Latest / Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation / NFL Week 13 Thanksgiving | November 27, 2024 | DraftKings & FanDuel DFS Picks, Plays and Process
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- 0:06Speaker 1: The system's going clear the lift.
- 0:37Speaker 2: What's up everyone? Tyler tamblin here aka TOTEG and Tambo
- 0:40Speaker 2: back for a special edition The Thanksgiving three Gamer, a
- 0:44Speaker 2: favorite slate for many out there, I know, so gotta
- 0:47Speaker 2: break all things down from the three game perspective. It's
- 0:49Speaker 2: a staggered slate. We're gonna go position by position on
- 0:52Speaker 2: this one so we can talk through it and how
- 0:54Speaker 2: it plays out, roster construction, what we think other people
- 0:57Speaker 2: are doing, and how you could build your lineups differently
- 0:59Speaker 2: to find your your way to the top. Tournament's very
- 1:02Speaker 2: top heavy and very large this week if you're playing
- 1:04Speaker 2: something like the five dollars million Makers. So we'll get
- 1:06Speaker 2: there as we go through it. But Hoop title here
- 1:09Speaker 2: with me as always, and Hoop got to bring you
- 1:10Speaker 2: in first man, what's going on? Happy early Thanksgiving to
- 1:13Speaker 2: you and everybody else out there, as well as my
- 1:14Speaker 2: friend title that we'll get to in a second.
- 1:16Speaker 3: Yeah, Happy Thanksgiving to you and everyone.
- 1:18Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:19Speaker 3: Hopefully you know a day they're able to spend some
- 1:21Speaker 3: time with family, friends, whatever you do, watch some football obviously.
- 1:24Speaker 3: If you're watching the show, I'm assuming you'll be tuning
- 1:26Speaker 3: into some football. Unfortunately, the games don't appear to be
- 1:29Speaker 3: super appealing, but you know, it's always fun to to
- 1:33Speaker 3: be able to chill, sit back, eat some food, have
- 1:36Speaker 3: some drinks, beer, whatever it may be, wine, mixed cocktail,
- 1:39Speaker 3: and watch the games we're going to go through, you know,
- 1:43Speaker 3: try to find some path to victory lane here and
- 1:46Speaker 3: then our content is already starting to go up and
- 1:48Speaker 3: all of it will be up nice and early for
- 1:50Speaker 3: you guys to digest it. And we have some deals
- 1:52Speaker 3: that we'll discuss as well for Black Friday in terms
- 1:55Speaker 3: of our pricing. So excited to be here, excited to
- 1:58Speaker 3: talk some football and see you and find in terms
- 2:00Speaker 3: of three games slate.
- 2:02Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, beer said, wine said everything but a
- 2:04Speaker 2: shoey over there.
- 2:05Speaker 3: But I will get you that be the day because
- 2:09Speaker 3: I will be a you know, I'm gonna start the
- 2:10Speaker 3: lines are what twelve thirty Eastern time start and I
- 2:14Speaker 3: will be I will be cracking a beer at that time,
- 2:16Speaker 3: and so tomorrow, tomorrow could be the day, So stay tuned.
- 2:19Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one title. What's up man? How you
- 2:22Speaker 2: doing doing well?
- 2:23Speaker 4: Thanksgiving? Always one of my favorite slates.
- 2:26Speaker 5: Three games staggered times so late swap is very much
- 2:29Speaker 5: in play. There's two games with the same total of
- 2:31Speaker 5: forty eight one game not many want to play. Outside
- 2:34Speaker 5: of a couple of pieces. In the Dallas Giants, I
- 2:36Speaker 5: was excited to get the stud Drew Locke news in
- 2:39Speaker 5: for Tommy Devino. Always loves seeing his clip at the
- 2:42Speaker 5: end of the third quarter jam and rapping with the
- 2:44Speaker 5: Broncos bring his little sway to the team. I'm excited
- 2:48Speaker 5: for that. But yeah, it's it's an interesting slate. Hoose
- 2:52Speaker 5: lines are on into huge favorites. Good luck getting them right.
- 2:54Speaker 5: But it adds more pieces to it. The Dolphins Packers
- 2:57Speaker 5: game interesting. There's not really weather on the slates, but
- 3:00Speaker 5: Roth has it yellow and he says it feels like
- 3:02Speaker 5: twenty degrees and we'll get to the tua and stuff
- 3:04Speaker 5: like that. But yeah, I mean tua and the cold
- 3:07Speaker 5: has never been too great. But ownership, we obviously play
- 3:10Speaker 5: an ownership game that looks like the only thing whether
- 3:13Speaker 5: obviously the other two games inside it down.
- 3:15Speaker 3: But yeah, three games.
- 3:16Speaker 5: Light swap is big stagger time and everyone enjoyed with
- 3:19Speaker 5: the family friends, but hey, money to be made.
- 3:21Speaker 2: Yeah, the young Gez clip man, that's the best one.
- 3:24Speaker 2: I guys, you locked this is funny though, Like this
- 3:26Speaker 2: guy said a lot in our discord, I know people
- 3:28Speaker 2: are bringing up and you just hit on it, so
- 3:29Speaker 2: I'll stick with you for two seconds before we get
- 3:31Speaker 2: to everything else here. Just the how does that flip
- 3:33Speaker 2: the slate because obviously we're ready to talk through it
- 3:35Speaker 2: and go in there. But same price as DeVito was,
- 3:38Speaker 2: same kind of ownership. I don't It wasn't like DeVito
- 3:41Speaker 2: was going to be heavily owned or something like that.
- 3:42Speaker 2: It's still sort of the same set up, the same
- 3:45Speaker 2: spot for the most part. But I guess other people
- 3:47Speaker 2: just think Drew Lock is really good, so they'll, you know,
- 3:49Speaker 2: at least good enough. So do what was your thoughts
- 3:51Speaker 2: on that title? What do you think?
- 3:53Speaker 5: The line was four and went to three and a half,
- 3:55Speaker 5: So a little respect to Drew Lock and that's what
- 3:57Speaker 5: I expected too.
- 3:58Speaker 3: I do agree with Lee Price, what that's funny that
- 4:03Speaker 3: the half a point line movement is, Like, do people
- 4:07Speaker 3: really think this is sleigh changing?
- 4:09Speaker 5: I don't know they're gonna move the football. I think
- 4:11Speaker 5: Drew low is definitely a better quarterback than Dommy than Tom.
- 4:14Speaker 3: This has Will Levis vibes all over it again.
- 4:17Speaker 2: People look at our guy, Keith, Babe, I'm sticking with
- 4:20Speaker 2: two quarterbacks only Locke and Williams. Forget the other guys.
- 4:24Speaker 4: Those in the.
- 4:24Speaker 5: NFL multiple times and had game winning drives, and I mean,
- 4:28Speaker 5: at the end of the day, there's a lot better
- 4:29Speaker 5: quarterbacks out there. But what There's Kale Williams on the slate,
- 4:32Speaker 5: There's Cooper Rush on the slates, there's Tua in the cold,
- 4:35Speaker 5: and yeah, you can go golf and love and they're
- 4:38Speaker 5: gonna get some ownership. But yeah, I mean, I think
- 4:40Speaker 5: there's I think you can pick holes in every quarterback
- 4:44Speaker 5: and play every quarterback when we get to ownership. Nobody
- 4:46Speaker 5: wants to play the Giants on this slate, so I
- 4:48Speaker 5: look at it as an upgrade.
- 4:49Speaker 4: I think it definitely is.
- 4:51Speaker 2: If Cowboys lose, shave my head, you know, comes down
- 4:54Speaker 2: a conviction with Locke's ability. I think that's true. What
- 4:57Speaker 2: about this, by the way, Hoop, as I kick it
- 4:58Speaker 2: back to you to get your thoughts on it, you
- 5:00Speaker 2: could take the dongbong. This is how you could get
- 5:02Speaker 2: away with it. Pour it into the shoeye, and then
- 5:04Speaker 2: pour the shoeye into the mouth, and then everybody would
- 5:07Speaker 2: get a little dong dongbong with the shoey on top.
- 5:10Speaker 3: I would have potential accessibility to the dongbong tomorrow because
- 5:14Speaker 3: I will be with my mother in law who is
- 5:15Speaker 3: currently in possession of the dongboon. So like again, like
- 5:19Speaker 3: the day, It's impossible though, like as we've talked through this,
- 5:23Speaker 3: to get away with the dong bong as punishment, because
- 5:25Speaker 3: that is living with you forever. I mean imagine Hoop
- 5:28Speaker 3: with a twelve inch dong, and I mean the circumference
- 5:31Speaker 3: of this thing is massive in my mouth doing a
- 5:34Speaker 3: beer like I would never like, I would never get
- 5:36Speaker 3: away from that, like zero escaping. I'd like to do
- 5:38Speaker 3: it in replacement to the shoe. I'll be honest, I'd
- 5:41Speaker 3: rather do the dog bone than the Showye, there's no
- 5:43Speaker 3: doubt about it, Like one hundred percent. I'm like a
- 5:46Speaker 3: germ kind of guy with in some regards. I had
- 5:48Speaker 3: one hundred percent of the dog bunk over the shoe.
- 5:51Speaker 3: If there was not social media and long term ramifications, Hoop's.
- 5:54Speaker 2: Gonna go to the store and buy a pair of
- 5:56Speaker 2: Kicks fresh and dump it in and that's going to
- 5:58Speaker 2: be a shoe. So I got these brand new sneakers
- 6:00Speaker 2: lace them up first for the drink and then shove
- 6:03Speaker 2: it down. But that's the germ side of it. But
- 6:06Speaker 2: go ahead, hoop, I mean you can give your grand
- 6:08Speaker 2: scheme overview. I guess we could start it there. I'll
- 6:09Speaker 2: get into the promos in a second, but just just
- 6:11Speaker 2: with the in regards to the lock news that was
- 6:14Speaker 2: brought up, Like you said, you don't seem to think
- 6:15Speaker 2: it's slate changing at all. It just doesn't change the
- 6:17Speaker 2: thing for.
- 6:18Speaker 3: You, right, No, it doesn't change anything for me, Like, well,
- 6:20Speaker 3: I think it's the same, and I think you know,
- 6:22Speaker 3: my guy Naids. You know, we've battled on here a
- 6:24Speaker 3: little bit, gone back and forth with the jokes, but
- 6:26Speaker 3: I think he's right, like the Giants don't want to win,
- 6:28Speaker 3: like they're not in the in the business, and I
- 6:31Speaker 3: got it. I don't know if it's like a hot
- 6:32Speaker 3: take when I get when we get to that game
- 6:34Speaker 3: or we're not going game by game. We'll talk about
- 6:35Speaker 3: it as the show goes on. But I just have
- 6:37Speaker 3: a very strong opinion about that game specifically and some
- 6:40Speaker 3: of the plays in it. So I just I don't
- 6:44Speaker 3: think it really changes anything. Like there's another really all
- 6:48Speaker 3: the quarterbacks are relatively cheap. I mean, we have other options. Like,
- 6:51Speaker 3: I just to me, I don't think it's gonna be
- 6:53Speaker 3: Drew Drew Locke. But again, you know, you guys have
- 6:55Speaker 3: been able to talk me into things throughout the show.
- 6:58Speaker 3: I just I did actually just buy a new pair
- 7:00Speaker 3: of new balances. The new style actually not too bad,
- 7:02Speaker 3: and you seriously feel like you're walking on clouds. These
- 7:04Speaker 3: boys are nice. I'm telling you. It's like the standard
- 7:07Speaker 3: Gray ones, but they're like they're beefed up a little
- 7:10Speaker 3: bit and those things are legit. But yeah, like I
- 7:13Speaker 3: don't know, I just I guess long story short, with
- 7:15Speaker 3: the Drew lock thing, it doesn't change anything for me.
- 7:17Speaker 3: Like this team wants the first pick, nothing to play for,
- 7:21Speaker 3: and I think Dallas has a different mindset, So I
- 7:24Speaker 3: don't know, it doesn't change much for me.
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- 8:19Speaker 2: stone and hoop, I'm gonna stick with you. Then you
- 8:21Speaker 2: said he had some thoughts on certain things, and we'll
- 8:23Speaker 2: get there when we go position by position. But just
- 8:25Speaker 2: as a whole, I guess it is a good idea
- 8:27Speaker 2: of people still like to sort of hear the rundown
- 8:28Speaker 2: of how you see the games playing out or how
- 8:31Speaker 2: you know you would lean into where you're gonna make
- 8:33Speaker 2: your decisions based on what you think happens in these games.
- 8:37Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, if we're not gonna go game
- 8:39Speaker 3: by game, but I'll just touch on kind of what
- 8:40Speaker 3: I anticipate to happen in each game, and then we'll
- 8:43Speaker 3: get into position by position. Maybe Tyler can go through
- 8:45Speaker 3: and give his opinion. But like the Lions, I mean,
- 8:49Speaker 3: title is again a different opinion than I do on
- 8:51Speaker 3: this best team in the NFL. I think it's pretty
- 8:54Speaker 3: clear and I don't give a fuck what his ies says,
- 8:56Speaker 3: because like they're gonna they're making it deeper than the Ravens.
- 8:59Speaker 3: There's no doubt.
- 9:00Speaker 5: How about that last game, man beat down, not beat
- 9:03Speaker 5: down the Chargers back door to seven, but hey, they
- 9:07Speaker 5: beat them.
- 9:08Speaker 3: They absolutely beat them, no doubt about it. But Lions
- 9:11Speaker 3: are very good. They're favored by ten. They can do
- 9:14Speaker 3: it anyway they want. We've seen it in the past
- 9:15Speaker 3: couple of weeks. They want to pound it with the run,
- 9:17Speaker 3: they can do it that way. If they want to
- 9:19Speaker 3: beat it by the past, they can do it that way.
- 9:22Speaker 3: And there's been games where they've done it both ways,
- 9:24Speaker 3: and everyone's kind of kind of gotten there a lot
- 9:26Speaker 3: of times in dfast when you see a spread of ten,
- 9:29Speaker 3: it's a spot for people to maybe avoid and that
- 9:32Speaker 3: they don't want access to it. And Lions are willing
- 9:35Speaker 3: to continue to put it up if it's available. They're
- 9:38Speaker 3: at home, it's on Thanksgiving, Bears are it's a division
- 9:42Speaker 3: game for the Lions. They're projected to score twenty nine points,
- 9:46Speaker 3: probably their standard hobnoutly for the rest of the year,
- 9:48Speaker 3: they're probably going to be projected to score between twenty
- 9:50Speaker 3: eight and thirty. It doesn't matter who they're playing. Their
- 9:53Speaker 3: offense is so good, so dynamic, and it's a really
- 9:57Speaker 3: good spot and I think you want to expose it's hard.
- 10:00Speaker 3: It's very hard team to predict. I mean, someone mentioned
- 10:02Speaker 3: it really is because kind of is it going to
- 10:06Speaker 3: be a manra Is it going to be Jamison Williams.
- 10:08Speaker 3: Laporte has really done nothing this year, but his price
- 10:10Speaker 3: is not cheap. You have two running backs that get
- 10:13Speaker 3: a lot of work, but it's a smaller slate, like
- 10:15Speaker 3: if they score four touchdowns, it could easily be Gibbs
- 10:19Speaker 3: and Montgomery that each get too So I know that
- 10:22Speaker 3: question always pops up, like can you play two running
- 10:24Speaker 3: backs from the same team, and when you're talking about
- 10:27Speaker 3: the Lions, I think absolutely you can play both these
- 10:29Speaker 3: guys on a small slate. I mean it is the
- 10:31Speaker 3: price is getting up there, but weird things can happen
- 10:34Speaker 3: on a small three game stay, especially when we have
- 10:36Speaker 3: a game where the total is thirty seven, so very
- 10:39Speaker 3: low game that could potentially be ugly. You know, the
- 10:43Speaker 3: joke in the in the chat earlier in the Discover
- 10:45Speaker 3: is about, you know, little Tim Patrick at three point
- 10:47Speaker 3: five k I will be playing. He just doesn't really
- 10:49Speaker 3: what I've realized with him. Obviously, I've watched basically every
- 10:51Speaker 3: minute of the Lions this season. He does really good
- 10:54Speaker 3: on these breakaway plays where you know, Golf doesn't go
- 10:56Speaker 3: out of the pocket much and roll out, but when
- 10:58Speaker 3: everything else is covered and Goff does escape pressure like
- 11:02Speaker 3: he I don't know if he's looking to Tim Patrick,
- 11:04Speaker 3: but that's where Tim Patrick has had success. And he's
- 11:07Speaker 3: at thirty five. On the Bear side, you know they
- 11:11Speaker 3: have three potential pass catchers, all pretty cheap Moore, Allen o'doons.
- 11:15Speaker 3: I have to imagine they're playing from behind. Caleb Williams
- 11:18Speaker 3: really cheap too, at five to three kind of back
- 11:20Speaker 3: toward that big game last week the Giants Cowboys. I'm
- 11:23Speaker 3: gonna I'm going with my guy in age here and
- 11:26Speaker 3: I actually have already bet this, and I think I'll
- 11:28Speaker 3: end up betting Moore. You know I don't. I'm not
- 11:30Speaker 3: a huge sports better, never said to be one, but
- 11:32Speaker 3: I think this is a slam dunk spot for the Cowboys,
- 11:35Speaker 3: like I think Cowboys at Home. It's two teams going
- 11:39Speaker 3: not in a different direction. But the Giants don't have
- 11:42Speaker 3: interest in winning football games. Like they're done, Like they're
- 11:44Speaker 3: on too now Drew Lock, who I guess some people
- 11:47Speaker 3: think is upgrade. I don't like. They're not in the
- 11:50Speaker 3: business of winning football games. They're going number one pick
- 11:53Speaker 3: Dallas obviously out of playoff contention, but too much pride.
- 11:56Speaker 3: They still want to win these football games. They still
- 11:58Speaker 3: want Jerry Jones, Jerry Jones wants to win football talking
- 12:01Speaker 3: about a freaking contract extension for Mike McCarthy, Like how
- 12:05Speaker 3: stupid is that? So I think Dallas wants to win.
- 12:09Speaker 3: The Giants aren't interested winning. To me, this bread should
- 12:12Speaker 3: be like seven, to be honest with you, I think
- 12:14Speaker 3: Cobley should be favored by seven. They're favored by three
- 12:16Speaker 3: and a half. I already bet it. I'm gonna bet more.
- 12:19Speaker 3: Our guy Naid's in the chat kind of thinking the
- 12:21Speaker 3: same thing. I'll end up putting a lot of money
- 12:24Speaker 3: on this game. And like I said, I think it's
- 12:26Speaker 3: the best bet since the Jake Paul bet. You know,
- 12:29Speaker 3: we really planted our flag with Jake Paul, planned my
- 12:32Speaker 3: flag tomorrow with Dallas as a very solid bet just
- 12:34Speaker 3: three and a half now. First time I bet it,
- 12:37Speaker 3: I just did the alt line and took it down
- 12:38Speaker 3: to three, you know, a little security they're going with
- 12:41Speaker 3: the three. But again, we're not big into endorsing sports bets,
- 12:44Speaker 3: but I really like Dallas Cooper rush at forty eight hundred.
- 12:47Speaker 3: You know, he's put up eighteen when it was at
- 12:50Speaker 3: nineteen and twenty Fantasy points in the last two finally
- 12:53Speaker 3: getting some continuity with this offense. Ceedee Lamb I think
- 12:56Speaker 3: is a really solid option schoonmaker. And then we talked
- 13:00Speaker 3: about spam Ford at tight end Rico didn't double getting
- 13:04Speaker 3: all the work he had like twenty touches last week.
- 13:06Speaker 3: So I think Dallas is in a really good spot
- 13:08Speaker 3: fantasy and if you want to bet on the game,
- 13:11Speaker 3: really like Dallas to really beat the hell out of
- 13:14Speaker 3: the Giants, and then the last game, you know, Miami
- 13:16Speaker 3: and green Bay two offenses that can get it done
- 13:20Speaker 3: for sure. I guess injury situation on Green Bay with
- 13:24Speaker 3: Romeo Dobs out now Wicks at forty two hundred will
- 13:27Speaker 3: probably be one of the more popular plays just because
- 13:29Speaker 3: of the price tag. Bo Melton at thirty one, don't
- 13:32Speaker 3: sleep on him. He randomly gets like deep looks from
- 13:36Speaker 3: from Jordan Love tucker Craft, and then you know Josh
- 13:39Speaker 3: Jacob's coming off the big game. I have a feeling
- 13:41Speaker 3: that Miami stuff is going to go a little overlooked.
- 13:44Speaker 3: Maybe on the slate. There's this thing with Miami playing
- 13:48Speaker 3: in cold weather cities where they can't produce. I'm not
- 13:51Speaker 3: putting too much stock into that just because it's a
- 13:53Speaker 3: three game slate and I don't think you can really
- 13:55Speaker 3: be all that picky with weather situations and you know,
- 13:58Speaker 3: teams playing in colder conditions. I think Miami is a
- 14:01Speaker 3: very interesting team on the slate because outside of John
- 14:04Speaker 3: Us Smith, I think a lot of it has the
- 14:07Speaker 3: potential getting squeezed a little bit. So breakdown there thoughts
- 14:12Speaker 3: on each game, and then we'll go through and talk
- 14:15Speaker 3: position by position.
- 14:16Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you did a good job for both
- 14:17Speaker 2: of us kind of covering that, but tit. I'll give
- 14:19Speaker 2: you a chance just if there's anything else between those games.
- 14:21Speaker 2: Obviously we'll get to position by position, but just anything
- 14:23Speaker 2: else you wanted to add on top of all the
- 14:25Speaker 2: breakdown Hoop gave.
- 14:27Speaker 5: It just looks really like the first game Lions are
- 14:29Speaker 5: going to get a bunch of ownership at various positions
- 14:32Speaker 5: because they're implied for a ton of points. They put
- 14:34Speaker 5: up a lot of points always and they spread it around.
- 14:37Speaker 5: Give Montgomery both minus one seventy five to score. Jacob
- 14:40Speaker 5: is the best at minus one eighty. Definitely can play
- 14:42Speaker 5: both together bearside. Though Cale Williams is cheap, we'll get
- 14:46Speaker 5: some ownership. Looks like Keenan Allen's really the only one
- 14:49Speaker 5: after that. Cale Williams nine and a half point dogs
- 14:52Speaker 5: been using his legs a lot lately, thirty one and
- 14:54Speaker 5: a half rushing prop and you compare him with a
- 14:56Speaker 5: lower on more a Done's eight. Swift's going to be
- 14:58Speaker 5: a little low owned. So I think Bears is a
- 15:01Speaker 5: spot for low ownership. The next game, both Cowboys and Giants,
- 15:04Speaker 5: I think Almost everybody on the Giants is gonna be
- 15:06Speaker 5: low owned on a three game slate, like in that
- 15:09Speaker 5: five dollars lotto. When I'm trying to win it all
- 15:11Speaker 5: with as few as possible, you have to get crazy.
- 15:14Speaker 5: I just naturally will play the lowest owned team, and
- 15:17Speaker 5: I'm glad it's Drew Lock and not to Beto. I
- 15:18Speaker 5: do think he's better. I won't give takes. I'm not
- 15:21Speaker 5: betting either side. Hoop has been money. Go with the Cowboys.
- 15:25Speaker 5: You're coming on board with Dallas?
- 15:27Speaker 3: No, yeah you are.
- 15:28Speaker 5: I'm not going against Drew Lock, Baby, come on, Drew Lock.
- 15:30Speaker 5: I can't Cowboys Cowboys side. Yeah, we'll get into it.
- 15:36Speaker 5: But Rico is gonna be one of the most popular
- 15:38Speaker 5: plays on the slate. How do you leverage Rico Chalk?
- 15:40Speaker 5: It's because of his price and his usage last week.
- 15:43Speaker 4: How do you leverage it?
- 15:43Speaker 5: You play Cooper Rush in the passing game. Ceedee will
- 15:46Speaker 5: have ownership, but people won't play Cooper Rush there, and
- 15:49Speaker 5: I think more will be willing to play Lock, which
- 15:51Speaker 5: also lowers Cooper Rush's ownership. So obviously that second game
- 15:55Speaker 5: is low owned, lowest total Packers Dolphins.
- 15:58Speaker 4: Packers are going to get some ownership.
- 16:00Speaker 5: But yeah, the no Dobbs is huge and shot out
- 16:03Speaker 5: a great shout from Hoop about the Melton. Him and
- 16:06Speaker 5: Wicks were pretty much just splitting the snaps last week.
- 16:09Speaker 5: Now they both will be rotating in. Wicks is gonna
- 16:12Speaker 5: be way way higher owned. I do think bou Mountain's interesting.
- 16:15Speaker 5: Watson read as well, tight ends loaded to craft there
- 16:19Speaker 5: Dolphins side. I don't think people really want to go
- 16:21Speaker 5: to the Dolphins outside of John and who's been a
- 16:23Speaker 5: beast and a chain. So if you want to get
- 16:25Speaker 5: Dolphins passing game low owned, you don't believe in the
- 16:27Speaker 5: weather stuff, you can do that.
- 16:29Speaker 4: So Lions.
- 16:32Speaker 5: Packers, I guess the two Chalkys teams on the slate,
- 16:34Speaker 5: and I think there's individual low owned pieces we can target.
- 16:37Speaker 2: Yeah, I love this stack ranking on these packers too. Baby,
- 16:40Speaker 2: let's get Lucky triple seven over here. We got seven
- 16:42Speaker 2: seven seven and I like those calls. I think the
- 16:44Speaker 2: Melton one is interesting. I also think Watson, if everyone's
- 16:47Speaker 2: going to decide between Red and Wicks, and Wicks for
- 16:49Speaker 2: good reason, he's cheaper, but seven hundred bucks more. Watson's
- 16:52Speaker 2: a deep shot guy. It has to.
- 16:53Speaker 3: Happen that drop that drop was so bad whatever it
- 16:56Speaker 3: is that last week? Oh yeah, awful? Yeah, guy, man,
- 17:01Speaker 3: I know this is getting sidetracked a little bit, but man,
- 17:04Speaker 3: how the hell do the Chargers keep rolling out that
- 17:06Speaker 3: Quinton Johnson? That was the worst stretch of a receiver
- 17:09Speaker 3: I think I've ever seen in the NFL. That was
- 17:11Speaker 3: beyond pathetic.
- 17:12Speaker 4: That was terrible.
- 17:13Speaker 2: Quinton drops and he could not keep a ball in
- 17:16Speaker 2: his hand. So I just think, you know, little things
- 17:19Speaker 2: like that is what I'll be looking at. I did
- 17:21Speaker 2: not expect to see a couple of things. One was
- 17:23Speaker 2: the ownership being lighter on these Dolphins. I think you know,
- 17:26Speaker 2: that's kind of one of the more condensed offenses in
- 17:28Speaker 2: a big total with a close spread. You know, that's
- 17:30Speaker 2: kind of what you're looking for on a three game slate.
- 17:32Speaker 2: And then even I don't know if I fully believe
- 17:34Speaker 2: this will have full updates by tomorrow, but you know,
- 17:37Speaker 2: either of you guys, did anyone have a take on
- 17:38Speaker 2: these giants because it's showing much more than I expected
- 17:42Speaker 2: on Neighbors and Tracy, I guess based on this slate
- 17:45Speaker 2: for ownership, do you think it's in or around there
- 17:48Speaker 2: or do you think they come down quite a bit
- 17:49Speaker 2: once you get through looking at some of these other spots.
- 17:52Speaker 5: I think I think Tracy will be used as a
- 17:55Speaker 5: leverage place, so maybe a little less than we have,
- 17:57Speaker 5: but I do think a lot of people will embrace
- 17:59Speaker 5: the you. They want to win it off top with
- 18:01Speaker 5: as few as people as possible. If they see Rico
- 18:04Speaker 5: being very popular, how do you get different go to
- 18:06Speaker 5: the other side of that game. So I think it
- 18:08Speaker 5: might come down a little bit, and then the neighbors, like,
- 18:10Speaker 5: I know, I mpen up lock a little bit, but
- 18:12Speaker 5: his his concentrated target share and a pivot in the
- 18:17Speaker 5: CD LAMB stuff there. I do think that neighbor's one's
- 18:20Speaker 5: probably right, and I still have interest at that price too.
- 18:23Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope that. I hope that's true. What has
- 18:25Speaker 3: it shown thirty percent? That was thirty thirty thirty percent
- 18:29Speaker 3: dead teams right there?
- 18:30Speaker 2: Good neighbors? Yeah yeah, I mean there was after the
- 18:36Speaker 2: game talking shit and he was suddenly got to talk
- 18:38Speaker 2: to devs. He said like, it ain't me like I've
- 18:40Speaker 2: been locked, Why are you waiting this long to get
- 18:42Speaker 2: me the ball? And then Tyreek got it. I know
- 18:44Speaker 2: he's got a little que tag or whatever, but he's
- 18:46Speaker 2: got a squeaky wheel narrative narrative as well. He was
- 18:49Speaker 2: quote posting shit where people were like, why don't you
- 18:51Speaker 2: throw it to everyone? But Tyreek he said, yeah, throw
- 18:54Speaker 2: it to me, like he's right on top of that.
- 18:56Speaker 2: And two more little things and then we'll go to
- 18:58Speaker 2: the quarterback position with you. Who won? One is how
- 19:01Speaker 2: do you get different on the Rico Dawdle stuff? You
- 19:03Speaker 2: play Zeke on Thanksgiving because if they're really gonna he
- 19:06Speaker 2: always hops in a little bin and.
- 19:08Speaker 3: He's always ready to He's always ready to eat.
- 19:10Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, try it out. You know the Jerry Jones,
- 19:13Speaker 2: like the chats already talking about they're just going to
- 19:15Speaker 2: try and smash his team in and that's their one
- 19:17Speaker 2: cool thing all season. But we beat the Giants with
- 19:20Speaker 2: back up, backup on Thanksgiving.
- 19:22Speaker 3: Oh congrat I see how they want that though. That's
- 19:25Speaker 3: what I'm telling you, that Dallas, Dallas wants that. They
- 19:27Speaker 3: want it. That is like big for them, and they
- 19:30Speaker 3: want it like they're a bad team, but they want
- 19:32Speaker 3: this man like it's a I.
- 19:34Speaker 4: Think the Giants do too, though. I think Dave Lot's
- 19:38Speaker 4: not going to go up there and try and lose like.
- 19:40Speaker 5: No is gonna find a way to Actually, I don't
- 19:44Speaker 5: want to put a lot.
- 19:46Speaker 2: I don't want their left tackle too. I think they're
- 19:49Speaker 2: down their left tackle the.
- 19:50Speaker 3: Favorite to get the number one pick, like they're down
- 19:52Speaker 3: to their third quarterback.
- 19:53Speaker 4: These quarterbacks go out there and try and lose like no.
- 19:56Speaker 3: One's not saying that.
- 19:57Speaker 2: I'm not.
- 19:58Speaker 3: I'm definitely not like the coaches.
- 19:59Speaker 4: I'll the GMS might want to.
- 20:01Speaker 5: These players are not going to go out there and
- 20:02Speaker 5: try and lose the game disadvantage for they want.
- 20:07Speaker 2: Yeah, Drew locks a gamer, dude, That's why I'm the
- 20:09Speaker 2: title on that part. He's gonna go out and try
- 20:11Speaker 2: and shove I Just the problem is it can get
- 20:13Speaker 2: shoved back pretty quickly, and then that's a problem for him,
- 20:16Speaker 2: and it's a problem for the slate if it's the
- 20:18Speaker 2: Dallas d at thirty one hundred, because they're going to
- 20:20Speaker 2: be very high owned base. Yeah, and then as I
- 20:24Speaker 2: kick at you for quarterback, first, give me your final
- 20:26Speaker 2: thoughts on my just other nugget that I saw. Her
- 20:28Speaker 2: little tidbit was the Q tag David Montgomery, which you know,
- 20:32Speaker 2: Campbell's always good with the coach speed. Sounds like it's
- 20:34Speaker 2: going to be all good. This is the what you know,
- 20:37Speaker 2: revenge game kind of former Bear. And doesn't Montgomery just
- 20:41Speaker 2: always crush on Thanksgiving too, Like this is another spot
- 20:44Speaker 2: for him. Maybe it's a couple and I think people
- 20:46Speaker 2: were already primed up for Gibbs and the Q TAG
- 20:49Speaker 2: will scare them away. But if Montgomery's good, he's good.
- 20:51Speaker 2: And it's a three game slate, so I'm fine playing
- 20:54Speaker 2: them both. It's a short slate, like you said, but
- 20:55Speaker 2: I would prefer if he's going to be way lower.
- 20:58Speaker 2: I just like Montgomery anyway.
- 21:01Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there hasn't been situations where Dan Campbell
- 21:04Speaker 3: has you know, misled us by and I think like
- 21:07Speaker 3: Montgomery wasn't anything significant, Like did he come back. I
- 21:11Speaker 3: can't remember the exact situation, but it's not like he
- 21:13Speaker 3: was down on the field and couldn't. I think I'm
- 21:16Speaker 3: pretty sure he came back. Yeah, so he's he's good
- 21:19Speaker 3: to go. Dan Campbell's that he's good to go, And
- 21:21Speaker 3: I think it is a good situation between those two
- 21:23Speaker 3: because a lot of people that q tag is still there,
- 21:26Speaker 3: people are going to start building. This is a slate
- 21:28Speaker 3: where people will start building early. They're going to see
- 21:30Speaker 3: the queue tag and say, oh, you know what, if
- 21:32Speaker 3: Montgomery's questionable, I'll just go to Gibbs. I think getting
- 21:35Speaker 3: in on Montgomery, uh makes a ton of sense, like
- 21:39Speaker 3: a ton of sense, and we're showing the ownership at
- 21:42Speaker 3: what have we got on there? I think it does
- 21:49Speaker 3: end up water. I mean between the two. I think
- 21:51Speaker 3: it's more than probably a ten point gap between the two.
- 21:54Speaker 3: So I really like Montgomery's but obviously like Gibbs. And yeah,
- 21:58Speaker 3: Montgomery is very tough revenge situation here with Chicago game
- 22:02Speaker 3: script should fit him pretty well playing with a lead.
- 22:06Speaker 3: They're favored by ten. So really like the spot for Montgomerys.
- 22:09Speaker 3: That's a good call it And yeah, that Q tag
- 22:12Speaker 3: is still sitting next to his name.
- 22:14Speaker 2: Dable better hope he got the same picture as Mike
- 22:16Speaker 2: McCarthy has at the head office to keep his job
- 22:18Speaker 2: because that ain't gonna last very long either. I thought
- 22:20Speaker 2: he was gonna be fired after last week. It's been
- 22:22Speaker 2: a bad scene, like just yeah, gotta move on. I
- 22:24Speaker 2: guess now they just let it go though, because like
- 22:26Speaker 2: you said, they're just trying to move on get the pick.
- 22:28Speaker 2: So all right, who talk to us about these quarterbacks? Man,
- 22:31Speaker 2: we got six of them. We already talked Drew Locke,
- 22:33Speaker 2: you hit on some of the pieces when you went
- 22:34Speaker 2: through the game breakdowns. But where are we at here
- 22:36Speaker 2: going in to this slate quarterback position? Yeah?
- 22:39Speaker 3: I mean, I think the one thing that Title and
- 22:41Speaker 3: I have agreed on so far and most of the
- 22:43Speaker 3: stuff we've disagreed on, as the quarterback position, there's nothing
- 22:45Speaker 3: that really stands out as being like a super strong
- 22:49Speaker 3: play like I gotta play this guy. So whenever that
- 22:51Speaker 3: is the case, I think it just it's going to
- 22:53Speaker 3: get spread out, and probably even more so than what
- 22:56Speaker 3: we're showing. We got Caleb at twenty, we got Golf
- 22:59Speaker 3: at twenty one on, we have well Drew locks not
- 23:02Speaker 3: in there yet, but he's gonna probably be the lowest
- 23:04Speaker 3: doone Cooper rush, you know, at ten fourteen, So everyone
- 23:08Speaker 3: to me is gonna be probably between like ten and
- 23:12Speaker 3: twenty two. I'd say somewhere in that range. So there's
- 23:14Speaker 3: not like one guy that's gonna be forty percent on
- 23:16Speaker 3: and makes it very easy if you want to get
- 23:18Speaker 3: like way overweight on someone you feel better about. I
- 23:23Speaker 3: just I have a feeling the way this is set up,
- 23:26Speaker 3: and we can get your guys' take on it that
- 23:28Speaker 3: that Tua is the one that gets squeezed a little bit.
- 23:30Speaker 3: He does have similar upside to all these guys, but
- 23:33Speaker 3: I think people really buy into this Miami in cold
- 23:36Speaker 3: weather stuff, and I think he gets squeezed a little bit.
- 23:39Speaker 3: And man, he's got three legit targets. He's got, you know,
- 23:42Speaker 3: the Tyreek Hill refound, the connection with Wattle last week,
- 23:45Speaker 3: which we talked about on the show. And then Johnny
- 23:48Speaker 3: Smith has established himself as a very solid receiving tight end.
- 23:52Speaker 3: So I think he's the one that has a chance
- 23:53Speaker 3: to get, you know, maybe a little bit squeezed. But
- 23:56Speaker 3: the one on man that this Dallas team could I
- 23:59Speaker 3: have you sink me tomorrow. But I like the Cooper
- 24:02Speaker 3: Rush forty eight hundred. You can do a lot like
- 24:05Speaker 3: you can do a lot with Cooper Rush at forty
- 24:07Speaker 3: eight hundred. You have top wide receiver in ceed Lamb.
- 24:10Speaker 3: He's established a good connection with him. Got a cheap
- 24:13Speaker 3: tight end in Schoonmaker. A lot of people are going
- 24:16Speaker 3: to be playing Rico because he's cheap and the workload.
- 24:20Speaker 3: And then you got another tight end that you can play.
- 24:22Speaker 3: We talked about a little bit last week, span Ford
- 24:25Speaker 3: on the field to ton I think titles said like
- 24:27Speaker 3: fifty percent of the snatch he's on the field. Schoonmaker
- 24:30Speaker 3: caught the big touchdown last week could have easily been
- 24:32Speaker 3: span Ford. So you have two tight end plays. You
- 24:35Speaker 3: have CD Lamb and then you have some cheap wide
- 24:37Speaker 3: receivers that you compare him with on a three games
- 24:40Speaker 3: late Tolbert Turpin, and then it's Cook's playing. Yeah yeah,
- 24:48Speaker 3: so I don't know, he's still on the high I
- 24:51Speaker 3: I just want to pull that a limited participant so
- 24:55Speaker 3: they'd have to activate him. But to me, the Cooper
- 24:57Speaker 3: Rush stuff stands out. Gets you the ability a lot
- 25:01Speaker 3: of flexibility with roster constructions. You can get a Mon Rush,
- 25:04Speaker 3: Saint Brown in there. You can get some of the
- 25:06Speaker 3: higher priced guys on the slate if you want by
- 25:08Speaker 3: going to a guy like Cooper Rush. So I'm very
- 25:10Speaker 3: interested in the Cooper Rush stuff. Golf Caleb Williams, I
- 25:14Speaker 3: don't know. I'll probably I do typically like to narrow
- 25:18Speaker 3: it down a little bit on these smaller slates, but
- 25:20Speaker 3: at the quarterback position a little bit tough for me.
- 25:23Speaker 3: You know, I'll probably fade Drew Locke, who I do
- 25:26Speaker 3: think is gonna end up getting steep people. But whenever
- 25:28Speaker 3: someone new emerges on the slate as a play like,
- 25:30Speaker 3: people will get excited to play him. So I do
- 25:32Speaker 3: think he ends up probably getting in this group probably
- 25:35Speaker 3: tennis percent or so, maybe more, and I'll just probably
- 25:39Speaker 3: avoid that situation. I just I just can't get on
- 25:42Speaker 3: the Giant, especially with neighbors looking like thirty percent own
- 25:45Speaker 3: even if it's twenty five. Like, I just think he's
- 25:47Speaker 3: substantially worse than the other spends on the slate. So
- 25:50Speaker 3: I probably won't get to that, but I'm interested in
- 25:54Speaker 3: some degree in the other five, like the Caleb Williams
- 25:57Speaker 3: stuff starting to run a little bit. They're playing from behind.
- 25:59Speaker 3: I think you know he has capable guys to throw
- 26:01Speaker 3: it to Jordan Love. I mean, there's so many options
- 26:04Speaker 3: when you stack Jordan Love. You can go read Watson, Wis, Melton,
- 26:08Speaker 3: Tucker Craft, and you know you can play multiple of
- 26:12Speaker 3: those guys. You can do a lot of crazy stuff
- 26:14Speaker 3: on a three game slate. So I am interested in
- 26:16Speaker 3: the Love stuff. It all makes sense to me when
- 26:18Speaker 3: you start looking at stacking these quarterbacks with their pass
- 26:21Speaker 3: catchers besides the Giant situation. So yeah. I mean I'll
- 26:26Speaker 3: probably play five of them, and you know my big
- 26:30Speaker 3: stand will be Cooper Rush.
- 26:32Speaker 2: Yeah, so title before I kick it do. This is
- 26:34Speaker 2: the thing I would believe, the giant stuff like even
- 26:37Speaker 2: if Neighbors does stay like you said, and I believe it.
- 26:39Speaker 2: You know, you made a good case stor and I
- 26:40Speaker 2: could see that. I just I still believe it would
- 26:42Speaker 2: be like a lower drew Lock. People are just fine
- 26:44Speaker 2: with using him at seventy one hundred, fitting them in
- 26:47Speaker 2: across from Dowbtll, etcetera, etcetera, the squeaky wheel, all those things.
- 26:50Speaker 2: I don't believe the Tua one as much as what
- 26:53Speaker 2: Hoop was saying, because I actually think when it's a
- 26:56Speaker 2: condensed offense on the left side here with the Dolphins
- 26:58Speaker 2: versus the Packers, you have so much many ways to go.
- 27:01Speaker 2: I can see a lot of this twenty five point
- 27:03Speaker 2: six skating over here because people now know you can
- 27:06Speaker 2: stack them with a chin who's getting ownership. People know
- 27:08Speaker 2: if you're going Tyreek you want to get if you're
- 27:10Speaker 2: gonna get the full upside out of them, you probably
- 27:12Speaker 2: want them with Tua. And we know people are definitely
- 27:14Speaker 2: playing John hu Smith. So it's not really about who
- 27:17Speaker 2: I want to play as much as just saying I
- 27:19Speaker 2: just think the ownership looks about right, except I could
- 27:22Speaker 2: see some of the ownership go up on TUA for
- 27:24Speaker 2: the condensed offense, the high total, the close spread, and
- 27:27Speaker 2: when people really look at like the love side is it,
- 27:30Speaker 2: you know they already might want to be playing Jacobs.
- 27:32Speaker 2: We see the ownership there is it Reed Watson, Wicks,
- 27:34Speaker 2: Melton Craft. It gets a little bit harder to figure out.
- 27:37Speaker 2: And I really like Hoops call on the Cooper Rush stuff,
- 27:39Speaker 2: and you hinted at at earlier too, title just saying
- 27:41Speaker 2: like a way to leverage it up. So I'm definitely interested.
- 27:44Speaker 2: Maybe it gets a little late steam, but don't really
- 27:46Speaker 2: care Rush Lamb, pick somebody else with it. You could
- 27:49Speaker 2: just roll those two and fill it out elsewhere. So
- 27:50Speaker 2: I've got some interest in that spot as well. At
- 27:52Speaker 2: forty eight hundred, what's what's your takes here at quarterback?
- 27:55Speaker 5: Yeah, it's I think one of the closest like in
- 27:58Speaker 5: terms of ownership that we've had on a three game
- 28:01Speaker 5: slate that I can remember in a while. Usually it
- 28:02Speaker 5: just feels like we have one quarterback that is by
- 28:05Speaker 5: far ahead of the rest and that's not really the
- 28:07Speaker 5: case that we have.
- 28:08Speaker 4: So a Kill Williams is my favorite.
- 28:11Speaker 5: There's no doubt about that because in a dome nine
- 28:14Speaker 5: and a half point dogs has been using his legs
- 28:16Speaker 5: like the Lions should score points if they're from behind.
- 28:19Speaker 5: Cale Williams of forty eight minutes to chuck the ball
- 28:22Speaker 5: and run the ball, garbage time opportunities, his price tag
- 28:26Speaker 5: and you also what I like is cole comet like
- 28:28Speaker 5: tight ends loaded today on this late most slates, it's
- 28:31Speaker 5: been it feels this year. Running back's been great, tight
- 28:33Speaker 5: end's been great. I look at it both the same way.
- 28:35Speaker 5: Receiver isn't necessarily weak, but relative to the other positions,
- 28:39Speaker 5: I do think it's the weakest.
- 28:40Speaker 4: Weakest.
- 28:41Speaker 5: You can play Kal Williams with swift because he can
- 28:43Speaker 5: catch passes. Revenge game also will be low owned. Kill
- 28:47Speaker 5: Williams has the rushing upside. So if you just want
- 28:49Speaker 5: to go like eat keenan chalk and then pick a
- 28:51Speaker 5: doone'sday more comet, et cetera, there's plenty of ways to go.
- 28:54Speaker 5: So I do think he's the highest owned quarterback. It's
- 28:57Speaker 5: still what I'm going to be in Like I think
- 28:58Speaker 5: he's the best play I'm not worried about.
- 29:01Speaker 4: I like it a lot lionside.
- 29:04Speaker 5: You have to play golf, it feels like because golf
- 29:07Speaker 5: leverages off of some Gibbs Monty ownership as well. We've
- 29:10Speaker 5: seen games where golf airs it out. He gets the
- 29:13Speaker 5: three touchdowns three hundred plus yards. If that's the case,
- 29:16Speaker 5: you're gonna need them. And again the porta like not
- 29:19Speaker 5: low owned but tight ends loaded. Jamison Williams not very
- 29:22Speaker 5: high owned, no rain, then gives Patrick Abooz can play
- 29:25Speaker 5: amen Rah Neighbors getting ownership, land getting ownership of course
- 29:29Speaker 5: he will too, or you can play golf with Gibbs.
- 29:31Speaker 5: So so many ways to go. The first game is
- 29:34Speaker 5: definitely my favorite. I mentioned all the drew Lock stuff.
- 29:37Speaker 5: I like the drew Lock stuff more in terms of
- 29:39Speaker 5: one off pieces that it does for a Tracy A Neighbors,
- 29:42Speaker 5: a fo Johnson, a Lamb a Rico, because I think
- 29:45Speaker 5: he keeps the game more competitive. But comparing him to
- 29:48Speaker 5: Cale Williams at the price tag and going back and
- 29:51Speaker 5: looking at some of drew Locks games, he hasn't really
- 29:53Speaker 5: flashed that upside. I will be looking at props. I
- 29:55Speaker 5: don't see it yet I'll go to the Cowboys side.
- 29:58Speaker 5: It's kind of the same stuff.
- 29:59Speaker 3: Again.
- 29:59Speaker 5: If I'm playing one fifty, which I am playing the
- 30:01Speaker 5: five dollars, I think you should probably play all six
- 30:04Speaker 5: quarterbacks if you can build more competitive lineups in the
- 30:06Speaker 5: field with them, you can make a case from all
- 30:08Speaker 5: most people probably watching ten or less. I don't love
- 30:12Speaker 5: the Cooper Rush stuff relative to the late because I
- 30:15Speaker 5: do think when you go Cooper Rush, people will go
- 30:17Speaker 5: Ceedee Lamb and probably Schoonmaker. Jalen Tolbert would by far
- 30:21Speaker 5: be my favorite way to go. If I'm going Cowboys
- 30:23Speaker 5: or if I'm going Cooper Rush. He's on the field
- 30:25Speaker 5: almost one hundred percent of the time. He's overpriced, which
- 30:28Speaker 5: keeps his ownership low. But yeah, it hasn't been great
- 30:31Speaker 5: for him by any means. Cooper Rush, CD Schoonmaker, that's
- 30:34Speaker 5: what most people will do. It does leverage off Rico
- 30:37Speaker 5: and Cooper will be low enough. Ow I'm not saying
- 30:39Speaker 5: it's bad, but I'd rather then go to the quarterbacks
- 30:42Speaker 5: that are the third and fourth lowest owned, Jordan Love
- 30:45Speaker 5: and Tua. For all the stuff you said about Tua,
- 30:48Speaker 5: I mean, look at his past two games, Look at
- 30:49Speaker 5: what the Dolphins have been doing. You can playing with
- 30:52Speaker 5: a chan or you cannot playing with a chane, leverage
- 30:54Speaker 5: a little off eight chan. I know that's how you
- 30:56Speaker 5: say it. My brain programmed. Tyreek Hill Waddell can play
- 31:00Speaker 5: in both John new Smith's Ben and Beese. You can
- 31:03Speaker 5: play just two of them, like you said, you can
- 31:04Speaker 5: play with a chain, etc. So I'm gonna embrace the
- 31:07Speaker 5: Tua stuff again. Twenty one points they're implied for. That's
- 31:10Speaker 5: a lot. And Jordan Love, I mean kind of like
- 31:13Speaker 5: what you said. You can pare them in a bill
- 31:16Speaker 5: zillion different ways. Craft spend good Wicks, Watson, Reed Bow
- 31:20Speaker 5: mountains very much in play. And our man Newan's mentioned
- 31:23Speaker 5: Malik Heath he might get some routes. I think that's
- 31:26Speaker 5: a little too far out there for me. I prefer Showdown,
- 31:29Speaker 5: which we all have content for the Packers Dolphins game
- 31:32Speaker 5: in that. But you can play Love in so many
- 31:34Speaker 5: different ways, and it leverages off with some Josh Jacobs chalk.
- 31:37Speaker 3: Of course, you.
- 31:37Speaker 5: Can't play together. It's a two game slates. But I
- 31:40Speaker 5: think there's enough ways to play the four best quarterbacks
- 31:42Speaker 5: by far Goff, Williams, Tua Love and enough different pairings
- 31:47Speaker 5: where if I'm playing ten teams or less, I probably
- 31:49Speaker 5: won't play the rush lock stuff. I know I hyped
- 31:51Speaker 5: it up a little bit. Rush leverages off a rico.
- 31:54Speaker 5: I do think Drew Locke makes them better, but I
- 31:57Speaker 5: will play more individual pieces in that game. Played the
- 32:00Speaker 5: four quarterbacks in my twenty entry nets and stuff and
- 32:03Speaker 5: less stuff.
- 32:04Speaker 2: And where do you put the Drew Locke stuff?
- 32:06Speaker 4: Then yeah, no, I'm not. I'm not playing twenty teams
- 32:09Speaker 4: are least time.
- 32:09Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it was easy. I see you're not putting
- 32:12Speaker 2: in those ones.
- 32:12Speaker 3: But yeah, reverse quick reversal. We liked that title. Learned,
- 32:16Speaker 3: you learn, you learn, you learn quick, you learn quick,
- 32:19Speaker 3: quick learner.
- 32:21Speaker 4: You'll be in my one fifty.
- 32:22Speaker 2: I hope I ship with Drew Locke, and come on,
- 32:24Speaker 2: I really do too, because that'd be amazing for content.
- 32:27Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 32:28Speaker 2: The one thing I will say, the slate's not trick.
- 32:30Speaker 2: I wouldn't say tricky. It's fun, but man, this light
- 32:33Speaker 2: could be over before it starts like this first game.
- 32:35Speaker 2: It also has so many ways it can go. I
- 32:38Speaker 2: know the chat was talking about the overstack, but you
- 32:40Speaker 2: could actually see something like you could see goff Tim
- 32:44Speaker 2: Patrick or Jamison Williams and Laporta with like Odoonsay on
- 32:48Speaker 2: the other side. I know everybody wanted o'donsay last week
- 32:50Speaker 2: because it was jo Keenan Allen was just coming back
- 32:52Speaker 2: from injury, and it ended up being more and Allen.
- 32:55Speaker 2: But it could be like Jared Goff, Jamison Williams, Laporta, Odoonsay,
- 33:00Speaker 2: and if you don't have that, you're in trouble on
- 33:02Speaker 2: the slate with two full games to go. But gets
- 33:04Speaker 2: a little tricky when it's a shorter slate like this.
- 33:06Speaker 2: So I think that's what makes it most interesting to
- 33:08Speaker 2: have these pieces in this game and overstack. You can
- 33:10Speaker 2: overstack from the Caleb Williams side, pick a couple of receivers,
- 33:14Speaker 2: or even stack in a fourth with Comet, like two
- 33:16Speaker 2: receivers comet and put the running back in somebody else.
- 33:19Speaker 2: You can really get unique with this first game. I
- 33:22Speaker 2: think the only thing is that makes the rush stuff interesting.
- 33:24Speaker 2: And I know who you already talked about it, but
- 33:26Speaker 2: for me, it gets really easy after that. If I
- 33:29Speaker 2: put Rush, I don't need a double stack him even
- 33:31Speaker 2: I can just play him with one. And then it's
- 33:33Speaker 2: if I'm saying that's what got me there, it's like
- 33:35Speaker 2: I know I have to pick probably you know, a
- 33:37Speaker 2: Detroit running back and maybe like a PPR pass catcher,
- 33:40Speaker 2: and then I'm really focusing up on the last game
- 33:43Speaker 2: with Jacobs and and you know, Waddle or Tyreek or whatever.
- 33:46Speaker 2: It just makes it easier to build. I feel better
- 33:49Speaker 2: about my process when I start there. And yeah, I
- 33:51Speaker 2: saw that question. I'm I'm fine with that. But if
- 33:53Speaker 2: you want to go further, of course you can. What's
- 33:55Speaker 2: your thought?
- 33:56Speaker 3: Well, the reason for the Rush stuff is like, so
- 33:59Speaker 3: we get but we got three three games, so six
- 34:02Speaker 3: six total quarterbacks in I wouldn't be surprised if the
- 34:07Speaker 3: top quarterback score was like twenty two or something. Is
- 34:11Speaker 3: there guys that can go off? Yes, Tua can. He
- 34:14Speaker 3: just just went off. Love has gone off a lot,
- 34:17Speaker 3: Kayler Williams gone off, Jared Goff. But in the three
- 34:19Speaker 3: game slate, twenty two could be the winner. Can Cooper
- 34:23Speaker 3: Rush get anywhere close to that number? Well, he has
- 34:26Speaker 3: in the last two weeks, and uh, it opens up
- 34:29Speaker 3: some opportunities because if I'm playing him, probably not gonna
- 34:32Speaker 3: have Rico, who's almost like he's If you go into
- 34:35Speaker 3: an optimizer and just build teams, you're gonna get a
- 34:37Speaker 3: ton of total, You're gonna get a ton of Rico.
- 34:39Speaker 3: I mean, there's no doubt about it. He's fifty five hundred,
- 34:42Speaker 3: He's getting all the work. We're showing fifty ownership, so
- 34:46Speaker 3: it's somewhat of a leverage. And I just think that
- 34:48Speaker 3: I think Dallas has success offensively, So I'm way higher
- 34:52Speaker 3: on Dallas than most And that's a stand that I'm
- 34:54Speaker 3: gonna be taking on the slate. I think Dallas pounds
- 34:58Speaker 3: the Giants, so I'm gonna be building my teams like
- 35:01Speaker 3: that happens. I think they have a success offensively and defensively,
- 35:05Speaker 3: So that's what I'm going And I get like projections
- 35:07Speaker 3: are not going to show that by any means. Like
- 35:09Speaker 3: projections are not going to show Dallas there. I mean,
- 35:12Speaker 3: the spread in this game is still three and a half.
- 35:14Speaker 3: Got that big half line half a point of movement
- 35:18Speaker 3: when Drew Locke came in. So I'm just saying on
- 35:22Speaker 3: Dallas in a big way. And that's that's kind of,
- 35:25Speaker 3: you know, gonna be my stand on the slate.
- 35:27Speaker 4: Talk about that.
- 35:27Speaker 5: Tampo talked about his I want to hear your thoughts too,
- 35:30Speaker 5: because I've been going back and forth you're good with
- 35:33Speaker 5: just Russian CD or Russian schoon Maker or Russian Tolbert
- 35:37Speaker 5: or would it just be Rush CD or do you need.
- 35:38Speaker 3: To Oh fine, definitely fine with one. Yeah, definitely definitely
- 35:42Speaker 3: fine with just one of those guys. If you want
- 35:44Speaker 3: to do two, you can. Like if if you started
- 35:46Speaker 3: a team with like Rush and schoon Maker, you're gonna
- 35:49Speaker 3: be able to get the studs. I mean, you'll be
- 35:50Speaker 3: able to get all that, and you don't play CD.
- 35:52Speaker 3: You're gonna be getting a Monra. You're gonna be getting
- 35:55Speaker 3: a lot of Tyreek, and I mean you'll get neighbors
- 35:58Speaker 3: if if you keep them in there. I probably I
- 35:59Speaker 3: don't even know if I'll be keeping the neighbors in there,
- 36:01Speaker 3: but you will get the studs of the slate. It's cheap.
- 36:05Speaker 3: It's a cheap way to go.
- 36:06Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm only say one thing because I'm gonna go.
- 36:08Speaker 2: Do you on running back in a second? Who? But
- 36:09Speaker 2: you just that's what leading us down a good path
- 36:12Speaker 2: from a strategy perspective on a slate like this. So
- 36:14Speaker 2: Lee actually brought it up, and that's why I'm okay
- 36:16Speaker 2: with it. Like raw points matter so much, there's probably
- 36:19Speaker 2: gonna be five. You know players that you need, and
- 36:21Speaker 2: maybe you can only get four of them into a line.
- 36:23Speaker 2: We'll have to wait and see how it goes. That's
- 36:24Speaker 2: sometimes how it is on these type of slates. And
- 36:27Speaker 2: like he says, and as what who just alluded to,
- 36:29Speaker 2: quarterback scoring can be pretty flat. It ends up being
- 36:31Speaker 2: the ceilings you need elsewhere. Everyone assumes when you go
- 36:34Speaker 2: rush you get the ceiling from Lamb. But it could
- 36:36Speaker 2: be Rush to Tolbert Rush, Tolbert Schoonmaker like those. It's
- 36:40Speaker 2: cheap dudes in with them. Tolbert caught a touchdown, Schoonmaker
- 36:43Speaker 2: caught one. Could be that, And now you get to
- 36:45Speaker 2: build in the maximum amount everywhere, and you kind of
- 36:47Speaker 2: know where you stand at that point. If you don't
- 36:49Speaker 2: love picking between the bears, maybe it's Jamior Gibbs or
- 36:53Speaker 2: Monty or both. If it's a Chan Jacob's Tyreek, you
- 36:57Speaker 2: can start to really put in the ones you feel
- 36:59Speaker 2: best about. If it's not CD. So I kind of
- 37:01Speaker 2: like that's what I was I was hitting at and
- 37:02Speaker 2: everyone sort of led to it. Here was when you
- 37:05Speaker 2: are on the Cooper rush stuff, you almost feel really good.
- 37:07Speaker 2: It's either him and CD or stacking onto that, or
- 37:11Speaker 2: you can avoid CD to just say Rush gets there
- 37:13Speaker 2: and somebody else and then you allows you to stack
- 37:16Speaker 2: in all the studs that you can see those ceilings from.
- 37:18Speaker 2: So I will say this hoop as I kick it
- 37:20Speaker 2: to you for running back, if you just took it
- 37:22Speaker 2: from a broad you know, ten thousand foot perspective, it's
- 37:25Speaker 2: the Lions smash and it's the run game. It's the
- 37:28Speaker 2: Cowboys smash, and it's the run game. And then even
- 37:31Speaker 2: for the Packers Dolphins, like I think even though the
- 37:34Speaker 2: pass passing game shows some it's still Jacobs getting it.
- 37:37Speaker 2: So I just feel like everyone thinks every game is
- 37:39Speaker 2: just going to be run, run, Run, run, run, and
- 37:41Speaker 2: the fastest Thanksgiving Slate ever. Like I know, the games
- 37:43Speaker 2: only start when they start, but it'll be the three
- 37:45Speaker 2: fastest games of all time. Like, what's your thoughts as
- 37:47Speaker 2: we go to running back, because that's the setup here.
- 37:50Speaker 3: Yeah, And the one thing I did want to add on, like,
- 37:53Speaker 3: Caleb Williams and Cooper Rusher relatively close to only five
- 37:57Speaker 3: hundred dollars in difference, and Caleb Williams is going to
- 38:00Speaker 3: get a lot of ownership. Obviously, I'm a big support
- 38:03Speaker 3: of the Troy Lions. I'm a big fan, so this
- 38:05Speaker 3: is somewhat biased, but man, they have just shut teams
- 38:08Speaker 3: down like the past few weeks, like when they have
- 38:10Speaker 3: a lead. I don't know what the stat is, but
- 38:12Speaker 3: like the second I'm sure someone in the chet probably
- 38:14Speaker 3: knows off the top of their head, but like second half,
- 38:17Speaker 3: playing with the lead, they have just shut teams down defensively.
- 38:20Speaker 3: And if you're playing Caleb Williams, you're playing him under
- 38:23Speaker 3: the mindset that they're playing from behind, which you know rightfully.
- 38:27Speaker 3: So they're ten point underdogs and they're being able to
- 38:29Speaker 3: move the ball in the second half, but the Lions
- 38:32Speaker 3: defense has just shut I mean it's like a snake
- 38:35Speaker 3: that starts wrapping around your neck and then you know,
- 38:38Speaker 3: cuts off the air supply. That's how good this defense
- 38:41Speaker 3: had been in the second half of these games playing
- 38:44Speaker 3: with the lead. So you know, I don't mind moving
- 38:47Speaker 3: some of that to Cooper Rush. I mean, yes, Caleb
- 38:49Speaker 3: Williams could get there, but the floors low. I mean,
- 38:51Speaker 3: he could end up with like twelve Fantasy points or
- 38:53Speaker 3: something on this on the slate if the Lions get
- 38:56Speaker 3: a lead and you know, do what they've been doing.
- 38:58Speaker 3: The last couple of weeks. So that is an other
- 39:00Speaker 3: reason why I'm going to be a little higher on
- 39:02Speaker 3: Cooper Rush Hoop.
- 39:04Speaker 2: The the one liners you've been getting better at, but
- 39:06Speaker 2: the analogies are just getting dial This man talking about
- 39:08Speaker 2: a snake wrapping around your neck and then just cutting
- 39:11Speaker 2: off the circulation in the second half. These Lions, man,
- 39:13Speaker 2: he's that's what.
- 39:15Speaker 3: That's what the Lions are going to do to title
- 39:17Speaker 3: in the playoffs. This quick.
- 39:20Speaker 4: That three and a half line now down to three?
- 39:22Speaker 3: Oh okay, thank you. Now time to time to refire.
- 39:26Speaker 3: Thank you for putting that out. Firing, refiring right now?
- 39:29Speaker 3: Where's half?
- 39:30Speaker 4: And you'll keep firing?
- 39:31Speaker 2: That's what That's what who gets for buying the little
- 39:34Speaker 2: the little home line over there? Now you didn't even
- 39:37Speaker 2: heed it. Where Drew lock money? Man, that's all you
- 39:41Speaker 2: need to do.
- 39:42Speaker 3: Where's the three? I don't see it?
- 39:44Speaker 4: Draft DraftKings.
- 39:45Speaker 2: Time to go refire.
- 39:48Speaker 5: Minus one eighteen Cowboys minus one oh two plus three
- 39:50Speaker 5: for the Giants.
- 39:51Speaker 3: Thank you all right. Let me let me know it.
- 39:54Speaker 3: Let me know when Drew Locke moves it to two
- 39:56Speaker 3: and a half, and I'll fire even more. Sounds good.
- 40:00Speaker 2: A bad day if you got to do the dong
- 40:02Speaker 2: bong and lose all the lock man. That's gonna be get.
- 40:05Speaker 3: All my all, my Jake Paul money is going on
- 40:07Speaker 3: Dallas tomorrow, just so everyone knows.
- 40:09Speaker 2: Where's it at. Though, Hoop I do got to stick
- 40:11Speaker 2: up with you for two seconds. This one second hoop
- 40:13Speaker 2: just fired. You can hoop do shit on someone so
- 40:15Speaker 2: we can play them. What happened with JK. Dobbins.
- 40:17Speaker 3: I told you it wasn't even that. I mean, it
- 40:18Speaker 3: sucks that he got injured too, because he was not
- 40:20Speaker 3: going to be on optimal. I'll tell you that he's
- 40:22Speaker 3: not going to be on optimal. The call was accurate.
- 40:24Speaker 3: This ship on play for sure is neighbors man Like
- 40:28Speaker 3: I think neighbors are terrible, play worst, playless light.
- 40:31Speaker 2: There we go. Uh did you still want to talk
- 40:34Speaker 2: about running back or do you want me to go
- 40:35Speaker 2: to title first?
- 40:36Speaker 3: Uh? So, yeah, I'm good with running back. We kind
- 40:38Speaker 3: of talked about the Detroit situation, which is very important
- 40:42Speaker 3: obviously at the running back position. Two guys that can
- 40:44Speaker 3: can get the job done. Talk about in the opening
- 40:47Speaker 3: fine playing both of them. I mean they're they're projected
- 40:50Speaker 3: to score thirty. I mean these guys, we've seen it
- 40:52Speaker 3: this year. It could be two to Gibbs, two to Montgomery.
- 40:55Speaker 3: Will not be creating a rule to avoid that. I'd
- 40:58Speaker 3: be fine playing both of them together. How much will
- 41:02Speaker 3: I get We'll see.
- 41:02Speaker 2: You know.
- 41:02Speaker 3: I'm gonna build teams this afternoon, this evening, but I
- 41:05Speaker 3: will not be I will have some teams if both
- 41:07Speaker 3: on there. I guess it's the way she said. I
- 41:09Speaker 3: do like I don't know if it was your call
- 41:11Speaker 3: or we kind of alluded to it with the Montgomery
- 41:14Speaker 3: questionable tag. I think Montgomery is a really solid play.
- 41:17Speaker 3: I don't think he's injured. I think he's totally fine.
- 41:20Speaker 3: Pretty sure. He came back in that game after Dan
- 41:22Speaker 3: Campbell never once indicated that he was in any risk
- 41:25Speaker 3: of missing this game. He said it. I think on
- 41:27Speaker 3: Monday he came out and said that, yeah, Montgomery is good.
- 41:30Speaker 3: You got nothing to worry about there. So I believe that.
- 41:32Speaker 3: I do think the difference in ownership grows between Gibbs
- 41:36Speaker 3: and Montgomery because of that questionable tag. So I think
- 41:39Speaker 3: Montgomery is a really solid play. At sixty five hundred,
- 41:43Speaker 3: I could see it coming down. I mean, we're saying
- 41:44Speaker 3: twenty nine. I wouldn't be surprised if it's mid twenties,
- 41:48Speaker 3: twenty four, twenty five range. And to me, if that's
- 41:51Speaker 3: the case on David Montgomery, like he's a phenomenal play.
- 41:54Speaker 3: We've seen it on these slates so many times where
- 41:56Speaker 3: like the winning score at running back is like I
- 41:59Speaker 3: don't know, twelve thirteen. Like if a lot of these
- 42:01Speaker 3: guys bust, which could definitely happen. Swift could bust easily,
- 42:04Speaker 3: Tracy could definitely bust Dodo could I like Dallas, you
- 42:08Speaker 3: could easily bust a Chan and Jacob's Like there's no
- 42:12Speaker 3: slam dunk running back plays on the slate. Yeah, do
- 42:14Speaker 3: I think a couple of them go off. Yeah, but
- 42:16Speaker 3: there's routes where twelve or thirteen is the winner. David
- 42:19Speaker 3: Montgomery think is a really really good play on the slate.
- 42:22Speaker 3: I'll probably fade Deandre's. Swift don't have much interest there,
- 42:29Speaker 3: Tracy not a ton of interest. More on fan Duel.
- 42:32Speaker 3: I would say that sixty five hundred price taken go
- 42:34Speaker 3: a long way. I'm in on Dallas. I know Dodeal
- 42:36Speaker 3: is gonna be popular. I'm actually you know, more interested
- 42:39Speaker 3: I think in the Cooper Rush stuff. But Dodell will
- 42:41Speaker 3: definitely be a part if I think Dallas is smashing
- 42:43Speaker 3: the giants, which I do like, Dodell has to be
- 42:46Speaker 3: a big part of what I end up doing here.
- 42:48Speaker 3: And then you know Jacobs and a chain. How were
- 42:51Speaker 3: we supposed to say titled a Chan the proper pronunciation, but.
- 42:59Speaker 2: It's like Odo the bird or something you're from the
- 43:01Speaker 2: Rico Dodo for dow that's amazing?
- 43:04Speaker 4: Is it is?
- 43:04Speaker 3: It is dowtll? Is that how you pronounce it?
- 43:14Speaker 2: The chest? I think definitely not definitely what what what
- 43:19Speaker 2: about how these guys could obviously bust to the previous are.
- 43:24Speaker 3: Clearly yeah, yeah, both are clearly in play, like a
- 43:30Speaker 3: Chan and uh and Jacob's I mean, Jacob's just absolutely
- 43:34Speaker 3: went off, like if they're playing with the lead, they'll
- 43:36Speaker 3: they'll feed him and he has huge upsides, so just
- 43:39Speaker 3: kind of get tight. I mean, a Chan at seventy seven,
- 43:42Speaker 3: I do think has a chance to maybe get squeezed
- 43:44Speaker 3: a little bit on the slate. I think a lot.
- 43:47Speaker 3: I I I think a lot of the Miami stuff
- 43:50Speaker 3: gets gets squeezed a little bit. And I don't know,
- 43:52Speaker 3: I think I think comes in at a lower number
- 43:55Speaker 3: than a lot of people are thinking, I know you're
- 43:56Speaker 3: You're kind of on the opposite side of that. I
- 43:58Speaker 3: just think Miami is the team that people at the
- 44:02Speaker 3: end of the day can live without, and they're gonna
- 44:04Speaker 3: want to be on Detroit. The Chicago stuff makes sense
- 44:08Speaker 3: because of the price tags. The Packers stuff for sure
- 44:11Speaker 3: is going to be owned. I think that Miami is
- 44:14Speaker 3: the team that people will say, all right, if I
- 44:16Speaker 3: have to cut ties with, you know, some some ownership,
- 44:18Speaker 3: it's going to be with the Miami Dolphins. So I
- 44:21Speaker 3: think a chan at seventy seven could come in a
- 44:24Speaker 3: little bit lower. What are we showing, we're showing thirty two.
- 44:28Speaker 3: I think it could end up maybe in the twenties.
- 44:30Speaker 3: And yeah, I definitely like him. He has so many
- 44:32Speaker 3: outs like trailing gamescript, playing from the lead, pass catching
- 44:36Speaker 3: stuff like he's perfect. So, I mean, you got a
- 44:39Speaker 3: lot of solid but Montgomery I think is a big
- 44:41Speaker 3: talking point for sure on the slave Yeah.
- 44:43Speaker 2: It could be phenomenal for me. I mean, I kind
- 44:45Speaker 2: of hope you're right at this point. It's the most
- 44:46Speaker 2: condensed offense I think that I can find on the
- 44:48Speaker 2: slate where I actually know what they would do. And
- 44:50Speaker 2: I love your last call you just made is they
- 44:52Speaker 2: could be up on the Packers. It's through those guys.
- 44:55Speaker 2: They could be down on the Packers. It's not like
- 44:57Speaker 2: they're you know, not serviceable. They can find their way
- 45:00Speaker 2: through those guys. It's a big boy game to round
- 45:03Speaker 2: out the slate. I think, like I said, I think
- 45:04Speaker 2: people are just honing in on this first one and
- 45:06Speaker 2: then you know, even with the blow up perspective, they're
- 45:08Speaker 2: just getting so many pieces. You could see, and I'll
- 45:11Speaker 2: kick you in a sec title, but you could see
- 45:12Speaker 2: like the inverse of what I talked about earlier, like
- 45:15Speaker 2: you could see Montgomery and Comet is what you need,
- 45:18Speaker 2: and that's it. Montgomery crushes and he's just the only
- 45:21Speaker 2: one needed out of the first game. And so you
- 45:23Speaker 2: just take that and move on to the next games
- 45:25Speaker 2: with your your staggered start and your late swap. And
- 45:27Speaker 2: then Comet is just thirty six hundred dollars tight end
- 45:30Speaker 2: but getting a ton of targets. Everyone tries to pick
- 45:32Speaker 2: between all the other guys or has Kleb or whatever,
- 45:35Speaker 2: and tight End. There's lots of options on this slate,
- 45:37Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, but that's he's right there. He's
- 45:39Speaker 2: less than John who later on he's one hundred bucks
- 45:42Speaker 2: less than Tucker Craft. You could easily see this. So
- 45:45Speaker 2: I think this is what makes this slate fun. Like
- 45:46Speaker 2: I said, it's not tricky, it's more of an interesting slate,
- 45:49Speaker 2: but titled instead like the same we know sort of
- 45:52Speaker 2: give any different thoughts you have on running back? I
- 45:54Speaker 2: think who kind of handled what the you know, sort
- 45:56Speaker 2: of the majority and then his takes, So give your takes.
- 45:59Speaker 2: But then and is there any sort of backups or
- 46:01Speaker 2: alternative methods or things that you would roll with here
- 46:04Speaker 2: and consider people always looking for that just on a
- 46:06Speaker 2: three game slate, if there's anything we're not talking about
- 46:09Speaker 2: or considering here.
- 46:10Speaker 5: In terms of backups. I don't think I'll be playing
- 46:13Speaker 5: any but if I did, it'd be Raheem Moster or
- 46:16Speaker 5: Roshawn Johnson Moster. You get the he'd be my favorite.
- 46:19Speaker 5: You get the leverage off of some of the chain ownership,
- 46:23Speaker 5: John New ownership a little bit too, Like if that
- 46:25Speaker 5: was the only Dolphins piece you played, you know, use
- 46:27Speaker 5: them some goal line upside. Rochan would be second, and
- 46:32Speaker 5: he gets goal line work as well, like plus two
- 46:34Speaker 5: thirty five to score is good.
- 46:35Speaker 4: The reason is he does I had him.
- 46:37Speaker 5: Second, he doesn't leverage really DeAndre Swift ownership because he's
- 46:40Speaker 5: not going to be owned, and I guess it leverages
- 46:43Speaker 5: a little of Cale Williams stuff. But even if he
- 46:45Speaker 5: falls in once, he probably needs to fall in twice.
- 46:48Speaker 5: It's a lot of his work is in the goal line,
- 46:50Speaker 5: So I think it's spread out enough. Like give me
- 46:52Speaker 5: Tyrone Tracy for all the leverage instead of messing with
- 46:55Speaker 5: any of those guys. I think Tracy's one of the
- 46:57Speaker 5: best GPP plays on the slate, only a three to spread.
- 47:01Speaker 3: But but he's owned right with all those guys, though
- 47:03Speaker 3: it's the same ownership as all the other dudes.
- 47:05Speaker 2: I think he gets That's what I said.
- 47:09Speaker 5: Yeah, Like like like Rico for three hundred last I'm
- 47:13Speaker 5: projected for like three points higher. Everyone's gonna want to
- 47:15Speaker 5: go regod Tracy fumble last week too, and people are like, oh,
- 47:19Speaker 5: that's gonna end him now, and like, you know, I
- 47:21Speaker 5: don't know, I just I'm with you title.
- 47:23Speaker 2: I think he gets squeezed out. And the funny thing
- 47:25Speaker 2: we use the stone for this, the better matchup is
- 47:27Speaker 2: the other way. The number is three. I know Drew
- 47:30Speaker 2: Locke all this, but you could play like a rush
- 47:32Speaker 2: ced Tracy and just hope he gets there. Who hates
- 47:34Speaker 2: neighbors like it's got they have? It's seventeen points. But man,
- 47:39Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess I'm leaning more that way
- 47:41Speaker 2: to keep going. Sorry to cut you off. I just
- 47:42Speaker 2: think that's actually interesting. I'm kind of with you on
- 47:44Speaker 2: this now.
- 47:45Speaker 5: Yeah, no, so yeah, Tracy two weeks ago, he fumbled
- 47:48Speaker 5: twice last week once. Don't love that at all. Rico
- 47:50Speaker 5: fumbled once last week. Looking at the props though, between
- 47:53Speaker 5: Rico and Tracy again, I think Rico will be three
- 47:55Speaker 5: times as own, if not more. Sixty seven a half
- 47:59Speaker 5: yards for Rico on the ground, sixty three and a
- 48:00Speaker 5: half for Tracy. There's four yards touch on prop minus
- 48:04Speaker 5: one oh five Rico plus one twenty Tracy. How do
- 48:06Speaker 5: you completely flip the build in the same range is
- 48:09Speaker 5: three hundred more for Tracy, So I know I'll be
- 48:11Speaker 5: playing a lot of him, like both lines running backs.
- 48:16Speaker 5: Of course, I will say props another thing that kind
- 48:18Speaker 5: of surprised me. Nineteen more yards for Gibbs for rushing prop.
- 48:22Speaker 5: Obviously we always know about the receiving stuff. Same for
- 48:26Speaker 5: them to score minus one seventy five, but that rushing
- 48:28Speaker 5: gap has closed as the leaks go on. Maybe it's
- 48:31Speaker 5: a little beat up. Maybe it's Gibbs been so good
- 48:33Speaker 5: coming off his most touches.
- 48:35Speaker 4: I don't know.
- 48:36Speaker 5: Again, there's enough salary discrepancy, and I do think Gibbs
- 48:39Speaker 5: will be owned where. It's not like I'm not just
- 48:41Speaker 5: gonna be all in Gibbs and not Montgomery. But I
- 48:44Speaker 5: did find that interesting that nineteen yards on the ground
- 48:46Speaker 5: was a good bit, and I do prefer Gibbs.
- 48:50Speaker 4: I love Gibbs.
- 48:51Speaker 5: Jacob's a chain the three highest up there, but I
- 48:54Speaker 5: think I'm not gonna be playing as much Rico. I'll
- 48:56Speaker 5: go Tracy there, but I'll just have somewhere. I picked
- 48:58Speaker 5: two of those running backs double tight end in the
- 49:00Speaker 5: flex because I need to save money. Jacob's been a workhorse.
- 49:04Speaker 5: Three and a half point favorites at home, Montgomery gives
- 49:07Speaker 5: applied for thirty. It feels hard for one of them
- 49:09Speaker 5: not to get there. If they don't, I'll definitely be
- 49:12Speaker 5: playing a lot of golf. Like I think I might
- 49:13Speaker 5: make a rule to at least one line in every lineup.
- 49:16Speaker 5: It feels really hard for me to see them one
- 49:19Speaker 5: of them not being on the winner, whether it's Jmo
- 49:22Speaker 5: really long, homra I goes ten or one hundred gives
- 49:25Speaker 5: or Montgomery gets there.
- 49:27Speaker 4: Laporta just so many.
- 49:28Speaker 5: Outs, so I know I want a Lion, But if
- 49:30Speaker 5: I'm not going gives Montgomery, they bust. I love Jacob's
- 49:33Speaker 5: a chain you play the golf passing side. Swift is
- 49:36Speaker 5: hard for me because it is like he's low owned.
- 49:39Speaker 5: Its leverage off the Caleb Williams stuff, some Keenan Allen stuff,
- 49:43Speaker 5: but the goal line stuff is concerning. Concerning with Rochean,
- 49:46Speaker 5: his props aren't really good. It's forty seven and a
- 49:48Speaker 5: half on the ground. He can catch passes when they're
- 49:51Speaker 5: in trailing game scripts, which is why I'm not completely
- 49:54Speaker 5: exing them. If Lions are up fourteen the second half,
- 49:57Speaker 5: the reason I like kill, They're gonna drop back so
- 49:59Speaker 5: many times, like four targets last game, he has four
- 50:02Speaker 5: or five catches forty yards right there, that's eight nine
- 50:05Speaker 5: points he falls in the box. Seventeen could be enough
- 50:08Speaker 5: at this price. Take again, I don't love it. I
- 50:11Speaker 5: love the Tracy stuff. Both Lions running backs I chained. Jacobs,
- 50:15Speaker 5: Rico and Swift are my least favorites in the vacuum,
- 50:20Speaker 5: though Gives would by far be my favorite play if
- 50:22Speaker 5: I had to pick one running back. He just looks
- 50:24Speaker 5: so good, so many outs to score pass catching one
- 50:28Speaker 5: play can take it everywhere, whereas like the Jacob stuff,
- 50:31Speaker 5: he feels more seven each time seven a pop and
- 50:34Speaker 5: just slowly marches his way. I like the Lions big
- 50:38Speaker 5: shot play and that skips, So yeah, Tracy's gonna be
- 50:41Speaker 5: I think my biggest leverage playing slide.
- 50:43Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 50:43Speaker 2: I like that a little more as the site goes on,
- 50:45Speaker 2: Like you said, I think the other stuff just sort
- 50:47Speaker 2: of sets up well, like if you go, if you
- 50:49Speaker 2: go with him, I'm fine with the rush lamb or
- 50:51Speaker 2: whatever else you want to do there. If you're going,
- 50:54Speaker 2: you know, with the swift stuff like you talked about,
- 50:56Speaker 2: you could have golf with his pass catchers and you
- 50:58Speaker 2: swift on the other side, if you're playing into the
- 51:00Speaker 2: packers passing being if Love is that high owned and
- 51:03Speaker 2: all those receivers are pushing thirty to forty and even
- 51:06Speaker 2: Craft pushing twenty, then even though Jacobs is forty, that's fine,
- 51:10Speaker 2: Like give me him and then I can just go
- 51:12Speaker 2: to two and what I like on the other side
- 51:14Speaker 2: and get there that way and let Jacobs do it
- 51:16Speaker 2: on the ground. The Packers have been running the ball
- 51:18Speaker 2: a lot more right since Love is back, and I
- 51:20Speaker 2: think they were. You know, I was reading some stuff
- 51:22Speaker 2: today too, even about Love's pass attempts all being down
- 51:25Speaker 2: and everything like that. So that's kind of interesting and
- 51:27Speaker 2: we'll see if that ownership holds true. But I don't
- 51:29Speaker 2: have too much else to add. I think you know
- 51:30Speaker 2: who said it more on that? What's that?
- 51:33Speaker 5: I'll have one more for the Packers because they've ran
- 51:35Speaker 5: the ball a ton at one hundred percent. They're mixing
- 51:38Speaker 5: in Emmanuel Wilson and Chris Brooks, so it isn't just
- 51:41Speaker 5: Josh Jacobs.
- 51:42Speaker 3: They're running it a ton.
- 51:43Speaker 5: Love's passing works go down and Jacobs run the ball
- 51:45Speaker 5: a decent bit, but fifty three percent of snaps for him,
- 51:48Speaker 5: one percent, Wilson, thirty five percent Brooks. Again, most of
- 51:52Speaker 5: when Jacobs was on the field, it's running and the
- 51:54Speaker 5: other guys it's more play action stuff like that.
- 51:56Speaker 4: But that's not only the case.
- 51:58Speaker 5: Manuel Wilson's looks solid as year, and so is Brooks.
- 52:01Speaker 5: So I mean before the playoffs, I think the Packers
- 52:03Speaker 5: are wanting to rotate these guys in take some of
- 52:06Speaker 5: the workload off for Jacobs. Again, I really like them.
- 52:08Speaker 5: Highest touched on prop on the slate at minus one eighty.
- 52:11Speaker 5: I just wanted to make that note. It's not all
- 52:13Speaker 5: Josh Jacobs by any means.
- 52:16Speaker 2: Yeah, I was trying to go back and look at something.
- 52:17Speaker 2: Who do you have anything else you want to add
- 52:18Speaker 2: to it? If not, you can take us into wide receiver.
- 52:20Speaker 2: But just trying to look some stuff up while we're
- 52:22Speaker 2: doing this.
- 52:23Speaker 3: Oh yeah, not too much more. I mean, see, it's
- 52:25Speaker 3: pretty straightforward at the position in terms of wide receiver.
- 52:34Speaker 3: You know, we'll start, you know with the Lions and Monross,
- 52:36Speaker 3: Saint Brown and Jamison Williams and Tim Patrick. I think
- 52:40Speaker 3: all solid plays like you're gonna want exposure to the Lions,
- 52:43Speaker 3: like I think most teams like, if you go in
- 52:45Speaker 3: and you build from an optimizer, you're going to get
- 52:48Speaker 3: Lions exposure. But I think you definitely want to make
- 52:50Speaker 3: sure if you're into setting rules, I definitely sent like
- 52:53Speaker 3: a rule to make sure you get one at least
- 52:55Speaker 3: one Lions player. Again, if you just go in and
- 52:57Speaker 3: run an optimizer, you're gonna get multiple most likely but
- 53:00Speaker 3: someone is going off on this team a Monrod Jamison Williams,
- 53:04Speaker 3: and then I'm going with Tim Patrick as a punt
- 53:06Speaker 3: thirty five hundred. It's these like breakaway plays like we
- 53:09Speaker 3: talked about where Golf doesn't escape a ton, but when
- 53:11Speaker 3: he gets out of the pocket, it seems like Tim
- 53:13Speaker 3: Patrick is always open. And that's how Tim Patrick has
- 53:17Speaker 3: had some, you know, relatively big plays like you had
- 53:19Speaker 3: a forty yard catch earlier at like at twenty six
- 53:21Speaker 3: or seven last week, So good with him at at
- 53:24Speaker 3: thirty five. On the Bears side, they have three guys.
- 53:27Speaker 3: And the reason these Bears guys are appealing is the
- 53:29Speaker 3: price tags really DJ Moore fifty six, Keenan Allen fifty one,
- 53:33Speaker 3: Roma Dunes a five K. If you're building teams that
- 53:37Speaker 3: are heavy, Lions like, you're just gonna get these guys,
- 53:40Speaker 3: and you know, the price tags are pretty much a
- 53:43Speaker 3: necessity on the slate being playing some of these mid
- 53:46Speaker 3: tier wide receivers, assuming that you're playing a lot of
- 53:48Speaker 3: teams and they're all right there, all affordable, you know,
- 53:52Speaker 3: in a trailing game script most likely, which is what
- 53:55Speaker 3: you want. Again, Lions have done a good job shutting
- 53:57Speaker 3: it down there's no guarantee that that happens in this game,
- 54:00Speaker 3: and it's three games slate. We can't be that picky.
- 54:02Speaker 3: It's not like you can say, oh, I think the
- 54:04Speaker 3: Lions get a lead and shut it down. Well, it's
- 54:07Speaker 3: a three game slate like, and if you're building multiple
- 54:09Speaker 3: teams like, there's not much you can do do You're
- 54:11Speaker 3: gonna have to play some of these guys that think
- 54:13Speaker 3: they're all solid. Now, I'll just, I guess, continue to
- 54:16Speaker 3: shit on the Giants, like very limited interest in any
- 54:20Speaker 3: of their past catchers, Neighbor. I hope the ownership holds
- 54:23Speaker 3: true on a guy like Neighbors at what thirty percent,
- 54:26Speaker 3: because I'll just take all that and play more Tyreek
- 54:29Speaker 3: Hill or CD Lamb or you know whoever else is
- 54:33Speaker 3: in that range. I'm just not buying into any of
- 54:35Speaker 3: the Giants stuff. And again, I hope these ownership percentages
- 54:39Speaker 3: hold true. Wondale Robinson is fine at forty seven. You
- 54:44Speaker 3: know you're not even getting like that much of a
- 54:46Speaker 3: price break. You look at the Bears, guys are similarly
- 54:49Speaker 3: priced like Wondale Robinson and Slay and so it's just
- 54:52Speaker 3: it's very difficult for me ceed Lambs obviously don't get
- 54:55Speaker 3: ownership for Dallas at seventy three hundred. I mean, it's
- 54:58Speaker 3: just all volume stuff, and he's getting a ton of looks,
- 55:02Speaker 3: developing some chemistry. Obviously with Cooper Rush twelve twelve targets
- 55:08Speaker 3: last two games, I'm a three games slate like that's
- 55:10Speaker 3: gonna be tough to beat. So definitely want we have
- 55:14Speaker 3: ceedee Lamb less owned than neighbors. That can't be true, right,
- 55:17Speaker 3: that can't.
- 55:18Speaker 2: That's why I ask earlier. I just said I don't.
- 55:20Speaker 2: I don't know how we you know, like I said, well,
- 55:22Speaker 2: we'll adjust. It's literally our initials that just went up
- 55:24Speaker 2: before we show.
- 55:25Speaker 3: But I'm saying, yeah, that's gotta come up. He's not
- 55:27Speaker 3: gonna be twenty five. Yeah, yeah, he's not gonna be
- 55:30Speaker 3: twenty five, so that that number will come up. This
- 55:32Speaker 3: is just the starting point for us. That'll certainly be adjusted.
- 55:35Speaker 3: I think he's regardless of what the number is, he's
- 55:37Speaker 3: a really strong play volume based player three games slate
- 55:42Speaker 3: like twelve targets in the last two Cooper Rush is
- 55:45Speaker 3: looking to him and they get him involved in a
- 55:47Speaker 3: variety ways. They'll do the ender rounds and that sort
- 55:49Speaker 3: of thing. With him too, so I think he's a
- 55:50Speaker 3: strong play. And then after that the rest of the
- 55:53Speaker 3: piece is for Dallas. Pretty long, we got to see
- 55:55Speaker 3: on Brandon Cooks whether he's activated or not, but Tolbert
- 56:00Speaker 3: and then Turpin as a punt and these are guys
- 56:02Speaker 3: that are just gonna be better suited if you're higher
- 56:04Speaker 3: on the Dallas stuff, like I am so Tolbert Turbine,
- 56:08Speaker 3: and then we got to see on Cooks, and then
- 56:10Speaker 3: I really liked the Miami stuff. I mean, I think
- 56:13Speaker 3: again I'm sticking with the mindset that I think they
- 56:15Speaker 3: get squeezed a little bit on the slate. Tyreek Hill,
- 56:18Speaker 3: Squeaky Wheel, I mean, it was everyone else last week
- 56:21Speaker 3: on Miami besides Tyreek Hill. I think it could be
- 56:24Speaker 3: Tyreek Hill time sixty but it's sixty nine hundred. Again,
- 56:29Speaker 3: I think they have a chance to get a little
- 56:31Speaker 3: squeezed on the slate. And the one thing I've noticed
- 56:33Speaker 3: again no numbers to back this up, but on these
- 56:35Speaker 3: like Thanksgiving Day slates or staggered slates, there's one game,
- 56:40Speaker 3: one game. One game. People like loading up early and
- 56:42Speaker 3: sometimes avoid some of those later plays. They come in
- 56:45Speaker 3: a little bit lower, and we talked about in baseball
- 56:47Speaker 3: all the time. I made so much money a couple
- 56:50Speaker 3: of years ago on the Dodgers because their lineup wasn't
- 56:52Speaker 3: out at lock. No one wanted to stack them. They
- 56:55Speaker 3: wanted to get the early guys in and they forget
- 56:58Speaker 3: about the later guys. And I think it had the
- 57:00Speaker 3: chance to be the case, and especially on the Miami side.
- 57:02Speaker 3: So I'm in on Hill Wattle and that's a nice thing.
- 57:05Speaker 3: I don't know one of you guys brought it up.
- 57:07Speaker 3: Is like, if you're playing the Miami stuff, it's very
- 57:10Speaker 3: clear what to do. There's not like there's a random
- 57:13Speaker 3: wide receiver to go to. There's not like there's a
- 57:15Speaker 3: backup tight end. It's two up and you can play
- 57:18Speaker 3: with the running back in a chan tyreek Hill Wattle Smith.
- 57:23Speaker 3: So it's very clear. There's no like even with the
- 57:25Speaker 3: Cooper Rush stuff. I like Dallas, but there's question marks
- 57:28Speaker 3: after Cede Lamb, like what do you want to do?
- 57:30Speaker 3: Do you really want to play Tolbert? Do you really
- 57:32Speaker 3: want to play Turpin? Like there's question marks in terms
- 57:35Speaker 3: of how you stack them. With Miami, there's no question marks.
- 57:39Speaker 3: You're playing with the running back, playing with two different
- 57:41Speaker 3: wide receivers and then you got a strong tight end
- 57:44Speaker 3: play in John new Smith. So I'm kind of talking
- 57:47Speaker 3: to myself. I think into more Miami as we go.
- 57:49Speaker 3: And then the Packers pass catchers Jayden, Reid, Watson, Wicks.
- 57:54Speaker 3: We talked about Melton and I will say news it
- 57:58Speaker 3: was new as I mentioned Malik Heath, right, Yeah, yep,
- 58:01Speaker 3: two catches and brought it. Brought them both in last
- 58:04Speaker 3: last week, so he will be on the field. I'm
- 58:07Speaker 3: assuming he is.
- 58:09Speaker 5: Three point three k and he played twenty three snaps
- 58:12Speaker 5: last week when Dallas went down.
- 58:14Speaker 3: Yeah, so if you're playing that millionmaker, I think you
- 58:16Speaker 3: could throw Heath in there as well. So all those
- 58:19Speaker 3: pass catchers for me, Reed, Watson, Wix, Melton, and you know,
- 58:23Speaker 3: in the five dollars million, I'd be even fine playing
- 58:26Speaker 3: Malik Heath. So a lot of players obviously at the
- 58:29Speaker 3: wide receiver position, but the spot that stands out I
- 58:33Speaker 3: think the most to me after talking through it is
- 58:36Speaker 3: definitely Miami pass catchers. Yeah, quick, go ahead.
- 58:40Speaker 4: I just wanted him to rank because he mentioned Tim Patrick.
- 58:43Speaker 4: You like to go a bit.
- 58:43Speaker 5: You mentioned Turpin Tolvert's cheap and then we'll mention bol
- 58:47Speaker 5: Meltin and Heath down there three one three three?
- 58:49Speaker 4: Do you have leans on how you'd ranked that whatever?
- 58:53Speaker 3: Yeah, Melton, Melton and then Tim Patrick and then the
- 58:57Speaker 3: Dallas guys and then it would be Heath. Okay. Maltain
- 59:02Speaker 3: is definitely my favorite full punt on the slate because
- 59:05Speaker 3: I've seen it, and I saw it last week. I
- 59:06Speaker 3: mean it's like they try to get this guy deep
- 59:09Speaker 3: bombs when he's out there and on the slate. If
- 59:12Speaker 3: he catches one, like it's going to be most likely optimal. Yeah.
- 59:16Speaker 2: The good way is to set it up too, especially
- 59:17Speaker 2: Jacobs is going to get that ownership late. That's another thing.
- 59:19Speaker 2: Just if you like the Miami side, you'll land on
- 59:22Speaker 2: them in some of your portfolio, but that you should
- 59:24Speaker 2: want to land on the Packers side as well, And
- 59:26Speaker 2: that's a way to get there.
- 59:27Speaker 3: Right.
- 59:27Speaker 2: You go love with one of Reed or something, and
- 59:30Speaker 2: then you put him in with Melton, You're already going
- 59:32Speaker 2: to be different. You could even have Tyreek on the
- 59:33Speaker 2: run back if you wanted. I was just gonna say
- 59:35Speaker 2: the thing about you know, you nailed it. I just
- 59:37Speaker 2: keep saying it, But it's condensed. On the Miami side,
- 59:39Speaker 2: it's more than cheap enough, like people play on a
- 59:42Speaker 2: main slate. People are playing Burrow at way more than Tua,
- 59:47Speaker 2: and they're playing Chase at way more than Tyreek, and
- 59:50Speaker 2: they're fitting in Higgins for more than Wattle, Like you
- 59:53Speaker 2: could literally play all three and well, Wattle will never
- 59:55Speaker 2: do that again. He doesn't have to do that again.
- 59:58Speaker 2: He doesn't have to have that exact same score down
- 1:00:00Speaker 2: to three games. He could have a great score and
- 1:00:02Speaker 2: not that score and still be necessary here. So I
- 1:00:05Speaker 2: think just stacking this game up, most will use Jacobs
- 1:00:07Speaker 2: on the runback. I think using someone like Reid you
- 1:00:10Speaker 2: want to use Melton, you can use up all your
- 1:00:12Speaker 2: wide receiver spots and leave the running back slots open
- 1:00:15Speaker 2: for the Cowboys, the Giants, the Lions, whatever else you
- 1:00:18Speaker 2: want to fit in there, and make your lineup look
- 1:00:19Speaker 2: pretty nice that way. And yeah, it's scary because you're
- 1:00:22Speaker 2: fading the first game, but I'm sure you'll have other
- 1:00:24Speaker 2: lineups within your portfolio where you can attack that first
- 1:00:27Speaker 2: game and then title all kick it to you. But
- 1:00:29Speaker 2: I was gonna say too, the Tim Patrick one I like,
- 1:00:32Speaker 2: but the chap brought up the good point too. For
- 1:00:33Speaker 2: the old Jamison Williams bombs. Look at Addison last week.
- 1:00:37Speaker 2: You know, just another spot that you could get back
- 1:00:39Speaker 2: to it. It's not the same thing will happen, it's
- 1:00:40Speaker 2: one game whatever, but it is a spot where you
- 1:00:43Speaker 2: could see that and everyone's playing a manra, especially when
- 1:00:46Speaker 2: they're going golf. You always do a good job talking
- 1:00:48Speaker 2: about this, like, Okay, gof's not gonna it's spread out.
- 1:00:51Speaker 2: But how many of those golf lineups have a manra
- 1:00:54Speaker 2: in them when they're looking for leverage and doing their things?
- 1:00:56Speaker 2: So going away from the wide receiver one to Willie
- 1:01:00Speaker 2: and then wherever you go from there is up to you.
- 1:01:02Speaker 2: But that's another way that you could see it happen.
- 1:01:04Speaker 3: This week.
- 1:01:04Speaker 2: I'll let you talk more on wide receiver for sure.
- 1:01:06Speaker 5: And I mean at the end of the day, would
- 1:01:08Speaker 5: anyone be surprised. Maybe a little surprised. But if Jameson
- 1:01:11Speaker 5: Williams was the number one scoring receiver on the slate,
- 1:01:13Speaker 5: like illegit can take two plays from him. He's that good.
- 1:01:17Speaker 5: So yeah, I definitely love the Jameson Williams. He doesn't
- 1:01:20Speaker 5: break the bank. I'm and Rod tim Patrick will be
- 1:01:22Speaker 5: playing some of them. Not really any hot takes there,
- 1:01:25Speaker 5: bear stuff. I think Keenan Ellen will be the highest owned,
- 1:01:28Speaker 5: and I look at DJ Moore and A Dunza is
- 1:01:30Speaker 5: pretty much the same play. So I'll overpay a little
- 1:01:33Speaker 5: bit for more as a pivot, I think you can say,
- 1:01:36Speaker 5: I mean hardly anything but right there for a Doomsay
- 1:01:39Speaker 5: for one hundred less. Yeah, I'm gonna probably have more
- 1:01:42Speaker 5: Doomsay and more if the ownership does all true. I
- 1:01:45Speaker 5: think Keenan's fine, obviously all better and kill Williams stuff.
- 1:01:49Speaker 5: Hoop and I we agree on some we definitely disagree
- 1:01:53Speaker 5: on giant stuff. I like neighbors and Wandel Robinson a lot.
- 1:01:57Speaker 5: Neighbors and Ceedee Lamb have the same prop. Eight and
- 1:02:00Speaker 5: a half yards for Neighbors, sixty seven and a half
- 1:02:02Speaker 5: for Lamb. Touchdown prop is a little better for Lamb.
- 1:02:04Speaker 5: That's where it's different. One eighty to two twenty five
- 1:02:07Speaker 5: receptions are the same mine or six and a half
- 1:02:10Speaker 5: the same juice. I think Drew Locks gonna pepper Neighbors
- 1:02:13Speaker 5: as every quarterback that really has stepped in for the
- 1:02:15Speaker 5: Giants does, because there's not any other options. Really, I
- 1:02:18Speaker 5: love neighbors a lot. I could see ten to fifteen
- 1:02:20Speaker 5: targets for sure, in this game, and I do think
- 1:02:23Speaker 5: Lamb's higher owned. Same thing for Lamb though Cooper Rush
- 1:02:26Speaker 5: is like CD a lot. I think two very strong plays.
- 1:02:29Speaker 5: If you want to leverage Rico in this game, then
- 1:02:31Speaker 5: you just go Lamb Neighbors and you fill out your
- 1:02:33Speaker 5: lineup after that. I could totally see some scenario there.
- 1:02:37Speaker 5: I like Wandale a good bit too. He's on the
- 1:02:39Speaker 5: field almost one hundred percent of the times in the slot. Again,
- 1:02:42Speaker 5: I think Drew locks an upgrade ownership's not really there.
- 1:02:45Speaker 5: I'll be playing plenty of Wanda Robinson. The Slayton Hyatt
- 1:02:49Speaker 5: stuff I don't really necessarily love. Actually, last week, when
- 1:02:53Speaker 5: Slayton returned, Hyatt and him had relatively pretty close. Slayton
- 1:02:57Speaker 5: still had snapped him, but Hide had a decent amount.
- 1:03:00Speaker 5: So I would throw Jalen Hyatt at three point two
- 1:03:03Speaker 5: k in that full punt range. The snap count again
- 1:03:06Speaker 5: went up from last or from all year, and all
- 1:03:08Speaker 5: of his routes are pretty much go routes. Drew Lock
- 1:03:11Speaker 5: is afraid to throw a go route. One catch fifty
- 1:03:13Speaker 5: yards in a touchdown can absolutely slack up, shake up
- 1:03:15Speaker 5: the slates. Again, it's better in Drew Locke. Things but
- 1:03:19Speaker 5: if we're talking he Pat Trick, Turp and all that,
- 1:03:22Speaker 5: I think Hyatt should should be named as well. I
- 1:03:25Speaker 5: don't like Cooper Rush and the Cowboys stuff as much,
- 1:03:27Speaker 5: so pretty much just Seed or Bus for me. I
- 1:03:30Speaker 5: think Tobert's fine because he's on the field a ton.
- 1:03:32Speaker 5: If Cooks is back, though I won't be playing Cooks Turpin.
- 1:03:35Speaker 5: Really Tobert I prefer as the wide receiver. Two Dolphins, Yeah,
- 1:03:40Speaker 5: really easy, Tyreek, Jillen Wadel, Obj has been dropping balls
- 1:03:43Speaker 5: and stuff. I can't get to anything else after that,
- 1:03:46Speaker 5: and Packers. There's a million different options you can go to.
- 1:03:50Speaker 5: For sure, without Romeo, it's Reed and Watson. They should
- 1:03:53Speaker 5: be in the two receiver sets. Wicks gets a big
- 1:03:57Speaker 5: bump because of that. I think will come with a
- 1:03:59Speaker 5: decent amount of own But again, Bo Mountain, Lee, Keith,
- 1:04:03Speaker 5: they all rotated in a bit like Watson and Reed
- 1:04:05Speaker 5: aren't always on the field either. They will be running
- 1:04:08Speaker 5: Keith with Reed, Watson with Reed like he like. You'll
- 1:04:12Speaker 5: have random random wide receiver room in Green Bay. They'll
- 1:04:15Speaker 5: all de rotating in I'm gonna play, I get it.
- 1:04:19Speaker 5: I think a decent amount of love stuff because you
- 1:04:21Speaker 5: can go so many ways. But it's also like you
- 1:04:24Speaker 5: can play love stuff and mess it up so much
- 1:04:25Speaker 5: because it is hard to get right. So but the
- 1:04:28Speaker 5: five dollars with a billion people in the thing, I
- 1:04:30Speaker 5: guess that's the stuff you want to embrace. So yeah,
- 1:04:33Speaker 5: receiver room, it's really concentrated, I think at almost every
- 1:04:36Speaker 5: spot about the packers.
- 1:04:38Speaker 2: Yeah, lots of room, lots of places to go in,
- 1:04:40Speaker 2: room to get different. But it's some of the stuff
- 1:04:42Speaker 2: you said, it's just for you know, especially for the bigger,
- 1:04:44Speaker 2: larger field stuff or anything like that. Like Keenan Allen,
- 1:04:47Speaker 2: if he's gonna be that popular, he could just end
- 1:04:49Speaker 2: up catching this. You know, everyone saw what he did
- 1:04:51Speaker 2: last week and assumes that happens this week. He could
- 1:04:53Speaker 2: end up being the same as Wondale Robinson, but for
- 1:04:56Speaker 2: three times the ownership. Wondale just catches balls and falls
- 1:04:59Speaker 2: on them. Mckenan through slot. It may not be what
- 1:05:01Speaker 2: we see what he did last week. There's situations like that.
- 1:05:04Speaker 2: Last week, Lamb, we were making fun of him in
- 1:05:06Speaker 2: our discord a Shiit a Nation because were saying he's
- 1:05:07Speaker 2: basically like Wondale Robinson. He was kid what was he
- 1:05:09Speaker 2: at nine? For forty one at one point it's like,
- 1:05:12Speaker 2: holy shit, this guy can't get any yardage. It's as
- 1:05:14Speaker 2: they're throwing it to him over there and he's landing
- 1:05:15Speaker 2: on it to the defenses getting to him. So I
- 1:05:18Speaker 2: like the the Jamison tim Patrick stuff in the first one.
- 1:05:21Speaker 2: I like Romo Dunes a quite a bit, only because
- 1:05:23Speaker 2: I think it's, you know, very similar to last week.
- 1:05:25Speaker 2: And people loved him last week on FanDuel specifically he
- 1:05:29Speaker 2: was a cheaper option ever wanted to go there, and
- 1:05:30Speaker 2: of course Keenan Allen got him and ate his lunch.
- 1:05:32Speaker 2: DJ Moore had a good day as well. So I
- 1:05:34Speaker 2: liked your pay up or pay down at that one.
- 1:05:37Speaker 2: So I'm good there. I kind of like Wandale, who
- 1:05:39Speaker 2: you mentioned, just as maybe a guy that Locke just
- 1:05:41Speaker 2: checks it down to. I was trying to look up earlier.
- 1:05:43Speaker 2: Just sorte knows what I was doing. I was looking
- 1:05:45Speaker 2: up someone in the check got me sparked on the thing.
- 1:05:47Speaker 2: You know, I'm always trying to find these tidbits. Does
- 1:05:49Speaker 2: Locke just check it down? And obviously you got to
- 1:05:52Speaker 2: go as far back as twenty twenty. I'm on stat
- 1:05:54Speaker 2: muse trying to look up all these scores Melvin Gordon
- 1:05:57Speaker 2: was getting a few checkdowns back in the day, but honestly,
- 1:05:59Speaker 2: when he was coming in for the Seahawks and everything
- 1:06:01Speaker 2: like that, it was only two or three to Kenneth Walker,
- 1:06:04Speaker 2: like he was going to the receivers. And so I
- 1:06:06Speaker 2: think Neighbors and Robinson again, I'm kind of more on hoopside.
- 1:06:10Speaker 2: On the Neighbors thing, I struggle. I just I don't
- 1:06:12Speaker 2: think he's gonna have that ownership. So if I get
- 1:06:14Speaker 2: him in my rush lineups, I kind of want him
- 1:06:16Speaker 2: as like it is, you know, the Cowboys do their
- 1:06:17Speaker 2: thing and doubt old Neighbors, But even then I'd be
- 1:06:20Speaker 2: fine with dowbe Old Robinson. So I prefer that. I
- 1:06:23Speaker 2: like Tyreek and Waddle, I'm with you not doing the
- 1:06:25Speaker 2: OBJ stuff there. And then I think the Packers is
- 1:06:28Speaker 2: probably the most interesting spot because one, I fully I
- 1:06:30Speaker 2: don't fully believe that everybody just rolls with this Packers
- 1:06:33Speaker 2: passing offense. I know that Jacobs is still showing the
- 1:06:35Speaker 2: most ownership, so that holds true, but I think some
- 1:06:38Speaker 2: of that stuff does shift. I like Read, I like Watson,
- 1:06:42Speaker 2: and I like Melton. I like wis the last the least. Actually,
- 1:06:45Speaker 2: even though I know how good he is and capable.
- 1:06:47Speaker 2: It's if that ownership comes anywhere near that or holds true.
- 1:06:50Speaker 2: I don't if they just what you said title. They
- 1:06:52Speaker 2: do so much over there to move these guys around,
- 1:06:54Speaker 2: and I think it'll be like a deep shot, and
- 1:06:56Speaker 2: so you know, one of Watson or Melton catching the
- 1:07:00Speaker 2: deep bomb and Meltain's way cheaper. I just think that's
- 1:07:03Speaker 2: how I see it. And I honestly love Read at
- 1:07:05Speaker 2: fifty seven hundred regardless of where his ownership goes to.
- 1:07:08Speaker 2: He's a guy that gets used a bunch of different
- 1:07:10Speaker 2: ways on a short slate like this. Talking about a
- 1:07:13Speaker 2: guy that can get you twenty five plus and you
- 1:07:15Speaker 2: need it, that would be a guy for me for sure,
- 1:07:17Speaker 2: Jayden Reid. So I definitely like the packers. I just
- 1:07:20Speaker 2: it's harder to spread them around and make it work
- 1:07:22Speaker 2: and get it in that way. But like a love
- 1:07:24Speaker 2: Read and then pick one of Watson or bow Mountain, like,
- 1:07:28Speaker 2: look how cheap it is for love red and melting.
- 1:07:31Speaker 2: And even if you're like that's crazy, go Watson instead. Sure.
- 1:07:34Speaker 2: Forty nine hundred, fifty seven hundred and sixty three at quarterback.
- 1:07:37Speaker 2: And by the way, Tyreek is less than seven on
- 1:07:39Speaker 2: the other side, or however you want to do it
- 1:07:41Speaker 2: like that. That game has a ton of interest to me,
- 1:07:44Speaker 2: even though I know like the lion stuff, but it's
- 1:07:46Speaker 2: still it's easy to build it out once you make
- 1:07:48Speaker 2: that stand and say I'm going to be in on
- 1:07:49Speaker 2: the Dolphins Packers. I really liked your call to hoop
- 1:07:51Speaker 2: about the the Dodgers back in the day. The baseball
- 1:07:54Speaker 2: slates just bring a different DFS sport into this one.
- 1:07:57Speaker 2: But it is exactly what it's like. Right, it's Thanksgiving,
- 1:07:59Speaker 2: it's get day, start a baby. I want points right now.
- 1:08:02Speaker 2: Give me those lineups right and there it is right there,
- 1:08:04Speaker 2: am Bruno.
- 1:08:05Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some validity to that. I'm telling you. People
- 1:08:09Speaker 3: like getting the early. They feel good, they start their
- 1:08:11Speaker 3: day off right, I'm at the top of the leaderboard.
- 1:08:13Speaker 3: I'm making some money, Like I want to lock that
- 1:08:15Speaker 3: shit in.
- 1:08:16Speaker 2: They want to show the screenshot to their family member
- 1:08:18Speaker 2: or say they made the right call. Everybody has this
- 1:08:20Speaker 2: relative who doesn't really play DFS, but like, yo, I
- 1:08:23Speaker 2: got the anytime touchdown on James and Williams. It's like,
- 1:08:25Speaker 2: you know, doing that, and then they got their lineups
- 1:08:27Speaker 2: that they built with a full on game stack of
- 1:08:29Speaker 2: it on top of it, also go ahead title, Sorry no.
- 1:08:33Speaker 5: No, I think also it allows more late swap flexibility,
- 1:08:37Speaker 5: like a lot of people do load up Lions Bears.
- 1:08:39Speaker 5: And again I like the game a lot too, But
- 1:08:41Speaker 5: if you went a little more underweight on that game,
- 1:08:43Speaker 5: you know, Giants Cowboys isn't getting much. You can see
- 1:08:46Speaker 5: where you stand if you need help, you know, to
- 1:08:48Speaker 5: get off a rico. And there's pivots, the Tracy stuff,
- 1:08:51Speaker 5: Jacob's a chain, but all the receivers in the Packers
- 1:08:54Speaker 5: Dolphins game are relatively kept in check like Ceedee Lamb
- 1:08:58Speaker 5: will be a little like some ownership neighbors kept in check.
- 1:09:01Speaker 4: Is the pivot there?
- 1:09:02Speaker 5: The late swap stuff definitely can't go unnoticed, whether you're
- 1:09:05Speaker 5: absolutely looking great and you want to swap on some
- 1:09:08Speaker 5: chalk or it's not going as good and you have
- 1:09:10Speaker 5: to pivot.
- 1:09:10Speaker 4: So that's another reason. I guess maybe if you want
- 1:09:12Speaker 4: to do that.
- 1:09:13Speaker 2: Yeah, did anybody have a thought on this? So, I
- 1:09:15Speaker 2: know we kind of hit on it when we scrolled
- 1:09:17Speaker 2: through it, but I guess you know we talked more.
- 1:09:19Speaker 2: I'll go to you title in this one because we
- 1:09:20Speaker 2: talked more more Neighbors and Wandale. You know, obviously you
- 1:09:24Speaker 2: mentioned a little bit about Slayton Hiatt, but any final
- 1:09:26Speaker 2: thoughts just on Slaton as a whole.
- 1:09:28Speaker 5: Yeah, it was just a little obviously it was out
- 1:09:30Speaker 5: two weeks with an injury, but he came back last
- 1:09:32Speaker 5: week thirty four snaps and hi it at twenty five
- 1:09:35Speaker 5: where if you look previously, Slayton was almost always playing
- 1:09:38Speaker 5: all of them. So with Neighbors back Wandel in the slot,
- 1:09:42Speaker 5: it looks like they're rotating an extent to Slayton and Hyatt.
- 1:09:45Speaker 4: I think Slayton's fine too.
- 1:09:46Speaker 5: The reason I mentioned Hyatt and preferred them was because
- 1:09:49Speaker 5: of the big savings. But Slayton's been a lot better
- 1:09:52Speaker 5: of a receiver this year. I mean, high hats been
- 1:09:54Speaker 5: or like he hasn't done anything. So I think Slayton's fine,
- 1:09:58Speaker 5: but I prefer Wandel right in that range. Like I'm
- 1:10:00Speaker 5: not excited about sleep.
- 1:10:01Speaker 2: Real quick, large field and the idea of like just
- 1:10:04Speaker 2: needing a you know, a one hitter quitter, like that's
- 1:10:06Speaker 2: your guy, sure, but with no left tackle and Drew
- 1:10:09Speaker 2: Locke be getting in there and this defense coming after him,
- 1:10:12Speaker 2: you need time, man, Like you need time to unleash
- 1:10:14Speaker 2: that bomb. Anything can happen. It's DFS, it's large field.
- 1:10:17Speaker 2: I'm not even copping out. I'm just saying that's why
- 1:10:18Speaker 2: I would struggle with it more. And it may even
- 1:10:21Speaker 2: be bad for those other guys, but that's why, like
- 1:10:23Speaker 2: I said, I kind of like the one Dale. He's
- 1:10:24Speaker 2: one third the ownership of Keenan Allen for four hundred
- 1:10:27Speaker 2: bucks less and he may just catch you eight balls
- 1:10:30Speaker 2: for sixty and it's good. Man forty seven hund is good,
- 1:10:33Speaker 2: it's solid and hopefully gets you some other stuff in there.
- 1:10:35Speaker 2: So if I'm going that route, I feel more more
- 1:10:39Speaker 2: comfortable at least going that way, So that that'd be
- 1:10:41Speaker 2: my thoughts. Let's go to let's go to tight end
- 1:10:42Speaker 2: though title do you want to take it? Or who
- 1:10:44Speaker 2: who wants to go?
- 1:10:45Speaker 5: I could take it? And then who can mention it's Boilerporta.
- 1:10:48Speaker 5: He has been so dust and tilting.
- 1:10:50Speaker 2: But yeah, I.
- 1:10:51Speaker 4: Mean he can talk me into a little bit of
- 1:10:53Speaker 4: him right now. He's definitely the odd man out.
- 1:10:55Speaker 5: We've been all over John who Smith recently, John Who's
- 1:10:58Speaker 5: a complete monster could even add more last week.
- 1:11:00Speaker 4: It's coming with ownership.
- 1:11:02Speaker 5: I think he's a guy you can drop from I
- 1:11:06Speaker 5: don't know, maybe like a DJ Moore down to him
- 1:11:08Speaker 5: or something like leaving money on the table.
- 1:11:10Speaker 4: This isn't necessarily a showdown.
- 1:11:11Speaker 5: Slate with three games, but it is a lot more
- 1:11:13Speaker 5: game theory than it is a main slate, So leaving
- 1:11:15Speaker 5: money is a lot more viable than when we talk
- 1:11:18Speaker 5: on Sundays. Tucker Craft's one of my favorite tight ends.
- 1:11:20Speaker 5: He's a complete beast. Got in the box last week.
- 1:11:23Speaker 5: Just hey, a billion different packers, guys.
- 1:11:25Speaker 4: What you like?
- 1:11:26Speaker 5: What I love about Craft is he will be on
- 1:11:28Speaker 5: the field a time while all those other receivers are mixing.
- 1:11:31Speaker 5: He will leave the wide receiver room if you throw
- 1:11:33Speaker 5: him in there in snaps so and the price takes
- 1:11:36Speaker 5: down there. I like myself Tucker Craft.
- 1:11:38Speaker 4: A good bit.
- 1:11:39Speaker 5: I like cole Conette and Schoonmaker, and that's why I
- 1:11:42Speaker 5: mentioned two tight end builds earlier. I think I'll have
- 1:11:44Speaker 5: a lot of them, but Porto would be my least
- 1:11:46Speaker 5: favorite out of all of them, Theo Johnson's on the
- 1:11:49Speaker 5: field and span Ford. I'll let who talk about him
- 1:11:51Speaker 5: fifty percent. Tight end is a loaded, loaded position. I
- 1:11:54Speaker 5: love John Hue, I love Craft Comet's on the Field, A,
- 1:11:57Speaker 5: Ton and scoon Maker by far my four favorite.
- 1:12:00Speaker 4: Again, Laporta's down, man out. I'm gonna play some.
- 1:12:03Speaker 5: I just prefer Jamo, Amen, Roys Montgomery.
- 1:12:07Speaker 4: I won't say Tim Patrick, but all those other guys. Yeah, again,
- 1:12:11Speaker 4: Theo Stanford and played two tight ends, definitely there.
- 1:12:14Speaker 5: But the four clear ones for me is John Newcraft,
- 1:12:16Speaker 5: Comet Schoonmaker, and I'll be heavy on them.
- 1:12:19Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 1:12:19Speaker 2: I keep saying about this first game Hoop like it
- 1:12:21Speaker 2: could just end it all, like it's it's honestly, it
- 1:12:23Speaker 2: could just be Goff, Jamison, Williams, Laporta and you need them,
- 1:12:27Speaker 2: and Laporta finally has a day like we've been waiting
- 1:12:30Speaker 2: for it. It's he sucks, it's he's terrible. It's only
- 1:12:33Speaker 2: gonna be gibbson Monty. They're gonna smash them. But there's
- 1:12:35Speaker 2: no way it could be anybody but these three guys.
- 1:12:38Speaker 2: Yet it easily could. So give me your thoughts at
- 1:12:40Speaker 2: Laporta first and then the rest of the tight ends. Yeah.
- 1:12:43Speaker 3: I mean, Laporta is obviously disappointing season overall fantasy wise,
- 1:12:48Speaker 3: but he has had games. I mean he's had sixteen
- 1:12:51Speaker 3: in two out of the last four games, like, if
- 1:12:53Speaker 3: he gets sixteen tomorrow, you probably need him. He's probably
- 1:12:57Speaker 3: on the winner and he's it's basically he's looking at
- 1:13:01Speaker 3: the game blog. It's every other game he does something.
- 1:13:03Speaker 3: So he had twelve and then three sixteen, then four
- 1:13:07Speaker 3: sixteen and then five. So if you want to follow
- 1:13:10Speaker 3: that trend, he's getting double digits, and double digits is
- 1:13:13Speaker 3: probably good at the tight end position. I mean, am
- 1:13:16Speaker 3: I excited about him? No, Like I'm not. I'm least
- 1:13:19Speaker 3: excited about him than anyone on the Lions team, but
- 1:13:23Speaker 3: obviously going to be playing him. And that's kind of
- 1:13:25Speaker 3: honestly how I feel about all the tight ends, Like
- 1:13:27Speaker 3: they're all like similar, They're all similarly priced. I have
- 1:13:30Speaker 3: a similar outlook on him, like gun to my head,
- 1:13:33Speaker 3: who scores the most? Okay, maybe John new Smith, He's
- 1:13:36Speaker 3: looked great. Two is just throwing to him a ton,
- 1:13:39Speaker 3: But John new the Porta Craft, Comet, Scoon Maker. I
- 1:13:46Speaker 3: don't know. I'm gonna play them all. They all seem
- 1:13:48Speaker 3: similar to me. I'm fine with two tight end builds.
- 1:13:51Speaker 3: Then the ones that are a little more off the wall.
- 1:13:53Speaker 3: I'm good with THEO Johnson. Like I've shoot on the
- 1:13:55Speaker 3: Giants a lot, And I will say because I didn't
- 1:13:58Speaker 3: talk much about him, like I'm good with and I'm
- 1:14:00Speaker 3: good with Slaton, like the ones I just don't really
- 1:14:03Speaker 3: care for, like Neighbors and Tracy all that much, the
- 1:14:05Speaker 3: ones that have like a price tag on him, Like
- 1:14:08Speaker 3: if I'm playing heavy Dallas stuff, I am going to
- 1:14:10Speaker 3: play some of these cheaper giants guys, and Theo Johnson's
- 1:14:14Speaker 3: one of them. Then span Ford. I mean we talked
- 1:14:16Speaker 3: about him on the main slate last week. Because he's
- 1:14:18Speaker 3: twenty five hundred, played fifty percent of the snaps, two targets,
- 1:14:22Speaker 3: two catches, He's on the field a lot. I'm definitely
- 1:14:26Speaker 3: fine with him, and it's not a massive price difference
- 1:14:28Speaker 3: between him and some of these other guys, but it's
- 1:14:31Speaker 3: three games slate, Like if he goes out there catches
- 1:14:33Speaker 3: the touchdown, he's gonna be unowned and it could go
- 1:14:36Speaker 3: a long way. I mean, perfect guy for sure. For
- 1:14:38Speaker 3: the five dollars million, I'll be playing him on you know,
- 1:14:40Speaker 3: my regular one to fifty, and I include him if
- 1:14:44Speaker 3: I was playing twenty teams, Like I feel that good
- 1:14:46Speaker 3: about the guy, to be honest with you. So I'm
- 1:14:48Speaker 3: in on all these guys. No strong lean, no strong preference,
- 1:14:52Speaker 3: no hot takes here for me whatsoever. I think they're
- 1:14:54Speaker 3: all solid plays, they're all priced similarly, and for me,
- 1:14:57Speaker 3: their fantasy outlook is relatively similar as well.
- 1:15:00Speaker 2: Yeah, Laporta also dropped a walk in touchdown that one week,
- 1:15:03Speaker 2: or goff like kind of overthrew it slightly and he
- 1:15:05Speaker 2: got a little bit awkward with it, like that could
- 1:15:06Speaker 2: have been even another add on or bigger game. So
- 1:15:09Speaker 2: I think there's little things like that. I know people
- 1:15:11Speaker 2: don't like him. Again, That's why I sometimes never fully
- 1:15:13Speaker 2: believe the first thoughts on the ownership as well. Obviously,
- 1:15:16Speaker 2: hone it in as the week goes on. It's a
- 1:15:17Speaker 2: piece of the puzzle, and we only have one short
- 1:15:19Speaker 2: turnaround one evening until this light starts tomorrow, so we'll
- 1:15:22Speaker 2: have it all dialed in and ready to go. But
- 1:15:23Speaker 2: I just think just looking at it, Comet Tucker craft,
- 1:15:26Speaker 2: I even the John New stuff. If it's going to
- 1:15:29Speaker 2: be that high and I'm playing the Dolphins, of course
- 1:15:30Speaker 2: he's going to be in my too lineups. That's just
- 1:15:32Speaker 2: how it works, right, you set it up or opposite
- 1:15:34Speaker 2: of my Jordan loves. That's just pretty standard stuff. But
- 1:15:38Speaker 2: I'm telling you when people de there's no way Jalen
- 1:15:40Speaker 2: Waddle does that again. Yes, I understand fully he does
- 1:15:42Speaker 2: not need to do that again though on a short
- 1:15:43Speaker 2: slate like this. So I'm fine with like some of
- 1:15:46Speaker 2: those lineups having too a Tyreek Waddle and then just
- 1:15:49Speaker 2: moving it over to Kraft on the other side, or
- 1:15:51Speaker 2: having Laporta from the earlier games as opposed to most
- 1:15:54Speaker 2: of those lineups will be filled with Gibbs or Montgomery
- 1:15:57Speaker 2: and little things like that. So I'm always looking for
- 1:15:59Speaker 2: ways to think about how other people are thinking about
- 1:16:01Speaker 2: the slate and what their lineups will look like, and
- 1:16:04Speaker 2: you can do that with an optimize. We have shyptomizer
- 1:16:06Speaker 2: over at Shipmination. You can use that and see lock
- 1:16:09Speaker 2: in two on Tyreek build ten lineups. That's why I
- 1:16:12Speaker 2: always say it doesn't matter if you're building one fifty. Obviously,
- 1:16:14Speaker 2: it makes your life a lot easier to build one
- 1:16:16Speaker 2: fifty with an optimize. It's pretty much a necessity. But
- 1:16:19Speaker 2: what I think people confuse with is like it's just
- 1:16:22Speaker 2: only for that, and that's just not the case. You
- 1:16:24Speaker 2: want to know what people are actually doing on the slate.
- 1:16:26Speaker 2: Grab an optimizer, lock in too on Tyreek and say, okay,
- 1:16:29Speaker 2: if someone is building a Tua and Tyreek lineup, what
- 1:16:33Speaker 2: do those look like. Well, it's jamminin Gibbs, it's jammin
- 1:16:36Speaker 2: in Jacobs, it's jammin in dudele. Now this is what
- 1:16:39Speaker 2: it leaves. Well, how do you go against that? And
- 1:16:41Speaker 2: how could you see the slate flip a little bit
- 1:16:43Speaker 2: in that instance? And that's how you start to build
- 1:16:45Speaker 2: out and say, Okay, my ideas still make sense. They
- 1:16:48Speaker 2: leverage what everybody else is doing, that's not editing their
- 1:16:50Speaker 2: stuff with an optimizer or not doing too much editing
- 1:16:53Speaker 2: with it, And now I can start to make my
- 1:16:55Speaker 2: plan of attack. Did you have something there, Hooper? Okay,
- 1:16:59Speaker 2: you're good.
- 1:16:59Speaker 3: I would I thought you were.
- 1:17:01Speaker 2: Yeah, No, all good. I think you might have a point.
- 1:17:03Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that's how I'm looking at at it.
- 1:17:06Speaker 2: I think Comet, Laporta and Tucker Craft would be my
- 1:17:10Speaker 2: main three that I'm looking at, and then the other
- 1:17:12Speaker 2: guys all fit in where they fit in. But I'm
- 1:17:14Speaker 2: saying like, that's kind of what I'm doing. Obviously. The
- 1:17:17Speaker 2: next most interesting I guess for me would probably be
- 1:17:19Speaker 2: Dallas because the John new stuff is popular, but it's
- 1:17:22Speaker 2: because it's gonna be with my Miami and Green Bay
- 1:17:24Speaker 2: stuff anyway. But the Dawdle thing where if you just
- 1:17:27Speaker 2: don't play Doubdle and you play one of Schoonmaker and
- 1:17:29Speaker 2: span Ford and just use that to build up the ceiling.
- 1:17:33Speaker 2: I always talk about this. I guess I'll round it
- 1:17:34Speaker 2: on that and then go to you for defenses or anything, hoop,
- 1:17:36Speaker 2: But the using just a cheap guy like a Schoonmaker
- 1:17:40Speaker 2: or a span Ford. I have to play a tight
- 1:17:42Speaker 2: end no matter what. I'm not in love with them.
- 1:17:44Speaker 2: None of us really are in love with any of them.
- 1:17:46Speaker 2: We just all were, you know, ranking them a little
- 1:17:47Speaker 2: bit and saying where we're at it, we don't think
- 1:17:49Speaker 2: it's gonna blow the slate away, and it can. But
- 1:17:51Speaker 2: I'm saying I'm also fine with just putting in one
- 1:17:53Speaker 2: of these guys for Dallas, not playing Dowdell, and just
- 1:17:56Speaker 2: filling up with the ceiling the rest of my lineup
- 1:17:59Speaker 2: where I can get all these guys that you might
- 1:18:00Speaker 2: have to have, So who go go to you? Any
- 1:18:02Speaker 2: other tight end thoughts if not rounded out with defense.
- 1:18:06Speaker 3: Uh, just responding to one kind. I don't have to
- 1:18:10Speaker 3: go to the besthroom yet, but it's good. Yeah, it's
- 1:18:11Speaker 3: getting close, so it's almost time. Uh with the tight end, Yeah,
- 1:18:16Speaker 3: I don't know it, Like I think we all kind
- 1:18:18Speaker 3: of feel similar. Like I don't think anyone looks at
- 1:18:20Speaker 3: these tight ends say, you know, this is the guy's
- 1:18:22Speaker 3: a standout play like it just to me, they all
- 1:18:26Speaker 3: are solid, Like I'm gonna play them, you know, based
- 1:18:29Speaker 3: on how I'm building teams, like, I guess you know,
- 1:18:31Speaker 3: I want them. I want my tight ends to kind
- 1:18:33Speaker 3: of correlate with I guess with the rest of my team.
- 1:18:36Speaker 3: I think that's a uh, you know, one way to
- 1:18:38Speaker 3: do it. When when talking about tight ends specifically, I
- 1:18:40Speaker 3: think that's what you're kind of touching on their tambos.
- 1:18:43Speaker 3: I think that's like kind of the way to do it.
- 1:18:45Speaker 3: Use the tight end pit position to tie up correlations
- 1:18:48Speaker 3: within your team, even if it's not on the main team,
- 1:18:51Speaker 3: you know, secondary stacks and things like that. So that's
- 1:18:53Speaker 3: probably a good way to use the tight end. Use
- 1:18:56Speaker 3: it as leverage, use it as lineup correlation because they
- 1:18:59Speaker 3: all seem pretty similar in regards to defense. Yeah, I
- 1:19:04Speaker 3: don't know. It's it's a tough position. I think the
- 1:19:07Speaker 3: Cowboys probably end up pretty popular. Lions will end up popular.
- 1:19:13Speaker 3: I'm assuming, you know, green Bay, Dallas probably not too much,
- 1:19:18Speaker 3: Bears probably not too much. So it's probably like Lions, Cowboys, Giants,
- 1:19:25Speaker 3: you know, in terms of ownership. But again it's I'm
- 1:19:28Speaker 3: just gonna play him as as the optimizer allows, like,
- 1:19:32Speaker 3: not gonna I'm gonna make sure to you know, I
- 1:19:34Speaker 3: don't get like eighty percent of one defense. I want
- 1:19:36Speaker 3: to spread it out to some degree. But it's you know,
- 1:19:39Speaker 3: it's a very tough position to predict, so no, no
- 1:19:42Speaker 3: hot takes there.
- 1:19:43Speaker 2: Yeah, one easy way to cut into the Jacob's ownership
- 1:19:46Speaker 2: if you're going there later and if you are believing
- 1:19:47Speaker 2: the stuff, and like my non Dolphins lineups, I think
- 1:19:50Speaker 2: it's just add in the Packers, d it's it's in
- 1:19:52Speaker 2: Green Bay. They've been pretty solid throughout the season. Maybe
- 1:19:54Speaker 2: they pick up more steam as the slate goes on.
- 1:19:56Speaker 2: But I think the problem there is you've got the
- 1:19:58Speaker 2: Cowboys title at just one hundred bucks more, so you
- 1:20:01Speaker 2: know what's gonna happen. And I do believe that that's
- 1:20:03Speaker 2: going to be the case. They just assume the Cowboys
- 1:20:05Speaker 2: are gonna eat, and they should. But it's a three
- 1:20:08Speaker 2: game slate, and it could be the difference of you know,
- 1:20:10Speaker 2: two points that Green bands up getting a pick six
- 1:20:13Speaker 2: that beats the Cowboys by two, and that can be
- 1:20:16Speaker 2: huge across the board. Even though it's only two points,
- 1:20:18Speaker 2: it can make up for it on the slate just
- 1:20:20Speaker 2: in general, because most people are gonna be on the Cowboys.
- 1:20:22Speaker 2: So I'll kick it to you. Any final thoughts on
- 1:20:24Speaker 2: defense for the slight.
- 1:20:25Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, also the problem is they're playing mister
- 1:20:27Speaker 5: big Daddy Drew Locke, and that could be a little
- 1:20:30Speaker 5: tough for the Cowboys. Son Cowboys, the highest zone lines
- 1:20:34Speaker 5: the second highest zone. I mean, give you the Lions
- 1:20:36Speaker 5: all day over. Kle Williams with an offense, awful offensive line,
- 1:20:40Speaker 5: and this dude swears he's invincible half the time, like
- 1:20:43Speaker 5: he's spinning trying to juke out with like three defensive linemen.
- 1:20:46Speaker 5: It's actually worked a decent amount. I'll give him credit.
- 1:20:49Speaker 5: I don't think it'll work this week. So if you
- 1:20:50Speaker 5: want to dance around back there, Lions can be in
- 1:20:53Speaker 5: for a big day. You can definitely go kill Williams.
- 1:20:56Speaker 5: Keen pick two of Keenan Moore, a Doonsday Comet and
- 1:21:00Speaker 5: Lions defense.
- 1:21:01Speaker 4: How does they get there?
- 1:21:02Speaker 5: Lions pounce on them early, they get up a lot,
- 1:21:04Speaker 5: Caleb stilts to throw the ball a bunch from behind.
- 1:21:07Speaker 5: You already gets sacks, picks, fumbles, and so I'll be
- 1:21:09Speaker 5: doing that three games late. You definitely can play your
- 1:21:12Speaker 5: defense against your quarterback. Yeah, I'll be Underway Cowboys. I
- 1:21:16Speaker 5: prefer Lions as the second highest owned, and I think
- 1:21:18Speaker 5: the best plays outside of Lions. Give me the cold
- 1:21:21Speaker 5: Weather two Dome games, one game that's twenty degrees. You
- 1:21:24Speaker 5: can play a chain with Dolphins for the same reason
- 1:21:27Speaker 5: you said Jacobs and Packers. And to be honest, man like,
- 1:21:30Speaker 5: I mentioned that Cale Williams half the time, Jordan Love
- 1:21:33Speaker 5: thinks he's Brett Favre and we'll just chuck it down
- 1:21:35Speaker 5: the field a million with like triple coverage. So I
- 1:21:38Speaker 5: think Dolphins defense is really interesting. If they can get
- 1:21:41Speaker 5: from ahead and make the Packers drop back. Love definitely
- 1:21:44Speaker 5: can make mistakes. So yeah, give me Lions and both
- 1:21:47Speaker 5: both defenses in the cold Weather game.
- 1:21:50Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm just looking at a couple of things
- 1:21:52Speaker 2: now that I'll add, because you know, I'm looking for
- 1:21:53Speaker 2: these little nuggets and tidbits across the board. But I
- 1:21:56Speaker 2: believe if you go up three down three, so just
- 1:21:59Speaker 2: a little late swap, I'll get for you Rico Dowdle
- 1:22:02Speaker 2: Cowboys d exact same price as Tracy Junior and Giants.
- 1:22:06Speaker 2: So you literally just flip the build for the exact
- 1:22:08Speaker 2: down three up three, right you go? Is that is
- 1:22:11Speaker 2: that right? Or no? No it's not. But it's close,
- 1:22:15Speaker 2: like it's got to be close, right fifty five, so
- 1:22:17Speaker 2: it's three hundred the other way. But either way, if
- 1:22:19Speaker 2: you got money left on the table, you got an opportunity.
- 1:22:21Speaker 2: Just a close call there. But what I was going
- 1:22:23Speaker 2: to say first.
- 1:22:23Speaker 3: It was yeah, I think you're right, my tweaking, Yeah,
- 1:22:26Speaker 3: you're right. Yeah, it's exactly it's exactly right.
- 1:22:29Speaker 2: Yeah it is yeah, yeah, sir, I had it right
- 1:22:31Speaker 2: the first time. Sorry, because I was I was already
- 1:22:32Speaker 2: thinking about my second thought, which was kind of my
- 1:22:34Speaker 2: first thought. But I went there once I noticed it
- 1:22:36Speaker 2: was going to be a lot of people that go
- 1:22:38Speaker 2: to the Packers for defense. I think we'll still keep
- 1:22:41Speaker 2: Dawdell in there. They'll just flip the d and make
- 1:22:43Speaker 2: it a little bit different, but not everybody, but he
- 1:22:44Speaker 2: does running back defense. So another sneaky thing to do
- 1:22:47Speaker 2: would be to play the Packers D with Tracy, right,
- 1:22:51Speaker 2: because you're saying that it's not going to be Detroit,
- 1:22:53Speaker 2: it's not necessarily going to be the Cowboys. So it's
- 1:22:55Speaker 2: just another flip that you could do. So if you've
- 1:22:57Speaker 2: got the Packers D, you'll see a lot of people think,
- 1:23:00Speaker 2: I didn't go with the popular Cowboys, but I'll keep
- 1:23:03Speaker 2: the popular Doubtle. You could actually flip at and a
- 1:23:05Speaker 2: Tracy on the opposite side say it's that leverage that's
- 1:23:08Speaker 2: beating up the Cowboys D and why they're not needed
- 1:23:11Speaker 2: on this slate, and you've got the difference over to
- 1:23:13Speaker 2: the Packers for three K. So yeah, I think there's
- 1:23:15Speaker 2: some stuff you can do here. Always fun breaking down
- 1:23:17Speaker 2: these Thanksgiving slates titled you got any final thoughts on
- 1:23:20Speaker 2: the slate as a whole.
- 1:23:22Speaker 5: Yeah, always enjoy it with the family, friends, food, you
- 1:23:25Speaker 5: go on to. Don't be just staring at your phone
- 1:23:27Speaker 5: or whatever. But hey, late swap is a thing. So
- 1:23:30Speaker 5: after the game ends, usually we have a little time
- 1:23:32Speaker 5: before the next game is the next game, there's a
- 1:23:34Speaker 5: showdown contests if you think you have a big edge
- 1:23:37Speaker 5: and showdown three solid prize pools for all of them.
- 1:23:40Speaker 5: Last game, very good, We'll have content for that. But yeah,
- 1:23:43Speaker 5: you cannot forget about late sawt stuff during the games.
- 1:23:46Speaker 5: Maybe enjoy it with friends and family a little bit,
- 1:23:48Speaker 5: but hey, enjoy the day for sure. Be safe tonight.
- 1:23:50Speaker 5: If you're going out, let's put some money tomorrow.
- 1:23:53Speaker 2: Yeah whop. Any final thoughts from you?
- 1:23:55Speaker 3: Oh, good luck to everyone. It's a fun day, fun
- 1:23:57Speaker 3: day for football Funday to spend with the fan family
- 1:24:01Speaker 3: and you know, fun day to you know, throw in
- 1:24:03Speaker 3: some some gambling and you know that kind of ties
- 1:24:06Speaker 3: it all together, so it'll be a fun one. Good
- 1:24:08Speaker 3: luck to everyone, obviously. The one thing I did want
- 1:24:11Speaker 3: to point out is, you know late swap, make sure
- 1:24:13Speaker 3: you're kind of checking in to see if you have
- 1:24:15Speaker 3: some you know, potential pivots or late swap situations that
- 1:24:18Speaker 3: you could take advantage of. You know. One one one
- 1:24:21Speaker 3: of the best ways to do that for sure is
- 1:24:22Speaker 3: if you kind of hit something off the wall early on,
- 1:24:26Speaker 3: like lowan stack or lowan play, well, then you can
- 1:24:29Speaker 3: kind of come back to more mainstream type plays and
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