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Cardinals kicking off the offseason · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

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Speaker 1: Cardinal Territory is presented by Fox One and welcome back
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Speaker 1: indeed to Cardinal Territory.
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Speaker 2: It's been a minute. My apologies, I promise I'll explain.
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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Katie Woo, and we are only two
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Speaker 1: weeks ish into the off season, but it kind of
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Speaker 1: feels so.
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Speaker 2: So much longer than that, right, I don't know why.
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Speaker 1: Maybe it's just because post season baseball has been insane,
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Speaker 1: but yeah, it doesn't really feel like it's only been
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Speaker 1: two weeks. Perhaps you've noticed, however, we have switched up
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Speaker 1: our availability. We are only going to have one episode
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Speaker 1: a week of this show, at least for the immediate future.
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Speaker 1: I am going to help out at the Athletic with
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Speaker 1: our National League playoff coverage, as evidenced by the show
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Speaker 1: being recorded straight from my hotel room in Milwaukee ahead
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Speaker 1: of Game one of the NLCS between the Brewers and
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Speaker 1: the Dodgers, because I just can't escape the nl Central apparently,
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Speaker 1: so a minor setback for Cardinal Territory for now, though
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Speaker 1: I am. I'm hopeful we'll have more clarity about the
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Speaker 1: show and its availability in early November. We will also
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Speaker 1: still have Bernie micklass on as well. As a contributor.
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Speaker 1: I'm excited to get him back on the show soon.
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Speaker 1: I know he has plenty to say and talk about
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Speaker 1: with all the changes coming to Cardinals Land over the
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Speaker 1: next few months, So knock on wood. Hopefully we don't
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Speaker 1: miss too much news with the once a week show.
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Speaker 1: But the Cardinals are very much underway with their off
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Speaker 1: season planning, and we'll get to that. But since we
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Speaker 1: are on the subject of playoffs, let's break down the
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Speaker 1: upcoming ALCS, which starts tonight real quick with our presenting sponsor,
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Speaker 2: And the World Series.
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Speaker 1: Tonight Sunday, we have Game one of the ale Yes
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Speaker 1: between the Seattle Mariners and the Toronto Blue Jays, a
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Speaker 1: league championship matchup we definitely all predicted back in April.
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Speaker 1: But seriously, I love this matchup so much, not just
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Speaker 1: for the baseball element, which I will get into, but first,
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Speaker 1: can we talk about the fan bases, I mean, Mariners fans.
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Speaker 1: I actually can very much relate to you guys. I
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Speaker 1: cry a lot too, very emotional, tend to get caught
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Speaker 1: up in the moment, and twenty four years coming back
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Speaker 1: to the Alcs for the first time and generation, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'd be emotional too, so continue crying. It's cool. And
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Speaker 1: then Toronto just a great city to go visit. Playoff
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Speaker 1: Flatty is electric Baseball has been deserving a playoff Vladimir
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Speaker 1: Gerrera Junior for a very long time, and he has
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Speaker 1: certainly risen to the occasion. Two great cities to visit,
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Speaker 1: two great fan bases. Just incredible matchup for the Alcs.
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Speaker 1: But how about before we even get to the Alcs,
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Speaker 1: how about that fifteen inning game Friday night between the
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Speaker 1: Tigers and the Mariners Alds Game five on Fox.
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Speaker 2: Fantastic game. And we'll get to that too.
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Speaker 1: But I actually just want to say I really enjoyed
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Speaker 1: the broadcast, Adam Aman doing play by play, and of
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Speaker 1: course Cardinals fans are very familiar with analyst Adam Wainwright
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Speaker 1: and our guy here at Foul Territory, agent Prasinski. They
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Speaker 1: crushed it. That was just an incredibly well done broadcast.
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Speaker 1: Nine and means in a deciding game, an elimination game
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Speaker 1: is a lot fifteen is.
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Speaker 2: Insane, and they were on it the entire time.
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Speaker 1: I think the term instant classic gets overused a ton,
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Speaker 1: especially in the postseason, but that game was simply October
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Speaker 1: baseball at its best. So I mean the pitching. You
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Speaker 1: have school going down, striking out thirteen. You have both
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Speaker 1: teams going to their rotation to finish out games because
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Speaker 1: they're running out of pitchers. Every time the Tigers would
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Speaker 1: get into a jam, you'd think, Okay, this is it
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Speaker 1: for the Mariners, and it'd be like some weird double player.
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Speaker 2: I don't know, just just a great baseball game.
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Speaker 1: I loved it, watched every second and I hope both
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Speaker 1: CS's bring us that same energy.
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Speaker 2: I hope the ALCS go seven.
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Speaker 1: I have no idea which team is better suited to
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Speaker 1: win that between the Blue Jays and the Mariners again,
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Speaker 1: playoff flattie injecteds by veins.
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Speaker 2: I love it.
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Speaker 1: The Mariners pitching staff nasty, even more so with Brian
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Speaker 1: wlu no relation.
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Speaker 2: Making that ALCS roster.
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Speaker 1: That news was announced earlier today, so you can stream
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Speaker 2: Now. Okay, let's talk Cardinals. Where do we even start?
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Speaker 1: Since Tim Bloom's introduction as Cardinals President at Baseball Operations,
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Speaker 1: there has been some traction in what he promised, which
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Speaker 1: was adding more positions to the organizations, specifically in the
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Speaker 1: front office, rather than subtracting from them. So the Cardinals
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Speaker 1: are currently working on adding to some front office positions
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Speaker 1: and potentially expanding their coaching staff.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the pro scouting thing first.
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Speaker 1: Upon the athletic Earlier in October, we reported that the
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Speaker 1: Cardinals are looking to hire essentially a director of pro Scouting. Now,
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Speaker 1: that might not be the official title of the position,
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Speaker 1: but that is the definition of the job necessarily. This
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Speaker 1: has nothing to do with Randy Floor as a status
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Speaker 1: as AGM and scouting director. Let's break down scouting a
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Speaker 1: little bit, because it can get confusing. They're scouting, right,
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Speaker 1: and then there's different windows. There's international scouting. There is
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Speaker 1: amateur scouting, so that's high school, college, and then there's
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Speaker 1: professional scouting, where you're essentially scouting other teams and other
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Speaker 1: organizations players at.
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Speaker 2: The pro level.
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Speaker 1: The Cardinals are one of the very few teams that
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Speaker 1: are continuing to staff their pro scouting department with actual people.
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Speaker 1: Many organizations, the Cubs being one of them, they just
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Speaker 1: downright or outright eliminated their pro scouting department.
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Speaker 2: The Twins have one pro scout.
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Speaker 1: These organizations are cutting back actual scouts in lieu of
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Speaker 1: programming and projection models. Him Bloom has said he doesn't
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Speaker 1: believe and it or he doesn't want it to be
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Speaker 1: one or the other. He believes that it should be
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Speaker 1: a combination of personal talent and then using your models
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Speaker 1: to make sure that those scouting reports and scouting projections
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Speaker 1: are matching up behind the scenes as well. So, long
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Speaker 1: story short, the Cardinals will add to their professional development
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Speaker 1: all they have seven pro scouts. All pro scouts were
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Speaker 1: retained on one year deals, and this will be the
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Speaker 1: first leadership change under him Bloom because this will be
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Speaker 1: a higher up front office position. Brandy Flores will still
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Speaker 1: remain the director of Scouting at least that as the plan.
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Speaker 1: This will allow him to focus more on amateur He'll
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Speaker 1: still oversee the entire department, don't get me wrong, but
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Speaker 1: he and Ty Boyles, who does the He's the manager
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Speaker 1: of the amateur side.
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Speaker 2: He's basically the number two.
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Speaker 1: We'll focus on high school and college talent, and the
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Speaker 1: Cardinals need to get better at evaluating players in Major
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Speaker 1: League Baseball. That will be the job of this director.
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Speaker 1: If you will again, it might not be that title.
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Speaker 1: So why you ask, Well, you can read about on
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Speaker 1: the athletic and I can just also tell you here
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Speaker 1: data programming, projection models. They tend to rule organizations right
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Speaker 1: now as we switch into the analytics.
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Speaker 2: You know all this, and.
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Speaker 1: Many teams are pivoting for technology over a straight up evaluations.
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Speaker 1: Here's what heim Bloom said about that strategy.
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Speaker 2: He said, I don't see it as.
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Speaker 1: Either or, and I don't think it can be right
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Speaker 1: now in today's game, with the sophistication of the teams
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Speaker 1: we're competing against, if we're not using a rigorous and
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Speaker 1: systematic method to help our process in any area, then
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Speaker 1: we're probably going to get beat because we're not leveraging
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Speaker 1: the best technology.
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Speaker 2: But at the same time. Bloom goes on to say, you.
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Speaker 1: Would want experts to use their knowledge and instinct to
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Speaker 1: help you make better decisions, understanding that there's going to
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Speaker 1: be a lot of systems that are going to help them.
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Speaker 1: I think you get the best results when you're combining that.
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Speaker 1: So this will be new for the Cardinals pro scouting
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Speaker 1: department again, all seven scouts coming back. They are going
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Speaker 1: to be using new models, new projections, new software, new programming,
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Speaker 1: and they're going to have a new director to kind
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Speaker 1: of oversee that entire change. This is totally in line
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Speaker 1: with what Himas said about his preference to add to
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Speaker 1: the front office and create positions instead of eliminating them.
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Speaker 1: Those interviews for that position started taking place last week,
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Speaker 1: so I think the Cardinals would like to have a
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Speaker 1: hire sooner rather than later in that regard, and then
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Speaker 1: there will be a trickle down effect. Support roles will
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Speaker 1: be created for more positions. They're basically what the Cardinals
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Speaker 1: and in player development, they're looking to now do in
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Speaker 1: professional scouting, not nearly to the degree of overhauling, but
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Speaker 1: just adding more staff and bettering the technology.
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Speaker 2: This is a good thing, I really do think. So.
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Speaker 1: Another rumor we've seen floating around. Well, it's not really
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Speaker 1: a rumor when some goes out and says that Yachti
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Speaker 1: or Molina has been in conversations to join the twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty six Cardinals coaching staff. Yes, those conversations have taken
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Speaker 1: place over the last couple of weeks. Let's pump the brakes. Though,
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Speaker 1: while it would be super exciting to have number four
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Speaker 1: in the dugout full time conversations are simply that. It
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything is growing traction. It doesn't mean Yachti
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Speaker 1: is for sure going to get hired. As far as
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Speaker 1: I know, I don't believe the Cardinals are planning for
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Speaker 1: any coaching changes. This could change if others get interviewed
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Speaker 1: for other positions, but I believe the intention right now
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Speaker 1: from Oli Marvel and him Bloom is to keep this
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Speaker 1: corp coaches together. But yes, they are having conversations about
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Speaker 1: potentially bringing Yachti in to maybe a full time role,
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Speaker 1: maybe part time again conversations. It's like when you hear
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Speaker 1: at the trade deadline that teams have interests are in
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Speaker 1: conversations about this player.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that should happen.
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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that the end result is going to
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Speaker 1: be what most Cardinals fans want, which would be Yatti
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Speaker 1: on the coaching staff. It just means that these conversations
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Speaker 1: are taking place. So when things start to heat up
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Speaker 1: and maybe some traction and decision comes, I promise you
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Speaker 1: we'll be there to report it and give you more insight.
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Speaker 1: Right now, all we can say is all that's happened,
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Speaker 1: which is the two sides have talked.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so will you join staff? I don't know. We'll see.
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Speaker 2: Maybe they'll continue talking, maybe they won't.
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Speaker 1: So that's really what's been going on behind the scenes
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Speaker 1: for the Cardinals right now. Again, it's really hard to
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Speaker 1: really jump out your off season when the postseason is
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Speaker 1: still going on.
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Speaker 2: So really what they.
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Speaker 1: Are relegated to doing is creating front office positions, bettering
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Speaker 1: the technology, and looking at making changes or adding to
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Speaker 1: their coaching staff before you know what, the.
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Speaker 2: Real off season will be here.
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Speaker 1: But again, we got to get you the CS and
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Speaker 1: the World Series first, guys, So let's ship right into
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Speaker 1: probably manager Olie Marble, who is again back for the
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six season. Him Blue made that official in
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Speaker 1: his introductory press conference, and there is a story of
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Speaker 1: on the Athletic about Ollie Marble's communication styles and why
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Speaker 1: ultimately he was brought back, and it didn't really seem
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Speaker 1: to be that big of a decision. Actually, it was
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Speaker 1: kind of understood for those of us around the team
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Speaker 1: every day that he would be coming back in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty six. I'll preface this with not someone to like
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Speaker 1: toot my own horn, but this is a pretty expansive
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Speaker 1: story on what people inside the Cardinals organization, the two
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Speaker 1: most important people think of Olie Marble's managerial tactics in
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Speaker 1: terms of managing the clubhouse. We can go back and
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Speaker 1: forth on bullpen management, on you know, lineup whatever. I
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Speaker 1: just spent six months debating those with you guys, though,
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Speaker 1: so excuse me for needing.
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Speaker 2: Just a little bit of a break.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about what I found interesting in reporting this story.
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Speaker 1: I should probably have it up for you, guys, but
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Speaker 1: you can read at the Athletic. It was how the
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Speaker 1: players that the Cardinals are looking to build around spoke
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Speaker 1: about their communication with their managers. So I talked to
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Speaker 1: four players in the story, Brendan Donovan, Alc Gurlison, Mason
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Speaker 1: Wynn and Michael McGreevy.
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Speaker 2: And what do those four players have in common?
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Speaker 1: Well, they all had pretty good seasons and look to
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Speaker 1: be key pieces in this organization's future for twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: six and possibly beyond. And let me tell you something, guys.
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Speaker 1: Players do not usually respond to reporters one week into
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Speaker 1: the offseason after spending seven months with them, eager for
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Speaker 1: an interview. But all four of these players responded very quickly.
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Speaker 1: I was able to get them on the phone, and
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Speaker 1: this was something that they wanted to talk about. And
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Speaker 1: I think that says a lot again because I don't
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Speaker 1: know any player that is willing to doctor reporter on
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Speaker 1: October eighth or ninth. Okay, So, when you think about
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Speaker 1: all the different things that Oli Marble had to manage,
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Speaker 1: just from a personality standpoint, there was the transitioneer, which
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Speaker 1: I hope I literally never have to say that word
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Speaker 1: phrase again.
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Speaker 2: It makes me sick. There was a lot of different
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Speaker 2: playing time.
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Speaker 1: We know about Michael McGreevy situation, We know about Mason
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Speaker 1: Winn playing through an injury. Alec Burlson had to sit
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Speaker 1: the bench for a while, and though he was one
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Speaker 1: of the better players, all for the sake of the
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Speaker 1: front office trying to figure out how they could move
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Speaker 1: forward in twenty twenty six, it's probably the right call
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Speaker 1: for the overall status of the organization didn't make it
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Speaker 1: very easy to manage.
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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty five. And it's a two way street.
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Speaker 1: Your manager has to be on board and your players
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Speaker 1: have to understand the bigger picture behind what's going on here.
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Speaker 1: And I thought it could have gone really sideways with
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Speaker 1: two players. It could have gone really sideways with Michael
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Speaker 1: mcgreeby and Alec Burlson. You're telling me, if you're Michael
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Speaker 1: mcgreeby and you go out there and you have a
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Speaker 1: really encouraging end to your twenty twenty four season, you
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Speaker 1: come into spring training and the whole premise is, oh,
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Speaker 1: let the kids play development season whatever, like, let's get
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Speaker 1: our young guys out there.
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Speaker 2: You go out there and you shove and spring.
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Speaker 1: And for three months, almost four you are not a
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Speaker 1: member of the major league rotation. You can lose a
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Speaker 1: guy really quickly like that, especially because most organizations do
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Speaker 1: not handle their first round picks the way the Cardinals
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Speaker 1: handle their first round picks, Especially the McGreevy situation. It's
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Speaker 1: like an unwritten rule that a first round pick can
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Speaker 1: get preferential treatment, not here in Saint Louis, apparently. But
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Speaker 1: the reason why McGreevy was able to stay level headed
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Speaker 1: and stay understanding of the decisions coming from the front office,
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Speaker 1: even when they really truly weren't fair to him, he
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Speaker 1: credited a lot to Allie's communication with him. Here's some
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Speaker 1: quotes from that story. McGreevy said, I appreciate the way
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Speaker 1: Allie presented the situation with me. He made me feel
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Speaker 1: I was part of the team, even though I was
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Speaker 1: going down to Memphis. From the get go, Alli was
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Speaker 1: very understanding of what I would be going through because
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Speaker 1: he knew I deserved it based on performance. He wanted
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Speaker 1: to make sure my emotions were in check. It's a
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Speaker 1: tough thing to tell a player on the short end
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Speaker 1: of the stick. McGreevy went on to say, he reinforced
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Speaker 1: there was nothing I could do. He'd say, we just
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Speaker 1: need you to be Michael McGreevy and you'll be here
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Speaker 1: in no time. And though that's a cliche, the message
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Speaker 1: in the way it was presented, gave me extra motivation
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Speaker 1: to see what he said about me and put himself
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Speaker 1: out there. He definitely fought for me. He's fighting for me,
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Speaker 1: I'll fight for him. That makes you want to go
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Speaker 1: out there and compete. And because Allie was able to
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Speaker 1: communicate with McGreevy, and McGreevy also credited the Memphis staff,
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Speaker 1: they deserve a ton of credit here as well, was
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Speaker 1: able to go out and put together a pretty respectable
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Speaker 1: second half campaign. And you know, going into spring training
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Speaker 1: now that you have McGreevy, that you can pencil him
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Speaker 1: in as your number four five starter. Okay, probably three
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Speaker 1: or four, given the way that the Cardinals rotation is
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Speaker 1: shaking out, probably maybe a two or three actually, the
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Speaker 1: more I think about it. Point of the point of
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Speaker 1: the story being, you can pencil McGreevy in as a
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Speaker 1: dependable armnustarting rotation because the communication during a justifiably frustrating
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Speaker 1: period was so strong from your manager and your player
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Speaker 1: on the position side. Same thing for Alec Burlson. Alec Burlson,
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, had the best success story in terms
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Speaker 1: of transition, runway, whatever word you want to use, season,
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Speaker 1: and he could have easily gotten complacent or frustrated with
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Speaker 1: the organization because for the third season in a row,
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Speaker 1: they were prioritizing other players over him, even though he
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Speaker 1: was out performing guys like Nolan Gorman, like Lars Mubar,
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Speaker 1: like Jordan Walker. And I remember having multiple conversations, especially
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Speaker 1: early on, with Burley about this, and he said, you
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Speaker 1: know what, I really it's going to work itself out.
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Speaker 2: And he repeated that.
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Speaker 1: In this story, I'll read a couple quotes from Burlison
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Speaker 1: about what he said about the communication from Aulie and
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Speaker 1: bench coach Chaniel, descalso about his role and when he
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Speaker 1: was going to see more consistent playing time. It happened
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Speaker 1: in Milwaukee, of all places. It was mid June, i
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Speaker 1: want to say, in a four game series over the weekend,
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Speaker 1: and Allie came up to Alec Burlson in the dugout
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Speaker 1: and said, Hey, we're going to stay away from you
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Speaker 1: for the next X amount of days. You're not in
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Speaker 1: starting lineup. We're not going to see a lot of you.
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Speaker 1: We have to give some looks to other guys. Here's why.
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Speaker 1: And it would have been so understandable. I Burlson was like,
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Speaker 1: that's dumb. I'm hitting well, I'm performing well. I'm a
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Speaker 1: better right now, a better player results wise than all
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Speaker 1: these guys, and you're gonna sit me. But because it
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Speaker 1: was explained in a way where it was, hey, this
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Speaker 1: is a higher decision. Everyone knows it's not fair to you,
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Speaker 1: but this is kind of what we have to do. Burlison,
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Speaker 1: credit to him, took it in stride. And here's what
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Speaker 1: he said. He said, I remember saying it was going
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Speaker 1: to work itself out. Four months later, it worked itself out.
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Speaker 1: Burlison led the season led the Cardinals this season in
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Speaker 1: ops with eight oh two, a four to fifty nine
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Speaker 1: slugging percentage and a batting average of two ninety, third
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Speaker 1: on the team with eighteen homers, and he also had
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Speaker 1: the third highest on base percentage of eligible players at
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Speaker 1: three forty three.
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Speaker 2: And here's what he said about his season.
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Speaker 1: Burley said, as I grew in the organization and gained
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Speaker 1: some trust amongst the coaching staff, Allie was very transparent
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Speaker 1: with the way things were being handled. There are periods
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Speaker 1: of times where I was sitting against both righty's and
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Speaker 1: lefties and it was good to get some looks at
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Speaker 1: some of the other guys. But he was super transparent,
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Speaker 1: whether it was through him or bench coach channel Toscalso,
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Speaker 1: I knew it was expected of me and what my
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Speaker 1: role was going to be. Allie handle all of that
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Speaker 1: stuff really well and kept me in the loop. I
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Speaker 1: was never really questioning what I was being asked to do.
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Speaker 1: That kind of communication really changed I think how Alec
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Speaker 1: and that is a testament to yes, the communication from
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Speaker 1: took that communication in stride. You can read the full
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Speaker 1: Okay, some news as we head into another week. Albert
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Speaker 1: Pooles perhaps you know the name is the top choice
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Speaker 1: for the open Angels manager job in Anaheim, reported by
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Speaker 1: myself and our Angels writer at the Athletic Sam Blum.
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Speaker 1: Angels general manager Perry miners And came to Saint Louis
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Speaker 1: this weekend to meet with Albert Pooholes and they discussed
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Speaker 1: Albert being the new manager for the Angels. Ron Washington
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Speaker 1: was not brought back and interim manager Very Montgomery could
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Speaker 1: stand the road in the organization, but the Angels will
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Speaker 1: be hiring a new manager. And if owner Arti Reno
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Speaker 1: had it his way, it will be Albert Poohles. So
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Speaker 1: the reason why Perry miners and came to Saint Louis,
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Speaker 1: by the way, because I got a couple questions about that,
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Speaker 1: is because Albert's foundation, the Pools Family Foundation, held a event,
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Speaker 1: a charity event Friday night or Thursday night in Saint Louis.
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Speaker 1: So that's why Perry came here to Saint Louis to
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Speaker 1: interview Albert. They have discussed a potential contract and have
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Speaker 1: pieced together what that coaching staff.
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Speaker 2: Might look like.
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Speaker 1: The meeting was believed to have gone very well, and
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Speaker 1: the two sides again are having preliminary discussions on what
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Speaker 1: a deal could be, though there is no agreement yet
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Speaker 1: and there is not really announcement that's expected to be imminent.
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Speaker 1: The league has a strong preference that league in Major
20:29
Speaker 1: League Baseball, that big announcements are not held during time
20:35
Speaker 1: where there are postseason games going on. You actually believe
20:37
Speaker 1: you actually have to have it approved by Major League
20:39
Speaker 1: Baseball if you want to make an announcement like that.
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Speaker 2: And I think there Angels and Albert in.
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Speaker 1: Particular are still working through the logistics of what managing
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Speaker 1: a major league team would look like he is the
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Speaker 1: favorite choice.
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Speaker 2: Again of Angel's owner Artie Marino.
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Speaker 1: Some multiple sources have told Sam Blem and I that
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Speaker 1: it is essentially Albert's choice if he wants the job.
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Speaker 1: Tory Hunter remains in concation as well. But I don't
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Speaker 1: think there'll be a surprise here unless Albert decides to
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Speaker 1: change his mind. I'm not sure what he's thinking right now.
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Speaker 1: He has said multiple times that he has interest in
21:10
Speaker 1: wanting to be a major league manager.
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Speaker 2: Here's your shot in Orange County. We'll see.
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Speaker 1: One thing that was not surprising on the topic of managers,
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Speaker 1: Skip Schumacher.
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Speaker 2: Congratulations are in order.
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Speaker 1: He was hired as the Texas Rangers a new manager,
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Speaker 1: something that I think we all saw coming when he
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Speaker 1: was hired to be a special advisor under President Baseball Operations.
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Chris Young. So yeah.
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Speaker 1: When Bruce Bochi and the Rangers said it two part ways,
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Speaker 1: it was just a matter of time before Skip was introduced.
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Speaker 1: They and I actually believe they said it at their
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Speaker 1: ennfseason press conference that the Rangers would not be interviewing
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Speaker 1: anyone externally from the organization and their main focus was
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Speaker 1: to hire Skip, so a plus for honesty, not exactly
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Speaker 1: again a surprise, maybe the least surprising managerial role opening
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Speaker 1: so far. But congratulations again to Skip, a friend of
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Speaker 1: the show, front of the podcast, and a Cardinal's favorite.
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Speaker 1: He did a heck of a job with that Marlins team,
22:06
Speaker 1: an unfortunate situation with that front office after the twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty three season in which he returned to the Marlins
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Speaker 1: to the postseason, something that is objectively hard to do.
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Speaker 1: The front office changed. Skip took a gap year learning
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Speaker 1: about the Rangers organization, and now he's back to lead
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Speaker 1: them for a four year contract deal. So congratulations again
22:25
Speaker 1: to the entire Schumacher family.
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Speaker 2: All right, that's what I.
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Speaker 1: Got for you on this episode of Cardinal Territory. Hopefully
22:34
Speaker 1: we will have to do our an emergency podcast like
22:36
Speaker 1: our friends at Krush City Territory after the Houston Astros
22:39
Speaker 1: cleaned house. Great job by Chandler Roman, Tyler Stafford to
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Speaker 1: break all that information down. Hopefully, fingers crossed. It's a
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Speaker 1: nice chill day in Cardinals week, and I survived the NLCS.
22:49
Speaker 1: I've never covered the post season before to this extent
22:51
Speaker 1: because the Cardinals never made it out of the Wildcard
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Speaker 1: Series in my five year tenure here, so I'm excited
22:56
Speaker 1: to experience baseball and cover at a little bit of
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Speaker 1: a higher level, higher level, and hopefully I write better
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Speaker 1: than I speak. Thanks guys as always for watching Cardinal
23:04
Speaker 1: Territory again. I'm your host, Katie. We'll be back next
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Speaker 1: week hopefully Bernie as well.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, thanks as always for watching