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Joe Rogan Experience _2013 - Paul Rosolie(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Hey, Marshall.
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  Speaker 2: Come here, buddy.
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  Speaker 3: This is one of the rare times that Marshall's been
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  Speaker 3: in studio during a show.
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  Speaker 2: Come here, brother. Say hi to everybody. He's the best.
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  Speaker 3: He is the best. They're the best dogs. They're, like,
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  Speaker 3: universally sweet dogs.
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  Speaker 2: They're such sweethearts. I love that, like, my dogs, I
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  Speaker 2: can literally take a piece of meat out of their mouth,
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  Speaker 2: and they'll be like, is something better coming? Like, they're
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  Speaker 2: just so friendly. Yeah, there's no, like, worry about protecting
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  Speaker 2: themselves or survival.
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  Speaker 3: My friend calls them love sponges. It's the best way
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  Speaker 3: to describe them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're perfect creations.
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  Speaker 3: Hang out with us.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to be in here. So.
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  Speaker 3: Dude, first of all, I'm in your book right now.
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  Speaker 3: I just started it. It's insane. How the fuck did
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  Speaker 3: you even get the idea to do what you did?
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  Speaker 3: How does this take me through the first seeds of
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  Speaker 3: the thoughts that had you go to the Amazon?
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  Speaker 2: When I was a kid, I remember very far back.
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  Speaker 2: I remember being a kid and going to the Bronx
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  Speaker 2: Zoo and looking. They had an exhibit, I think it
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  Speaker 2: was in like the House of Reptiles, where there's all
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  Speaker 2: these scientists and they're holding like a giant snake and
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  Speaker 2: they're doing research and they're protecting these places. And so
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  Speaker 2: I always had it in my head that like, I
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  Speaker 2: want to see these places before they're gone. I grew
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  Speaker 2: up with a lot of like environmental stress. I really
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  Speaker 2: felt like this message of like, we're losing the rainforest,
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  Speaker 2: we're losing elephants.
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  Speaker 3: I was like.
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  Speaker 2: How did you develop that feeling? I don't know. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: my parents would, you know, read me Jane Goodall's books
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  Speaker 2: as a kid. And again, things like the Bronx Zoo,
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  Speaker 2: Steve Irwin. You know, and I loved, I grew up,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and having access to like New York and
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  Speaker 2: New Jersey. I mean, there's such incredible forests there.
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  Speaker 3: The New York, New Jersey forest thing. Like, people, for
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  Speaker 3: whatever reason, don't live around there. They think New Jersey is, like,
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  Speaker 3: some vast wasteland. Like, New Jersey is, like, more bears
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  Speaker 3: per capita than anywhere else in the country.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's wild out there. Amazing forest there.
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  Speaker 2: I grew up, like, you know, and then, like, by, like,
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  Speaker 2: 13 years old, I was, like, you know, I had, like,
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  Speaker 2: a hunting knife and I would do one match and
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  Speaker 2: I'd bring my golden retriever into the woods and we'd do, like,
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  Speaker 2: a mini solo, two nights, you know, and I have
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  Speaker 2: to make a fire with that one match. And it's, like,
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  Speaker 2: I was always doing shit like this, like.
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  Speaker 3: So you always had like a call to that kind
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  Speaker 3: of life.
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  Speaker 2: I always just rivers, streams, forests, tracking bears, trying to
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  Speaker 2: figure out where the, where the fox's hole is. Like
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  Speaker 2: I liked spending time with animals in nature. And then like,
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  Speaker 2: it just drove me crazy that no matter how deep
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  Speaker 2: I would go, you know, in Eastern forests, you always
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  Speaker 2: like come out the other side. And I always was
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  Speaker 2: just like, I want to find somewhere where it's like
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  Speaker 2: truly wild, like where there's no limit to it. Like what's,
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  Speaker 2: what's the max, what's the highest you can turn this thing.
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  Speaker 2: And I was terrible in school, failed all my classes,
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  Speaker 2: severely dyslexic, all that. And so I actually my wonderful
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  Speaker 2: parents were like, you do know that you can take
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  Speaker 2: a GED, skip the last two years of high school
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  Speaker 2: and go straight to college. And I was like, I
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  Speaker 2: did not know that. So I did that. And then
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  Speaker 2: as I was doing that, I just said, you know what?
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I'm going to go to the Amazon rainforest.
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  Speaker 2: I had a professor that showed me a piece of
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  Speaker 2: wood and he made a joke like, oh, this is
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  Speaker 2: probably like teak from the Amazon. And like, I was like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I got to get down there before it's too late.
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  Speaker 3: That's what it was.
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  Speaker 2: That is what it was. I got to get down
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  Speaker 2: there before it's too late.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's like they're telling you that there's Jurassic Park.
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  Speaker 2: There's literally anaconda dragons in these monster swamps. And there's
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  Speaker 2: harpy eagles taking howler monkeys. And there's all this incredible
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  Speaker 2: bustling life. And it's all vanishing. And I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I want to see it before it's gone. The greatest
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  Speaker 2: show on earth.
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  Speaker 3: And so how much of an understanding did you have
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  Speaker 3: about the Amazon, about how to get around?
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  Speaker 2: It seems like you just kind of just dove in.
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  Speaker 2: I did dive in. I found the most remote research
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  Speaker 2: station I could find. And of course, nobody wants to
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  Speaker 2: take it like a 17-year-old kid from Brooklyn, from New Jersey,
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  Speaker 2: and put them in the rainforest. I had no qualifications.
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  Speaker 2: But I went with people that were doing research on macaws.
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  Speaker 2: And I was out there for weeks at a time.
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  Speaker 2: But the luck was that I met this guy named J.J.
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  Speaker 2: Juan Julio Duran, local Eceja Indian, grew up in the
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  Speaker 2: forest barefoot, and the dude has... libraries of information in
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  Speaker 2: his brain, medicinal plants, how to track animals, places in
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  Speaker 2: the forest that nobody knows about. And then he just started,
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  Speaker 2: he was just like, you're funny. You really love this shit.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, let's go out all night. We don't come
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  Speaker 2: back until we find three snakes. He was terrified of snakes.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, let's go find three snakes. Cause he was like, why, why,
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  Speaker 2: why does this gringo keep catching snakes? He's like, what
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  Speaker 2: the hell is the matter with you? And so he
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  Speaker 2: was teaching me everything. And then I was just like, look, dude,
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  Speaker 2: this is how you figure this. Like, this is how
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  Speaker 2: you do snakes. This is how you figure out if
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  Speaker 2: they're venomous. This is how you handle a snake. I
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  Speaker 2: could teach him one thing. He taught me the entire
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  Speaker 2: Amazon rainforest.
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  Speaker 3: So he didn't know. I mean, he must have known
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  Speaker 3: like what venomous snakes there were, right?
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  Speaker 2: No, because what they'll do is they'll be like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: that red one, it's venomous. They chop it in half.
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  Speaker 2: That's not how you identify a snake. That's like saying
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  Speaker 2: like every, you know, it's like identifying cars by color.
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  Speaker 2: Like it doesn't make any sense. Okay. Right. It's with snakes.
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  Speaker 2: You can have like, for example, like an Amazon tree boa.
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  Speaker 2: You can have one mother giving birth to like a
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  Speaker 2: rainbow of babies. There'll be like gray ones, green ones,
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  Speaker 2: yellow ones, like all these different morphs. And so people
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  Speaker 2: will be like, oh, those are those red ones. They'll
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  Speaker 2: get you. Those are coral snakes. Like, no, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I just it's it's a constant battle with the locals.
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  Speaker 2: I'm always like, do you think this is venomous or not?
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  Speaker 2: And they're like, hmm. And I'm like, would I be
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  Speaker 2: holding it if it was venomous?
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  Speaker 3: That's crazy that they don't know. But I guess it's
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  Speaker 3: like safer to assume that they're all venomous or anything
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  Speaker 3: bright colored is venomous.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And again, the jungle is a place where there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of stories. And so like you always hear
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  Speaker 2: stories about like who got bitten by a snake and
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  Speaker 2: this happened, who got, you know. And so like they
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  Speaker 2: have the snake Loro Machaco, which is they know it's
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  Speaker 2: a green snake. That's all that like the average logger
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  Speaker 2: or the average gold miner knows. I was just like
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  Speaker 2: literally two weeks ago, I was out in the jungle
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  Speaker 2: and I was out and it was raining and there
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  Speaker 2: was a Loro Machaco next to my head with flicking
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  Speaker 2: its tongue next to my head. And I was like, oh, cool.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I got to bring this back and
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  Speaker 2: show them. So I very carefully caught this viper and
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  Speaker 2: brought it back. And they were like, that's not it.
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  Speaker 2: That's the boa. And I was like, oh God, that's like,
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  Speaker 2: I can't help you people. I was like, I'm literally
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  Speaker 2: showing it to you. But the rule is just kill
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  Speaker 2: every snake. And so I've always been like this, like
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  Speaker 2: ambassador for snakes, trying to get people to be like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you have black snakes and gopher snakes and
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  Speaker 2: garter snakes. And You show them to kids. Snakes are wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: I love snakes. They're a part of the whole ecosystem.
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  Speaker 2: They are.
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  Speaker 3: Especially in something as complex as the Amazon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, when I lived in the Hollywood Hills,
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  Speaker 3: people would always complain about coyotes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'd say, yeah, yeah, yeah, but how many rats
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  Speaker 2: do you see? Yeah. You don't see a lot of rats.
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  Speaker 2: There's a reason for that. The coyotes are the cleanup system. Yeah. Later,
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  Speaker 2: I got to show you the video I took. Yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: the day before yesterday, a coyote walking through my front yard.
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  Speaker 3: In New York.
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  Speaker 2: In the middle of the day.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're everywhere now.
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  Speaker 2: They're everywhere. It's wild. Big one. Have you ever read
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  Speaker 2: Coyote America?
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  Speaker 3: No. It's a really good book by this guy, Dan Flores.
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  Speaker 3: He's been on the podcast a couple of times. He
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  Speaker 3: was my friend Steve's professor in college. And he stayed
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  Speaker 3: in touch with this guy. And he's a wildlife historian.
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  Speaker 3: And he wrote a book about coyotes. And the story
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  Speaker 3: is insane. Like coyotes, they're originally persecuted by the gray wolves.
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  Speaker 3: The gray wolves were extirpated and killed off by the
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  Speaker 3: people that settled. And then coyotes, when they were prosecuted,
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  Speaker 3: what they would do is expand their range. So they're
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  Speaker 3: in every single city in every state now. And that's
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  Speaker 3: only over the last few decades.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the fact, I mean, I think in a
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  Speaker 2: lot of places you can hunt a coyote like daytime, nighttime.
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  Speaker 3: Anytime.
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  Speaker 2: Anytime. With like any method.
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  Speaker 3: The thing is, it does the opposite of what it's
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  Speaker 3: intended to do. Because when you kill a coyote, then
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  Speaker 3: the females, when they do roll call, they realize a
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  Speaker 3: coyote is missing and they have more pups.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. It's a wild animal. No, it's a really,
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  Speaker 2: it's a really amazing animal.
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  Speaker 3: They're so clever too.
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  Speaker 2: No, they're crazy. This one comes trotting across my front
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  Speaker 2: yard every day. And it's like, I went, I opened
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  Speaker 2: my front door and I went, woo. And he just
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  Speaker 2: stopped and looked at me. And I just like took
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  Speaker 2: a picture on my phone. Wow. Yeah, it was crazy.
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  Speaker 2: New York City, coyotes. It's an amazing animal.
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  Speaker 3: So when you went down there, what kind of gear
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  Speaker 3: did you bring? How prepared were you for this?
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  Speaker 2: Completely unprepared.
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  Speaker 3: Shoestring budget?
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  Speaker 2: Shoestring budget, yeah. A student dropped out of high school,
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  Speaker 2: saved up money from working at the YMCA. I went
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  Speaker 2: down there wearing jeans and a t-shirt.
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  Speaker 3: Did you plan on trying to find some sort of
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  Speaker 3: a job? What were you going to do for food
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  Speaker 3: and food?
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  Speaker 2: No. So this was the thing. I went down there
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  Speaker 2: as a, as a, as a volunteer just to experience it,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like, and then, and then basically as I
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  Speaker 2: became friends with JJ, it was like, he was like,
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  Speaker 2: could you, could you come back? He's like, you have
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  Speaker 2: access to like gringos and people that travel. He's like,
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  Speaker 2: bring us tourists. He's like, we're trying to protect this
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  Speaker 2: river like now while it's still completely pristine. And at
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  Speaker 2: the time I was like, well, that's, that's, that sounds great.
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  Speaker 2: So I started bringing people, we started Tamandu expeditions. And
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  Speaker 2: so it was like, small time just bringing some tourists
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  Speaker 2: to the jungle showing them around taking them on night
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  Speaker 2: walks doing stuff like that um but it it it
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  Speaker 2: was a very much like there wasn't a plan i
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  Speaker 2: knew what i loved i didn't have a plan i
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  Speaker 2: wasn't like i'm gonna be a jungle keeper like i
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  Speaker 2: just went down there was like this is amazing and
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  Speaker 2: i want more of it and then you know at
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  Speaker 2: that age people are like you know what are you
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  Speaker 2: gonna do for a job and i was like i
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  Speaker 2: don't know but i'm going back to the jungle like
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  Speaker 2: and then it was as you know then as we
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  Speaker 2: saw more of the forest getting destroyed as The Trans-Amazon
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  Speaker 2: Highway cuts straight across the Amazon rainforest. You can drive
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  Speaker 2: from like Rio all the way to Lima. And so
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  Speaker 2: for the first time in history, they opened up a
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  Speaker 2: land trade route through the heart of the Amazon rainforest.
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  Speaker 2: And the final segment of the Trans-Amazon Highway was over
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  Speaker 2: the Madre de Dios River. which is right where we work.
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  Speaker 2: And so we saw the amount of cars in our
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  Speaker 2: region go from like 400 a day to like 800
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  Speaker 2: a day to 2000 a day. And all of a
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  Speaker 2: sudden these offshoot roads and all of a sudden the
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  Speaker 2: burning and all of a sudden places that used to
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  Speaker 2: be pristine and wild, all of a sudden we're seeing
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  Speaker 2: this horrific burning. ancient trees cut down, entire ecosystems wiped out.
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  Speaker 2: And so then at that point, I'm going, okay, it's
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  Speaker 2: not a joke anymore. Someone's got to do something about this.
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  Speaker 2: And then you look and you realize you're in the
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  Speaker 2: middle of the Amazon rainforest. There is no one. There's
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  Speaker 2: no help coming. These ecosystems are going to be bulldozed
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  Speaker 2: if nobody does anything.
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  Speaker 3: So what regulations, if any, Obviously, there's people that are
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  Speaker 3: going to violate those. But are there regulations that are
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  Speaker 3: designed to protect those areas? Is there some sort of
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  Speaker 3: a process that someone has to go through before they
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  Speaker 3: start cutting logs?
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  Speaker 2: The thing is, there's national parks, there's protected areas, there's
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  Speaker 2: indigenous reserves. I mean, we're in the country of Peru,
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  Speaker 2: and there's a lot of protected land. Peru has done
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  Speaker 2: an amazing job of protecting... A lot of it's rainforest.
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  Speaker 2: They have the most crucial part of the Amazon because
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  Speaker 2: it's the western Amazon. It's where the Andes Mountains, the
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  Speaker 2: cloud forests into the lowland Amazon. The most mega biodiverse
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  Speaker 2: terrestrial habitat that's ever existed. They've done a great job
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  Speaker 2: of protecting it, but there's still millions of acres that
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  Speaker 2: are just jungle. And you're at the edge of human
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  Speaker 2: presence on our planet. So you're talking about like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: so you have a little city and you have the
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  Speaker 2: police and you have the forestry department, you have whatever else.
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  Speaker 2: The things around the city they can deal with, but
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  Speaker 2: if you tell them that two days up river way
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  Speaker 2: out there there's somebody cutting some forest that technically shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: be cut they don't care they're not going to put
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  Speaker 2: resources towards going out they're not they're not going to
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  Speaker 2: risk getting shot they're not going to risk getting you
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  Speaker 2: know bitten by a bush master while they travel out
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  Speaker 2: into the jungle there's just not on anybody's radar.
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  Speaker 3: So unless it's near them unless it's in their jurisdiction
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  Speaker 3: nobody does anything.
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  Speaker 2: And as we've as we found out now, even when
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  Speaker 2: it is in their jurisdiction, half the forestry department just
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  Speaker 2: got arrested in Peru for actually helping the loggers. They
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  Speaker 2: had sort of like infiltrated. Yeah. And then, of course,
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  Speaker 2: down there, you still have uncontacted tribes and you have
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  Speaker 2: places where there's giant anacondas and you have different territorial reserves.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like it's such a weird landscape that the
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  Speaker 2: idea of like enforcement, like when we've had problems, when
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  Speaker 2: we've had issues where we have to bring law enforcement
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  Speaker 2: out there. we have to bring them out there. Like
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  Speaker 2: we have to get the boat, the gasoline, the food,
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  Speaker 2: provide them with, you know, it's like, we have to
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  Speaker 2: like basically take them on a tourist trip out into
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  Speaker 2: the jungle and then be like, now go do police work.
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  Speaker 2: It's very difficult. And so like when we, when you
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  Speaker 2: hear this stuff, you know, like, which like, again, what
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  Speaker 2: we actually, we have to have to, eventually we have
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  Speaker 2: to tell, we have to tell the people this story, um,
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  Speaker 2: how we got here. How did, like, what made you
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  Speaker 2: reach out to me when you did?
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  Speaker 3: Well, um, I had seen a clip of yours that
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  Speaker 3: we talked about.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: What was the clip?
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, that was the, that was the 2019 clip.
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  Speaker 2: That was when the, the Amazon fires went mega viral.
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  Speaker 2: And excuse me, I, I threw up a video of
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  Speaker 2: me in the fires, just like screaming and crying and
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  Speaker 2: being like, this is happening every fucking day and screaming.
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  Speaker 2: And it went viral. It went viral. And at that
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  Speaker 2: time we had created jungle keepers and we had tried
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  Speaker 2: to protect. So we had a little bit of rainforest
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  Speaker 2: we were protecting. I think we had like one or
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  Speaker 2: two rangers. And then you shared it on your Instagram.
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  Speaker 2: And then it hit this level. It like went to
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  Speaker 2: the next level of virality. I remember it because my
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  Speaker 2: cousin Michael called me and he was just like, Joe
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  Speaker 2: Rogan just shared it. And I was like, that's not,
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  Speaker 2: there's no way that happened. And he's like, no, it did.
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  Speaker 2: And the amount of attention that we got from that
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  Speaker 2: led to, Eventually, people reaching out. This guy, Dax De Silva,
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  Speaker 2: reached out. And he was like, hey, listen. You guys
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  Speaker 2: every year with the burning forest and the loss of habitat.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, I want to help. What can we do?
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  Speaker 2: What do you need to make this work? How do
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  Speaker 2: we save this ring? There it is. That's the clip.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the fucking Anthropocene. Jesus. And what puts those
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  Speaker 2: fires out? Do people actively try to put those fires out,
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: or do they just wait until it rains? No, the
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: people start them. That's the funny thing. I'm not going
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: to be able to stay here long because this fire
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: is spreading, but everything behind me right now is the
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: forest that I've been working.
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: To protect for the last 13 years. It's burning like
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: this every day. There are literally millions of animals in
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: this forest that cannot escape right now. And if you
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: think our planet can survive this every day in the Amazon,
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: you have another thing coming. We have all the resources
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: to protect this, to stop what's happening behind me right now.
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: And people let it happen every day. Welcome to the
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: fucking Anthropocene.
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: So when they're starting these fires to make clear cuts
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: so they can raise cattle, like what are they doing?
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's, it's, it's basically their space. So we're going
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: to use it. And so like ideally a person, if
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: they wanted to use that forest, you could harvest the
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: ancient hardwoods there and make millions off of it. You
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: could use that forest to do like multi-tiered agriculture where
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: you're producing tons of produce. These are people that are
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: coming in. They're just clear cutting the forest. They're planting
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: like cacao, papaya, grass for cows. Like it's, it's literally
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: burning down your house to, to cook a meal.
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: And who owns that land?
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. A lot of it is indigenous land.
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: A lot of it is the, they call it like
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: Brazil nut concessions, where it's just like areas where like
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: you're supposed to be harvesting Brazil nuts, but a lot
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: of times it is private land, but people there, there's
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: people coming from other parts of South America and they're
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: just coming in and they're clearing these areas and it's
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: happening fast.
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: And no one is there to protect. There's not enough
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: resources to keep an eye on. It's just the vastness
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: of it all.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: There's a, there's a vacuum in conservation. There's a problem
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: with conservation. No one's going to pay you to go protect,
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: to go out into the wildest places on earth and
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: protect these things. Like for the most part, it's very difficult.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: You can go get a job as a conservation biologist.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: You can go, study things academically, but to go and
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: actively do the work of protecting a rainforest or protecting
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: a marine area that's sensitive, that's crucial to species, it's
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: very difficult. And so that's why that whole story was
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: so important was because I was, you know, by that point,
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: I was like 14 years into doing this with no support,
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: no funding, no backing, no nothing. It was just me
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: and the local guys, machetes and bare feet. And then
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: after that video went viral, after you shared it, We
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: got contacted by Dax, and then he basically was like, look,
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: he started a company called Lightspeed, and then he transitioned
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: into conservation. And so now he's helping the Sea Shepherd,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: and he's helping the Nature Conservancy in Canada, and Jungle
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Keepers was his first project. And all of a sudden,
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: we could actually do it. And so now these local
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: people who used to be loggers and gold miners, we
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: were like, yo, do you want a job protecting this forest?
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: And so guys had been cutting wood for the last
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: 15 years. Guys had been fighting the uncontacted tribes. All
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: of a sudden we were like, do you want to
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: just like, you know, help us patrol, just protect it,
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: do nothing. And they're like, do nothing. And we get
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: paid and benefits. And it's, and it's a huge success.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Like we were protecting 50,000 acres now, millions and millions
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: of heartbeats in there. Like spider monkeys, troops of giant
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: river otters, jaguars, harpy eagles. I mean, just more biodiversity
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: than you could list. And we need to protect 300,000.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: I need to protect 300,000 acres in the next year
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: because now There's like Chinese machinery coming in where they're
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: coming in with those giant earth moving things that like
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: take out the trees. And so it's just like this
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: race against time because we have this incredible treasure trove
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: of biological, incredible wealth. Medicine's running through every one of
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: these things. I mean, you go out with the local
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: people and if you have something wrong with you, there's
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: a sap for that. They can cure an ear infection.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: They can cure whatever it is. If they want to
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: go fishing in the stream, they have barbasco. They have
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: a root that they can crush. Throw it in the stream.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: It'll stun the fish. You take the ones you want.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: You take it out, and the other fish will swim away.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: It's like they have a pharmacy that we don't have
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: access to.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that fish thing is wild. My friend Rinella did that.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah. How do you say the guy's name from Guyana? Yanomami? Yeah,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: the Yanomami. Yeah, he went with them, and they did
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: that thing with the fish.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Grind up the plants and they throw it in the
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: water and the fish just get conked out.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: It's pretty wild.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: It's like magic. Yeah. It's like magic. It's like a
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: cheat code in the video game. So this is a
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: dangerous proposition, right?
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Because clearly the people that are moving into these areas, they're,
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: they want to burn things down and grow things. And
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: someone who gets in the way of this is getting
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: the way of their financial success.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. In, in the case of gold mining, um, There's
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: a picture in there, Jamie. I think it just says
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: gold mining. I went down there with Matt Gutman and
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: we did a thing where we got into the gold
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: mining areas where that's a whole other thing where they're
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: clear cutting the rainforest for gold mining. That's like this.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: That's the Western Amazon. Wow.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: So they just gutted it.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: There is a sandstorm behind me in that picture and
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: they are, that's the Amazon rainforest. And there's a desert
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: there now. Wow. You can see it from space. Wow.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, you go there, there's like sort of
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: this machine gun limit where, you know, you drive towards
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: this area and then they have guards. And inside there,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: they have these, see, there's that big hose going out.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: They have to cut the forest, burn the forest, suck
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: up the land, and then the gold comes in the
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: sediment in the sand. And so they have to use
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: mercury to bind the gold out of the sand and
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: then they burn that off, which then is going into
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: the atmosphere and raining back down. I mean, this is like,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: this is, is horrendous. And the police can't stop it
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: because you have to go in there with, like, the military.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: The police will just get killed if they go over there.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, we got in there this one day with
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: some Russian gold miners. It was very strange and actually.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: You got in there to investigate?
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: We got in there to... We went in there with
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Matt Gutman's crew and we actually... we actually filmed in
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: the gold mining areas, which no one does. And while
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: we were in there, one of the Russian gold miners
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: was like, Hey man, listen, he goes, you're that guy
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: with the Instagram, right? And I was like, what the
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: fuck are you talking about? And he goes, you see
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: those guys over there? And I was like, yeah. And
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: he goes, they just said your name. And I was like, Oh,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: and then, uh, yeah, like a week later, those guys
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: pulled up and it was annoying. Cause the guy like
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: acted like he had a gun, but he didn't show me.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: And he was like, Hey, no more posts about gold mining.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: And I was like, the, the gold miners follow me
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: on social media. Like, are you fucking serious? Like, but no, that,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: that area is dangerous.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Our Lord had to be terrifying.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Um, yeah. I mean, for a second I was like,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: is this, is this, is it happening?
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Um, cause the way they pulled up, you know, I
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: was like walking on the street and they like, they like,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: you know, cut me off, you know? And they were like, Hey,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Paul Rosely. And I was like, Oh, and, uh, our
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: lawyer or the guy that used to be the lawyer
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: for jungle keepers, um, his father was very vocal locally
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: about the gold miners and standing up to them They
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: just whacked him. Just that easy.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: No consequences.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: No, no consequences. A really good friend of mine on
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: the river, his father had moved out deep into the
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: jungle like 20 years ago and raised his two boys
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: out there. And then when this Trans-Amazon Highway came through,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: they saw the logging and the burning and, you know,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: they wanted to live at the edge of the world.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: They wanted to be deep in the jungle. And so
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: old man Satuko was like, you know, we're going to,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: we got to figure something out, either move deeper or
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: move away or whatever. And like, they were trying to
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: figure out what to do. And there was this one
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: summer I spent a lot of time with his son.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: His name was also Paul. And, uh, he got, he
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: got murdered by gold miners too. And so like, it's
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: just like a, it's just a war zone. And then,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: and then you have some of our, some of our
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: guys now who are conservationists who used to be loggers
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: who have shot at the uncontacted tribes and been shot
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: at by arrows. One of my Rangers has a scar
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: on his head from, um, a seven foot arrow from
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: the uncontacted tribes. There's a picture of that too. I
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: think it says uncontacted Ignacio.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Seven foot arrow.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So they use the river cane and then they
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: take bamboo and they get an incredible edge on the
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: bamboo and they can, it's like they temper it over
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: the fire. So the river cane doesn't weigh anything. So
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: they make these monster arrows and they can actually like
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: nail a spider monkey out of the trees from like,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: you know, 40 meters.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So check this out. So this is one of
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: my rangers, um, Ignacio. He's, he's local indigenous and.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Uh, And that's the scar on his head from the arrow. Yeah.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: He was trying, so the uncontacted came out and they
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: were pretty fresh. You're going to have a scar on
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: your head. That's, that's a good spot. That looks good.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Someone's got a picture of it when it happened, but
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: he was, he was saying they were trying to, they
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: were trying to push bananas because these people don't know,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: you know, these people are out there and they're naked
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: and they're in the jungle and they've been there for,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: you know, a few hundred years. And he was there
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: and he was actually working for the ministry of culture.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: And he was like, let me try and be friendly.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Let me try and like extend an olive branch. And
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: so he was trying to push, boatload of bananas towards
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: them and the scariest thing was they were they didn't
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: want anyone to understand them and so they were actually
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: speaking in capuchin monkey monkey calls and he's out in
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: the middle he's brave this guy and he went out
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: to the middle of the river and he pushed this
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: thing and he said he saw the arrow coming straight
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: at his eyeball and he just moved his head to
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: the side and it just gave him that cut him
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: right to the skull yeah there's that one and then
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: there should be one more where he's just looking right
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: at us but um yeah he's he's uh he's lucky
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: He's really lucky. He's got worse stories than that, too.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: One time he was he was at a remote guard
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: post and the tribes came and he'd already gotten I
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: think he'd already gotten shot. And he said he went
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: up into the roof and like hid in the rafters
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: like and wrapped himself. And he said it was the
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: middle of the day and he was baking and he
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: said he could hear the the uncontacted tribes underneath him.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: And he was like trying to make the decision of
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: do I kill myself like a dog in a car
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: in this heat? Like he knew he was going to die.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Or do I go down and let them rip me apart?
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: And it was like, it was just the most terrifying story.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: But yeah, like that.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: How did he get out of it?
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: He waited it out. I mean, he'd already been shot
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: in the head. So he was like, I know what's
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: going to happen if I go down there.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Also, then I'm also going to get, I'm going to get,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: everyone's going to come after me for calling them uncontacted.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Apparently that's an outdated term. Apparently the correct parlance these
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: days is voluntarily isolated indigenous nomadic persons. Let's stick with uncontacted.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Can we just call them uncontacted? Oh, fuck you, man.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Fuck you for making me remember all that shit. It's
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: so silly. Yeah.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Uncontacted is not a pejorative.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: No, it's just... And then people are like, well, they
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: technically have contact if they shot your friend. And I'm like, yeah, well.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Sort of. I guess. I guess. Peripheral. I'm sure.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: It's got to be horrifying for them, right? I mean,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: if they've been there for thousands and thousands of years
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: living like that, And then slowly but surely they see
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: this encroachment of machines. And how much do they understand
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: of this Western culture that's infringing upon them?
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: It's weird because these guys, they don't have boats. And
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: so they don't have the wheel. All these simple inventions.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: They don't work with metal. And so I believe that
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: the current theory says now that basically these people were
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: living extremely isolated lives. around the time of the Industrial Revolution.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: They were already very remote. And then when you had
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: the demand for rubber, the Amazon was the only place
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: that you could get rubber. And Henry Ford found out
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: when he did Fordlandia, you can't make a plantation out
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: of rubber. It'll get leaf blight and die. So the
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: only way to get rubber was to start a full-scale
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: genocide where they sent down these rubber barons that beat
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: and whipped the native people and sent them out into
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: the jungle to go collect rubber from the rubber trees
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: for gaskets and hoses and everything that we needed. These
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: are the people that fought. These are the people that
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: remained unconquered, stayed back further in the deepest parts of
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: the forest. And so you think these people's grandparents' grandparents
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: must tell them that those outsiders will set you on fire.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: They will skin you alive. If you see one of them,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: kill it before it kills you. So they must be
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: just running scared.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: It is really fascinating that there's still people living essentially
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: the exact same way they were living thousands and thousands
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: of years ago.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They have a couple of machetes that they stole
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: off some friends of mine. Like they sacked this village
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: one time and they took pots and machetes. They killed
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: all the animals. Yeah. They're very strange to deal with.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Like there was a guy who had started leaving them
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: like bananas and then he left them like a shirt.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: You know, he would just very carefully because they can't speak.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: They don't speak Spanish. They don't even speak like Piro, like,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: or anything like, um, or Yine is the, the, the
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: dialect that we deal with on our river. And, um,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: they murdered him too. And like, he was friends with
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: them for a few years and no one has an explanation.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: I just spoke to a eminent anthropologist about this. I
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: was like, what was the reason for that? And he
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: was like, no one knows.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: So he had made some sort of contact with them
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: and was he had regular things and was he in
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: contact physically with them?
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I think like he would be in the same space,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: like he could have spoken to them if he could
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: speak to them. But I think it was sort of
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: like a like, I leave you this and then I
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: back up and then they would come forward. And then,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: you know, it would be like this very, very careful exchange.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: And that went on for a few years. And then
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: everyone was like, oh, there's this guy. And he's been
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: able to develop this. It was like it was special.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't in any way.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like a bravado thing. It was like he
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: was actually trying to be like, can we make friends
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: with these people? Can we make a relationship here? Maybe
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: bring them in. Maybe do they want to come in?
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Are they scared? Do they need help? Maybe we could
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: just help them with some stuff. And then they found
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: him with seven foot arrows in him. So, yeah.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: No explanation.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: No explanation. So, yeah. The one time that I saw them,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I ran for three days. I like ran down river.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: I jumped in my boat. I went all night. I just,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: I absolutely, I realized I'd gone, I'd made a wrong
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: turn and ended up somewhere I shouldn't have been. And
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: I was completely alone because then that was after the
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: learning days and the Jungle Keepers days came the days
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: where the locals were like, okay, so you know the jungle,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: like start going out on your own. See if you
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: could really do it. Go survive. And I personally wanted
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: to see if I could experience living. I wanted to know.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: It's like being told you can go to Mars and
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: walk around all by yourself. Whoa. You're out in the
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Amazon for a week. by yourself and you're camping on
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: a beach and you wake up and you walk up
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: river and you camp on a beach and you wake
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: up to me, it was almost like the world melted away.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: It was like, uh, that Will Smith movie where you're
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: the last person on earth. It's like you, you, you
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: are in this jungle paradise where there's macaws and there's
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Jaguars and the animals up there don't know what a
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: human is. It's like the Galapagos. You are in a
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: place where animals are unfamiliar with the shape of a human.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: So they don't mind. and there's giant anacondas. Like it's different,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: it's different out there. There are still places where from
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: century to century, nobody goes and the animals have no idea.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: And when you're out there, it gets really freaky. Like
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I noticed my brain losing touch with like, like I
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: would start to get worried like, was this just my
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: reality now? Could I go back? You know, you're so
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: far out there. And the Amazon's friendly. The Amazon's not,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: the jungle itself, there's nothing that's going to eat you.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: A jag's not going to eat you. And unless you
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: go swimming in a lake at night, a black caiman
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: or an anaconda is not going to mess with you.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: And it's like piranha tastes good. They actually, you know,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: that's like how you survive. So it's like, it's pretty
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: chill as a wilderness experience until something goes wrong. Until
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: you get a big thunderstorm and the river rises 20
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: feet and there's entire trees as thick as school buses
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: flying down river in the rapids, then you're in trouble.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: That was one of the scary things about your book,
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: the way you described that when trees fall, that they're
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: so intertwined that acres of land might fall.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Everyone is going, what's the most dangerous thing
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: in the Amazon? Is it the snakes? Is it the jaguars?
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: It's like, dude, you don't even see a jaguar. When
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: you hear a pop, like that big cannon shot pop,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: like an old tree pops, you run. You run. Because
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: when that comes down, it's laced into the canopy with
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: the other trees. And so it's going to pull down
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: other things. I was with loggers one time and they
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: were cutting a tree and it was going to go
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: that way. So we were standing behind it and I'm
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: always like, okay, I got to document this. I got
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: to document this. And so this tree is going to
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: fall away from us. And this tree is probably about
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: as thick as this room. And this tree, you know,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: talking about 160 foot tree and this tree starts falling
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: over and it grabs another tree. And we all realized
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: it at the same time, but the other tree broke.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: And snapped in our direction. And there's like a 30-foot
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: shard of timber, like a fucking oak tree, flying at us.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: And we all just scattered. And then all, like, it
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: was just like the world ended. There was vines and
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: giant things coming down. Entire trees falling out of the
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: sky and flying in splinters. It was cataclysmic. Like, it
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: was out of control. I would never, ever, ever stand
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: that close to a tree falling on the Amazon again.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: I put a GoPro on it and run away.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Wow. Jesus Christ. I would argue that that's crazier than
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: the moon.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: You know, like you say, going to Mars and running around.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: There's nothing on Mars. You're just going to see a
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: bunch of dirt. It's going to be sad. It's going
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: to be like going to the Death Valley, but there's
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: no people ever.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: It's just nothing.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: What you're seeing is almost more crazy because there's so
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: much life, and it's so alien to you. You know,
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: it's nature, and it's a part of the earth that
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: we live on, but it's not a part of the
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: earth that we live on where humans are. So that's
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: what's so fascinating and unique about the rainforest.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: It's so wild. And so, like, that's where, like, our
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: thing with, you know, even with the anacondas, it was like,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: you know, it started with the snakes. And they'd be like,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: you know, teach us about the snakes. And after a while,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: I was like, guys, where are the anacondas? You know, like,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: this is supposed to be the Amazon. Where the hell
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: are they? And so they're like, well, once a year
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: we go on these, like, hunting expeditions up river sales.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: come with us. And as this family of brothers, JJ
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: has like 17 brothers and they're like, come with us.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: And it's literally just a dugout, a canoe, like a little,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: you know, 16 horsepower motor. And you just, you go
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: up for 10 days, 12 days to places where you go,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: where are we? And they're like, no, no, no, it
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: doesn't have a name. We're just on river. You're just out.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: And so, you know, we hunting and fishing and we're
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: just like surviving off the land, going up the thing.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: And then we started catching the anacondas basking on the
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: sides of the river. And so we just started jumping
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: on these snakes, grabbing them by the neck, The first
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: one I did, I fucked up though. The first anaconda
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: I ever caught, the first anaconda I ever caught, I
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: really fucked up because I was like, okay, I know
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: how to catch snakes. I've handled big snakes. I know
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: what I'm doing. You know, they were going to come
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: in from the bottom. I was going to come in
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: from the top. I ran in and I grabbed the
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: snake by the head and she went and wrapped my
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: hands and my wrists are together. And I was like,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: oh shit.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Oh no.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: I was like, now I can't get out of this
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: if I wanted to. And the next coil came over
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: my shoulders. And it's a 200-pound snake, so I'm on
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: my knees. Oh, shit. And so I went to scream, JJ,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: and all I got, I got nothing out. And so
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: I'm sitting there wrapped in an anaconda with my clavicle, like,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: turning into a V. My shoulders were almost touching, and
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: I could feel my ribs just about to go.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Oh, boy.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: And three of my friends jumped on. They started untying
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: it from the tail and everything like that, but I
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: came that close.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, boy.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: I really fucked up. Oh, boy.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Look at the size of that thing. Is that the one?
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: That is not the one. Oh, look at the size
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: of that thing. And that's not even as big as
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: I get. How big is that one? That one is
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: 18 feet 6 inches. That's so big.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: That's so big.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: This one, this is the largest scientifically wild-caught verified anaconda
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: that we have in scientific literature. I mean, people have
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: records of bigger ones. I've seen bigger ones. Um, this is,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: we named her Eleanor after my grandmother. That's the 18
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: foot one. This is the 18 feet, six inches. She
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: was 220 pounds, but she was hungry. She was.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Look at the size of that thing.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: My God.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: So if, if that one that got ahold of you,
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: that's not this one.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: It's a different one. No, that one that got ahold
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: of me was, you know, five feet shorter than this one. This, this, this,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: this thing is a dragon. This thing is like the Kraken.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: There's no way. No. What, how big do they get?
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: That's JJ, by the way. I keep talking about, um, okay.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: So here's my measurement. Um, and actually somebody recently sent
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: me a video of you and, uh, Forrest Galante.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Talking about this, about how big can an anaconda get.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Me and JJ were out on this place called the
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: floating forest one night. And, uh, you know, I was
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: trying to like, I was thinking about like getting on
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: the cover of national geographic. I was thinking about like,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: you know, getting attention at that time.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: And, uh, but we, we, we had gone deeper down
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: the Amazon rabbit hole than like anyone had ever gone.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: We found this place, the floating forest where you're walking around.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: on rafts of floating grass, and you're walking past treetops.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: So there's a forest underneath the lake, but you're walking
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: on the surface of it. And the anacondas love it.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Because they can sit on these grassy islands, and if
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: anything comes, the whole thing is like a giant tympanic membrane.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: As soon as something takes a step, they're like, threat,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: and they go down. And just like any big fish,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: just like any ancient giant crocodile, those shrewd old motherfuckers
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: that have been there for a century, that's where they live.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: And so we were out there like two o'clock in
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: the morning and we're walking on these grassy rafts and
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: JJ's going, this is anaconda. And I went, that is
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: not anaconda because the grass was pushed down, but it
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: was like, it was this big. And I was like,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: this can't be anaconda. He's going, this is. He goes,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: if it was a crocodile, he goes, you'd see the,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: you know, the feet. And I was like, it just
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: can't be. And then at like middle of the night,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: the stars are shining in the black water and everything.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: And we're by the tops, we're in the canopy of
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: a forest on top of a lake. And we see
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: two anacondas. One of them is so big that I
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: would say it was probably 24, 25 feet.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Gigantic.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: That was an 18 footer. Then there was like another,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: like a 16 footer on it. And my first response
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: was we have to catch this snake. And so I
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: jumped on it. I just didn't think about it. I
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: just jumped on the snake.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Oh my God.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: And, and so the snake and you know, I always
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: say like, you know, Pixar, it didn't happen, but this
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: was the middle of the night. I jumped on the snake.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: And as I'm holding it, the one measurement I have
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: is that I was holding onto the snake and my
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: fingers couldn't touch. That's how big this thing was. What?
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: It dragged me to the edge of the grass. What?
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: That big.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: Oh my God.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Oh my God.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Your fingers couldn't touch. Oh my God. Oh my God. Dude,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: that's so big.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: It's so fucking big. And people said, oh, did it
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: eat something? And I was like, no, that was how
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: big the snake was. And I know. Because when she
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: got to the edge, to the edge of the grass,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: I dipped in head first. This snake could have turned
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: around and just eaten me.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: She didn't.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Her head was like bigger than a Rottweiler. It's bigger
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: than Marshall's.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Oh my God.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: But she dove into the water. Her idea is just escape,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: you know, stay alive. So she goes down and I,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: my face poked into the water and I was like,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: fuck that. You know, you start, you look straight down
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: into hell down there. And I was sitting there holding
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: onto the grass with this giant anaconda rushing by me,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: you know, 25 feet of anaconda slithering past me. And
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: I put my hand on her And as she went by,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: my hand eventually went and then her tail slipped by me.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: And I was just, just alone in the dark in
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: the Amazon. And I just seen this dragon. And then
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: I turned around and went, what the fuck happened to JJ?
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: And JJ is just standing there and he turned completely white.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: And he was just, his circuits were blown. He was like,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: and I was like, you could have helped. You could
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: have helped, man.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: So can you just help me out here? So The treetops,
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: essentially there's water under the treetops. So you're walking on
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: the treetops. So how deep is the water below you?
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Like 30, 40 feet.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: So you're essentially walking on.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Grassy islands. Floating vegetation.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Is it like in this video?
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: So yes. Similar terrain? So yes. And thank you for
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: not playing the sound on this. But yeah, it's basically
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: exactly like this. See those islands over there?
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: There's floating grass. And so this is actually how we caught...
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: the big one um you know everyone starts jc's you
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: see jj jj has unlocked everything jj's like there's an
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: anaconda there's an anaconda nobody else saw it and then
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: i'm the only person that's willing to fuck with the
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: head and so they they get the boats this is
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: literally how we caught the biggest anaconda that's ever been
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: caught so the camera guy i was like get the
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: fuck out of here And I just remember in this
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: moment being like, do I really want to do this?
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Do I really like, did I, do I really want
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: to do what I signed up to do?
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: Do you see it in the grass?
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: I can see it here. I can see it here.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: And I'm just going, please, I wish, can I, can I,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: can I turn back?
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: And so for the people just listening, you're standing on
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: the edge of the boat, you jump off into the
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: grass and you run.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: And, and thankfully I have a good GoPro on. Yup.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: And then you see, there's my team. Boom, boom, boom,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: everybody jumping in. So we had, all these people that
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: have all handled big snakes before coming in and see,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: I don't have the head, We didn't have the head.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: JJ had the tail. JJ got the tail. This guy
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Jonas had the tail. Mohsen had the tail. Lee had
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: the tail. Everybody's holding on to this snake. We're using
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: the boat to keep ourselves up. And then I got
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: the head. Whoa. And then as soon as I get
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: the head, I know I'm going to get wrapped again.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is like, look at it.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: This is like.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: And this is the 18-footer?
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the 18-footer.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Oh, look at the size of this thing.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so when people are like, why didn't you catch
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: the 25-footer? I'm like, well, look at this.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: The difference in just like I'm seeing how big this is,
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: it's unbelievably big. And the idea that something was almost
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: 10-foot bigger than this.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And much thicker around. Much, much thicker around. This
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: girl was skinny.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in a second they'll show us walking with her.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: That is so wild.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: And you get a sense of really how big she is, but.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: and you got to keep a hold of that.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: That bitch can swallow your head.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Look at it.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: Look at, what is that feeling like where you're holding
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: onto the head of that thing?
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's completely, completely wild. And it was just,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: I honestly, in that moment, it was like, you want
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: your best friends there. Cause man, that was, that was scary.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: That was very scary.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: And so what is the plan? What do you do
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: with this? Once you capture it, do you measure it
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: and then let it go?
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So for this one, um, Here, look, there's a shot.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: There's a shot coming up where we kind of have
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: her stretched out for a second. But with this one,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: we put a radio transmitter down her throat, and we
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: were able to track her movements to learn about the
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: home ranges of female anacondas. So she swallows it? Yeah.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: It's just like a big pill.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow. How big? Like a Zippo lighter?
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Sure, yeah.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Look at that.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Look at that head.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. Look at the teeth.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were like, that's the queen of the Amazon.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: But yeah, she was old. She had so many scars.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: And so we measured her 18 feet, six inches. And
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: then the friendly people at Discovery Channel changed it to
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: 19 feet, six inches on the show, which was always interesting.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: How dare they. How dare they. That sounds like Hollywood.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm just going to juice it up just a
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: little bit. Just a little bit.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Just turn it up.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: It's impressive enough, you fucks. Look at that thing. Look
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: at that thing. It's so immense.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: I just can't believe there was one that much bigger
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: than that.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: What is the folklore? Like, what do they say when
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: they say what's the biggest one?
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, I have people that told me that they
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: found a 60-foot anaconda. That guy's a drunk. Yeah, but
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: maybe he's telling the truth. Pixar didn't happen.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: Remember the movie with Jennifer Lopez and Ice Cube?
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: I remember that there was one. John Voight.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: John Voight had like the worst Brazilian accent ever. It
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: didn't even sound Brazilian.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: I got to actually watch that movie. I really feel
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: like I should.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: It's a terrible movie.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Is it?
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's terrible.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: But it's great. Yeah. It's like one of those, I
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: think it was like. There's nothing wrong with a good,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: bad movie.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: I want to say it was like 90s, right? Oh, shit.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: What year was that? It's a dumb.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: But the actual big anaconda, look at the size of it.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: The one that's come behind Ice Cube.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: The actual big anaconda was like that. I've seen that
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: image before, yeah. You should hear his Brazilian accent, too.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. It doesn't even make sense. Wait, does he
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: eat two people at once?
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, bro.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, shit. It's a movie. Wow.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: One person is not scary enough. It's got to be
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: tied together somehow.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: You and your family.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Tied together somehow. The snake wraps... So they say they've
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: seen a 60-foot one, but do they have an age limit?
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: It seems like when they get to a certain size,
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: nothing's hunting them. No, they're an apex predator.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: So it's just disease or old age.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: No.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: So in the Amazon, the cool thing with the Amazon
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: is it's the greatest natural battlefield on Earth. It's literally
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: just this churning death march. Life is like a momentary
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: stasis in this recycling of death, and it's like, You
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: fight for it. And so a snake that's getting big
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: like that one that we just caught, like Eleanor, it's like,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: so we learned that she moves around this swamp and
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: has a home range. And then eventually after a few months,
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: you know, she passes the transmitter. She'll poop out the transmitter.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: But one of the guys on the team, Pat, is actually,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: I think, through Acadia University. We've been continuing this and
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: we've learned that there are so many more anacondas than
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: we thought. And everyone said the traditional literature said that
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: they're ambush predators, that they only wait. And it's like, no.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: They're going to places where there's mineral licks in the Amazon,
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: and they stake out them. They're more strategic than we thought.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, so they wait for the animals to lick the minerals.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's places where there's a salt deposit, and
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: so you'll get all the herbivores coming there for the salt.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: But the anacondas will go upstream and strategically target those places.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: One time we saw an anaconda eating a peccary, which is,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: for everybody that doesn't know, is a wild boar.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Like a javelina.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was at a stream trying to take
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: a picture of a butterfly, and I heard this... And
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: I looked down and there's like a 16 foot anaconda
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: and it just bent this peccary in half. And it
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: was just looking at me and it was like, and
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: then it split. And so once a snake leaves its meal,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: it's very unfortunate, but once a snake leaves its meal,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: it's not going to come back to it. So the
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: snake left because we had gotten unknowingly, we got too close.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: So we, we had wild boar that night. We just
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: threw it on the barbecue. Wow. Speaking of eating things, Jamie,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: could you, there's a, I think it's just called monkey head.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: I've been dying to show you this. Can I ask
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: you a question, though? Yeah.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: How old do they get? Like, the one that you
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: got that was 18 feet, how old do you think
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: she was?
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: The thing is, they have indeterminate growth. So you take
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: a baby anaconda. They're live-born, by the way, not in eggs.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: And so you get a brand-new, slimy little anaconda, and
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: they come out, and their food for, like, the Jabyroo storks,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: for other caiman, for even fish. The fish are brutal, man.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: I caught a baby caiman the other day. He had
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: no toes because the piranhas were eating his toes off.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: But the anaconda is interesting because it has this outsized
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: impact on the whole ecosystem because they start off basically
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: as prey. They're just, you know, these little two-foot worms.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: But then as they grow, then all of a sudden
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: they can eat bigger things. Then they can eat the
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: caiman back. Then they can start eating the birds. And
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden they're eating capybara. And then
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: you get to the big mamas where they're the top
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: of the ecosystem. They're the top of the food chain.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: And so you have, like, black caiman, anaconda, jaguar, harpy eagle,
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: giant river otters. And, like, those are your, like, you know,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: top contenders for apex predator in the Amazon.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: The harpy eagle's amazing.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: What a wild looking creature. Their talons. They're so big too.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Is that the biggest eagle? I don't think it's, I
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: think the Philippine eagle or the stellar sea eagle, but
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: the harpy is just unreasonably large. Like when you see them,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: you go, that's what that is. And they eat a
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: lot of monkeys. They eat a lot of monkeys. And
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: so one of the ways to tell when there's a
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: harpy eagle around, like we'll be walking through the jungle
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: and you just find a pile of bones. Because up
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: in that nest, 150 feet up, they're just dropping monkeys
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: and sloths and the babies are ripping them apart and
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: then they just chuck the bones out. So you'll see
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: like a little bone yard in the jungle. Wow. Yeah.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: It doesn't last too long because nothing lasts long. It
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: just keeps recycling everything. But when I was a kid,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: you know, in the rainforest books, they'd say 50% of
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: the life in a rainforest is up in the canopy.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: And it's like, you always say like, yeah, bullshit. It is.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: There's more stuff up there than there is. down there
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: so when you're walking in the amazon you're under 150
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: feet of green three percent of the sunlight is hitting
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: the ground most of the action is happening above you
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: wow the birds the monkeys the bats the snakes the
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: frogs everything is moving up there there's cactuses and bromeliads
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: and vines and it's all interconnected and there's this whole
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: network the amazon canopy keeps changing the the like when
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: you say how many species are on earth and it's
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: like they're like we really don't know because nobody can
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: spend time up in the Amazon canopy. There's people that
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: have used hot air balloons. There's people that have used
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: giant nets. You can climb up with a rope, but
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: then you're kind of limited to one tree. We just
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: spent the last two months building the tallest treehouse in
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: the world. It's like above. See, can you do treehouse?
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: It's insane. I slept up there for one night.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Look at this.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Look at this coming out of the mist. I just
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: slept up there for one night, and in the morning,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: I couldn't believe what I saw. We woke up and
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: it was like what they tell you in the rainforest books.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: It was like, there was like three species of monkeys,
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: like 15 different species of birds. There was things just
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: moving all over the place. What a cool little tree house. Little.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: It takes like 10 minutes to walk up there. That's badass. Yeah.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Apparently it's the tallest tree house in the world. It's
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the Amazon now. And we got
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: solar panels up on there. So how many feet up
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: is it? I think it's about, I think the floor
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: is about 110 feet up.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: And how long did it take to build this thing?
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: A couple months. It took like three months, actually. We
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: brought in some expert treehouse builders. These guys are the
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: treehouse community. That's insane. They build treehouses all over the world.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: But this one, it was like we had to figure out, like,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: how do you even build a staircase? The staircase was
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: half the project. How do you build a staircase to
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: get up to the top of this tree?
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: It's amazing. You guys did an amazing job.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: God, I want to go.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: It's beautiful. Yeah, there it is. The solar panels.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: That's incredible. So you get electricity up there. That's fucking
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: bad ass.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. No, it's, it's really cool.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: That's still there right now?
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Still there. No, like it just got there. You see
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: how fresh that wood is. It's like, it's not even done. Like, um,
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: I left there to come here. You sleep there when
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: you're there? That's your spot?
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Me and my girlfriend just slept up there and we
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: woke up.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: Oh my God.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: You talked to a girl when you're going up there?
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: She must be an angel. Crazy. Crazy. Dude, if you're
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: going to hang out with me, there's a lot of snakes,
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: a lot of climbing.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: Oh, I can imagine. You've got to go to the
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: tree house. So when you wake up in the morning
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: and look out from there, it's got to be insane.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, the sun coming up in
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: the east, and you have, like, red apocalypse. beautiful like
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: mist coming off the jungle and you have spider monkeys
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: like excited because that's a fig, that's a ficus. And
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: so everyone's excited to eat. So all the animals are
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: coming to the tree house. And so you have like
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: howler monkeys, spider monkeys, capuchins, squirrel monkeys. I can't even
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: name all the birds for you. It would just take
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: too long, but there's just, it's like cacophonous. Like I
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: couldn't talk to you because we wouldn't be able to
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: hear each other. Wow. You have to scream and there's
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: like fruit falling on you and animals are shitting all
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: over the place. And there's like leaf cutter ants are
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: starting up their day. And then there's like bullet ants
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: fucking around being like, who can I, who can I
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: take down today? Like it is wild, but it's like,
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: that's why we were like, okay, we got to, because
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: otherwise you climb up on a rope and you're like
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: holding onto a branch and you look around and you
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: go down. This is like, now you, now you can
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: go up there and like, take it in and it's
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: a whole other world. It's wild. And we put it
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: like right in the middle of the 50,000 acres. And
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: so it's just mega remote wilderness and you're actually comfortable.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: And so you have solar panels. So do you have
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: batteries up there? Do you have like, how are you
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: running that?
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Well, one of the guys on my team, Stefan is
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: a complete psychopath and a intense problem solver. He put
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: solar panels, um, hot water, a bathroom. So this is now,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: this isn't just a tree house. This is like a
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: luxury tree house.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: Bathroom like running water a shower whoa so you have
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: pipes that go down the side.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: Of the yeah yeah so there's pipes the idea is
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: that like you can't bring a high volume of tourists
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: into a pristine rainforest and like tourism is a major
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: help for for helping us protect this place so it's
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: like we went with like the african model like the
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: guys i work with in africa at vetpa they were
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: like you know they work on a hunting reserve and
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: the owner of the reserve explained it to me like
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: this he was like look no one's going to pay
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: thirty thousand dollars to take a picture of a buffalo
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: but they might pay $ 30, 000 to shoot a Buffalo. And
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: that like stuck in my head. And it was like,
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: how do we, how do we get less tourists at
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: more value? And it's like build the tallest, most remote,
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: comfortable luxury tree house in the world. And it's like,
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: so now, so now we can invite people up there
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: and be like, you can like literally live stream like wifi.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: We got, we got Starlink up there and we carried
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: some Starlink out there.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: So when you messaged me, I was out there. That's
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: how I got it. I got it on Starlink. I
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: was out in the jungle and I was like, holy shit, guys.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: I was like, I got to go back to the U.S.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: for a minute. Wow.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: So you could have like the ultimate experience going to there.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: You could make a bunch of those.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: And people would pay an insane amount of money to
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: go there.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, that's the idea. So we're going to
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: see if it works. Because since the beginning, like when
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: I started with JJ, it was like we bring people
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: to the jungle. You camp out with us. you live
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: in the tent with us. And it was like, the
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: market for that is like really small. There's like six
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: people that want to do that. Nobody wants to do that.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: And the people that do want to do it, ask
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: them in the morning if they still want to do it.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: They don't.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: And so making it so that people can actually come
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: and see the Amazon rainforest in a way that's like
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: safe and bug-free and air-conditioned and everything else. And it's like,
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: you can just wake.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: Up and look at it all.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: So it's an amazing thing. I can't believe... that I
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: got to sleep up there. So it's like, it's, it's
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: pretty cool.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: That's insane.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: So back to the anacondas, I'm trying to figure out
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: how old they get.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: They get old, man. I think, I think like I'm, I'm,
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: I would say 70. So, cause when you have like
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: a ball Python, you're talking like 30 years or something
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: But do they know that they have a lifespan? Do
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: they know that they die of old age? Is that
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: a thing that happens with them or they just keep going?
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: Like there's some animals that live on earth. Like, I
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: think there's a shark that's older than the United States
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: that's still alive. It's like a type of, what is it,
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: a Greenland shark?
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: There's a type of shark that's literally from like the
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: 1700s that's still living.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: They also pulled a spearhead out of a, I want
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: to say a right whale, where the same thing, and
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: they dated that spearhead back to like the 1830s or something.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: How long do Greenland sharks live? Science says when a
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: Greenland shark lives at least 250 years, they may live
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: over 500 years.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: What?
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: And that thing is just down in the black abyss,
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: just moving, just blind.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: Just swimming around.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: When our grandparents were alive, it was just doing that.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, people were riding horses. That thing's just swimming around.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: The internet comes around, it's still swimming. Chat GPT, still swimming.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Holy shit. Yeah.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: I just wonder how old anacondas get. And so the
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: folklore about them, the 60-foot ones, I wonder if that's real.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: I wonder if they just keep growing.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: I think I wouldn't be surprised if they're well into
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: the 30s. If you told me that somebody found a
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: 35-foot anaconda, I'd be like, absolutely.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: What is the world record that they've ever discovered?
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Again, we have the scientifically verified. Captured. 18.6
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: is not that big. Not as big. I've seen bigger.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: I know other people that have seen, like people I
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: trust that have seen bigger. There's bigger anacondas out there
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: for sure. Yeah.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: And there's no way to know. You're talking about so
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: much territory.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so much territory. Because in between those rivers
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: is just eons of unbroken forests. Like, yeah, we have
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: to worry about the Amazon. It's being cut down, but
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: there are still places.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: Is that one real?
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: That's a dick pic. This is the one that keeps
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: popping up.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: There's only a few pictures online. The largest one is
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: like 30 feet.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: So is that a perspective thing? Like when someone holds
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: a fish in front of them like this? That's it, yeah.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: And that's why I said that. Because they're holding that
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: so much closer to the camera, and that's a retic.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: So that's Indonesia. That's somewhere in Southeast Asia. It's still big.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: It's still big, but it could be like 11 feet,
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: which is kind of a puppy still.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: So there's other ones where it shows like an anaconda
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: wrapped around a giant tractor. Are those fake?
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: I think those are fake. There's one, though, where they're
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: cutting an Indonesian farm worker out of a reticulated python.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: That's real.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: 100%. I mean, people do get eaten by snakes. I mean,
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: that's not, you know. I remember because when I was like,
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: even up until like five years ago, it would always
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: be like, are these videos real? And then like two
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: years ago or so, they were like, watch this. And
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: you see the guy fall out of the snake and
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: you're like, okay, that one's real.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: It does happen.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: It does happen. How often does it happen?
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: Is it something that they worry about or is it
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: just like a very rare occurrence of someone being in
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: the wrong place at the wrong time?
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: You got to be pretty, I mean, as a human,
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: you got to be pretty stupid to get eaten by
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: an anaconda. You got to be doing something really stupid. Really?
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, cause like you're walking through the jungle, like,
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: you know, you know, not to go up to your
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: chest in certain swamps. I mean, dude, I was, I was,
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: I'm just.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: Feeling walking around knowing there's giant snakes around being up
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: to your chest and water.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: Fuck out of here. Forget the giant snakes. When you
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: fall into that nightmare soup at two in the morning
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: and you're, and you get that black water on you
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: and there's, there's things going up your pants. There are,
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: insects in the water there are tarantulas walking on the
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: water eating the frogs it's like you are in a
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: festival of sex and death when you're in the amazon
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: night like it is falling into that water like when
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: we go in there to do research we're like looking
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: at frogs and shit and it's like we put our
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: socks over our pants to like make sure because otherwise
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: shit gets up there one girl got bitten like 16
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: times by this giant aquatic water spider thing that like
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: went up her leg just going like morse coding or
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: just like God, just like pumping venom into her. Yeah.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: How bad did she get fucked up?
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: Emotionally, I think it was worse than the pain because
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: the pain gave her some Benadryl and she like slept
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: it off. But like she was just like, God, it
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: was so horrible. She was like, I was like slapping
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: my leg trying to get this thing to stop biting me.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: And it was just getting more scared. So it was
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: biting her more. And it's like, you don't even know
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: what it is. It could be a new species. Wow.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: You don't even know what it is.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: No, we find stuff.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: They don't have a real accounting system. of all the
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: different species.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, they don't. And so like people say, oh,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: like a bullet ant is the most painful insect bite.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: And it's like, dude, I've been bitten by, stung by
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: bullet ants like eight times. They hurt, they suck. But
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: I found a caterpillar that was like, you know, I
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: don't know, again, maybe like two zippos. And I had
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: it on a leaf and I was trying to put
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: it in a terrarium and the leaf like bent under
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: the thing's way. It was like yellow. It kind of
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: looked like Trump's hair. And it like fell on my
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: hand and I was, plunged into immediate, like, electroshock, like,
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: pain waves. Way worse than a bullet ant. Way worse.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Whatever this caterpillar did to me fucked me up for days. Wow.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: It was horrible.
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: Some kind of venom.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, under then, I, like, I really got
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: scared because then I was like, okay, do I have
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: to get out of the forest? So, like, we went
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: in with, like, forceps and, like, moved the hair. And, like,
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: underneath the hair, it has, like, these, like, Christmas tree barbs.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: And the hair is covering those barbs. Yeah, something like that.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: What the fuck, man?
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: Look at that thing.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That was, I was not laughing. Like, when we
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: get bit by a bullet ant, we're like, oh, shit,
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: like your day's over. It's funny. That's not funny.
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: Is this about your work? Is this from you?
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: No.
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: This image? This is another one?
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Something random off the internet.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: This is in Florida?
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: It says it's a pus caterpillar.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. In Florida?
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: I've never heard of it.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: So is that an invasive species? So many of those
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: in Florida.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Most venomous caterpillars in the U.S. So what does it say?
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: What'd you say?
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: That's what over here says most venomous caterpillar in the U.S.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: It says it's like a bee sting, though.
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: It's only worse. Pain immediately rapidly gets worse from being stung.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: It can even make your bones hurt. So is that
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: exactly what got you or something similar?
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: No, something in that family. Something related to that. But dude,
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: I hate that feeling. I hate even thinking about that feeling.
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: It's horrible.
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: And so that's.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: The worst one that you've experienced. That's the worst insect bite, yeah. Yeah.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: What about other bites? Well, I mean like crocodiles hurt.
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: You got bit by a crocodile?
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Really?
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: I just, uh, I, one time I got, I was,
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: I was catching a caiman at night. Um, and it
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: was like a, you know, usually you catch a caiman
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: and they're not that big. I caught one that's a
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: little bit too big and she like, I couldn't get
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: an arm over her. I had her by the neck
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: and I couldn't get an arm over her tail cause
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: her tail was like over here. And she thrashed out
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: and I, stupid, stupid, stupid, I like grabbed one of
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: her hind, you just let her go. You know, there's
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: no reason for this. I just, I grabbed like a
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: hind leg and I was like, oh, I'm going to re,
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: she just came around and went whack and just nailed
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: me and snapped my watch in half. Like she just
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: like put a nail through the watch I had, which
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: was great because it saved me. And then I still
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: have this, like a something in my arm, in my hand,
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: just like a bone knot. But like then her other
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: tooth went in there and came out there and it's like,
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: it was just stupid. Now I'm more careful when I
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: catch crocs.
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: How big is that caiman? They're fairly small in that family, right?
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: Well, we have four species where we are. We have
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: the smooth-fronted. We have the dwarf, which are both like
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: three feet, five feet. And then you have spectacled, which
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: can get up to like eight, nine feet. And then
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: you have black caiman that can be 18 feet long.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: Black caiman's a real thing.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: 18 feet long?
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, like a black caiman's skull is like... Oh,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: my God. No, they're huge.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: Let me see what that looks like. I was under
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: the impression that caimans were the smaller ones. I didn't
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: know they got that big.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: Black caiman looks like an alligator. They're monsters.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: A big alligator. They get 18 feet long. Holy shit, man.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: So you encountered those?
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've encountered those. What the fuck, dude?
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: Dinosaurs.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, they're huge. Holy shit. Dude, there was one spot
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: that we were... We were exploring. This is, again, one
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: of those places where you're way past like the edge
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: of civilization. And we were we found this like swamp.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: And again, it's always JJ that finds everything. He goes, oh, no. What?
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: He goes, look at these. And there's like a drag mark,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: huge black caiman, like monstrous, like a two foot thick stomach.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: And then these monster hands on either side, you know,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: the feet as it's walking. And we're like following this
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: thing and it comes to the water. And floating in
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: the water is the bodies of all these dead peccary,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: all these dead wild boar floating in the water. And
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what am I looking at here? And we
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: got a stick and we brought them in and we
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: realized a whole herd of pigs had tried to swim
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: across this water. And this monster ass Godzilla black caiman
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: had just gone and just just took down like 10
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: of them. Wow. And so we just were like checking
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: out his refrigerator like they were just there for later.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: They're just like floating there.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: So he's in the area.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: He was in the area, and we were up to
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: our knees, and I was like, we should probably go, dude.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: Let's go.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: No, they're scary big. They're scary, scary, scary, scary big.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: Are those similar to the ones they have in Costa Rica?
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: Costa Rica, I believe, this is outside of my expertise,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: but I think you have American crocodiles, and I think
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: you have spectacle caimans there. I don't think you have
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: black caiman in Costa Rica.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: We saw some big crocodiles in Costa Rica.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man. I mean, big for me.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: I don't know how big they, I didn't measure them,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: but they were, we were on a boat trip and
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: we were going down this river and you see them
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: sliding into the water. So there's ones that were sunning
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: on the side and then you see them just slide.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: In the water.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: It was very creepy.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Because the water's brown and.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: You can't see shit and you know they're there.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: They don't bother you though. Like I just stepped on
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: a came in the other, like a small one. I
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: stepped on a caiman the other day, and I was like,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: you know, he freaked out.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: Okay, Costa Rica crocodiles, they weigh between 800 and 1,200 pounds.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: They get between 13 and 16 feet long. Yeah, those
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: are the ones that we saw. So that's a different kind.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: American crocodile.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: So it's the same as the ones that they have in, like, Florida.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: Is that true?
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know. No, American crocodile and the Costa Rican crocodile.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: It's something different. Can get very big indeed.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: Jeez.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: So I think they're saying it's the same thing. Is
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: that what they're saying?
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: Because.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: I know the American crocodiles, they're smaller than the alligators,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: but much more aggressive.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: You know, they've spotted.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: Nile crocodiles in the Everglades.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: They've got a kill on sight order for Nile crocodiles.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: They've at least spotted one. They don't know if it's breeding.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: They don't know if there's more than one.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: That's so much worse than Burmese pythons.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: The Florida thing is so goddamn crazy.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: It's so wild. It's so wild what's happened down there
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: that there's literally 99% of all the mammals are missing
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: from the Everglades. 99%. 99%. Yeah.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: Google that.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: They found four since the 90s.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: So they found four.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: So that's even worse because they're out there. So you
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: know they're in there. You know they're in there.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: They found Nile crocodiles. Jesus Christ.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: I guarantee it's some asshole with a pet. Let them go,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: and now they're breeding.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, but that's so much scarier. It's all scary. The
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: smash power that they have to take down a wildebeest,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: to rip the head off a zebra.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: I played a video on my Instagram that I found
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: of one snapping a pig in half.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: It just has the pig. Yeah, it just snaps and
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: just chucks down the leg.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: But see if you can find that statistic on the Everglades,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: that there's 99% of the mammals are missing.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: It can be.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: I think it's true. I think it's true. I think
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: it's 99% of all the raccoons, 99%.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: Of all the deer, everything. Yeah, because the fucking crocodiles
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: ate them all.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: Well, it's everything.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: It says it's because of the pythons.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: But it could be. Look at that.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: A study published Monday in the Proceedings of the National
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: Academy of Sciences found the sightings of medium-sized mammals are
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: down drastically as much as 99%. In some cases, in
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: areas where pythons and other Large invasive, large non-native constrictor
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: snakes are known to be lurking.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: So the people that I know that have been there,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: it's over the last few decades, it's drastic.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: You don't see anything anymore. You just see the snakes
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: and you see alligators. Well, it's like Guam. Guam had
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: that problem with the snakes.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: On the island of Guam, they had a monstrous snake problem.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: But that's the funny thing with the jungle. It's like
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: everything is so, there's so many, There's so many predators.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: Everything is eating each other. So it's like you don't
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: have any one thing. The balance is incredible. In the Amazon.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: That's the thing about the invasive species.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: They get introduced into an ecosystem that nothing's.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: There to eat them, which is crazy. These python hunters
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: that are finding these massive pythons in the Everglades, it's
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: so crazy to watch how many of them there are
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: and how they keep finding them.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: I see kids on social media going out and literally like,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: finding Burmese pythons. It's like everyone can do it.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: They say there's a half a million of them at
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: least in the Everglades. I mean, it's warm.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: It's wet.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: There's wildlife.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: It's perfect.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: It's just like.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: It's fucking bananas. Gotta figure out something to do with that.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: How do they do that now?
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: It's like they're so invasive. They're so in the system.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: How could they possibly eradicate them?
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: There's, there's, I mean, cane toads in Australia. I mean, there's,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: there's so many examples of this where we've transported something
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: or I think it was, I think it was cats
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: in New Zealand. Devastated house cats. Yeah.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: Australia as well. They brought them in to kill off
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: other things and they just devastated ground nesting birds and
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: anything else.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, like tragic. Yeah. It's really sad.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: Um, But what can they do? At this point, the
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: Everglades are so dense.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: Hire Florida mans to go out. They think they are
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: doing that. They are doing that. Just put a reward
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: on them.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: But how much of a dent can they even put
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: in it one-on-one?
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's a problem that you can really solve.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: Because you get those big ones, but then it's like
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: they're so cryptic. Snakes are so cryptic. Like, again, what
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: we've learned about anacondas is, like, they can be around
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: you and you don't know it. Like, they'll go in
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: the sand in a river and they'll, like, stick their noses.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: just be resting and they'll be like i ate last
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: week i'm just gonna chill here and so like we'll
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: be walking up a stream and if that snake like
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: once snakes have like radio transmitters in them we're like
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: oh my god they we have none of the equipment
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: required to find them so like the babies they're in
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: the leaf litter they're in the swamps they're like that
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: we're never gonna get them out like that's just the
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: way it is now like i think i i totally
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: think that they should try as much as possible poor
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: poor florida wildlife yeah but realistically What are you going
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: to do?
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: They're eating alligators now. I'm sure you've seen that.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a picture where it exploded out the side.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're trying to eat alligators that are too big.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: They're eating 12-foot alligators.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: We need to find someone to explain to the pythons
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: what size alligator is. The proper size alligator to eat.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: That is so gangster, though. You try to eat something
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: bigger than you and it bursts out the side of
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: your body. How big do pythons get? What is the
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: biggest python ever?
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: I think berms get to like 18 feet.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: Marshall got like shaky, all this talk of pythons. What
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: the fuck?
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: They would love you. I would never bring my dog
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: to the jungle.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: Oh my God, no way.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: Never, never.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: It wouldn't last.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: The bot flies and all this shit.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: I saw the images off your Instagram of you getting
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: bot flies pulled out of your back.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. When we were talking, I was in a
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: bad way with some bot flies, man.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: They suck.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: How often is that? It's not often, but when it happens,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: it really, really sucks. Yeah, this is. So this is it? Yeah,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: so this I'd had. This was like I brought it home.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: This was like at home. And so, yeah, you see
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: there's the tip of it. Oh, bro.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: So this is where you're already at home and you're
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: getting it extracted?
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: See, that's a big one. That's as thick as like
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: almost as thick as a pencil.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, look at that.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: Look at that thing they're pulling out of you. What
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: does it feel like when it's? in you? Look at
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: the size of that, dude. Yeah, and they eat. They
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: eat at night. Look at the pus that comes out. Dr.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: Pimple Popper, she would be proud.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, at night they wake you up because they'll start eating.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: They start chewing on you?
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they really suck.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: Oh, and that's the only way to get them out
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: is to pull it. Oh, God, you got them all
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: over your side and your arm. How did you get them?
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: Apparently a fly catches a mosquito and lays its eggs
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: on the mosquito or moths. We think it's the moths
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: in our region because usually every time I get bot flies,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: it's when I'm doing such intense work that I don't
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: have time to wash my clothes. It's directly linked to
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: how clean you are. Cause like, I'll take off a
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: sweaty ass shirt, throw it over a stick, go to bed,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: wake up and then be like, boom, throw it back
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: on and go. And then like a week later you
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: get botflies. And it's like, cause the moths are covering
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: your shirt at night and the mosquitoes are all, they're
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: all like the sweat. And so you see all these
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: bugs at night all over your shit.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: Oh, there's just eggs in there.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: There's just eggs. And then it gets on your skin
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: and it gets in there. So like I was, and
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: then I, and then like I wasn't sleeping and then
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: like they kind of get infected and it's just like,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: botflies suck.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: Botflies suck.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: It's like nature is metal in your skin.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: It's like, Just try to carve its way through you
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: and eat your meat.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, God. Marshall's freaking out over here. He's like, what
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: are you guys doing?
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: So, other than the bot flies, what are the other
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: insects that you have to worry about?
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a constant stream of mosquitoes and gnats
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: and stuff, but it's really not that bad.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, God. That's a bot fly?
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: Nasty, dude.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: That's a bot fly?
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: That's a bot fly?
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: Exiting. I think it's existing.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: Exiting a body of a dead animal? Yeah. Oh, jeez.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: Ugh. All right, buddy.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: What the fuck, man? What a creepy thing.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: That's a hell of a bot fly. It's like a rhino.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: They're particularly disturbing.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, God. There's something like, there's a great book. I
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: wish I could remember this. There's a great book on
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: parasites where they said something like, the number of parasites
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: for every species on Earth, how many parasites exist specifically
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: for that. And it's like, there's more parasites than there
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: are animals on Earth, and it's fucked. It makes you not,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: So that's a thing to have to deal with. That's
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: a thing to have to deal with. What other, like, spiders?
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: Spiders are chill, man. I love spiders. When I see, like,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: a big-ass tarantula chilling in my room, like, I'm like,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: do your job. Eat the scarier stuff. Like, tarantulas are
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: not going to bother you. I'm always happy with a
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: nice big tarantula.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: Tarantulas are cool.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: Tarantulas are super cool. Tarantulas, I saw a tarantula eating
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: a mouse one time, and it was great. Whoa. Um,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: they also caught it in the web. No, they popped
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: out of his hole and he murked this thing. He
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: just like bit it on the face. He shoved its
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: fangs right in its eyes and the mouse. It was
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: funny too. Cause I was watching the mouse. I did
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: not see the tarantula and the tarantula jumped out and
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: shoved its fangs into the mouse's eyes. And the mouse
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: went into like instant arrest. Like it was paralyzed. It
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: just went straight out and didn't move. And the tarantula
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: was like, and like pulled it down into its hole. Whoa.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: These stories, these stories scare you.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: He's a little freaked out. Marcia's getting freaked out. He's
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: a little freaked.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: He's an empath.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: Oh, no. Look at that.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: God, that is the worst way to go. Thank God
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: those things are as small as they are.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: I found a video the other day, and I put
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: it on my Instagram, of a giant toad eating mice.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: Oh. Yeah, there's like. And they can't even really crush them,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: so it's probably just like. Swallowing it. Stuffing it in
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: its mouth hole, but it's.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: It's so creepy to watch because you don't realize how
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: big their mouths are until you see them stuff a
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: rat in there. So some sick fuck had.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: Set this up. They put the toad, this big, giant.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: Yellow-looking toad, in a fish tank with a bunch of
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: rats running around. See if you can find it. It's
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: on my Instagram, Jamie.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: I didn't see it on your Instagram.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: You don't see it?
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: No, it didn't get pulled down, did it? I mean,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: I was looking. God damn it.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: Censorship. These motherfuckers. They would pull down a toad or
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: a rat?
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: Was it a story or a main page?
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: No, it's on my main page. It's got to be
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: in there. Don't you get a notification when they pull
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: shit down? I think pretty soon there's going to be
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: more people with tattoos of your face than not.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: Here it is.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: I found it, Jamie.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: Which one is it?
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: I'll send it to you if you want. Is that
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: Axl Rose? Where?
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have your Instagram up on there.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: I'm at Axl Rose.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: Did you meet Slash? No.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: I didn't meet him, but I saw him.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: It's up there, Jamie.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: Scroll down. There it is. Bam. That's it. So look
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: at this giant toad. And these rats are running around
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: trying to get free. Watch when he grabs one.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Look at
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: his fat, greedy.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: Fingers as he stuffs that rat in his mouth.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: Look at that. No teeth.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: Just swallow. But I'm wondering right now, what kills the rat?
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like a... Digests it. Just swallows it.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't the rat just chew its way out? Oh, God.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: I think it crushes it.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: Slively in the poison or something.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: Or poison slime or something. What a creepy animal. Imagine
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: if those fuckers are big, just chasing people. They just
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: seem so... There's something about reptiles and frogs and turtles.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: They just seem so heartless.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: Just... Yeah.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: No emotion.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: Just.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: Dude, we found a large... I forget what type of
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: spider it was, but it was eating a snake one night.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: That was fun. I love seeing the interspecies things. You know,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: when you see a tarantula eating a mouse or you
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: see a... You know... a spider eating a snake. And
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: it's like, this, this, this is just worse than it
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: should be. Yeah. It always happens in the middle of
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: the night too. It's always like, not when you want
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: to see that shit.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: Well, I would imagine it's, it makes you really appreciate
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: civilization in some way.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: Uh, yeah.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: At least the peace and quiet. I mean, I guess
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: not though. Cause I guess you really appreciate that.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: I like where it's wild. I like, I like, I
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: like where I like to see I mean, look, the
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: Amazon is so important that it's like, to me, of course,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: as an, as a conservationist, I'm like, we need all
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: of these crazy creations to be doing that, to create
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: that ecosystem. It's like, so like, to me, that's very comforting.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: I'm like, let all that crazy shit be there. If
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: you don't like it, don't live there. Like, you know
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: what I mean? If you don't live in Connecticut, like whatever.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: But like the, the wilder it is, like you go
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: to the jungle in January and you go into a
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: swamp and it's just a freak show. It's just all
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: of that. And you just go through the swamp and
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: there's all these frogs and snakes and night monkeys and
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: anacondas and black caiman and all this shit. And you
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: see eyes looking at you through the darkness and it's jaguars.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: And it's like, it is wild.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: Are the jaguars something to be worried about? Not at all.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: Not at all. I got woken up by a jaguar
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: one time. I was on one of those solos and
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: I was in my hammock and the jag came up.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: And I was very lost and very alone. And I
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: was like on like day six or something of being lost.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: I don't remember. No, it wasn't that long of a solo.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: But I was lost and I was scared.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: I was in a hammock.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: How did you get lost?
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: Well, as soon as you leave the river, like you
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: could literally walk 15 feet and then be like, I'm
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: just going to come right back. And the jungle will
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: like blare with you. You will, because it's all green.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: So you just like think you know what you're doing.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: Just last week, I took people, I wanted to cross
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: from one trail to another trail. And I was like,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: I'm a guide. I can do this. And I came
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: back out on the same trail like a half hour later.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: And I was like, yep, that's what I meant to do.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: Let's go. I'm like, It happens to JJ all the time.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: You cannot find your way in the jungle.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: Do you use a compass?
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: Don't use a compass.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: Why not?
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: Because actually, apparently some of the iron content in some
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: of the saps in the trees pulls the needle. It
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: doesn't work really well. Even the trees are trying to
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: trick you. Oh, my God. GPS has run out of batteries.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: It's like you really just have to learn your bushcraft.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: You have to learn how to navigate in the jungle,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: and it's like, Which is pretty much you have to
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: get just amazing at dead reckoning and remembering your course
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: because it's so dense that, like, we play with people.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: We go, you know, go see if you can go
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: from here to there. And it's like they can't. They
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: can't go there. They can't do that. As soon as
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: you leave the river. So, like, I had gone out
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: on this solo, gotten lost, gotten scared, and then been like, oh, shit.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: What if I just, like, into the wilded myself? What
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: if now I'm going to be the next kid that
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: went and died in the Amazon and, like. I slept
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: in the hammock, but this is as I was learning,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: so I didn't realize that the hammock that I had
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: bought had a mosquito net on top, but the back
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: was not mosquito-proof, so they could stick through. So my
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: back was being destroyed by mosquitoes as I'm trying to sleep,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: and a couple of nights of that. So I finally
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: fall asleep, and I wake up in the middle of
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: the night, and I hear breathing right next to my face.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: And I wanted to turn my headlamp on, and I
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: just hear like, Right here. Like I could feel her breath.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: And I was like six inches away from a jaguar's face.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: And she just like, you know, and then left. And
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: she just came in. She wanted to see what that was.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: She was like, you're not going to move. That's what
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: you're not going to do. She growled like right into
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: my ear. And then later on. That one's cute. That's
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: a cute picture. That's a cute jaguar. Wow.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: And they vary in colors and the spots and everything, right?
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: Like some of them are much darker.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah. Actually, somebody recently was like,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: where do you see panthers? And I went on this
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: whole thing of like, you know, a leopard or a jaguar,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: just like you can have albinos. You have a melanistic one. Wow.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: So like people would call that a panther, but a
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: panther is not a real. There's no animal that's a panther.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: It's like a Kleenex. It's like it's a it's just
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: another name for.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: It that is so beautiful but a black jack yeah
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: oh my god that's beautiful.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah in south india they have the black leopards what
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: an amazing looking animal look at the muscles yeah it's
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: an amazing killing machine and so humans don't get taken
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: out by them Uh, I can only really speak for
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: our region of the Amazon, but there's, I haven't even
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: heard a story about it. Really? No one, like no one. Our,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: our Jags are just, we have like record numbers of Jags.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: Like I think they're listed as near threatened and we
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: have like some of the strongest remaining Jaguar populations in
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: the world. It's incredible.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: And you barely see them.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: We barely see them. Um, the last one I saw
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: was two years ago and some people like go their
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: whole lives without seeing them. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: because people walk off into the jungle and they don't realize.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: It's so funny living in the wild and seeing people
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: show up there. And it's like people come and they
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: smell like shampoo and cologne and bug spray and deodorant.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: And they're just like, to an animal that has such
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: better senses than we do, they might as well just
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: have sirens on them. And you are this shiny, glittering
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: foghorn of attention in the jungle. And every animal is
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: going to run away from you. And so people are
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: always like, how come you go out and you see
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: so much stuff? And it's like, I only shower in
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: the river. I live out in the jungle. I smell
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: like they do. Like, I'm out there for weeks. And
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: it's like, I'm not going and, like, shampooing my hair.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: And so, like, to these animals, like, they know when
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: you're coming. Like, a jag is just going to be like, oh,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: there's a human there. Do you wash with soap when
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: you wash in the river?
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: I do use a biodegradable soap. You have to keep
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: your skin clean or else you'll just get infections. But, like,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: for the most part, like, my... clothing everything like i
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: don't use anything that's scented um because of that because
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: i want to be out there and and just blend
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: in and that's whether i'm out in the field with
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: elephants or whether you're out in you know in africa
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: or india or whether you're in the amazon i i
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: want to be sort of like included i want to
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: blend in and so like not that long ago i
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: was checking a camera trap and i heard i thought
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: it was a we had students at our research station
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: at the time and i heard like the leaves going
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: and it was like september so the jungle was dry
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: And I turned around and I was going to scare
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: this person because I was going to be like, who
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: walks that loud in the jungle? Like, have you never,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: you have no respect. And I turned around with my
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: finger up and this jag walked right by me on
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: the trail and just kept walking. And I was like, oh,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: finger up. And I was like, okay.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: Oh Lord.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: But I took that as good because at least I
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: was my, my like scent trail was, was so that
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: he didn't know I was there. I could see it
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: on his face. He didn't care. He was like, Hey, But,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, he was six feet away. He didn't even
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: break his stride. He just walked by me and was like, yo,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: what's up?
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: They don't think of you as food, so they just
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: keep moving.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: No, and I think they're, you know, with big cats,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: the mothers teach the young how to hunt. And I
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: think they're so oriented, like with tigers, they're so oriented
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: on horizontal, you know, get the neck from underneath, break
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: the neck from up top. And it's like when they
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: see a vertical animal walking by, I think they're like,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: first of all, I don't know what this is. Second
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: of all, it smells weird. Third of all, where do
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: I even, you know, you got to be desperate to
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: take that risk. I don't think that, I don't think
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: that they, lions are a different story, but, but with jags,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: with tigers, with leopards, I don't, I've never, ever felt
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: any fear of being around a jaguar. Like any fear.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: I don't even take pictures of them. I just enjoy it. Wow.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: I let other people take pictures. If I'm with people,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: I'll let them take pictures, but I like will not
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: lift my camera for a jag. I'll just stand there
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: and just. Just take it in. Yeah. You get to
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: see him so rarely. I don't want to sit there.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: Finally seeing one and then put another screen in front
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: of my face. Right. Look through it through some glass. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: That's our camera.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: That's from yours?
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: Look at that thing.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: That is so majestic. What an amazing animal. Those glowing eyes.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the crazy thing. You shine your headlamp into
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: the night and then when things look back at you,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: you got to wonder what it is. It's like. Well,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: when there's two eyes in the front. There's two eyes
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: in the front, yeah. But sometimes the deer, but then
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: the jags do this thing where they move their head
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: like this. They try and see around your headlamp. They'll
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: do this little side-to-side thing. The deer, they'll just blink
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: at you. They'll just blink. And so you start learning
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: the eye shines. You start learning the... Because then you
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: can be out there at night and you look at
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: something and people are like, oh shit, dude, it's a jag.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: And it's like, no, it's a deer.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: When you were saying that the uncontacted tribe were speaking
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: in monkey calls, what.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: Are they doing?
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: So.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: jj's dad used to tell us he said if you're
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: ever out in the forest and something doesn't sound right
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: he was like get out of there and he was
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: like because they will use the tinamu calls like the
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: undulated tinamu is like but like we know what that
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: sounds like but we also know what it doesn't sound
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: like and so like every now and then you'll hear
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: one that's you know different and like we all get
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: freaked out because we're like those are, that's how we
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: do it. That's how JJ taught me to do it.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: Like if there was a bunch of tourists right there
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: and JJ wanted me to come over and like chill
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: with him and we wanted to go hang, he would
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: just do that and get my attention. And like, I
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: know that it's not a tent. I know it's JJ.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: And so it's like, they've taken that to a whole
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: nother level where they can communicate. And so there was
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: a group of guys who was up river and they
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: got surrounded. They heard monkey calls coming from different directions
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: and they realized that they were completely surrounded. And they like,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: at least one of the guys who was saying, who
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: was telling it to me, he got in the water
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: and like crawled like a turtle and like escaped. And
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: then the tribe showed up and then there was this
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: whole showdown where they, they actually shot one of the
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: community members. And then one of the guys who knows
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: some of their language was saying that they, it looked
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: like they were mad with the guy that shot the guy.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: They were mad with him. Like, they were like, why
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: did you do that? Now there's going to be retaliation. Like,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: why did you shoot him? And like, there was like
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: a whole discussion happening while these people were like huddled
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: in the stream waiting to see if they got killed too.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: So it's like, I don't really, you know, because when
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: you get these loggers going in there, it's like, yeah,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: we'll pay you to protect the rainforest. And like, you
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: don't have to do this. You don't have to be
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: going into these areas that are that dangerous. So, yeah.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: So at this point now, though, part, you know, through
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: all of this, though, we've established jungle keepers. We have 50,000 acres.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: We're trying to do 300,000 acres. And if we can
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: do that, will basically be helping to establish one of
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: the largest protected areas in the Amazon rainforest, which will
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: encompass these uncontacted people. And they can stay uncontacted and
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: they can stay safe and do whatever they want to
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: do in the jungle, guarding the secret pyramids and the
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: giant ground sloths or whatever the hell it is that
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: they do. But we're close.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: Now, how many uncontacted tribes are they aware of?
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: I think there's like over 100 different groups across the Amazon.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: There's also varying degrees of, and the other thing is
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: the conversation so often gets turned to like they're, you know,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: violent and that they're people to live out in the jungle.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: And I have no idea how they do it either because,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: you know, at night we need headlamps. We don't have
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: night vision. All the animals have night vision. So it's like,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: what do they do that night? They're able to make
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: fire in the jungle at night every day. If I
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: gave you an entire book of matches, me and you,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: We sat down right now in the jungle. I was like, okay, cool.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: You got a machete and a book of matches. First
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: one to make fire wins. We couldn't do it. It's wet.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: Everything is wet. So how are they, what are, you know,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: what's their, are they doing bow drill? Are they doing,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: what are they doing?
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: We don't know.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: We don't really know. No. We don't know how they
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: do that. We don't know how they stay infection free.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: We don't know what they do with their old people.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: We never see old people. We never really see children.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: And so like they move around and they, we see like,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: Groups of men on beaches, we see like that picture,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: that aerial picture where you see like a family group out.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: That's in turtle season where you have turtles laying their
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: eggs on the beaches and the tribes will come out
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: because that's easy food. You just pick up turtle eggs
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: and eat them. But there's so much that we don't
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: know about their lifestyle. And like people get so many
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: things wrong. Just, you know, if you leave them alone,
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: then they won't kill you. If you, you know, then
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: people go, they're Stone Age tribes. And it's like, well,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: they're not Stone Age tribes because they're alive right now.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: And you couldn't live out in the jungle, but they can.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: So it's like there's elements of their botanical knowledge, their
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: medicinal knowledge, their creation myths, their view of history. I mean,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: they're coming to reality from a whole different perspective than
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: we are. Wow.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: And there's really no way to get, does anyone speak
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: their language? Do we know what language they all speak?
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: Is it universal? Do they have different languages?
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: It's not universal. And there was someone in our region
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: who like captured a child from the uncontacted. raised him
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: in a very remote community and people have tried. Anthropologists
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: have tried. They've been like, Hey, so what was it
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: like when you grew up? And it's, it's like, it's dark.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: He's just like, I don't remember. Like no one's been
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: able to get any information out of him.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: How old was he when they captured him?
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: I think like six, like under 10 for sure.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: Does he not remember? Does he just not want to
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: talk about it?
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know. That's, that's, that's the, these are, there's,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: there's all, there's all these underlying stories. Um, Oh man. Yeah.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: That's just, there's just, then last year at some loggers
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: went to a place they shouldn't have gone and they got,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: they got whacked and, uh, sort of like the, you know,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: like the WhatsApp underground in Peru. Like everyone was sending
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: each other pictures. Cause one of the cops like sent
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: to his family a picture of what the bodies looked
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: like on like day six, laying on the beach with
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: arrows in them and shit. And it was like, Oh
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: my God. It was like this. It's just, it makes
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: you stay in bed at night. You're just like, I
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: am not going out.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: Jesus.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: But I mean, Yeah, it's just it's a complicated topic
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: because there's people that want to contact them. There's people
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: that want to leave them alone. And then of course
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: there's missionaries that are like, they need the Bible.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: What did you think about lost city of Z?
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: Um, I loved the book. I wanted more from the movie. Um,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: of course. Yeah. There's only so much time and yeah.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: Um, Hollywood fuckery. Yeah.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: The book was fantastic. And that guy was out of
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: his mind. Out of his mind. Out of his mind.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: Percy Fawcett.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: Percy Fawcett. But like the fact that he could go
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: on those expeditions and not get infected. I've been, I've been,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: I've been brutally like, let me show you, I'll show
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: you this picture. I don't think there's any way of
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: pulling this up, but like.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: Oh my God.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: Like the jungle just gets into your skin.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: What is that on your face?
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: MRSA infection. It started mosquito bites, and then I would scratch,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: and you don't realize you're spreading it with your fingernails.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: You go like this and shit. I mean, I almost
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: died from that. But I was staying in the jungle
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: to take care of an anteater.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: How did you get free of that? If you're in
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: the jungle, did you use antibiotics? Go home.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: You just go home. I had to go home at
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: that point. I remember I got to JFK, and the
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: guy looked down at my passport. He goes, yeah, what
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: were you doing in Peru? And then he looked up
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: at me, and he goes, buddy, what the fuck? And
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: I was like, I'm just trying He stamped it. He
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: was like, go, go, go, go, go. He was like, go,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: go to the doctor. I can't believe they let me through.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: Right. You could have been infected with some crazy plague.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: I could have had monkey Ebola. It looked bad. And
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: I spent days in the hospital. It was really, really bad.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: But for Percy Fawcett to not, they would say other
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: people would be dying. There was somebody, I think the
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: guy's name was Murray. He came from the Shackleton XP.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: He'd already been out with Shackleton, so he was like,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: I'm a real explorer. And he didn't last any time
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: with Fawcett. Because Percy Fawcett was just like, you can't
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: keep up. Go die. You can go die with the mules.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: Like he just wouldn't stop. So my question is, it's like,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: did he go out and eventually get killed? Or did
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: he eventually go out and like find the tribe that
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: made him their king?
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: There's no knowledge.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: There's no knowledge of it.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: No one really knows what happened to him. And they
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: said in that book that over a hundred people have
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: died looking for him. Since he left. Because then the
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: other expeditions that have gone out, all of those have
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: died too. Look at him. Look at the look in
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: his eyes. A hard man.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: That's a hard man. Look at him. That looks like
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: a guy who could survive on the Amazon.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: Jeez. Who tells you to keep up. Look at the
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: fucking feral eyes on that motherfucker.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: The story's so fascinating because now we know through the
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: use of LIDAR that there really were complex cities in
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: the Amazon.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: Which is just incredible that the jungle just swallowed up
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: all these very complex structures. Yeah.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: It's funny because somebody sent me a video of Graham Watkins.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: Graham Hancock.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: Graham Hancock saying how he was like, yeah, and he goes,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: you know, the jungle is basically a human made garden.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: And then, of course, I went and talked to like
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: every scientist I knew because I was like, come on.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: And they're like, look, you know, in the areas around the.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: rivers there were complex there was no debating it there
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: were complex civilizations sometimes larger than we think but in
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: those areas you see a higher prevalence of like like
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: he's like he said like they'll plant brazil nut trees
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: they'll plant you know whatever i don't think bananas were
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: there at that point but where there was some gardening
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: happening but what what worried me then was then like
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: smithsonian came out and put out like an article and
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: they're like is the amazon created by humans and it
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: was like oh god no no no no no no
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: no because like then you're changing it from a designation
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: of like this incredible complex, wild ancient ecosystem to, if
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: people don't understand the context of what he's saying, that, that,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: that people engineered it in places. And then the headlines
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: went to the Amazon was made by people. And then
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: you have people like Brazil's president Jair Bolsonaro, who's no
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: longer in office, but just being like, well, if we
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: made it, we can manage it.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: Let's go take it out. And it was like, I
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: was like, Oh God, I was like, be careful. I
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: was watching him on your show. And I was like,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: Be careful, be careful, be careful. Because like the work
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: he does is great.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: I see what you're saying, but the implications of that narrative.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And again, a hundred percent there are, there are, dude,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's, there's, you find pottery in places, but
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: it's always near the rivers. Like there's evidence of ancient civilizations.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: You want to hear the craziest thing? One of my
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: guys found a stone axe head. Now here's the thing.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: The uncontacted don't have rocks. You won't find a rock
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: on our river. There's clay. There are no rocks. They
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: found a stone axe head in the jungle at a
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: site from the uncontacted. But what that means is that
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: the uncontacted tribe had a stone axe head that they've
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: been holding on to since like Inca times. Wow. And
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: someone forgot it at the camp. And so you're talking
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: about civilization carrying around something from a previous civilization that
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: they don't know where they got it from. It's like incredible. Wow.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: Because you cannot find, there are no rocks like that
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: on our river. It was like a smooth gray stone
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: shaped into like a blunt axe head with, you know, made,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: you know, so you could attach it to a stick.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: And they found this on the beach and they'd been
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: using it to like clean turtles. But we don't have
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: those rocks. That's more like an Inca type of thing.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: So this has been floating around through various people's hands
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: in the jungle for decades, centuries, who knows. And what
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: do they think about where that came from? It's lost technology.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: that they don't understand anymore.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: So the thing about The Lost City of Z was
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: that there was a previous expedition that had encountered these
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: cities and these incredible, beautiful, complex cities. And they described
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: how elaborate their clothing was and their culture, their agriculture.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: And so then when the next expedition went back, there
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: was no one there.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: Because they had killed everybody with diseases. This is the.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: That's the theory, right?
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean, Oriana was the first person to
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: go descend the Amazon, which the thing that always drove
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: me crazy about that was that they came down the Andes,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: made their way down the entire Amazon, and then looked
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: at the stars, figured out where Spain was, built a
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: whole other ship, and sailed home. Like... Think about that
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: for a second. They built a whole other ship. You
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: built a whole pirate ship and sailed to Spain based
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: off the stars. Wow. And, like, now, like, you look
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: at us now and it's like, are we smarter than
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: that now? Like, how many people can find your way
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: anywhere without, like, your phone? But what is smart, really?
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: You know, what smart is is your ability to use
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: information correctly. Now, what information do you have? Like, they
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: had information that we don't have because they needed to
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: be able to navigate using the stars. That's incredible. They
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: didn't have to deal with the kind of night pollution
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: that we have, the light pollution that we have at night.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: It's one of the greatest tragedies about modern civilization is
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: that we've blacked out one of the most spectacular things
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: you could ever see. The thing that really centers us
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: and humbles us, which is the view of the stars.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: I went to the Keck Observatory a few years back.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: I went last year, but. it was really good last year,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: but not this one time.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: The Keck observatory is in Hawaii on the big Island.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: And you go way, way, way up through the clouds.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: And the view of the cosmos is like, you are
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: in a spaceship with a clear glass windshield and you
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: see everything. There's no light pollution on the Island because
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: they have diffused lighting for all their streetlights specifically designed
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: so that it doesn't fuck with the telescopes. And so
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: when you're up there, the, I'll never forget it. The
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: one time that I went, which was at least 15
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: years ago, maybe 16 years ago, that one time was
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: so spectacular that it changed my view of, like, Earth
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: in the relationship to the cosmos just by seeing it.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: Because you see the Milky Way. You see everything. You
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: see all the stars. It just took my breath away.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: I couldn't stop staring at it. I was like, this
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: is insane. And then I was thinking, God, this is everywhere.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: This is what the ancients used to see before we
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: figured out electricity and blunted it all and ruined our
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: relationship with the cosmos visually. Because that's what every city does.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: When you look up at the night sky, you don't
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: see jack shit in New York City. You see a star. Oh,
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: there's the moon.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: What is up there is literally the most spectacular thing
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: that humans could ever witness. And it's there every night
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: if you don't have light pollution and cloud cover.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: So you're saying it would be almost like more stars
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: than black. You see everything, man. It's incredible.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: So they're very careful at the observatory. There's no lights
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: that get in the way of anything. So when you
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: get outside of the building and there's just people lined
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: up on the roads and on the hills that are
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: just staring up at the sky.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: Because it's perfect. It's insane.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: It's insane. It's so many stars. It's everything. That's what
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: it looks like. That's literally exactly what it looks like.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: With your naked eye.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: With your naked eye, man.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: It's amazing.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: But it's this understanding that that's up there all the
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: time and you can't see it because of light pollution.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: But see, that to me is so much of what
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: we're doing with nature right now, where it's like we're
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: dulling it down. We live in this incredible reality and
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: it's like we're dulling it down. Like in the Eastern
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: Cape where I've been working with the guys from VetPaw,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: like the elephants have smaller tusks or no tusks. because
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: of poaching. And it's like, you're taking this incredible, monstrous,
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: giant land animal.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: Is that a natural selection thing? Like the ones that
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: have smaller tusks are allowed to survive?
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: Because they're targeted Yeah, I targeted for the big.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: Time the big tusk ones are getting killed and so
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: somehow in response to that Yeah, they're developing smaller tusks.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: They're less attractive to the point that they're even having
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: no tusks It's like it like genetically bottlenecked them so
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: quickly because over the last hundred years of the humans
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: were all going for the big tuskers. And now these
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: monster tuskers, like the really big ones where they touch
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: the ground, there's only a few of them left.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: That is so wild.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: And so we, and then moose, like in Maine, they
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: have smaller antlers. And like, we're actually like, we're, we're,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: we're dulling down the, the, the magnificence of the, of
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: the universe. Like when you look at those pictures, you're like,
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: why don't I see that? I picture if we saw
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: that every night, how different we'd be, how much more connected.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. It's, it's so humbling.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: I feel like there's a thing about mountain communities, ocean communities,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: where you're confronted with nature that's on such a scale
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: of beauty and magnificence that you're overwhelmed by it. You're
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: automatically humbled just by your environment and your surroundings. There's
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: the same thing about oceans. You look out into the ocean,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: it's so humbling because it's so immense and there's so
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: much power and energy and life. It's just like. Wow,
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: it just puts you in your place. And the sky
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: is supposed to do that too. There's a relationship that
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: we have to the cosmos when you look up that
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: is like, okay, yeah, this is the real mystery of
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: life and of existence. That we fly through infinity on
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: an organic spaceship every day. And that's what's really going on.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: It's not stationary. It's literally spiraling through the universe.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: And that exact sort of wonder is what I feel
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: when I wake up in the jungle and you... You
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: dip your hands in and you drink the river. And
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: then in the afternoon, you literally watch your sweat come
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: off your forehead. You hold your hand in the sunlight
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: and watch it go into the air and join the
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: mist from the jungle. And then at 4 p.m. you
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: get that thunderstorm and it comes back. And that cycle
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: is moving through you. And it's like you are so
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: connected to nature there. It's so apparent. that like you, you,
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: you can't not be in absolute awe. And like, you
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: see this, and again, we're out there, we see the
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: stars at night like that, where it's like, you can
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: see the Milky Way. It's a belt across the sky.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: And there are these animals and these consciousnesses moving and
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: it's all working together in this giant orchestra of the
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: most complex life that's ever existed. And it's like, you
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: start to, you know, like when you come home and
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: then when you go back to a city, you go, what, what, what,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: you guys are really missing out. You know, like you, you,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: You feel so connected and locked in and you sort of,
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: like you said, it puts you in your place. It
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: reminds you that we're, how insane this reality is. Yeah.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: And that we're on this planet that we are so
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: incredibly connected to. And then you start to understand what
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: happens when people get removed from that and how far
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: off perception can go. Because when you're not, what the
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: jungle does is it brings you back to those chemical
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: physical truths. It like removes the cataracts of society from
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: your eyes so that you're confronted with whether or not
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: the river's rising, whether or not, you know, the sun
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: is going to be, when we're on an expedition, it's like,
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: it rains for six hours and we freeze. You can
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: get hypothermia. Then the sun comes out, but the boat
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: keeps moving. And it's like, well, now your skin is
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: peeling off and it doesn't matter what you believe in
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: or who you are. It's like, we all have to
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: deal with the same reality. You got to survive. And
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: that's where I feel good. That's the, the rules of
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: the game are the same. There's no debating it. It's like,
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: we all have to deal with the facts of that
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: nature is putting forward for us. And it's like the
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: world makes a lot of sense when you're out in
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: the wilderness, the real wilderness.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: That's what people say that live like a subsistence lifestyle.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: They say there's something about it that deeply resonates with
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: being a human being. You know, there's a famous vice
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: series that we have referenced on this show a bunch
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: of times. It's called The Vice Guide to Travel. And
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: they went to visit this guy. I want to say
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: his name right. I think it's Heinmo Kort. And he
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: lives like way, way, way up in Alaska. And he
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: has some sort of, they gave him some sort of
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: permission a long time ago to hold this cabin in
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: this particular area. But he's literally like the last one
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: to be able to do that.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: And he lives up there just hunting caribou and fishing.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: And that's all he does.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: By himself. Yes.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: He lives up with his wife in this tiny cabin. That,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: you know, there's no windows and he has a generator
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: and he's up there just eating caribou and hunting and
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: living off the land. But he's a very intelligent guy.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: And when he talks about it, it's a really fascinating
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: series because this guy is back when Vice used to
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: do like really cool stuff.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: Back when Vice was edgy. Yeah.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: Well, they were real. You know, they were really doing
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: cool stuff. And this guy fucking flew out there on
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: a little bush plane. and hung out with this guy
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: for like a week when their camp got attacked by
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: a grizzly. He had to shoot this grizzly because the
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: grizzly was coming in to raid the camp. So it's
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 3: the middle of the night. He's chasing this guy with
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: a camera, and the guy's like firing a shotgun at
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: a grizzly.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: But, I mean, you have to be a type of
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: genius to live out in that. Like you have to
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: be such a problem solver. Yes. You have to be
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: able to build your house. You have to be able
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: to do irrigation. You have to be able to– I mean,
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: just in the jungle, it's like the problems you have
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: to– I mean, I'm still such a novice. It's like
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: these guys, they're like, can you drive a boat? I'm like, yeah.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: And they're like, no, no, no. Can you drive a boat?
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: Which means, can you disassemble the motor and put it
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: back together? Because eventually that's what you're going to have
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: to do. And so it's like, if you go take
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: your bush plane and go live out in Alaska, it's like, well,
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: how long until you have to call someone for help?
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: It's like, we rely on other people so much. And
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: that's the beauty of being, you get so humbled being
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: out in nature because you go, my God. Doing anything
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: is impossible. Even like making fire. Everyone goes, oh, I'm
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: going to use a bow drill method. And it's like,
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: all right, cool. What are you going to use? And
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: they're like, oh, this piece of paracord and this stick.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: And I'm going to carve it. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: Where'd you get that knife? Where'd you get that paracord? Like, start.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: It's tough.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: Start from nothing.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: Start from nothing. You'll get nowhere. Just try and make rope.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: It's like mankind's second invention. It's impossible. Just sit out
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: in nature sometime. Just go sit out in nature and
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: be like, I'm going to make rope. Like functional rope.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: Enough that I can carry, you know, something.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: Do you find rope from uncontacted tribes that they've left behind?
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: I have a piece. You have a piece? I have
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: a piece.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: Would you? I found a piece on it. No. What
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: does it look like? It's very, very fine. So they
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: weave it from balsa wood. And so balsa, you can
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: pretty much cut the, you know, take your machete and
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: just like cut into the tree and it grows really quick.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: You can peel the bark off of it and pretty
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: much use that as rope. But if you want to
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: take it a step farther, you can tie that and
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: then like braid it or twist it. And it has
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: all these juices in it that like solidify. You can
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: make legitimate rope. I could make 15 feet of rope
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: in like two hours.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: Like it's legitimate rope too. Like you could haul a
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: boat with it. You could use it as bow string. Oh, totally. 100%.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: It's strong.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: But that you have to know that it's the balsa tree.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: Again, when JJ first taught me this. The first thing
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: I did was march up to a Cecropia tree and
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: whack it with my machete and start trying to get
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: the bark off. And the Cecropia ants landed on my face.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: And I came back and I was like, what happened?
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: And he was like, idiot, that's obviously not a balsa tree.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: It took a long time. It took a lot of bites.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: One of the more interesting stories was when you would
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: run out of water and you found a certain type
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: of bamboo that absorbs water. And so you have to
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: cut the bamboo and drink the water out of the bamboo.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's pretty common. If you see bamboo tilted
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: over on the side, it's gotten heavy and it's come over.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: Does it have holes in it where it's absorbing the water?
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 3: Like how is it getting into the.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: It's sucking it up. Oh, it's sucking it up through
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: the ground. Through the ground. And then filling those canisters.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: So that's the purpose of those things?
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the purpose. It's definitely saving
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: water is a purpose of them. And so what we
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: do is we can, when we're out in the bush,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: it's like you just, you cut off one of those canisters.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: And so you have like a sweet little bamboo cylinder.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: And then you tie it with balsa and throw it
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: over your back, and it's like you're carrying a map.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: It's like you just have this, like a water bottle
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: from the jungle. There are ways of getting things done.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: Then what you do is, what JJ will do, we'll
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: go and you take a serrated knife, and when you
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: walk barefoot, you get that big callus on the back
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: of your heel. You cut the callus off your heel,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: stick it on a hook, catch a few piranha, cut
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: them up into pieces, catch some more piranha, and then
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: stuff the piranha into the bamboo, take some leaves... salt,
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: stuff the leaves in the bamboo, and then throw the
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: bamboo canister filled with piranha onto the fire.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It's delicious.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God, yes, because the bamboo flavors the piranha.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: And then if you're with the guys, they know other
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: herbs that they can put on it, but it's like, oh, God,
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: is that delicious. Wow.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 3: So much to serve at a restaurant.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It started off of someone's foot. A piece of
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: your heel. And the reason for that, the reason for
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: that is that, again, it's just like the fire thing.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: I do this when I bring students to the Amazon.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: I go like, okay, let's make fire. Nobody can make fire.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: You go, okay, now we're going to go fishing. We'll
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: give you hooks and, you know, and a line. Find bait.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: A moth is too like loose and they're not around
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: in the daytime. And then you're like, okay, well, what
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: do I, what do I? There is, there's no bait.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: Everything either is eaten or was eaten or is hiding
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: or is camouflaged. You can't find bait. And the Amazonian
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: soil underneath the tree roots is clay. So you're not
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: going to dig and find worms. And so it's a
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: whole different game. It's this whole different... wilderness survival game
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: down there. Wow. You can't just go fishing. You can't
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: just make fire. You have to learn how to do
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: these things there first before that will work.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: And slicing a piece of your cows, that's common? That's
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: a normal way to do it?
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: It's a little bit of a flex. It's a thing
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: that jungle guys do. Like I'll do it, like if
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: there's like a bunch of loggers and we're all like
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: sitting there, like I'll do it just to let them know.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: Because they'll all be like, oh, gringo. And I'll be like, oh, yeah.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: Look at my callus. Who can get more off their heel?
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: Everybody pulls out their knives and starts cutting their feet. Oh, God.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 3: That seems like that could go horribly wrong.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: You do it carefully. There's a way to do it.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: You shave it off. But like JJ gets these big
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: slugs of callus off and it's strong. And so that's
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: great because then, like, the little fish can't pick it off.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: You throw it in. You get a fish. And if
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: you can get a decent-sized fish, then you stick that
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: on a nice big hook. And by morning, you get yourself, like,
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: a nice big fat catfish. Oh. So you work your
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: way up the ecosystem.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: With your heel eventually.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: Starting with your own skin.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 3: Starting with your heel.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: And is that, is there another way to do it?
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 3: Is there other ways that they do it when they fish?
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: Is there like.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, sure. I mean, you can go up to, but again,
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: we're like, I'm talking about like surviving. I mean, you
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: can go up to the edge of the river with your,
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: with your headlamp and curious fish come, you just whack
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: them with a machete. There's that. We also just, you know,
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, usually we had now, now whether we're on
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: a scientific expedition or whether we're bringing like tourists into
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: the jungle or whether we're out with the jungle keepers, rangers,
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: whatever we're doing, we have, we have a chef with us.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: We have a cook with us. We can't always be
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: cooking for ourselves now and doing our work. It's like
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: you just steal some chicken skin, throw that on the hook.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: But you're basically living off of the land when you're
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 3: out there.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: No. To be honest, living off the land is something
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: that we do when we go out on these ceremonial
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: hunts or when we go out on expeditions to really
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: uncharted places. We practice that. And the elders in the community,
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: we lost... The guy.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: Who used to do the ayahuasca ceremonies in JJ's community.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: Like we lost him during COVID, but it's like, he
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: knew things, he knew methods that the younger generation doesn't know.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: Like they have, they have TikTok just like everybody else.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: They have TikTok.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Dude, I told you gold miners follow me on Instagram.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: Like it's like, and that's a security risk for me. Yeah. Like,
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: but like JJ's father once apparently killed an electric eel,
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: removed the nerve. Again, I don't know anatomically if this
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: makes any sense, but this is how the lore goes.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: that he killed the electric eel, removed the nerve that
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: generates the electricity, then cut his own arm open, put
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: the nerve in it, and slapped a dead frog on
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: top of it, and then bandaged that up, and he
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: said that that would give him strength until the end
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: of his days. He lived to 87 years old, alive
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: in the jungle and healthy, and he died one day
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: at a barbecue just like, he just like leaned over
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: on his grandson, smiled, and died. Whoa. He was like
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: healthy until he died. He just turned off. Huh. Yeah.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: So like they, they do stuff. They, they, they have, um,
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: I had a, I was doing some stuff with tigers
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: in India and I picked up a disease called tularemia
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: and I had this horrible patch of pus on my
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: elbow and I went to every doctor. I came home
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: from India, went to doctors in New York and for
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: two months I was like in bed and I had
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: no energy and I, they put me on this antibiotics
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: and that and this and that. And these again, like
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: New York city, Infectious disease doctors couldn't heal this thing.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: I went to the Amazon. JJ takes my arm, looks
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: at it, and goes, oh, so bad. Look at this.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: He goes, come with me. We go into the jungle.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: He cuts a tree, takes the sap, says, drink some
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: of this. Not too much. He was like, one drop
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: of this down your throat. I felt like it was
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: going to close my throat. And then he took the
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: rest of the sap, and he rubs it onto the wound.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: And this is like a disgusting, pussy thing that had
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: been plaguing me for months. It was better the next day.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: It was better the next day. He knew. which tree
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: to go to. Now think about how many thousands of
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: years are needed or at least centuries are needed in
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: order for him to have that knowledge. How many people
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: living out in the jungle had to try how many
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: things to have that medicinal knowledge handed down through the
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: generations and then to be in the presence of a
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: person that has that type of knowledge and to have
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: access to it and to witness it working.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 3: And what specifically does that sap work on? Does it
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 3: work on all kinds of infections and diseases or just
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: the kind that you have?
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: No, so we actually... brought, we, you know, tested it
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: in a Petri dish. And basically, um, there's some of
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: these saps that just murder infections. Like you, you can't
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: get this bacteria to live with these saps. So like
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: people use like neos, like we don't use neosporin in
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: the jungle. Like it doesn't work. What we do is we,
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: we go to the Sangre de Drago tree. Like that works.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: As soon as I see like a little something like
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: a mosquito bite that just doesn't look right. And it's like,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: they're getting too much of my attention. Just go and
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: put that on it and immediately gone. One time I
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: slashed myself with a machete. I had this huge wound.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: I was thinking, oh, God, this is going to get
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: so infected. And then JJ was like, no, just drown
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: it in that stuff. You'll be fine. You won't get infections. Wow.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: There's like miracle shit down there.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 3: And is this widely known? Is this something that the
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 3: scientific community is aware of?
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: Botanists?
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 3: Yes and no.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: I think. what was it, Captopril? They made from Bushmaster
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: Venom in the 1990s. And I think it was Pfizer.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 3: I don't know who it was.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: One of those companies made like a few billion dollars
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: off of it. But what happens is people will discover
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: a compound in the Amazon and then export it. It'll
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: be like thousands of years of wisdom from ancient cultures
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: handed down. And then someone will give that knowledge out
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: to a corporation and they'll take it, profit off of it,
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: and then that's it. But it's like we, at this point,
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: one of the things we're trying to do is work
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: with the indigenous communities to try and help them to
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: preserve that knowledge. Because we're also seeing now that as
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: the roads come in and you have the problems with
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: the fires and it's changing, you know, at the edge,
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: at the edge where the jungle is, is, is being destroyed. They,
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: the younger people have to decide, do they want to
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: live the way their parents lived fishing, hunting howler monkeys,
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: eating howler monkeys, or do they want to, go out
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: into the world and do something else and it's like
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: well then you start with like what else you know
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: it's like it's very very complex being at the edge
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: of living in like a tribal subsistence community and then
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: being confronted with like the modern world and they have
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: like a cell phone and there's definitely a feeling you
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: can definitely see a feeling of like being like left
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: out like they feel like oh we're just sitting here
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: in a river whereas like I feel like people from
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: our world would go like god they have it perfect
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: they have all the fish they could ever want you
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: know Have you.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 3: Ever taken someone from there and taken them on a
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 3: trip to New York City? I mean, I guess they
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: don't have passports.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: Well, some of my guys, some of the guys on
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: my team, like, that run Jungle Keepers are, like, super
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: native but also kind of worldly. Like, one of my guys,
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: this guy Roy, he's a conservation chef. And he's, like,
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: almost famous. He's been to Italy. He's been to Virginia.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: But he runs Jungle Keepers. JJ, I mean, speaks perfect
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: English and, like, does interviews with me on, like, ABC News. So, like,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: these guys have– Roy came to New York City. Dude,
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: the craziest one is this guy. There's a story about
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: an anthropologist. I think it was Kenneth Goode. I can't
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: remember what his name was. But he went to the Yanomami,
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: married one of them, brought them to the U.S. She
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: couldn't handle it because she was like, I want to
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: go back to the jungle. But they had had kids together.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: And I heard this legend like when I was a
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: kid and then that she had gone back to the jungle.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: But that this anthropologist had had like Yanomami children that
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: he raised on his own in the U.S. And then
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: last year I was at a dinner party and I
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: met David Goode, who is that guy. He's the kid.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: And so now he's going back to his people in
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: the Yanomami villages.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: He went to go back. He had to go find
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: his mother. And the first time he saw her, she
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: was naked. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I was sitting at like
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: a dinner party and he was like, yeah, this was, uh,
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: this was.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 3: His mother had abandoned him to go back to the jungle.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: He's raised by his father.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: The anthropologist.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: And then how old was he when he went back
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 3: to see his mother?
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: I think he was in his twenties. Wow. And he
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: has to go on an expedition up a river into
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: the jungle.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 3: How old was he?
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: I think when he was a little kid. I don't
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: think she lasted long. I don't think she liked our
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: way of life. She wanted to go back. Yeah. And
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: so now he's doing his PhD. He's awesome. He could
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: sit here with us and he's doing his PhD on
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: the Yanomami microbiome. I think that's his mother. And he's
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: studying their gut fauna. Wow. Because their rates of cancer,
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: their rates of disease, their rates of depression, of course,
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: are like nothing compared to ours. And so he's launching
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: this massive study right now to find out why are
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 2: they so healthy and why are we so fucked up.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 3: I think it'd be easier to find out why we're
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 3: so fucked up.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: But yeah, he's, he's got a crazy, crazy story.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 3: The, the way they have an understanding of their environment
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 3: and the plants and what to eat and what not
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 3: to eat is just, I would imagine talking, if you
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 3: could speak their language and like be immersed with them
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 3: for a long time and get an understanding of what
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 3: they know, it must be amazing.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: Well, the great thing is that he, he can, that's,
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: that's what makes him so interesting is that he's, he's
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: doing it and he's working on it. Um, But, but
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: think about how much we're losing in terms of like
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: what you said, the connection to the stars and then the, the,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: the realization on a daily basis that we're part of
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: like this, like this massive march of life and that
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: we're connected to these systems and the rivers and the rain.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: And like, it sounds like so cliche to almost say it,
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: but it's like when you're down there and you remember
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: these like original truths and then you go like, like
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: there's such a dissonance between like when you wake up there,
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: are certain things you have to do like when i
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: wake up in the jungle you have to go check
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: the boat because the river might have eaten it at
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: night like you you have to go work on your
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: water system you have to go on the trails and
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: clear them like it's like there's things that nature demands
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: farmers know this you have to wake up and milk
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: the cows like i feel like what's happening in so
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: many people, it's just like, well, you know, you wake
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: up and you're like, well, what do I do? What
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: do I do now? You know, it's like, you get
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: so disconnected from the systems that we're a part of.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 2: It's like, it's, it's amputating us of the thing that
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: connects us to whatever is running this machine, like the
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: gears that work the game. Like, and that's what that
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: these people still remember. They're still connected to that reality.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: And then none of these people are going, are we
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: living in a simulation? They're like, no, they're like, they
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: know what reality is because they're living in it every day.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: So I think that preserving these last wild places while
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: they're still here, like I truly believe that we're at
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 2: the most crucial moment in history, not because of nuclear
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: war or anything like that, but because never before has
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: there been a global threat. Right now we're like we're
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 2: on the cusp of we're going through this extinction crisis
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: and you can talk about climate change, but like our
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 2: rivers and our ecosystems are being tested to the point
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: where like our oceans are collapsing. Our rainforests are vanishing.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: We're losing species faster than we can even count. And
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: we have all the knowledge and technology and ability to
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: stop it. We've seen that humpback whales, they went down
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: from like 120, they were up at around 120,000 pre-whaling
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: and they went down to like 5,000. And then we
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: banned whaling and now they're back up to like 115,000
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: humpback whales globally. Like they're back. Bald eagles, they're back.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: If you just stop annihilating these animals and murdering their habitats,
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: they will continue to make the ecosystems that have been
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: our home on this planet for millions of years. Like
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: they literally have made our lives possible. And so like
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: to me, there is nothing more important. And I think
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: that when I was a little kid, I actually think
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: I had some semblance of an idea that my mission
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: was I'm here to protect rainforest. That's what I'm here
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: to do. And that's why I had to get there
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: quickly before it was too late. And I had the
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: incredible luck of meeting a teacher who could unlock that
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 2: world for me. And now we have the chance, the
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: historical chance. You talk about those sharks. There are trees
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 2: on the river that were there before the Spanish touched
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 2: South America. So the world wars, everything that we know,
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: our grandparents, all of this, that tree was a sapling
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 2: standing there in the Amazon rainforest while pretty much everything
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: that we're familiar with took place in history. And we
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 2: have a chance to protect the incredible complex ecosystem of
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 2: thousands of species that are living on this tree that
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 2: can never be replaced. You're talking about a millennium tree
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: with leafcutter ants and reptiles, amphibians, birds, mammals, mosses, lichens, cactus,
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 2: everything living on this skyscraper of life. And we can
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 2: cut it down for nothing and grow some papayas or
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: we can protect it. And we have the chance to
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: protect it. And no one else is going to have
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: that chance. And as a global society, it's like we
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: can protect black rhinos before they go extinct. This incredible, ancient, monstrous,
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 2: mega fauna animal that we have the privilege of experiencing.
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: There's no reason for this to happen. That people falsely
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: believe that their horns are medicinal when they're not. Yeah.
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 2: And so it's like, I think we are at the
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: most exciting time with the most exciting opportunity because the
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: natural world, you know, we could get through this and
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 2: people will look back on our time and just go,
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: what were they thinking? You know, like the way, like
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: when the industrial revolution came around and they put all
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: the kids in the factories and they were getting like
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 2: crushed in the gears and choked out by smoke. And
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: it was like, we just made regulations and fixed it.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: It's like, we don't need to be killing life on earth.
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: We can exist here and we, and it is awesome.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: We can fly and we can take photos and we
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: can have all this amazing technology. We can leave our
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: planet now soon. All of this is possible, but we,
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: we have to remember the basic truth that we are
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: inextricably tied to our ecosystems and there's no getting around that.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: And so we have to protect them. And so that's,
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: that's the, that's the mission that we're on. And so
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: incredibly the local people of the Amazon And everybody at
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 2: Jungle Keepers. And so like somehow that mission formed. And
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 2: then you became a part of that march when you
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: retweeted that and helped us find Dax who helped us
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 2: protect it. And now we're like moving towards creating this
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 2: giant protected area.
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 3: Well, this podcast I'm sure will energize that even further.
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 3: So what can anybody do if they're hearing this and they're.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, obviously this resonates with everyone. This is a, uh,
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 3: your story is so incredible and just this calling that
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 3: you have to that. And the fact that it really
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 3: has happened and you, you've become a part of protecting it.
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 3: What can anybody do that's listening to this?
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: Um, junglekeepers.com. We have monthly donors. We do trips to
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 2: the Amazon. We have ways to get involved with the
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 2: local people that are now protecting their rainforest. It's, this
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 2: is totally an indigenous led effort. Um, And it's, you know,
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know how these other organizations work. What I
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 2: do know is that, you know, when I went down
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 2: there and JJ was like, we have to protect this.
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: We started Jungle Keepers as a way to just take
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 2: guys that were loggers and give them a different job.
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: Give them a better life. It's like everyone's winning. We're
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: saving the ecosystem. We're giving these people better life. When
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 2: people support Jungle Keepers, like we have like monthly donors
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: and people, they come and visit us in the field.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: Some people don't. Some people give us money and they're like, look,
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: I don't ever want to go anywhere near the jungle,
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 2: but I'm glad it exists. Um, now we're trying to
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: take people up into the canopy and even that we're
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: providing people with jobs as chefs and boat drivers and
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 2: guides and taking a small sustainable amount of people into
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 2: a really beautiful place instead of ruining it with trails
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 2: and people and garbage. It's like, we're just going to
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 2: do it right and keep it pristine and keep it wild. Um,
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 2: so we're doing everything we can. We're studying this place
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: where we're working in every way possible to save the
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: millions and millions and millions of heartbeats that are in
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 2: every square acre. of this rainforest. It's just like, it's
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 2: that feeling. I get that feeling every time where it's,
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: like you said with the stars, where you look out
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 2: there and you just go, this is so incredible that
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: you feel like you've just been energized by some other force.
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 2: You feel completely connected to everything. And you're tapping into
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: the mains. You're connecting to the thing that vibrates it all.
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 3: It's a strange thing when you're in nature. I've never
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 3: been to the Amazon, but in nature, just in general,
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 3: there's a feeling that you get almost like you're on
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 3: a substance like you're on a you're you're connected to
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 3: a vibe that doesn't exist in the urban world and
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 3: not in the concrete jungle that we live in it
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 3: doesn't it doesn't exist so when you go there it's
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 3: all sudden they're like oh this thing this thing that
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 3: i feel is like you're you're you're tuned into it
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 3: it's connected to you and we're not connected When we're
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 3: in cities, it's like this weird bluntness and dullness to
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 3: it all.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's just, it's throwing a fish back
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 2: into water. I think that we belong out there. And
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: I think that we've amputated ourself from that. And so
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: when we go back out into wild places, we're like, yes!
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, despite our evolution and the technological innovation, we're still
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 3: biologically that same creature that coexists with nature. Which is
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 3: removed from the experience for the most part.
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which frustrates me. I'd like... I got it. I
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: got shell shocked, man. I've been jumping in a river
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: for showers for the last few months. And it's like,
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: let's take a shower in a cold tiled room the
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: other day. Like I was like, I just took like
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 2: a normal shower and I was shocked by it. I
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: was like, where's, where are the stars? Like, wow. What
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 2: a weird, how do you feel? How long are you
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: going to do this for? Do you have like a
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 2: grand plan? Is this just your life now? Um, well, no,
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 2: you can't keep doing this. Like, so like, yeah, that's
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 2: what I was thinking. First of all, when you start
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 2: something like this, like there's no, there's no plan. Like
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 2: you just start and actually, you know, I've heard actually
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 2: I always I always thought of this thing and then
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 2: actually heard a clip of you saying it. But it's like,
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: you know, if you're going to go after something, it's
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: like pretend it's a what would the character in the
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 2: movie be doing? Yeah. You know, like if you're going
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 2: after something and it's like in terms of being productive,
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 2: in terms of just continuing to chase the thing. And
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 2: it's like when you start something like trying to stop
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 2: the global march of of destruction of the wildlife, it's
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 2: like you you are going to fail. The fact that
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: we in this tiny little place are notching a wind
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 2: like that is incredible. But it takes an extreme toll
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: having so much uncertainty that I'm going to leave here
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: and fly back down there and go running into the
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: Amazon fires and just broadcast that to everybody because that's
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 2: what gets people excited. That's what gets people to understand
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 2: what we're losing because you have to show them the
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 2: beauty and then show it being destroyed and be like,
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 2: we can stop this. And so my plan is I
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 2: want to in the next year protect the rest of
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: this river.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 3: Now, how much do you have to worry about your
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 3: own personal safety now? Because what you're talking about with
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 3: the gold miners and this, they know who you are.
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 3: And people know who you are now. And the more
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 3: you get this message out, the more you're going to
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 3: become a problem for them.
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 2: The gold miners, yes. But I stay away from the
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 2: gold mining because I'll get whacked pretty quick over there.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 2: The loggers, on the other hand, I just make friends, man.
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 2: These guys, the... Last year there was a rainy night
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 2: and we were all hanging out at the research station
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 2: and some loggers like showed up and they came in
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 2: and we were like, Hey, and like, we like let them,
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 2: we had, we had power. We let them charge their phones.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 2: We gave them some hot coffee and stuff. And it
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 2: was like, we made friends with them. We had some,
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: drinks with them. Now a few of them are working
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: for me. And it's like, dude, we just keep making friends.
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 2: And they protect us. There's an understanding. They're just doing
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 2: what they have to do to survive. They're just doing
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: what they have to do to survive. The loggers, the
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 2: guys on the ground, they're not bad guys. Again, a
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: lot of them are really good friends.
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 3: They're just working.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just working. They're coming from other parts of Peru.
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 2: A lot of them have families. and that maybe their
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: father was a logger or maybe their friends was a logger.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: And so like they go out and there's not a
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 2: lot of stuff you can do out in the Amazon,
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: either a fisherman or a logger or something. But if
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 2: you're living that half-life where you have to make your
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: living off the jungle, but then go buy a house in, in,
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 2: in town, it's like, well, that's a hard thing to,
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 2: you know, and then it's like, or you could just
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: sell it all and go get an office job or something.
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 2: And it's like, there's not a lot of great options
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: for that. And so like they are in a tough position.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 2: And so whether it's, whether it's in the, and that's
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 2: the other thing that I'm in grand plan trying to
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 2: look for. It's like a way of, first of all,
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 2: getting conservationists paid because I know people all over the world,
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 2: incredible conservationists all over the world who like are doing
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 2: this work, protecting species and no one's paying them to
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 2: do it. They're just out there doing the work. And
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: then allowing local people to find a way of like
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: being supported in that transition so that you don't have
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 2: to be, you know, taking somebody that used to be
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 2: a rhino poacher and making them a ranger. You know
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: how the rhino poaching works? Let's go catch rhino poachers.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 2: How fast can we turn people around to that? And
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 2: then make protected areas that are beautiful enough that we
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: can bring people and then have them have jobs. And
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: it's like, there is a solution to this. And so
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 2: finding that solution and exporting it. So if we save
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: this river, if we're successful in saving this river, the
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 2: true change then will come in sort of applying that
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 2: to somewhere else well then maybe there's a river in
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: the congo where that's going to happen we're going to
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: lose all the beautiful pristine medicines and wildlife that's there
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 2: and the herds of elephants well we can we can
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 2: figure out how do we do it here let's do
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 2: it there it's like this can catch fire and it's
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 2: like people more and more and more through this storytelling
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 2: through social media through all this stuff it's like we're
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 2: getting more and more support because people want to help
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: nobody i don't think if you asked anybody if you
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 2: said like What do you think about polar bears? I
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 2: don't think anybody would be able to, you know, be like,
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: I hate polar bears. I want them to go extinct.
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: I don't think anybody's on, you know, not too many
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 2: people are going to say that and say, look, we
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 2: can save the ecosystems and all the beautiful things. I mean,
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: it's not that difficult. All we're doing is asking people
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 2: to not cut down trees. And the exciting thing is
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 2: that now we're actually having success with that. And it's
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 2: because people are helping us get the message out. It's
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 2: because people are like sharing it and taking action. That's
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: why I asked you about Slash because he's been He
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: actually reached out to Jungle Keepers and he was like, dude,
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 2: I want to protect the rainforest.
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's awesome.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 3: Slash is a badass.
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 2: I got to see him play. I was actually backstage.
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 3: It was insane. I sat on the stage with my
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 3: family and watched in Greece and Athens.
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 2: Wow. Three hour show.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 3: Insane. And it's hot out. They're literally, Slash was dripping sweat.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 3: Like you're watching him play and sweat is flying off
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 3: of his body and falling onto the ground. I mean,
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 3: it's hot as fuck out there. It's an outdoor show.
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Three hours. Shit. 60 years old. Got it.
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 3: Going hard for three hours.
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 2: I would love to see that. It was incredible. I
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 2: would love to see that.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 3: He's incredible.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: He loves snakes. He loves snakes. I'm sure. He's a huge,
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: huge lover of animals in general.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 3: The whole thing was insane. I just randomly ran into
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 3: Axl Rose at a restaurant.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 2: Did he just like point at you? No, no.
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 3: I was with my friend Brian Murorescu who wrote the
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 3: book The Immortality Key. And it just happened to align
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 3: perfectly where he was going to be in Greece when
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 3: I was in Greece. The Immortality Key is a book
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 3: about the Eleusinian mysteries and about how in ancient Greece
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 3: they had these ceremonies that they would do where they
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 3: were taking psychedelics. And it's been proven now because of
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 3: the wine vessels they drank. did a study of the
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 3: wine vessels and they show that they have ergot inside
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 3: of them. And ergot is a fungus that creates an
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 3: LSD-like effect. And so they know that they were mixing
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 3: their wine with these potent psychedelics and having these ceremonies,
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 3: these intense sort of well-guarded and secretive ceremonies. And he
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 3: wrote this amazing book on it. Now it started a
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 3: field of study at Harvard.
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 2: It's incredible.
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 3: And there's been a lot of scholarship on it. And
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 3: for the longest time, It was dismissed, like, in the 1970s.
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 3: This guy wrote about it, and they, I mean, he basically, like,
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 3: wrote him off as an intellectual. They're like, this is preposterous.
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 3: But now there's physical proof, and people are much more
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 3: open to the idea of the ancients using psychedelics. So
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 3: I just, by sheer luck, was in the same place
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 3: with him at the same time, and he took me
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 3: and my family on a tour of these ruins.
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 2: It was incredible.
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 3: So we're having dinner. And we're, you know, it's getting late. Like,
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 3: in Greece, they stay up late, man. They're eating late
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 3: at night and drinking. And we're, like, we're staying at
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 3: this place that is a view of the Acropolis. It's insane.
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 3: And my friend Brian comes back from the bathroom. He's like, hey,
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 3: Axel Rose is here. And I'm like, that's crazy. And
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 3: we had to walk by him because the way to leave,
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 3: you're walking by his booth.
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 2: And so I was like, do I say hi? I
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 2: guess I have to say hi. Like, I hope he
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 2: knows who I am. And then I said hi. And
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 2: not only did he know who I am, he knew
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 2: some of my bits. He was asking me about comedy.
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: And he asked me, do you want to come to
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 2: see the show? I'm like, fuck yeah. So he invited
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 2: us to the show.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 3: It was insane.
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 2: That's incredible. It was so cool.
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 3: And my youngest daughter is a huge Guns N' Roses fan.
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 3: So she freaked out.
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's awesome.
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my youngest daughter has an incredible taste in music.
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 3: She loves Nirvana and all this weird stuff.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: She listens to Kiss.
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 3: I'm like, you're into Kiss?
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 2: This is incredible. She's fucking 13. There's something so comforting
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 2: about that. Oh, it's amazing. I like the music.
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 3: She's got super eclectic, interesting taste in music. And she's
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 3: always listening to new music. You know, that's one of
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 3: the cool things about things like Spotify is like you
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 3: get suggested other songs. You listen to a Bad Company
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 3: song and all of a sudden they're suggesting a Pink
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 3: Floyd song. And then you're listening to all this stuff that,
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 3: you know, as a 13 year old with a modern playlist,
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 3: you probably wouldn't be. really introduced to.
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 2: And then they know what songs you like they like
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 2: they continue giving you sounds like that yeah i'll do
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 2: i do go to radio like i'll find a song
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 2: i love and then i'll do go to radio and
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 2: then i'll start doing shit and i keep i keep
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 2: i keep hearting songs yeah yeah yeah i've discovered so
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: much new music so many new.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 3: Artists it's yeah that's really cool it's a really cool
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 3: aspect of today but um so anyway the show was
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 3: incredible and I didn't get to meet Slash. I only
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 3: got to meet Axl, but I met one of the
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 3: other band members, too. Okay. It was pretty dope.
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I'm going to take Slash to the jungle,
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 2: and I want him. Wow. Yeah. He looks like he
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 2: belongs there. He's so sweaty. If you saw him in Greece, man,
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 2: covered in sweat, holy shit, isn't he talented? I just
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: want to see his fingers go.
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 3: It's incredible.
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 2: It's incredible. I mean, he's one of the best, right?
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 2: He's one of the best ever.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 3: The band is so good. it's like you forget how
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 3: many hits they have. And then it's like three hours in,
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 3: you're like, oh yes, Patience.
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 2: Oh my God.
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 3: You know, Paradise City, oh shit.
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 2: It was, it was an amazing show. It was an
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: amazing show.
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 3: I've been a fan of them since like the fucking 80s.
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 3: I used to lift weights to them in Revere, Massachusetts
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 3: in 1988, you know, and so here I am.
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 2: Those are rock gods, man.
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, what, you got the Stones, uh, I.
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 3: Saw them recently too. I saw the Stones about a
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 3: year and a half ago here at the Circuit of
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 3: the Americas.
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 2: They had this giant outdoor show. Amazing.
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 3: You can't believe they're really there. It's like when I'm
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 3: watching on stage, I was like, is that really Mick Jagger?
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 2: He's right there. Because it sounds like it's like a
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 2: historical thing. It's like Ringo's still out there somewhere. Well, no,
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 2: that's like a few years ago. They were like, Chuck
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 2: Berry died. And I was like, Chuck Berry was alive?
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 3: I had no idea.
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember that. I was like, whoa, I thought
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 2: Chuck Berry was a long time ago. Those guys are
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 2: still doing it, too. They're still doing it, yeah.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 3: When I was a kid, like, there was no old
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 3: rock stars. Like, rock stars, it was such a recent,
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 3: and so many of them died young. You know, Hendrix
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 3: and Morrison and Janis Joplin. So many of them died young.
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 3: It was like a normal thing that they were just
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 3: going to die young.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 2: Look at him.
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 1: Slash his Instagram page. It's Mick Jagger's birthday today.
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 3: How old is he?
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: There we go. Happy birthday, Mick Jagger. He's as old
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 2: as Biden.
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: That's insane. He's like doing backflips on stage. Doing three
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: hour shows.
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 3: And he carries, he has two trailers filled with gym equipment.
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 3: He works out every day. Mick Jagger works out every day.
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 3: He's famous for it. Like he's got this rigorous routine
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 3: that he does every day. He does yoga. He does weights.
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 3: He does all these different exercises. He's like incredibly fit.
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I mean, because you're always talking about how
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 2: rigorously you have to work out. You've got to get
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 2: that out of you.
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 2: And I always feel like that. If I'm not out
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: in the field, there's something I have to leave on
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 2: the mat. I have to go sweat it out. Yeah.
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 2: He says that. And then what's the guy's name? Dick
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 2: Van Dyke, right? The guy from Mary Poppins. When he
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 2: was really old, I think he was on Letterman or
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 2: Leno or something, and they were like, you should write
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 2: a book. You're so old, but you're so fit and
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 2: everything else. He goes, yeah. He goes, I could write
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: a book. He goes, but it would be one line.
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: Keep moving. He said, just keep moving. Yeah. He said,
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 2: don't get sedentary.
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, don't get sedentary.
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 1: He's still alive, too.
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 3: Dick Van Dyke?
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Yeah, he's still out there smiling.
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 2: I think he's got a young wife, too. Woo!
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 3: Let's go, Dick.
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: He's working out or something. Yeah.
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 2: Damn. Whoa. Look at him. No! Yeah, he's that wild
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 2: old man. I'm having that experience where I wish you
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 2: didn't show me that. Oh, yeah. I had a different...
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 2: It's one of those things.
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 3: He had a different image of what he was going
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 3: to look like.
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: I had a different image.
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He got old.
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 2: That's what happens. Even if you keep moving, at a
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: certain point.
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 3: In time, time gets you.
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's amazing, yeah. Yeah. but you do have
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: to do something your body requires it and if you
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 2: don't it will deteriorate I think some people don't some
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 2: people seem to be happy to just coast from thing
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 2: to thing to thing and you ever like meet somebody
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 2: that just doesn't work.
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 3: Out oh a lot of people I'm a comic I
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 3: know a lot of comics fat fucks they don't do
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 3: shit just look at some people.
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you, you're happy. You're just going to go
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 2: to sleep and you're going to wake up and there's no,
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 2: like you don't do like charge into battle, like put some,
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 3: I just think it takes all different types of folks
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 3: to make this world go.
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, it sure does.
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 3: And there's a lot of people that just operate on
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 3: completely different energy, completely different needs, completely different interests.
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, I, if I, if I don't get that,
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, that's what me and a
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 2: golden retriever have in common. It's like, if you don't
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 2: get that energy out, you don't just, yeah, he has
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 2: to work out. Right. Isn't he crazy if you don't
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 2: work him out? Yeah, he loves to chase the ball
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 2: and then he's cool. We go swimming and then he's cool.
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 3: He just needs, you know, he's an animal. He needs stuff.
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 2: He needs activities. I respect, I love, like, I love,
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 2: you know, like a dog, you wake him up, you go,
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 2: you want to jump in a freezing cold river? And
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: they're like, yes! Hell yeah! It's like, what? They're like, yo,
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 2: it's snowing outside. It's three in the morning. They're like, yes!
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 2: And they go outside and they roll in it. And
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 2: it's like, sometimes I try to be that.
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 2: You know, especially.
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 3: So joyful.
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 2: So joyful and so impervious to, like, I'll be warm later.
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 2: You know, I'll be comfortable later. I'll be less wet later. Like,
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: you know, they just charge into everything. And it's so,
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 2: you never see a wolf be like, I don't want to. Right. Like,
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 2: they're just like, yeah, I'm going to do it. Well,
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 2: the connection that dogs have with people is so bizarre
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: because it's so manufactured. It's so strange that, like, that dog, Marshall,
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 2: was in his ancestry was a wolf. Yeah. Like, what
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 2: did we do? What did we do? We made him
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 2: so pretty and fluffy.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 3: We took a wolf and turned it into, like, The
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 3: least intimidating, most loving, no worries about it turning on
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 3: you or anything.
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 2: No.
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 3: No challenges to you.
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 2: It's just all love. I mean, I've had, I've been
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 2: out and I've been camping with my Goldens and like
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: they get scared and come to me. Yeah. You know, it's,
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 2: we've turned them into.
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 3: During the 4th of July, he was freaked out.
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 3: Like we were in the house and it wasn't even
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 3: loud in our house, but you know. Texas doesn't fuck
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 3: around with fireworks. They shoot off real fireworks in people's backyards.
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 3: So we were there, and you hear boom, boom, boom.
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 2: And it's not even that loud, but in the distance,
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: for him, he's.
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 3: Like, whoo, whoo, whoo. They're coming. So we're watching TV
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 3: on the couch. He's hopping on me, and he's hopping
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 3: on my wife. He's hopping on my kids. He's going
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 3: back and forth like, whoo, whoo, whoo. Almost like he's
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 3: letting us know. Someone's shooting out there.
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 2: It's like some part of him was completely freaked out
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 2: by it. No, it's adorable. I love, I love how, um,
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 2: just harmless they are. It's just wonderful to have such a,
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 2: you know, I've had shepherds, I've had other, been around
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 2: other dogs, been around wolf dogs and they're impressive and
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 2: they have other qualities, but there is something so wonderful
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 2: to that. Just pure love. Yeah. They're just a pet. Yeah.
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 2: It's not just a pet.
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 3: They're just a pet. Just a loving member of your
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 3: family that is murderous to squirrels.
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 2: Murderous to squirrels. And I severely believe that if somebody
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 2: broke into my house, All they have to do is
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 2: pet them.
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, they're not really going
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 2: to know. I don't, you know.
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 3: I don't think they're, like, tuned into danger like a
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 3: shepherd is.
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 2: No. Or a pit bull is. I mean, these are,
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 2: you know, our family dog, they've never experienced danger. Right.
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 2: You know, you can go like this, and they're like, what?
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 3: What's going on?
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's going on?
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 3: You waving?
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 2: You going to pet me?
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 3: They don't care.
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I know.
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 3: It's just, it's an amazing thing, but it's also weird.
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 3: It's so, it's like, what a beautiful creation, but also
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 3: so strange.
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 2: I love them.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 3: That we have subverted nature in some bizarre way that's
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 3: turned this predator, this hunting pack predator, into this family
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 3: creature that's like literally one of the family. Like Marshall,
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 3: he's one of my children.
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 2: The only time that gets too much for me is
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 2: when you get down to like those little bulldogs that
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 2: can't breathe.
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 3: Oh, God.
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 2: Like where I feel like that's abusive breeding.
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 3: It's weird.
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 2: It's weird. It's weird.
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 3: Like, why'd you want that thing like that? They're really cute.
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 2: You ever see that meme where they're like, pug owners,
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 2: isn't he so cute? And then they're like, the pug,
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 2: and it's like a picture of Steve Buscemi in that
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 2: Adam Sandler movie with his eyeballs going different ways. Yeah,
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 2: they're fucking chihuahuas, too. Some of them with their fucking
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 2: tongues hanging out, their eyes are sideways. Yeah, like, why'd
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 2: you do that?
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, why is that?
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 2: Why did you do that?
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 3: It's a weird breed.
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 2: It is so, it's so weird, but at the same time,
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 2: it's very, I think it's great that we can have
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 2: this this incredibly loyal like i was just reading something
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 2: that chimps don't take iqs from humans like dogs you
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 2: know you know you look at your dog you you
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 2: just look at the leash you look at the door
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 2: and they don't really yeah they are so locked into
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 2: us yeah and like no other animal does that right
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 2: and like i've seen an elephant identify a pregnant person
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 2: i saw an elephant walk up to a woman touch
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 2: her on the stomach and then like call the other
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 2: elephants and be like yo this one's pregnant and they
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 2: all started they knew shit that we don't know she
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 2: was like this is cool. She has a baby. And
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 2: they were like more careful. The elephant thing is so
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 2: bizarre because they recognize each other after decades of being apart.
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 2: They're so smart that I think when I look at
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 2: an elephant, I see a non-human being. I don't look
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 2: at it like there's animals and there's cockroaches and there's
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 2: dogs and there's rhinos and cows and all that shit.
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 2: That's fine. When I look at an elephant, I look
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 2: at it and I'm like, you, they treat you like
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 2: an animal. but they shouldn't. I've seen them do things
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 2: that are so intelligent. I've seen them be so compassionate
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 2: that I think that we are just not smart enough
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 2: to understand how smart that they are. Just because they're
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 2: not changing their environment and typing things and we just
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 2: have a distorted idea of intelligence. I think that, yeah, well,
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 2: like you said, your intelligence is the ability to interact
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 2: with your environment and survive in it. And it's like
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 2: they've gardened all of the habitat that they exist in.
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 2: Like when you watch an elephant twisting branches and creating
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 2: that environment and they're going and grazing around on everything
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 2: and moving that forest and there's mushrooms growing out of
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 2: the piles of shit that they leave. And it's just like,
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 2: there's so much elephant dung and there's so much complex structure.
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 2: And the thing is, as a human, usually what we
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 2: do is we watch, either we watch elephants in the
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 2: zoo where you're looking at basically like a mentally deranged
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 2: elephant that's been kept in a box its whole life.
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 2: Or you're in like a game drive vehicle and you
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 2: drive up to elephants in the field and they're like, ah, shit, humans.
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 2: And then they like walk off. Very rarely do we
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 2: get to see human elephants alone in nature problem solving.
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 2: And so like then you'll get these articles where scientists
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 2: will be like, we gave elephants like a key and
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 2: a lock. And so many of them couldn't figure it out.
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, you're giving elephants a human problem to solve.
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 2: You're not giving them an elephant problem to solve. One
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 2: time I was with a, I had a Jeep and
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 2: it had a whole thing of bananas in it. And
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 2: I was working with this elephant. He was a, he
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 2: was a bandit. He had been mugging banana guys. There's
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 2: a road that went through the jungle and this elephant
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 2: was going out and he would stop them. He would
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 2: stop the truck and then the other elephants would come
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 2: and they would mug the banana guy. So by the
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 2: time he got to where he was going, he wouldn't
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 2: have any bananas. So the Indian forest department had to
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 2: show up and they like shackled this poor elephant. His
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 2: name was Dharma. And they threw him in elephant jail.
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 2: I have a picture of elephant jail on there. But
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 2: one day he caught me with bananas. And he came
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 2: up to the Jeep and he was like, yo, bananas.
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 2: And of course I'm looking up at him. I'm like, hey,
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 2: I'm a good boy.
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 3: Good boy.
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 2: He pushed me to the side. He was like, you
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 2: don't call me good boy. That's elephant jail. But yeah,
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 2: he took the Jeep and he shouldered it, put it
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 2: up on two wheels, made dead-ass eye contact with me.
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 2: And he was like, are you going to give me
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 2: the bananas or not? And I was like, just put
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 2: the Jeep.
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 3: I was in this.
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 2: suddenly I was in an argument that I couldn't win
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 2: with an elephant. I was like, please put the, put
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 2: the car down. He put the car down. And then
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 2: I was like, come on, come over this way. Put
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 2: it up. Eventually I had to give him the bananas
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 2: or he was, he, and he was threatening me. He
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 2: pushed it up just enough and stopped and looked at me. Wow.
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 2: He was like, you want me to do this? Cause
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 2: it seems like you like it when it's this side up.
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know though. And I was like, it was,
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 2: it was actually terrifying in that moment. Cause I was like,
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 2: I can't, overpower you i can't like threaten you with
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 2: there's there's no way for me as a smart human
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 2: to win this argument he just looked at me and
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 2: then he got his bananas and the next day when
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 2: he did it uh my friend niti had a hack
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 2: for it she was the one who was really in
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 2: charge of this but she would go and take a
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 2: cup of water and throw it at his face he
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 2: would slap him and you know he'd be like i
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 2: hate that and then he'd like get upset and walk
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 2: away but but they really uh It's surprising. Like, Jane
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 2: Goodall changed humanity being like, you know, she discovered that
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 2: animals use tools. And it's like, you watch elephants that
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 2: use tools all day long. You know? Like, I've seen
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 2: an elephant, like, rip off a stick and, like, use
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 2: that to scratch. And I'm like, ugh, that's a good spot. Yeah.
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 2: They're just brilliant. They're just brilliant. They know where water is.
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 2: Have you seen those videos of elephants painting? I'm skeptical already,
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 2: but no. What are they painting?
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 3: You've never seen it? No. They taught an elephant to
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 3: paint an elephant. And the elephant's literally painting a trunk Yeah,
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 3: it's impressive.
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 2: I don't doubt it. Didn't they send us one? They
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 2: sent us a painting that one of the elephants had made.
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 2: A painting of an elephant by an elephant?
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 3: They make things. I don't know how they're teaching them
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 3: how to make these shapes. I don't know if the
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 3: elephant recognizes that it's making the image of an elephant
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 3: or if they've taught them to make specific shapes. I
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 3: don't know what they do, but this... Here, we'll show
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 3: you a video.
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 3: But these elephants take a paintbrush, they put it in
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 3: their trunk, and they dip the paint and start working
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 3: on canvas.
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't doubt it. Honestly, I wouldn't put
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 2: much past an elephant. And I mean, they.
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 1: Look at this.
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 2: So here's this elephant, and they give this elephant... And
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 2: this is all real video. I thought, like, this is
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 2: pre-AI shit, too. So... This elephant, he puts the paintbrush
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 2: in the elephant's trunk, and the elephant walks up to
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 2: the palette, to the canvas, and starts painting. Starts painting
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 2: this girl. Look at this. Also, look at how dexterous
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 2: that trunk is. Look at the control that he has. See,
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 2: it's looking.
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 3: It's creating something that mimics what it is. And so
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 3: this guy has to dip the paint for it. He
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 3: gives it back to the elephant.
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 2: I wonder why he dips the paint for him.
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 3: Wow, look at that.
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 2: You can already see it. It's going to be an elephant.
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 3: I don't think the elephant totally understands it needs more paint.
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 3: It knows when it gives it the brush, the paint's
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 3: on it.
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 2: That's what makes me think. Look at this man. Oh,
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 2: look at that. He even has the mouth.
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, look at this.
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 2: That's a better elephant than most.
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 3: People could draw. Yeah, better than most kids for sure.
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 2: Look at this.
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 3: It's really incredible.
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 2: But it's somehow or another, it's not being guided.
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 3: So it knows how to do this.
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 2: My gut says that there's something gimmicky about this. I
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 2: don't know. Yeah, like, I mean, you can train a
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 2: lot of behaviors. Right.
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 3: But how is it training it to make these shapes,
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 3: which is so specific?
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 2: It's very specific.
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 3: It's literally drawing itself. I would like an explanation.
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 2: Like, like, cause it's really good. Like look how it
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 2: makes it. It does the legs. The legs are proportionate.
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 2: The mouth is good. The trunk is up. It's like,
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 2: Oh God.
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 2: Did you, did you cut that Jamie?
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 1: I just, I'm skipping ahead. Oh, okay.
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 2: I was going to be like, I call bullshit. Cause yeah,
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 2: don't skip ahead.
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 3: Just let it play out. Let's just take a look
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 3: at how it's doing this. So now it's doing flowers.
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 1: I read that they're trained to do this.
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 3: Of course they're trained. But, like, what is this thing seeing?
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 3: Does it know that, I mean, you have to train
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 3: a child to paint, too.
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 2: Wait, but you know they use medicine. Like, they've documented
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 2: elephants eating plants that induce labor that African tribes use.
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 2: And then they found the elephant doing it. There's published
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 2: papers on this. What? Elephants use medicine.
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 3: What?
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 3: What kind of plants that they find induce labor?
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 2: I wish I remembered the name of it. I was
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 2: just looking this up because somebody told me and I
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 2: didn't believe them. But there's a plant that helps induce
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 2: labor in some African tribes that they chew when mothers
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 2: are like right on the cusp of giving birth. And
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 2: this one researcher found elephants eating a ton of this
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 2: stuff and then having babies and then went back and
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 2: studied it again and again.
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 3: Wow. Elephants might be able to self-medicate to induce labor.
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 2: Wow. Like this world is wild. Oh, yeah.
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 3: God, that's so interesting. So they know that the elephants
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 3: have been trained, right?
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was going to get into.
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 3: So trained to make that specific image, but still tried
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 3: to get a dog to do that.
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 2: It's not going to be able to do that.
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 3: How smart is that damn thing?
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thing. I think that's what I'm
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 2: struggling to get out here is that You can train
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 2: a dog to do very complex tasks, like a sheep
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 2: dog or like that guy who has like, you know,
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 2: like 400 different things. And he goes, you know, get
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 2: the ball, get the sponge, get the thing. But like
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 2: that to me is still a gimmick. Whereas like the
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 2: fact that they have culture, the fact that elephants have
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 2: taught other elephants that you can chew on this when
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 2: you need to have a baby. They have shit that
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 2: we're not realizing. Like we just look at them. We're like, oh,
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 2: they're giant grass eating octopus face things like with butterfly ears. Like, cool.
• 2:31:36
  Speaker 2: Why not? Right. But it's like if we spend that
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 2: time or the fact that they do the low vibration
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 2: communication where they can communicate through the earth, where they rumble,
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 2: and they can send like, you know, there's water over here. Come.
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 2: And like we can't hear that.
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 3: What are they doing when they're doing that? Are they
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 3: pounding on the ground? Like how are they?
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 2: No. They're rumbling. And they're sending through those. So they're
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 2: an elephant skeletal structure. Like it's like the foot is up.
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 2: And so the whole bottom of their foot. I once
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 2: had an elephant step on my foot. And it doesn't
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 2: hurt as much as you think because it's very soft
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 2: under there. And so they can actually like rumble and
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 2: transmit information.
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 3: So they shake their body?
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 2: No, it's inside of them.
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 3: And it transmits it through the ground.
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And like vast distances too, miles and miles. Wow. Yes.
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, yes. No, this is elephants can communicate
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 2: in a way that we can't hear using the earth.
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 2: Is that the sound of it? That's what it says
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 2: it says.
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's obviously some other. You can hear that
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 1: low frequency rumble.
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 2: It's very low. Wow. Almost like a whale.
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 3: They're like avatar creatures, right?
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 2: That's another one. Look at that.
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 3: How crazy they are.
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 3: That's amazing.
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 2: And they're talking. This is great. We should always have
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 2: this soundtrack on. I love this.
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I should go to bed to this.
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 2: This is like a warm blanket. This is wonderful.
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 2: You know how people sleep with the static sound? Sleep
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 2: to this.
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 3: Oh, what dreams you would have.
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Don't lose this link. I'm going to
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 2: listen to that tonight.
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 3: That's amazing.
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 2: That's great.
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 3: I did not know they did that.
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but the fact that they're transmitting. I actually don't
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 2: know how complex it gets, but that they can be like, hey.
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 2: you know, there's water over here, guys, you know, or
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 2: that there's simple communications. Like I know vervet monkeys have
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 2: different calls for aerial predator versus lion versus whatever. So
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 2: they actually have like a type of, you know, dialogue.
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 2: They can talk to a degree.
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 3: I've heard that monkeys even trick each other. Like when
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 3: some monkeys are going after fruit, a monkey will make
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 3: the sound of like an eagle and then the other
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 3: monkeys will take off and then they'll run and steal
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 3: the fruit.
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 2: Why not?
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 3: Why not? Deceptions.
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 2: So smart.
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 3: Deception in the monkey community. Yeah, it's wild, man. That
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 3: sound thing was incredible. That was really awesome.
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 1: I have this monkey video queued up you wanted to
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 1: show a long time ago.
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Hell yeah. We were talking about the things
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 2: we eat in the jungle, and I was talking about
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 2: the bamboo and the things and the other things, and
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 2: I wanted to show you this. Let me just set
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 2: this up for you. This is one of my friends
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 2: who used to be a logger. This is one of
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 2: the guys that's been at war with the uncontacted tribes.
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 2: This is his daughter, and she's six. This was the
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 2: other day, and I found her sitting there. And I said,
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 2: what is your favorite food? And she went, this. And
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 2: then I just watched her rip into this thing and just.
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 3: Her favorite food is monkey?
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. In the beginning of the video, I'm like,
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 2: what's your favorite food? And she's like, monkey. Oh, my God.
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 3: There's something so bizarre about watching a child eat a
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 3: monkey head.
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, she's like really getting into that shit. She's
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 2: like in the tendons in the brain. Oh, boy.
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 3: Did you try monkey?
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I helped her with that one because she couldn't.
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 3: What does monkey taste like?
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, that, not very good because they just throw
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 2: it on the fire. But they like it. If it's
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 2: prepared okay. And again, I always get like a barrage.
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 2: I get that thing where people, it's like I've devoted
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 2: my life to protecting the rainforest. And then people are like,
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 2: how could you pick up that snake? You were torturing it.
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 2: And it's like, you got to deal with those people.
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 2: And it's like. Yeah, we eat monkeys, guys, like in
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 2: the jungle. Like when you're hanging out with local people,
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 2: they eat monkeys. And if you're at their house, you
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 2: eat a monkey too.
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 3: How often do they eat monkeys?
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 2: All the time. All the time, man. But no, somebody
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 2: handed me a plate not that long ago. We got
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 2: to this community. We actually went with jungle keepers. We
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 2: were like, we get to this community and they come
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 2: out with macaw feathers and robes on and shit. And
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 2: they give us this bowl and they're like, welcome, eat.
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 2: And the bowl, we looked at it. side eyeing each other,
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 2: and we're like, oh shit. And it had a monkey hand,
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 2: it had a piece of a taper, it had a piranha,
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 2: and it had the foot of a yellow-footed tortoise, which
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 2: looks like Bowser's foot from Super Mario. It was this big, scaly,
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 2: gnarly thing with rice. And they were like, welcome. And
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 2: then you can't be like, ew! You have to be like,
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 2: thank you. And you're eating this bowl that's new at
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 2: the zoo. It's like, guys, I really wanted to protect
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 2: the animals.
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 3: What does the foot taste like?
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 2: The foot was the best thing in the bowl. Really? Yeah.
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 2: Because the monkey hand was like sinewy and disgusting and taper.
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 2: I feel too bad eating a tail. I don't want
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 2: to eat a tail. That's it. So I was actually
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 2: able to use the foot, like those big scales, like
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 2: those claws at the end. So you could actually kind
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 2: of use it as like this giant spoon for the rice.
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 2: And so we were all just like sitting there in
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 2: this really, really remote community worrying about getting shot and
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 2: Just like playing with all the different animals in our bowl.
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 2: And you have to eat it all, right? I mean,
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 2: you got to eat it all. Otherwise, you look like
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 2: a stupid gringo if you don't. Because all the local
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 2: guys are like, dude, give me your foot. Give me
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 2: your foot. Can I have the hand? And they're like,
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 2: do you want the balls? And they're like, somebody give
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 2: me taper balls. And everyone's fighting over everything. And so
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 2: if you're like, no, thank you. It's like, well, you're
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 2: just not. I want them. My reputation down there, I'm like,
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 2: I want to be seen. Yeah. In with them, respecting
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 2: their way of life, their local customs. How many monkeys
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 2: do you think you've eaten? I'll tell you when we're
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 2: off the air. no i've probably a handful of times
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 2: had monkey the the sickest i've ever been was for
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 2: monkey as well because they left it out all day
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 2: they don't have refrigeration oh boy so somebody cooked me
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 2: monkey and then i ate it and then i like
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 2: i like walked out back and i was like is
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 2: that the other half of the monkey you just cooked
• 2:37:44
  Speaker 2: me and they're like yeah And it was like covered
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 2: in flies. And it was like, had been out all day.
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 2: It was completely rancid. So it was basically, I just
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 2: ate roadkill. Oh boy. And I was just, I was
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 2: the sickest ever. Oh, this, this one got some controversy, man.
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 2: This poor little diarist just trying to eat her dinner
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 2: and everyone freaked out.
• 2:38:01
  Speaker 3: And what is she eating there?
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 2: That's a turtle. A turtle? Yeah.
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 3: And people are mad that she's eating a turtle.
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, the comment section on this are garbage fire. So
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 2: she was, I mean, I'm literally, she was just eating
• 2:38:11
  Speaker 2: dinner and I was just taking a video of her. Um, But,
• 2:38:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, people were like, how could you let her
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 2: do this? And I was like, let her eat?
• 2:38:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Jesus, what are you talking about?
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But she's adorable. She's so tough. She actually, I
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 2: saw her, the last time I saw her, she took
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 2: an ax and she, like, broke open this log and
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 2: she pulled out this grub that was bigger than my thumb.
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 2: And she was like, eat it. And I was like,
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 2: I don't want it. And she was like, why not?
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 2: And I was like, you're six. I was like, because
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 2: I don't want grub right now. And she just took it.
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 2: and bit the, you know, the pincers on the face
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 2: of it. And she like bit the pincers off. She
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 2: was like, what about now? And I realized this kid
• 2:38:46
  Speaker 2: was like, you afraid to eat a grub? So then
• 2:38:51
  Speaker 2: of course they had like 10 grubs and I was like,
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 2: they're okay. And I'm like, we had this like, but like,
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 2: she's tough like that. She grew up in the jungle.
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 3: Challenging you.
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. She senses that you're a little bit of an outsider. Yeah.
• 2:39:00
  Speaker 2: Like I didn't, she was just like, are you as
• 2:39:02
  Speaker 2: comfortable with this as I am? I was not prepared
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 2: for that. It's like, let me put down what I'm
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 2: doing and, And eat more grubs than you, kid.
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 3: What's a grub taste like?
• 2:39:13
  Speaker 2: Brainy grass. It's mushy. The worst thing about a grub
• 2:39:16
  Speaker 2: is that if you don't cook them and you just like,
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 2: or when you start to cook them, when the nematodes
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 2: come out of them, when the parasites that are living
• 2:39:23
  Speaker 2: in the grubs come out.
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:39:26
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, nothing seems to happen usually, I think.
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 3: Do you have to cook them?
• 2:39:30
  Speaker 2: You should cook them.
• 2:39:31
  Speaker 3: Was she cooking them? Nope.
• 2:39:33
  Speaker 2: No, she was eating them like popcorn. I couldn't keep my...
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 2: All these videos of her just eat it.
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 3: They're hysterical.
• 2:39:39
  Speaker 2: And then they had a baby. He's got a baby.
• 2:39:41
  Speaker 2: It's like a... He was like an infant. And the
• 2:39:44
  Speaker 2: mom is popping them in the baby. Little tiny soft
• 2:39:46
  Speaker 2: ones without the pincers. But she was popping them in.
• 2:39:48
  Speaker 2: And the whole family... It was like you got popcorn
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 2: at the movie theater. It's like we couldn't... You couldn't
• 2:39:53
  Speaker 2: fight over it fast enough. Everybody wanted to grow up.
• 2:39:56
  Speaker 2: And then she just picked the biggest, gnarliest motherfucker with
• 2:39:59
  Speaker 2: the gnarliest fangs. And she was like, put this in
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 2: your mouth.
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 3: Are they nutritious?
• 2:40:03
  Speaker 2: They're very nutritious. Really? Oh, they're amazing, yeah. No, and
• 2:40:06
  Speaker 2: if you cook them, they are delicious.
• 2:40:08
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 2:40:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 3: They're sweet?
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 2: No, they call them suri.
• 2:40:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, sweet.
• 2:40:13
  Speaker 2: They'll stick a bunch of them on a stick and
• 2:40:14
  Speaker 2: then fry them and stuff.
• 2:40:16
  Speaker 3: What does it taste like when you fry them?
• 2:40:18
  Speaker 2: When you fry them, it's crunchy. It's good. Like that,
• 2:40:20
  Speaker 2: I guarantee if you blindfolded somebody and fed them fried grubs,
• 2:40:24
  Speaker 2: they would be totally stoked about it.
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 3: Really? Yeah.
• 2:40:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. No, they're delicious. Shout out to Roy Raquelme
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 2: for making the best fried grubs. Yeah, no.
• 2:40:36
  Speaker 3: So that could be like a menu item.
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like you go to Peru and like, oh, they're
• 2:40:40
  Speaker 2: still alive. Cooking them alive on the skewers. Yeah, but
• 2:40:44
  Speaker 2: like I've seen like the way people give like a
• 2:40:47
  Speaker 2: baby a lollipop or something.
• 2:40:48
  Speaker 3: So this is like a market where they're just cooking
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 3: them on the market.
• 2:40:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:40:51
  Speaker 3: These guys seem to be enjoying them. They do look
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 3: kind of tasty.
• 2:40:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:40:56
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 2:40:56
  Speaker 2: Let's eat grubs.
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 3: Dude, you have a fascinating life.
• 2:41:00
  Speaker 2: Of weird life it's pretty weird but it's pretty fucking
• 2:41:03
  Speaker 2: cool yeah well dude i've been i i've been waiting
• 2:41:06
  Speaker 2: so long to say thank you face to face and
• 2:41:08
  Speaker 2: i mean it thank you so much thank you really
• 2:41:10
  Speaker 2: it really really altered how things went i appreciate you
• 2:41:15
  Speaker 2: altering the entire course of everything and making it possible
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 2: to protect all those heartbeats it's a crazy place you
• 2:41:20
  Speaker 2: should come see it sometime.
• 2:41:22
  Speaker 3: It's my pleasure and i thank you for what you're
• 2:41:25
  Speaker 3: doing and i thank you for coming here and i
• 2:41:27
  Speaker 3: I hope more people will understand and more people get
• 2:41:29
  Speaker 3: involved now because of this, because of this conversation. I
• 2:41:32
  Speaker 3: think they will.
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's save an entire river. That insane... carnival of life.
• 2:41:39
  Speaker 2: Let's protect that entire thing.
• 2:41:40
  Speaker 3: Listen, I think we could do this kind of show
• 2:41:42
  Speaker 3: a bunch of times, too. So, like, anytime new things
• 2:41:44
  Speaker 3: are coming on and new things are happening or anything
• 2:41:47
  Speaker 3: you want to talk about, let's do it.
• 2:41:49
  Speaker 2: All right, man. As soon as I get some weird
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 2: new parasites. I was actually thinking of trying to keep
• 2:41:53
  Speaker 2: the botfly. Oh, God. I was like, we're going to
• 2:41:55
  Speaker 2: take it out on you.
• 2:41:56
  Speaker 3: No, no.
• 2:41:57
  Speaker 2: It's no need. Are you sure?
• 2:41:59
  Speaker 3: I'm positive. I guess you want to eat it afterwards.
• 2:42:01
  Speaker 2: Jesus.
• 2:42:02
  Speaker 3: Show me how tough you are.
• 2:42:03
  Speaker 2: Yikes. Do they eat botflies?
• 2:42:04
  Speaker 3: No. Do they cook them?
• 2:42:05
  Speaker 2: No.
• 2:42:05
  Speaker 3: No.
• 2:42:06
  Speaker 2: No. No, that's taking it too far.
• 2:42:09
  Speaker 3: They cook tarantulas. I know that, right?
• 2:42:11
  Speaker 2: Tarantulas apparently taste like crap. I've never actually had one.
• 2:42:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've eaten pretty much everything, but I've never
• 2:42:16
  Speaker 2: had a tarantula. Apparently, David Good's people, the Yanomami, they
• 2:42:19
  Speaker 2: do that. They cook up some nice tarantulas.
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 3: Well, listen, man, thank you so much for being here,
• 2:42:24
  Speaker 3: and thank you for everything that you're doing. It's courageous.
• 2:42:28
  Speaker 3: It's amazing. It's inspiring. It's really interesting.
• 2:42:30
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 2:42:31
  Speaker 3: And your book, which is available right now.
• 2:42:34
  Speaker 2: Mother of God. Yeah.
• 2:42:35
  Speaker 3: I'm listening to it on audio right now.
• 2:42:37
  Speaker 2: It's incredible.
• 2:42:39
  Speaker 3: So thank you. Thanks for being here, man.
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 2: Let's do it again.
• 2:42:41
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
• 2:42:42
  Speaker 2: My pleasure. All right. All right, folks.