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Taken to a Safe House in Canada | Ep 248 · Voices for Voices®

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: Hello, is this James Artville?
• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Uh, yes, this is Stephen Reimer calling.
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: You may have heard my name in connection with David Soldier a couple times.
• 0:16
  Speaker 2: It doesn't ring a bell off the top of my head, sorry.
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: Well, you and I have never had direct contact.
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: I've heard your name many times and a couple things.
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: I've worked with David, known him for a long time.
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to sort some stuff out and I watched the interview that you and Brian Davis had, where you talked about him and I think Brian actually talked about me in that interview, conflicting stories.
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: You guys took David, picked David up from his mom's house and took him somewhere.
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: What was the background behind that?
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: Why did that happen?
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: What was the background behind that?
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: Why did that happen?
• 1:09
  Speaker 2: His request and his mother the story that we were told was that his mother was undergoing chemotherapy or about to, and he needed a place to stay, so we offered to house him temporarily until his mother was done with her treatment.
• 1:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
• 1:40
  Speaker 2: Who's this mysterious person called Elijah?
• 1:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know, okay, okay.
• 1:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, and once you you know, when David got back from wherever he went, he was arrested in Oregon City and the police called him Elijah.
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: Any idea why they would have done that?
• 2:11
  Speaker 2: him, elijah, any idea why they would have done that?
• 2:13
  Speaker 2: My guess I wasn't there, but I could only assume.
• 2:15
  Speaker 2: The moment that we figured out that, uh, that his stories were fabrications and, uh, he was pulling many things out of proportion, uh, he essentially just became an untrustworthy individual and everything that he said became suspect, and so we treated everything he was still with us at the time, not me personally, but with extended family up in that area Before dropping him off at the bus station.
• 2:40
  Speaker 2: He stayed a few more days.
• 2:42
  Speaker 2: When were you dropping him off at the bus station?
• 2:49
  Speaker 2: He stayed a few more days.
• 2:51
  Speaker 2: Which bus station?
• 2:51
  Speaker 2: A bus station in Washington, des Moines, washington, to send them back home to Oregon City.
• 3:03
  Speaker 2: The time that he was up there, before the drop-off, everyone was defensive and on suspect for him.
• 3:10
  Speaker 2: They knew not to trust them.
• 3:10
  Speaker 2: They were weary of everything he had to say.
• 3:12
  Speaker 2: So some individuals took it upon themselves to try to investigate and figure out who he was.
• 3:17
  Speaker 2: Now nobody, nobody.
• 3:19
  Speaker 2: There's a professional.
• 3:19
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 3:20
  Speaker 2: There was no, uh, private investigation or anything, so it was all just personal speculation.
• 3:25
  Speaker 2: There was no private investigation or anything, so it was all just personal speculation and guesswork is all it was so alleged just happened to be a case of someone who matched his age, physical appearance and other attributes a real missing person's case and so they were trying to make connections.
• 3:48
  Speaker 2: Now I can't verify if any of that was true.
• 3:49
  Speaker 2: Obviously the police let him go, but that's the that's the origin of that story is this is simply a an attempt to try to unravel his true identity?
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: um streaking your true identities.
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: What do you know about this other mysterious person called cody?
• 4:08
  Speaker 2: same thing.
• 4:09
  Speaker 2: It's just another attempt to try to make uh, connect the dots uh with a real missing person's case pieces, fitting descriptions, timeline of events with his mother and people who presumably know his mother and their history.
• 4:27
  Speaker 2: Again, none of this is professional, none of this was done via the law enforcement or anything.
• 4:33
  Speaker 2: It's just a bunch of people trying to figure out what's going on.
• 4:41
  Speaker 1: Do you know a person called Quinn Rose?
• 4:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, I know him.
• 4:48
  Speaker 2: Say again yes, I know him Okay.
• 4:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently David had a History with Quinn Rose.
• 4:59
  Speaker 1: It wasn't too friendly.
• 5:05
  Speaker 2: Well, quinn's a nice guy, he's a family man.
• 5:07
  Speaker 2: He housed david after uh, I housed david initially.
• 5:14
  Speaker 2: Then he was taken to washington so he, uh, he was under quinn's care for a week or two, until quinn was the one who dropped him off at the bus station.
• 5:26
  Speaker 2: But Quinn is not a dangerous man at all.
• 5:31
  Speaker 2: He was trying to help.
• 5:37
  Speaker 1: And what bus station would Quinn have dropped him off at?
• 5:43
  Speaker 2: I don't live in the area so I can't give you a name of a specific bus station.
• 5:47
  Speaker 2: And again, I wasn't there during the duration of that time.
• 5:50
  Speaker 2: I was here in Oregon working, yeah.
• 5:59
  Speaker 1: And that whole trip was.
• 6:00
  Speaker 1: I've been working on David for some time.
• 6:03
  Speaker 1: I've been trying to figure out what really happened.
• 6:06
  Speaker 1: Any idea why he was taken to washington?
• 6:12
  Speaker 2: yeah, we were scared, um, my wife and I at the time, we were trying to do a good christian duty of taking in the homeless and caring for the poor, and here we had this opportunity to house this youth which at the time he told us he was 16 years old, so we thought we were doing real good.
• 6:37
  Speaker 2: Afterward we learned that he was already 19, so he was legally an adult when he was with us.
• 6:42
  Speaker 2: So we took him in.
• 6:45
  Speaker 2: As he stayed with us, he started telling stories about his father wanting to murder him and his father was around the corner stalking, and this created a sense of paranoia, especially with my ex-wife, and I had two small children at the time.
• 7:08
  Speaker 1: And it became His father was around the corner while he was staying with you.
• 7:14
  Speaker 2: Around the corner, the next town, over hacking our internet, just so many things.
• 7:22
  Speaker 2: And what that did was it created paranoia so that even when a pizza delivery guy knocked on their door, they dared not open the door and they assumed that it was him and it was an environment that was just very fearful.
• 7:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think he would have been, and we had no reason not to believe him.
• 7:51
  Speaker 2: Uh, my wife and I were, we were in our young, our early 20s, just freshly married, young family living on our own, renting a home, um, and we're, uh, just not prepared to, uh, to have something like this happen.
• 8:03
  Speaker 2: So, so we took everything at his word.
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: So your first instinct would be to do that.
• 8:13
  Speaker 2: So when we were convinced that our address was compromised.
• 8:17
  Speaker 2: Then they took Solomon.
• 8:19
  Speaker 2: We knew him as Solomon at the time.
• 8:21
  Speaker 2: His name was Solomon Ostone.
• 8:24
  Speaker 2: That's what he called him, that's what he called himself.
• 8:26
  Speaker 2: They took him to my in-laws and he stayed there for about a week and then the same thing happened more stories, um.
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: And then they were under the impression that he was not safe here in oregon.
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: My family was no longer safe in Oregon.
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: We thought that we had gotten ourselves tied up into this mess, this chaotic mess, and our lives were in danger.
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: So we decided to take him to Washington where he would be safer, away from his father because his father was in Oregon.
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: And in Oregon, what part of Oregon were you in at the time?
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: Where was that?
• 9:08
  Speaker 2: This is southern Oregon Grand Spass.
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, I've been to Grand Spass a couple times, actually tried to get a hyperbaric service started there, okay, okay, that's a good little hike from Grand Spass to Gwen Rose's place yeah, so that's where the story of the white van comes in.
• 9:34
  Speaker 2: Indeed, they did go to Washington in a white van, but by no means was it against his will.
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: It was all pre-planned and agreed upon okay, alright.
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: Well now in your interview pre-planned and agreed upon, mm-hmm, okay, all right.
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: Well now, in your interview with David, you said there was some paperwork that you got from him.
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: Do you remember what that paperwork was?
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a printed agreement.
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: We picked him up from his mother, kind of like releasing, acknowledging that he was staying with us.
• 10:11
  Speaker 2: It was just very basic permission slip, if you will.
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, okay.
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay.
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't happen to have that or a picture of it, would you?
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: I do have documents, I'm sure, but I'm very careful who I share them with.
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: Gee, I can't imagine why.
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, there's knives out there in the tall grass.
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been in communication here with local law enforcement, so they're aware of the case.
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, if he were to ever come back and harass me, stop me, come at my doorstep again, then I can file a stalking report or you could call.
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: I'm basically David's stepdad, so I have some influence.
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how much that is.
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: What do you know about what you from?
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: What happened to David in Oregon City?
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: What happened to David in Oregon City.
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: Aside from the two weeks that I spent with him, everything else is just speculation or things that I've heard.
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: But before we picked him up in Oregon City, my wife and him were in communication via Facebook for several, several months.
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: Uh, huh you know, and that's when she in communication with David.
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay and they would.
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: They would talk about Brian Davis and fantasy and they were.
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: They were basically like nerds.
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: You know, teenagers that basically you know just talking nerdy stuff.
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: Books were they talking about brian davis?
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: Like they were talking to brian davis or just like he was some sort of picture?
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: on the wall.
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: Um, they were talking, uh, like fans would, about his stories, his writing, um meeting him in conventions, book signings, that signings.
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: That's actually how they started communication.
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: They both commented on the same post and whatever was said made an impression and they started chatting via Facebook Messenger and they added each other as friends and they chatted it up with a common mutual interest.
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: Do you know who Sarah Rose is?
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: Quinn's mother.
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: Quinn's mom.
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody up there is running around with David's social security number.
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: Whose David's social security?
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: number Whose David's?
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: Oh well, first I've heard of it, oh okay.
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: Another interesting name to me Emily Hancock.
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: Any idea who that is?
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: Um another Facebook friend.
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: That.
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: Another Facebook friend, that talking again about Brian Davis.
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: So my ex David Sullivan and Emily would have group chats together and they would talk about Brian and nerdy stuff.
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: I've never met her in person, so it's just an online interaction did you ever have any unfriendly interaction with david's mom?
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: initially no, but after we dropped him off.
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: There have been several times where she would show up here in my home After we dropped him off and hoping to write this thing off and archive it in our past.
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: I took my family and I moved.
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: I moved locations, when you say dropped him off.
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: Dropped him off where.
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: When he was dropped off at the bus station, everyone involved was hoping to put this aside in our past and just forget about it.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: We thought it was all done and over with.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: Then imagine my surprise that years later, after I moved my family to a new home, he shows up on my front doorstep.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: So I don't know how, but he managed to get my new address, him and his mother, and they weren't antagonistic.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: They would try to tell this story of him.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: He was wearing a neck brace.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: He got hit by a car on more than one occasion, memory loss.
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: I can only assume they were trying to pull up my heartstrings to garner sympathy support.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know what they wanted, but I kept my distance.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: But then again, one time, just randomly driving in town, from the library to a restaurant, this car was following me and I pull up to the parking lot of the restaurant and then they pull up right next to us and get out and they greet us.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: So that legitimately scared me because I felt like I was being watched, I was being stopped and again wanting answers to questions.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: What happened when you stayed with us?
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: What happened in Washington?
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: And I simply didn't believe it.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: I didn't believe that he had amnesia.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: I didn't believe that he was hit by these cars because I had, at this point, learned to distrust him and anything he had to say was suspect, and so I just had brief conversations with them from time to time.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: But what just really bothered me was just the fact that me trying to put it away and forget about it, he keeps showing up and then it all accumulates to 2016.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: I have cops show up on my front door because apparently he and his mother called the local police station and accused me of being a ISIS recruiter and having a training camp in my home and many other absurd allegations, and the police when they came, when they made their investigation and it was discarded as completely false.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: But the fact that he even went so far as to make this false accusation against me just made me frustrated, made me upset and made me scared.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know what he's going to do in the future.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Well, lo and behold, he goes on in an interview and he doxes me and my family, he lists the names of my children and he puts on Google my address.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: So now, yeah, I'm scared.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Me and my family are scared.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: We don't know who's going to show up with a sense of vengeance or vigilantism.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Because now they believe that I'm some sort of a sense of vengeance or vigilantism, because now they believe that I'm some sort of terrible person and on his behalf they might vandalize my home or they might take some sort of personal justice.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to live in peace with my family.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: That's what he's trying to do right now, and somebody's doing the same to him.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know where he lives.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: I don't have any information to dox him with.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: The only time I ever appeared on camera was to defend myself.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: I'm not out there accusing him.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: I'm not out there harassing him.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: I'm not calling him.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: There's no record of me initiating anything, the only time I've ever been on YouTube.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Well, very strange here.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Well, he was hit.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: I've seen the medical reports.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: His car got deliberately hit in Medford a few times and he really got caught in one of them.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: And he really got caught in one of them.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: He was in a coma for weeks.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know where that fixed time lies in between when you went to Gwen Rose's place, or sometime later, because that was in 2012, I think, or sometime later, because that was in 2012, I think, and his mom didn't leave the area until somewhere first quarter 2015.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Whether he was hit or not is really not the point as far as I'm concerned.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: I'm not, I'm not out there, um, I can't prove it, his stories, I don't have evidence to prove what he says is true or not.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: So everything I I just I don't know.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: I just want to keep my distance, okay set healthy boundaries, all right I never hear from him again.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: That's all I want.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: In my family they'll never hear his name ever again.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Based on your experience with him, do you think he's a dangerous person?
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Based on my experience, I have no reason to believe that he himself is dangerous.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: No, he was malnutritioned, very weak Physically.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: He wasn't a very threatening presence.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Now I believe the real threat just comes from what he has to say.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: It comes from accusations, it comes from garnering support, using victimhood status in order to gain sympathy, in order to gain monetary support, donations going from house to house, charity from whoever believes in his tales.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: How much is true, I don't know, but that's where I believe his danger is is just simply taking advantage of people.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Okay question.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Going back, the document you said you had got was a permission slip from his mom allowing David to go with you.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, do you have any other documents that would have been related to David or his mom?
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have many, but I'm reserving them for use in the court of law.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Uh huh, if it comes to you.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Well, if I may any idea, can you tell me what those documents are?
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: I?
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: have police reports.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I have transcripts of messages, like I mentioned on Facebook.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: I have records of those back and forth before the incident, during the incident, even after the incident.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I have voice recordings of the phone calls that he left to me, voicemails that he's left to me.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: When you say the incident, what are you referring to?
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: The time where he stayed with me in Grand Slam.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: So as far as I'm concerned, that's my interaction with him.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: That is ground zero.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Nothing like an ID card or anything like that.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I do not Ground zero, but nothing like an ID card or anything like that.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Uh, id, no, no, just anything and everything that was related to his time with me.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, but no legal documents like a social security card or anything like that.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: The only legal documents I have, like I mentioned, are copies of police reports.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, but you you do have the letter from his mom.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: No one heard probably handwritten yeah.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't notarized or anything but yeah, yeah, any of David's writing work.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: No, Okay, If we did, I probably would have thrown it away a long time ago.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: But no, at this time I don't have anything that personally belonged to him no, yeah, okay, all right.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Well, all right, that's fine.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I have a copy of a letter, a handwritten letter his mom wrote to somebody I don't know, you or Shiloh or whatever revoking that permission.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: But that's the only document I have that I know of.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Can I ask what was it, david?
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I have to dig it up and look.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: That take me a while, okay.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Currently, yeah, I'm not surprised.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: He and his mother were upset when he was taken back.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Well yeah because his mom, I'm told, had filed a missing persons report.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Just about every day he'd been gone.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: So there are some heavy-duty miscommunications there somewhere.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Well, we have.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: I do have transcripts of communication with his mom during the period he was with us so we can prove that during that time period there was agreement there was.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: She knew, she knew that he was and she knew that he was taking her to Washington.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were in human and consulate communication via phone almost every day, but you have no knowledge of him ever on that trip getting to Canada.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, no, no one would have had the time.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Everyone's working.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: No one had vacation time to go up and go to Canada.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: That's quite the trip.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's for our respect.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Green Road is a place.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were all working, we all have small kids at home.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: I can't get, but in canada, maybe at that's at one point I mean, this is speculation on my part maybe at one point, if they felt that their washington address was compromised, maybe the next safe house would have been somewhere in canada.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: But that's all that I can.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Maybe that was tossed around in local communication, but as far as any evidence of crossing the border, there is none.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: When you say safe house, what do you mean?
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Well, my ex-wife.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Her family is in Canada, so I'm sure she's from Canada.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: So just visiting a relative, somebody Under the impression of keeping his father off the trail, and to this day I have never met the father.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: I've never had any physical evidence that his father was even in the area.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Any indication of his father, as far as my experience goes, has been nothing but just talk.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: The dad is very real.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I haven't met him, but I've heard enough about him since I saw myself.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: He's quite real.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: I haven't met him, but I've heard enough about him besides from myself.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: He's quite real, based on his stories, me and my family would have been chopped up to pieces a long time ago.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: He would have come breaking down my door a long time ago.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: He would have ex-military.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: He would have had the resources to tag all my phones, my communication and wiretap everything Based on the stories.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: They didn't line up with what I experienced and what I experienced was nothing.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Nothing happened.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I have some experience with the people that David's dad is associated with.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: They can be a bad bunch, but I've made this weighing myself.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: They're not about to just go out and willy nilly, harm people or do anything that can be readily traced back to whoever did it.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: That's not their stuff.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Or do anything that can be readily traced back to whoever did it.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: That's not their stuff.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: So, in terms of overt danger to somebody like yourself, I don't really think there is any, but you know, I'm certainly not looking for it.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: No, no, I'm not looking for it either.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: But you know, the dad is real.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure where he is these days.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I've heard he lives in Medford.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: But I've been to Medford, but only once, and that's for not very long.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: So any idea why Shiloh would have called David Cody for the same reason that I mentioned the other two names.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: They were just possible identities that that we've got.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: That could have been him now one puzzlement here did you have you know David goes to you guys for a couple weeks?
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: How much communication and knowledge of David and his mom prior to that did you guys actually have?
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Seems odd that she would let David go off with somebody she didn't know very well.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: We didn't know about the father.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Those were stories that he told to us after he was with us.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: We knew a lot about his mother as far as her health condition goes.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: I admit we didn't do our due diligence and we were very clean.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Like I mentioned, we were young, very young, very impressionable.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I've been young and gullible too.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we thought it was gonna be just a short thing and we were just looking to hang out Because they essentially became good friends.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, we were doing the mother a favor, but in another way too, we were also just looking forward to bonding and growing our friendship.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, so Tyler and David didn't become friends?
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, very much so Prior to the meeting, that's yeah.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: So in that regard, he wasn't just a stranger.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: They had already built rapport through the months of chatting back and forth on Facebook, and he was an aspiring writer.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: My wife was also an aspiring writer, so they had a lot of things in common, mm-hmm.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: But had they met in person on just Facebook?
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Not until we picked them up.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: no, Okay, I still, I still leave me curious as to how Cody got in that conversation.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: The name Cody, yes.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know the origin of it.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: It's not anyone that I know personally.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, I know Cody to be real.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I've met him Right, a bit of an initiative character but very real, and he's definitely not David.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: He looks like him, but I know how to tell him apart.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: You have to know what to look for.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Shows like identical twins just about, except one has got bad teeth and one has good teeth, that sort of stuff say, okay, smile, they basically have the same biological father, so it's not surprising they look the same.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: But to tell them apart, you gotta look at the teeth.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Cody's got some tattoos that David doesn't have.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: You gotta look at you know cody's got some tattoos that david doesn't have.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: He's not around waving those out on a flight pole, understood?
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: All right, yeah, we, we, when he, when, when david stayed with us, we never called him cody to his face.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh, no, we, we referred to him as at the time.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Like I said, solomon, solomon, austin, we called him solomon.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: The cody thing was just a uh, a passing.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Like I said, it was just a suspicion.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: It wasn't really a big deal at the time.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: There was no big deal, um, okay um.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: I have heard reports that Quinn Rose had some cages in his basement.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Kids locked in them.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Any knowledge of that?
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: yeah, I stayed in his basement.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: He's got a couple bedrooms, but they're extra guest bedrooms.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: No children locked in cages.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: He's got a couple of dogs, dog hair everywhere, a lot of danger.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: My allergies kick up every time I visit.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Well, at some point, I think one of those interviews, you said David locked your kids in a basement.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Any truth in that?
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: I?
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: don't have a basement.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's what he said.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: I concur David's interview.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: He did accuse me of having children locked away in my basement.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: That is completely false.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: My home has no basement and the only children are my biological children living with me.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: They're not engaged.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: I can mention I had the police come.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: They physically entered my home.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: They concluded that Apparently the statement accused David of locking your kids in a cage in a basement.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Apparently that came from Quentin Rose.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know why it would, but apparently it did.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Well, that's that's.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Uh, I cannot verify that.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: I know Quinn personally and he would not.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: He would not claim that.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, now somebody's stalking David these days.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: We've been thinking you know cyber stalking, putting their information out in this family's information out on social media.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: We've been thinking that was Brian Davis, but might be somebody just posing as Brian Davis.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: You know anybody, anything about anybody, trying to stop David and his family?
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: No, everyone that I know who has ever encountered David would do the exact opposite would try to stalking him, putting his information out there.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: That doesn't make sense to me.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: It's only going to invite further trauma and further conflict.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: And everyone that I know who has ever met David, that's the last thing we want.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: We want to live in peace and be left alone, including ryan davis as well man, I'm just trying to think if there's anything else I can realistically ask you to help me sort out what's going on here.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Do you know any other people that are feeling like they're victims of David?
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: personally no yeah, okay.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: so do you know David, who is basically a young man in need trying to find some way to make his way through life?
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the mom was sick at the time.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was hard on our family because, like I mentioned, he and my ex-wife had developed a friendship Uh-huh, and so she took it hard.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: It was hard because it was like a personal betrayal.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: We were all hopeful that we would have long-lasting friendship, so it wasn't easy.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: It wasn't easy.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: It wasn't easy coming to those conclusions and letting go.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: And betrayal is something I've had some experience with.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: You say shallow-toe betrayed.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Tell me in what way.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: All it took was, for one thing, one outlandish thing that he said to be irrevocably disproven with evidence, which we were able to do while he stayed with us.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: And then, when that happened, that light bulb moment in her head, thinking else has he said that could also not be true.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: And so what that did is just shattered any sense of trust, the foundation which is necessary for a foundation for friendship.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: So we're not saying that absolutely everything he said was false, but absolutely everything he said was false.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: But everything therefore became suspect and, based on the intensity of his stories and his accusations, it was something that we couldn't um afford to take.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: We couldn't afford the safety of everyone.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: We couldn't afford to trust him Because if we were wrong, the consequences of being along in this regard were too high, which is why everyone thought the safest route to take would be to just cut him off, if indeed his life was, if he was on the run, if he needed safety and shelter from danger.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: We were not the ones to provide that for him and we encouraged him to seek professional law enforcement, different avenues, official avenues, not just a bunch of strangers with a welcoming that one thing, that kind of broke was one moment where, in Quinn Rose's basements, shiloh and Solomon David were there and Shiloh was reading a book and David came in and he turned off the light and Shiloh asked him to turn it back on and he refused and she thought that he was just jesting.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: So she again, you know, asked him politely to turn it back and after several times of him refusing and responding in a serious tone, she felt legitimately frightened for the first time around him because his refusal to turn the light on.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: And that was the turning point where she became scared of being with him, around him, along with him.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Nothing came out of it.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Eventually the light was turned on and they continued on, but that was something she couldn't shake off.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm, hmm, okay.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: He used to ghost write TV shows.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Did he talk to you about any of that?
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: I do recall that was something he said yes, hmm, okay, shiloh didn't get frightened enough to call the police or anything like that.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: No, and she regrets not doing so.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Um, she admits that at that time she was meek and feeble, scared, and um, um, so she wanted to trust them.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Um, and the idea of calling the cops on him at that time.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: That's not something somebody with a big heart would do.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Despite the mistrust, the hurt feelings, the rejection during his time with us and afterwards we were, kyle and I, ready to just move on.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: And even afterwards we were in communication with him via email, where he forgave us.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: We forgave him, we tried to make amends, we tried to clean the slate and then just wish each other all the best and that would have been a happy ending if that were the case.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: But when, like I mentioned, when he was stalking us and then called the cops on us, that's when he took it too far and that and it wasn't up until that point then we we didn't really take him seriously as a serious threat before them.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: We didn't really take him seriously as a serious threat before them.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: But he forced our hands afterwards and he said he called all the cops on.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: You guys for what?
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: like I mentioned before, he accused me of being a isis recruiter and having a training camp in my home.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh, okay, and I have the police report of that.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: He went to the police station in person with his mother and they made the accusation there.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: The police showed up that same day.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: So I have all that documented.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's when we suddenly took it personally.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Now they are attacking us when prior to that, we had wiped the slate clean.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: I have a voicemail message and a conversation with them prior to that event where we talked and we forgave each other, we reminisced about our time together, we said our sorries, him and I, and we wished each other the best of luck.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: So we had buried the hatchet and then, a month later is when the police showed up.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: So you know, very confusing what he says, what his words are, and then in his actions they didn't line up.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: I'm just as I said, I'm just trying to piece together in my own mind what really happened.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Alright, in mind what really happened, so alright alright.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Well, I wish you the best of luck in your investigation well, yeah, did you?
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: yeah, I guess one or two.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Did he?
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess one or two.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Last questions did he ever get arrested with Shiloh in Oregon City?
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: the only time that we ever went to Oregon City was to pick him up.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: After that, we ever went to oregon city was to pick him up.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: After that, um, we, we never.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: We were never in oregon city with him ever again, like I mentioned the bus station, he went home to oregon city via bus.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: So shiloh quinn or sarah rose or anybody nobody spent any time with him in Oregon City Other than Shiloh and I when we went to pick him up.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Hmm, um, there's a report in my notes that he was arrested in Oregon City at a downtown Target.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Quinn called the police in to arrest him.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: That wouldn't make any sense, because when he was staying with Quinn, it was Washington, not Oregon.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Hmm, was this this on the way up or now?
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: I am really totally confused.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: But did Shiloh ever get arrested with being with David anywhere?
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: No, Shiloh's never been arrested.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Hmm, I can't imagine why they'd make a stop to Oregon City as a detour.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: From Grants Pass to Washington you go up the I-5, and it goes through Portland.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Oregon City is a big hour east of Portland and if they weren't in Oregon City they probably would have taken him directly back to his mother.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Well, at that point, what city was his mom living in?
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I imagine that, unless she moved two weeks, when we saw her in Oregon City he stayed with us for two weeks and then they went up to Washington.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: So I assume she'd still be in Oregon City, okay.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Well, you said in your interview, david was arrested at some Target store.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Right, probably in Washington, I don't know.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: I wasn't there.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: I have a document that Shiloh wrote up detailing the events.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: I don't have it pulled up right in front of me so I can't confirm if it was targeted or not.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Apparently it was in Oregon City you know, it sounds like something that would have happened on the way back.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Maybe when he came back he'd get arrested by the order, but nothing happened on the I wasn't there Again, off the top of my head.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: I can't tell you If anything, All right, okay.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: I do recall there being an incident with Jeremiah I think that's what the Sarah Rose thought that he was Jeremiah the one, and where or when that happened, I'm not sure.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: He spent two weeks with me and the grants passed two weeks in Washington, so it was the second half of that trip and I wasn't present during that part.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: Well, question If Mom's living in Oregon City when this starts.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: He comes, spends two weeks with you in Grants Pass and then you guys go up to Quinn Rose's place in Des Moines.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good little hike from Oregon City to Grants Pass and then when David came back he went directly to Oregon City from Des.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Moines.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, from Des Moines.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: He never.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't come back down to Grants.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Pass alright and how did he get from his mom's place to where you to?
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: your house in Grants Pass Well, charlotte and I.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: We picked him up, we drove up, stayed the night at a motel.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: The next morning we picked him up, drove home.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you stayed at your place in Grants Pass for two weeks until things got tense, and then you drove up to Des Moines.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: Did you leave him with Quinn Rose, or what happened?
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Again, I wasn't there.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: So who was present in the home?
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: It would have been a combination of people Quinn Rose, his wife, shiloh his mother Okay, you know, back and forth babysitting making sure that there was people present at home.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Everyone's still working at the time, so making sure there's.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: He was never left alone, and from Quinn Rose's place he goes to the local bus station, yeah, where Quinn takes him there.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, alright.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Well, I think I'm understanding a little bit more.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything else I can think to ask you.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: I think I'm understanding a little bit more.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything else I can think to ask you.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: All right, yeah right.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: I don't think I'll ever know the full truth.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm okay with that.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: I'll say I do, but I may not live that long At this point, david and his wife just want to be left alone.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: I want them to be left alone.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to help them.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: I need them to be successful with their writing, and there's somebody out there who's trying to get throw sand in that machinery by the truckload.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: So and they have a son with him now too.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: So you know, david has a family for the first time in his life.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: That's his, and he's a different person.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: You might like him.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: But time in his life, that's his, and he's a different person.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: You might like him.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: I like what happened to him once he's become a husband and a father.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Now I'm trying to figure out how to turn off the harassment.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: We thought we knew where it was coming from, but maybe we don't.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: Well, if you have any advice for me, I'm open ears too.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess my advice is don't believe everything you read or hear, because on this affair, probably 80% of it wrong, because you know it's on this affair, probably 80% of it is wrong.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: yeah, which is the 20%, that's not wrong yeah, that's one of the reasons why I I keep my social media presence strictly business only.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't, I don't, I'm not really on there personally Sharing photos, social media with an agenda.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: You know social media is great and wonderful for keeping up with your friends, but it also gives everybody with a particular cause whether it's right, wrong or nuts a platform to put their views out there.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: Sometimes those are kind of harmful.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: You get the good with the bad.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Alright, I appreciate it.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: You said your name was Stephen.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, nice name was Stephen.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, it was nice to meet you.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Likewise, likewise.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: I think Brian Davis mentioned me when you were in that interview with him, that TikTok interview.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: He talked about Stephen Reimers a couple times.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: I'm a Stephen Reimers he was talking about.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: I wish you the best of luck and, despite everything that's happened, I don't wish any harm to happen to David or anyone around him.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: I just want everyone to live Alright.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what they want to do, so we're all on the same page there.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Alright, sir, appreciate's what they want to do, so we're all on the same page there.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: All right, sir, appreciate it.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Take care, thank you.