• 23:13
  already
• 23:13
  at
• 23:14
  40,
• 23:14
  so
• 23:15
  an
• 23:15
  extra
• 23:16
  10ft
• 23:16
  is
• 23:16
  not
• 23:16
  that
• 23:16
  far.
• 23:18
  And
• 23:18
  you
• 23:19
  know,
• 23:19
  you're
• 23:19
  throwing
• 23:19
  smaller
• 23:20
  bucks
• 23:20
  so
• 23:20
  you
• 23:20
  don't
• 23:21
  have
• 23:21
  to
• 23:21
  worry
• 23:21
  about,
• 23:22
  you
• 23:22
  know,
• 23:23
  a
• 23:23
  super
• 23:23
  heavy
• 23:24
  fly,
• 23:24
  you
• 23:24
  know,
• 23:25
  you
• 23:25
  know,
• 23:25
  falling
• 23:26
  too
• 23:26
  quickly
• 23:27
  or,
• 23:27
  you
• 23:27
  know,
• 23:27
  collapsing
• 23:28
  your
• 23:28
  cast
• 23:28
  and
• 23:29
  things
• 23:29
  like
• 23:29
  that.
• 23:29
  So,
• 23:30
  you
• 23:30
  know,
• 23:30
  I'd
• 23:30
  say
• 23:31
  50ft.
• 23:32
  But
• 23:32
  you
• 23:33
  know,
• 23:33
  most
• 23:33
  people
• 23:33
  could
• 23:34
  probably
• 23:34
  already
• 23:34
  do
• 23:34
  that
• 23:35
  without
• 23:35
  even
• 23:36
  realizing
• 23:36
  they
• 23:37
  can
• 23:37
  do
• 23:37
  that.
• 23:38
  And
• 23:39
  so,
• 23:39
  you
• 23:39
  know,
• 23:39
  60,
• 23:40
  70
• 23:40
  is
• 23:40
  never
• 23:41
  a
• 23:41
  bad
• 23:41
  thing.
• 23:41
  But
• 23:42
  then
• 23:42
  the
• 23:42
  further
• 23:42
  you
• 23:42
  get,
• 23:43
  then
• 23:44
  you
• 23:44
  run
• 23:44
  into
• 23:44
  the
• 23:44
  issue
• 23:45
  of,
• 23:45
  you
• 23:45
  know,
• 23:45
  when
• 23:45
  that
• 23:46
  fish
• 23:46
  eats,
• 23:46
  are
• 23:46
  you
• 23:46
  going
• 23:46
  to
• 23:47
  be
• 23:47
  able
• 23:47
  to
• 23:47
  set
• 23:47
  the
• 23:47
  hook
• 23:47
  on
• 23:47
  it?
• 23:48
  So,
• 23:48
  you
• 23:48
  know,
• 23:48
  I
• 23:48
  try
• 23:49
  to,
• 23:49
  I
• 23:49
  try
• 23:49
  to
• 23:49
  get
• 23:50
  them
• 23:50
  to
• 23:50
  within
• 23:50
  50ft.
• 23:51
  That
• 23:51
  seems
• 23:51
  to
• 23:52
  be
• 23:52
  the
• 23:52
  sweet
• 23:52
  spot
• 23:52
  of
• 23:53
  just
• 23:53
  far
• 23:53
  enough
• 23:54
  for
• 23:54
  everything
• 23:55
  to
• 23:55
  work.
• 23:56
  Got
• 23:56
  it.
• 23:56
  And
• 23:56
  so,
• 23:57
  you
• 23:57
  know,
• 23:57
  kind
• 23:57
  of
• 23:57
  in
• 23:58
  your
• 23:58
  neck
• 23:58
  of
• 23:58
  the
• 23:58
  woods,
• 23:58
  when
• 23:59
  do
• 23:59
  you
• 23:59
  shift
• 23:59
  over
• 23:59
  to
• 23:59
  kind
• 24:00
  of
• 24:00
  what,
• 24:00
  you
• 24:00
  know,
• 24:00
  I
• 24:00
  would
• 24:00
  consider
• 24:01
  kind
• 24:01
  of
• 24:01
  traditional
• 24:02
  top
• 24:02
  water
• 24:03
  bug
• 24:03
  fishing
• 24:04
  for
• 24:04
  smallmouth.
• 24:06
  It,
• 24:06
  it
• 24:07
  depends
• 24:07
  on
• 24:07
  the,
• 24:08
  the
• 24:08
  flows,
• 24:09
  of
• 24:09
  course,
• 24:10
  but
• 24:11
  typically
• 24:12
  we're
• 24:12
  that
• 24:13
  last
• 24:13
  week
• 24:13
  of
• 24:14
  July,
• 24:14
  first
• 24:14
  week
• 24:15
  of
• 24:15
  August,
• 24:15
  you
• 24:15
  know,
• 24:15
  we
• 24:16
  start
• 24:16
  to
• 24:16
  get
• 24:16
  those
• 24:16
  lower
• 24:17
  flows,
• 24:18
  you
• 24:18
  know,
• 24:18
  those
• 24:18
  fish
• 24:19
  are
• 24:19
  starting
• 24:20
  to
• 24:20
  pattern.
• 24:21
  You
• 24:21
  know,
• 24:21
  different
• 24:21
  May
• 24:22
  flies,
• 24:22
  the
• 24:22
  annual
• 24:23
  cicadas
• 24:23
  are
• 24:23
  out.
• 24:24
  You
• 24:25
  know,
• 24:25
  we,
• 24:25
  we
• 24:26
  get
• 24:26
  a,
• 24:27
  a
• 24:28
  pretty
• 24:28
  good
• 24:29
  summer
• 24:29
  sulfur
• 24:30
  and
• 24:30
  kale
• 24:30
  hatch
• 24:30
  on,
• 24:31
  on
• 24:31
  our
• 24:31
  rivers.
• 24:33
  And
• 24:33
  on
• 24:33
  any
• 24:33
  given
• 24:34
  day,
• 24:34
  depending
• 24:34
  on
• 24:35
  flows,
• 24:35
  you
• 24:35
  can
• 24:35
  see
• 24:36
  fish,
• 24:36
  you
• 24:37
  know,
• 24:37
  bank
• 24:37
  to
• 24:37
  bank,
• 24:37
  sitting
• 24:38
  inches
• 24:39
  under
• 24:39
  the
• 24:39
  surface,
• 24:40
  patterning
• 24:40
  those
• 24:40
  bugs,
• 24:41
  which
• 24:41
  is
• 24:41
  super
• 24:42
  fun.
• 24:43
  We
• 24:43
  also
• 24:43
  get
• 24:44
  a
• 24:44
  bunch
• 24:44
  of
• 24:44
  bluing
• 24:44
  olives,
• 24:45
  which
• 24:45
  are
• 24:46
  typically
• 24:46
  really,
• 24:47
  really
• 24:47
  tiny
• 24:47
  in
• 24:48
  the
• 24:48
  summertime.
• 24:48
  But,
• 24:49
  you
• 24:49
  know,
• 24:49
  they're
• 24:49
  bass,
• 24:50
  they're
• 24:50
  not
• 24:50
  trout.
• 24:51
  So
• 24:51
  if
• 24:51
  you
• 24:51
  throw
• 24:51
  a
• 24:51
  smaller
• 24:52
  olive
• 24:53
  anything
• 24:54
  in
• 24:54
  front
• 24:54
  of
• 24:54
  them,
• 24:54
  they're
• 24:55
  going
• 24:55
  to
• 24:55
  eat
• 24:55
  it.
• 24:55
  So,
• 24:57
  you
• 24:57
  know,
• 24:57
  I'd
• 24:57
  say
• 24:58
  end
• 24:58
  of
• 24:58
  July,
• 24:58
  early
• 24:59
  August,
• 24:59
  and
• 24:59
  then
• 25:00
  we'll
• 25:00
  kind
• 25:00
  of
• 25:00
  run
• 25:01
  that
• 25:01
  until
• 25:02
  everything
• 25:02
  slows
• 25:02
  up,
• 25:03
  you
• 25:03
  know,
• 25:03
  in
• 25:03
  the
• 25:04
  middle
• 25:04
  to
• 25:04
  end
• 25:04
  of
• 25:05
  September.
• 25:05
  So.
• 25:07
  Got
• 25:07
  it.
• 25:07
  And
• 25:07
  so
• 25:07
  it
• 25:08
  sounds
• 25:08
  like,
• 25:08
  you
• 25:08
  know,
• 25:08
  I
• 25:08
  mean,
• 25:09
  I
• 25:09
  know
• 25:09
  we've
• 25:09
  got
• 25:09
  like
• 25:09
  dragonflies
• 25:10
  and
• 25:10
  we've
• 25:10
  got
• 25:11
  mayflies,
• 25:11
  you
• 25:11
  know,
• 25:12
  kind
• 25:12
  of
• 25:12
  in
• 25:12
  Virginia
• 25:12
  and
• 25:13
  the
• 25:13
  Carolinas,
• 25:13
  but
• 25:14
  sounds
• 25:14
  like
• 25:14
  you've
• 25:15
  got,
• 25:15
  you
• 25:15
  know,
• 25:16
  a
• 25:16
  whole
• 25:16
  kind
• 25:17
  of
• 25:18
  top
• 25:18
  water
• 25:19
  level
• 25:19
  of
• 25:19
  action
• 25:19
  that
• 25:20
  has
• 25:20
  nothing
• 25:20
  to
• 25:20
  do
• 25:20
  with
• 25:20
  fishing.
• 25:21
  Cork
• 25:21
  bugs.
• 25:22
  Yes,
• 25:23
  absolutely.
• 25:24
  We,
• 25:24
  we
• 25:24
  fish
• 25:24
  a
• 25:25
  lot
• 25:25
  of
• 25:25
  foam
• 25:26
  in
• 25:26
  the
• 25:26
  summertime.
• 25:27
  And
• 25:28
  you
• 25:28
  know,
• 25:30
  again,
• 25:30
  when
• 25:30
  we
• 25:30
  get
• 25:30
  into
• 25:31
  those
• 25:31
  kind
• 25:31
  of
• 25:31
  low
• 25:32
  summer
• 25:32
  flows,
• 25:32
  our
• 25:33
  fish
• 25:33
  start
• 25:33
  to
• 25:33
  act
• 25:34
  a
• 25:34
  lot
• 25:34
  like
• 25:34
  spring
• 25:35
  creek
• 25:35
  trout.
• 25:35
  So,
• 25:36
  you
• 25:36
  know,
• 25:37
  cork,
• 25:37
  as
• 25:38
  much
• 25:38
  as
• 25:38
  I
• 25:38
  love
• 25:39
  cork,
• 25:39
  it
• 25:39
  hits
• 25:40
  the
• 25:40
  water
• 25:40
  pretty
• 25:41
  hard
• 25:41
  no
• 25:41
  matter
• 25:41
  how
• 25:41
  good
• 25:42
  you
• 25:42
  are
• 25:42
  and
• 25:42
  how
• 25:42
  delicate
• 25:43
  you
• 25:43
  drop
• 25:43
  it.
• 25:43
  So,
• 25:44
  you
• 25:45
  know,
• 25:45
  fishing
• 25:45
  foam
• 25:47
  is
• 25:47
  really,
• 25:47
  really
• 25:48
  important.
• 25:48
  And
• 25:49
  you
• 25:49
  know,
• 25:49
  we
• 25:50
  fish
• 25:51
  old
• 25:51
  Mr.
• 25:51
  Wigglies
• 25:52
  from
• 25:52
  the
• 25:52
  guys
• 25:52
  up
• 25:52
  in,
• 25:53
  in
• 25:53
  Wisconsin
• 25:53
  and
• 25:54
  tight
• 25:54
  lines.
• 25:54
  I've
• 25:55
  got
• 25:55
  a
• 25:55
  articulated
• 25:57
  damselfly
• 25:57
  that
• 25:57
  I
• 25:58
  tie
• 25:58
  now
• 25:58
  that's,
• 25:59
  you
• 25:59
  know,
• 25:59
  very
• 25:59
  similar
• 26:00
  in
• 26:01
  style
• 26:01
  of
• 26:01
  the
• 26:01
  wiggly,
• 26:02
  but,
• 26:03
  you
• 26:03
  know,
• 26:03
  different
• 26:04
  stone
• 26:04
  flies
• 26:04
  and
• 26:05
  grasshoppers
• 26:05
  and
• 26:05
  things
• 26:06
  like
• 26:06
  that.
• 26:06
  And,
• 26:07
  you
• 26:07
  know,
• 26:07
  it's.
• 26:07
  It's
• 26:08
  kind
• 26:08
  of
• 26:08
  fun.
• 26:08
  And,
• 26:08
  and
• 26:09
  the
• 26:09
  reason,
• 26:10
  one
• 26:10
  of
• 26:10
  the
• 26:10
  reasons
• 26:10
  I
• 26:11
  also
• 26:11
  switched
• 26:12
  to
• 26:12
  more
• 26:12
  of
• 26:12
  that
• 26:12
  foam
• 26:13
  bug
• 26:13
  stuff
• 26:13
  is
• 26:14
  because
• 26:14
  there's
• 26:15
  not
• 26:16
  an
• 26:17
  adult
• 26:17
  on
• 26:18
  this
• 26:18
  planet
• 26:19
  that
• 26:19
  if
• 26:19
  you
• 26:19
  put
• 26:20
  a
• 26:20
  popper
• 26:20
  on
• 26:21
  the
• 26:21
  end
• 26:21
  of
• 26:21
  their
• 26:21
  rod
• 26:22
  and
• 26:22
  tell
• 26:22
  them
• 26:22
  not
• 26:23
  to
• 26:23
  pop
• 26:23
  it,
• 26:24
  that
• 26:24
  they'll
• 26:24
  listen
• 26:25
  to
• 26:25
  you.
• 26:25
  So,
• 26:26
  you
• 26:26
  know,
• 26:26
  no
• 26:26
  Matter
• 26:27
  what
• 26:27
  happens,
• 26:27
  everybody
• 26:28
  wants
• 26:28
  to
• 26:28
  pop
• 26:28
  a
• 26:29
  popper.
• 26:29
  So
• 26:30
  I
• 26:31
  got
• 26:31
  this
• 26:31
  so
• 26:31
  frustrated
• 26:32
  in
• 26:32
  that
• 26:32
  that
• 26:32
  I
• 26:32
  was
• 26:33
  like,
• 26:33
  that's
• 26:33
  it.
• 26:33
  I'm
• 26:34
  cutting
• 26:34
  it
• 26:34
  off
• 26:34
  and
• 26:34
  you're
• 26:34
  getting
• 26:35
  something
• 26:35
  you
• 26:35
  can't
• 26:35
  pop
• 26:35
  no
• 26:36
  matter
• 26:36
  how
• 26:36
  hard
• 26:36
  you
• 26:36
  tried
• 26:37
  it.
• 26:37
  So
• 26:38
  that's
• 26:38
  why
• 26:38
  we
• 26:38
  kind
• 26:38
  of
• 26:39
  switched
• 26:39
  over
• 26:39
  to
• 26:39
  some
• 26:39
  of
• 26:39
  that
• 26:40
  more
• 26:40
  foam
• 26:40
  stuff.
• 26:40
  But
• 26:41
  foam
• 26:42
  is
• 26:42
  also,
• 26:42
  again,
• 26:43
  the
• 26:43
  smaller
• 26:43
  you
• 26:43
  get
• 26:44
  that's
• 26:44
  more
• 26:45
  slender
• 26:45
  you
• 26:45
  get
• 26:45
  on
• 26:46
  profile,
• 26:46
  the
• 26:46
  easier
• 26:46
  it
• 26:47
  is
• 26:47
  to
• 26:47
  get
• 26:47
  in
• 26:47
  a
• 26:47
  fish's
• 26:48
  mouth.
• 26:48
  So
• 26:48
  again,
• 26:49
  hookup
• 26:50
  ratio
• 26:50
  seems
• 26:50
  to
• 26:51
  go
• 26:51
  up,
• 26:51
  you
• 26:51
  know,
• 26:52
  even
• 26:52
  more
• 26:52
  once
• 26:52
  you
• 26:52
  get
• 26:53
  into
• 26:53
  that
• 26:53
  kind
• 26:53
  of
• 26:53
  slender
• 26:54
  foam
• 26:54
  bug.
• 26:55
  So
• 26:56
  interesting.
• 26:56
  So
• 26:56
  you
• 26:57
  don't
• 26:57
  fish,
• 26:57
  say
• 26:57
  for
• 26:58
  example,
• 26:58
  like
• 26:58
  some
• 26:58
  of
• 26:58
  the
• 26:59
  Chuck
• 26:59
  Kraft
• 26:59
  style
• 27:00
  kind
• 27:00
  of
• 27:00
  hard,
• 27:00
  hard
• 27:01
  cork
• 27:01
  bugs.
• 27:02
  I
• 27:03
  do,
• 27:04
  I
• 27:04
  do
• 27:04
  that
• 27:05
  typically
• 27:06
  earlier
• 27:06
  in
• 27:06
  the
• 27:07
  season.
• 27:08
  So
• 27:08
  July
• 27:09
  would
• 27:09
  be
• 27:09
  kind
• 27:10
  of
• 27:10
  the
• 27:10
  time
• 27:10
  frame
• 27:10
  that
• 27:11
  I
• 27:11
  fish
• 27:11
  that.
• 27:11
  I
• 27:11
  love
• 27:12
  the
• 27:12
  Excalibur.
• 27:13
  I
• 27:13
  have
• 27:14
  some
• 27:14
  of
• 27:14
  his
• 27:15
  damsel
• 27:16
  flies.
• 27:16
  Those,
• 27:16
  those
• 27:17
  do
• 27:17
  work.
• 27:17
  But
• 27:18
  you
• 27:19
  know,
• 27:19
  those
• 27:19
  Excaliburs
• 27:20
  are
• 27:20
  pretty
• 27:21
  heavy.
• 27:22
  So
• 27:22
  the
• 27:22
  only
• 27:23
  time,
• 27:23
  you
• 27:23
  know,
• 27:24
  kind
• 27:24
  of
• 27:24
  dead
• 27:24
  summer,
• 27:25
  August,
• 27:25
  September,
• 27:25
  that
• 27:26
  I'll
• 27:26
  fish
• 27:26
  those
• 27:26
  is
• 27:26
  when
• 27:26
  we're
• 27:27
  kind
• 27:27
  of
• 27:27
  fishing
• 27:27
  banks
• 27:28
  that
• 27:28
  have,
• 27:29
  you
• 27:29
  know,
• 27:29
  pretty
• 27:29
  low
• 27:30
  hanging
• 27:30
  trees
• 27:31
  where,
• 27:31
  you
• 27:32
  know,
• 27:32
  it's
• 27:32
  not
• 27:32
  uncommon
• 27:33
  to
• 27:33
  see
• 27:33
  bigger
• 27:34
  bugs
• 27:34
  like
• 27:34
  cicadas
• 27:36
  fall
• 27:36
  out
• 27:36
  of
• 27:37
  them
• 27:37
  because
• 27:38
  when
• 27:38
  they
• 27:38
  hit
• 27:38
  the
• 27:38
  water,
• 27:39
  it's
• 27:39
  a
• 27:39
  pretty
• 27:39
  big
• 27:40
  flop.
• 27:40
  I
• 27:40
  mean
• 27:40
  we
• 27:41
  were,
• 27:41
  we
• 27:42
  were
• 27:42
  fishing
• 27:44
  State
• 27:44
  College
• 27:44
  on
• 27:46
  Friday.
• 27:47
  I
• 27:47
  guess
• 27:47
  the
• 27:47
  last
• 27:48
  time
• 27:48
  I
• 27:48
  bass
• 27:48
  fish
• 27:48
  was
• 27:49
  Thursday.
• 27:49
  Friday
• 27:49
  we
• 27:50
  went
• 27:50
  trout
• 27:50
  fishing.
• 27:51
  We
• 27:51
  went
• 27:52
  up
• 27:52
  and
• 27:52
  fishing
• 27:52
  cicadas
• 27:53
  on,
• 27:53
  on
• 27:53
  one
• 27:53
  of
• 27:53
  the
• 27:54
  Spring
• 27:54
  Creek
• 27:54
  or
• 27:54
  one
• 27:55
  of
• 27:55
  the
• 27:55
  creeks
• 27:55
  up
• 27:55
  in
• 27:56
  State
• 27:56
  College.
• 27:56
  And
• 27:57
  we
• 27:57
  were
• 27:58
  throwing
• 27:58
  the
• 27:58
  cicadas
• 27:59
  in
• 27:59
  the
• 27:59
  water
• 27:59
  and
• 27:59
  even
• 28:00
  just
• 28:01
  us
• 28:01
  throwing
• 28:01
  them
• 28:01
  them
• 28:02
  kind
• 28:02
  of
• 28:02
  fluttering
• 28:03
  down,
• 28:03
  you
• 28:03
  know,
• 28:03
  20ft,
• 28:04
  they
• 28:05
  still
• 28:05
  hit
• 28:05
  the
• 28:05
  water
• 28:05
  pretty
• 28:06
  hard.
• 28:06
  So
• 28:06
  that's
• 28:06
  where
• 28:06
  Chuck
• 28:07
  Craft
• 28:07
  bugs
• 28:07
  really,
• 28:08
  really
• 28:08
  come,
• 28:09
  you
• 28:09
  know,
• 28:09
  come
• 28:10
  out
• 28:10
  I
• 28:10
  think
• 28:10
  is
• 28:10
  when
• 28:11
  those
• 28:11
  bigger
• 28:11
  bugs
• 28:12
  are
• 28:12
  around.
• 28:12
  So.
• 28:13
  Got
• 28:14
  it.
• 28:14
  So
• 28:14
  why
• 28:14
  don't
• 28:14
  you
• 28:15
  give
• 28:15
  me,
• 28:15
  I
• 28:15
  don't
• 28:15
  know,
• 28:16
  you
• 28:16
  know,
• 28:16
  3,
• 28:16
  4,
• 28:17
  5,
• 28:17
  6
• 28:17
  of
• 28:17
  your
• 28:18
  kind
• 28:18
  of
• 28:18
  favorite
• 28:19
  top
• 28:20
  water
• 28:20
  flies
• 28:21
  for
• 28:21
  smallmouth.
• 28:24
  So
• 28:25
  one
• 28:25
  of
• 28:25
  mine
• 28:25
  is
• 28:26
  the
• 28:27
  Russ
• 28:28
  Madden
• 28:28
  Scorpio.
• 28:29
  I
• 28:30
  think
• 28:30
  that's
• 28:30
  how
• 28:30
  you
• 28:30
  say
• 28:30
  it.
• 28:31
  It's
• 28:31
  a
• 28:31
  kind
• 28:32
  of
• 28:32
  a
• 28:32
  foam
• 28:32
  bug
• 28:33
  with
• 28:33
  some
• 28:33
  rubber
• 28:33
  legs
• 28:33
  and
• 28:34
  some
• 28:34
  deer
• 28:34
  hair
• 28:34
  coming
• 28:34
  off
• 28:35
  the
• 28:35
  back.
• 28:36
  Tie
• 28:36
  it
• 28:36
  in
• 28:36
  a
• 28:36
  lot
• 28:37
  of
• 28:37
  different
• 28:37
  colors
• 28:37
  and
• 28:38
  kind
• 28:38
  of
• 28:38
  imitate,
• 28:38
  you
• 28:39
  know,
• 28:39
  anything.
• 28:40
  I
• 28:40
  know
• 28:40
  you
• 28:40
  be,
• 28:41
  if
• 28:41
  you're
• 28:41
  a
• 28:41
  fly
• 28:41
  tire,
• 28:42
  you
• 28:42
  can
• 28:42
  find
• 28:42
  that,
• 28:43
  you
• 28:43
  know,
• 28:44
  find
• 28:44
  the
• 28:44
  recipes
• 28:45
  for
• 28:45
  that.
• 28:45
  But
• 28:45
  it's
• 28:46
  also
• 28:46
  a
• 28:46
  Montana
• 28:47
  fly
• 28:47
  company
• 28:47
  pattern.
• 28:48
  So
• 28:48
  you
• 28:48
  can,
• 28:49
  you
• 28:49
  know,
• 28:49
  purchase
• 28:49
  that.
• 28:50
  The
• 28:51
  old
• 28:51
  Mr.
• 28:51
  Wiggly
• 28:52
  is
• 28:52
  probably
• 28:52
  my
• 28:52
  number
• 28:53
  one,
• 28:53
  you
• 28:54
  know,
• 28:54
  summertime
• 28:54
  bug
• 28:54
  when
• 28:55
  it
• 28:55
  comes
• 28:55
  to
• 28:55
  foam,
• 28:56
  the
• 28:57
  stream
• 28:58
  bank
• 28:58
  hopper
• 28:59
  is
• 28:59
  the
• 28:59
  western
• 29:00
  grasshopper.
• 29:01
  That's
• 29:01
  one
• 29:01
  of
• 29:01
  my
• 29:01
  favorite
• 29:02
  grasshopper
• 29:03
  patterns
• 29:03
  for
• 29:03
  the
• 29:04
  summer.
• 29:05
  And
• 29:05
  then
• 29:05
  my
• 29:05
  new
• 29:06
  articulated
• 29:07
  damselfly,
• 29:08
  that's,
• 29:09
  that's
• 29:09
  definitely
• 29:09
  one
• 29:10
  of
• 29:10
  my
• 29:10
  more
• 29:10
  favorite
• 29:10
  ones.
• 29:12
  But
• 29:12
  I'll
• 29:12
  be
• 29:12
  honest
• 29:12
  with
• 29:13
  you,
• 29:13
  I,
• 29:13
  that
• 29:13
  those
• 29:14
  are
• 29:14
  the
• 29:14
  like
• 29:14
  the
• 29:14
  main
• 29:15
  four
• 29:15
  that
• 29:15
  I
• 29:15
  fish.
• 29:16
  I
• 29:16
  don't
• 29:16
  go
• 29:16
  super
• 29:16
  deep
• 29:18
  in
• 29:18
  different
• 29:18
  patterns
• 29:19
  when
• 29:19
  it
• 29:19
  comes
• 29:19
  to
• 29:20
  like
• 29:20
  top
• 29:20
  water
• 29:20
  because
• 29:21
  I
• 29:21
  know
• 29:21
  that
• 29:22
  if
• 29:22
  they
• 29:22
  don't
• 29:22
  eat
• 29:23
  one
• 29:23
  of
• 29:23
  those
• 29:23
  four,
• 29:25
  there's
• 29:25
  not
• 29:25
  a
• 29:25
  lot
• 29:26
  of
• 29:26
  other
• 29:26
  stuff
• 29:26
  you
• 29:26
  can
• 29:27
  throw
• 29:27
  that
• 29:27
  you're
• 29:27
  going
• 29:27
  to
• 29:27
  get
• 29:27
  those
• 29:28
  fish
• 29:28
  to
• 29:28
  eat.
• 29:28
  They're
• 29:29
  either
• 29:29
  just
• 29:29
  not
• 29:29
  eating
• 29:29
  or
• 29:30
  you're
• 29:30
  not
• 29:30
  presenting
• 29:30
  it
• 29:31
  properly.
• 29:31
  So,
• 29:32
  you
• 29:32
  know,
• 29:32
  there's
• 29:33
  plenty
• 29:33
  of
• 29:33
  different
• 29:33
  grasshopper
• 29:34
  patterns
• 29:35
  out
• 29:35
  there
• 29:35
  and
• 29:35
  things
• 29:35
  like
• 29:35
  that.
• 29:36
  But,
• 29:36
  you
• 29:36
  know,
• 29:36
  those
• 29:37
  are
• 29:37
  my
• 29:37
  top
• 29:37
  four,
• 29:38
  so.
• 29:39
  Got
• 29:39
  it.
• 29:40
  So
• 29:40
  you're
• 29:40
  probably,
• 29:40
  you
• 29:41
  know,
• 29:41
  using
• 29:41
  your
• 29:41
  seven
• 29:42
  weight.
• 29:42
  Scott,
• 29:43
  have
• 29:43
  you
• 29:43
  changed
• 29:44
  your
• 29:44
  fly
• 29:44
  line
• 29:45
  and
• 29:45
  your
• 29:45
  leader
• 29:45
  approach
• 29:46
  drastically
• 29:46
  for
• 29:47
  those
• 29:47
  bugs?
• 29:48
  That
• 29:49
  is
• 29:49
  a
• 29:49
  great
• 29:49
  question
• 29:50
  and
• 29:50
  yes
• 29:50
  I
• 29:51
  do.
• 29:51
  So
• 29:52
  one
• 29:53
  thing
• 29:53
  you
• 29:53
  can
• 29:53
  do
• 29:54
  now,
• 29:55
  maybe
• 29:56
  a
• 29:56
  guide
• 29:56
  and
• 29:56
  having,
• 29:57
  you
• 29:57
  know,
• 29:57
  the
• 29:58
  ability
• 29:58
  to
• 29:58
  have
• 29:59
  different,
• 29:59
  you
• 29:59
  know,
• 30:00
  reels
• 30:00
  and
• 30:00
  spools
• 30:01
  and
• 30:01
  lines
• 30:01
  is,
• 30:01
  is,
• 30:02
  is
• 30:02
  kind
• 30:02
  of
• 30:02
  nice.
• 30:03
  But
• 30:03
  I
• 30:04
  tell
• 30:04
  a
• 30:04
  lot
• 30:04
  of
• 30:04
  people
• 30:05
  that
• 30:05
  if
• 30:05
  they
• 30:05
  can't,
• 30:06
  if
• 30:06
  they
• 30:06
  can't
• 30:07
  have
• 30:08
  multiple
• 30:08
  fly
• 30:08
  lines
• 30:09
  for
• 30:10
  top
• 30:10
  water
• 30:10
  to
• 30:11
  just
• 30:12
  buy
• 30:13
  bass
• 30:13
  bug
• 30:13
  or
• 30:14
  whatever
• 30:14
  bass
• 30:14
  bug
• 30:14
  line,
• 30:15
  they
• 30:15
  have
• 30:15
  one
• 30:16
  line
• 30:16
  weight
• 30:17
  lighter
• 30:18
  because
• 30:18
  technically
• 30:19
  it's
• 30:19
  still
• 30:19
  a
• 30:20
  line
• 30:20
  weight
• 30:20
  heavy.
• 30:21
  So,
• 30:22
  you
• 30:22
  know,
• 30:22
  for
• 30:22
  instance,
• 30:22
  if
• 30:23
  I
• 30:23
  was
• 30:23
  fishing
• 30:23
  the
• 30:23
  SA
• 30:24
  bass
• 30:24
  bug
• 30:26
  7
• 30:26
  weight
• 30:26
  for
• 30:26
  frogs
• 30:27
  on
• 30:28
  my
• 30:28
  7
• 30:28
  weight,
• 30:29
  in
• 30:29
  the
• 30:29
  summertime
• 30:30
  you
• 30:31
  could
• 30:31
  run
• 30:31
  a
• 30:31
  6
• 30:31
  weight
• 30:32
  bass
• 30:32
  bug
• 30:32
  on
• 30:33
  your
• 30:33
  7
• 30:33
  weight
• 30:34
  and
• 30:34
  that's
• 30:34
  still
• 30:34
  going
• 30:34
  to
• 30:34
  give
• 30:34
  you
• 30:35
  plenty
• 30:35
  of
• 30:35
  power
• 30:35
  to,
• 30:36
  you
• 30:36
  know,
• 30:36
  cast
• 30:37
  that
• 30:37
  fly
• 30:37
  at
• 30:37
  good
• 30:37
  distance.
• 30:38
  But
• 30:38
  it's
• 30:38
  not
• 30:38
  going
• 30:38
  to
• 30:39
  hit
• 30:39
  the
• 30:39
  water
• 30:39
  super
• 30:40
  hard.
• 30:41
  But
• 30:41
  my
• 30:42
  fly
• 30:42
  line
• 30:42
  of
• 30:42
  choice
• 30:43
  is
• 30:43
  the
• 30:43
  new
• 30:45
  SA
• 30:46
  Infinity
• 30:47
  plus,
• 30:48
  which
• 30:48
  is
• 30:48
  basically
• 30:50
  a
• 30:50
  line
• 30:50
  heavy,
• 30:51
  heavier
• 30:52
  40
• 30:53
  foot
• 30:53
  shooting
• 30:53
  head.
• 30:54
  So
• 30:54
  it's
• 30:54
  a
• 30:55
  little
• 30:55
  bit
• 30:55
  longer.
• 30:55
  So
• 30:56
  it's
• 30:56
  not
• 30:56
  great
• 30:56
  for
• 30:57
  short
• 30:57
  casts.
• 30:58
  But
• 30:58
  again,
• 30:58
  typically
• 30:59
  when
• 30:59
  you're
• 30:59
  running
• 31:00
  those
• 31:00
  lighter
• 31:01
  fly
• 31:01
  lines,
• 31:01
  you're
• 31:01
  trying
• 31:02
  to
• 31:02
  cast
• 31:02
  further.
• 31:03
  So
• 31:03
  the
• 31:04
  SA
• 31:04
  Infinity
• 31:04
  plus
• 31:05
  is
• 31:05
  my
• 31:05
  favorite
• 31:06
  summertime
• 31:06
  one.
• 31:07
  Still
• 31:07
  running
• 31:07
  seven
• 31:08
  weights
• 31:08
  occasionally,
• 31:10
  you
• 31:11
  know,
• 31:11
  if
• 31:11
  we're
• 31:11
  running
• 31:11
  super
• 31:12
  small
• 31:12
  stuff,
• 31:12
  I'll
• 31:12
  run
• 31:13
  a
• 31:13
  six
• 31:13
  weight.
• 31:13
  But
• 31:13
  seven
• 31:14
  weights
• 31:14
  seem
• 31:14
  to
• 31:15
  be,
• 31:15
  you
• 31:15
  know,
• 31:16
  pretty
• 31:16
  versatile
• 31:17
  when
• 31:17
  it
• 31:17
  comes
• 31:17
  to
• 31:17
  presenting
• 31:18
  something
• 31:18
  softly
• 31:19
  or
• 31:19
  still
• 31:20
  wanting
• 31:20
  to
• 31:20
  punch
• 31:20
  something
• 31:21
  big
• 31:21
  through
• 31:21
  the
• 31:21
  air.
• 31:22
  So
• 31:23
  it's
• 31:23
  the
• 31:24
  kind
• 31:24
  of
• 31:24
  jack
• 31:25
  of
• 31:25
  all
• 31:25
  trades,
• 31:25
  if
• 31:25
  you
• 31:26
  will,
• 31:26
  fly
• 31:27
  rods.
• 31:28
  Got
• 31:28
  it.
• 31:28
  So
• 31:28
  we
• 31:29
  now
• 31:29
  know
• 31:29
  that
• 31:29
  you
• 31:29
  yell
• 31:30
  at
• 31:30
  people
• 31:30
  that
• 31:30
  Pop
• 31:31
  poppers,
• 31:32
  right?
• 31:32
  I
• 31:32
  do,
• 31:33
  absolutely.
• 31:34
  And
• 31:34
  you
• 31:34
  take
• 31:34
  them
• 31:34
  away.
• 31:35
  But
• 31:36
  you've
• 31:36
  got
• 31:36
  a
• 31:36
  lot
• 31:36
  of
• 31:37
  different
• 31:37
  kind
• 31:37
  of
• 31:37
  dry
• 31:38
  flies,
• 31:38
  right?
• 31:38
  For
• 31:39
  lack
• 31:39
  of
• 31:39
  a
• 31:39
  better
• 31:39
  word,
• 31:40
  it
• 31:41
  seems
• 31:41
  like
• 31:41
  maybe
• 31:41
  some
• 31:41
  of
• 31:41
  them
• 31:42
  you
• 31:42
  animate
• 31:42
  and
• 31:42
  some
• 31:43
  of
• 31:43
  you
• 31:43
  don't
• 31:43
  you
• 31:43
  want
• 31:44
  to
• 31:44
  kind
• 31:44
  of
• 31:44
  walk
• 31:44
  through
• 31:44
  that
• 31:44
  for
• 31:45
  folks.
• 31:47
  I
• 31:47
  am
• 31:47
  a
• 31:47
  very
• 31:48
  strong
• 31:48
  proponent
• 31:49
  of
• 31:49
  the
• 31:49
  dead
• 31:49
  drifts.
• 31:50
  So
• 31:51
  I,
• 31:52
  I,
• 31:53
  what
• 31:53
  I
• 31:53
  typically
• 31:54
  do
• 31:54
  when
• 31:54
  I
• 31:54
  get
• 31:54
  into
• 31:54
  those
• 31:55
  smaller
• 31:55
  quote
• 31:55
  unquote
• 31:56
  drive
• 31:56
  lines
• 31:57
  is
• 31:57
  instead
• 31:57
  of
• 31:57
  popping
• 31:58
  it
• 31:58
  or
• 31:58
  stripping
• 31:59
  it,
• 31:59
  what
• 31:59
  I
• 31:59
  basically
• 32:00
  do
• 32:00
  is
• 32:00
  tell
• 32:00
  the
• 32:00
  client
• 32:01
  to
• 32:01
  lift
• 32:01
  their,
• 32:02
  lift
• 32:02
  their
• 32:02
  rod
• 32:03
  about
• 32:04
  six
• 32:04
  inches
• 32:05
  and
• 32:05
  that'll
• 32:05
  pull
• 32:05
  the
• 32:06
  fly
• 32:07
  or
• 32:07
  it'll
• 32:08
  just
• 32:08
  barely
• 32:08
  move
• 32:09
  it,
• 32:09
  depending
• 32:09
  on
• 32:09
  how
• 32:09
  far
• 32:10
  it
• 32:10
  is
• 32:10
  away.
• 32:10
  Just
• 32:10
  creating
• 32:11
  a
• 32:11
  little
• 32:11
  bit
• 32:11
  of
• 32:11
  a
• 32:11
  ripple
• 32:12
  around
• 32:12
  that,
• 32:12
  around
• 32:13
  that
• 32:13
  bug.
• 32:14
  Otherwise
• 32:15
  I'm
• 32:15
  leaving
• 32:16
  pretty
• 32:16
  flat.
• 32:17
  One
• 32:18
  thing
• 32:18
  I
• 32:18
  will
• 32:18
  say
• 32:19
  is
• 32:19
  that
• 32:20
  I'm
• 32:21
  convinced
• 32:21
  that
• 32:22
  there
• 32:22
  is
• 32:22
  what
• 32:22
  I,
• 32:22
  I've
• 32:23
  now
• 32:23
  dubbed
• 32:23
  the
• 32:24
  zone
• 32:24
  of
• 32:24
  interest
• 32:25
  around
• 32:25
  a
• 32:25
  small
• 32:26
  mouth.
• 32:26
  And
• 32:26
  it's
• 32:26
  about
• 32:26
  an
• 32:27
  eight
• 32:27
  foot
• 32:27
  circle
• 32:28
  from
• 32:28
  its
• 32:28
  gill
• 32:28
  plates
• 32:29
  to
• 32:29
  the
• 32:29
  front
• 32:29
  of
• 32:30
  its
• 32:30
  nose.
• 32:31
  And
• 32:31
  when
• 32:31
  you're
• 32:32
  dry
• 32:32
  fly
• 32:32
  fishing,
• 32:33
  casting
• 32:34
  that
• 32:34
  fly,
• 32:35
  whatever
• 32:36
  it
• 32:36
  is
• 32:37
  within
• 32:37
  that
• 32:37
  eight
• 32:38
  foot
• 32:38
  range
• 32:38
  is
• 32:39
  almost
• 32:39
  always
• 32:40
  going
• 32:40
  to
• 32:40
  get
• 32:40
  their
• 32:40
  attention.
• 32:42
  So
• 32:42
  I,
• 32:43
  I
• 32:43
  tell
• 32:43
  people,
• 32:43
  and
• 32:43
  you
• 32:44
  can
• 32:44
  tell
• 32:44
  exactly
• 32:45
  who's
• 32:45
  a
• 32:46
  traditional
• 32:46
  dry
• 32:46
  fly
• 32:47
  trout
• 32:47
  fisherman
• 32:47
  versus
• 32:48
  a
• 32:48
  bass
• 32:48
  angler.
• 32:49
  Because
• 32:49
  the
• 32:49
  trout
• 32:49
  fisherman
• 32:50
  is
• 32:50
  going
• 32:51
  to
• 32:51
  cast
• 32:51
  their
• 32:52
  wiggly
• 32:52
  or
• 32:52
  their
• 32:53
  grasshopper
• 32:53
  30
• 32:54
  or
• 32:54
  40ft
• 32:54
  in
• 32:55
  front
• 32:55
  of
• 32:55
  that,
• 32:55
  that
• 32:56
  bass
• 32:56
  that's
• 32:57
  sitting
• 32:57
  just
• 32:57
  under
• 32:58
  the
• 32:58
  surface.
• 32:58
  They're
• 32:59
  going
• 32:59
  to
• 32:59
  mend
• 32:59
  it,
• 32:59
  mend
• 33:00
  it,
• 33:00
  mend
• 33:00
  it.
• 33:00
  Get
• 33:00
  this
• 33:01
  beautifully,
• 33:02
  you
• 33:02
  know,
• 33:02
  beautiful
• 33:03
  drag
• 33:03
  free
• 33:03
  drift
• 33:04
  down
• 33:04
  to
• 33:04
  that
• 33:04
  fly
• 33:05
  or
• 33:05
  down
• 33:05
  to
• 33:05
  that
• 33:06
  fish.
• 33:06
  And
• 33:07
  the
• 33:07
  fish
• 33:07
  is
• 33:08
  either
• 33:08
  going
• 33:08
  to
• 33:08
  completely
• 33:08
  ignore
• 33:09
  it
• 33:09
  or,
• 33:10
  or
• 33:10
  you're
• 33:11
  gonna,
• 33:11
  as
• 33:11
  the
• 33:11
  angler,
• 33:11
  when
• 33:12
  it
• 33:12
  gets
• 33:12
  close,
• 33:12
  try
• 33:12
  to
• 33:13
  pop
• 33:13
  it
• 33:13
  and
• 33:14
  you're
• 33:14
  gonna
• 33:14
  spook
• 33:14
  that
• 33:14
  fish.
• 33:15
  So
• 33:15
  I
• 33:15
  sell
• 33:16
  everybody,
• 33:16
  it's
• 33:16
  a
• 33:16
  hundred
• 33:17
  percent
• 33:17
  chance
• 33:17
  that
• 33:17
  fish
• 33:18
  is
• 33:18
  going
• 33:18
  to
• 33:18
  ignore
• 33:18
  your
• 33:19
  fly
• 33:19
  or
• 33:19
  get
• 33:19
  spooked
• 33:20
  if
• 33:20
  you
• 33:20
  try
• 33:20
  to,
• 33:21
  you
• 33:21
  know,
• 33:21
  lead
• 33:21
  that
• 33:21
  fish
• 33:22
  super
• 33:22
  far.
• 33:23
  But
• 33:23
  if
• 33:23
  you
• 33:23
  can
• 33:23
  drop
• 33:24
  that
• 33:24
  fish
• 33:25
  or
• 33:25
  drop
• 33:25
  that
• 33:26
  fly
• 33:26
  within
• 33:27
  an
• 33:27
  eight
• 33:27
  foot
• 33:28
  circle
• 33:28
  of
• 33:28
  the
• 33:28
  front
• 33:29
  of
• 33:29
  that
• 33:29
  fish,
• 33:29
  you're
• 33:30
  going
• 33:30
  to
• 33:30
  almost
• 33:30
  always
• 33:31
  get
• 33:31
  their
• 33:31
  attention.
• 33:32
  Whether
• 33:32
  or
• 33:32
  not
• 33:32
  they
• 33:32
  eat
• 33:33
  it
• 33:33
  or
• 33:33
  not.
• 33:33
  That's
• 33:34
  kind
• 33:34
  of
• 33:34
  up
• 33:34
  to
• 33:34
  you
• 33:35
  and
• 33:35
  the
• 33:35
  fish
• 33:35
  at
• 33:35
  that
• 33:35
  point.
• 33:36
  But
• 33:36
  you
• 33:36
  know,
• 33:37
  that
• 33:37
  like
• 33:37
  I
• 33:37
  said
• 33:37
  before,
• 33:38
  that
• 33:38
  plop
• 33:39
  is
• 33:39
  what
• 33:39
  gets
• 33:39
  their
• 33:40
  attention.
• 33:40
  That's
• 33:40
  the
• 33:41
  most
• 33:41
  natural
• 33:41
  sound
• 33:42
  of
• 33:42
  your
• 33:42
  presentation.
• 33:43
  Now
• 33:44
  once
• 33:45
  that
• 33:45
  fish
• 33:45
  comes
• 33:45
  up
• 33:46
  and
• 33:46
  starts
• 33:46
  looking
• 33:46
  at
• 33:46
  your
• 33:47
  fly,
• 33:48
  then
• 33:48
  you
• 33:48
  have
• 33:48
  to
• 33:48
  decide
• 33:49
  if
• 33:49
  that
• 33:49
  fish
• 33:49
  is
• 33:50
  interested
• 33:50
  in
• 33:50
  that
• 33:51
  bug.
• 33:51
  You
• 33:51
  know,
• 33:51
  is
• 33:51
  it
• 33:52
  looking
• 33:52
  at
• 33:52
  it?
• 33:52
  Because
• 33:53
  it's
• 33:54
  going
• 33:54
  to
• 33:54
  Eat
• 33:54
  it
• 33:54
  or
• 33:54
  is
• 33:54
  it
• 33:55
  looking
• 33:55
  at
• 33:55
  it
• 33:55
  because
• 33:55
  it
• 33:55
  wants
• 33:56
  to
• 33:56
  know
• 33:56
  if
• 33:56
  it's
• 33:56
  alive
• 33:56
  before
• 33:57
  it
• 33:57
  eats
• 33:57
  it?
• 33:57
  So
• 33:58
  that's
• 33:59
  when
• 33:59
  a
• 33:59
  little
• 34:00
  tiny
• 34:00
  twitch
• 34:00
  comes
• 34:01
  in
• 34:01
  where
• 34:01
  I'm
• 34:01
  just
• 34:01
  like,
• 34:02
  you
• 34:02
  know,
• 34:02
  lift
• 34:02
  your
• 34:02
  thumb
• 34:03
  an
• 34:03
  inch
• 34:03
  so
• 34:03
  that
• 34:04
  fly
• 34:05
  barely
• 34:05
  moves.
• 34:05
  And
• 34:05
  a
• 34:05
  lot
• 34:06
  of
• 34:06
  times
• 34:06
  that
• 34:06
  fish,
• 34:06
  immediately
• 34:07
  as
• 34:07
  that
• 34:07
  fly
• 34:07
  goes
• 34:08
  to
• 34:08
  move,
• 34:08
  will
• 34:08
  jump
• 34:08
  on
• 34:09
  and
• 34:09
  eat
• 34:09
  it.
• 34:10
  Or
• 34:10
  there
• 34:11
  are
• 34:11
  plenty
• 34:11
  of
• 34:11
  times
• 34:11
  where
• 34:12
  that
• 34:12
  movement
• 34:12
  spooks
• 34:13
  the
• 34:13
  fish.
• 34:13
  But
• 34:14
  if
• 34:14
  you
• 34:14
  put
• 34:15
  it
• 34:15
  in
• 34:15
  an
• 34:15
  eight
• 34:15
  foot
• 34:16
  circle
• 34:16
  in
• 34:16
  front
• 34:16
  of
• 34:16
  that
• 34:17
  fish,
• 34:17
  I
• 34:17
  guarantee
• 34:18
  you're
• 34:18
  going
• 34:19
  to
• 34:19
  get
• 34:19
  that
• 34:19
  vision's
• 34:19
  attention.
• 34:20
  So.
• 34:21
  Got
• 34:21
  it.
• 34:22
  And
• 34:22
  I
• 34:22
  would
• 34:22
  imagine
• 34:22
  you
• 34:22
  want
• 34:23
  to
• 34:23
  put
• 34:23
  it
• 34:23
  on
• 34:23
  kind
• 34:23
  of
• 34:24
  your
• 34:24
  side
• 34:24
  of
• 34:24
  the
• 34:24
  eight
• 34:25
  foot
• 34:25
  circle
• 34:25
  so
• 34:25
  you
• 34:25
  don't
• 34:26
  risk
• 34:26
  lining
• 34:26
  the
• 34:26
  fish
• 34:27
  or
• 34:27
  them
• 34:27
  seeing
• 34:27
  the
• 34:27
  line.
• 34:28
  Right?
• 34:29
  Yep,
• 34:29
  that
• 34:29
  is,
• 34:30
  that
• 34:30
  is
• 34:30
  true.
• 34:31
  You
• 34:31
  know,
• 34:32
  if
• 34:32
  you're
• 34:32
  on
• 34:32
  the
• 34:32
  far
• 34:33
  side
• 34:33
  of
• 34:33
  them
• 34:33
  by
• 34:34
  a
• 34:34
  foot
• 34:34
  or
• 34:34
  two,
• 34:34
  that's
• 34:35
  probably
• 34:35
  not
• 34:36
  that
• 34:36
  big
• 34:36
  of
• 34:37
  a
• 34:37
  deal
• 34:37
  just
• 34:37
  because,
• 34:38
  you
• 34:38
  know,
• 34:38
  the
• 34:39
  leader
• 34:39
  is
• 34:40
  not
• 34:40
  going
• 34:40
  to
• 34:40
  create
• 34:40
  that
• 34:40
  much
• 34:41
  disturbance.
• 34:41
  But,
• 34:42
  you
• 34:42
  know,
• 34:42
  I
• 34:42
  can't
• 34:42
  tell
• 34:42
  how
• 34:43
  many
• 34:43
  times
• 34:43
  I,
• 34:43
  I
• 34:44
  ask
• 34:44
  a
• 34:44
  client,
• 34:44
  like,
• 34:44
  you
• 34:45
  see
• 34:45
  that
• 34:45
  push
• 34:45
  over
• 34:45
  there
• 34:46
  35ft
• 34:46
  and
• 34:47
  I
• 34:47
  like,
• 34:47
  yep,
• 34:47
  I'm
• 34:48
  like,
• 34:48
  all
• 34:48
  right,
• 34:48
  put
• 34:48
  that
• 34:49
  fly
• 34:50
  right
• 34:50
  in
• 34:50
  front
• 34:51
  of
• 34:51
  that
• 34:51
  fish
• 34:52
  and
• 34:52
  the,
• 34:52
  the
• 34:53
  fly
• 34:53
  line
• 34:53
  hits
• 34:53
  it
• 34:54
  in
• 34:54
  head,
• 34:54
  you
• 34:54
  know,
• 34:54
  and
• 34:54
  so
• 34:55
  there
• 34:55
  is
• 34:55
  plenty
• 34:55
  of
• 34:55
  times
• 34:56
  where
• 34:56
  you
• 34:56
  know
• 34:57
  that
• 34:58
  the
• 34:58
  cast
• 34:59
  isn't
• 34:59
  made
• 34:59
  properly.
• 35:00
  But
• 35:00
  as
• 35:00
  long
• 35:00
  as
• 35:00
  you
• 35:01
  get
• 35:01
  that
• 35:01
  fly
• 35:01
  quietly
• 35:02
  in
• 35:02
  front
• 35:02
  of
• 35:02
  that
• 35:03
  fish,
• 35:03
  they
• 35:04
  will
• 35:04
  come
• 35:04
  up
• 35:04
  and
• 35:04
  look
• 35:05
  at
• 35:05
  it.
• 35:06
  Got
• 35:06
  it.
• 35:07
  And
• 35:07
  so,
• 35:07
  you
• 35:07
  know,
• 35:07
  you're,
• 35:08
  you
• 35:08
  know,
• 35:08
  we
• 35:08
  were
• 35:08
  talking
• 35:09
  before
• 35:09
  we
• 35:09
  started
• 35:09
  recording,
• 35:09
  you're
• 35:10
  kind
• 35:10
  of,
• 35:10
  you
• 35:10
  know,
• 35:10
  headquartered
• 35:11
  south
• 35:11
  of
• 35:11
  Harrisburg.
• 35:12
  And
• 35:12
  you
• 35:13
  know,
• 35:13
  so,
• 35:13
  you
• 35:14
  know,
• 35:14
  kind
• 35:14
  of
• 35:14
  what
• 35:14
  you're
• 35:14
  talking
• 35:14
  about
• 35:15
  maybe
• 35:15
  not
• 35:15
  all
• 35:16
  of
• 35:16
  the
• 35:16
  kind
• 35:16
  of,
• 35:16
  you
• 35:17
  know,
• 35:17
  mayflies
• 35:17
  and
• 35:17
  things
• 35:18
  like
• 35:18
  that,
• 35:18
  but
• 35:18
  you
• 35:18
  know,
• 35:19
  generally,
• 35:20
  you
• 35:20
  know,
• 35:20
  the
• 35:20
  arcs
• 35:21
  of
• 35:21
  the
• 35:21
  smallmouth
• 35:22
  season
• 35:22
  are
• 35:22
  similar.
• 35:23
  They
• 35:23
  just
• 35:23
  kind
• 35:23
  of
• 35:23
  start
• 35:23
  and
• 35:24
  end
• 35:24
  at
• 35:24
  different
• 35:24
  times
• 35:24
  across
• 35:25
  the
• 35:25
  country.
• 35:25
  So,
• 35:26
  you
• 35:26
  know,
• 35:26
  if
• 35:26
  someone
• 35:27
  is
• 35:27
  listening
• 35:27
  to
• 35:27
  this
• 35:27
  and
• 35:28
  they're
• 35:28
  not
• 35:28
  in
• 35:28
  the
• 35:28
  PA
• 35:28
  area
• 35:29
  or
• 35:29
  they're
• 35:29
  down
• 35:29
  near
• 35:29
  me,
• 35:30
  or
• 35:30
  they're
• 35:30
  in
• 35:30
  the
• 35:30
  Midwest
• 35:31
  or,
• 35:31
  you
• 35:32
  know,
• 35:32
  maybe
• 35:32
  even
• 35:32
  down
• 35:32
  like
• 35:33
  in
• 35:33
  Tennessee.
• 35:33
  You
• 35:34
  know,
• 35:34
  what
• 35:34
  are
• 35:34
  your
• 35:35
  tips
• 35:35
  for,
• 35:36
  you
• 35:36
  know,
• 35:36
  helping
• 35:37
  them
• 35:37
  figure
• 35:37
  out
• 35:37
  kind
• 35:38
  of
• 35:38
  where
• 35:38
  they
• 35:38
  are
• 35:39
  kind
• 35:39
  of
• 35:39
  in
• 35:39
  the
• 35:39
  smallmouth
• 35:40
  season
• 35:40
  on
• 35:40
  their
• 35:40
  home
• 35:40
  waters.
• 35:43
  Best
• 35:43
  thing
• 35:44
  to
• 35:44
  do
• 35:44
  is,
• 35:44
  is,
• 35:45
  you
• 35:45
  know,
• 35:45
  always
• 35:45
  be
• 35:46
  checking
• 35:46
  water
• 35:46
  temperatures.
• 35:47
  You
• 35:48
  know,
• 35:48
  I
• 35:48
  feel
• 35:48
  like
• 35:48
  the
• 35:49
  majority
• 35:49
  of
• 35:49
  smallmouth
• 35:50
  seasons
• 35:50
  directly
• 35:51
  correlate
• 35:51
  with
• 35:52
  water
• 35:52
  temperatures.
• 35:53
  So,
• 35:53
  you
• 35:53
  know,
• 35:54
  whether
• 35:54
  or
• 35:54
  not
• 35:55
  you're
• 35:55
  in
• 35:55
  the
• 35:55
  Midwest,
• 35:56
  you
• 35:56
  know,
• 35:56
  they
• 35:57
  might,
• 35:57
  their
• 35:57
  spring
• 35:58
  might
• 35:58
  start
• 35:58
  a
• 35:58
  little
• 35:59
  bit
• 35:59
  later
• 35:59
  than
• 35:59
  us.
• 36:00
  You
• 36:00
  know,
• 36:01
  down
• 36:01
  in
• 36:01
  Tennessee,
• 36:02
  Virginia,
• 36:03
  you
• 36:03
  know,
• 36:03
  North
• 36:03
  Carolina,
• 36:04
  they
• 36:04
  might
• 36:04
  start
• 36:04
  a
• 36:04
  little
• 36:05
  earlier
• 36:05
  than
• 36:05
  us,
• 36:05
  just
• 36:05
  depending
• 36:06
  on
• 36:06
  what
• 36:06
  water
• 36:06
  temps
• 36:07
  are.
• 36:07
  So,
• 36:07
  you
• 36:08
  know,
• 36:08
  always
• 36:08
  pay
• 36:08
  attention
• 36:09
  to
• 36:09
  everything
• 36:09
  that
• 36:09
  you
• 36:09
  can,
• 36:10
  that
• 36:10
  you
• 36:10
  can
• 36:10
  look
• 36:11
  at.
• 36:11
  I
• 36:11
  mean,
• 36:11
  we
• 36:11
  have
• 36:11
  these
• 36:12
  super,
• 36:13
  you
• 36:13
  know,
• 36:14
  ridiculously
• 36:15
  smart
• 36:16
  computers
• 36:16
  in
• 36:16
  our
• 36:17
  hands
• 36:17
  at
• 36:17
  all
• 36:17
  times.
• 36:17
  So
• 36:18
  you
• 36:18
  can
• 36:18
  see,
• 36:19
  you
• 36:19
  know,
• 36:19
  what
• 36:19
  the
• 36:19
  weather's
• 36:20
  doing,
• 36:20
  what
• 36:20
  the
• 36:20
  flows
• 36:21
  are
• 36:21
  doing.
• 36:21
  And
• 36:22
  so
• 36:22
  I
• 36:22
  always
• 36:23
  just
• 36:23
  say
• 36:23
  water
• 36:23
  temperature.
• 36:24
  That's
• 36:24
  the
• 36:24
  short
• 36:24
  answer
• 36:25
  of
• 36:25
  it.
• 36:26
  And
• 36:26
  then
• 36:26
  just
• 36:26
  observe
• 36:27
  what
• 36:27
  else
• 36:27
  is
• 36:27
  going
• 36:28
  around.
• 36:28
  You
• 36:28
  know,
• 36:28
  start
• 36:28
  looking
• 36:29
  to
• 36:29
  see
• 36:29
  if
• 36:29
  you
• 36:29
  see
• 36:30
  bugs.
• 36:30
  Do
• 36:30
  you
• 36:30
  hear
• 36:31
  cicadas,
• 36:32
  you
• 36:32
  hear
• 36:32
  crickets
• 36:32
  and
• 36:33
  grasshoppers.
• 36:33
  You
• 36:34
  know,
• 36:34
  when
• 36:34
  you're
• 36:34
  walking
• 36:34
  through
• 36:34
  the
• 36:35
  grass
• 36:35
  to
• 36:35
  get
• 36:35
  the
• 36:35
  boat
• 36:36
  ramp,
• 36:36
  are
• 36:36
  there,
• 36:37
  you
• 36:37
  know,
• 36:37
  are
• 36:37
  there
• 36:37
  bugs
• 36:38
  jumping
• 36:38
  up
• 36:38
  just
• 36:38
  like,
• 36:39
  you
• 36:39
  know,
• 36:39
  out
• 36:39
  west
• 36:39
  when
• 36:40
  you're
• 36:40
  walking
• 36:40
  to
• 36:40
  a
• 36:40
  spring
• 36:40
  creek,
• 36:41
  are
• 36:41
  they
• 36:41
  kicking
• 36:41
  grasshoppers
• 36:42
  up
• 36:42
  like
• 36:42
  crazy?
• 36:43
  So
• 36:43
  just
• 36:44
  observe
• 36:44
  with
• 36:44
  what's
• 36:45
  going
• 36:45
  on
• 36:45
  around
• 36:45
  you
• 36:45
  and
• 36:46
  check
• 36:46
  water
• 36:46
  temps.
• 36:47
  Those
• 36:47
  are
• 36:47
  the
• 36:47
  two
• 36:47
  most
• 36:47
  important
• 36:48
  things.
• 36:49
  Yeah,
• 36:49
  and
• 36:49
  I
• 36:49
  guess,
• 36:49
  you
• 36:49
  know,
• 36:50
  not
• 36:50
  all
• 36:50
  USGS
• 36:51
  gauges
• 36:52
  have
• 36:52
  temperature,
• 36:52
  but
• 36:52
  a
• 36:53
  lot
• 36:53
  of
• 36:53
  them
• 36:53
  do.
• 36:54
  I
• 36:55
  do
• 36:55
  know
• 36:55
  that
• 36:55
  like
• 36:56
  TroutRoutes
• 36:56
  has
• 36:56
  a
• 36:56
  lot
• 36:56
  of
• 36:57
  the
• 36:57
  US
• 36:57
  I
• 36:57
  think
• 36:57
  though,
• 36:58
  actually
• 36:58
  they
• 36:58
  probably
• 36:58
  have
• 36:58
  all
• 36:59
  the
• 36:59
  USGS
• 36:59
  gauges
• 36:59
  and
• 37:00
  you
• 37:00
  can
• 37:00
  get
• 37:00
  temperature
• 37:00
  information
• 37:01
  there.
• 37:02
  Yep,
• 37:02
  you
• 37:03
  can
• 37:03
  do
• 37:03
  that.
• 37:03
  I
• 37:04
  always
• 37:04
  carry
• 37:04
  a
• 37:05
  thermometer
• 37:05
  with
• 37:05
  me.
• 37:06
  I've
• 37:06
  got
• 37:06
  one
• 37:07
  in
• 37:07
  the
• 37:07
  center
• 37:07
  console,
• 37:08
  my
• 37:08
  truck.
• 37:08
  So,
• 37:09
  you
• 37:09
  know,
• 37:09
  if
• 37:09
  I'm
• 37:10
  going
• 37:10
  out,
• 37:10
  see
• 37:11
  what's
• 37:11
  going
• 37:11
  on
• 37:11
  or,
• 37:11
  you
• 37:12
  know,
• 37:12
  if
• 37:12
  I'm
• 37:12
  getting
• 37:12
  ready
• 37:12
  to
• 37:12
  go
• 37:13
  fishing,
• 37:13
  the
• 37:13
  first
• 37:13
  thing
• 37:13
  I
• 37:14
  do
• 37:14
  is
• 37:14
  throw
• 37:14
  that
• 37:14
  thing
• 37:14
  in
• 37:15
  the
• 37:15
  water,
• 37:15
  you
• 37:15
  know,
• 37:15
  try
• 37:16
  to,
• 37:16
  I
• 37:16
  try
• 37:17
  to
• 37:17
  drop
• 37:17
  it
• 37:17
  to
• 37:17
  the
• 37:17
  bottom
• 37:18
  and
• 37:18
  check
• 37:18
  the
• 37:18
  bottom
• 37:19
  temperature.
• 37:19
  And
• 37:20
  sometimes,
• 37:21
  you
• 37:21
  know,
• 37:21
  for
• 37:21
  instance,
• 37:22
  like
• 37:22
  a
• 37:22
  lot
• 37:23
  of
• 37:23
  our
• 37:23
  boat
• 37:23
  ramps,
• 37:23
  there's,
• 37:24
  we
• 37:25
  have
• 37:25
  a
• 37:25
  lot
• 37:25
  of
• 37:25
  jet
• 37:26
  boats
• 37:26
  on
• 37:26
  our
• 37:26
  big
• 37:26
  rivers
• 37:27
  and
• 37:28
  so
• 37:28
  the,
• 37:28
  they
• 37:28
  blow
• 37:29
  out
• 37:29
  an
• 37:29
  eight
• 37:29
  foot
• 37:30
  deep
• 37:30
  hole
• 37:31
  right
• 37:31
  below
• 37:32
  the
• 37:32
  boat
• 37:32
  ramp.
• 37:33
  So
• 37:33
  you
• 37:33
  can
• 37:33
  throw,
• 37:34
  throw
• 37:34
  your
• 37:34
  thermometer
• 37:35
  in
• 37:35
  there
• 37:35
  attached
• 37:35
  to
• 37:36
  hopefully
• 37:36
  some
• 37:37
  string
• 37:38
  and
• 37:38
  see
• 37:38
  what
• 37:38
  it
• 37:38
  is
• 37:38
  at
• 37:39
  8ft.
• 37:39
  And
• 37:39
  then
• 37:39
  you
• 37:39
  can
• 37:40
  throw
• 37:40
  it
• 37:40
  over,
• 37:40
  you
• 37:40
  know,
• 37:41
  foot,
• 37:42
  you
• 37:42
  know,
• 37:42
  over
• 37:43
  to
• 37:43
  the
• 37:43
  bank
• 37:43
  where
• 37:43
  it's
• 37:44
  a
• 37:44
  foot
• 37:44
  deep
• 37:44
  and
• 37:44
  see
• 37:44
  the
• 37:45
  difference
• 37:45
  in
• 37:45
  water
• 37:45
  temperature.
• 37:46
  But
• 37:47
  you
• 37:47
  know,
• 37:47
  so
• 37:47
  I
• 37:47
  think
• 37:48
  thermometers
• 37:48
  are
• 37:48
  a
• 37:49
  great
• 37:49
  thing
• 37:49
  to
• 37:49
  have.
• 37:50
  You
• 37:50
  know,
• 37:51
  I
• 37:51
  probably
• 37:51
  own
• 37:51
  like
• 37:51
  12
• 37:52
  of
• 37:52
  them
• 37:52
  because
• 37:52
  I
• 37:52
  always
• 37:53
  forget
• 37:53
  them.
• 37:53
  So
• 37:53
  I
• 37:54
  now
• 37:54
  have
• 37:54
  one
• 37:54
  in
• 37:54
  every
• 37:55
  single
• 37:55
  pack,
• 37:55
  bag,
• 37:56
  box,
• 37:57
  you
• 37:57
  know,
• 37:57
  crevice
• 37:58
  and
• 37:58
  crack
• 37:58
  that
• 37:59
  I
• 37:59
  can
• 37:59
  put
• 37:59
  them
• 37:59
  in.
• 37:59
  So
• 38:00
  I
• 38:00
  never
• 38:00
  don't
• 38:01
  have
• 38:01
  one.
• 38:01
  Yeah,
• 38:02
  it's
• 38:02
  interesting.
• 38:02
  So
• 38:03
  you
• 38:03
  don't
• 38:03
  do
• 38:03
  an
• 38:03
  infrared
• 38:04
  one.
• 38:04
  I
• 38:04
  know
• 38:04
  I've
• 38:04
  got
• 38:04
  one
• 38:04
  of
• 38:05
  the
• 38:05
  old
• 38:05
  fish
• 38:05
  pond
• 38:06
  ones.
• 38:06
  It's
• 38:06
  in
• 38:06
  like
• 38:06
  an
• 38:06
  aluminum
• 38:07
  case.
• 38:08
  Yeah,
• 38:09
  yeah,
• 38:10
  I've
• 38:10
  thought.
• 38:10
  I
• 38:11
  honestly,
• 38:11
  I've
• 38:11
  just
• 38:11
  never
• 38:12
  had
• 38:12
  one.
• 38:13
  I've
• 38:13
  always
• 38:13
  just
• 38:14
  bought
• 38:14
  the
• 38:15
  either
• 38:15
  Umpqua
• 38:16
  or
• 38:16
  Science
• 38:17
  of
• 38:17
  a
• 38:17
  Gangler
• 38:18
  or
• 38:18
  Orvis
• 38:19
  ones,
• 38:19
  the
• 38:19
  metal
• 38:19
  ones.
• 38:20
  And
• 38:20
  they
• 38:20
  tend
• 38:21
  to
• 38:21
  be
• 38:22
  pretty
• 38:22
  durable.
• 38:23
  I
• 38:23
  mean,
• 38:23
  I.
• 38:23
  So
• 38:23
  when
• 38:24
  I'm
• 38:24
  floating
• 38:24
  in
• 38:24
  my
• 38:24
  drift
• 38:25
  boat
• 38:25
  or
• 38:25
  my
• 38:25
  raft,
• 38:26
  a
• 38:26
  lot
• 38:26
  of
• 38:26
  times
• 38:26
  I'll
• 38:26
  throw
• 38:27
  it
• 38:27
  overboard.
• 38:27
  Three
• 38:28
  hours
• 38:28
  later
• 38:28
  I'll
• 38:28
  forget
• 38:28
  it
• 38:29
  was
• 38:29
  in
• 38:29
  the
• 38:29
  water
• 38:29
  and
• 38:29
  it's
• 38:30
  still
• 38:30
  completely
• 38:31
  fine
• 38:31
  just
• 38:31
  dragging
• 38:32
  on
• 38:32
  the
• 38:32
  bottom,
• 38:33
  you
• 38:33
  know,
• 38:33
  attached
• 38:34
  to
• 38:34
  a
• 38:34
  six
• 38:35
  foot
• 38:35
  piece
• 38:35
  of,
• 38:36
  you
• 38:36
  know,
• 38:36
  monofilament.
• 38:37
  So
• 38:37
  they're
• 38:38
  pretty
• 38:38
  durable.
• 38:39
  But
• 38:39
  if
• 38:39
  you
• 38:39
  can
• 38:40
  get
• 38:40
  a
• 38:40
  thermal
• 38:41
  one,
• 38:41
  that
• 38:41
  would
• 38:41
  be
• 38:41
  awesome.
• 38:42
  Does
• 38:43
  anybody
• 38:43
  still
• 38:43
  make
• 38:44
  those?
• 38:45
  You
• 38:45
  know,
• 38:46
  I
• 38:46
  don't
• 38:46
  know
• 38:46
  because
• 38:46
  I
• 38:47
  just,
• 38:47
  you
• 38:47
  know,
• 38:47
  I've
• 38:48
  got
• 38:48
  my
• 38:48
  old
• 38:49
  school
• 38:49
  one
• 38:49
  that
• 38:49
  works
• 38:50
  and
• 38:50
  so
• 38:50
  I
• 38:51
  just,
• 38:51
  you
• 38:52
  know,
• 38:52
  I
• 38:52
  don't,
• 38:52
  you
• 38:52
  know,
• 38:52
  I
• 38:53
  don't
• 38:53
  really
• 38:53
  troll
• 38:53
  the
• 38:53
  catalogs
• 38:54
  for
• 38:54
  the
• 38:54
  ones
• 38:54
  that
• 38:55
  look
• 38:55
  like
• 38:55
  a,
• 38:55
  you
• 38:55
  know,
• 38:55
  an
• 38:56
  infrared
• 38:56
  gun
• 38:56
  that
• 38:56
  you
• 38:57
  point
• 38:57
  at
• 38:57
  the
• 38:57
  water.
• 38:59
  Right.
• 39:01
  Um,
• 39:01
  but
• 39:02
  yeah,
• 39:02
  so,
• 39:02
  I
• 39:02
  mean,
• 39:02
  it's,
• 39:03
  it's
• 39:03
  interesting.
• 39:03
  Like.
• 39:03
  So
• 39:03
  for
• 39:04
  me
• 39:04
  with
• 39:04
  trout,
• 39:04
  I
• 39:04
  have
• 39:04
  mine
• 39:05
  on
• 39:05
  a
• 39:05
  carabiner
• 39:05
  that
• 39:05
  I
• 39:06
  actually
• 39:06
  like
• 39:06
  hooked
• 39:06
  to
• 39:07
  my
• 39:07
  laces
• 39:07
  on
• 39:07
  my
• 39:07
  waiting
• 39:08
  boots.
• 39:09
  Ah,
• 39:09
  perfect.
• 39:10
  Yep.
• 39:10
  That's
• 39:10
  a
• 39:10
  great
• 39:11
  idea.
• 39:11
  Yeah.
• 39:12
  So
• 39:12
  you've
• 39:12
  gotten
• 39:12
  rained
• 39:13
  out.
• 39:14
  I
• 39:14
  don't
• 39:15
  want
• 39:15
  to
• 39:15
  like,
• 39:15
  you
• 39:15
  know,
• 39:15
  give
• 39:16
  you
• 39:16
  PTSD
• 39:16
  or
• 39:17
  anything
• 39:17
  like
• 39:17
  that,
• 39:17
  but
• 39:17
  I
• 39:18
  also
• 39:18
  know
• 39:18
  you're
• 39:18
  working
• 39:19
  on
• 39:19
  another
• 39:19
  book,
• 39:19
  so
• 39:19
  maybe
• 39:20
  you
• 39:20
  have
• 39:20
  a
• 39:20
  few
• 39:20
  days
• 39:20
  to
• 39:21
  do
• 39:21
  book
• 39:22
  work.
• 39:22
  You
• 39:22
  want
• 39:22
  to
• 39:23
  share
• 39:23
  details
• 39:24
  with
• 39:24
  our
• 39:24
  listeners
• 39:24
  about
• 39:25
  what
• 39:25
  you're
• 39:25
  working
• 39:25
  on.
• 39:27
  Well,
• 39:27
  honestly,
• 39:28
  I'm
• 39:28
  done,
• 39:29
  so
• 39:30
  that's,
• 39:30
  that's
• 39:30
  good.
• 39:31
  But
• 39:32
  yeah,
• 39:32
  I
• 39:32
  just
• 39:32
  finished,
• 39:33
  finished
• 39:34
  my
• 39:34
  second
• 39:34
  book
• 39:35
  is
• 39:36
  part
• 39:36
  of
• 39:36
  a
• 39:36
  series.
• 39:37
  So
• 39:37
  Stackpole
• 39:38
  started
• 39:39
  the
• 39:39
  series,
• 39:39
  I
• 39:39
  think,
• 39:40
  I
• 39:40
  think
• 39:41
  four
• 39:41
  years
• 39:41
  ago.
• 39:42
  They
• 39:43
  did
• 39:43
  favorite
• 39:44
  flies
• 39:44
  books.
• 39:45
  And
• 39:45
  so
• 39:45
  there's
• 39:45
  favorite
• 39:46
  flies
• 39:46
  from
• 39:46
  Pennsylvania.
• 39:47
  There's
• 39:47
  a
• 39:47
  favorite
• 39:47
  flies
• 39:48
  for
• 39:48
  Colorado.
• 39:49
  And
• 39:49
  so
• 39:49
  it's
• 39:49
  going
• 39:49
  to
• 39:49
  be
• 39:49
  a
• 39:50
  series
• 39:50
  book.
• 39:51
  So
• 39:52
  I
• 39:52
  just
• 39:52
  wrote
• 39:52
  the
• 39:52
  favorite
• 39:53
  flies
• 39:53
  for
• 39:53
  smallmouth
• 39:54
  bass.
• 39:55
  So
• 39:55
  it's
• 39:56
  got
• 39:56
  50
• 39:57
  of
• 39:57
  what
• 39:57
  I
• 39:57
  would
• 39:58
  consider,
• 39:59
  you
• 39:59
  know,
• 39:59
  that
• 40:00
  my.
• 40:00
  Well,
• 40:01
  they're
• 40:01
  my
• 40:01
  favorite,
• 40:02
  but
• 40:02
  I
• 40:02
  would
• 40:02
  consider
• 40:02
  them
• 40:03
  the
• 40:03
  top
• 40:03
  50
• 40:03
  flies
• 40:04
  for
• 40:04
  smallmouth
• 40:05
  and
• 40:05
  you
• 40:05
  know,
• 40:05
  today's
• 40:06
  day
• 40:06
  and
• 40:06
  age.
• 40:07
  So
• 40:07
  they're
• 40:08
  not
• 40:08
  just
• 40:08
  mine.
• 40:09
  I've
• 40:09
  got
• 40:09
  some
• 40:09
  from
• 40:10
  the
• 40:10
  guys
• 40:10
  at
• 40:10
  Schultz
• 40:10
  Outfitters.
• 40:11
  I've
• 40:11
  got
• 40:11
  some
• 40:12
  from
• 40:12
  the
• 40:13
  guys
• 40:13
  at
• 40:13
  Tight
• 40:13
  Lines.
• 40:14
  I've
• 40:14
  got
• 40:14
  some
• 40:14
  from,
• 40:15
  you
• 40:15
  know,
• 40:15
  the
• 40:15
  guys
• 40:16
  down
• 40:16
  in
• 40:16
  Virginia.
• 40:16
  And
• 40:17
  so
• 40:17
  we.
• 40:17
  I've
• 40:18
  got
• 40:18
  a
• 40:18
  wide
• 40:19
  variety
• 40:19
  of,
• 40:19
  of
• 40:20
  flies
• 40:21
  to
• 40:21
  display
• 40:22
  for
• 40:22
  this
• 40:22
  book.
• 40:22
  But
• 40:23
  what's
• 40:24
  really
• 40:24
  neat
• 40:24
  about
• 40:24
  it
• 40:25
  is,
• 40:26
  you
• 40:26
  know,
• 40:26
  you
• 40:26
  write,
• 40:27
  you
• 40:27
  take.
• 40:28
  I
• 40:28
  took
• 40:28
  a
• 40:28
  picture
• 40:29
  of
• 40:29
  each
• 40:29
  fly.
• 40:30
  It's
• 40:30
  not
• 40:30
  a
• 40:31
  tutorial
• 40:31
  book.
• 40:31
  It's
• 40:31
  more
• 40:32
  of
• 40:32
  a.
• 40:32
  Here
• 40:33
  are
• 40:33
  the
• 40:33
  50
• 40:33
  flies,
• 40:34
  and,
• 40:35
  you
• 40:35
  know,
• 40:35
  who
• 40:35
  created
• 40:36
  them,
• 40:36
  why
• 40:37
  they
• 40:37
  created
• 40:37
  them,
• 40:37
  and
• 40:38
  then
• 40:38
  how
• 40:38
  to
• 40:38
  fish
• 40:38
  them.
• 40:39
  And
• 40:39
  so
• 40:40
  there's
• 40:40
  recipes
• 40:41
  for
• 40:41
  all
• 40:41
  of
• 40:41
  them.
• 40:42
  So
• 40:42
  there's,
• 40:42
  I
• 40:42
  think,
• 40:42
  16
• 40:43
  or
• 40:43
  17
• 40:44
  top
• 40:44
  water,
• 40:46
  16
• 40:46
  or
• 40:46
  17
• 40:48
  made
• 40:48
  columns.
• 40:49
  So
• 40:49
  bait
• 40:49
  fish
• 40:49
  or
• 40:49
  swim
• 40:50
  flies,
• 40:50
  and
• 40:50
  then
• 40:51
  the
• 40:51
  same
• 40:51
  for
• 40:51
  the
• 40:51
  bottom
• 40:52
  with
• 40:52
  crayfish
• 40:52
  and
• 40:52
  hellgramites
• 40:53
  and
• 40:53
  things
• 40:53
  like
• 40:54
  that.
• 40:54
  So
• 40:55
  it's.
• 40:55
  It
• 40:55
  was
• 40:56
  a
• 40:56
  smaller
• 40:56
  project
• 40:56
  than
• 40:57
  my
• 40:57
  first
• 40:57
  book,
• 40:57
  but
• 40:57
  it
• 40:57
  was.
• 40:58
  It
• 40:58
  was
• 40:58
  super
• 40:58
  fun
• 40:59
  and,
• 41:00
  you
• 41:00
  know,
• 41:01
  kind
• 41:01
  of
• 41:01
  awesome
• 41:01
  to
• 41:01
  be
• 41:01
  done
• 41:02
  with
• 41:02
  a
• 41:02
  second
• 41:03
  book.
• 41:03
  So.
• 41:04
  Yeah,
• 41:04
  there
• 41:04
  you
• 41:04
  go.
• 41:04
  Did.
• 41:05
  Didn't
• 41:05
  Naguski
• 41:06
  do
• 41:06
  the
• 41:06
  trout
• 41:06
  fly
• 41:07
  one
• 41:08
  for
• 41:08
  Pa?
• 41:09
  Yep,
• 41:09
  yep.
• 41:10
  Nagaski
• 41:10
  did
• 41:10
  the
• 41:10
  child
• 41:10
  fly
• 41:11
  Favorite
• 41:11
  flies
• 41:11
  for
• 41:12
  Pennsylvania.
• 41:13
  I
• 41:13
  actually
• 41:13
  had
• 41:14
  his
• 41:14
  book
• 41:14
  sitting
• 41:15
  on
• 41:15
  my
• 41:15
  table
• 41:15
  the
• 41:15
  entire
• 41:16
  time
• 41:16
  I
• 41:16
  was
• 41:16
  writing
• 41:16
  it
• 41:17
  just
• 41:17
  to
• 41:17
  make
• 41:17
  sure
• 41:17
  I
• 41:17
  was
• 41:17
  doing
• 41:18
  it
• 41:18
  right.
• 41:18
  Like,
• 41:19
  looking
• 41:19
  at
• 41:19
  how
• 41:20
  he.
• 41:20
  How
• 41:21
  he
• 41:21
  did
• 41:22
  the
• 41:22
  recipes
• 41:22
  for
• 41:23
  each
• 41:23
  one
• 41:23
  and
• 41:23
  how
• 41:23
  many,
• 41:24
  you
• 41:24
  know,
• 41:24
  flies
• 41:25
  he
• 41:25
  added,
• 41:26
  you
• 41:26
  know,
• 41:26
  different
• 41:26
  pictures
• 41:27
  and
• 41:27
  things
• 41:27
  like
• 41:27
  that,
• 41:28
  too.
• 41:28
  And
• 41:28
  actually,
• 41:29
  speaking
• 41:30
  of
• 41:30
  Naguski,
• 41:30
  I
• 41:30
  used
• 41:31
  his
• 41:31
  camera
• 41:31
  and
• 41:32
  his
• 41:32
  studio
• 41:33
  to
• 41:33
  take
• 41:33
  all
• 41:33
  of
• 41:34
  the
• 41:34
  photos
• 41:35
  of
• 41:35
  the
• 41:35
  flies.
• 41:36
  So
• 41:36
  that
• 41:36
  was
• 41:36
  pretty
• 41:37
  fun.
• 41:37
  Yeah,
• 41:37
  that's
• 41:38
  a.
• 41:38
  We
• 41:39
  could
• 41:39
  do
• 41:39
  an
• 41:39
  entire
• 41:39
  interview
• 41:40
  on
• 41:40
  the
• 41:40
  nightmare
• 41:41
  of
• 41:41
  macro
• 41:41
  photography
• 41:42
  for
• 41:42
  flies
• 41:42
  for
• 41:43
  books.
• 41:43
  Right.
• 41:44
  You
• 41:44
  know
• 41:44
  what
• 41:45
  the
• 41:45
  worst
• 41:45
  part
• 41:45
  was,
• 41:46
  was,
• 41:46
  like,
• 41:47
  you
• 41:47
  know,
• 41:47
  you
• 41:47
  use
• 41:47
  these,
• 41:48
  like,
• 41:48
  little
• 41:48
  pieces
• 41:48
  of
• 41:49
  shale
• 41:49
  or
• 41:50
  something
• 41:50
  like
• 41:51
  that,
• 41:51
  and
• 41:51
  you.
• 41:51
  You
• 41:52
  make
• 41:53
  them
• 41:53
  wet
• 41:53
  so
• 41:54
  that
• 41:54
  they
• 41:54
  kind
• 41:55
  of
• 41:55
  glisten
• 41:55
  a
• 41:56
  little
• 41:56
  bit,
• 41:56
  and
• 41:56
  you
• 41:57
  take
• 41:57
  this
• 41:57
  awesome
• 41:58
  picture
• 41:58
  of
• 41:58
  this
• 41:59
  fly.
• 41:59
  It's
• 41:59
  all
• 41:59
  in
• 41:59
  focus,
• 42:00
  and
• 42:00
  then
• 42:00
  you
• 42:00
  blow
• 42:00
  it
• 42:00
  up
• 42:01
  on
• 42:01
  the
• 42:01
  computer,
• 42:01
  and
• 42:01
  you're
• 42:02
  like,
• 42:02
  there's
• 42:02
  three
• 42:02
  dry
• 42:03
  spots
• 42:03
  in
• 42:03
  it,
• 42:03
  so
• 42:04
  you
• 42:04
  kind
• 42:04
  of
• 42:04
  go
• 42:04
  back
• 42:04
  through
• 42:05
  and
• 42:05
  retake
• 42:05
  it
• 42:05
  again.
• 42:06
  So.
• 42:07
  But
• 42:07
  yeah,
• 42:07
  it
• 42:07
  was,
• 42:08
  you
• 42:08
  know,
• 42:08
  I.
• 42:08
  I
• 42:09
  learned
• 42:09
  a
• 42:09
  lot
• 42:09
  because
• 42:10
  he's
• 42:10
  got
• 42:10
  all
• 42:11
  the
• 42:11
  stuff,
• 42:11
  the
• 42:11
  little,
• 42:11
  like,
• 42:12
  light
• 42:12
  reflectors
• 42:13
  and
• 42:13
  the,
• 42:14
  you
• 42:14
  know,
• 42:14
  big
• 42:14
  hood
• 42:14
  with
• 42:15
  the.
• 42:15
  The
• 42:16
  flash
• 42:16
  on
• 42:16
  it
• 42:16
  and
• 42:17
  all
• 42:17
  that
• 42:17
  stuff.
• 42:17
  And
• 42:17
  so,
• 42:18
  yeah,
• 42:19
  macro,
• 42:19
  macro
• 42:20
  photography
• 42:21
  is.
• 42:21
  Is
• 42:22
  kind
• 42:22
  of
• 42:22
  a
• 42:22
  pain.
• 42:23
  But
• 42:23
  my
• 42:23
  flies,
• 42:24
  being
• 42:24
  bass,
• 42:24
  are
• 42:25
  a
• 42:25
  little
• 42:25
  bit
• 42:25
  bigger
• 42:25
  than,
• 42:26
  you
• 42:26
  know,
• 42:26
  trout
• 42:26
  flies,
• 42:27
  so
• 42:27
  they
• 42:27
  weren't
• 42:27
  quite
• 42:28
  as
• 42:28
  bad
• 42:28
  as,
• 42:28
  you
• 42:28
  know,
• 42:29
  time
• 42:29
  or
• 42:30
  taking
• 42:30
  photos
• 42:30
  of
• 42:30
  size
• 42:31
  16,
• 42:31
  you
• 42:31
  know,
• 42:32
  stone
• 42:32
  flies
• 42:33
  or
• 42:33
  nymphs
• 42:33
  or
• 42:33
  whatever.
• 42:34
  Yeah.
• 42:34
  And
• 42:34
  you
• 42:35
  weren't
• 42:35
  developing
• 42:35
  film,
• 42:36
  which
• 42:36
  would
• 42:36
  have
• 42:36
  made
• 42:36
  it
• 42:36
  even
• 42:36
  worse
• 42:37
  because
• 42:37
  you
• 42:37
  would
• 42:37
  have
• 42:37
  had
• 42:37
  to
• 42:37
  wait
• 42:38
  three
• 42:38
  weeks
• 42:38
  to
• 42:38
  realize
• 42:39
  you'd
• 42:39
  screwed
• 42:39
  up
• 42:39
  the
• 42:39
  shot.
• 42:41
  Exactly.
• 42:42
  I
• 42:42
  did.
• 42:42
  I
• 42:42
  did
• 42:43
  make
• 42:43
  the
• 42:43
  mistake,
• 42:43
  though,
• 42:43
  of
• 42:44
  taking
• 42:44
  all
• 42:44
  the
• 42:44
  photos
• 42:45
  and
• 42:45
  then
• 42:45
  going
• 42:45
  home.
• 42:46
  I
• 42:47
  live
• 42:47
  about
• 42:47
  30
• 42:47
  minutes
• 42:48
  from
• 42:48
  Eric.
• 42:48
  And
• 42:49
  so
• 42:49
  I
• 42:49
  went
• 42:49
  home,
• 42:50
  put,
• 42:50
  put
• 42:50
  them
• 42:50
  on
• 42:51
  the
• 42:51
  computer
• 42:51
  and
• 42:51
  I
• 42:51
  had
• 42:52
  to
• 42:52
  make
• 42:52
  a
• 42:52
  list
• 42:53
  of
• 42:53
  all
• 42:53
  the
• 42:53
  flies
• 42:54
  I
• 42:54
  had
• 42:54
  to
• 42:54
  re
• 42:54
  photograph
• 42:55
  and
• 42:55
  went
• 42:56
  back
• 42:56
  two
• 42:56
  days
• 42:56
  later,
• 42:57
  did
• 42:57
  it
• 42:57
  all
• 42:57
  over
• 42:57
  again.
• 42:58
  So
• 42:59
  it
• 42:59
  was
• 42:59
  kind
• 42:59
  of
• 42:59
  a
• 43:00
  pain,
• 43:00
  but,
• 43:00
  but
• 43:00
  again
• 43:01
  super
• 43:01
  fun.
• 43:01
  And
• 43:02
  actually
• 43:03
  because
• 43:03
  I
• 43:04
  was
• 43:04
  writing
• 43:04
  that
• 43:04
  book,
• 43:05
  I
• 43:06
  tied
• 43:06
  some
• 43:06
  flies
• 43:07
  that
• 43:07
  I
• 43:07
  hadn't
• 43:08
  tied
• 43:08
  yet.
• 43:08
  Such
• 43:09
  as
• 43:09
  like
• 43:09
  Schultz's
• 43:10
  the
• 43:10
  Woodsman
• 43:11
  and
• 43:11
  the
• 43:11
  Leggy
• 43:12
  Boy.
• 43:12
  I
• 43:12
  hadn't
• 43:12
  really
• 43:13
  tied
• 43:13
  those
• 43:13
  flies
• 43:14
  before
• 43:14
  and
• 43:15
  you
• 43:15
  know,
• 43:16
  I
• 43:16
  kind
• 43:16
  of
• 43:16
  had
• 43:16
  to
• 43:16
  get
• 43:17
  really
• 43:17
  good
• 43:17
  at
• 43:17
  it
• 43:17
  to
• 43:17
  make
• 43:18
  them,
• 43:18
  you
• 43:19
  know,
• 43:19
  photo
• 43:19
  worthy
• 43:20
  and
• 43:20
  ended
• 43:21
  up
• 43:21
  fishing
• 43:21
  them
• 43:21
  a
• 43:21
  lot
• 43:21
  in
• 43:22
  the
• 43:22
  spring
• 43:22
  and
• 43:22
  they
• 43:22
  were
• 43:23
  just
• 43:23
  as
• 43:23
  effective
• 43:24
  as
• 43:24
  those
• 43:24
  guys
• 43:24
  said
• 43:25
  they
• 43:25
  were.
• 43:25
  So
• 43:25
  that's
• 43:26
  good.
• 43:26
  Yeah.
• 43:26
  And
• 43:27
  I
• 43:27
  would
• 43:27
  imagine
• 43:27
  too,
• 43:27
  right.
• 43:28
  If
• 43:28
  you're
• 43:28
  done
• 43:29
  with
• 43:29
  the
• 43:29
  book,
• 43:29
  that
• 43:30
  probably
• 43:30
  means
• 43:30
  it'll
• 43:30
  be
• 43:31
  ready
• 43:31
  to
• 43:31
  launch
• 43:32
  kind
• 43:32
  of
• 43:32
  for
• 43:32
  the
• 43:32
  holiday
• 43:33
  season
• 43:33
  and
• 43:33
  show
• 43:33
  season
• 43:34
  in
• 43:34
  2026,
• 43:34
  right?
• 43:36
  Yep,
• 43:36
  yep.
• 43:37
  As
• 43:37
  far
• 43:37
  as
• 43:38
  I
• 43:38
  know,
• 43:38
  it
• 43:38
  should
• 43:38
  be,
• 43:39
  it
• 43:39
  should
• 43:39
  be
• 43:39
  out
• 43:40
  right
• 43:40
  around
• 43:40
  the
• 43:40
  Edison
• 43:41
  show.
• 43:42
  I
• 43:42
  was,
• 43:43
  they
• 43:43
  were
• 43:43
  thinking
• 43:44
  they
• 43:44
  might
• 43:44
  be
• 43:44
  able
• 43:44
  to
• 43:44
  have
• 43:45
  it
• 43:45
  done
• 43:45
  by,
• 43:45
  you
• 43:45
  know,
• 43:46
  the
• 43:46
  holidays,
• 43:47
  Christmas
• 43:47
  time.
• 43:47
  But
• 43:49
  this
• 43:49
  is
• 43:50
  actually
• 43:50
  from
• 43:51
  what
• 43:51
  I
• 43:51
  was
• 43:51
  told
• 43:51
  and
• 43:51
  this
• 43:52
  just
• 43:52
  could
• 43:52
  be
• 43:52
  because
• 43:53
  I
• 43:53
  was
• 43:53
  a
• 43:53
  little
• 43:53
  late
• 43:53
  on
• 43:54
  sending
• 43:54
  it
• 43:54
  in.
• 43:54
  But
• 43:55
  they're
• 43:55
  pretty
• 43:56
  busy
• 43:56
  on
• 43:56
  books
• 43:56
  this
• 43:57
  year.
• 43:57
  So
• 43:57
  I
• 43:57
  think
• 43:58
  it'll
• 43:58
  be
• 43:59
  beginning
• 44:00
  of
• 44:00
  26
• 44:00
  is
• 44:01
  when
• 44:01
  that,
• 44:01
  when
• 44:01
  that
• 44:01
  book
• 44:02
  will
• 44:02
  come
• 44:02
  out.
• 44:02
  So
• 44:03
  yeah,
• 44:03
  very
• 44:03
  cool.
• 44:04
  Any
• 44:04
  other
• 44:04
  projects
• 44:05
  you
• 44:05
  want
• 44:05
  to
• 44:05
  share
• 44:05
  with
• 44:05
  our
• 44:05
  listeners?
• 44:07
  I
• 44:07
  don't
• 44:08
  really
• 44:08
  have
• 44:08
  anything
• 44:08
  else
• 44:09
  going
• 44:09
  on
• 44:09
  right
• 44:09
  now.
• 44:11
  Well,
• 44:11
  I
• 44:11
  guess
• 44:11
  the
• 44:11
  only
• 44:11
  other
• 44:12
  thing
• 44:12
  I
• 44:12
  will
• 44:12
  say
• 44:12
  is
• 44:12
  that
• 44:14
  that's
• 44:14
  not
• 44:14
  true.
• 44:15
  I
• 44:15
  have
• 44:15
  a
• 44:15
  huge
• 44:15
  project.
• 44:17
  I
• 44:17
  just
• 44:17
  signed
• 44:18
  a
• 44:18
  contract
• 44:18
  with
• 44:18
  Montana
• 44:19
  Fly
• 44:19
  Company
• 44:20
  so
• 44:21
  they
• 44:21
  are
• 44:22
  taking
• 44:23
  all
• 44:23
  of
• 44:23
  my
• 44:24
  bass
• 44:24
  flies.
• 44:25
  So
• 44:26
  they're
• 44:26
  going
• 44:26
  to
• 44:26
  do
• 44:27
  a
• 44:27
  Jake
• 44:27
  Billow
• 44:28
  signature
• 44:28
  launch
• 44:29
  next
• 44:29
  year.
• 44:30
  It's
• 44:30
  gonna
• 44:30
  have
• 44:31
  nine
• 44:31
  or
• 44:32
  10
• 44:32
  patterns.
• 44:33
  As
• 44:33
  I'm
• 44:34
  tying
• 44:34
  flies
• 44:35
  for
• 44:35
  samples
• 44:36
  right
• 44:36
  now,
• 44:36
  once
• 44:36
  they,
• 44:38
  once
• 44:38
  they
• 44:39
  officially
• 44:39
  picked
• 44:40
  which
• 44:40
  ones
• 44:40
  they
• 44:40
  wanted,
• 44:41
  now
• 44:41
  I'm
• 44:41
  tying
• 44:41
  the
• 44:42
  samples
• 44:42
  for
• 44:42
  them
• 44:42
  and
• 44:43
  tying
• 44:43
  samples
• 44:43
  of
• 44:44
  flies
• 44:44
  to
• 44:44
  send
• 44:45
  to
• 44:45
  somebody
• 44:46
  in
• 44:46
  the
• 44:46
  middle
• 44:46
  of
• 44:46
  guide
• 44:47
  season
• 44:47
  is
• 44:48
  quite
• 44:48
  painful
• 44:49
  because
• 44:49
  you
• 44:49
  spend
• 44:49
  all
• 44:49
  this
• 44:49
  time
• 44:50
  tying
• 44:50
  flies
• 44:50
  and
• 44:50
  you
• 44:50
  can't
• 44:51
  put
• 44:51
  them
• 44:51
  in
• 44:51
  your
• 44:51
  box.
• 44:51
  But
• 44:52
  I
• 44:53
  keep
• 44:53
  coming
• 44:53
  up
• 44:53
  with
• 44:54
  a
• 44:54
  couple
• 44:54
  new
• 44:54
  flies
• 44:55
  as
• 44:55
  I'm
• 44:55
  doing
• 44:55
  this
• 44:55
  and
• 44:55
  I'm
• 44:56
  like,
• 44:56
  hey,
• 44:56
  what
• 44:56
  do
• 44:56
  you
• 44:56
  think
• 44:56
  of
• 44:56
  this
• 44:57
  one?
• 44:57
  They're
• 44:57
  like,
• 44:57
  yeah,
• 44:57
  send
• 44:57
  me
• 44:58
  a
• 44:58
  sample
• 44:58
  of
• 44:58
  that
• 44:58
  too.
• 44:58
  So
• 44:59
  as
• 44:59
  of
• 44:59
  right
• 44:59
  now,
• 45:00
  they've
• 45:00
  got
• 45:00
  nine,
• 45:00
  but
• 45:01
  they
• 45:01
  may
• 45:01
  have,
• 45:02
  they
• 45:02
  may
• 45:02
  have
• 45:02
  up
• 45:03
  to
• 45:03
  11
• 45:04
  when
• 45:04
  the
• 45:04
  actual
• 45:04
  launch
• 45:05
  happens
• 45:05
  next
• 45:06
  year.
• 45:06
  So
• 45:07
  that'll
• 45:07
  be
• 45:07
  pretty
• 45:08
  exciting.
• 45:08
  It's
• 45:09
  pretty
• 45:09
  Neat.
• 45:09
  I
• 45:09
  mean,
• 45:09
  gosh,
• 45:10
  those
• 45:10
  guys
• 45:10
  are,
• 45:11
  they're
• 45:11
  really
• 45:11
  kind
• 45:12
  of
• 45:12
  taking
• 45:12
  over
• 45:12
  kind
• 45:13
  of
• 45:13
  the
• 45:13
  streamer
• 45:13
  space
• 45:14
  and
• 45:14
  fly
• 45:14
  fishing
• 45:15
  100%.
• 45:16
  And
• 45:17
  you
• 45:17
  know
• 45:17
  what?
• 45:17
  I,
• 45:18
  I,
• 45:19
  I
• 45:19
  had
• 45:19
  a
• 45:19
  contract
• 45:20
  with
• 45:20
  fully
• 45:21
  Mills
• 45:21
  Slash
• 45:22
  Orbis
• 45:22
  for
• 45:22
  a
• 45:23
  long
• 45:23
  time,
• 45:23
  and
• 45:24
  that
• 45:25
  kind
• 45:25
  of
• 45:25
  contract
• 45:26
  expired.
• 45:26
  And
• 45:27
  it
• 45:27
  was
• 45:27
  just
• 45:27
  like
• 45:27
  the
• 45:28
  perfect
• 45:28
  storm
• 45:28
  and
• 45:28
  timing
• 45:29
  for
• 45:29
  me.
• 45:30
  Montana
• 45:31
  fly
• 45:31
  reached
• 45:31
  out
• 45:31
  to
• 45:31
  me,
• 45:32
  but
• 45:32
  I,
• 45:33
  they
• 45:33
  sent
• 45:34
  me
• 45:34
  some
• 45:35
  flies
• 45:36
  from
• 45:37
  a
• 45:37
  couple
• 45:37
  different
• 45:38
  tires
• 45:38
  to,
• 45:39
  to
• 45:39
  photograph
• 45:39
  for
• 45:40
  the
• 45:40
  book,
• 45:40
  and
• 45:40
  I
• 45:41
  honestly
• 45:41
  could
• 45:41
  not
• 45:42
  tie
• 45:42
  that
• 45:42
  fly
• 45:43
  better
• 45:44
  myself.
• 45:44
  So,
• 45:45
  you
• 45:45
  know,
• 45:45
  the
• 45:45
  quality
• 45:46
  of
• 45:46
  streamer
• 45:47
  tying
• 45:48
  is
• 45:48
  amazing.
• 45:48
  And
• 45:49
  the
• 45:49
  way
• 45:49
  they
• 45:49
  package
• 45:49
  them,
• 45:50
  they
• 45:50
  don't
• 45:50
  get
• 45:50
  all
• 45:50
  smashed
• 45:51
  and
• 45:51
  stuff.
• 45:51
  And
• 45:51
  so
• 45:53
  the
• 45:53
  quality
• 45:53
  control
• 45:54
  of
• 45:54
  MFC
• 45:54
  is,
• 45:55
  is
• 45:55
  pretty,
• 45:55
  pretty
• 45:56
  phenomenal.
• 45:56
  So
• 45:57
  I'm,
• 45:57
  I'm
• 45:57
  really
• 45:57
  excited
• 45:58
  to
• 45:58
  work
• 45:58
  with
• 45:58
  them
• 45:58
  and
• 45:59
  it'll
• 46:00
  be
• 46:00
  nice
• 46:00
  to
• 46:00
  finally
• 46:01
  have,
• 46:01
  you
• 46:02
  know
• 46:02
  what?
• 46:02
  I
• 46:02
  would
• 46:02
  consider
• 46:02
  some
• 46:03
  of
• 46:03
  the,
• 46:03
  you
• 46:04
  know,
• 46:04
  more
• 46:04
  modern
• 46:05
  bass
• 46:05
  bugs
• 46:06
  available
• 46:06
  for
• 46:06
  people
• 46:06
  to
• 46:07
  purchase.
• 46:07
  Because
• 46:07
  not
• 46:08
  every
• 46:08
  Thai,
• 46:08
  every
• 46:09
  fly
• 46:09
  fisherman,
• 46:10
  or
• 46:10
  should
• 46:11
  I
• 46:11
  say
• 46:11
  fly
• 46:11
  angler,
• 46:12
  ties
• 46:12
  flies.
• 46:13
  So,
• 46:13
  you
• 46:13
  know,
• 46:14
  when
• 46:14
  I'm
• 46:14
  people
• 46:14
  like,
• 46:15
  oh,
• 46:15
  do
• 46:15
  you
• 46:15
  sell
• 46:15
  your
• 46:16
  roamer?
• 46:16
  Do
• 46:16
  you
• 46:16
  sell
• 46:16
  your
• 46:17
  crayfish?
• 46:17
  I'm
• 46:17
  like,
• 46:19
  no,
• 46:19
  but
• 46:20
  you
• 46:20
  know,
• 46:20
  maybe
• 46:21
  somebody
• 46:21
  else
• 46:21
  could
• 46:22
  time
• 46:22
  for
• 46:22
  you
• 46:22
  and
• 46:22
  you
• 46:23
  know,
• 46:23
  so
• 46:23
  it'll
• 46:23
  be
• 46:23
  nice
• 46:23
  to
• 46:24
  be
• 46:24
  like,
• 46:24
  no,
• 46:24
  I
• 46:24
  don't.
• 46:24
  But
• 46:25
  you
• 46:25
  know,
• 46:25
  they
• 46:25
  Montana
• 46:26
  fly
• 46:26
  ties
• 46:27
  as
• 46:27
  well
• 46:27
  as
• 46:27
  I
• 46:27
  do,
• 46:28
  so
• 46:28
  go
• 46:28
  buy
• 46:28
  them
• 46:28
  from
• 46:28
  them.
• 46:29
  So
• 46:29
  it's
• 46:29
  pretty
• 46:30
  cool.
• 46:30
  Yeah.
• 46:30
  Plus,
• 46:31
  I
• 46:31
  mean,
• 46:31
  these
• 46:31
  ties
• 46:32
  are
• 46:32
  involved,
• 46:32
  Right.
• 46:33
  So
• 46:33
  even
• 46:33
  if
• 46:33
  you
• 46:33
  tie,
• 46:34
  you
• 46:34
  may
• 46:34
  not
• 46:34
  want
• 46:34
  to
• 46:34
  tie
• 46:35
  that.
• 46:35
  Right?
• 46:36
  Yeah.
• 46:37
  And
• 46:37
  you
• 46:37
  know,
• 46:37
  I,
• 46:38
  I
• 46:38
  know
• 46:38
  that
• 46:39
  like
• 46:39
  when
• 46:39
  Covid
• 46:40
  hit
• 46:41
  and
• 46:41
  we
• 46:41
  weren't
• 46:41
  allowed
• 46:42
  to
• 46:42
  guide,
• 46:42
  I
• 46:43
  spent
• 46:44
  the
• 46:44
  entire
• 46:44
  month
• 46:45
  of
• 46:45
  April.
• 46:46
  I
• 46:46
  threw
• 46:46
  the
• 46:47
  Roamer
• 46:47
  and
• 46:47
  a
• 46:47
  couple
• 46:47
  other
• 46:48
  bath
• 46:48
  bugs
• 46:48
  back
• 46:49
  up
• 46:49
  on
• 46:49
  my
• 46:49
  website
• 46:50
  purchase
• 46:50
  and
• 46:51
  expected
• 46:51
  to
• 46:52
  get
• 46:52
  a
• 46:52
  few
• 46:52
  orders.
• 46:52
  And
• 46:53
  within
• 46:53
  48
• 46:54
  hours,
• 46:54
  I
• 46:54
  had
• 46:54
  36
• 46:55
  orders
• 46:55
  and
• 46:56
  I
• 46:56
  was
• 46:56
  tying
• 46:56
  flies
• 46:57
  for
• 46:57
  eight
• 46:57
  hours
• 46:57
  a
• 46:57
  day
• 46:58
  during
• 46:58
  COVID
• 46:59
  And
• 46:59
  I
• 47:00
  just
• 47:00
  kind
• 47:00
  of
• 47:00
  realized
• 47:00
  that
• 47:01
  I
• 47:01
  never
• 47:01
  wanted
• 47:01
  to
• 47:01
  tie
• 47:02
  commercially
• 47:02
  again.
• 47:03
  And
• 47:03
  I
• 47:03
  also
• 47:04
  charged
• 47:04
  more
• 47:05
  because
• 47:05
  I
• 47:06
  didn't
• 47:06
  want
• 47:06
  to
• 47:06
  do
• 47:06
  it
• 47:06
  and
• 47:07
  people
• 47:07
  didn't
• 47:08
  have
• 47:08
  any
• 47:08
  issues
• 47:08
  paying,
• 47:09
  paying
• 47:09
  it
• 47:09
  because
• 47:09
  they
• 47:10
  wanted
• 47:10
  to
• 47:10
  fly.
• 47:10
  So
• 47:12
  at
• 47:12
  this
• 47:12
  point,
• 47:13
  I
• 47:13
  can't
• 47:14
  tie
• 47:14
  commercially
• 47:14
  because
• 47:15
  any
• 47:16
  fly
• 47:16
  that
• 47:16
  I
• 47:16
  tie
• 47:17
  besides
• 47:17
  these
• 47:17
  samples
• 47:18
  has
• 47:18
  to
• 47:18
  go
• 47:18
  in
• 47:19
  my
• 47:19
  fly
• 47:19
  box
• 47:19
  because
• 47:19
  I
• 47:20
  don't,
• 47:20
  you
• 47:20
  know,
• 47:20
  I
• 47:20
  don't
• 47:21
  have.
• 47:21
  Well,
• 47:22
  right
• 47:22
  now
• 47:22
  I
• 47:22
  have
• 47:22
  plenty
• 47:23
  of
• 47:23
  time
• 47:23
  because
• 47:23
  the
• 47:23
  river's
• 47:24
  blown
• 47:24
  out.
• 47:24
  But
• 47:25
  unfortunately
• 47:26
  for
• 47:26
  me,
• 47:26
  I
• 47:27
  have
• 47:27
  a
• 47:27
  full
• 47:27
  box
• 47:28
  of
• 47:28
  flies,
• 47:28
  so
• 47:28
  I
• 47:28
  don't
• 47:28
  even
• 47:29
  get
• 47:29
  to
• 47:29
  tie
• 47:29
  flies.
• 47:29
  But
• 47:31
  yeah,
• 47:31
  so
• 47:31
  any,
• 47:32
  any
• 47:32
  bug
• 47:32
  that
• 47:32
  I
• 47:32
  tie
• 47:33
  has
• 47:33
  to
• 47:33
  go
• 47:34
  in
• 47:34
  my
• 47:34
  box.
• 47:34
  It's
• 47:35
  Too
• 47:35
  valuable
• 47:35
  for
• 47:36
  my
• 47:36
  job.
• 47:37
  Yeah,
• 47:37
  there
• 47:38
  you
• 47:38
  go.
• 47:38
  And
• 47:38
  I
• 47:38
  will.
• 47:38
  We
• 47:39
  haven't
• 47:39
  talked
• 47:39
  really
• 47:39
  about
• 47:39
  your
• 47:40
  kind
• 47:40
  of
• 47:40
  relentless
• 47:41
  and
• 47:41
  everything
• 47:41
  you
• 47:41
  do
• 47:41
  there,
• 47:42
  but
• 47:42
  I
• 47:42
  will
• 47:42
  drop
• 47:42
  a
• 47:43
  link
• 47:43
  to
• 47:44
  our
• 47:44
  original
• 47:44
  interview
• 47:45
  in
• 47:45
  the
• 47:45
  show
• 47:45
  notes
• 47:45
  for
• 47:46
  this
• 47:46
  one.
• 47:47
  But,
• 47:47
  you
• 47:47
  know,
• 47:48
  you
• 47:48
  know,
• 47:48
  before
• 47:48
  you
• 47:48
  go
• 47:49
  tonight,
• 47:49
  you
• 47:49
  want
• 47:49
  to
• 47:49
  let
• 47:49
  folks
• 47:50
  know,
• 47:50
  like
• 47:50
  you
• 47:50
  told
• 47:51
  me
• 47:51
  before
• 47:51
  we
• 47:51
  started
• 47:51
  recording
• 47:52
  that
• 47:52
  you
• 47:52
  picked
• 47:52
  up
• 47:52
  State
• 47:52
  College.
• 47:53
  So
• 47:53
  you
• 47:53
  now
• 47:53
  are
• 47:54
  running
• 47:55
  all
• 47:55
  the
• 47:55
  guides
• 47:55
  at
• 47:55
  tco.
• 47:56
  You
• 47:56
  want
• 47:56
  to
• 47:56
  kind
• 47:56
  of
• 47:57
  give
• 47:57
  folks
• 47:57
  kind
• 47:57
  of,
• 47:58
  you
• 47:58
  know,
• 47:58
  the
• 47:58
  locations
• 47:59
  and
• 47:59
  you're
• 48:00
  more
• 48:00
  than
• 48:00
  just,
• 48:00
  you
• 48:00
  know,
• 48:01
  smallmouth.
• 48:01
  You're
• 48:01
  doing
• 48:01
  trout
• 48:02
  and
• 48:02
  other
• 48:02
  stuff
• 48:02
  too,
• 48:03
  kind
• 48:03
  of
• 48:03
  all
• 48:03
  that
• 48:04
  kind
• 48:04
  of
• 48:04
  good
• 48:04
  stuff
• 48:04
  and
• 48:04
  how
• 48:04
  they
• 48:05
  can
• 48:05
  reach
• 48:05
  out
• 48:05
  and
• 48:05
  get
• 48:05
  on
• 48:06
  the
• 48:06
  water
• 48:06
  with
• 48:06
  you
• 48:06
  or
• 48:06
  one
• 48:06
  of
• 48:07
  your
• 48:07
  guides.
• 48:09
  Yeah,
• 48:09
  so
• 48:10
  we
• 48:10
  do,
• 48:11
  we
• 48:11
  do
• 48:11
  the
• 48:12
  trout
• 48:12
  stuff.
• 48:12
  So
• 48:12
  we've
• 48:13
  got.
• 48:13
  TCO
• 48:13
  has
• 48:14
  five
• 48:14
  locations,
• 48:15
  one
• 48:15
  in
• 48:15
  Bryn
• 48:16
  Mawr,
• 48:16
  one
• 48:17
  in
• 48:17
  Reading,
• 48:18
  State
• 48:18
  College,
• 48:19
  Boiling
• 48:20
  Springs,
• 48:20
  and
• 48:20
  the
• 48:20
  most
• 48:21
  recent
• 48:21
  one
• 48:21
  is
• 48:21
  up
• 48:22
  in
• 48:22
  Muncie.
• 48:23
  Muncie,
• 48:23
  Pennsylvania.
• 48:24
  So
• 48:24
  kind
• 48:24
  of
• 48:24
  Northern
• 48:25
  Pennsylvania,
• 48:26
  Pine
• 48:26
  Creek,
• 48:26
  West
• 48:26
  Bench,
• 48:27
  Susquehanna.
• 48:28
  So,
• 48:29
  you
• 48:29
  know,
• 48:29
  we.
• 48:30
  One
• 48:30
  of
• 48:30
  the
• 48:31
  beauties
• 48:31
  of
• 48:31
  what
• 48:31
  we
• 48:32
  have
• 48:32
  is
• 48:32
  we
• 48:32
  have
• 48:33
  guides
• 48:33
  that
• 48:33
  are
• 48:33
  really
• 48:34
  good
• 48:34
  in
• 48:34
  each
• 48:34
  one
• 48:35
  of
• 48:35
  those
• 48:35
  locations.
• 48:35
  So
• 48:36
  we're
• 48:36
  not
• 48:36
  like
• 48:36
  a
• 48:36
  centrally
• 48:37
  located
• 48:37
  outfitter
• 48:38
  that
• 48:38
  just
• 48:38
  kind
• 48:38
  of
• 48:39
  goes
• 48:39
  here,
• 48:40
  goes
• 48:40
  there.
• 48:41
  And
• 48:41
  so
• 48:42
  we
• 48:42
  have,
• 48:42
  you
• 48:43
  know,
• 48:43
  trout
• 48:43
  guides,
• 48:44
  we
• 48:44
  have
• 48:44
  steelhead
• 48:44
  guides,
• 48:45
  we
• 48:45
  have
• 48:45
  smallmouth
• 48:45
  guides,
• 48:46
  we
• 48:46
  have
• 48:46
  muskie
• 48:47
  guides.
• 48:48
  And
• 48:48
  so
• 48:48
  we
• 48:48
  do
• 48:49
  it
• 48:49
  all
• 48:49
  in
• 48:49
  Pennsylvania.
• 48:50
  And
• 48:50
  then
• 48:50
  the
• 48:50
  one
• 48:50
  other
• 48:50
  thing
• 48:51
  that
• 48:51
  we've
• 48:51
  got
• 48:51
  that's
• 48:52
  kind
• 48:52
  of
• 48:52
  neat
• 48:52
  is
• 48:52
  I
• 48:52
  have
• 48:53
  a
• 48:53
  guide
• 48:54
  that
• 48:54
  spends
• 48:55
  three
• 48:55
  months
• 48:55
  in,
• 48:56
  in
• 48:56
  North
• 48:56
  Carolina
• 48:56
  every
• 48:57
  fall,
• 48:58
  but
• 48:58
  chasing
• 48:59
  false
• 48:59
  albacore
• 49:00
  and
• 49:00
  amberjack.
• 49:01
  So
• 49:01
  we
• 49:01
  also
• 49:01
  actually
• 49:02
  have
• 49:02
  a
• 49:02
  saltwater
• 49:03
  guide
• 49:03
  that
• 49:03
  works
• 49:03
  for
• 49:03
  us
• 49:04
  as
• 49:04
  well,
• 49:04
  which
• 49:04
  is
• 49:04
  kind
• 49:05
  of
• 49:05
  nice.
• 49:05
  So,
• 49:06
  you
• 49:06
  know,
• 49:06
  if
• 49:06
  you
• 49:07
  want
• 49:07
  to
• 49:07
  do
• 49:07
  some
• 49:07
  saltwater,
• 49:08
  we've
• 49:08
  got
• 49:08
  you
• 49:08
  covered.
• 49:09
  If
• 49:09
  you
• 49:10
  want
• 49:10
  to
• 49:10
  trout
• 49:10
  fish,
• 49:10
  bass
• 49:11
  fish,
• 49:11
  or
• 49:12
  really
• 49:12
  any
• 49:12
  freshwater,
• 49:13
  you
• 49:13
  know,
• 49:14
  game
• 49:14
  fish
• 49:14
  in
• 49:14
  Pennsylvania,
• 49:15
  or
• 49:16
  we
• 49:16
  can
• 49:16
  do
• 49:16
  that.
• 49:16
  We
• 49:17
  also
• 49:17
  have
• 49:17
  two
• 49:17
  licensed
• 49:18
  guides
• 49:18
  in
• 49:18
  New
• 49:18
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• 49:19
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• 49:20
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• 49:20
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• 49:20
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• 49:20
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• 49:20
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• 49:22
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• 49:22
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• 49:23
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• 49:24
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• 49:25
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• 49:25
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• 49:26
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• 49:26
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• 49:26
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• 49:27
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• 49:27
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• 49:27
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• 49:27
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• 49:28
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• 49:28
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• 49:28
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• 49:29
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• 49:30
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• 49:31
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• 49:32
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• 49:32
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• 49:32
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• 49:33
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• 49:33
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• 49:34
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• 49:34
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• 49:35
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• 49:35
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• 49:35
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• 49:36
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• 49:36
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• 49:36
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• 49:37
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• 49:37
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• 49:37
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• 49:38
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• 49:38
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• 49:39
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• 49:40
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• 49:40
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• 49:41
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• 49:41
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• 49:41
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• 49:41
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• 49:42
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• 49:43
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• 49:44
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• 49:46
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• 49:46
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• 49:50
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• 49:51
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• 49:51
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• 49:51
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• 49:51
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• 49:52
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• 49:52
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• 49:53
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• 49:53
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• 49:53
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• 49:54
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• 49:54
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• 49:55
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• 49:56
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• 49:56
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• 49:56
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• 49:57
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• 49:57
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• 49:58
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• 49:58
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• 49:59
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• 49:59
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• 49:59
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• 50:00
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• 50:01
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• 50:02
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• 50:03
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• 50:03
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• 50:03
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• 50:03
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• 50:03
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• 50:04
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• 50:04
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• 50:04
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• 50:04
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• 50:05
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• 50:07
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• 50:07
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• 50:08
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• 50:08
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• 50:08
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• 50:08
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• 50:09
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• 50:09
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• 50:10
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• 50:10
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• 50:10
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• 50:11
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• 50:11
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• 50:13
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• 50:14
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• 50:14
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• 50:15
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• 50:15
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• 50:16
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• 50:16
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• 50:16
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• 50:16
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• 50:17
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• 50:17
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• 50:17
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• 50:18
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• 50:18
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• 50:19
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• 50:19
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• 50:19
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• 50:19
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• 50:20
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• 50:20
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• 50:20
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• 50:20
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• 50:21
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• 50:21
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• 50:22
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• 50:22
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• 50:22
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• 50:23
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• 50:23
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• 50:23
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• 50:23
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• 50:23
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• 50:23
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• 50:24
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• 50:24
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• 50:24
  folks
• 50:24
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• 50:24
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• 50:24
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• 50:25
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• 50:25
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• 50:25
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• 50:25
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• 50:25
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• 50:25
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• 50:25
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• 50:26
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• 50:26
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• 50:27
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• 50:27
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• 50:28
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• 50:28
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• 50:28
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• 50:28
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• 50:29
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• 50:29
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• 50:30
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• 50:30
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• 50:30
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• 50:31
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• 50:33
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• 50:33
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• 50:33
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• 50:33
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• 50:34
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• 50:34
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• 50:34
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• 50:34
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• 50:34
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• 50:35
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• 50:36
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• 50:36
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• 50:37
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• 50:37
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• 50:37
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• 50:38
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• 50:38
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• 50:38
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• 50:38
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• 50:39
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• 50:40
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• 50:40
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• 50:40
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• 50:40
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• 50:41
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• 50:41
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• 50:42
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• 50:43
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• 50:43
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• 50:44
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• 50:44
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• 50:44
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• 50:45
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• 50:45
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• 50:45
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• 50:45
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• 50:46
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• 50:46
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• 50:46
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• 50:46
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• 50:46
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• 50:47
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• 50:48
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• 50:49
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• 50:49
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• 50:50
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• 50:50
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• 50:50
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• 50:51
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• 50:51
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• 50:51
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• 50:52
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• 50:52
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• 50:52
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• 50:53
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• 50:53
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• 50:53
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• 50:54
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• 50:55
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• 50:56
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• 50:56
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• 50:56
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• 50:58
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• 50:58
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• 50:58
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• 50:59
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• 50:59
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• 50:59
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• 51:00
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• 51:00
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• 51:00
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• 51:01
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• 51:01
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• 51:01
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• 51:02
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• 51:02
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• 51:02
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• 51:02
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• 51:02
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• 51:03
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• 51:03
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• 51:03
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• 51:04
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• 51:04
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• 51:05
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• 51:05
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• 51:05
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• 51:06
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• 51:06
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• 51:06
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• 51:07
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• 51:07
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• 51:07
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• 51:07
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• 51:07
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• 51:07
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• 51:08
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• 51:08
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• 51:08
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• 51:08
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• 51:09
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• 51:09
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• 51:09
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• 51:10
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• 51:10
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• 51:11
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• 51:11
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• 51:12
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• 51:12
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• 51:12
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• 51:12
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• 51:13
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• 51:13
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• 51:14
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• 51:14
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• 51:14
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• 51:15
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• 51:15
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• 51:15
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• 51:15
  later
• 51:15
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• 51:16
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• 51:16
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• 51:16
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• 51:16
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• 51:17
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• 51:17
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• 51:17
  schedule
• 51:18
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• 51:19
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• 51:19
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• 51:19
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• 51:19
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• 51:19
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• 51:19
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• 51:20
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• 51:20
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• 51:20
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• 51:20
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• 51:20
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• 51:21
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• 51:21
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• 51:21
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• 51:21
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• 51:21
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• 51:21
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• 51:22
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• 51:22
  And
• 51:23
  I'll
• 51:23
  drop
• 51:23
  links
• 51:24
  to
• 51:24
  all
• 51:24
  that
• 51:24
  stuff
• 51:24
  in
• 51:24
  the
• 51:24
  show
• 51:25
  notes.
• 51:25
  And
• 51:26
  Jake,
• 51:26
  I'm
• 51:26
  sorry
• 51:27
  you're
• 51:27
  going
• 51:27
  to
• 51:27
  be
• 51:27
  off
• 51:27
  the
• 51:27
  water
• 51:27
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• 51:28
  a
• 51:28
  few
• 51:28
  days,
• 51:28
  but
• 51:28
  I
• 51:28
  appreciate
• 51:29
  you
• 51:29
  spending
• 51:29
  some
• 51:29
  time
• 51:29
  with
• 51:29
  me
• 51:29
  this
• 51:30
  evening.
• 51:31
  Yeah,
• 51:31
  absolutely.
• 51:31
  I
• 51:32
  mean,
• 51:32
  it's
• 51:32
  part
• 51:33
  of,
• 51:33
  part
• 51:33
  of
• 51:33
  this
• 51:34
  being
• 51:34
  a
• 51:34
  fishing
• 51:35
  guide.
• 51:35
  Some
• 51:35
  you,
• 51:35
  some
• 51:35
  days
• 51:36
  you
• 51:36
  get
• 51:36
  them,
• 51:36
  some
• 51:36
  days
• 51:36
  you
• 51:36
  don't.
• 51:37
  Yeah,
• 51:37
  well,
• 51:38
  hopefully
• 51:38
  our
• 51:38
  paths
• 51:38
  will
• 51:39
  cross
• 51:39
  before,
• 51:40
  before
• 51:40
  Edison
• 51:40
  next
• 51:41
  year.
• 51:42
  Yep.
• 51:42
  I,
• 51:42
  I
• 51:42
  think
• 51:43
  we
• 51:43
  should
• 51:43
  go
• 51:43
  fishing
• 51:43
  sometime
• 51:44
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• 51:44
  There
• 51:44
  you
• 51:45
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• 51:45
  Take
• 51:45
  care.
• 51:46
  Well,
• 51:46
  folks,
• 51:47
  we
• 51:47
  hope
• 51:47
  you
• 51:47
  enjoyed
• 51:48
  the
• 51:48
  interview
• 51:48
  as
• 51:48
  much
• 51:48
  as
• 51:48
  we
• 51:49
  enjoyed
• 51:49
  bringing
• 51:49
  it
• 51:49
  to
• 51:50
  you.
• 51:50
  Don't
• 51:50
  forget
• 51:50
  to
• 51:51
  check
• 51:51
  out
• 51:51
  the
• 51:51
  links
• 51:51
  to
• 51:51
  all
• 51:52
  of
• 51:52
  this
• 51:52
  episode's
• 51:52
  sponsors
• 51:53
  in
• 51:53
  the
• 51:53
  show
• 51:53
  notes.
• 51:54
  Tight
• 51:54
  lines,
• 51:55
  everybody.