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Monday Mini: Man v. Bear · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is any and Samantha. I'm welcome to Steph.
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  Speaker 1: I've never told you a prediction of iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: And we are back with aday a Monday, A Nonday.
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  Speaker 2: I put another and Monday together, So I just created
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  Speaker 2: a new word. Maybe that's our new series word.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, Samantha. Oh, I have learned new Star Wars knowledge.
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  Speaker 3: The Star Wars days of the week. One of them
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  Speaker 3: is Banundai Banundae. So you're close to I'm close.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm calling this a Nonday, which is my Monday
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  Speaker 2: mini because it's another Monday Mini.
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  Speaker 4: A Monday MANI I like that, and we're coming.
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  Speaker 2: Back to me making all of my Monday Mine's like
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  Speaker 2: Samantha's social media corner, which I did. I feel like
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  Speaker 2: that's my new thing now in which I just find
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  Speaker 2: random posts and I'm like, yeah, we're gonna talk about
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  Speaker 2: this because I find them fascinating. And also I have
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  Speaker 2: a lot of questions and thoughts that I don't put
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  Speaker 2: on social media myself because I am not articulate enough
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  Speaker 2: to type it out on my phone.
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  Speaker 4: I can't stand it.
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  Speaker 2: I start to say, anyway, that's a whole different episode.
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  Speaker 2: But I do need to put trigger warning content warning,
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  Speaker 2: we are talking about sexual abuse, sexual harassment, we're talking
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  Speaker 2: about all the violence against women type of things here.
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  Speaker 2: We're not going into detail. I'm talking a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of specifics and even like violence with animals. So put
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  Speaker 2: that at the top. I know, intriguing, right.
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  Speaker 4: Because honestly, my TikTok has.
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  Speaker 2: Been flooded with several things because the world is bad.
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  Speaker 2: I think we had this conversation just with Bridget about
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  Speaker 2: how all of social media does make me really really
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  Speaker 2: really really really sad sometimes. Also, I did find a
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  Speaker 2: new dog content where all they do I'm not really
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  Speaker 2: sure the jeniter of the dog, but it's get types
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  Speaker 2: of containers, brings it to its owner and then tries
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  Speaker 2: to lay in it no matter how big or small,
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  Speaker 2: and then falls out of it on purpose. It is
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  Speaker 2: really proud of themselves. I really love that content anyway,
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  Speaker 2: So that's the beginning. Enjoy is content that I have found.
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  Speaker 2: But unfortunately the other side of that is there's a
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  Speaker 2: viral video going around. I think it's I want to
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  Speaker 2: say it's a YouTube video, I don't actually think it
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  Speaker 2: originated with TikTok, and I was trying to find the
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  Speaker 2: original video.
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  Speaker 4: But of course my short search. I'm sure it would
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  Speaker 4: be easy to find. I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: It's essentially that whole situation where a person with a
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  Speaker 2: mic goes randomly on the streets asking random questions to people.
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  Speaker 2: So what billy on the streets has been doing? But
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  Speaker 2: now it's everywhere and everyone does it, And sometimes you
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  Speaker 2: have some really iconic answers, and sometimes you have really
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  Speaker 2: problematic answers, and you start like, yeah, this is this
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  Speaker 2: is society. But this one was asking people, specifically women,
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  Speaker 2: would they rather be alone in the forest with a
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  Speaker 2: bear or a man? And I have a feeling if
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  Speaker 2: you're on social media at all, you know exactly what
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking about, because it's huge. But if you're any
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  Speaker 2: and you're not on social media, you have no clue
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  Speaker 2: what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Nope, this was the topic of discussion.
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  Speaker 4: When I said this to her, I just assumed she
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  Speaker 4: was like, yeah, of course.
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  Speaker 2: She's like what what? Because I said bear man things,
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  Speaker 2: she was like what. So I don't even know what
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  Speaker 2: was going through your mind. I will say, in my searches,
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  Speaker 2: when I was looking for like the original video, the
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  Speaker 2: actual search results showed me that Chinese sun bears and
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  Speaker 2: people talking about whether or not they thought it was
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  Speaker 2: a man in a suit or actual yeah you know
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  Speaker 2: what I'm talking about, which I have seen that that's
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  Speaker 2: been a minute, but I was like, oh, that's funny.
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  Speaker 4: Those are the two results like.
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  Speaker 2: It, but specifically about women being alone in the forest
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  Speaker 2: with whether it was a bear or a man. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of discussion and a lot of talks,
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  Speaker 2: and unsurprisingly, I think most women said bears and men
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  Speaker 2: are unhappy. Of course, this is one of those situations,
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  Speaker 2: not all men. Because there's also one new thing with
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  Speaker 2: this of women asking their partners if their sys I guess,
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  Speaker 2: or if they're in a heterosexual relationship. So we have
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  Speaker 2: women with men asking them would you rather your daughter
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  Speaker 2: be in the woods with a bear or a man?
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  Speaker 2: And a chunk of them either have a lot of
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  Speaker 2: questions or typically just like bear like straightforward, and then
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  Speaker 2: when they are asked why, they'll be like, because I
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  Speaker 2: don't want my daughter to go through some of the
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  Speaker 2: things that they could go through with men, essentially, and
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  Speaker 2: so so back and forth about all this.
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  Speaker 4: But you have a chunk of men sitting there going.
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  Speaker 2: That's so ridiculous, literally trying to say all these scientific
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  Speaker 2: and I'm putting this in quotes facts about what bears
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  Speaker 2: can do to people and this is dumb and how
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  Speaker 2: would women even survive that this is someone one of
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  Speaker 2: the commenters said brain rods and one of them said
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  Speaker 2: internet rot and they just need to get off the
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  Speaker 2: internet because they don't understand. And then at one point
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  Speaker 2: they were like, yeah, and if they were put in
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  Speaker 2: a room where it'd be with just a bear or
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  Speaker 2: with a man, like having these scenarios just go completely
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  Speaker 2: out of whack and getting upset that women are saying bears.
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  Speaker 2: And even in the interview you have the women saying, well,
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  Speaker 2: let me ask these questions and then just any depth
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  Speaker 2: say yeah, bear bear, And of course we have this conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Some of the reasons that we have said we being
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  Speaker 2: women or marginalized people are saying, is bears attack out
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  Speaker 2: of hunger or fear or protection. And this is from
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  Speaker 2: what I gather, Like, so you know kind of what
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  Speaker 2: to expect. So yes, you may die, you may die,
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  Speaker 2: But the other thing is, but you also know that
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  Speaker 2: you're just gonna die, Like that's not that's it, You're not.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you may be broken, you may go through
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  Speaker 2: some things, for sure, but like as where men are torturing,
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  Speaker 2: sexually violating and maybe taking pictures and posting, like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the level of public humiliation, as well as a fact
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  Speaker 2: that for bears, like you're probably gonna get more sympathy
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  Speaker 2: from a bear attack than being attacked by a man.
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  Speaker 2: Or you're also more likely going to be believed if
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  Speaker 2: you're attacked by a bear rather than a man or
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  Speaker 2: you don't have to be publicly humiliated to tell your
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  Speaker 2: story and petrified of retaliation of some sorts. And I
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  Speaker 2: find that fascinating in that conversation because men are like,
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  Speaker 2: but no, this is what happens to you. They don't
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  Speaker 2: just they do bad things to your body too. One
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  Speaker 2: dude just went as far as to say, like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you think men will violate your body, Bears do too.
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  Speaker 2: Bears hump trees, they'll hump you. And I'm like, can
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  Speaker 2: you name a case, Like, I'm sure maybe weird, weird
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  Speaker 2: things have happened, so I'm not completely disregarding, but like
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  Speaker 2: the amount of times that have happened, can you tell me?
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  Speaker 4: Of course that's not a thing.
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  Speaker 2: And then yeah, one of the reasons that women said
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  Speaker 2: they were more scared of men is because if they
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  Speaker 2: are rejected, if they felt like people were insulting them
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  Speaker 2: or threatening them, or because they just don't like women
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  Speaker 2: or anyone different from them. The example of the man
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  Speaker 2: randomly punching women on the streets of New York for
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  Speaker 2: no damn reason, literally seeing them on their phone just
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  Speaker 2: side to punch them, or and or just because they
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  Speaker 2: can literally just saying I just wanted to see if
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  Speaker 2: I could again. I'm trying to really really think about
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  Speaker 2: why the men are so angry in this situation. It's
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  Speaker 2: one of those things in the level of like you're
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  Speaker 2: getting defensive over something that either is really true true
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  Speaker 2: and you're angry about it because you know that you're
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  Speaker 2: that person that they're talking about, or this is that
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  Speaker 2: whole alpha level of connection of like, well, you know,
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  Speaker 2: bears and only men can be really fighting. Like I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if that revenant has any kind of like
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  Speaker 2: thought process, you know, Like in my mind, I'm trying
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  Speaker 2: to really rationalize why they are so angry and why
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  Speaker 2: they feel the need to like no, you're wrong, No
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  Speaker 2: you're wrong to a hypothetical question that really is just
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  Speaker 2: about society, right, Like I'm thinking, is this somehow challenging
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  Speaker 2: men that men say. If men say I'm afraid of
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  Speaker 2: a bear and a woman says I would rather be
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  Speaker 2: around a bear, and somehow challenges their masculinity somehow. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like I'm trying to go down that route. I think
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to sit quietly for that, and I
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  Speaker 2: don't have the patience. Maybe I really do have brain rot.
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  Speaker 4: To go down that road.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, this came back to me thinking about the
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  Speaker 2: statistics that we all know and we haven't checked up
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  Speaker 2: on recently because I feel like things are getting worse.
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  Speaker 4: But of course we know that the statistics are going higher.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently to the ed app dot com they talked about
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  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three, there's a sexual assault occurs every
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  Speaker 2: ninety three seconds in the United States. I think that's
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  Speaker 2: about the same number as it has been. We know
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  Speaker 2: that in twenty twenty three, eighty one percent of women
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  Speaker 2: have a face sexual harassment in their life. Forty three
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  Speaker 2: percent of men have a face sexual harassment in their life.
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  Speaker 2: We also know that a majority of them don't report,
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  Speaker 2: especially in workplaces, and the few that have reported now
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  Speaker 2: maybe fifteen percent have something some kind of consequence. Weinstein
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  Speaker 2: his case just got overturned.
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  Speaker 1: In New York.
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  Speaker 2: I will say Annie, I verbally like I outright cursed
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  Speaker 2: at my phone and like threw it because I am
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  Speaker 2: so damn angry. Of course, apparently this is going to
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  Speaker 2: a new retrial, and the California cases are still in place,
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  Speaker 2: and so he's still locked up for like the twelve years,
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  Speaker 2: sixteen years, so he's still in jail. He's still locked up.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the good news in this. But the level
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  Speaker 2: of anger I have about that, I feel like that
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  Speaker 2: is the new all men. You know how women will respond, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: not all men, but all men is now the and
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  Speaker 2: the bears. I would rather be with bears. That's the
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  Speaker 2: new response to this. And that's kind of that same level.
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  Speaker 2: There has an alarmingly high uptick of family annihilation cases recently,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm actually going to come back. We're actually going
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  Speaker 2: to come back and do an episode about this because
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  Speaker 2: I've very deeply disturbed by what is happening with this.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe it's because social media is highlighting a lot more,
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  Speaker 2: but I did look it up and in the last
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  Speaker 2: two years it has says there there is an uptick
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  Speaker 2: of men killing off their entire family for quote unquote
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  Speaker 2: either domestic violence, reasons, rejection reasons, whatever, like so many reasons,
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  Speaker 2: and I want to come and visit that there might.
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  Speaker 4: Be in no answers.
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  Speaker 2: It may be the same conversation we had when we
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  Speaker 2: talked about true crime because we didn't build a few statistics
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  Speaker 2: in there. But also we also know that there's been
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  Speaker 2: an uptick of women killing their children as well in themselves.
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  Speaker 2: So it's it's I'm very interested in what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: I do want to just have this conversation, but things
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  Speaker 2: like this is what it's like, the bear versus man.
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  Speaker 2: There's statistics of transgender and queer assaults have always been
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  Speaker 2: pretty high.
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  Speaker 4: We know this.
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  Speaker 2: We know that at least forty seven percent of transgender
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  Speaker 2: people have faced some kind of sexual assault. Forty six
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  Speaker 2: percent of bisexual women have dealt with a sexual assault.
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  Speaker 2: We know that people who are disabled have been at
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  Speaker 2: risk seven times more than any other group of people
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  Speaker 2: for sexual assault and harassment. And then we talked about
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  Speaker 2: the fact that the lifetime cost of each survivor of
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  Speaker 2: rape is around over about one hundred and twenty two
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars one hundred and twenty two to one hundred
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  Speaker 2: and twenty three thousand dollars in their lifetime, and the
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  Speaker 2: fact that there's no compensation for that, or rarely any
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  Speaker 2: compensation for that.
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  Speaker 4: Hurts hurts a lot.
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  Speaker 2: And when I was looking up all this conversation, I
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  Speaker 2: did try to see if there was anything in the
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  Speaker 2: news or anybody was talking about it outside of TikTok
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  Speaker 2: or any viral conversations. And we have one columnists from
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  Speaker 2: iNews dot co dot uk.
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  Speaker 4: Her name is Kate.
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  Speaker 2: Lister, and she had some thoughts about it, and I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to read a little bit from her article. She
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  Speaker 2: talks about the statistics of why maybe women are saying bears,
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  Speaker 2: and so she says, let's start with the bears. Bear
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  Speaker 2: attacks are highly sensationalized but rare. According to research published
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  Speaker 2: in the Nature Journal, there are around forty brown bear
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  Speaker 2: attacks on humans worldwide each year, and most of these
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  Speaker 2: are when the bear feels threatened. Of these forty attacks,
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  Speaker 2: fourteen point three percent were fatal. So I'm like, that's
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  Speaker 2: just significantly low, anybody, Okay. Between eighteen seventy and twenty fourteen,
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  Speaker 2: there were seventy three attacks worldwide on humans by wild
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  Speaker 2: polar bears, twenty of which were fatal. And that's the
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  Speaker 2: one bear that I hear people talking about being like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: they're the most dangerous the polar bears.
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  Speaker 4: So there's that.
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  Speaker 2: Black bears attack and kill around one human per year
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  Speaker 2: in America, and because of humans in crouching on their territories,
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  Speaker 2: black bear attacks are on the rise in Japan.
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  Speaker 4: In crouching on the territories.
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  Speaker 2: Bears generally leave humans alone and will alter their behavior
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  Speaker 2: to avoid us where possible. In fact, we pose far
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  Speaker 2: greater danger to them than other way around. According to
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  Speaker 2: Western Wildlife Outreach, fifty thousand black bears are legally hunted
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  Speaker 2: in North America each year alone, while over eight hundred
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  Speaker 2: polar bears are killed by humans every year. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if anyone is asking the bears who they would
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  Speaker 2: rather be stuck in the force with, but I'm pretty
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  Speaker 2: sure they wouldn't choose the man either. So I was like, yeah, absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: as in fact, I saw an acquaintance of mine go
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  Speaker 2: go legally hunt black bears in North Carolina and.
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  Speaker 4: It goes on.
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  Speaker 2: Now for the men, male violence against women is incredibly
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  Speaker 2: common and not sense sectional line nearly enough. On average,
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  Speaker 2: two women per week are murdered by their partner or
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  Speaker 2: ex partner. In the UK, according to the UN, fifty
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  Speaker 2: five percent of all female homicide worldwide are committed by
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  Speaker 2: intimate partners or other family members, at a rate of
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  Speaker 2: five deaths every single hour. Their research also found that
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  Speaker 2: most violence against women is perpetrated by current or former
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  Speaker 2: husbands or intimate partners. More than six hundred and forty million,
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  Speaker 2: or twenty six percent of women aged fifteen and older,
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  Speaker 2: have been subjected to intimate partner violence. I feel like
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  Speaker 2: that should be enough set this whole level. And I
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  Speaker 2: will say this, the few encounters because I live in
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  Speaker 2: the mountains of North Georgia that I've had of bears,
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  Speaker 2: they are just as scared of me as I was
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  Speaker 2: of them, and me yelling at them was enough for
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  Speaker 2: them to run away. As where if we were yelling
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  Speaker 2: at men. Hmm, guarantee that same situation would not happen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true, because I feel like it's completely accurate
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  Speaker 3: that the bear attack is so sensationalized. And I do
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  Speaker 3: think you're onto something with the because I feel like,
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  Speaker 3: for kind of the hunter type men, the bear is
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  Speaker 3: like your top predator and so for people to say, okay,
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  Speaker 3: I'd rather be with the bear. It makes complete sense
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  Speaker 3: to me that men would be like, well, actually bears
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  Speaker 3: are really really dangerous, well like totally missing the point.
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  Speaker 3: Whereas a lot of I would say, largely women answering this,
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  Speaker 3: who said the bear I actually reasoned out as you said,
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  Speaker 3: Like they asked questions like okay, no, the bear, so
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  Speaker 3: they kind of like really thinking it through and knowing
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  Speaker 3: these dangers, whereas it seems the men just went right
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  Speaker 3: to ignore why they would say that you're wrong because
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  Speaker 3: I know about bears, right, I mean, it.
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  Speaker 2: Really feels like an office episode, yes about the black bear,
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  Speaker 2: right to the point that you just sit there and
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  Speaker 2: go literally one one, one person a year, like I
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  Speaker 2: think at one point, someone else's statistics of like fifteen
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  Speaker 2: people at most of in a year, and then the
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  Speaker 2: amount of women that have died at the hands of
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  Speaker 2: their partner is literally spaced out in a single day
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  Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, it's like the amount of statistics and
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  Speaker 2: the fact that men are so threatened by this question
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  Speaker 2: yeah to the again like I don't know why this
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  Speaker 2: is a go to for so many insecure men, is yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and then ask them for help for what.
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  Speaker 4: Help from other men?
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  Speaker 3: It's a very It's like a very dismissive thing too,
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  Speaker 3: because it's like essentially trying to dismiss why women would
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  Speaker 3: say that, as in, you can't handle you don't know fear,
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  Speaker 3: you don't know bears, right, But I wonder how much
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  Speaker 3: of it is like they feel threatened to by Well,
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  Speaker 3: if you're living with the fear of the bear every day,
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  Speaker 3: then you must.
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  Speaker 1: Be stronger than I thought.
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  Speaker 5: Ladies, here's a statistic, and I I just needed to know.
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  Speaker 4: I needed to know.
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  Speaker 2: More men have been killed by ibears and women and
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  Speaker 2: I just because like, so here's one, and I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how outdated.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, this is twenty sixteen.
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  Speaker 2: So this is a Vox article in twenty sixteen about
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  Speaker 2: attacks involving grizzly bears and occurring during summer. And it's
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  Speaker 2: among fatal bear attack victims. They average age was thirty seven.
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  Speaker 2: Of these victims, twenty one were female and fifty were male.
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  Speaker 2: And it happened in deep backcountries with hobbies dominated by men.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't because it's there in their space. So
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  Speaker 2: that's a whole different conversation. But I did wonder, like,
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  Speaker 2: in like campy situations, whether like who are the ones
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  Speaker 2: going to antagonize the bear versus who are not. I
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  Speaker 2: did see a video also of this group of people
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  Speaker 2: and there were several young women getting a cub out
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  Speaker 2: of the tree that they just wanted to cuddle, and
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  Speaker 2: they're like, that is illegal.
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  Speaker 1: That's dangerous, that is dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: I think people were in so upset and I'm like, yeah, right, Li,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: so lee the bears alone, dude, let them be. Yeah,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: when they come into our Twitter territory and go go off.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: They have had some cocaine apparently that could be a thing.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Can be.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: That's also pretty rare, but can be.
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  Speaker 4: I had to throw that in for a reference.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Sound that disheartening, Uh, that this is that deep of
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: a conversation, and that the fallout as men being upset
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: and I think there are some human.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: Some girls and you're like, oh, that's not true. I wouldn't.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't pick a bear because then they like result too,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Like I would definitely pick.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: Ryan Gosling over a bear. Who wouldn't Just kidding.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Well, again, that's when you ask the questions. But when
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: it's like just some random man.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: It's a strange person I have never met, and it's
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: just a dude that's just chilling and they're staring at me,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: and I see it like, if I see a bear
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: and a man in the same distance, I'm not going
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: towards either one of them.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: To back out.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm saying from both of you, but if you're
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: telling me where in the woods and like, yeah, I
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: would rather like be able to play dead with a
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: bear hopefully, versus trying to run from a man m
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: hm and hide.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: I've seen those horror movies.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Me too, you know I have. Yeah. Once I I
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: was hiking.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Alone and I was in a very remote place and
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: it was in North Georgia, and I saw a bear
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: and I was nervous, but I just it's like, okay,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: just same, keep going. Then I saw a man and
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: he was just standing there in a very awkward pose
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: and he was stuck still and you just like watched
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: me go by, and I was more scared of him,
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: for sure. It rattled me. Like the bear. I was like, okay,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna like try to move on and be
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: cool and.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: Not don't panic, don't look at it.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Just just go. And then after I couldn't see it,
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: I couldn't hear it. I was like, okay, I'm good.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: But that man was I was like, I could be
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: so far from him and he could shoot me.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know what he was doing, but he
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: was just it was creepy.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Right, No, that's absolutely like, and when you hear a
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: rustling in the woods, I'm more scared that it's going
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: to be a man giant watching me, or or a
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: wild boars the mountains. They're pretty faster, they'll get you.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Well, I think that's the thing though, was like, I am,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: I don't want to mess with bears. Bears scary, right,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: But I also I think that's kind of the point
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: is that if that's true, Yeah, then if the man
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: is scarier the random man.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Right, And again a lot of them are like, yeah,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: I could die either way, but I would rather be
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: killed by a bear versus a man.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that scenario.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: That's that conversation, like what's going to happen, I mean,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: and as what's happened in Wisconsin, which I believe Shade
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Robinson met a dude on tender and he dismembered her
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: and killed her with initial me and there's a conversation
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: about the fact that he may have killed other black
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: women and no one's caring, no one, no one until
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: like it came out like in a bigger conversation, no
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: one really said much, and it's not a very hyped case,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: and like those are the situations like yeah, she took
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: a chance on meeting a dude in public, I belief
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: and died, and that we know more and more and
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: more of those cases, and it's kind of like we
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: this is that conversation that we're having of like what
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: did a poor woman? And if you've listened to true
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: crimes and so many things where they're like, you know,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: like people are women are petrified. I you know, marginalized
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: people are super petrified about what's out there and who's
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: going to get them. And it's more often that they're
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: more afraid of a human being than of all the
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: creatures out there, except for the deep sea. Like if
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: I go into deep sea, then maybe I'll be more scared.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Deep sea is scary, so scary.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that was an important conversation and
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: I'm I hate that this is a constant turnaround conversation
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: that I'm like wow, wow, like you just you refuse
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: to get it.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because I do feel that so many times
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: and most of my male friends have been very cool
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: about it, but you've just mentioned something and they'll be
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: like what really, Like, yep, that's just my existence. And
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: I feel like so many of these things just showcase
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: over and over again that.
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: We are.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: We're here living in different worlds. We've got a long
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: ready to go.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: And then the amount of men who are getting boosted
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: because they just said, oh yeah bear because they quote
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: unquote get it. But this is minimum, this is this
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: is a minimum. Yeah, but I get while we're celebrating
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: because this minimum is really high compared to the rest
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: of the average here.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's unfortunate because, like you said, it's also Yeah,
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: when a bear attack happens, you hear so much about it.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: But every day to every day inundated with violence against women, it's.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: Like, okay, yeah, women start wearing these clothings. Thanks, don't
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: go out alone?
• 25:52
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• 25:59
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• 26:01
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• 26:04
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