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Close the gender loophole in Ohio's rape law | HBR Talk 272 · Honey Badger Radio

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Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk. Two seventy two closed the gender loophole
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in Ohio's rape law. I'm your host, Hannah Wallen, coming to you
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live with strep throat again, like because I can't just get it once.
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I had to go back for seconds. Guys, it was it was just
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so good. But I'm here with nonsense annihilator Lauren Brooks and the personification of
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perceptivity Mike Stevenson, and tonight we're gonna read over the text to that letter
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that I talked to you guys about last week, also to be used for
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an online petition, which I promised when we discussed the case of Miranda Smith,
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who recorded and distributed video of herself sexually imposing herself on her two year
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old son, and then her sentence was reduced because the Ohio Supreme Court decided
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that Ohio's rape law didn't hold that being forced to penetrate major rape victim.
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So the two year old is not a rape victim because he is a boy.
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So let me get that well, I'm going to go ahead and finish
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at the top of the page. And let's open the page here. Oh
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and I do have a thanks from Derek Workman for introducing introducing you guys to
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k Valentine I'm very glad too. I think he does is very important.
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People not paying attention to women's criminal behavior allows women to get away with egregious
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crimes and you end up with, you know, people, people of both
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sexes and all ages getting harmed. There's a lot of abuse that's purpose traded
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by women and caregiving positions like school teachers and nursing homeworkers and stuff like that,
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mothers. So it's really important that we then we remain aware of that
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because there's a whole class of potential victims that we can't protect if we can't
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acknowledge that women can do bad things, which is what this shows about today.
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So what I plan to do with this before we go over this,
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what I plan to do with this letter is as I as I was talking
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about last week, I'm going to send this to my representatives at the state
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level, to my governor, and to my state's attorney general. And then
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I'm also going to create an online petition with this as the text of the
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petition so that people can actually sign on to it and ask the Ohio State
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Legislature to change the wording of the law, and we'll see if we can
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get them to do that and in future shows. Then if I get contact
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back from those offices that I'm sending this too, I will update as well.
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And will this is actually kind of a long letter. We'll read it,
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and I as as I'm reading, you know, if you have suggestions
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or things that that you think need to be added or reworded or things like
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that, go ahead and comment. And if you're listening to this later,
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you know, post your comments and I will, you know, look into
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those and look into editing it before I send it out. Sorry, I'm
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gonna sound bad sometimes throughout the whole show because I actually, I really do
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have strep throat. I just started stupid antibiotic the second round today. But
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in case if we don't get all the way through it today, we'll continue
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it next week. So that's how this is going to go. So starting
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out the body of the letter and what the petition will be is it has
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become a matter of public knowledge following the case of Miranda Smith, who recorded
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and distributed video of herself sexually imposing herself on her two year old son,
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that Ohio's state law against rape has a gender based loophole. Historically, this
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has been an ongoing issue with sexual violence legislation. As laws against various types
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of violence evolved around the protection of women and girls, male victims have historically
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been omitted from consideration. Legislators may have even believed existing law protected both sexes,
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but according to the Ohio Supreme Court, Ohio's rape law only protects victims
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who are sexually penetrated if the sexual assault involves penetration of the perpetrator by any
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part of the victim's body, even against the victim's will. The Supreme Court
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of Ohio has ruled that the crime does not constitute rape. This omission,
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while perhaps an active neglect rather than malice, represents a discriminatory standard set by
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the state in regard to the human right of bodily autonomy. Under existing law,
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an intimate attack by a perpetrator imposing sexual intercourse without the victim's consent is
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deemed a lesser offense if it is done by enveloping the victim's genitalia, rather
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than it is if the perpetrator engages in the same imposition while penetrating the victims
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genitals. So what I wanted to get across um in that paragraph the fact
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that we're discussing a human right, a human right of bodily autonomy. But
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I also didn't want to make the letter super long, so I sort of
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all included it all in one sentence. So you guys have to tell me
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if I need to break that up or if um, if that's all good.
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So this is the letter that you wrote. Yeah, this is the
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letter that I wrote then, and I'm going to be sending this to legislators,
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to um, the governor, to the state attorney general, because the
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state attorney general does uh compose legislation to submit to the legislature to to get
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it voted on as a potential law, he writes bills. UM. In
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fact, the governor used to be a state attorney general and wrote bills for
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this purpose, and actually may have written the previous, previous existing law thinking
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that it would work for both sexes, because you would think, since it
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doesn't say specifically penetration of the victim, it just says penetration, that that
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would cover both penetration of the perpetrator or the victim. But the state Supreme
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Court has determined that that only means penetration of the victim. So yeah,
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you're missing a little something there. Well, And what we read last week
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was egregious, just absolutely egregious. I mean, we're talking a two year
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old child who cannot consent on whom his own mother sexually opposed, imposed herself,
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filmed it, made porn of it, and distributed that porn. So
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his own mother exploited him as a subject of child porn while raping him,
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and the state decided that she wasn't a rapist and that her penalty should be
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that of a lesser crime. Because boy, because I just remembered how fucking
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disgusted I was by this story the first time. I had somehow gotten to
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the point where it was almost scrubbed out of my mind. But that just
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yep. Yeah, Any any feminists who are hate listening to this, um,
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since you guys brag about getting rape law change to include male victims by
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the wording that is essentially the wording Ohio law uses. UM, I do
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expect your signatures on this petition and I welcome them, so that that's something
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that you know, like we should all be united on. You want women
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to be equal, that includes equal accountability, and I believe that the state
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is more conscientious about sexual violence PERPETRATORUM rehabilitation programs for people who are convicted of
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higher crimes than for people who are convicted of more minor crimes. So this
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is definitely something that you know you should want for female perpetrators, that they
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get the right label and that they get the right state assistants in rehabilitating themselves
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as well. Agreed, So this but you're sending this to um, your
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Ohio legislator, right yep, Ohio legislators because this is Ohio state law.
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So but do we would we have to be residents of Ohio in order to
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sign this this this is the petition. Yeah, when I put it up
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in the so, I'm going to do three things. I'm going to send
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it to the to the legislators. I'm going to send it to politicians who
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are usually participants in writing legislations or bills to be passed to legislation. And
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I'm also going to put it up as an online petition that that will be
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drawn to their attention, so that that way, UM, you'll have it
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doesn't just have to be people from Ohio. It's important that Ohio legislators see
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that the public outside of Ohio sees what the law does and whether or not
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they address this loophole because it's it's an embarrassment to Ohio like it's it's an
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embarrassment in my opinion that are And in fact I mentioned that later in the
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letter, our legislators failed to protect our male citizens against an egregious crime that
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they've been told by feminists over and over again is the worst thing that can
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happen to you, even worse than being murdered. So obviously if it's if
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it's going to be the worst thing that can happen to you, and it's
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even worse than being murdered, then there's no there should be no gender protection
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for perpetrators. Right, we'll see. The only the only thing about that
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is is what it's a female rapist, and she rapes a man, she
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can then extract his sperm, get pregnant, have a child, and extort
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that man for money, ye for which shall have to go through the court
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system, and the state gets kicked back for every child that's in the system.
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So please, someone show me how we can fix this, because it's
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it's just it's just a never ending cycle of money exchanging hands and nobody nobody's
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actually giving a fuck about the kids. Yeah, and when you think about
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it. Some of the victims are kids, you know. Yeah, imagine
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imagine facing an obligation to pay financial support to your rapist for another child when
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you are just a child, a young teenager, or even as young as
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eleven years old, Like that'd be crazy. Yeah, But that happens to
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boys, and that is also something that I addressed in this letter. So
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going on such a loophole deems the human right of bodily autonomy to be a
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gendered right, respected and protected when the human in question is female, but
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given a lower standard of protection when the human in question is male. This
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discriminatory standard raises the question of whether the state of Ohio considers men and women
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to be equally human with the right to equal protection under the law, or
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whether the state considers men and boys to be less human than women and girls
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and less deserving of human rights protections that our law and policy offers to women's
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and girls. It should take no more questions than that to inspire Ohio legislators
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to update the law to close that loophole. If something is a human right,
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it is the right of all human beings, not just one sex or
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the other. Right just as important as equal protection under the law is equal
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accountability. And this is something that I also wanted to emphasize because when we
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talk about equality, we all the time talk about equal rights, but we
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are the only people that I hear talking about equal accountability. MRAs are the
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only people I ever hear talking about gender equal accountability. Feminists don't talk about
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it. Conservatives don't talk about it, Liberals don't talk about it, Progressives
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don't talk about it, Communists don't talk about it, just MRA's. The
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sex of or the sex of a crime victim does not define or characterize the
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actions of the perpetrator. Contravention of a human's bodily autonomy or exploitation of one's
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ability to consent reflects the same disregard for one's welfare whether one is male or
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female. The sex of a perpetrator should also not determine one's level of culpability
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for criminal behavior. Trespass against another human being does not become less malicious or
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less callously exploitative because the violator is female. Being female does not make a
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person less capable of appraising her actions or exercising self control. It should not
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reduce one's accountability for respecting the human rights of other people, including the right
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to bodily autonomy. So my question on that one is does it sound too
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harsh for legislators or I like how it throws into questions the question the idea
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of what is female, and it sort of gets around the whole thing like
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even if you identify as female, that doesn't matter, because even if you
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identify as female, you should be able to face the same crimes as someone
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who identifies as male. And I think that's what it's going to annoy lawmakers
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the most, the fact that it is um a unigender for one of a
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better term. It's what I think all laws should be. Unigender bigender a
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law. All laws should ignore the fact that there are male and female people
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and and and just regular you know, regulate things on the basis of whether
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they do harm or not, and and provide services on the basis of whether
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they needed or not. If there's gonna befo, we're gonna have government,
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and we're gonna have laws, and they're gonna affect people's lives, they shouldn't
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have a different effect on the lives of women than they do of men.
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And this is something that feminists say over and over again that they want that
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the law should not affect women differently than it affects men. So this is
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an opportunity to support changes in legislation to make that happen. The law will
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not affect women differently than it affects men. And zero X gives us five
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dollars and says the term is unisex yep, unisex, meaning that you know
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it's it's it applies regardless of your sex. So the law only has one
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sex. The White House sends one. Come on, justice is supposed to
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be blind. Yeah, so going on, maybe maybe there really aren't even
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two genders. Genders there's only one the unisex party. There we go,
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that's that's where we need the unisex party. We've got too many genders.
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Maybe we should run with it in the other direction. There are zero genders
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like that that should be there. You go. That's kind of what this
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whole, this whole screed is about. Fuck genders like arrest criminals exactly.
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Let's see, this is the thing. I mean, you know, people
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who are elected into office don't want to upset those people because they want to
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be re elected. Right. I would love to think that I mean,
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obviously, so far are so good. I'm very happy about this, I
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of course, but um, I just how how much can we trust any
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person in that position to go with what is right versus what they think their
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base, their voter base is going to accept. In allow, Yeah,
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well we shouldn't trust them. Um, we should watch them like hawks.
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It's one of the reasons why there will be updates as if I get any
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contact back from them, And if I don't get any contact back from them,
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like I go weeks and weeks and I haven't heard anything, we'll do
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a show about that too. Like nobody answered me. I wonder why they
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don't want to talk about this, right, that'll that'll be the topic.
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Um. And and if any of them is willing to, you know,
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come on and talk about the legislation that that'll be that would be great too.
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I would love that. But at the very least, like if I
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get I contacted. When I wrote to federal legislators about the Campus Save Act,
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which it actually turned out had already passed the article that had reported on
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it as a piece of legislation that was under consideration, the writer was mistaken,
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but so I wrote to all of my federal legislators from Ohio and even
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a couple that were not my legislators but were for other districts. And I
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wrote to both of the senators and the only person who wrote back to me
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was our Democrat senator, and he wrote me a bunch of bullshit. I'm
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not kidding, like he did not read my letter, and it was obvious
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it was written by am an interne who didn't do well in English, you
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know, grammar and composition at in school. Um, there where there were
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mistakes. I published it in a voice for men. I made a meme
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with the senator's official image because those are public domain. You know. I
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gave that bitch some bullshit. Bitches love bullshit. Um but but yeah,
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that because that pissed me off. But UM, I don't expect it to
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be that bad at the state level because as you get, as you dropped
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down in levels, politicians are more likely to respond. So I'm hoping I'll
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get at least a few people that will respond back to me. Um,
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I expect that at least one will respond. With the law already covers boys,
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and here's how, but it doesn't it with specificity. And my answer
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is basically going to be I don't. I don't think the Supreme Court is
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going to interpret anything less than exact specificity to cover boys. You could say
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a million ways that this applies to victims of both sexes, as applies to
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perpetrators of both sexes. But if you don't have the word penis in the
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law, you are not going to get the Supreme Court's approval for convicting rapists
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who sexually exploit somebody with one. So there you go. But but I
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went on with this discussion about equal treatment because I wanted to really hammer home.
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So the next thing I set in here is if ensuring that the state
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of Ohio offers all citizens equal treatment under the law is not enough, the
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impact of sexual violence on male victims provides ample reason to update the standard.
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So I've referenced at one more time, sort of in a segue to victims
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deserve equal protection because they're equally wounded by this. Male victims are physically endangered
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and often harmed when they experience intimate attack. Physical force can injure a manner
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boy, just as it can injure a woman or girl. Males are as
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vulnerable as females to infectious diseases that can be transmitted during sexual contact. Neither
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the sex of the victim nor that of the perpetrator changes the fact that these
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injuries can result from an intimate attack. The law should not treat that risk
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is more acceptable when it is inflicted by a female p traitor or upon a
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male victim, right, because I mean, outside of a few genital diseases
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that you contract by sex, a woman penetrating a man with an object is
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not going to necessarily transmit disease, you know, unless there's actual like skin
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to skin contact. Right, So it's completely overlooking that fact that men are
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vulnerable, completely vulnerable and just as susceptible to contracting disease. I mean,
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geez, and there are sexually transmitted diseases. It can cause cancer, right,
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right. And so there was just a report release that Mumia City and
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A Lee is talking about on his channel how the rate of STDs and I
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think it's in Houston has increased by one hundred and twenty eight percent. Yeah,
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Okay, it's just insane what's going on and going around out there.
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And you know, of course we have someone who has one of these diseases,
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one of these one hundred and twenty eight percent increase. Motherfuckers and they
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decide that they want to take advantage of someone. Well, let's look in
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California, they made it completely um it's it's not illegal to infect a person
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with HIV even if you know that you have it. Yeah, they completely
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decriminalized it. Yeah. That one of the things that has thrown people into
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the into the into the weeds, because it's very easy for a male to
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infect a female with HIV, but comparatively very very difficult for a woman to
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infect a man with it. I don't know how true that is, but
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HIV infections account for a pretty small percentage of secially transmitted diseases, and people
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are generally aware of those things. We've we've experienced the faith or scare campaigns
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ever since the eighties, and everyone's aware of those problems. But the vast
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majority of STIs can go in another direction because there's you know, sort of
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well, they're not based on fluid, they're based on just contact. What
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people don't realize is with the advancements that we've had in treatment for HIV,
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that can make people non contagious altogether, like they're they can even be you
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can even have um, the medication can get you to a point where it's
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undetectable in your system. Um, you know we're testing for it doesn't show
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it, which which makes you very unlikely to transmitted to anybody. Right.
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But yeah, they're playing as they're playing ads all the time that always it's
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always black people that they have. Yeah. Yeah, it's because the black
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population has been heavily impacted by that that uh particular STD. But and and
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it's you know, it's maybe unfair, um, but it's it's reality.
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So you want to advertise the treatment to the people that are most likely to
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need it. Yeah. But the other thing is, like there are multitude
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of varieties hybrids, I guess of HPV right, um, genital warts.
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Genital warts can cause cancer, It can cause genital cancers, and it can
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cause throat cancer. It's right. So if if a woman's penetration by forcing
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a man to perform oral sex on her, and she infects him with genital
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wartz, she may have killed him. Some people are very vulnerable to cancer.
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Some people also are not very good at doing the types of detection they
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need. Some people use tobacco products, oral tobacco products, chewing tobacco and
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stuff like that and make themselves more vulnerable to cancer. And if you have
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that combination of carcinogens and a disease that makes you more likely to have mutations
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in your cellular reproduction in your mucous membrane, you are more likely to get
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throat cancer or oral cancers because of that. So you can you know,
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it won't kill him today, you know, or tomorrow, but it's still
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you still killed someone if you force them to perform moral sex and you transmit
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HPV and down the line it leads to them getting a cancer that turns out
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to be deadly because there their system is more vulnerable to it, or because
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they have other added vulnerabilities, you know. So so yeah, it's it's
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not like it's not like you can say that just because, um, you
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know, the the male transmission of STDs comes from where STIs comes from,
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you know, something of a gun firing system, and the female version is
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more of a smear tactic. It's still it still works that way, right,
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You're still endangering yourself. It's one of the reasons why I tell young
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men that you know, don't worry about whether people are socially shaming you or
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not. Virginity is safe. You know, be a virgin until you're ready
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to settle down with somebody that you trust. There's nothing wrong with that.
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You know, you're protecting yourself against We're at war with bacteria and viruses.
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Our species is at war with those species. We now have antibiotic resistant bacteria
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that actually shoot at the drugs that we use for it. They have a
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biological weapon that they fire off at the molecules of medicine that bond with this
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molecule of medicine and change it to something that's not poisonous to the to the
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bacteria with you know, the side effect of water and it's it's got a
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name like hydrolyzing or something like that that that it is the effect that it
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has it neutralizes the antibiotic so it no longer works. And there's a whole
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spectrum of these types um and and some of them are bacteria that come out
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of your bowels and they're they're called um oh gosh, I can't think of
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a type the name of the type of antibiotic, but it starts with a
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C and they're they're they're cr e bacterias or carbona something i'd um resistant bacteria.
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They're very dangerous. Some of them we have no treatment for at all.
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And there is now a super gonarrhea. Just can you imagine getting super
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goneria? So yeah, so some shit it uh it is very hard to
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get rid of, we'll put it that way. Yeah. So so this
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is one of those things where like when we talk about this, you know,
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it's gross, But the bottom line is when people talk about body counts
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and all the various crude ways that we can talk about, you know,
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sex and all that, they have a point. Um, both sexes have
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a point in wanting their partners to not have fucked everything that moves right,
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all right, But then but then they but then they shame people who don't
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have sex or don't have sex as frequently as maybe they do, or the
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average person they call them in cells. Yeah, yeah, look, be
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proud to be an in cell. Keep it in your pants because these bitches
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out here, they're dirty, they're nasty, and it is. This is
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as much a caution that that that men should take as as women. You
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are just as much in danger from STIs as women are. You have to
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be careful, you know, and it it's the other reason why I always
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say, you know, like, yeah, there's there's a there are dozens
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of types of birth control that women have, and women should use that.
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But I don't care if she's using five different things. You should still wear
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a condom because it protects you from at least some STIs not all. You
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can still get herpes with a condom on, all right, you can still
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get HPD with a condom on. But at least you know it'll protect you
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from some STIs, right, And that's just that's my take on it.
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You know, don't don't you be picky, be be very picky. Vet
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women for character. Women should vet men for character, that's you know.
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And and it's definitely essential that we impose equal accountability on perpetrators regardless of their
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sex, because they put their victims in equal danger, regardless of their sex,
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and regardless of the victim sex. Because of just this one factor.
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STIs are very dangerous. And you know, we've we've done exactly the wrong
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thing. I think in our war against infectious diseases. We enlisted chemicals when
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we probably should have been more aggressive about, you know, forming unspoken treaties
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with beneficial microbes. Instead, let them do the fighting for us, so
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you know, or at least made that the primary thing we did and we
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didn't and we may not be able to so. But going on it was
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I felt that it was very important to get that across, that that injury
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is not something that you know, size doesn't affect that injury. It's not
35:44
something that you can say, well, women are less likely to do this
35:46
because they're smaller and weaker. Nope, if she's got her pies, she
35:51
can pass that to you, no matter whether she is bigger and stronger than
35:55
you, or whether you could break her like a twig if you wanted to
36:00
so. And I went on to say eight male victims are financially endangered and
36:08
often harmed by their intimate attack. Erection and ejaculation are not voluntary actions,
36:15
but can occur even if the victim is a verse, afraid, or in
36:20
some circumstances, physically incapacitated. In other words, um, you don't get
36:28
you don't get whiskey dick from GHB right right, or uh from from being
36:35
out of your mind on on other drugs that that cause you to be to
36:39
lack awareness, but don't depress your system. M hm. So you know
36:46
these these things can happen, and even even um if you did. You
36:55
know again, there have been women who have committed sexual assault by orally raping
37:05
a guy instead of that raping, raping him vaginally. And that's We've seen
37:12
news stories where at least one of a college student who did that too a
37:16
guy and then accused him. So there's that these autonomic responses to stimulation do
37:23
not constitute consent to anything. An enimate attack can result in conception against the
37:30
male victims will unlike female victims. Male victims do not have any opportunity to
37:38
terminate a pregnancy that was conceived by their partner's assault against them. Perpetrators assault,
37:45
Yeah, by their perpetrator's assault. Yeah, he said partners. At
37:51
first, I was like, whoa, it's it says perpetrator, and just
37:58
I will. I will admit. I'm on a few medications. I don't
38:00
usually take um cold medicine because decongestent makes me bitchy. But and that that's
38:07
that's putting it mildly. The congested makes me a psycho bitch from hell.
38:13
But I did take a half a dose. Oh geez. So you know
38:19
you know how you feel when um, someone gets on your last nerve,
38:22
and and then and then immediately after that the next thing that happens. How
38:29
that feels, M Well, imagine if you took a pill, and if
38:35
that pill had a six hour um time of effect, that for five hours
38:39
after you took that pill, you felt that way. That that's what that's.
38:45
I don't know why, but um, like, I can't take regular
38:51
pseudoephidrine and the other kind that's okay for my heart. Well it's not as
38:57
bad for my heart as the kind that I absolutely can't have. UM it
39:02
does that to me, so I don't usually take it. I'm like,
39:09
I'll be ready to strangle someone for six hours if I take like the whole
39:14
dose, but the half dose I'm just you know, a little bit fired
39:17
up. But it also it also had um a cofts of pressant and coughts
39:23
of pressant sort of. That's why I'm speaking slowly. I've kind of numbed
39:30
my throat and everything, So I like, I'm I sound up pretty probably
39:36
sound pretty normal, but I sound awfully slow and maybe a little weird in
39:40
my speech. It's the drugs. I'm not. I'm not a drug person.
39:45
I'm really really a whimp when it comes to chemical effects and stuff.
39:52
Yeah, so, and it seems like they're starting to really kick in because
40:00
they weren't at the beginning of the show, and now I'm like underwater.
40:07
But yeah, this paragraph, I'm what I'm going to try to get across
40:10
with this is that when a guy is a victim of female perpetrated rape and
40:20
a baby is conceived, he is a victim of the imposition of unplanned fatherhood
40:27
against his will, and he should have the same rights that a female victim
40:35
has, even if they have to be accommodated in an entirely different way.
40:39
And I'm not going to argue to legislators that male victims of an intimate assault
40:52
should have the right to force their female perpetrators to abort if there's a child
40:59
conceived. But if you know, if abortion is not wrong, and if
41:07
it's it's a right to control your own body by aborting, and in the
41:15
case of you know, consensual sex, or if the woman is a victim,
41:21
then there is no real moral objection to giving a male rape victim the
41:31
right to force his perpetrator to abort if she gets pregnant, or the very
41:37
least he shouldn't have to pay for that child directly through child support or indirectly
41:43
through his taxes. Right, So what I'm asking for is way more reasonable
41:47
than give guys the right to force their rapist to abort if they get pregnant.
41:52
So what if anybody you know is looking at this and thinking of it
41:58
as objectionable, like maybe again feminists who hate watch us, that's something to
42:04
consider because I would question whether a woman who commits rape has the right to
42:15
cry but my bodily autonomy, But my bodily autonomy when she doesn't want to
42:21
submit to a forced abortion. But I'm not asking for forced abortion, and
42:28
so I think it's fair, a fair compromise what I am asking for here.
42:34
A male victim has no choice in whether an intimate attack makes him a
42:39
biological parent if he does not or cannot take custody of his child. Because
42:45
remember, male victims of intimate attack can be very young, and some,
42:52
just like some girls, start their periods at nine years old. Even though
42:55
it's a rare thing, some boys become fertile before they become teenagers. They're
43:02
not even old enough to maybe have a paper route, but they can conceive
43:07
a child in that circumstance. And so a guy. There has been one
43:13
case that I saw where the victim was eleven years old and the court imposed
43:22
a child support obligation on him, an eleven year old fifth grader. That's
43:32
just disguising. Yeah, it's the hormones. They're putting it in the milk.
43:38
It's quite possibly the hormones. Yeah, well, and it's also quite
43:43
possibly. Like my friend's doctor when we were kids and she started hers at
43:47
nine said, this didn't used to happen. But humans didn't used to receive
43:53
the high level of nutrition that we do. And so overall women's capacity for
44:05
producing larger babies has has come from that, and girls becoming fertile and having
44:13
to deal with, you know, all of the ins and outs of periods
44:16
for a longer part of their lives has come out of that. It's like
44:21
the body is in better shape because of that, and that's that's affected both
44:25
sexes. So I don't know, I might have a little problem with that
44:31
because, uh, you know, this is happening in the hood too,
44:36
where yeah, but you might they don't. They're not eating, they're not
44:39
eating well. And this is not just this generation. This is a generational
44:45
thing that um, you know, didn't the crap eat crap, live like
44:52
crap. I don't that. He was talking more about the difference between like
44:55
the starvation diets of humans. I had to struggle to find food versus the
45:01
high calorie diets that we have today. And even junk food has a lot
45:06
of calories. In fact, junk food has more calories than healthy food.
45:10
Is it a high calorie thing though that that would spark like good and early
45:15
early Um, yep, getting a lot of calories, getting a lot of
45:21
nutrients can do it. Getting a lot of calories can do it. And
45:23
then you know you we've got the school lunch program and all that as well,
45:28
So even kids that aren't getting a lot of nutrition at home or at
45:32
least getting some at school. So I just just the whole situation. Boys
45:37
and girls are are vulnerable to this, so they're putting it in the milk,
45:45
put food. You can't tell me any different. I mean, I
45:50
have a meme about that. I'll send it to you. Do you think
45:52
it's a milk? Yeah? No, Um, although there's not as many
46:00
there's not as many hormones in your meat now as there used to be,
46:05
But there there's a lot and then you know, you also have um like
46:09
all the fortified like breakfast cereals and all that have vitamins and minerals added to
46:15
it and all kinds of stuff. So there you go, uh and and
46:19
and then the other thing as a shitload of stuff has soy in it,
46:23
and soy like sort of improves your estrogen levels or increases your estrogen levels if
46:30
your female exactly you know, exacerbates your estrogen levels. If your male,
46:38
um so, it not a good thing. And it can see see the
46:46
gluten of the right Yeah, it'll make your dick fly off. Oh great,
46:52
and we're gonna have you got a song song by King Missile stuck in
46:58
my head detachable ers. So I'm gonna go on with this. So I
47:08
basically pointed out here. The victim where it is it, Yeah, I
47:15
scrolled up too high, has no choice in whether he becomes a father.
47:19
If he does, does or cannot take custody of his child conceived. Under
47:22
this circumstance, a male victim may be extorted for child support by the mother
47:28
who has custody at least until the birth of the child. Now, in
47:31
the state of Ohio, if you're convicted of rape, you cannot have custody
47:36
of a child that was conceived during the rape. And that was one actually
47:44
a bunch of us wrote to Ohio legislators. I was one of many people
47:51
who wrote to Ohio legislators about that after hearing both feminist protests about it and
48:01
reading about cases where women who have been convicted of rape. It's I have
48:09
the hard time giving the title mother to somebody like that. But women who
48:15
have been convicted of rape have kept the baby that was conceived during that rape.
48:21
And then when they apply for welfare, the victim gets extorted by the
48:27
state for child support to cover her welfare expenses, and so now the mother
48:34
cannot have custody. But if they put the child in a foster home.
48:37
You know, an adult woman rapes a teenage boy that she's babysitting or preteen
48:45
boy that she's babysitting and gets pregnant, and the state takes the baby,
48:50
but the child doesn't take custody. The grandparents don't take custody, so they
48:53
put the child in foster care. The boy is still going to have a
48:58
child support obligation. If you're in foster care, the state imposes a child
49:01
support obligation. So it will it won't. It won't protect the victim.
49:10
It'll protect the child, which is good, but it won't protect the victim
49:15
of the sexual violence. So I added on or the state, or by
49:23
the state, on behalf of foster parents. Historically, courts have even imposed
49:30
child support obligation on male victims who themselves were children too young to legally obtain
49:36
gainful employment. This is at least an eighteen year long financial consequence of being
49:43
raped, an unreasonable imposition on victims of sexual violence that uniquely affects those who
49:50
are male. Current Ohio law does not provide any victim exemption, yet it
49:54
is lenient toward the perpetrator who inflicts such a lengthy and su sarious consequence on
50:00
the victim, since she would do so without penetrating him. So that puts
50:08
that that puts legislators in a position of having to acknowledge that under current Oio
50:15
law, they would be punishing some rape victims by imposing an eighteen year long
50:23
child support obligation on them. If the only thing that I would say maybe
50:30
could be added would be maybe like some actual cases that happened, you know,
50:36
because saying it is one thing. Yeah, but when you point to
50:38
an actual case where it has happened, then they can't turn away and say,
50:43
oh my god, this never happened. Oh yeah, Well no,
50:46
actually you have a blog post about that. I can pull those cases,
50:51
the paragraph with those cases and add that to this. I'm gonna type for
50:57
a minute, he notes, so I know to add it. I got
51:06
a couple of people in mind that I would like to send this to.
51:08
Yeah, so a new tribute on discord. Oh oh oh, I see
51:13
what you mean. I thought you were saying a couple of people, a
51:15
couple of cases of mind. But yeah, definitely definitely send the link.
51:21
I'm gonna be sending it to the National Coalition for Men and asking if they
51:28
have any advice for anything I can add to it too, because I want
51:31
this to be a rock solid. Yeah. And so, just as as
51:37
it aside, while you're typing, I'll say this. So, I got
51:42
an email from the owner of our my business, and basically there's a law
51:49
that is trying to be passed to allow Tesla to sell cars directly to the
51:54
consumer in state of Connecticut. Out the email that she said was just everybody
52:05
must vote no, you have to vote no. Everybody, just please vote.
52:08
No. Argument about why, you know, no, no listing of
52:14
you know, what is actually even being stated or argued in this legislation.
52:19
Just nope, you have to say no. And I'm guarantee you because it's
52:23
a female, I guarantee because I kind of know a little bit about this
52:30
woman. She just hates Elon. She just hates Elon Musk And well,
52:35
I mean she has other reasons because you know, of the industry that we're
52:38
in, but she just does not like Elon. And if he's going to
52:44
you know, profit in any way, shape or form in the state of
52:46
Connecticut, it's nope, nope, nope, can't happen. But it's now.
52:53
I doubt, I highly doubt that there's a good percentage of the co
52:59
workers that would even dare to respond. But then go on and you know,
53:06
yes, vote no on this thing. I'm pretty sure most of them
53:09
don't care. There might be something that do. But are there any is
53:14
there anybody out there questioning this thing besides me? You know, like,
53:19
just just because she told me that I have to say no, I want
53:22
to find out why I need to say yes, because I don't like being
53:24
told what to do. So. Basically, the law is just going to
53:30
allow people the choice to buy cars directly from a car manufacturer. M what's
53:38
wrong with that? Well, because so, God, there's a long history
53:45
and I kind of wish Packard Tom was here because even though he's a little
53:50
bit long in the tooth, he will not long and he'll know. I
53:52
know, he will know, he will know. But um, the NADA,
53:57
the National Automotive's Association, basically has a path and it's been in place
54:06
for as long as cars have been being sold to consumers in this country.
54:12
Well not as long. I'm sure there was a wild before this inception.
54:15
But so that's kind of the contract that they have. Now. When you
54:23
sell a car over in Europe, you're not allowed to mark up the price
54:28
of the car. What it is is what it is, and you you
54:30
know, they have to figure out how to pay the salesman. I'm sure
54:34
it's probably just a regular salary or whatever, but I can't imagine that they
54:38
would earn commission if they're just selling. I don't know anyway, but that's
54:44
not how it works in the United States. When you have the MSRP,
54:49
that's just the baseline. You know, the dealership can then tack on charges
54:54
and charge to the customer more because just for the simple fact that they're purchasing
55:00
it through a dealer and not from the manufacturer itself. Um. And what
55:07
is the stand for an MSRP? I know it's manufacturer and recommended price.
55:13
What's the S stand for? I think it's standard standard recommended price. Okay,
55:17
So here's here's what I would say about that. That sounds like a
55:21
cartel h you know, and and a monopoly system. And I would think
55:30
that a a person like Musk should be able to sue but probably won't.
55:37
Um if if the monopoly it engages in this kind of practices to prevent uh
55:46
competition like that. But in any case like that, that seems really hinky
55:53
and shady. Um if you ask me. Yeah, but he broke the
56:00
mold. He broke the mold in California. Once they let him, they
56:04
let him do it, you know what I mean. Now it's just a
56:06
matter of state legislation having going along with the ones that have already allowed him
56:13
to do it. And he doesn't necessarily need to expand. I mean,
56:19
people, if you want a tesla, you know where to go and get
56:21
one. But it would just make it, it would make it easier for
56:24
distribution because I don't think he has any East Coast outlets over here. I
56:31
know he's got Vegas, he's got California. I'm pretty sure he's in Texas
56:36
too. But like, if you go into malls, you'll see like a
56:39
Tesla. It's like just like that the Apple store, right, They'll have
56:45
a car in there, and you'll have a couple of people in there,
56:46
and that their job is literally to take your order for their car. It's
56:52
like ordering a car from McDonald's. It's the easiest thing in the world and
56:55
it takes away so much layers. Uh, just a middle man. Yeah,
57:01
exactly. People should be able to do that. I would vote yes
57:06
on that. I'd like there isn't anything I could hear in that that that
57:10
that says, you know, we shouldn't be doing this. It's lifting or
57:14
a restriction that seems to me to be protecting a monopolistic practice rather than protecting
57:22
the consumer. So there you go. Um. But but yeah, I
57:29
don't know if people will think that deeply about it, but that is that
57:31
is interesting. I'm gonna I'm gonna engage in this monopolistic practice and ask you
57:38
to vote or order you to vote a certain way because I hate this,
57:44
man says typical woman. Right, So there you go. So I've got
57:50
my little note here for me to add this, and I will go back.
57:52
That's one of the things that I'll add. And when we talk about
57:55
this little more next week, I'll give the updates on this is what it's
58:00
this is what it looks like, and hopefully UM be be ready or close
58:07
to ready to post it as a petition that people can sign on to and
58:13
share with others and get them to sign onto it. Uh and uh,
58:16
we'll see what we can. We can get it, you know, hopefully
58:21
we can get it changed in Ohio. And if we get it changed in
58:23
Ohio, that might actually set a standard that will cause other states to reevaluate
58:31
their laws and maybe federal law too, because it's important. It's it's very
58:37
important that the wording of the law prevents the courts from ruling that the law
58:45
um allows for discrimination and therefore one one perpetrator is less accountable than another.
58:54
Yeah, that that actually And I mean somebody could could always like sue and
59:01
force the state to change the law, but I think the legislators themselves are
59:08
going to want to change it to avoid that and rather than you know,
59:15
letting it get to that point. So that I went on then to talk
59:22
about um actual psychological vulnerability, because it's one of the things that people don't
59:31
consider at all when it comes to men, Like they talk about the lack
59:37
of physical vulnerability that people believe men to have, you know, like you're
59:42
all Superman, your bulletproof, ten feet tall, you know, and all
59:45
that stuff, right, and even though we know that's not true, people
59:50
will treat you like it. When it comes to violence committed by women.
59:53
Well, that's that's amplified. That discriminatory treatment is ample deified when it comes
1:00:00
to the emotional effect of female violence. And I think I had a super
1:00:05
chat here that I missed. Um xernx gave us five dollars and said intentional
1:00:09
transmission of HIV from infected to not was made a misdemeanor in California. This
1:00:15
is a result of the advancements Hannah mentioned. Okay, so they it's not
1:00:20
it's not that it's not illegal, it's that it's a lower crime now because
1:00:23
it used to be flat out murder, but now it just inflicts a long
1:00:29
term medical problem. Um, you know who's really getting arrested and going to
1:00:36
I mean nobody. Well, misdemeanor crimes is a very different system of dealing
1:00:42
with those. Yeah, so, so, male victims are emotionally and psychologically
1:00:49
harmed by their attack, even if they don't have to confront the complicated emotional
1:00:54
considerations of imposed, unplanned, and unwanted parental status in a culture that treats
1:01:02
all involved fathers as willful deadbeats. So, and that's another one. It's
1:01:07
it's sort of a segue between there is an emotional component to being made a
1:01:15
dad against your will, right, Because if they don't want to be dads
1:01:20
and they want to back off of that and not be part of the child's
1:01:23
life, not pay child support, even though fatherhood was imposed on them via
1:01:30
rape, they'll still get called deadbeats. Right. But even if conception doesn't
1:01:37
happen, female victims, although they may not be universally supported in their recovery,
1:01:43
do have community and justice system support, But sparse representation in the justice
1:01:49
system and advocacy community can isolate a male victim, leaving him on his own
1:01:54
to deal with emotional trauma that it can include feeling of anger, powerlessness,
1:02:01
shame, disbelief and shock, anxiety, fear, emasculation, and depression.
1:02:13
While suffering these reactions, he may experience a lack of compassion from even those
1:02:20
in his own social circle. As female perpetrated, animate attacks on male victims
1:02:24
are often treated in popular culture as positive or humorous experiences for the victim,
1:02:30
giving the impression that he would not need their consideration. However, just as
1:02:37
a female victim does, a male victim may feel made unclean by the experience,
1:02:44
especially if anything about the nature of it violated his moral, ethical,
1:02:49
or religious code, or if the assault inflicted upon him included a sexually transmitted
1:02:54
infection. He may feel dishonored, exploited, violated, or duped. A
1:03:01
man raped by envelopment is likely to suffer confusion or cognitive dissonance, as the
1:03:07
memory of his body's involuntary reaction and his knowledge of how sex works compete with
1:03:14
his knowledge that he did not want what was done to him. His experience
1:03:19
of emotional pain related to the rape will likely compete with his understanding of society's
1:03:24
attitudes towards about men and sex, and in particular, the expectation frequently displayed
1:03:31
in popular culture that men always want and appreciate sexual content their contact. He
1:03:39
may question his own sexuality because of social attitudes about men and sex. You
1:03:45
know, guys, guys get asked when they they say they have been a
1:03:52
victim of a female perpetrated rape, what are you gay? You know?
1:03:58
And if he if he is, then he's just been shamed for it.
1:04:02
And if he's not, you know, what is that like? How dare
1:04:08
you not want this woman that you were not attracted to or that you were
1:04:12
going to choose not to sleep with. How dare you get upset that she
1:04:15
took away your choice in the matter? What are you gay? Like?
1:04:20
What kind of question is that? And yet almost every guy that I've talked
1:04:25
to that has disclosed to me that he's been a sexual sexual violence victim that
1:04:31
that had a female perpetrator has told me that somebody asked him that question,
1:04:36
what are you gay? Like? Why would you say that? You'd have
1:04:45
to be an idiot. There must be a lot of idiots in the world,
1:04:49
But that's that's something that you know, nobody ever asked me when I've
1:04:55
said I've said, yeah, I've been a victim of male perpetrated sexual violence.
1:04:59
Nobody's ever said you, well, you didn't like it? What are
1:05:00
you a lesbian? You know, nobody's ever said that to me. He
1:05:08
may blame himself for the experience, even if his attacker was violent, even
1:05:14
if he protested, even if he was averse to the attack, even though
1:05:18
he was averse to the attack. If he has involved in an intimate partner
1:05:24
relationship, he may he may even experience a sense of guilt, as though
1:05:28
he had betrayed his partner by being raped. And I actually know, I
1:05:33
knew one guy whose partner knew the details used the word rape to describe what
1:05:44
happened to her fiance and then called him a cheater for experiencing it, like
1:05:58
treated it as if he actively and willfully betrayed her by getting raped. So
1:06:09
that was in my opinion, the perpetrator is guilty of inflicting an experience on
1:06:15
him that affected his relationship with his partner. Granted his partner was an asshole,
1:06:23
but that's a lousy way to find that out. Yeah. Because boys
1:06:29
are trained from early childhood to be more stoic than girls, male victims are
1:06:35
more likely to internalize their emotional responses to being raped. Having learned to keep
1:06:42
private any experience of vulnerability, self doubt, hurt, anxiety, or fear,
1:06:47
they cannot simply flip an emotional switch and begin explaining these responses to others
1:06:55
after an emasculating experience. They may even be ashamed to admit such a vulnerability.
1:07:01
Having been raised to be independent or self dependent, many men and boys
1:07:05
are ill equipped to seek help in assessing and addressing the emotional fallout when experience
1:07:12
is following a rape. They may feel obligated to put on a brave face
1:07:16
or carry on as if they are unaffected by the experience. I think,
1:07:25
um, you might also want to point out, and I don't know if
1:07:30
this would even serve this letter, well, because if you've this is amazing
1:07:35
so far. But you know, I think I would bring up something about
1:07:44
how when you know these these hot lines, right like, if you've been
1:07:48
a an abuse victim called these hot lines, Well, when men call,
1:07:54
what did they get told? They said, oh, well, look you're
1:07:57
an abut and you need you need anger management, press this button, you
1:08:00
know what I mean? They think they get treated like they can't be victims
1:08:06
exactly exactly. So even if there is help where is it? How do
1:08:12
they find it? Because it seems like they just get shocked and job at
1:08:16
every turn, you know it. Yeah, And when you're in that situation,
1:08:23
when you if god, if you've even got the temerity about you,
1:08:28
if you've even got your what's about you to try and find help? What?
1:08:33
How does it feel when everywhere you turn you get shown the door or
1:08:38
get told that you're the problem? You know? That actually is a really
1:08:44
important point. And I think after after they say they may feel obligated to
1:08:50
put on a brave face and carry on as if they feel unaffected by the
1:08:54
experience, I'm gonna have to say something about um, them having to look
1:09:01
harder for help. Yeah, yeah, this, let's see this predisposition two.
1:09:16
Difficulty in seeking help is compounded by a lack of availability are available resources
1:09:36
for men and maybe not lack, but a dearth of available resources for men.
1:09:47
And I'll add that at the end of or after the end of that
1:09:50
sentence and point out how does one go about searching extra hard for what one
1:10:04
isn't inclined to seek and what society isn't inclined to provide? Yes, here
1:10:35
we go. Okay, so going on evidence, shows that many are profoundly
1:10:42
affected. According to the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network, common experiences
1:10:48
shared by men and boys who have experienced sexual assault include anxiety, depression,
1:10:55
post traumatic stress disorder, flashbacks, and eating disorders, Avoiding people or places
1:11:01
that remind them of the assault or abuse, concerns or questions about sexual orientation,
1:11:08
fear of the worst happening, and having a sense of a shortened future,
1:11:15
feeling less of a man or that they no longer have control over their
1:11:19
own body, feeling on edge, being unable to relax, and having difficulties
1:11:26
sleeping. A sense of blame or shame over not being able to stop the
1:11:32
assault or abuse, especially if they experienced an erection or ejaculation, withdrawal from
1:11:40
relationships or friendships, and an increased sense of isolation, worrying about disclosing,
1:11:46
fear or judgment or disbelief. Fear of judgment or disbelief. A review published
1:11:58
in the Journal of the American Medical Association in nineteen ninety eight by William C.
1:12:02
Holmes, m D, mc or MSCE and Gail B. Slap,
1:12:08
md, MS sexual Abuse of Boys Definition, Prevalence, chorulates, sequely and
1:12:15
Management, noted that sexually abused boys, including those who did not consider themselves
1:12:20
victims, presented an increased rate of a broad range of issues indicating trauma.
1:12:27
They reported that sexually abused boys experienced twice the rate of low self esteem,
1:12:32
behavioral problems, and it a social personality disorder. They are four times as
1:12:39
likely to experience major depression and could be up to fourteen times more likely to
1:12:45
attempt suicide, twice as likely to run away from home or have legal problems,
1:12:49
and three times more likely to have bulimia. Are up to five times
1:12:55
as likely to report sexually related problems, including sexual dysfunct. The reviewers also
1:13:05
found an increased rate of post traumatic stress disorder, anxiety disorders, borderline personality
1:13:13
disorder, paranoia, dissociation, somatization, that's for anybody, it doesn't know.
1:13:19
That's like sleep disorders, anger, aggressive behavior, and poor performance,
1:13:29
poor school performance, gender role confusion, and insecurity about animate partner relationships with
1:13:34
both men and women. A publication titled Sexual Assault Males by the National Center
1:13:45
for PTSD makes similar statements about both adult and underage male victims, including the
1:13:51
fact that men and boys who have been sexually assaulted are more likely to suffer
1:13:57
from PTSD, anxiety disorders, depressions, substance abuse, and a tendency to
1:14:01
engage in risky behavior than those who have never been abused sexually. The impact
1:14:06
is clear, it is just not as widely acknowledged. It should not be,
1:14:15
or it should be unnecessary to address the question of whether sexual violence against
1:14:19
male victims is common enough to merit legislative change. A crime does not have
1:14:27
to be common to be a violation of the right of its victims or an
1:14:31
act for which its perpetrators must be accountable. However, it would not matter
1:14:38
if rarity would excuse ignoring the loophole. Researcher Laura Stemple, evaluating data from
1:14:44
national intimate partner and sexual violence surveys, found that sexual violence against male victims
1:14:49
is more common than many would believe. According to a report, when victims
1:14:55
who were made to penetrate were taken into consideration, the rates of non and
1:15:00
sensual sexual contact basically equalized between the sexes. Just about as many male respondents
1:15:06
reported having been victimized as female respondents. Meanwhile, a twenty seventeen report on
1:15:13
sexually violent women published in the official Journal of the International Society for the Study
1:15:17
of Individual Differences found that overall, ten percent of women reported perpetrating sexual violence.
1:15:27
Let me reread that sentence for you guys. Yeah. Meanwhile, a
1:15:32
twenty seventeen report on sexually violent women published in the official Journal of the International
1:15:40
Society for the Study of Individual Differences found that overall, ten percent of women
1:15:47
reported perpetrating sexual violence. Remember that M and m's thing that the feminists like
1:15:55
to say about men and rape. M et Yeah, poisonous bitches speak,
1:16:06
and I am insulted and offended. There you go. If the rate of
1:16:16
female victim experiences and the presumed rate of male perpetration have constituted an emergency that
1:16:24
must be addressed with legislation, policy funding, and information campaigns, then would
1:16:30
the same not be true of the equally high rate of male victim experiences and
1:16:36
female perpetration. At the very least, state law penalizing the crime of rape
1:16:44
must not discriminate by failing to protect male victims or reducing the accountability of female
1:16:50
perpetrators. So here's where we get to the request. I've given all that
1:16:57
information, made all those arguments, made all those points. Now I'm going
1:17:03
to tell them what I think needs to be changed. In light of the
1:17:12
existing loophole and the danger it presents to men and boys, we petition Ohio's
1:17:17
representatives to do the following two things, and there's two bullet points. The
1:17:24
first one is update the state's definition of sexual conduct under section two nine zero
1:17:30
seven point zero one of the Ohio Revised Code to include acts of sexual imposition
1:17:39
that involve oral, anal, or vagual envelopment, no matter how slight of
1:17:45
the victim's penis, so that doing these actions without the victim's consent would unquestionably
1:17:53
be considered rape under section two nine o seven point o two. The reason
1:17:59
I worded it that is because currently that section designates that definition to be just
1:18:06
acts of sexual imposition then involve oral, anal or penetration, or involve penetration,
1:18:16
no matter how slight of the oral cavity, the anal cavity, or
1:18:23
the vagina. So instead of saying that that penetration only affects women, now
1:18:33
we're talking about the victim being forced to penetrate. The second bullet point is
1:18:43
create a legal pathway and reasonable time frame for rape victims to terminate their parental
1:18:49
rights and responsibilities toward a child conceived during their rape upon conviction of the perpetrator.
1:18:59
Victim should be able to do this without requiring agreement from the perpetrator or
1:19:04
having to fulfill any requirement other than to establish that the child was conceived during
1:19:12
the crime for which their perpetrator was convicted, so that basically, like,
1:19:18
feminists have argued that men shouldn't be able to do this because then all quote
1:19:23
unquote deadbeat dads, which I don't believe there's such a thing as a deadbeat
1:19:27
deadbeat dad. I think if you bring a child into that circumstance as a
1:19:31
woman and you know that you're inflicting that status on a man, you're the
1:19:35
deadbeat. But feminists have argued that all quote unquote deadbeat dads will just accuse
1:19:43
woman of rape, sorry, which I think is projection, like, oh,
1:19:51
if they have this victim status they can use to get out of responsibility,
1:19:58
they'll make false allegations. Well why would you think that, right?
1:20:02
Right? But if it requires a conviction, that's a different story. You
1:20:11
know, obviously they would have to then go to court and testify, they
1:20:15
would have to have made a police report. They're going to have to go
1:20:20
through what a rape victim goes through when they go through the system to hold
1:20:28
their perpetrator accountable before they can use that that system to to terminate their parental
1:20:40
rights. But I think that's fair. I think you shouldn't be able to
1:20:45
to use allegations of rape to terminate parental rights in either direction, whether you
1:20:54
know it's the victim terminating his own or the state terminating the perpetrators, without
1:21:01
proving that that's what really happened, that it was definitely a rate that should
1:21:06
require proof, right, So that's basically those Those are my two requests.
1:21:12
Myn I finish up with, there's no valid excuse not to do this.
1:21:15
Ohio law should not include discrimination against either sex. Please take quick action to
1:21:21
eliminate this embarrassing and intolerable blemish on our states relationship with its citizens. Thank
1:21:30
you for your kind attention. And then I have some links at the bottom
1:21:34
here to one is, one is to a study that I referenced, One
1:21:45
is to the Simple study, and then one is to the homes and Slap
1:21:56
study for male victims. And I'll probably put some more links in there because
1:22:00
I did reference some other things so that you know, if if the people
1:22:08
that I send this to want to look and confirm that the sources say what
1:22:13
I'm saying that they say, then they'll be able to do that. Dean
1:22:19
Domino twenty five gave us four ninety nine and said, false allegations are tools.
1:22:25
Are their tools to use if you let men terminate parental rights, who
1:22:29
are taking their toys away to why they're so against it. Yeah, you're
1:22:32
probably right. You're probably right. So I'm going to keep this article up.
1:22:42
I'm going to keep the obviously, the live stream will be will remain
1:22:46
up, and I'll keep looking at comments on the live stream and everything.
1:22:53
If I make a lot of changes, then we may have a follow up
1:22:57
reading next week. But within the next few weeks, I'm going to finalize
1:23:01
this and when I have a petition to ask you guys to sign, I
1:23:09
will make an announcement of that in a future episode, So it should be
1:23:14
sometime this month because I want to get this ball rolling as quickly as possible.
1:23:19
This is, in my opinion, this is a very serious situation and
1:23:26
it's been this way for a year. So just saying that before we go
1:23:30
on, any super Chows and and any Brave or Brave keep wanting to call
1:23:36
rumble Brave because I use Brave browser, but any any rumble rants since that,
1:23:42
I just wanted to make sure and mention that. So just sort of
1:23:45
watch this spot or listen listen to the show future episodes listening for me to
1:23:54
update this and let's see there's a super chat channel, all right, and
1:24:05
there is all right. After Brian typed done from the super chats from his
1:24:14
show, somebody posted another at ten ten thirty in the morning, fifteen dollars
1:24:20
for the fundraiser that ended yesterday. That was not Fabor four fifty one UM.
1:24:26
Sorry for being late and not favor Thank you very much. Meredith g
1:24:31
gave us five dollars at showtime today and said, HBr Talk two seventy two
1:24:38
honey for the Badgers. Thanks for the thought provoking conversation. Zapier gave us
1:24:44
five dollars and said, if we can't view mails as victims when their genitals
1:24:48
are mutilated, I can see why people would minimize female and male male rape.
1:24:56
That's that is that is true. Like we we live in the United
1:25:00
States, we live in an environment where it has been not just legal,
1:25:12
but socially accepted and common for degloving part of the genitalia of infant boys as
1:25:28
a as a medical treatment for like ninety years something like that. It's it's
1:25:38
been there have been campaigns to promote that, and there's been research funded specifically
1:25:47
for the purpose of making it look like an important thing to do. Like
1:25:55
how it's it's It is an uphill battle to get people to understand the attacks
1:26:00
on men. Genital attacks on men are as egregious as they are on women.
1:26:10
Yeah, but he goes on and says it's only when it's done to
1:26:15
females it's viewed as atrocious. Child gender reaffirming is now called mutilation. But
1:26:21
intactivists have been calling MGM child mutilations for decades. But now that girls are
1:26:30
regretting their decision to mutilate themselves as getting attention. I've been seeing intactivists not
1:26:35
advocating against MGM as much because they're more concerned with masstectomy and FtM bottom surgery.
1:26:45
Yeah, we should be able to recognize that all of those all of
1:26:54
those things should not be done to children. If an adult decides they want
1:26:59
to do that to their body, it's it's their choice. They're an adult,
1:27:01
they're ready. You know. Obviously, a lot of PsychEval would need
1:27:05
to be done if if somebody hadn't come to that adult and said, hey,
1:27:10
look, you have a medical problem that necessitates this. But aside from
1:27:17
you know that that caveat that, you know, you definitely want to try
1:27:23
to dissuade that kind of thing, even in adults. In children, it's
1:27:29
there should be no question. They can't consent to that. They don't they're
1:27:32
not able to fully praise the consequences and the severity of changes that are going
1:27:39
to happen to them. Like that's bologny. But of course there's politics attached
1:27:45
to it. So and of course since it's being done to girls more often
1:27:50
now than it was before, because most transgender surgeries were done on male patients
1:28:00
up until about mid you know, like mid twenty teens, he started seeing
1:28:08
a huge uptick in Canada in female to male transgender status, mostly among autistic
1:28:18
girls. Big push there for some reason. But in any case, yeah,
1:28:25
that that definitely is another area where we should be seeing, we should
1:28:30
be seeing more people to come together on that, and it should get people
1:28:34
to recognize that, you know, we've really, we really paved a way
1:28:41
for that by condoning the cutting of baby boys Genitalia unnecessarily. Richard Bier gave
1:28:51
us five dollars and said, there's a thing where the absence of a biological
1:28:56
father is strongly correlated with early onset. Minarsh Oh, Yes, yes,
1:29:00
that's true. That is true. Girls will become more will become ready to
1:29:08
have babies earlier physically, at least earlier in their lives if they don't have
1:29:14
a father in the home. This could be due to the absence of identifying
1:29:16
pheromones in the environment, which would cause someone to go into reproductive mode at
1:29:20
an earlier age. And it's probably, in my opinion, and I'm commenting
1:29:28
on him again, in my opinion, that's probably an evolutionary thing because in
1:29:36
the course of although there's evidence that hunter gather societies, actually we're not gender
1:29:44
divided the way people thought they were. The protectiveness of men cannot be denied,
1:29:50
and a female without a male to protect her might be more likely to
1:29:59
go into reproductive mode because that would net her a male to protect her um.
1:30:05
But he goes on on an unrelated note, the city of Lucid,
1:30:10
Ohio has had to lock the park a ed and a cabinet that you have
1:30:15
to call nine one one to get access code to open it from because it
1:30:18
keeps getting stolen. Oh man, that's that's a defibrillator for um, the
1:30:30
general public. That that's it electrocutes you or not electrocutes you, but it
1:30:34
shocks you to start you restart your heart. People are stealing the emergency medical
1:30:41
treatment device. Cheese. Jesus Zaper gave us ten dollars and said, so
1:30:46
a male that forces the victim to give them oral, uh, and then
1:30:53
then it is rape. But if they force to give if they force us
1:31:00
to yeah, he's what he's commenting on. If a male perpetrator forces a
1:31:06
female victim to give them oral, or a male victim to give them oral,
1:31:10
it is rape. But if a female perpetrator forces the victim, a
1:31:15
male victim to give them oral, it's not rape because he's forced to penetrate.
1:31:24
M if And if a female victim forcibly engages an oral on a male
1:31:31
victim, it's not rape because again she's forcing him to penetrate. So yeah,
1:31:39
that's that's the situation now in Ohio. UM. And unfortunately that's that's
1:31:46
not going to change until we persuade legislators to get more specific more explicit in
1:31:53
the law, because the state legislature apparently interprets it that if men are not
1:32:00
mentioned specifically, they're not included. Um find my brave for my rumble.
1:32:10
I did it again. Sorry guys. See here, where's the stream?
1:32:16
All right? And I see excuse me, sorry, I see chat,
1:32:26
don't see super chats are super rumbles, rumble rants. Um Mister three or
1:32:32
three says they pull me back in uh mereda. She says, yes they
1:32:36
did, and has a little whale post um somebody who posted hormones who r
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e moans what you guys know the joke, right? You know how to
1:32:48
make a hormone? Don't pay he don't pay her? Oh and I'm sorry
1:32:55
Betty Adams mentioned. Is she breaking up voice for anyone else? Yeah?
1:32:58
I probably am um, and hopefully hopefully that no will not be so bad
1:33:05
next next show. But that I think is all of our super chows super
1:33:13
chats. There's no paid rumble rants to read. So thanks everybody for listening.
1:33:18
I know this was a rough listen because the stuff I'm talking about is
1:33:21
infuriating and depressing, but it's it's a situation that I think is changeable and
1:33:29
I'm hoping that if we point these things out to legislators that they will make
1:33:35
the law. They'll change the wording of the law so that it will explicitly
1:33:42
hold perpetrators who violate men and boys accountable, and it will it will explicitly
1:33:48
hold female perpetrators accountable, and it will prevent the state from imposing child support
1:33:57
obligation on rape victims. And with that, you know, thanks everybody for
1:34:04
listening to all of that. Thanks to my two co hosts. Thanks to
1:34:09
anybody that's commenting on this, and uh, you know, anybody that leaves
1:34:12
a comment on the video. I'll be continuing to look out for potential thanks
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to add or rewarding or anything that you think should be done. Thanks to
1:34:24
everybody who works in the background to make HBr Talk happen. And good night
1:34:28
all. Heyk y'all.