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V for Vicktory · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  Welcome back to the boundary Corner podcast with my partner
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  bronzy glow, I am Curtis Wilson. Run tonight, we have a very
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  special guest 1994 to 1998. This gentleman played offensive
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  lineman, he was a second-team all-big East team.
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  Captain also part of to Big East championships of Hampton High
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  School in Hampton, Virginia, poke great.
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  The white Vic Dwight. How are you tonight?
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  Oh man, it's awesome. And I'm glad to be on this is
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  going to be a lot of fun and I'm doing great.
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  I'm going to pin the 703 Nova snowed in well more, so I can,
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  but I'm only down, you know, I'm I'm ready to talk everything
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  Tech and whatever comes about, that's awesome.
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  Do I? Yeah.
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  Appreciate you jumping on with us.
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  You know, we were iced in as well.
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  I was lucky enough to get today and tomorrow off.
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  From work. So it's kind of been some bonus
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  long weekend for me. So I'm loving it even though I'm
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  not really traveling that much so it's all good.
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  I don't even want that man. Right now, I'm here in the 804
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  with Ron and I've got to wake up and work in the morning from the
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  house so he can sleep in and everything 8 the way before we
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  kick into, you know, Virginia Tech.
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  You know the question we have for you, the stories you have
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  for us you know obviously Victory Life.
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  It's You, it's such a big part of you.
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  So, you know, go ahead, tell us what you guys are doing with
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  that about your podcast. Yeah I appreciate man the
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  opportunity to speak. I'll be brief man but I created
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  Victory life. Now about three years ago,
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  Victory Life, LLC VI C KT, o Ry n just for your listeners and
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  followers of your great podcast. I'm not an egomaniac.
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  I just went with Victory life because I really like the name
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  and I'll put my last name in it because it embodies everything
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  I'm about. Plus if you Google Victory like
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  they're a lot of churches and nonprofits so I was like well
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  I'm not changing my name so there There has to be IC K and
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  it. But essentially, man, you know,
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  we have my organization, I have a Victory Life LLC, which is
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  high school, internship program, life skills, groups outpatient
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  counseling and I am believe it or not a licensed therapist.
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  And you know I also do mentoring for kids in Prince William
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  Fairfax, County fall Carroll County and even in surrounding
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  areas in Northern Virginia and also help kids with Ladies as
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  far as mental health diagnosis and anxiety and depression, you
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  know, kids who have Oppositional Defiant disorders and just hope
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  people young men and young women and their families, get back to
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  function at a high level and just getting back to where it
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  needs to be. So something I'm very proud of
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  something and I am body growing up and especially tighten my
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  skills up at Virginia Tech. When I was there, you know, I
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  Montreal model, you know, that I may serve.
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  So And then I have my nonprofit Victory like you Sports, which I
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  had three, a, you organizations under.
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  But it's not just more so about basketball, it's more so about
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  helping students reach their full potential academically and
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  athletically through community service competition and also
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  giving back and paying it forward near local community.
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  So the last several years, I've been really blessed to be part
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  of something special and build my brand and then obviously I
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  have to podcast which You know, it's funny, I'm not I don't ever
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  view it as if I'm trying to get, you know, a bunch of listeners
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  and followers. I just like to run my mouth.
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  So I have a podcast called the Victory Life.
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  Legacy podcast with Danny noakes my co-host.
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  He's down in Richmond and 80 for.
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  Shout out to my brother, Danny, who I met through my longtime
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  friend? Kyle Bailey, he introduced us.
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  Funny thing is, when I did the 2013 spring broadcast spring,
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  I'm broadcast. Always the color analyst up in
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  the booth up in Lane Stadium. He is peeing. 3 did, and I was
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  the color analyst and Danny knows who's the producer my
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  first time meeting him. And then later on, we end up
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  doing the pregame show and now we have the podcast and I have
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  my more popular podcast which is the Victory.
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  Life Legacy Spotlight, where I interview some great people, not
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  just athletes but cancer survivors, I had the great Lisa
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  weather. Going on, the Virginia Tech,
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  women's basketball. Great.
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  Who's in The Sports Hall of Fame, Ace custis.
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  And Rouse DJ Parker, of course, my cousin, Michael Vick's, been
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  on there for UVA followers. I had Terry Kirby on.
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  There's a great session, you know, a mod Hawkins Marques
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  Hagan's, who's a wide receiver coach at UVA and a lot of High
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  School coaches here in Virginia, you know, Troy man's, the form
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  of Virginia Tech guard, who was a standout?
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  Great Lauren Johnson has been on there.
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  I can't name anybody but we got a YouTube channel so you can
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  check it out. Subscribe to it please.
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  I don't get any money. I just like the legacies of the
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  people that come on. They're very inspiring stories
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  and interviews so you can follow us that Victory Life YouTube,
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  just go to YouTube and type in Victory Life and you'll see it.
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  And of course, the podcast I do with Danny, I post on Twitter,
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  we're only on Soundcloud. Like I said, I just like being
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  able to talk sports talk. Like one thing we doing Legacy
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  Spotlight, is we allow other people to Showcase their
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  Journey, their story, knowing that one thing I do with Danny,
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  on the one we do is we highlight people in the community who
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  Inspire and make make the world a better place.
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  Man. I know it sounds corny like a
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  Whitney Houston love song, but really I'm here to inspire make
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  people smile and have great conversations.
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  That's what I live to do. So Victory Life, to those people
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  who bought hoodies and t-shirts, I State the support.
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  I come from humble beginnings. And I just want to give back, I
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  had a great career. Now, I'm just trying to finish
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  off and have a great life. You are an inspiration and what
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  you do with Victory Life, things I've read and like you say
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  helping the kids, I, you know, you've got your Master's in
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  counseling, you do great things, man, and for us to have you on
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  tonight, we are humbly humbly honored to have you, someone who
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  does such make a difference in the community.
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  So, One who does do all this stuff but someone who we got to
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  see play as kids. You know, when you started
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  playing at, Tech is about the time we started watching, so in
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  obviously the name Vic and a few years, you know, Michael comes
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  along and Marcus. And then you start looking back.
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  As I know I did and I'm a nerd of Virginia Tech football the
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  white. Don't follow me on Twitter and
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  you know, seeing you make comments and stuff.
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  Now before we get into being text, I've got one personal
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  thing. I want to hit on, okay, because
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  I know, And please Hoops for Patriot High School.
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  I know they made it to States. Well no.
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  Do they help you ship? They would have went to States
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  but this year because the covid only the ones who the winner
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  went normally do. Okay.
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  So yeah. Should have been in the States
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  but pink but your son is a freshman, I'm young.
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  How did that was the Freshman, obviously, on a varsity team
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  force first year? You know, that's a great
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  question. And I have three kids morons, my
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  youngest she's a Cars. 10 years old, she can she can run for
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  days. She does the 400 200 Otis is
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  Sydney, and Sydney, is up here in Northern Virginia.
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  They're going, it's interesting. She goes to a different
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  hospital, not saying because of zoning and when we moved and she
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  didn't want to transfer the Patriots.
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  So she's at Unity read, high school, he plays ball Club head
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  at her school and she's she's you know, she wants to play
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  collegiately and she got some interest from some schools.
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  She Virginia Tech's on her wish list or school.
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  She wants to get an offer from so So and then, but Isaiah man,
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  he's my only son, he's my middle child and he's a freshman and he
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  made varsity as a freshman just like Sydney didn't just like I
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  did when I was in high school football, but Isaiah played
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  football growing up man. As far as you know, 8 7 9, 10
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  years, old 11 but he also played basketball and ran track but
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  basketball. His body is, he's got my height
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  but he's got my old metabolism. Though he is, if you see him on
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  TV or you watching playing look, he's built like Kevin Durant or
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  more. So Brandon e.
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  He's like right now it's about 62 and a half, six threes, 14
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  will be 15 in May of this year, and he plays for a great great
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  coach. Who I love to death?
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  Coach Sherman Rivers, who is the head coach at Patriots built.
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  A great program. That's been there about five
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  years. When a district four years in a
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  row, been two states themselves, he's been closed and He played
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  ball that Potomac, High School in Northern Virginia, he also
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  went to women, marrying play collegiately there and he played
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  overseas. So my son is very blessed.
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  And I think when it's all said and done between Sherman, his
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  coach and my son and his hard work ethic and his skill set,
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  he's gonna have a chance to play collegiately.
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  If, you know, of course, you guys.
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  Stay on top of his grave stay healthy, but he's long athletic.
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  You know, it's interested, man. You know, having no Vic in
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  basketball, Would be kind of a change of pace because we've all
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  kind of picked up the pigskin. Although, there is another Vic
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  at Tech right now. She is a cousin of mine.
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  She's on the women's track team kaliesha Vic, you know, people
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  forget about, but, you know, Isaiah could be a next one up,
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  man. And I had a follower, I wish I
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  could remember, his name was really cool.
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  I don't know who it was, but he said, can you imagine a vig
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  Jersey on campus or another Vic at Virginia Tech?
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  And I don't normally get all nostalgic.
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  Eric. I'm a patient person that comes
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  to appreciating the journey and you never know how things work
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  out, but I am spiritual. And I do believe things happen
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  for a reason. He even how I ended up at Tech
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  and how I recruited Mike and Marcus.
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  But, you know, my daughter and Isaiah, my two oldest went
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  there. That would that would make me
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  emotional. That would be crazy and you
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  know, I am a huge Lord knows. I love Mi kyung.
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  Gosh, I mean, how do you not like him?
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  I if I hope I'm perfect. Like I'm not just talk is
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  amazing. I just and I want to call them
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  up and say, hey I got a son, you know, can you get it?
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  Oh but I mean nepotism is a good thing but the same time he's got
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  to earn that specially Tech is not just, you know, some doormat
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  program. I mean, you know, he's he's
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  built on buzzes done. So yeah, my son is, you know,
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  having a son is and having kids is a blessing and having my son
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  who, Wants to be great and I I purposely have exposed him to a
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  lot of Grace. He's been very fortunate.
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  You know, I for years until recently I have been to the
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  spring game, like 18 years to 16 years straight or whatever.
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  Can going back to played and he's got pictures.
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  And he's been around, you know, Mike and my cousin and Marcus
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  and DeSean Jackson, and he's, you know, throwing the ball with
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  Tyrod Taylor and he's been around a lot of great.
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  Guys, from Virginia Tech and even other colleges and other
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  professionals. So him and my children, my other
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  two children, all they know is greatness and scholarship
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  athletes in Pro. So he doesn't really get
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  Starstruck. He's been around Beamer.
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  He's been around Foster and Cavanaugh and he's been around
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  other great culture. So for him, the expectation is
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  always been like okay, you know, my dad went here.
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  Now I'm going to go here, but you mentioned when I played, I
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  think it's funny too because Cuz he doesn't.
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  He just now understanding the Legacy that Mike and I and
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  Marcus had and also he's starting to give me a little
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  credit for being good. Like he used to be like you
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  because we didn't have Twitter and Instagram.
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  So my stuff is now being converted, you know, I have to
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  pull out the VCR tapes and get them converted digitally.
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  So like he's looking like, yeah. You know, you really weren't
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  that good. But then we go back to campus or
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  when he sees my followers. And then, you know how they
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  react and you know how I interact and how I do so much
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  stuff and their reaction when we go back to Blacksburg leaving
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  here in Northern Virginia and when I'm back home in Hampton
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  people come up to me and take pictures or I'll sign some.
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  He's like bro. Wait what?
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  I've got two sons. I got a baby girl on the way in
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  about a month. Awesome.
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  My man Brian's got a son as well.
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  So we are Fathers as well and it is it is it is being a father is
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  nothing like it. It's a special referee.
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  Congratulations. Yes that's awesome.
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  And I wanted real quick and we got to talk But I wanted.
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  What's so funny? Is, I wanted a girl first.
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  So I have three kids want to girls want some of.
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  I remember when I was pregnant, everyone's I all I know you on
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  this and I was like, nope, they were like what she wanted, a boy
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  first cuz she did want to do here and I wanted it because, I
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  mean, I daughter because I, you know, women are intelligent.
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  And I knew my daughter she was spoiled me when I get older and
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  I needed somebody to make sure I was take care of.
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  My so I seen adored his love for her father.
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  You know, my son and I to but you know, sometimes he'll make
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  breakfast and say, well, you know, you can make something put
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  in the microwave like, you'll forget, you know.
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  I'm so let me ask this.
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  Getting back to your playing days, you know it's let's say
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  it's 1994 covid hips. You've signed your letter of
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  intent to play for Tech but there's going to be a spring
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  season there guys right now have to make this decision.
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  Would you have played? Oh man y'all coming out the gate
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  with some hay maker questions. Listen.
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  Who, you know what? Not knowing any better.
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  I don't know. Wow, that is a tough question.
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  My gut reaction just off the off.
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  The rip is I'm going to play Because when you're I was 17,
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  you know, it's funny, looking back.
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  I probably should have started the following year.
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  I was 8:47 grade. But I was 17 my first year at
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  Tech and I turned 18 late. So I had that September
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  birthday. Where wife is my wife, my mom is
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  an educated. She's been teaching collegially.
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  In high school wise for 40-plus years.
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  So, I mean, she was like, you know, all into all that get him
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  in school or whatever. So, but for me, I would covid
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  scary. I lost a few people to it, but
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  and I respect, what caliph Ali did.
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  Even though, God, I love watching him play but knowing me
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  as a freshman that was a real was a redshirt 94.
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  I probably would have went anyway, you got to understand
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  something. I know you guys.
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  Been following Tech since I played and you follow the state.
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  When we hear from where I'm from in Hampton and Newport News,
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  Virginia in the Tidewater area. If you've been to places on the
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  south side of Richmond, if you've been the Eastern, Newport
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  News, or South Norfolk Youngs Park, or you've been other
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  places in the Commonwealth, even, you know, rural places
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  like, you know, parts of Southwest Virginia.
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  I mean, we always talk about the urban, but when you come up and
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  I had a great life, great mom and dad, but as far as what is
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  scholarship, Any means you don't take that for.
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  Granted so knowing their minds that I had, you know, I had
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  tunnel vision. Yeah, I was and you know
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  Hampton, I knew you know, night, grab me harshly.
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  I was a backup intent grass started and I started getting
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  letters from Pittsburgh and Nebraska and Syracuse and
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  Oklahoma. I was like wow!
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  This is what I knew it I was like I'm going to go to college,
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  I'm going to go pro. So even though covid came if
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  hypothetically speaking, I probably would have went anyway
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  because I don't even like you I can't stay home because if I
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  stay home you know nothing's going to be popping off here but
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  drama not that I was involved anything - but you know we don't
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  have a path or a goal unit up getting complacent.
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  Next thing you know, you get get caught up so I probably would
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  have just went and cross my fingers and pray and hope that
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  everything worked out because I loved I just wanted to be in
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  college. God knows with all this
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  responsibility I have. Now sometimes I wish I can go
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  back but But I probably would have went, you know, I like that
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  answer. I really, yeah, I think
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  sometimes looking looking past, as you said, getting complacent,
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  I don't hands can can get you in trouble from time to time.
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  So, yeah, I definitely see where you're coming from.
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  From that perspective. No, doubt, I wanted to ask you
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  this next, you had tweeted out a while back.
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  Talking about, who was recruiting the 757 back when you
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  were being recruited. I mean, he talked about guys
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  like Calves high beam or Stein spring What was their pitch to
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  get recruits to come to VT back then?
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  Oh, great question. Um, it was really about building
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  something and going against the grain, you know, because UVA at
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  the time was still the Pre-Med program, protect was on their
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  heels and it wasn't manufactured height and you know, Beamer in
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  height and even guys like stiney and calves.
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  They weren't Salesman like, you felt like it was authentic and
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  what was really good as they had relationship.
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  So I've talked about this numerous times and I'm in
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  business and, you know, I work a lot of principles and
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  psychologists and psychiatrists and coaches across the state and
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  well-respected, and it's all sincere, it's give and take, but
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  it's a lot of respect and that's what you felt like.
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  When you saw those coaches walking your school, you saw how
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  the other High School coaches, the custodians, the Death.
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  Dad was like, Hey and get up and hug them, you like, oh wow, it's
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  not just like I'm some bigwig from this, you can, you felt
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  like whoa, these guys really know.
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  My, my administrators and high school assistant coaches in
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  basketball coaches. So it was really cool and their
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  pitch was more so we are trying to build something and you know
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  what's funny? This is not to pick on UVA.
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  When London was there, I've been of you might London, he's a
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  great guy, but I tease my UVA friends.
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  I said You guys fix a too much on Tech.
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  You know, we got a bill, somebody got to take the cup
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  back, I get it I get it. That streak is crazy and looks
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  like another one that be getting re started again but at the same
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  time it was never about UVA when I was being recruited.
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  You know it might have come up but it was more so about we're
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  trying to build our own brand. We want you to be part of
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  something and it was a lot of State pride and it was really
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  just about Their relationships with your High School coaches
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  and also the fact that, you know, to be honest, I just
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  mentioned a few minutes ago about where I'm from.
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  I didn't grow up, you know, it wasn't South Central and bang
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  bang and people, but it was some rough spots and there was some
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  stuff I saw in there was some trauma, you know, when you're in
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  certain parts of my area, and I knew a lot of guys that didn't
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  make it, and I knew people who were killed, I knew drug
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  dealers, but you know, what was crazy and I tell people, I hope
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  you're listening is understand. This is respectful statement
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  being And high and cab and Stein spring, when they recruited the
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  Commonwealth and some of those rough spots that people that
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  other universities wouldn't go in.
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  They went to and they went to without fear without judgment.
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  Obviously, they were to get talent and they were there to
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  recruit us to their University, to get an education and to play
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  college football. But you could tell they were
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  there and they weren't like, oh my God, there's hurry up.
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  Like, they stayed if you watch the interview, I do it.
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  Ano Whitaker he grew up in Youngs Park.
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  It's a very rare rough spot in Norfolk and time spring was in
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  there and went there religiously to recruit him and sat down and
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  hung out. And you know, the thing about
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  Beamer, I remember when I got home and my younger sister, he's
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  three years younger than me and I got home from basketball
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  practice. And it was my senior year and I
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  came and had my batter drop along.
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  She was like hold on one, she's like Dwight there's a dude here.
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  Some old dude, with another dude, I was like what are you
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  talking about? Is it then a living with Mom and
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  Dad? I don't know.
• 22:28
  But I you know again I'm being on she's like I think they're
• 22:30
  rich because they had own suits and some big boom.
• 22:34
  And she said it looked like you know those Mafia you know and I
• 22:37
  was like Kim what do you think? So cuz he's Point anyway so then
• 22:40
  I Gordon and Bemis it's up and he's like hey how you doing and
• 22:44
  just shakes my hand and I'm like you could feel the energy him
• 22:47
  and height and hide have been recruiting me.
• 22:48
  That was the only year highly recruited the Hampton Roads area
• 22:51
  because they were going through a transition and he end up going
• 22:55
  back to the Maryland area because you know he's a DeMatha
• 22:57
  guy so I was fortunate height was a great recruiter and he is
• 23:01
  still even now just so authentic and I don't know if I'm
• 23:05
  answering your question fully but I think sometimes people on
• 23:09
  Twitter and on these message boys, think it's this, you know,
• 23:12
  because of social media you know, it's a lot of mail and
• 23:15
  balloons and girls with long legs and pretty skirt.
• 23:19
  It's that young Yeah, that's going to be part of the pitch
• 23:22
  when you get on campus. Yeah, but the foundation with
• 23:24
  great recruiters are laid doing those phone calls and text
• 23:29
  messages. And when they come as I
• 23:31
  mentioned, when you saw how they were in the building and how
• 23:35
  they talk to your mom and Dima man, was just so cool.
• 23:39
  And one last point about that, I met you, my mom was an educator,
• 23:42
  my both, my parents have their masters.
• 23:44
  My dad is a doctor. Yes, his doctor dr.
• 23:46
  Norman Vic. Both of them being
• 23:50
  college-educated when Beamer and Heights that down in my living
• 23:55
  room. Once I came in there, they
• 23:56
  surprised me at home. They did a surprise home.
• 23:59
  Visit my mom pulled out a list. Yeah, 20 questions.
• 24:04
  And she asked coach Beamer and Coach height and many of the
• 24:07
  questions was about race relations on campus security
• 24:11
  supervision, academic support crisis management
• 24:17
  accountability. Leti fund, and I was sitting
• 24:20
  like, Mom, why you ask mom was right?
• 24:25
  He was but Beamer without any admin, you know, without anybody
• 24:30
  prompting him, he answered every question.
• 24:32
  Like a g, and he knew what he was talking about and only one,
• 24:36
  he didn't know. He was like I'll make sure I get
• 24:38
  back to you on that, which he did.
• 24:39
  He got actually called her the next day.
• 24:43
  I'm telling you, man. I know it's old school but the
• 24:47
  principles are I'm discussing right now with relationships are
• 24:50
  still relevant. Now, I think that's where some
• 24:53
  programs fall short is that you got to have the right people in
• 24:57
  the right regions, but you got to make sure what they're
• 24:59
  authentic. Doesn't mean going to get every
• 25:00
  standout recruit, but it's going to give you that blueprint now
• 25:04
  Foundation where you see, right now with what's the kid's name,
• 25:09
  Jordan Williams? He returned to Tech, right?
• 25:11
  He's the grant transfer because he knew he really liked tag.
• 25:15
  You know, those are the things that we don't think about but I
• 25:18
  just feel like that's what start spring.
• 25:20
  What's the ice cream, man? Tech fans were always, never
• 25:24
  give him his full credit. He's always the subject of the
• 25:27
  memes and jokes because he's an offensive coordinator text
• 25:34
  love-hate relationships or offensive coordinator is
• 25:36
  forever. Going to be a give love hate
• 25:39
  relationship, but God spring. If you do what y'all do a
• 25:43
  podcast one day only. His recruits and who he landed
• 25:47
  from tap to Kam Chancellor and so on and so on, it's ridiculous
• 25:51
  and Stein. Spring is loved.
• 25:53
  I interviewed him he was on my show and Rabe like commented.
• 25:57
  He was like, I love this, man. And Tech was my second School,
• 26:01
  my second choice, but he wanted to go to Carolina, and he loves
• 26:05
  times, you know, me guys, come up to me.
• 26:07
  I mean, out of after my Mike and Mike, Vick interview star
• 26:11
  Springs interview on between Facebook, Instagram and Twitter.
• 26:15
  Is gotten thousands of in looks and interview.
• 26:18
  I mean, it got shared twenty thirty seven times on Facebook.
• 26:23
  I mean he is that's and that's what he is.
• 26:26
  He's genuine. That's why I used to laugh when
• 26:28
  people wanted him gone because I don't think they understood and
• 26:31
  I don't blame some fans because, you know, we have knowledgeable
• 26:34
  fan but it's not spring is another guy, man, he's going to
• 26:37
  be love these genuine, he gets it.
• 26:39
  I just think that relationship piece is essential in any line
• 26:43
  of business, especially The spores write something.
• 26:46
  So let me ask this then you actually kind of pivoting
• 26:49
  perfectly to my the next thing I want to bring up what's the
• 26:54
  difference right now between Virginia kids 1990s, when you
• 26:58
  were coming up and we were growing up in kids.
• 27:02
  Now, you know what sort of the make sure I put this right,
• 27:06
  what's the perspective on text from Virginia kids parents, 20
• 27:11
  years ago? They know more, they're more
• 27:13
  knowledgeable and social media has helped with them knowing
• 27:16
  more about other schools. I got my letter from Notre Dame
• 27:19
  one time and I was a big Irish fan and I Had a nortre Dame
• 27:23
  jacket because they know I was, I love Tony Rice and the rocket
• 27:27
  and that is sand bets and all those different guys.
• 27:30
  They had taught fight, you know, you just like another name you
• 27:34
  know and I'm living in Hampton Virginia and I mean I wore that
• 27:37
  jacket, you know I'm walking around Hampton and Newport News
• 27:40
  looking like a super-sized wash. With a low on.
• 27:43
  And and I remember my dad said, you like them, don't you?
• 27:48
  He was like, you know what, it located?
• 27:50
  I was like, nah, man. But I'm going, you know, and he
• 27:53
  was like, nah, I'm in 10th or 11th grade.
• 27:56
  And he pulls out for those listening, they're going to
• 27:58
  laugh at our old school, the old G's listener, and encyclopedia,
• 28:03
  and he blows the dust off, and he opens it up, and it's like,
• 28:06
  this is a map. You live here in Virginia Notre.
• 28:09
  Dame is in Indiana and You know you start back then do it now
• 28:14
  you get those media guys and the media got, you know, you saw how
• 28:19
  they had a lot of white Vic's, you know, a lot of Dwight VIXX,
• 28:25
  you know, on their roster and long story short, man.
• 28:30
  These guys now are just more knowledgeable.
• 28:34
  They are more aware and I don't think, especially with the dip
• 28:38
  in wins with Virginia Tech, you know, eight, when In 75 and six
• 28:46
  it's two folds in the 90s we were we were not we were the
• 28:52
  best kept secret. The Tidewater area was producing
• 28:56
  tons of talent and now you see the benefits between all the
• 29:03
  great players and the great colleges now that come down
• 29:08
  there, you know, Virginia guys have been leaving on the State
• 29:12
  Fair. Ever, you know, Ron Springs went
• 29:15
  to Ohio State know, maybe, you know, I forgot where Ron Springs
• 29:19
  is, but he's Shawn Springs, Dad, but he went out of state, he
• 29:22
  went to Lafayette High School, Lawrence Taylor who went to
• 29:25
  Lafayette High School from the Tidewater area.
• 29:27
  Went to UNC obviously and Dre blah, who went to UNC and you
• 29:35
  had romaker who was the only player to win national Gatorade
• 29:39
  Player of the Year and all in football and basketball and he
• 29:42
  The McDonald's All-American in basketball.
• 29:44
  He won three state championships at Hampton High one, national
• 29:47
  championship in football and one state championship in
• 29:50
  basketball. So this notion that, oh my God,
• 29:53
  Virginia players. Always leave that now, they've
• 29:56
  been leaving. The difference, is the Virginia
• 30:00
  that we know, compared to what we grew up and is no longer.
• 30:03
  The best kept secret, Ohio state, Alabama, Clemson the
• 30:07
  bigwigs they stay down there. Now, Penn State.
• 30:10
  They live down there. Every now and then.
• 30:12
  I pluck a player from my area now and it's not just Tidewater
• 30:16
  it's Loudoun County. You see a lot of those guys, go
• 30:18
  to Stanford. The West Coast, Northern
• 30:20
  Virginia. Kids are going out of state.
• 30:22
  And the other thing is, there's some other layers to it.
• 30:24
  The state of Virginia has improved dramatically.
• 30:27
  You look with LJ's doing Lauren Johnson and Holly Springs
• 30:30
  Veronica. The Richmond area was always
• 30:33
  known for basketball but now that's not the case anymore.
• 30:36
  There's some suburbs of Richmond.
• 30:39
  The Chester Chester feels the surrounding areas have
• 30:42
  Dramatically Northern Virginia, Westfield one.
• 30:44
  The state's three years in a row, used to be the Tidewater
• 30:46
  Richmond, show, and football and basketball, that is changed as
• 30:49
  well. All that combines with
• 30:52
  unfortunate, Virginia Tech and UVA picked their worst times to
• 30:56
  fall off. Yep, they did its best to you.
• 31:00
  Yeah. I mean, it UVA has been
• 31:02
  rebuilding for years and for years Tech benefit, you know,
• 31:07
  Tech benefited for years because they're, you know, you look at
• 31:10
  that. Five team, I believe their
• 31:13
  entire defense starters, that were ranked number one in the
• 31:17
  nation or maybe that was 07-08, but pretty much most their stars
• 31:20
  were from the Commonwealth and 2005 and 06 07. 08 Virginia Tech
• 31:26
  was signing and getting commitments from the some of the
• 31:28
  best players in the state. And then when you have Allen
• 31:34
  Iverson's the place, the code versus the moniker is a Tyrod,
• 31:38
  Taylor's and all these guys, Mike Vick they start to emerge.
• 31:42
  Crews have become household names, all the sudden it's the
• 31:47
  perfect storm and what makes things bad.
• 31:49
  If your Virginia Tech fan is, you know, as the transition took
• 31:52
  place from bheema to Fuente people pick on Fuente that you
• 31:57
  know the cynics and critics but at the end of the day the last
• 32:00
  three or four years of being his tenure weren't the best.
• 32:03
  You had a lot of six and six seasons.
• 32:05
  You had that one 85 season where they got blasted in the Sun Bowl
• 32:09
  against UCLA. Yep.
• 32:11
  And It's just not a good look. It's the worst time.
• 32:15
  Consider this during that time frame before.
• 32:19
  If Wednesday took over, you had a lot of guys that would have
• 32:23
  kept Tech afloat in that National brand.
• 32:25
  Peace. If they had chose Tech, but Tech
• 32:28
  kept finishing second, you had the Devon Forbes and the Ricky
• 32:32
  Slade unions. But you also had to Sean hand,
• 32:35
  Derek naughty daily homes, and all those guys pick Now, the
• 32:42
  school and Tech was always second.
• 32:45
  Even your boy that went to Florida State the tall defensive
• 32:49
  end. I forget His Name.
• 32:50
  Escapes me, that went to Florida State.
• 32:53
  Yeah, yeah. Do your worst.
• 32:59
  Mistake of his life was going on there.
• 33:00
  Oh, I'm sure I'm sure because they told me he was going to win
• 33:04
  number two and I'm like yo and your body wearing Dion's number,
• 33:10
  what they say come on. Detective rain coming home, you
• 33:16
  know wearing number two. No sir.
• 33:19
  You know I'm saying. So like I visited, you know.
• 33:22
  But I give Florida State and Ohio, State and Alabama, and all
• 33:27
  the schools Credit, you know, Dasani and I was with him,
• 33:31
  people don't realize this, his first unofficial visit or visit
• 33:35
  to any University. He followed my wife, and I are
• 33:38
  down with his high school coach at Virginia Tech I introduced
• 33:41
  introduced. To can Chancellor and Tyrod
• 33:45
  Taylor. I interviewed him on cowbell.
• 33:47
  He's radio show at the spring game.
• 33:49
  The same day, Chuck Clark committed.
• 33:52
  Tim said, oh, was that my football camp?
• 33:54
  You know, I used to do football camps.
• 33:56
  So I was doing a lot of high school subject in homes.
• 33:58
  There's a picture on the internet with me, him and Mike,
• 34:00
  he was at my Symposium. I did all those guys I mentioned
• 34:03
  were at my football camps. The only one we got was Tim
• 34:06
  settled and look what Tim said I was doing for the Virginia Tech
• 34:10
  brand and also look what he's doing.
• 34:12
  For the Washington football team.
• 34:14
  Now, just imagine Tech gets the rest of those guys even gets
• 34:17
  three more of those guys with Bud.
• 34:18
  Foster still in his prime, the perception of Virginia.
• 34:22
  The perception changes, you're going to win more games
• 34:24
  obviously. But the perception changes
• 34:27
  because to finally answer your question when I walk around now
• 34:32
  with my Bowl rings and my Virginia Tech gear on, I'm, you
• 34:35
  know, I still get how you played a tech but it's not like it was
• 34:39
  19 years ago, okay? Because Really cares about is 6
• 34:43
  and 16 people now are looking at, you know, the January 6,
• 34:49
  Bowls the New Year day, whatever.
• 34:51
  The, I don't know what day they cuss, like they keep coming on
• 34:53
  later and later, but the point I'm getting at is if you're not
• 34:56
  relevant relevant and if you're not in the mix outside of your
• 35:01
  fan base, it's pretty hard to make an argument.
• 35:05
  While you know, you're not meet, you know, we are dead team now
• 35:08
  and people walk by, you know, I know covid.
• 35:10
  The the sports bar scene is different.
• 35:12
  Different. But we are that gang when people
• 35:13
  say, why are they showing that game?
• 35:17
  That's what we've become. Yeah, and it's okay.
• 35:20
  Huh? What you saying is?
• 35:23
  If you have the album Davis mentality, it's just win baby.
• 35:27
  You start winning exception changes.
• 35:31
  Boom, absolutely look. And this is not me being
• 35:35
  critical. This is just me being honest.
• 35:37
  I deal with a lot of people and I don't want that to be the
• 35:41
  case. So, for everyone, listen, I
• 35:44
  wanted to be what it used to be, but better, I want I want, I'm
• 35:48
  you think I don't get excited when I see Khalil Herbert or
• 35:51
  these lineman that a little first round draft.
• 35:54
  I want, I don't have a pile of seeing why.
• 35:56
  It's why I tell her was that my can I know why it, you know, he
• 36:00
  wore 57. You know why I tell us my God.
• 36:03
  Like you think I'll take it personal that, he's better than
• 36:06
  me. I want the program to win the
• 36:08
  championship, I'm not the old head that's like, oh, we were so
• 36:11
  much. Tougher.
• 36:13
  No, no. I want, I mean, but at the same
• 36:17
  time, when you're part of a program in which you built, you
• 36:22
  know, and you made the standard what it is when you were there,
• 36:25
  when the lunch pail was established when you are, you
• 36:28
  know what it took. And, you know, now the
• 36:30
  expectations have dropped because of, you know, variety of
• 36:35
  reasons. You just wanted to get back and
• 36:37
  become better. You wanted to get back to where
• 36:39
  it was and then become better and That's the part like I told
• 36:43
  you guys Offline that hurts because, you know, that's my
• 36:47
  program. That's my University.
• 36:49
  I invest in him emotionally financially, I care about them.
• 36:52
  I don't want to see anybody fall off, but I think when you are a
• 36:56
  Virginian kid man, Virginia Tech still Virginia Tech, still holds
• 36:59
  wait, it's still a, you know, hey, a great University and to
• 37:02
  school people check for like, oh yeah, text in here.
• 37:06
  That, you know, then, but it's not sometimes what we think it
• 37:09
  is. And I think, Daddy only changes
• 37:13
  if you start like for example, this morning I did I probably
• 37:17
  have about 60 games DVR. I mean I got it this morning you
• 37:26
  know, you know, I don't do it just to analyze them break down
• 37:29
  tape. I just sometimes watch because
• 37:30
  you missed stuff. And today, I had on the Virginia
• 37:34
  Tech. Wake Forest game, Virginia Tech
• 37:36
  was three and one Wake Forest was to and to last year,
• 37:39
  Virginia Tech, be the rank Wake Forest team that It was really
• 37:42
  good. They weren't great.
• 37:44
  Yeah. But Virginia Tech expose them
• 37:45
  and it just looks good. When you beat a ranked team this
• 37:48
  year Tech was three point three in one in law, said, the empty
• 37:53
  wakes that Wake Forest, you Stadium.
• 37:55
  You can't you can't lose those games, you can't lose.
• 37:59
  That's the type of stuff. I mean when you know perception
• 38:01
  it's like the acc's week it all it is is Clemson, you know.
• 38:06
  And Virginia Tech used to be that team.
• 38:09
  And what makes me upset sometimes is Why Clemson was
• 38:13
  getting their stuff together with that bow?
• 38:16
  You know going for back from Bowden Tommy Bowden to devil
• 38:19
  when he was the interim and try it out and Bobby Bowden was in
• 38:23
  the same situation as Frank Beamer.
• 38:25
  And Jimbo was a coaching waiting Virginia Tech for several years.
• 38:29
  Carried the torch and the banner for the ACC.
• 38:32
  Yep. They were the big hair didn't
• 38:34
  win the conference. They were going to BCS bowls,
• 38:37
  and they were the standard, and then a game in, which I was at
• 38:41
  2011. And Tech going for back-to-back.
• 38:44
  ACC Championship Games, Clemson limped into that game having
• 38:48
  lost four out of five or three out of four and therefore, they
• 38:54
  smoke Tech. I was there.
• 38:56
  I if I heard the fans for like Clemson, one more time I was
• 38:59
  going to jump off the ledge. That's how much, you know, we
• 39:05
  know what? Clemson go CLE and they spell it
• 39:07
  out. Yeah.
• 39:08
  It was raining and then we'll maybe even worse is Tech goes
• 39:13
  and plays in a bowl game and Clemson goes and plays in The
• 39:17
  Ballgame and they lost that year.
• 39:20
  I think West Virginia or was it? They lost 70 35?
• 39:26
  Yep. They got their doors off 73rd
• 39:29
  and be a year. Virginia Tech that year was 11
• 39:32
  and 2 and they only to record and losses was to Clemson.
• 39:37
  One at home, LED bulbs, that by my brother, Tajh Boyd and the
• 39:41
  ACC team. The game and coming off that, I
• 39:45
  just knew Tech was going to win because they are just beat one
• 39:47
  of uva's. Best teams in program history.
• 39:49
  38 did nothing. Yeah.
• 39:52
  And you know what, this on hand told me who was in the NFL, who
• 39:56
  was an All-American played at Alabama?
• 39:58
  You know, we talked all the time, he loved, but Foster this
• 40:01
  on hand told me out of his mouth, he's he laughed because
• 40:04
  the next week London and his staff, we're at Woodbridge,
• 40:07
  senior high school to recruit him and he was like, coach, I
• 40:10
  really respect. You are showing them after that
• 40:11
  shellacking. You know what?
• 40:22
  Great. You know, a little jab at them.
• 40:24
  Yeah but the perception to your question.
• 40:28
  Deshawn hand who was rated top five in the nation, Derek,
• 40:33
  naughty Jalen homes Josh where that'll and I'm probably
• 40:41
  forgetting some my all those guys were that was a legendary
• 40:44
  defensive line class, right? I think Joshua came the but the
• 40:48
  point I'm getting at, is they all knew about Virginia Tech all
• 40:51
  wondering wanted to go there and were considered Virginia.
• 40:53
  Tech means the perception is not that way anymore.
• 40:58
  That's how far are we from? That's not this on hand had Tech
• 41:02
  is his number one choice and and said Bill Bud.
• 41:05
  Foster was his favorite coach and recruiter.
• 41:08
  That is to show you. And remember that's not that
• 41:10
  long ago. Thats 2014.
• 41:16
  I'm Excuse me. 2011 sorry 2011 it's not that long ago at all.
• 41:22
  Like I remember the hand thing and everybody talked about Bud
• 41:25
  Paul auster and this is I'm going a little tangent here and
• 41:30
  the white if you need to tell me, step down, tell me step
• 41:32
  down. Are you Brooke?
• 41:34
  Basically, he told Deshawn hand, you're going to play inside and
• 41:39
  somebody said, saving, I don't know if this is true or not, but
• 41:42
  apparently they negatively recruited and said, you're an
• 41:45
  end, Sean hands in the league right now, where's he at?
• 41:49
  He's playing on the inside right now and I mean, do I don't know
• 41:54
  if you recall that but I could you, I remember seeing hands
• 41:57
  body and Like yeah, he's a bond. What technique would have been?
• 42:02
  And you probably talked about it 10 years ago.
• 42:05
  Are you brave enough free Tech. Well, here's the deal.
• 42:08
  Both Foster's honest coach. And before, you know it, did it
• 42:11
  a day I work just on hand out, he was at my me.
• 42:15
  And the guy by name is Keenan, Carter, who's a defensive line
• 42:19
  coach at women? Married, with Mike London,
• 42:20
  played at UVA. After I played a tech was a
• 42:23
  great player for them. He coaches collegially.
• 42:26
  He also coached at Howard University, Him.
• 42:28
  And I used to have afternoon/evening workouts up in
• 42:32
  Northern Virginia and Patriot High School and also Potomac
• 42:35
  High School where he went Deshawn hand Tim settle and if
• 42:39
  you are the local guys, Greg Stroman, was there a lot of guys
• 42:43
  that went to ODU and other schools that were from Northern
• 42:45
  Virginia? Would be the Ricky Slade was
• 42:47
  there? I know his dad very well.
• 42:48
  My point being is all those guys love Tech.
• 42:52
  They used to have textured so and stuff like that their
• 42:56
  trainer I know very well. Well, he trained to shine.
• 43:00
  I'm not gonna get into specifics about what saving did.
• 43:03
  I'm not about to put that out there and have allegations
• 43:05
  flowing but I know what I know saving did the same thing that
• 43:10
  Jimbo did the night before Josh sweat committed.
• 43:14
  They played the game. They just, they know again
• 43:19
  coaches. These guys played the game and
• 43:20
  they played upon Beamers age, and the fact that Virginia Tech
• 43:24
  was slipping and wasn't the same dominant program.
• 43:28
  And they played that with a more sexy program and they just told
• 43:32
  those guys what they wanted to hear.
• 43:34
  People don't realize, it's on hand didn't start until his
• 43:38
  senior, at Alabama, he did win a couple national championships
• 43:40
  and he had, he still contributed those previous Seasons but he
• 43:44
  didn't start to see here. I told John great up when he
• 43:47
  asked me, what made might choose tech.
• 43:49
  I told him, why? And I said, dude, you know, if
• 43:53
  you go to Virginia Tech, man, you are going to build a statue
• 43:56
  of you. I mean, you, you know, He loved
• 43:58
  Foster's defense, he loved but Falls, he he like brought buds,
• 44:03
  you know, realness his Charisma, he like Bud.
• 44:08
  But you know, Alabama came in and did what they had to do and
• 44:13
  you know he is inside and you know, it's just it's but I, you
• 44:17
  know, fans come to me all the time on Twitter.
• 44:20
  You know what this Tech need to do.
• 44:21
  We got to get this guy from Stanford.
• 44:24
  He's a great recruiter. Look at it.
• 44:26
  I'm like, listen. I'm I going to dismiss or
• 44:29
  debate, anybody on this to recruiting argument, everyone
• 44:32
  has different theories, whatever.
• 44:34
  The one thing I look at every year is peeing, 24/7, and Rivals
• 44:37
  list their commitment list and whatever, with the exception of
• 44:41
  Miami who gives great talent and they will get Talent until you.
• 44:44
  And I are we're all dead and gone.
• 44:46
  All right? Because that's the, you won't.
• 44:47
  Yep. But when else is winning every
• 44:52
  no listen, everything else is when you're nine and one and
• 44:56
  ranked 12. So you were playing for
• 44:58
  Conference Championship and your own, in Prime Time games, those
• 45:02
  tenth and ninth graders who yet to get offers, but they're, you
• 45:05
  know, they're going to be top, prospects are watching.
• 45:08
  They're looking at a certain point, I believe you.
• 45:11
  And I used to write actively for 24/7 Sports.
• 45:14
  I've been of you guys like, Tyrod Taylor Marshawn Williams,
• 45:17
  Ricky Ricky Slade, Junior, Ricky Walker and even all them.
• 45:22
  I'm for my calling back in the day and they all talk about
• 45:25
  watching, Brandon Flowers, and Um, Chancellor and Chris Ellis,
• 45:29
  they paid attention because Tech was ranked in the top 10, top
• 45:32
  12. Yep, you know, and that's,
• 45:35
  that's the correlation, Virginia kids haven't changed that much.
• 45:39
  Yes, social media to stay is grown.
• 45:43
  Northern Virginia is busting at the seams Richmond area is
• 45:45
  growing Short. Pump and Chester those great
• 45:48
  place Charlottesville is growing new.
• 45:50
  Can't all that. You can talk at the state's,
• 45:52
  Virginia is a beautiful state but the one thing that hasn't
• 45:54
  changed people want to be relevant, kids want to be
• 45:56
  relevant. You know, that's why everyone
• 46:00
  was shocked. Oh yeah.
• 46:01
  One year, when UVA was able to land, Quin Blanding smoke
• 46:04
  mizzell and Andrew Brown, you know?
• 46:06
  Because they were like, hold up man.
• 46:08
  You guys aren't even going to bowl games, you know?
• 46:12
  But I know, but I will say, this is my guy and his brother, Paul
• 46:19
  is my guy to my London to this day has great relationships with
• 46:24
  people. He's got great relationships.
• 46:26
  He's at, that's a great. He's charismatic.
• 46:27
  That you can talk. He's funny.
• 46:29
  He's, you know, you feel like you can trust him.
• 46:31
  Whatever it is, we did that. And I told people that and, you
• 46:36
  know, it's funny those guys, I mentioned smoke mizzell he was
• 46:39
  high on Tech and you brown was attacked leans.
• 46:43
  He again he was part of that class with this on hand and all
• 46:46
  those guys and we missed on all of them except for Timmy, you
• 46:53
  know but at the same time $20 guys.
• 46:57
  New about Virginia Tech is Virginia Tech was relevant that
• 47:01
  kind of says it. All right, there with with the
• 47:03
  perception, you know, winning definitely helps.
• 47:07
  But we've also seems like we've kind of step back a little bit
• 47:10
  on some of the relationships. We have especially getting guys
• 47:13
  in the high schools at the consistent level.
• 47:15
  Especially the relationships that you were talking about
• 47:17
  that, you know, beaner and height and stiney.
• 47:19
  We're doing when you were getting recruited, but we
• 47:23
  lately, we did get some news with like, some preferred
• 47:26
  Walk-Ons from some Some schools that we had in necessarily had a
• 47:29
  lot of success with lately, particularly Jabari Parker with
• 47:32
  Holland Springs there with ya Johnson is stuff like that is
• 47:36
  that something that can really help kind of heal.
• 47:39
  Some of those those areas of strife, they would kind of
• 47:43
  popped up with with the high school relationships for us.
• 47:46
  Absolutely listen. If I wasn't tight with Lauren
• 47:50
  Johnson, he's the best high school coach in the state of
• 47:53
  Virginia, okay? You know, I'm saying?
• 47:59
  So like this guy, Lauren, you get a couple of Holland spring,
• 48:02
  guys, because here's the funny thing about it.
• 48:04
  Perception again to guys, I know, Lauren Johnson his
• 48:09
  players. Greg Dortch and Kevon Wallace
• 48:13
  wanted to be Hokies and look what they did on the Collegiate
• 48:16
  level. Just look.
• 48:18
  I remember only when I remember when Kevon got the call from
• 48:22
  Clemson, he was like, no, I want, I want to go.
• 48:24
  I'm all about today. Trust me, trust me.
• 48:27
  I know. This for the be Lauren Johnson
• 48:29
  and I are tight. He dated my sister only football
• 48:32
  player of my teammate, I let date my sister that's all he's
• 48:36
  married. Now to another girl named Kim
• 48:38
  and they had a beautiful family including a son who took offered
• 48:43
  me first off. Yeah, so did the date it was he
• 48:46
  got to do that like tech tech. You got to get those guys that
• 48:49
  want to be Hokies that maybe the had three stars and get them in
• 48:55
  the building and eventually you create momentum and Pipelines.
• 48:58
  You saw in the late 90s and early 2000s.
• 49:01
  Those pipelines from Western Branch from Deep Creek, from
• 49:05
  Phoebus, from Hampton, from Bethel, you know, from Western
• 49:09
  Branch. You know, the Holly Springs the
• 49:12
  Hopkins Brothers Macho because they saw their older teen years
• 49:16
  in juniors going there and they say, wow, they're playing,
• 49:18
  they're happy. I'm gonna go there too.
• 49:21
  And then, then what happens is, you're winning.
• 49:23
  Text already going to kill it when it comes to food lodging
• 49:26
  presentation. Because it's a beautiful campus,
• 49:29
  that sells itself. You don't the crowd Hokie
• 49:32
  Nation, the loved a show. Now, you got a formula for
• 49:35
  success, and I think that's that's the relationships right
• 49:39
  now. And I think to be fair to Fuente
• 49:42
  and his staff, the Dead period covid.
• 49:46
  You know, tap who would had a plan who I know he did.
• 49:49
  I talk to tap? That's my guy.
• 49:51
  I think they were going to be some great things done, but the
• 49:55
  Dead period has killed not just A lot of colleges that need to
• 50:00
  get guys on campus versus a program, like Clemson in Ohio
• 50:03
  state that can sell itself. Yeah, but I think you get those
• 50:07
  guys in your walk on. You get these guys are even
• 50:11
  commit or guy, like Jordan Williams.
• 50:13
  You get those guys and playing well and they keep advocating
• 50:17
  because when they go back to the game when they go home for
• 50:19
  Thanksgiving and Christmas break and they go back home, they
• 50:22
  going to recruit and soda program for you because when
• 50:25
  they're walking around the mall there at the basket.
• 50:27
  Ball court in the waiting room and you're like that's Jordan
• 50:30
  Williams and he's got the tech tank top and shorts on.
• 50:33
  He's liftings like yeah, that's what happens.
• 50:37
  Nice to go back home and I mean, no, me and Mike will go back
• 50:40
  home. Will you be at the old Coliseum?
• 50:43
  All a new market Mall here in the barbershop you walk in with
• 50:46
  your Virginia Tech. Bowl game, sweat suit on your
• 50:49
  fitted cock to the side, your Bullring gleaming and your bag.
• 50:53
  You like yo y'all get like that. Yo, what's good?
• 50:56
  And all seven people like me? It is you for it for the fans
• 51:01
  and the kids who are up next. That's how you create the
• 51:05
  connection that dynasty. That, that whole, I want to be a
• 51:08
  part of it. It can't just be a coach.
• 51:12
  It's got to be your perception, your players who are currently
• 51:16
  there, who would like, yo, like look at Oscar Smith, another
• 51:19
  pipeline, JC Coleman. He was on my on my, on my show
• 51:23
  and he talked about how he would come back and he got a lot of
• 51:26
  guys there they come. To Tech from Oscar Smith, you
• 51:30
  know. Yeah.
• 51:31
  And you know he talked about covid and I feel like for a
• 51:35
  school like Virginia Tech for a team like Virginia Tech that's
• 51:38
  really trying to recapture some of that momentum on the
• 51:41
  recruiting Trail covid. Just was like the worst possible
• 51:44
  time because like I said, getting kids on campus is like
• 51:48
  it's part of the battle and being able to put tax plan in
• 51:51
  place for getting back in the high schools, the way it was
• 51:54
  done before. The, all of that was something
• 51:56
  that could Help with that perception with that momentum
• 52:00
  going into 21. And now, you know, we've got a
• 52:03
  dead period this now extended, what through the end of May.
• 52:06
  So yeah, I don't even understand that.
• 52:09
  I don't. Yeah, that dead parrot thing is
• 52:12
  good. I mean, I don't know, it's
• 52:14
  weird. I do think though, if we can
• 52:19
  hopefully have this spring game, I don't even know if that's
• 52:22
  going to happen or some type of showcase.
• 52:27
  This or something where Tech and get in front of somebody kids or
• 52:31
  vice versa. So I think you're going to get
• 52:33
  some more kids. I just love the changes, they've
• 52:36
  been doing in the offseason, I don't really get hype about a
• 52:39
  lot of stuff in the offseason because you never know.
• 52:42
  I mean, you never know with attrition DUIs in eligibility
• 52:45
  academics, you just never know. I mean, it's the that's what
• 52:49
  makes it beautiful the unknown, the unexpected.
• 52:52
  That's also, sometimes when makes it painful and detrimental
• 52:55
  because they are known. We don't know what we can build.
• 52:57
  Which is why Vegas has so much money.
• 53:00
  But at the end of the day, I guess I do like the higher, like
• 53:05
  the people who are in blacks were right now.
• 53:08
  Because I think, you know, when that day period is they know,
• 53:12
  from what I know and talking to people Pearson pray those on
• 53:15
  that staff. We played together for years at
• 53:17
  Tech. That's my brother.
• 53:19
  Justin Hamilton is my guy. I know they won and went and
• 53:23
  they get it and they were there. They know what it takes but
• 53:27
  their hand Cuff right now to some degree with covid.
• 53:29
  It's a it's it's a tough situation and make no mistake
• 53:33
  about it. You know.
• 53:34
  I lost some clothes people to covid and I'm sure you guys know
• 53:37
  some stories as well. And may have lost a few, it is
• 53:40
  serious. I'm not going to get political,
• 53:42
  I don't know. It's it's real.
• 53:43
  You can feel like it's whatever hopes.
• 53:46
  I know, it's real and small businesses and a lot of people
• 53:50
  have been affected and I'm just praying it eventually gets
• 53:53
  contained and we get back to some normalcy because for me,
• 53:56
  just, you know, football and sports, especially Virginia Tech
• 54:00
  Spring Game, all that stuff for therapeutic for me and so many
• 54:02
  other people and hopefully, you know, we can get over this hump
• 54:06
  and get back to, you know, getting guys in that stadium and
• 54:10
  seeing that place where I can again, 100%.
• 54:16
  We got to attend that first spring game, the first year of
• 54:18
  Jetson valente's 10 year and it was great me and this guy we
• 54:23
  drove up we drove back down. Hit all the spots.
• 54:26
  I'm going to say a couple things while I jump to my next
• 54:28
  question, you mentioned Jordan Williams a lot of people get on
• 54:32
  to Wednesday like he doesn't have personality yada yada,
• 54:35
  whatever Jordan Williams said something.
• 54:37
  When he came back he basically he said Tech was the runner-up.
• 54:40
  He's like the relationship I forged with coach for Entei was
• 54:44
  it held a lot to me and it was almost like the way he said and
• 54:48
  when I saw the opportunity you know Clemson's bringing people
• 54:52
  in and I'm seeing less opportunity.
• 54:55
  I still have the relationship with the head coach.
• 54:57
  So as you said before it matters and the perception our head
• 55:00
  coaches getting, maybe it's, maybe it shouldn't be that way
• 55:04
  because of those words from Jordan Williams, but you
• 55:06
  mentioned tap. Now, he's going to the NFL of my
• 55:09
  49ers Speed him, but man, let me tell you, Um they brought in
• 55:15
  your teammate. Somebody you have interviewed on
• 55:18
  Victory Life JC price. Yes sir.
• 55:20
  How do you feel about him coming in and you know I'm assuming
• 55:25
  he's going to probably pick up the reins of a lot of what
• 55:27
  Darryl was going to do. Jason price is a man's man, he's
• 55:31
  your defensive line Mommy, I can tell you right now.
• 55:35
  JC price is a guy you want to play for and you know they
• 55:39
  upgraded because tap was energetic.
• 55:42
  Take knowledgeable, insightful and was with it.
• 55:45
  You see the 49ers grab them so he knows what he's doing but to
• 55:49
  be fair he actually probably is in that same position and
• 55:52
  probably more knowledgeable and experienced because he's been
• 55:55
  coaching longer, he was on the staff and he led the way when
• 55:59
  JMU gave took one of the biggest upsets in college football
• 56:03
  history of the Year Tech won the ACC in 2010 led by Ryan and Ryan
• 56:07
  Williams. So at the end of the day, the
• 56:09
  guy knows tank and he can coach and you know, You don't you
• 56:14
  looking you, people say oh you know, he was at a mid, you know,
• 56:17
  made Marshall. Look, you don't make Marshall in
• 56:20
  JMU relevant by not knowing the landscape of his State and
• 56:23
  getting players that wanted and some should have gone to.
• 56:28
  Okay God do your homework. When you talk about these guys
• 56:31
  on Twitter, JC price was it was definitely a great hire when it
• 56:36
  comes down to it, man. No Fuente.
• 56:39
  You know we all be critical man because it's tough on.
• 56:42
  On a ledger and he, you know, the timeout is past year against
• 56:46
  Liberty. Oh my gosh, I felt for him.
• 56:49
  I was pissed. But I fell for, you know, I made
• 56:52
  mistakes. Yeah.
• 56:53
  Oops. I made mistakes as a player.
• 56:55
  I mean, how many times you know, it has allowed me to feel bad
• 56:58
  when he got called for holding and they gave the winning
• 57:00
  touchdown. I mean, or lll go.
• 57:03
  Shayne Graham talked about the do Mi, so he missed a field goal
• 57:06
  that would have wanted to beat us in Miami beat Miami and Miami
• 57:09
  Linden winning in overtime, but he felt awful that whole week.
• 57:13
  Edited a man, you know. Listen it happens.
• 57:16
  I think the whole personality thing is tough because went a,
• 57:19
  when you he doesn't he doesn't come across well on TV the same
• 57:25
  way dabble does you know dabble. You know to sometimes can be
• 57:28
  corny. That's me.
• 57:30
  He is you know, you know but his players love them and they'll
• 57:34
  you know, they're go to bat for him and they fight for him.
• 57:38
  And he's able to convince guys that shouldn't come back to come
• 57:41
  back and pursue a national champions.
• 57:42
  Ship and and that and Fuente is just got to be him.
• 57:46
  And to be fair, you know, the Beamer you guys saw a late in
• 57:49
  his career when he was turning his head and dab it and dancing
• 57:53
  and dancing in the locker room and UVA that Beamer didn't exist
• 57:57
  when I was at tank. If you remember what he looked
• 58:08
  like, he would kill somebody on the sidelines.
• 58:12
  Same word as JC Coleman and Brandon Flowers and Chris Ellis.
• 58:17
  God was not to be. We were there when he was
• 58:19
  building when he was on the hot seat, when he couldn't afford a
• 58:24
  laws, you gotta understand something.
• 58:26
  That's what I'm saying looking for into now and if he stays and
• 58:29
  keeps winning, he'll be a lot different.
• 58:31
  Then you got to be careful when you compare because Beamer
• 58:35
  doesn't come across as man. This guy's killing a room.
• 58:39
  You know, if that's not Beamer but the same time you Seeing now
• 58:43
  with his little dog, Frank, Hank, whatever, and he's walking
• 58:46
  around, he's cracking jokes and he's always been a funny guy
• 58:49
  that would roast you on the low and he's always been, you know,
• 58:51
  highly respected and just someone you want to be around
• 58:54
  and he was all, he's always been funny but you know, early in his
• 58:57
  career which I was there for, it wasn't fun and games.
• 59:02
  You know, after big wins. He might let's go and throw the
• 59:05
  fist in the air and hug, guys, whatever.
• 59:07
  I mean, we beat Miami for the fourth year in a row, in the old
• 59:11
  Orange Bowl went before Became Pro Player Stadium or whatever
• 59:15
  it's called. Now, I don't think name and
• 59:16
  Pizza Hut RS. I don't know what it's called
• 59:18
  but you know, we beat them back. Then I remember in a locker when
• 59:22
  I was elated and I'll hug them and I was just like cause we
• 59:25
  won. He was like, Hey, great when you
• 59:26
  know, I was like, okay, you know, like he was, he was, he
• 59:30
  was different. You get older become a grand dad
• 59:33
  and Shane's now, a man and doing it.
• 59:35
  You your looser, you know, your job secure, you can run, you can
• 59:39
  let your guard down a bit. You know, he wasn't doing the
• 59:42
  Nae Nae Ane. All that dough, Millie WAP, and
• 59:44
  all that stuff, you know, when we would are.
• 59:47
  So In fairness of Wednesday, he's not going to be doing all
• 59:53
  that right now. He's not going to come on TV and
• 59:56
  crack jokes because In fairness to him everything now on Twitter
• 1:00:01
  and social media is used against him even if he slips up whether
• 1:00:06
  it's a timeout or he missed says someone's name or you know he's
• 1:00:10
  guarded about who he's going to start.
• 1:00:12
  You know, it's just going to be his, everything's, you know,
• 1:00:15
  we're on edge, because Hokie Nation.
• 1:00:17
  If there's a fan base, that deserves a national championship
• 1:00:20
  and deserves answers and deserves wins, its Hokie Nation.
• 1:00:24
  I mean, you look at the Red Sox before they got over the hump
• 1:00:28
  that Cubs the Cavaliers and basketball.
• 1:00:31
  Virginia Tech has suffered Decades of.
• 1:00:34
  We almost had them like the dollar and that insurance
• 1:00:37
  commercial. We have almost had it so many
• 1:00:39
  times the Matt Ryan You know, go back to my years, the temple
• 1:00:43
  game on the goal line, we're ranked 14th, we win that game.
• 1:00:46
  We jump in the top eight, you know, the laws against Kansas,
• 1:00:50
  you know, in the Orange Bowl and Brandon Brandon or sit out the
• 1:00:54
  first half because of Team violation, rules Tech has been
• 1:00:57
  on the doorstep for years and now with the offense of talent
• 1:01:02
  and the offensive scheme, whether we want to admit it or
• 1:01:06
  not, we made it up in our mind that we're going to be in this
• 1:01:08
  National Championship especially when we come out the gate.
• 1:01:11
  Eight in 2016 and take Clemson to The Verge and we get down
• 1:01:16
  there. If what they said after the game
• 1:01:17
  he's going to go for two and you got Bucky and Isaiah for you
• 1:01:21
  like man, Clemson is Clemson and we won the coastal in his first
• 1:01:24
  year and we did it to myself with the expectations.
• 1:01:29
  So now, you know, I don't think Jordan Williams is lying, you
• 1:01:33
  know? Ask me.
• 1:01:34
  I don't think Ashley's line Richard Ashby.
• 1:01:36
  I don't think Pablo's. I don't think Stan Rogers a
• 1:01:39
  line. That's their coach.
• 1:01:41
  I think he's just guarded, I think he's just going to get,
• 1:01:44
  you know, be who he is. And I don't really care if he,
• 1:01:50
  you know, didn't speak. And just talk in Sign Language.
• 1:01:53
  I just need wins. Okay.
• 1:01:55
  They, you know, I, you know, I mean, you know, do I want a more
• 1:02:01
  personal for? Yeah, but there's a lot of guys
• 1:02:04
  who are great and press conferences and they haven't won
• 1:02:07
  anything in four years and got fired.
• 1:02:09
  Yeah, you know, the fine line. Between being charismatic, but
• 1:02:12
  still losing in the fourth quarter.
• 1:02:14
  I don't care. Oh my God.
• 1:02:15
  I just don't want you going out there and losing the weight and
• 1:02:17
  getting blown out of pit. Boom.
• 1:02:20
  And look at this, do you think do you think savings trying to
• 1:02:23
  be around? We don't know.
• 1:02:26
  I mean his pressure is he looks like he hates the fact, the sun
• 1:02:29
  is shining, but at the end of the day, his players love them.
• 1:02:32
  And the fact is he's win. So he can kind of be like that.
• 1:02:36
  It's funny because Belichick now when he was winning so much I
• 1:02:40
  know that Pros, but everything was gray.
• 1:02:42
  He could be that way. Now you start losing.
• 1:02:45
  You know, it's viewed differently because losing does
• 1:02:47
  that. I said this one time on another
• 1:02:49
  show. Maybe.
• 1:02:51
  I think I tell you say that to you too.
• 1:02:52
  You know, losing ages. You everything looks bad.
• 1:02:56
  You look worse, winning, we Cuban eight.
• 1:02:59
  You everything looks better food, taste better.
• 1:03:02
  The Outlook is brighter. And you know, Forte just, you
• 1:03:05
  know, him and his staff of got to win and it's the what have
• 1:03:09
  you done for me lately world. And as far as his personality,
• 1:03:13
  you know my guys in the burger told me they loved them but
• 1:03:16
  false or not talk one time. He said, Vicki if you ever met
• 1:03:19
  him you know you would like him a lot, you know, he told me, he
• 1:03:24
  reminds me a lot of Frank. So I trust both Foster.
• 1:03:29
  I just think right now we combine our frustrations with
• 1:03:33
  the losing or inconsistencies and then it's human nature for
• 1:03:38
  anyone when something's not going, right?
• 1:03:40
  We all need to find Someone or something to blame.
• 1:03:43
  And I think that's what happens especially in sports.
• 1:03:46
  And there are too many variables just to blame one guy.
• 1:03:49
  But when you're the head coach, that's the way it works.
• 1:03:51
  And especially when in people's mind, you make enough money
• 1:03:54
  where you should be doing better and it sucks but it's the way it
• 1:03:59
  is but hopefully things change. I know.
• 1:04:01
  That's a contingency of fans that think it won't and there's
• 1:04:04
  some that would think it will. I'm a wait-and-see guy.
• 1:04:08
  I choose to be optimistic mostly Time.
• 1:04:11
  I'm a realist though. I think right now we got to play
• 1:04:14
  better and we got to have a better football like you and it
• 1:04:16
  better identity during the season.
• 1:04:18
  Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
• 1:04:21
  During the season, there were points in time last year where
• 1:04:26
  you know, there were certain parts like in the UNC game and
• 1:04:29
  then there were certain ways we play defense against Clinton
• 1:04:31
  that me, and Brian literally said that team showed up on both
• 1:04:35
  sides of the ball every week. We would be running for the
• 1:04:38
  national championship. It was the consistency.
• 1:04:41
  Distance eut in consistencies back and forth.
• 1:04:44
  I'm gonna ask one more about a coach.
• 1:04:46
  Well, coach analyst whatever. Any thoughts on John tenuta?
• 1:04:50
  I don't know if you know him, you know.
• 1:04:53
  He's got a son playing down there, he's been everywhere.
• 1:04:57
  It seems as a DC or as a football coach and he
• 1:05:00
  relationship with him. And if so what do you think of
• 1:05:03
  the higher? I don't know to know her
• 1:05:06
  personally but I think it's a great hire.
• 1:05:10
  I say this, you know, people that, you know, again want to
• 1:05:12
  find criticism. Well, he's at UVA guy.
• 1:05:15
  Well, here's the thing, but Foster when he was trying to be
• 1:05:17
  a coach he interviewed for the UVA job.
• 1:05:20
  Okay. So, calm down, you know, day,
• 1:05:24
  you know, people don't people don't need to understand
• 1:05:25
  something in the offseason. This whole robbery stuff that we
• 1:05:29
  have on Twitter with the means and the people getting personal
• 1:05:32
  into fights in the parking lot at tailgates.
• 1:05:34
  These coaches hang out together golf together, they talk during
• 1:05:38
  the season. They text each other.
• 1:05:39
  They talk about players. They consult one of this of
• 1:05:42
  business. And if you know anything about
• 1:05:45
  old-school listeners, listen to this show.
• 1:05:47
  Google fill our nation. And what he did, he was the same
• 1:05:50
  person before to neuter. He came to Tech and help bhima
• 1:05:55
  create his Mantra on defense. He helped create the lunch pail
• 1:05:59
  defense for Bud Foster, right? So, at the end of the day, Phil
• 1:06:03
  H, I'll Mason was a Ernie man to, but he came in and created
• 1:06:07
  that eight-man front that Boston could but coach, but Foster took
• 1:06:10
  to the next level and made it the lunch pail D, which is
• 1:06:14
  legendary in the history of college football, right?
• 1:06:17
  So to neuter, is another guy and not only do they do great work
• 1:06:20
  in Cincinnati. He did great work wherever he
• 1:06:23
  went because he's a great coach to be honest with you, man.
• 1:06:27
  I'm already hearing. His impact is being felt in the
• 1:06:29
  locker room, not a locker room, but in the office is the coaches
• 1:06:32
  meanings. Justin Hamilton.
• 1:06:34
  The right guy for the job. I think he heard him speak.
• 1:06:37
  We saw when he was able to get his hands on the defense, they
• 1:06:40
  got better to statistically. And with the eye test as the
• 1:06:44
  season went along late in the season I think you got to give
• 1:06:47
  somebody like that a chance, you know, to learn from someone like
• 1:06:51
  to neuter because I'm here because I learned from people
• 1:06:54
  that, you know, when my predecessors and mentored me, I
• 1:06:58
  don't care what line of business and you got to have somebody to
• 1:07:00
  consult and leads you and teach you.
• 1:07:02
  So there's nothing wrong with That and I'll just add that at
• 1:07:06
  the end of the day, it's a great high for Tech man, you throw him
• 1:07:10
  in there JC price those guys on winners then winners and they
• 1:07:15
  can coach. They can coach their asses off.
• 1:07:17
  And on top of it, they know the game.
• 1:07:20
  And you got to have people like that in your building, but I
• 1:07:25
  don't know him personally, but I saw that.
• 1:07:27
  And that's one of those hires man, you know, when you sign
• 1:07:32
  certain players, so you hire certain coaches We live in the
• 1:07:35
  world where you know if it's not impactful as far as like at that
• 1:07:40
  moment. I oh my gosh, man.
• 1:07:42
  You know, that is that's a great higher and then you know, months
• 1:07:46
  later a year, you know, turns out it wasn't what we thought,
• 1:07:49
  right? Like when Dwayne Lawson was the
• 1:07:51
  quarterback of the future. We were so hype and that never
• 1:07:53
  panned out, you know? I'm saying you use.
• 1:07:56
  There's a lot of guys like that. They'll Juju Clayton aware that
• 1:07:58
  there's all these guys. Oh my gosh.
• 1:08:01
  But then all of a sudden, quietly, a guy commence or coach
• 1:08:04
  comes On board and years later, you're like, wow, how big was
• 1:08:07
  that? Like even when we signed the kid
• 1:08:09
  that you kogai Jerrod Evans that really wasn't calibrated, that
• 1:08:15
  wasn't people, didn't go crazy with that commitment.
• 1:08:18
  And then look what he did in the record books for Tech, and the
• 1:08:20
  Coastal Division title. So I think to notice the same
• 1:08:23
  kind of higher, I think you look at what he does.
• 1:08:26
  I mean, I think there was more talk about him being a UVA guy
• 1:08:30
  and what he said about tech when he was on UVA staff.
• 1:08:35
  But here's the thing, how many fans that listen to the podcast
• 1:08:38
  or get on Twitter say I'm never watching Tech again.
• 1:08:41
  They will never get a dollar for me just team is trash fire
• 1:08:45
  everybody. And then next we did like oh
• 1:08:47
  great, wind Hokies are love you Hokie Nation, great win over
• 1:08:50
  Miami, we do, we do that. We're emotional history of most,
• 1:08:56
  we are we do, the noodle was a UVA guy that season.
• 1:09:00
  He was talking trash bash, and it is what it is.
• 1:09:04
  You think with my son being a basketball, Prospect of UVA
• 1:09:07
  offered him and take, didn't I would be singing while who all
• 1:09:10
  day during basketball season and I like, you know, it's it is
• 1:09:15
  what it is. But I mean I hope that calls but
• 1:09:19
  anyway but like y'all you know just answer your question guys.
• 1:09:25
  That was a great hire. I like that a lot.
• 1:09:27
  I did I actually that's probably the most excited.
• 1:09:30
  I've been besides JC joining the staff.
• 1:09:32
  That's awesome. Yeah I was looking at was like,
• 1:09:35
  yeah, this this guy. Can I feel like can do what I
• 1:09:38
  think. Tracy claeys was originally
• 1:09:40
  brought in to do, but never really seemed to have success
• 1:09:43
  with. I feel like, you know, to nude
• 1:09:46
  his role is going to be kind of that guy to, you know, hold the
• 1:09:51
  mirror up and maybe even find blind spots that Justin Hamilton
• 1:09:54
  doesn't see and kind of fill in those areas and make him a
• 1:09:57
  better coach in the long run. So yeah, I definitely didn't
• 1:10:00
  run. Yeah, and to your point about
• 1:10:03
  those blind spots. I'll tell you one that, you
• 1:10:06
  know, I think Justin was, she could have back, I never asked
• 1:10:08
  him about it. But like, that Liberty game,
• 1:10:10
  many people talk about that, time out, that coach Fuente burn
• 1:10:14
  for the Personnel lineups, everything like that.
• 1:10:16
  But prior to that, you know, the defensive alignment where Justin
• 1:10:21
  backed off everybody. And then they got that quick
• 1:10:25
  first down, and they made the kick, much easier.
• 1:10:28
  Yeah, but it was almost like Tech wasn't supposed to win that
• 1:10:31
  game. Anyway, because I saw that
• 1:10:33
  kicker Or and after he played Tech and he was absolutely
• 1:10:36
  garbage. He couldn't kick but he you know
• 1:10:41
  that's that's you know, Liberty Liberty made a great wind, I
• 1:10:45
  think, you know, you know, back to your point about to new to,
• 1:10:48
  you know, fill in the gaps and those blind spots, I think
• 1:10:51
  that's the fine line between winning and losing, not just for
• 1:10:54
  Virginia Tech but a lot of programs because, you know, the
• 1:10:57
  Liberty game, the Wake Forest game just a lot of games, just
• 1:11:02
  the last two seasons. The game against Kentucky, where
• 1:11:05
  they had it converted wide receiver playing quarterback
• 1:11:08
  that was false as last year. But there were a lot of games
• 1:11:12
  and if we went to his tenure, when he gets Milan and
• 1:11:15
  criticized for a variety of reasons more, so losing the
• 1:11:18
  game. But there were times within a
• 1:11:20
  game where I felt like the staff was just a little bit off with
• 1:11:24
  their coaching decisions and I think sometimes it's a matter of
• 1:11:30
  adjustments. And sometimes it's a matter of
• 1:11:32
  being lucky who's the gentleman Brought in a few years ago from
• 1:11:35
  Minnesota, he's a journeyman to the offensive consultant that
• 1:11:39
  left heel who dare Kill. Ya, Jerry kill saw what he did
• 1:11:44
  for our program that year. We made the run one in the end
• 1:11:46
  of the season. Went out of five out of six or
• 1:11:48
  whatever, after the Duke debacle, and they doing Hendon
• 1:11:52
  hooker as a starter bench Ryan. Well, let's put offensive ly
• 1:11:56
  along with Buzz, shutout defenses, and things like that.
• 1:11:59
  I really felt like that was a great guy to bring in because
• 1:12:03
  he's going To do with the nude. Again there's going to do.
• 1:12:06
  Excuse me. Yeah, yeah, definitely wouldn't
• 1:12:09
  kill came in. It felt like almost like the
• 1:12:11
  offense. Had more Direction.
• 1:12:13
  Didn't put players and as many bad spots so yeah, I definitely
• 1:12:17
  think you have to do to can do something similar with the
• 1:12:19
  defense that's going to be good for us.
• 1:12:21
  Uh-huh. I'll say that.
• 1:12:23
  I wanted to ask you this question.
• 1:12:25
  We saw a tweet come through the other day from you regarding
• 1:12:28
  like transfer portal and stuff like that.
• 1:12:31
  I'll read it to you and I'll let you kind of respond to it a
• 1:12:34
  little bit. Here.
• 1:12:35
  Okay, believe me. I know everyone has a reason but
• 1:12:38
  breath some of you guys are just running.
• 1:12:44
  You know, and take things forget, I talk about other
• 1:12:47
  programs to and people like, oh, Quincy Patterson.
• 1:12:51
  And I'm like, first of all, Quincy, definitely you knew he
• 1:12:54
  was leaving. That was inevitable hooker.
• 1:12:58
  Actually he I think he made the right decision by leaving
• 1:13:02
  because I felt like and again I'm not now locker room.
• 1:13:05
  I'm not in the quarterback meeting room, I felt like with
• 1:13:09
  him having to health issues in the beginning and you know them
• 1:13:13
  throwing him in the Mix and late in that game against you and see
• 1:13:17
  where he just was on fire. I'm sure he was uncertain about
• 1:13:20
  his future, so that makes sense. But just same time, there are
• 1:13:25
  some Tech players and some other players across the country where
• 1:13:30
  they got to learn how to fight, man.
• 1:13:32
  You gotta learn how to snap that.
• 1:13:33
  And I'm not talking about Floyd Mayweather Tyson.
• 1:13:35
  I mean, you know, because people two words, yeah, I'm talking
• 1:13:38
  about fighting adversity, people don't realize, it's almost
• 1:13:42
  transfer from Tech. I was a redshirt sophomore.
• 1:13:44
  And this is back when Tech the Golden Era of their offensive.
• 1:13:48
  Lineman, you know, when you know, I was there.
• 1:13:50
  DiNapoli Derrick, Derrick Smith tied Washington, Chris Malone,
• 1:13:56
  Bill Conti Jim Pine some of the best ever.
• 1:13:59
  Yeah. Jay hey good TJ Washington.
• 1:14:01
  Mike by an shit you talkin about some great matte layer, David
• 1:14:07
  Candela you know. Anthony Davis came behind me
• 1:14:11
  that was the golden are. I think this year you had a
• 1:14:13
  snapshot Of what it could be if they keep getting guys like what
• 1:14:16
  they had their today. I mean this season, but I'm
• 1:14:20
  playing but, you know, you're 18, 19 years are I'm like, why
• 1:14:24
  am I not starting? I mean, I lettered as a redshirt
• 1:14:27
  freshman, I'm playing a lot as a redshirt sophomore and I'm
• 1:14:33
  playing in the important parts of the game, but you want to
• 1:14:37
  play more and I'm like, I'm just as good a Janeiro and Janeiro
• 1:14:40
  and I are brothers, that's my guy, so it's not personal.
• 1:14:44
  So To be fair, I did talk to my dad about transferring to
• 1:14:48
  Hampton University. I was looking at JMU has some of
• 1:14:51
  my friends that left and I called them and they were like,
• 1:14:55
  absolutely. Now that coach know you're
• 1:14:57
  interested but my dad was like, you shouldn't leave.
• 1:15:01
  What are you doing? You're playing.
• 1:15:03
  You guys are going to the Orange Bowl e with ten in one.
• 1:15:05
  You know, you're playing, you're contributing, you're in the mix.
• 1:15:09
  And you're, you're going to start next year as a junior and
• 1:15:12
  it kind of was a smack in the face over.
• 1:15:14
  Oh, the phone like, yeah. Wake up, snap out of it.
• 1:15:17
  And then we're got back to coach height and Coach Grimes and
• 1:15:22
  Beamer and different coaches talked to me, and they were
• 1:15:25
  like, you're not doing anything wrong, which is very talented
• 1:15:28
  and you just got to keep fighting.
• 1:15:30
  And there were some things I needed to do better, and the ego
• 1:15:35
  is very powerful because it addresses, your conscious and
• 1:15:38
  subconscious. He when you don't think it does
• 1:15:41
  and the ego is the manipulator to, because your start,
• 1:15:44
  Analyzing bad decisions. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:46
  Well I should I should have done this.
• 1:15:47
  I should have lead, they don't respect you, you know it's like
• 1:15:50
  that angel devil on your shoulder and the devil was like
• 1:15:53
  you got to go, you're not appreciating you, you know, you
• 1:15:56
  you were from Hampton. You you were fourth in the
• 1:15:58
  nation by sporting news and you were ranked and you only playing
• 1:16:03
  27 snaps. You need to start, thank God, I
• 1:16:08
  didn't. Listen man, I stayed and I
• 1:16:10
  fought End up meeting my wife, the following year, my future
• 1:16:14
  wife and was part of some great wins, be Alabama.
• 1:16:18
  My senior year, you know, as you guys mentioned, I'm one of the,
• 1:16:21
  you know, one of the best players to play there and that's
• 1:16:24
  me know, William Boatwright. So many guys why I tell her, you
• 1:16:27
  know, I feel like I'm honored just to be mentioned.
• 1:16:30
  So at the same time, some of these guys have been lied to by
• 1:16:34
  their trainers and 707 coaches in their High School coaches.
• 1:16:38
  They're being lied to. I mean, think about all the
• 1:16:40
  greats that stay. Fade and fall.
• 1:16:41
  I mean, look at the guy, like, Greg, Boone who I saw in high
• 1:16:44
  school at Oscar Smith and he was an animal and they put him at
• 1:16:48
  Tech at tight end. And he was a quarterback in high
• 1:16:50
  school and they were reading that wild turkey with him, which
• 1:16:53
  is the text version in the Wildcat and he had some great
• 1:16:56
  runs in the Red Zone but didn't really pass the ball to him that
• 1:16:59
  much. He wasn't utilized like Bucky
• 1:17:01
  Hodges and rightfully so him. Bucky are two different types of
• 1:17:04
  body, builds and different types of tight ends but Greg Boone.
• 1:17:09
  And the Lesser College could have been missed In his own,
• 1:17:12
  right? But here's the thing.
• 1:17:14
  You talk to tech fans. He was a stud, you know, it's
• 1:17:17
  just it's your perspective, he was a, he was a great blocker,
• 1:17:20
  he was reliable. He has some key catches.
• 1:17:23
  He was a great and short yardage.
• 1:17:25
  He had to let you know, some great runs in the red zone and
• 1:17:29
  he was reliable. Like I said, you know, it's just
• 1:17:31
  sometimes you don't realize that you are in a good position.
• 1:17:35
  I do think some of these guys are being misled and I think
• 1:17:38
  some of these guys are are making bad.
• 1:17:41
  Decisions. I think some of these guys are
• 1:17:43
  running and I have no problem, I'll say it again, like Samuel L
• 1:17:46
  Jackson, I'll tweet lie again. You know I'm saying like, you
• 1:17:52
  know, at the end of the day I think guys have to learn how to
• 1:17:56
  compete, man. I mean, Brandon Flowers.
• 1:18:00
  Shout out to the OG when the best that do it, the goat.
• 1:18:03
  In my opinion, Brandon Flowers, today's his birthday.
• 1:18:07
  He was sitting behind Jimmy Williams.
• 1:18:09
  Who was a unanimous All-American?
• 1:18:11
  You know now Brandon Flowers is that Tech.
• 1:18:14
  You know, I'm not saying he would Brandon but the kind of
• 1:18:17
  player that that like him wouldn't go and wake behind
• 1:18:20
  Jimmy Williams. He said I'm saying, is that
• 1:18:22
  making sense? Absolutely, you know, some of
• 1:18:24
  these guys are premature and you know what?
• 1:18:27
  I'm not going to do this but I'll say it.
• 1:18:31
  I won't get on Twitter and then people because I don't like, I
• 1:18:34
  don't want to make it personal, but I'll say this, there's a
• 1:18:37
  strong track record of a lot of guys leaving and not doing well.
• 1:18:44
  And you guys, you probably know some you thinking about right
• 1:18:47
  now who were premature and them leaving, and they left.
• 1:18:51
  And again, some guys leave and you like, hey, you need to go
• 1:18:56
  closer to home or, you know, their position coach laughs,
• 1:19:00
  and, you know what? However, it is or but I mean
• 1:19:03
  like, for example. All right, I'm going to say a
• 1:19:05
  name and I get it. I still maybe you guys got the
• 1:19:08
  scoop on what happened? Why it is?
• 1:19:12
  My gosh, I'm bad with names today.
• 1:19:14
  The kid he was he did it go to Missouri.
• 1:19:18
  The receiver that dude was there last year that with opposite
• 1:19:22
  side? Trey Turner the receiver
• 1:19:25
  Hazleton. Yeah.
• 1:19:27
  Yeah, you know, I don't know him don't know his story but Dude,
• 1:19:32
  you had what 10 touchdowns last year?
• 1:19:36
  What's the? I don't get it, you go to
• 1:19:37
  Missouri, I know, text regnum it, come on now.
• 1:19:40
  I mean again, maybe there's something going on, maybe he's
• 1:19:43
  got a girlfriend there, maybe they got the education
• 1:19:45
  department that I don't know, but some of these guys I don't
• 1:19:48
  get it. It's what I mean, it's not just
• 1:19:50
  about to transform Porter, it's just like some of these guys
• 1:19:53
  just like, you know, it's a different mindset, it's kind of
• 1:19:57
  like a me. You, we were all hanging out.
• 1:19:59
  And I was like, you know what, tonight, I feel like Papa
• 1:20:02
  John's. I've had enough of, you know,
• 1:20:04
  Domino's, you know why I want to Gumby's Pizza, you know, I just
• 1:20:08
  you know what was wrong with? Not just, you know, I just feel
• 1:20:10
  like you know, I want to travel now I want to go check out New
• 1:20:14
  York. You know, you just that's why I
• 1:20:15
  feel like some of these guys are doing.
• 1:20:17
  Yeah. You know, like I want to.
• 1:20:19
  Yeah. Hey yeah.
• 1:20:21
  Check it out. As soon as the first sign of
• 1:20:23
  trouble, it's like all right. Well, I'm gonna try something
• 1:20:24
  different. Yeah.
• 1:20:26
  Yeah. There's some of them that make
• 1:20:29
  sense. Don't get me wrong, because in
• 1:20:31
  this is numerous schools, because I look at the portal.
• 1:20:35
  47. All the time that I was here
• 1:20:36
  about guys transferring some of them you look and it's like
• 1:20:39
  they're like seventh on the death truck but they're
• 1:20:41
  talented. Their goal is in their mind is I
• 1:20:43
  need to get on the field so people can see me play and you
• 1:20:48
  get that and then but then there's guys like Hazleton who's
• 1:20:51
  going to be on the field and it's like to your point.
• 1:20:54
  Well is Damon. We don't know the store but
• 1:20:57
  could the backstory be, he's got his degree, they have a good
• 1:21:00
  master's program and he's thinking I'm gonna probably try
• 1:21:04
  to chase my enough. L dream.
• 1:21:05
  But I want to get my masters and that universities really good.
• 1:21:09
  So there's a different reason then I think to your point.
• 1:21:13
  Some guys are like, man, I'm I'm third on the time thirst ring on
• 1:21:17
  the depth chart man and coaches. Always riding me and man.
• 1:21:21
  I'm tired of it to your point. Is you make it bleep.
• 1:21:26
  You make a great point but I'll just add, you know, I don't know
• 1:21:29
  if you saw it yet but he was on my show to Vontae Beckett.
• 1:21:33
  All right. Stay back behind move the top it
• 1:21:37
  will cry. Can't say his name.
• 1:21:38
  The kids from sailing with all the hair and also Jalen.
• 1:21:42
  Yeah, and the Edmonds brother, right?
• 1:21:44
  He was telling me this and he got into the trouble, which
• 1:21:47
  everything later was dismissed but he ended up being Conference
• 1:21:50
  USA. Deep is the played a year and
• 1:21:53
  Bud Foster actually ironically JC price reached out to him
• 1:21:56
  after a recommendation from both Foster and it was a marriage
• 1:21:59
  made in heaven and he was happy but he told me about her.
• 1:22:04
  How he was going to stay at even though he was behind those guys
• 1:22:08
  I mean in Edmonds is a stud you see what he's doing for the
• 1:22:11
  Buffalo Bills but he wasn't talking about transferring.
• 1:22:16
  I mean, I just think, you know, at the end of the day, you know,
• 1:22:21
  they are legit reasons. And I say all this, who knows
• 1:22:23
  what my son may happen when he may get somewhere and have to
• 1:22:26
  transfer. And I think the transfer portal
• 1:22:28
  has been good to Virginia, Tech people Overlook that sometimes
• 1:22:32
  because we look at who we lose but looking for We've gotten
• 1:22:36
  Khalil her. Bernie other guys back the same
• 1:22:39
  time. I stand by what I tweet.
• 1:22:41
  I think some of these guys are premature and their decisions,
• 1:22:44
  their emotional, I tell kids all the time when I'm entering found
• 1:22:48
  to them, be careful getting directions on your journey from
• 1:22:52
  people who've never left their home.
• 1:22:54
  You know, you got to be careful getting advice from people who
• 1:22:59
  have to two credits at Strayer who trying to tell you what
• 1:23:02
  Universe you should go play ball lat.
• 1:23:04
  Yeah. Heh Be careful.
• 1:23:05
  Yeah be careful because these guys don't know they haven't
• 1:23:08
  been on the depth chart and injuries happen, you know?
• 1:23:12
  And I just think sometimes it's okay.
• 1:23:14
  Like my son was on Varsity this year, he played and maybe seven
• 1:23:18
  games but he was you know, behind Juniors and seniors and
• 1:23:22
  he was a true. He true, he was a freshman on
• 1:23:24
  the varsity and I said, man just stay ready to keep working hard,
• 1:23:28
  you know, learn pay attention when you get in the game you
• 1:23:31
  know, be coachable and but you believe it or not?
• 1:23:34
  Today's world we live in is some freshmen.
• 1:23:36
  Who would like man? I'm not going to stay here next
• 1:23:39
  year. I need to be starting now going
• 1:23:41
  to transfer to this school, to go to this private school
• 1:23:43
  because it's coach saw my mixtape and I got it and and,
• 1:23:47
  and that's what's happening. I'm just, I'm just over it man.
• 1:23:51
  Like when I stole that tweet, not what I tweeted but the tweet
• 1:23:55
  I retweeted. I stole that from a Divan
• 1:23:58
  Morgan. Yeah, and I was like this number
• 1:24:02
  is ridiculous. I mean there.
• 1:24:04
  Kids just sitting there, you know, and I get it.
• 1:24:08
  We lost the kid, Virginia Tech and the transfer portal.
• 1:24:13
  The receiver out of Lafayette, not Hazleton.
• 1:24:18
  He was the Partridge with Hezekiah.
• 1:24:21
  Yeah. Now he's a he's a player that I
• 1:24:25
  thought should have because I used to tweak, can we get him
• 1:24:28
  some balls but then again, Trey Turner in Hazelton and Robinson
• 1:24:36
  today. But David Robinson was just just
• 1:24:40
  phenomenal Trio receivers, how you going to get on the field
• 1:24:43
  with them, you know. So it works both ways.
• 1:24:47
  Um, and I just, you know, but I do know some of these guys, you
• 1:24:50
  know, they get on here with these subtweet.
• 1:24:53
  So these Cryptid Twigs, you know, time to explore my options
• 1:24:57
  or, you know, it's been good Blacksburg.
• 1:25:00
  Yeah, Brett. Just stop it, you know, come on,
• 1:25:03
  you know, I'm saying, you know, just Just make a decision and
• 1:25:07
  and and fight through some adversity.
• 1:25:10
  Yes, I think some absolute. I know it was like this for me,
• 1:25:13
  even even playing D3. Like going from being your big
• 1:25:17
  man on campus in high school to Blake, everybody being good is
• 1:25:21
  kind of a shock to the system and you gotta you gotta work
• 1:25:24
  through a whole lot and you're not going to necessarily climb
• 1:25:27
  you know to the 2D just because you know you were good back in
• 1:25:31
  high school. So you gotta you had a fight
• 1:25:33
  through that and when you Get on the field.
• 1:25:35
  You got to make sure you make most of that opportunity and not
• 1:25:38
  not worry about what my snap count was only 10 in this game
• 1:25:41
  or whatever it is make the most of those opportunities.
• 1:25:44
  Yeah, absolutely man. And and I'm not that old head on
• 1:25:48
  your show right now. Who is like, oh man, these guys
• 1:25:52
  are so soft. And we didn't have that many
• 1:25:55
  uniform combos. Like I said earlier, man, I want
• 1:25:59
  all these guys to be successful. I want X to be relevant.
• 1:26:02
  I wanted to be winning, and I want, you know, Even with
• 1:26:05
  hinging hooker, man, I don't really care for Tennessee
• 1:26:08
  football, but I want him to sign it Tennessee, but they seem like
• 1:26:13
  they're going through their own since they in my last point on
• 1:26:22
  that man. And I'm not gonna be long on
• 1:26:23
  this point, but I don't know. I don't know these young guys
• 1:26:29
  and I said it's because I did know this, I don't know if they
• 1:26:32
  realize, man, you're going to many, many of them will go and
• 1:26:36
  get a shot and many of them. Some of them, not many will get
• 1:26:39
  a chance to stay or have a career like, Nick Source in
• 1:26:43
  who's now coaching and league. But he was a special teams
• 1:26:46
  captain and played at Seattle and got some reps and had a good
• 1:26:50
  career as a contributor and that's fine.
• 1:26:54
  Like, but did you get a degree in you come back or you cold
• 1:26:57
  sore? Start a family.
• 1:26:58
  But I don't know if all these guys realize that it's not just
• 1:27:02
  about the football, like I get it because I knew like, people
• 1:27:07
  don't realize I had a shot and I got a call and, you know, I went
• 1:27:12
  to the Ravens minicamp and the Patriots called might go forth
• 1:27:16
  for my tape and I mean, but they took Damien Woody and why
• 1:27:19
  wouldn't he was great and he did great and New England.
• 1:27:22
  He was great at BC he played at Patrick Henry Ashland, but I did
• 1:27:26
  it today. A man, like, I got two degrees
• 1:27:29
  met my wife and I was all-conference and and played in
• 1:27:33
  bowl games and had my name called not for hold him before
• 1:27:36
  great blocks. So, you know, at the end of the
• 1:27:39
  day, man like you're bigger than that, you know, be a bigger than
• 1:27:43
  something than just football and I think sometimes with the
• 1:27:48
  combination of social media, the manufacturer height we have
• 1:27:51
  right now, the misinformation these kids get, I think
• 1:27:54
  sometimes they lose himself with all this and they actually put
• 1:27:57
  more pressure. Pressure on themselves.
• 1:27:58
  They realize Yeah, I can totally concur with you because I didn't
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  play any Collegiate Sports. I was in a fraternity but I made
• 1:28:10
  some of my best friends. I met my wife at school me and
• 1:28:15
  Brian had known each other since middle school, we're still
• 1:28:18
  hanging out 23 later. It's a lot more than just that.
• 1:28:22
  So I like that point, I am here to ask you a question because
• 1:28:25
  you've mentioned some games here and there, what was your
• 1:28:28
  favorite game that you played in IT Tech?
• 1:28:31
  What is Nick game sticks and says, that's the one cool man.
• 1:28:39
  You know what? Oh my God.
• 1:28:41
  That is a tough question. That is a very tough question
• 1:28:45
  about this. How about 30?
• 1:28:47
  She top three. Maybe that can help the Well, I
• 1:28:56
  wish you a text me that before. So I could because Dad stuff
• 1:28:59
  because I'll probably when we done recording this I'll
• 1:29:01
  probably say oh I had this one. Okay.
• 1:29:09
  I think I heard you mentioned before the first time, tech one
• 1:29:12
  in the Orange Bowl. You are part of that team right?
• 1:29:14
  Huh. Yeah that was special.
• 1:29:16
  I didn't play that much but it's funny.
• 1:29:20
  That was going to be my number one was the His bowl win.
• 1:29:25
  There's the second one we had that we won there for the first
• 1:29:28
  time in 96. We came back in 98.
• 1:29:30
  We were 3 and 0 - 3 you know yeah that's definitely him a one
• 1:29:34
  and it was a hurricane. Ironically the Miami Hurricanes,
• 1:29:37
  a hurricane on the horizon, coming up the coast and we had
• 1:29:41
  to get that game. And it was a prime-time game at
• 1:29:44
  8:00 p.m. and the only other primetime game and for you 90s
• 1:29:49
  early 2000s, heads, you realize this was a big rivalry to time.
• 1:29:53
  Tennessee, with Peyton Manning was playing and I believe Peyton
• 1:29:57
  Manning was gone. It was Tee Martin and Florida
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  led by Steve Spurrier. They were the Primetime other
• 1:30:02
  game. So man being Tech, both ranked
• 1:30:05
  on and my Tennessee and Florida was in the other channel and we
• 1:30:10
  beat Miami and over time when they had gosh Talent, Ray Lewis
• 1:30:16
  not Ray Lewis, he was already going.
• 1:30:17
  That was you have a few years before.
• 1:30:18
  But they had a Damian Lewis. Edgerrin, James Clinton Portis
• 1:30:23
  was a Act of Ed Reed was the starter Santana Moss Reggie.
• 1:30:27
  When we got down 2:47, you know, Luke was on the sidelines girls.
• 1:30:32
  Twerking in the stands sold out. That came out in the Smoke
• 1:30:36
  ma'am. He's talking Cash.
• 1:30:38
  Money trash, they had damn Morgan.
• 1:30:42
  My gosh, so many household names, man and speed all on the
• 1:30:46
  field. It was so humid, but it was a
• 1:30:50
  great win. I mean, we want to know what
• 1:30:52
  time Corey morning goldberger called Bradley Nate Williams.
• 1:30:57
  Chris, Cyrus Chad, Beasley David Pew, the baby death row because
• 1:31:02
  that follow me in 99, they did with 95.
• 1:31:04
  Did they were also great. But that game was great beat
• 1:31:08
  Miami and then running to that Sidelines.
• 1:31:10
  Saying that's four in a row. Y'all can't beat us and their
• 1:31:13
  coaches, like, get out of here, get out of here, you know, and
• 1:31:16
  they were hot, you know? And that was the old Orange
• 1:31:18
  Bowl. There was a mistake there and
• 1:31:20
  technique you can see us. It was Is it because, you know,
• 1:31:24
  you beat him in 95, you beat him with 96, you beat him in 97 and
• 1:31:28
  97. They said they were rebuilding
• 1:31:31
  and we beat him in 98. That's four in a row and you can
• 1:31:35
  see that Butch Davis was building something special with
• 1:31:39
  them, but Tech was not ready to give it up.
• 1:31:42
  And we were the premier program. That was really special, really,
• 1:31:46
  really special, probably number one.
• 1:31:49
  So that would be the favorite game.
• 1:31:51
  I would throw in Alabama. My That game ever as a hokie, we
• 1:31:56
  had heartache that year but the heartache set up the great
• 1:31:59
  season that was 99. But 98 we lost the temple who
• 1:32:03
  had lost 35 935 conference games in a row Temple.
• 1:32:07
  For all you old, his listing was the worst program every year in
• 1:32:11
  college football. We were ranked.
• 1:32:13
  What change? We would like a 20-something
• 1:32:15
  Point favorite. We were up 17.
• 1:32:17
  Nothing. They came back and won in Lane
• 1:32:19
  Stadium on homecoming. 2824. That's saying you we lost the
• 1:32:26
  Syracuse in the Orange Bowl. We win the game.
• 1:32:27
  We go to the BCS bowl and play Florida Gators in the Orange
• 1:32:31
  Bowl. We let that game, 21, 22, and we
• 1:32:35
  lost to make Nano on a last second touchdown.
• 1:32:38
  That was that same year and then we also lost to UVA losing 20,
• 1:32:42
  not winning 6:31 and it came back and avenge their comeback
• 1:32:48
  lost to us from 95. Aaron Brooks to pass to my
• 1:32:51
  longtime friend of mine Hawkins. So not we rating three we're
• 1:32:57
  ranked but we should be undefeated, it's my senior year
• 1:33:01
  and we're ranked and we playing Alabama and they are talking
• 1:33:04
  trash the entire week at audible activities and festive.
• 1:33:08
  This is the SEC. They had a cornerback named
• 1:33:11
  Fernando Brian who was an All-American and All-American
• 1:33:14
  running back and I had, who's that I'm Alexander was the
• 1:33:20
  running back. Number 11, yes.
• 1:33:23
  Alexander and it was the and they also had the All-American
• 1:33:26
  offers alignment off the tackle, Chris Samuels, and I really like
• 1:33:29
  hanging out at a joint team function, he was telling coin
• 1:33:33
  Engelberg, had never given up a sack even in practice and I was
• 1:33:37
  like, who is this? Dude, you know, we smoked
• 1:33:43
  Alabama, gave them their worst Bowl loss, ever in the inaugural
• 1:33:46
  Music City Bowl in the middle of a Northeastern in Nashville,
• 1:33:50
  Tennessee, in dolly world. We gave We got that dub on them
• 1:33:54
  and they were sick to their stomach, and the entire night.
• 1:33:58
  And then, even the next day, all you heard was rolltech because,
• 1:34:02
  you know, they say Roll Tide and Hokie Nation to, so that was
• 1:34:07
  great. And, you know, I get even
• 1:34:09
  emotional interior. Telling you guys that right now,
• 1:34:12
  because, you know, those losses still haunt me, you know, as a
• 1:34:17
  senior as a player those three losses to UVA Syracuse and
• 1:34:21
  Temple but at least It's my last game, you know, was over
• 1:34:25
  Alabama, first time we ever beat him and it was a legendary win
• 1:34:29
  and I set up the momentum for the 99 season, which they
• 1:34:32
  probably should have won that year in the national
• 1:34:34
  championship game. But they played for one and then
• 1:34:38
  just to throw in good measures, you know, as far as, you know,
• 1:34:41
  three, I would probably say There's a lot more but I right
• 1:34:46
  now I would probably say this Syracuse game that saying he,
• 1:34:52
  I'm not the same year my junior year because the Syracuse game
• 1:34:58
  was great, because we beat them, 31, 27, ever forget mcnab's,
• 1:35:02
  quote after the game. It was on my birthday.
• 1:35:04
  So we went on my birthday but McNabb said to the media, the
• 1:35:08
  press in his post game, press sir, we could have won if we
• 1:35:11
  wanted to and Mike who backed up McNabb always say that because
• 1:35:21
  of that, quote, I never understood that quote, but
• 1:35:23
  that's the days where we couldn't win up there at the
• 1:35:26
  Dome, and they couldn't win in Lane stadium, and nothing better
• 1:35:30
  than, you know, when, you know, your birthday and then going
• 1:35:32
  downtown to our nose and Big Al's and getting drinks.
• 1:35:36
  And it's your birthday and you won, and you got the Virginia
• 1:35:40
  Tech sweat suit on and everybody's showing you love and
• 1:35:45
  His great man. It is a great, great feeling.
• 1:35:47
  I love when it but Tech, man. I got more great wins, you know,
• 1:35:51
  I would throw another wins where I was, you know, a backup or
• 1:35:54
  played, some the Sugar Bowl 95 but those are the three I gave
• 1:35:58
  you right there. Especially at Miami when was
• 1:36:01
  great to Clemson win and 98 was good going down and Clemson is
• 1:36:04
  checking them out 37 nothing but I don't really love that game.
• 1:36:09
  It was so hot in South Carolina for twelve o'clock kickoff.
• 1:36:12
  I felt like a sun was behind this event.
• 1:36:16
  It was that game was played at a party with a movie until 3:00,
• 1:36:21
  because you now we have the code red Code.
• 1:36:23
  Orange heat advisories. And you know, it's a different
• 1:36:26
  time. So, you know, no, such thing is
• 1:36:31
  red and orange heat advisory in the 1990s and just, I think
• 1:36:35
  about looking back, man. Could love.
• 1:36:37
  I remember when people were dying in 98 people, 96 people,
• 1:36:42
  Corey Stewart passed away for the Vikings Rush.
• 1:36:45
  Lost the player people were passing out in the Heat and
• 1:36:48
  beans is like you got to fight through it.
• 1:36:52
  That was it, that was his response and I was like, I just
• 1:36:55
  knew we're going to get Practice cancelled but again, different
• 1:36:58
  time, different era. But you guys got me emotional
• 1:37:02
  now, think about those great wins.
• 1:37:04
  Those were some great great times man and that's the beauty
• 1:37:08
  of being on the team like a great team like that.
• 1:37:12
  Love to hear that love you that I want to ask.
• 1:37:15
  Personal question that you might only have.
• 1:37:18
  One that comes to mind. Was there a guy that whether you
• 1:37:21
  practice against the more you play the game against them?
• 1:37:23
  Like when you saw his number across the ball?
• 1:37:26
  You just said you said, man, it's gonna be a long day.
• 1:37:28
  Mmm, law that happened in practice.
• 1:37:32
  Yeah I remember man you gotta remember something man.
• 1:37:36
  I went against jimbaran Hank Coleman Cornell Brown JC price,
• 1:37:40
  Corey Moore Johnny will Burger Carl Bradley Martin Luther.
• 1:37:46
  Listen you can That right there and then but I will.
• 1:37:51
  But just to give some perspective, I want again, some
• 1:37:57
  West Virginia and back in the late 90s when I play, they were
• 1:38:00
  built like us. And they had, they had some
• 1:38:04
  studs, they had some great defensive lineman, the names
• 1:38:08
  Escape me now. Sometimes my memory does this
• 1:38:10
  not for, like, in mind. Okay.
• 1:38:12
  But I don't have CT anything but it's just you getting old, but
• 1:38:18
  They had Gary Steals and they had a guy named Thornton at West
• 1:38:21
  Virginia, and they were animals. Gary Stills, and Thornton
• 1:38:24
  Thornton was a defensive tackle. He actually just broadcasting
• 1:38:27
  for the Big East Network. I don't know if they even still
• 1:38:30
  do that now. But he was an animal in West
• 1:38:34
  Virginia where they were so physical, like it was like a
• 1:38:37
  chisel full quarters of battle, then of course you want to throw
• 1:38:43
  in Chris Hogan at Boston College.
• 1:38:46
  He was tough. I said, man.
• 1:38:51
  Dwight Freeney. No, thank God.
• 1:38:54
  I thank God my longtime team. I mean my longtime brother might
• 1:39:01
  email Anthony Lambo had that distinct honor given up the six
• 1:39:06
  sacks that year my at the Orange Bowl, Dwight Freeney was an
• 1:39:09
  animal. I will say this, it's the
• 1:39:13
  toughest deal on other than Virginia Tech.
• 1:39:15
  I mean, I say because I'm the few players that toughest d-line
• 1:39:18
  And I went against their Rivals Virginia Tech, but you protect
• 1:39:23
  still has the advantage who, you know, you heard who I name, but
• 1:39:26
  was the 97 care, the 97 UNC team in the Gator Bowl led by Mack
• 1:39:32
  Brown. They beat the beep out of.
• 1:39:35
  I mean, they just, they should have been in that bowl game.
• 1:39:38
  We were banged up. We were seven and four finished
• 1:39:40
  second in the Big East, 5 and 2 in conference play.
• 1:39:44
  But our best players were in the stands or done.
• 1:39:46
  Al Clark, didn't finish the game Knicks.
• 1:39:48
  Orson got MVP at a bowl game for us and he was an emergency
• 1:39:53
  quarterback for us now, Clark Was Heard, Dave Myers Was Heard
• 1:39:58
  chiron's didn't play. Ricky Hall, didn't play.
• 1:40:00
  And Andre Davis didn't play, but they had every needs a cube on
• 1:40:05
  Vani holiday, my Greg Ellis, and I remember I got called for
• 1:40:11
  holding that game late in the game.
• 1:40:15
  And I remember, just like, just there's a picture of me.
• 1:40:18
  Me I'll post it. You know, it's probably miss
• 1:40:20
  throwback but I'll post it again back when I had hair and they
• 1:40:23
  had to ruin, no times caught me on the bench.
• 1:40:25
  Will look we're already lost the game 42 3 but it's still time
• 1:40:30
  and I got my head facepalm, I'm leaning over just you know my
• 1:40:34
  Lima gloves on rubbing my face. You know it's 3:45 in
• 1:40:39
  Jacksonville Florida p.m. and it's overcast and I'm just
• 1:40:43
  thinking about I can't wait to get back to Blacksburg or
• 1:40:46
  Roanoke or whatever. And then the quote underneath me
• 1:40:50
  looking like I just competed in a Hunger Game, there will be
• 1:40:54
  played him 60 times. He would lose all 60.
• 1:40:57
  So it looks like I said that mess but I was they have my
• 1:41:02
  picture but he says it Carolina Carolina had draped down that
• 1:41:07
  team karolina should not, they Carolina couldn't be Florida
• 1:41:10
  state that year and they were I'm forgetting guys.
• 1:41:14
  They have that team. I mentioned Ray blah but they
• 1:41:16
  were, we were seven and four. They were ten in one, and their
• 1:41:20
  only loss was to Florida State that's when Florida state had
• 1:41:23
  coals and Bobby Bowden and Peter, Warrick and floor
• 1:41:29
  statements, the BCS bowl that year and, you know, the way the
• 1:41:31
  bullet liner was back in North Carolina wants to the Gator
• 1:41:34
  Bowl, that's how I was. And we were overmatched, but I
• 1:41:38
  will say this funny story, I'm giving you some scoop beaver in
• 1:41:42
  the locker room. The guy.
• 1:41:43
  L forget man. We just wanted to go home.
• 1:41:45
  We were done, we would defeat. It morale was just low because
• 1:41:48
  we just got in stomped on NBC and the Gator Bowl and Beamer
• 1:41:54
  came in. Grabbed the stool from
• 1:41:56
  somebody's locking he's, I want everyone to hear me and hear me
• 1:41:59
  now I'm paraphrasing but he said, everyone has been put on
• 1:42:03
  notice everybody's position including coaches.
• 1:42:06
  Everybody is on. Notice if you don't come back
• 1:42:08
  ready to play and ready to compete, you won't be here.
• 1:42:11
  Oh, yeah. Is 1997 97 after.
• 1:42:17
  So in 98, we knew man, you know, in Gentry, I mean, you know, the
• 1:42:20
  offseason was tough, you know. And, you know, and they were
• 1:42:24
  some guys ironically, that transferred be my point.
• 1:42:29
  You see a theme here. So again, everyone's not built
• 1:42:33
  like that. There was some guys are
• 1:42:34
  transferred, not because they wanted more playing time, they
• 1:42:37
  weren't built for it. It is what it is.
• 1:42:40
  But yeah, man don't Those defenses.
• 1:42:44
  But you know what's funny though?
• 1:42:45
  Man is when you go against Corey Moore and Cornell Brown and JC
• 1:42:51
  price, and Waverly Jackson, and jimbaran and Lawrence, Lewis and
• 1:42:56
  Hank, Coleman and called Bradley and Nate Williams and Chad
• 1:43:01
  Beasley and David few when you get in the game is on Saturday
• 1:43:05
  or Thursday night, you're not worried man.
• 1:43:08
  I just hope one time that people say when did you know you were
• 1:43:12
  going to read? Sure, you know you were high
• 1:43:14
  profile play out of Hampton High.
• 1:43:16
  I said, when I had to line up in front of Cornell Brown, I called
• 1:43:22
  my dad and my mom later on that night.
• 1:43:24
  Say yeah, I'm going to take this red shirt, you can we don't
• 1:43:26
  mention it this year, I'm going grabs, the rum gone go and put
• 1:43:32
  this red shirt on That's all good.
• 1:43:39
  I was only a year behind them. Cornell.
• 1:43:42
  I mean, Cornell, a lot of people say he flipped the in-state
• 1:43:46
  recruiting for Frank. Let me ask this in and I love
• 1:43:50
  kind of phrases to, right way because in when we were coming
• 1:43:54
  up Miami and UVA the rivalry games, when those games were
• 1:43:57
  played, it was a big deal. It was, I mean, when you got
• 1:44:02
  there 94 to roughly probably 06-07, it was games were Wars
• 1:44:07
  and me and Brian been talking. Like, do you feel that way Other
• 1:44:11
  Miami or UVA or maybe a semblance of both like those
• 1:44:14
  rivalry games, get back to where they were 20 years ago, where he
• 1:44:20
  like you mentioned the Miami game.
• 1:44:21
  When it's a night game, both teams are in the top 10 or to
• 1:44:25
  Commonwealth Cup game. When you know like 95 when that
• 1:44:31
  happened when you know, both teams have 10 wins and both
• 1:44:36
  teams are trying to get you to Sugar Bowl and both teams ranked
• 1:44:39
  in the top 15. What do you Is more important
• 1:44:42
  that helps Elevate packed programme.
• 1:44:44
  Is it both? Or do you have a preference?
• 1:44:47
  Well, let me just add this real quick.
• 1:44:50
  You forgot to mention West Virginia because West Virginia
• 1:44:53
  was also up at net and you can make an argument as that you can
• 1:44:57
  make the argument to West Virginia, Virginia Tech robbery
• 1:45:00
  during the 90s and the early 2000s before Tech jump to the
• 1:45:03
  ACC and 04, probably better games and more important than
• 1:45:07
  the Virginia Tech UVA robbery but during my era, Era to your
• 1:45:12
  point, the UVA Virginia Tech robbery was epic and the Miami
• 1:45:16
  robbery with tech for years was epic.
• 1:45:19
  It was it was Bloodshed, it was, you know, Braveheart near the
• 1:45:22
  end of the movie. It was real and it is my
• 1:45:27
  preference. I would like oh this is going to
• 1:45:31
  make some people mad. I like it when taking you via
• 1:45:35
  both good because I grew up in that and it's good for the kids,
• 1:45:39
  great for the Commonwealth. People look at me funny on
• 1:45:42
  camera. When I celebrate UVA not that
• 1:45:45
  they are celebrating wins but I'm like hey that's a good one.
• 1:45:48
  That's good for us. I mean it's it's just better,
• 1:45:53
  you know. Jonathan McLaughlin was like Hey
• 1:45:55
  everybody post your comment with, you know, drinking out the
• 1:45:58
  cup and I sell I lost my last two years you were here and he
• 1:46:02
  couldn't even fathom that and I said, hey man, they were really
• 1:46:06
  good. Y'all beat some UV.
• 1:46:07
  A team that couldn't be Centerville High School on the
• 1:46:09
  road, okay? So you don't calm down, joking
• 1:46:14
  me, you know, because my UVA battles, we were going against,
• 1:46:18
  you know, Dingo and Patrick Carney and Wally Rainer and the
• 1:46:22
  farrier brothers. And you know, some studs.
• 1:46:25
  Aaron Brooks, you know, UVA was ranked 15th, we ranked, 18th and
• 1:46:30
  vice versa. It wasn't what you see now.
• 1:46:34
  So if you have both programs Beamer said it best in George
• 1:46:39
  Wells, co-signed it is enough Talent.
• 1:46:41
  Stay for both teams, to get it and win, but both teams are not
• 1:46:45
  getting especially to be fair UVA.
• 1:46:48
  You know, UVA is the one that's falling short, the last 16 17
• 1:46:52
  years, not Tech and grow, and I know tech fans are going to
• 1:46:56
  smirk when I say this. I think grow got to out-of-state
• 1:47:00
  happy during his day. He got coach two years and he
• 1:47:02
  just kept going up to New York, New Jersey Pennsylvania because
• 1:47:06
  he was a New York Jet coach. He didn't really look Holly upon
• 1:47:09
  Virginia talent and I think That came back to bite them because
• 1:47:13
  Tech was full of Commonwealth guys.
• 1:47:15
  So I think you got to get guys in state.
• 1:47:17
  I think Miami and Tech will always have that rivalry because
• 1:47:21
  of what we did during my era, and it's funny too, because
• 1:47:26
  Miami has a lot of coaching Carousel within their program,
• 1:47:29
  and nobody lives off, mystique and manufacture height, and
• 1:47:33
  history lessons more than the Hurricanes of Miami between
• 1:47:37
  Michael Irvin and Warren Sapp. We get more history lessons
• 1:47:40
  about the You, but less productivity on the field.
• 1:47:43
  So it doesn't match up. It's more.
• 1:47:45
  So let me look at this 3430. So I can get what you're talking
• 1:47:47
  about because you guys are the king of underachieving, you
• 1:47:52
  know? So the reality is, as I mean, is
• 1:47:55
  constantly going to be a robbery or Tech because they're two
• 1:47:58
  Biggie's foes and they gave you great.
• 1:48:01
  I mean, if you, if you still have the ESPN classic channel to
• 1:48:06
  this day, I get, hey, you're on or even ESPNU, they always show
• 1:48:10
  tons of Tech UV. I mean, Miami rivalry games from
• 1:48:14
  the 90s a season. Yeah they do.
• 1:48:19
  Basic network was in those nannies, games act like in the
• 1:48:22
  summer last year. Yeah, and obviously, yeah, yeah.
• 1:48:28
  But the UVA one, you need UVA to get better or like to push Tech
• 1:48:34
  but at the same time it's a fine line.
• 1:48:37
  You don't want them to become better because it can hurt you.
• 1:48:39
  So it's kind of How you VA helped us get into the ACC, you
• 1:48:44
  know, you kind of want both programs there.
• 1:48:48
  So I'm a Virginian, you know, I I love the Richmond area.
• 1:48:53
  I love Southwest Virginia, I love Northern Virginia and I
• 1:48:56
  love obviously my home 757 and I like you know I mean look you
• 1:49:03
  guys fought. We follow each other on Twitter
• 1:49:05
  at the end of the day, look how great that you VA Virginia Tech.
• 1:49:10
  Basketball rivalry is Right now, and how it's been the last five
• 1:49:14
  years with buzz and Bennett. And now young and bidded who
• 1:49:19
  love and respect each other and look what they're doing for both
• 1:49:22
  programs and it's great, basketball and damn, right?
• 1:49:26
  It looks good. Seeing you be in Tech, the top
• 1:49:28
  of the ACC I like that. I want.
• 1:49:31
  What? Carolina-duke have?
• 1:49:32
  I'm tired of it. Why would, why can't we have
• 1:49:35
  that for the coastal? You know?
• 1:49:38
  I mean, yy-you can't be afraid of competition, you know?
• 1:49:43
  I mean, it's cool to brag about the streak and look at the
• 1:49:47
  little means and Mike, London, crying, what did Jordan face and
• 1:49:51
  I am. Okay.
• 1:49:52
  Yeah, it's fun. But you really you really are
• 1:49:55
  you really bragging. You know, when you have a
• 1:49:59
  Midfield altercation between 25 and 16s and microbrew has leader
• 1:50:04
  come back to Bucky Hodges, I was in the stadium.
• 1:50:07
  Of the great win. But I left after the, you know,
• 1:50:10
  the Smoke Clears and you happy you beat your rival for the
• 1:50:12
  whatever. Team time is 6 is 6.
• 1:50:15
  Yep. If I was seven.
• 1:50:17
  So what are you really happy about?
• 1:50:19
  It's embarrassing. It's not.
• 1:50:21
  So he should brag about because everyone outside of Virginia
• 1:50:24
  doesn't give a damn, you know, and that's what people need to
• 1:50:27
  remind himself of you want to be part of something bigger than
• 1:50:31
  just the conference game. You know I'm saying II?
• 1:50:35
  And I'm not I don't have Alabama, Clemson out.
• 1:50:37
  Alabama Auburn fatigue. I just I have I have fatigue
• 1:50:41
  when it comes to being irrelevant like, you know, when
• 1:50:44
  you wake up after a great win on Sunday morning and you're eating
• 1:50:48
  your breakfast and you you getting your fantasy lineup,
• 1:50:52
  shredding you like okay, okay, let me turn into these
• 1:50:54
  highlights, what they gonna say about this Tech UVA game on
• 1:50:57
  College, you know, game night. They just show the score, you
• 1:51:01
  know, buddy. Nobody cares.
• 1:51:02
  Yeah, nobody cares. They play the game.
• 1:51:04
  Here's the final score. Yeah, they're low and Other New
• 1:51:08
  Virginia Tech holds on be UVA. They'll go to the Bowl game that
• 1:51:12
  comes on Comcast, on December 1935, you know, I mean, what
• 1:51:17
  happens, you know, I don't, and I'm not mocking my program, I
• 1:51:20
  just think sometimes we need a reality, check, what we once had
• 1:51:24
  and what we need to get back to and Beyond and, you know, the
• 1:51:28
  answer your question again, I just think if it's my choice is
• 1:51:31
  Virginia Tech UVA. Although they what you want, but
• 1:51:36
  when you consistently beat Miami, Me like we've done and
• 1:51:38
  we've done it before the brand of Miami is still relevant when
• 1:51:42
  you beat Miami. Still turns heads.
• 1:51:44
  Yeah, you know like we did last was it last year?
• 1:51:49
  Oh yeah. When we ask that Duke de barco
• 1:51:53
  and and then came down on my Miami game and they beat him you
• 1:51:57
  know, or that year when she Corey Harris and Kirk Herbstreit
• 1:52:01
  declared that you as back and tie rod and Jared Boykins beat
• 1:52:05
  him, 31 27, you know, when the rain game Smackdown in the rain
• 1:52:08
  and Lain under that game follow but to you doing in my house,
• 1:52:13
  got a question but I'm going to make it to your point of the
• 1:52:16
  Miami game. We had just gotten curb-stomped
• 1:52:19
  by Duke. I was still the 330 ABC game
• 1:52:24
  that year we were or two and two just lost by 42 a bad dude team.
• 1:52:30
  But that game when the next game and I think you're right, and
• 1:52:34
  I'm with you, you won't, you VA Tech to be good but I think you
• 1:52:37
  agree. Right.
• 1:52:38
  Yeah, I'm right there with you. I think when UVA is good the
• 1:52:41
  program's push each other. Yes I think that's what kind of
• 1:52:45
  came out when when you were building the program at Virginia
• 1:52:48
  Tech in the 90s. And I feel like that is kind of
• 1:52:51
  what helped Propel Virginia Tech to what it became and what it
• 1:52:55
  was throughout the 2000s. And I feel like UVA being down
• 1:52:59
  and then some of the other things that have changed on the
• 1:53:02
  national recruiting front, you know, we just we're not where we
• 1:53:05
  were and I feel like getting some of that back getting Some
• 1:53:07
  of that competing for the same, you know, top 10 players in the
• 1:53:11
  state every year, not getting that back would be good.
• 1:53:16
  You know what I sold? Mike Vick on coming to Tech.
• 1:53:19
  I said, imagine if you go to Tech and Ronald Kray goes to UVA
• 1:53:22
  and arrival, you guys had in high school continues.
• 1:53:25
  Oh, and he loved loved. He loved that notion.
• 1:53:28
  Of course. We all know, Ronald went to UNC
• 1:53:30
  because of their basketball and football program.
• 1:53:33
  Yep. Like a Mic Mac on in Dean Smith
• 1:53:35
  left but you know what, also, to you A point UVA ultimately
• 1:53:41
  indirectly because of their inconsistency with grow in
• 1:53:45
  London and the streak and them started losing it Duke.
• 1:53:49
  You know, when Duke was still inferior before, you know, they
• 1:53:51
  really got, you know, pretty good program.
• 1:53:54
  It resulted in Virginia Tech becoming complacent.
• 1:53:58
  Because you your instinct robbery is almost a guaranteed
• 1:54:02
  win and you're still losing recruits, but you lose them to
• 1:54:06
  Ohio State but you're getting pretty much you still getting
• 1:54:10
  David Wilson, Logan, Thomas and Tyrod Taylor, so you're okay.
• 1:54:15
  And then, you know, it didn't really push you, it didn't?
• 1:54:19
  Because because again, Beamer had to get guys like myself, and
• 1:54:23
  kid knocks, and gone, and Toni Morrison.
• 1:54:25
  And all those guys that come in, Because you VA had George Wells
• 1:54:30
  and it was, my UVA was winning eleven games.
• 1:54:32
  Only have one ten win season in the history of their program but
• 1:54:36
  at the end of the day they were winning in the ACC and they held
• 1:54:39
  it over Jean takes here because the Big East was always looked
• 1:54:42
  upon as a very good conference but it wasn't named CeCe with
• 1:54:45
  their tradition, their passage free, so they had to leg up.
• 1:54:48
  So Virginia Tech have to work twice as hard to become relevant
• 1:54:52
  and be respected. So I stand by what I say.
• 1:54:55
  It goes hand-in-hand man. You gotta you.
• 1:54:57
  You got to push each other hits the you know we need you to be
• 1:55:02
  great like you know you know Skywalker Invader you gotta have
• 1:55:08
  that enemy. You got to have the Yankees and
• 1:55:10
  Red Sox. Get over here like matters.
• 1:55:13
  Yeah you got some you got to have that, you know.
• 1:55:16
  Yeah. You know.
• 1:55:18
  So we're going to close out with one last question.
• 1:55:20
  This one kind of be a fun one. So everybody was hype on the
• 1:55:25
  Twitter timeline. I'm sure you saw it.
• 1:55:28
  Double a football game coming back.
• 1:55:29
  Probably next couple years. What is something that hasn't
• 1:55:35
  been in that game? If you played it recently that
• 1:55:38
  they need to put back in that game, be put in the game now
• 1:55:40
  whether it's like changes to recruiting or the transfer
• 1:55:44
  portal or whatever it may be, either, they have like with 2K
• 1:55:48
  has that my career. I don't know if they have it but
• 1:55:52
  like, you know, if you play 2K, you do you go to practice?
• 1:55:56
  You sign a contract, you Atta, girl, you got shoes, it gives it
• 1:56:00
  some personality, you know, you can always create a player, but
• 1:56:04
  like the Recruitment and different things like that or or
• 1:56:09
  and or if I couldn't have that I would actually this gets kind of
• 1:56:13
  kind of, you know, Funk funky because you know, it gets into
• 1:56:16
  amateurism but like I would have like, you know, legendary high
• 1:56:21
  school programs, like my high school and there maybe Oscar
• 1:56:24
  Smith like or like high schools you know where you know You had
• 1:56:28
  a, you know, high school teams that you have been it, where you
• 1:56:33
  play, and then you recruit off that or, you know, the legendary
• 1:56:38
  teams the classics. I know.
• 1:56:40
  One thing I used to love that game.
• 1:56:43
  Gosh, I'll probably almost filled out one semester messing
• 1:56:46
  around with that game. But I love that game because I
• 1:56:53
  remember when I got older, and I was in my 20s, I was living up
• 1:56:56
  here in Northern Virginia, man, and they Had the classic teams
• 1:57:00
  the 98 Tech Team when 99 team, and I like that as well.
• 1:57:04
  So I hope they keep that but I know I don't really give you a
• 1:57:07
  concrete answer because I'm actually thinking as I answer it
• 1:57:10
  because I'm sure after we wrap up, I'm probably going to tweet
• 1:57:14
  something at least you had this, you know, but it's great to his
• 1:57:19
  back that game masking guys, almost fight over their game
• 1:57:23
  and, you know, just we used to I, you know, I love that game.
• 1:57:28
  Oh, no, love man. And I am bolo, Man 2.
• 1:57:31
  Yeah, but I'm playing especially like when I was younger.
• 1:57:34
  I was Lee had been around less would like seven or eight years
• 1:57:38
  but like, I always played a whole lot more NCAA that I
• 1:57:42
  played men, I played Madden. If I wanted to play like with a
• 1:57:44
  friend, if I was just, you know, picking it up for myself.
• 1:57:47
  I always picked up NCAA. We live in Collegiate sweets,
• 1:57:50
  man. And Shane bhima gets pissed when
• 1:57:52
  I told that story, but I used to bust his ass and I used to go
• 1:57:56
  upstairs. He lived above me, huh?
• 1:57:57
  Him, Chris, Cyrus, Ken handy, and Tim snacker, and I lived on
• 1:58:03
  the bottom apartment complex. Same complex, bottom, first
• 1:58:06
  floor. And I love Shane's.
• 1:58:08
  My brother and I'm so happy for him.
• 1:58:10
  I really am. Derek Smith was my roommate,
• 1:58:14
  Damon watlington, who was a basketball player was also, one
• 1:58:17
  of my roommates and we had the four bedroom and I used to go
• 1:58:20
  upstairs and me and Shane used to have some battles.
• 1:58:24
  And Shane is very competitive, like, me.
• 1:58:27
  And one time, they The control and he was like, get out.
• 1:58:38
  Yeah, man. You know, I just, you know,
• 1:58:39
  that's when that back when I had a friend called free time, but I
• 1:58:42
  ain't seen free time in years, man.
• 1:58:44
  So but no it was great times man, but I don't really have a
• 1:58:50
  concrete answer for you, man, cuz that game is just wonderful.
• 1:58:54
  I mean, you could, there's probably gonna be some surprises
• 1:58:57
  even in this revolution, in within the game because it was
• 1:59:00
  so popular. And there's so much has changed
• 1:59:03
  since then went away. So it probably would have the
• 1:59:06
  transfer portal in it and all the, I don't know.
• 1:59:10
  Funny, I brought that up, but yeah, it'll be cool to see what
• 1:59:13
  surprise they have. I do like the classic teams if
• 1:59:17
  anything. If I could pick one.
• 1:59:19
  Maybe just to kind of Full Circle.
• 1:59:22
  I would probably reintroduce those classic teams because
• 1:59:25
  that's the Nostalgia about college football, everything's
• 1:59:28
  gets better as the years go by. So like, Remember the u.s. 18
• 1:59:34
  USC? USC teams, Reggie Bush, you
• 1:59:36
  know, their folklore and abilities become better or the
• 1:59:40
  99 Tech Team, you know, now, instead, Michael Vick, you know,
• 1:59:43
  he actually he threw a touchdown pass with his arm, tied behind
• 1:59:47
  his back in the end zone. You know, it's just rumors and
• 1:59:52
  the exaggeration gets bigger and they become more iconic.
• 1:59:56
  And I think that's why that game was so popular and you had fans
• 2:00:00
  and their music. Okay, and it's funny too because
• 2:00:04
  we would be like yo, I'm using this team using tenancy lot
• 2:00:08
  somebody. You know, I'm running the option
• 2:00:09
  with Team Art. I mean, it was crazy because
• 2:00:11
  that was my team. It was Tennessee, was so weird.
• 2:00:13
  I don't even know why I picked them.
• 2:00:15
  I never played with tech that much man, and we used to get
• 2:00:18
  mad. It's funny.
• 2:00:19
  Bringing some. Now you got me going.
• 2:00:20
  I got to shut up, but we used to get mad because the first thing
• 2:00:25
  you do like the NFL guys, you would go in and see what they
• 2:00:27
  got me rated. I'll be like oh let me see what
• 2:00:29
  I'm saying. What they got me rated.
• 2:00:31
  I was like I-79 this is bull, you know, you know you know we
• 2:00:37
  would just go crazy just what we were rated, you know, like who
• 2:00:41
  they watching who had us, you know.
• 2:00:43
  But it was really cool because I'm old enough to tell you about
• 2:00:46
  Sega. And when it used to be done it
• 2:00:49
  wasn't even. You could even use a team.
• 2:00:51
  They just caught like they had Sega when the in-situ a first
• 2:00:55
  came out, they had they had the name, only had a select amount
• 2:00:59
  of teams and it was Talan. I see it was, it was the name of
• 2:01:03
  the city that college town they were in and Virginia Tech was in
• 2:01:08
  on it. This was the early 90s.
• 2:01:10
  We were like, okay, we gotta win and then they came out and they
• 2:01:13
  had or more teams. And I remember seeing that
• 2:01:16
  Virginia Tech on that screen, it was so cool being part of that,
• 2:01:21
  you know, but That's really cool man that nostalgic.
• 2:01:25
  But a lot of fun tonight man I appreciate you guys for having
• 2:01:27
  me on this has been great Dwight.
• 2:01:30
  This has been an absolute pleasure man and we hope to have
• 2:01:34
  you back in the near future to talk more because I feel like
• 2:01:37
  between just what we've talked about here tonight, we have
• 2:01:40
  barely scratched the surface of content to talked with you about
• 2:01:45
  again, we thank you for taking your time this evening because
• 2:01:48
  we're going on two hours. It doesn't feel like two hours
• 2:01:52
  at all feel like, Go another two without blinking.
• 2:01:55
  So we thank you tonight, man. Yeah man, thank you and Shawn to
• 2:02:00
  your listeners, and your supporters, your podcast, and I
• 2:02:04
  appreciate the platform and I hope people get some ideas and
• 2:02:08
  like, I apologize man, but I you guys both have been great for
• 2:02:12
  me. I love talking and is I just
• 2:02:14
  like great conversation. I don't want to get to the point
• 2:02:17
  where I, I'm no better than you too.
• 2:02:19
  I'm a humble person. We're All in This Together
• 2:02:21
  trying to live life, the best we can Can enjoy our favorite
• 2:02:23
  program and I like talking to fans on Twitter because I learn
• 2:02:27
  something every day and it's good to remember this and
• 2:02:30
  reflect on my career, but also hopefully one day when I get
• 2:02:34
  back on sooner than later, we can talk about a big win over
• 2:02:37
  West Virginia or comeback win over whoever, but I'm looking
• 2:02:41
  forward to getting back on your show one day.
• 2:02:42
  I'll support you any way I can. And again, thank you both really
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  appreciate you joining. Thanks so much for joining.
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  It's been fun. And I can't wait to have you
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  And that's going to wrap up this.
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  This episode of The Boundary Corner podcast.
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