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Identity, Guilt & Giggles: Creative Mom Life with Sigi Ravet · Mommywood

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Mom, welcome back to Mommy Wood, the podcast where we dive into
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the wild, beautiful and sometimes completely crazy world
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of being both a mom and a performer.
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I am your host Emily and if you've ever found yourself
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running on coffee, passion and the sheer willpower of a sleep
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deprived parent, then you are in the right place.
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On this episode of Mommy Would I have the pleasure of talking
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with Ziggy Rabbit? She is an actor, writer and mom
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of two who is as funny as she is honest about the wild ride of
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motherhood. Make sure that you check out her
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content on Instagram. She is so funny.
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She has great boy mom content and we love it.
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We love to see it. We talk about on this episode
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what it's really like to go from one kid to two kids.
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Spoiler it's both easier and harder.
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Which isn't that motherhood? We also talk about how every
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pregnancy and every child comes with totally different
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experience and why maternal instinct isn't always what
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people make it out to be. Is it even a thing at all?
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Another spoiler, No, it is not. Ziggy opens up about the
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struggle to hold onto her own identity while raising kids.
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She also talks about the guilt that comes with being a working
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mom, especially in a creative field, and how scary it can be,
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but also how rewarding it can be to step back into the workplace
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after becoming a mom. Plus, we talk about how those
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little everyday moments with your kids are really what end up
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meaning the most, which of course, it's always so fun to
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just like talk about the joy of our kids with each other.
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I think we need a little bit more of that.
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So please enjoy. I know you will, this real funny
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and very relatable episode of Mommy Wood with Siggy Rabbit.
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Siggy. Yeah.
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I'm so excited to talk to you too, boy, Mom, two boys.
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Boys. Oh my goodness.
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My sister has two boys. Yeah.
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So I'm like. You're a boy, Mom, You're a boy.
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Aunt. A boy?
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Auntie. Yeah, I have a girl.
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But, well, you could still be an honorary member.
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Thank you. The girl moms, come at us.
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Thank you. Yeah, so you have.
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Shiloh is almost 4. He's 4.
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Now he's 4. It just happened.
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Oh my God, it just happened. Yeah, this week.
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Exciting. Thank you.
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How old is yours? She'll be 3 on the 16th.
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This month, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, we're getting there. And then Raleigh.
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Is 1 1/2 one and a half? Oh.
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My gosh, so you are like in it in it is is Shiloh in school or
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no? Oh, he is How so?
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I'm just going straight into it. How was it going from 1:00 to
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2:00? It in some ways easier, but in
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many ways harder. Just like the answer to
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everything. It I had more of an identity
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crisis when I became a mom, when I went from zero to 1, I was
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like, wait, wait, this isn't what my, this isn't what my life
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is like. Why am I in a playpen right now?
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Like I don't even know what I'm doing.
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What's my purpose? I had much more of that.
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Not that I don't, We don't always have that as actors, but
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I had that. And then with Raleigh, I felt
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more like, how do I balance to what's this overwhelm this like
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scheduling thing? Time was more a thing.
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I put him in daycare much sooner.
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Oh, OK. So that helps a lot.
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But of course, that comes with its own set of guilt.
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And, you know, I didn't do this for my foot.
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Yeah, money, of course. But I didn't do this for my
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first. I gave my first more What?
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So I really had to grapple with, you know, they don't get
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identical things, but they get equal things.
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They're just not the same because they have a different
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mom now. Yeah, isn't that that's
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interesting because yeah, the first time you're like, I'm all
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of a sudden a mom, and the second time you're like, well,
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I'm already a mom, right? But now I'm.
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Double and I had a little bit of like, let's get on with this
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part. Like I know this part is hard.
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Let's just move this first year along.
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I'm not what you call a baby mom.
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Like I'm not like, Oh my God, he's crawling and not saying
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anything and he's very needy. This is so fun.
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Not to say that most people are, but I think people find it so
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cute that they're kind of over it that like the difficult part.
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But for me, I'm like, let's get on with this.
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Let's get the sleep. Let's start to walk.
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Let's start to talk. Tell me what you want.
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Use your words. Isn't.
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It so much easier. And now he's talking and he's
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not talking fully. Obviously he's 18 months, but
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I'm even just a little communication is I actually feel
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like I can breathe now, like I can.
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I know what you want. I know what you need for the
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most part and it's not as helpless of a feeling.
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Yeah, I, I babysat for a friend. I watched their baby when they
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were like 6 months or something and I was like, Oh well, what do
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I do? What do I do?
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I was like this is obviously it is not easy when you are the
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parent but I was like. Babies.
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And this was before you were a mom.
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No, no, no. You were a mom.
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This was, yeah, this was like a few, like very recently,
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probably about six months ago. But I was like, and what do I do
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with you now? I was like, I feel bad.
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You're just like laying on the floor.
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Like, do you want to you need stimulation, right?
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I was like, I mean, we kept doing stuff, but I was like, my
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daughter was already like 2 1/2 and I was like, she's doing so
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much. And I was like this seems.
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Easy in a lot. Of ways, but then I.
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Was like, oh, well, I'm not someone else's kid exactly.
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Like I've definitely done that for my neighbor's kid and
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watched her baby. And it's like, well, you could
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just lie here and it's fine because you're kind of easy
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compared to this. But when you have them, I think
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your bar overnight, that's a big one during the sleep hours.
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I also think your bar that that Oh, and my older is getting so
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much more. You're getting that kind of
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shifts because you're like, well, you will get that because
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I know where this is going. So when you're 3, you're 4,
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you'll get those same kind of, you know, there's less pressure
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on where this is going because I already know, I already did it
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once. Have you found that your second
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that Raleigh's like doing more earlier like because he wants
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to? He he's like, anyone notice me?
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Mother? Look at me.
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I'm doing what Shiloh is doing. Look, mom, I'm walking.
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It was like 11 months. We were like, what?
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Why are you already walking? He's like, let me just get this
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because we you all want this part.
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Yeah, but at least me. He's like, let's let's do the
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things that will make all of this easier for everyone.
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But he's totally imitating. And playing with his.
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Brother. Yeah, he it's his biggest hero.
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I mean, he's obsessed with him. How are they 'cause they're not?
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I feel like what that's about 3. 2 1/2, Yeah. 2 1/2.
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So and I'm two and a I'm two years from my sister and I'm
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curious how that is like do they play together yet?
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Do they fight together like. Are you the younger or the
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older? I'm the younger.
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I'm the youngest. I have an older sister and an
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older brother baby. OK, so you get yeah, very late.
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It's I'm really witnessing A dynamic happened pretty quickly
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where Shiloh can kind of be possessive over his stuff.
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And like, this is mine. You kind of entered my turf.
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This is this was me mine 1st. And I see that like Raleigh is
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starting to stand up for himself.
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But there's a level of Raleigh will also give everything to
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Shiloh because he's like, please love me, please play with me
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like. And so he's like handing him his
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own. He'll take a toy from Shiloh.
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Shiloh will be upset. And I'm like, give it 10
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seconds. You know, he's going to give up.
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And then like clockwork, while he would be like, all right,
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here you go. Because I want you to just I see
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you're upset that I took this and I'm going to give it back to
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you. So it is a little bit like you
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enter their world, you know, But Raleigh is much more like chat,
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chatty, talkative, loud than I thought he was going to be.
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I've, I've heard some second kids are like this.
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And I've also heard some kind of like, you forget they're even in
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the room because they just kind of like mold and they are
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flexible. So they just adapt to whatever
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it is. I was like, no, we don't forget.
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We, we we know you're here. You're very vocal.
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Yeah, we're all aware. Are how were your different?
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How were your pregnancies? Were they and like birth and
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baby like was everything totally different?
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Are they like totally different babies or were some things were
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they? Physically, the pregnancies
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were, I can say identical. Physically, I don't even like I
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gained the exact same amount at the exact same time.
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I guess I had slightly with Shiloh the first time.
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I was kind of eating like a college kid the 1st 12 weeks and
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for some reason I lost my appetite more with Raleigh.
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But I physically the symptoms were the same, emotionally were
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completely different. The first time I was 1 you have,
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I mean a kid. 1 you have a kid. So the level of exhaustion is
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also exponential. I cared a lot less about like
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the rules. I mean, I wasn't, you know, I
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was still conscious. But with the, you know, with the
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first one, I was like, I can't eat that, can't touch that.
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What is this cheese? Is it pasteurized?
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It's like friends would be like everything in America is
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Pasteur. And I'd be like, I don't know,
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it doesn't say it, but probably I was like eating.
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And they were like, you know, you're eating Brie.
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You're not supposed to have Brie.
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And I'm like, I think it's fine. Just like that was totally.
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You know, people smoked when they were right.
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We have a different bar now. Exactly.
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So I think it was more of, you know, I was more, oh, it's going
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to be fine. I had a little more of I know
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where this goes, which of course is a blessing.
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And like, I guess I took that feeling for granted because it
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doesn't work out. People have really difficult
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laborers, births, all the things.
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So I took that for granted a bit.
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And then I also had, I was, I was had some expectations of
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like, I'd have a girl next. That's just like what I
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envisioned. So I had to grapple with, oh, I
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didn't like for some reason foresee that it would be a boy,
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even though it's 5050. I was like, wait, one of each,
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yeah, isn't that what people do? So isn't that what 5050?
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That's what it means, right? So that assumption, I just had
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to be like, OK, where did that come from?
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What? How do I work through this?
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And then they're in you and they're not out in the world.
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They're just a concept. You have no connection in a
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sense. So I think I just knew like that
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whole first year is going to be hard.
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It's going to take a bit to get that connection.
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The love is there, but the connection takes a bit, for me
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at least. Yeah.
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Well, yeah. I mean well.
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And thank you for saying that because I feel like so many,
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most of what we see is women saying I instantly my life
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changed. I mean, obviously yes, your life
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does change, but like. After the bat nurse.
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Instantly I was in love and instantly like I, you know, I, I
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saw recently somebody talking about the, the idea, the concept
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of maternal instinct and that it's completely made-up and
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there's no scientific really backing that maternal instinct
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is. A thing.
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And it was. It was.
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Created apparently I I should Fact Check myself but but this
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the woman I got saw it from is a very.
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She seemed lived it. Prominent one, but I'll share it
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somewhere. But she was saying it was
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created by men, that by a man, the idea of maternal instinct.
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And I was like, that's insane because we feel so bad if we
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don't necessarily like the guilt of like, no one should be like,
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no one should feel bad if they don't want kids for sure.
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Because you should definitely want them if you're right.
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Right. But then it's like, But then if
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you don't have that instant connection, it's like.
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You shouldn't feel bad about that either.
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There's so many different ways to connect with your child, and
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it might be and. It might be a slow build, and it
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probably will be. I think that instinct of I'm
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keeping this thing alive was definitely there.
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But I had rage. I was like, I hate this.
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I was like gritting my teeth through things.
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I was losing it. I had zero patients.
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I was exhausted. I mean, but that lovely.
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Yeah. It's really crazy.
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They do this thing where they wake up every hour.
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They want to eat and I I so rude.
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They really are just, they're so needy.
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And there's something about that, like helplessness, that
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yeah, it's not so rewarding as as a mom, they're not.
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Saying thank you, yes. There's no, there's not a lot of
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value. They're kind of like a doll that
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you know, you're keeping alive. And I knew this is going
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somewhere because I have this other kid that now I know this
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is going somewhere. We'll we'll have this
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relationship. So I think I was able to take
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that pressure off, but I felt it a lot while I was pregnant.
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Any feelings of like the gender thing, I felt a lot of shame,
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like, well, then what is this, you know, that's such a taboo
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thing or that it seems like I'm not grateful that I have this
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healthy pregnancy. And I was, I was, there was a
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lot of self judgement. But then anytime I talked about
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it or talked about any of these more complicated feelings about
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being a mom or a kid in general, I felt just people coming out of
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the woodwork and being like, Oh, my God, me too.
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Yeah. It's hard to say, but thanks for
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saying that. Or, you know, this is really not
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so fun. Yeah, because there's so much of
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that dumb mom guilt that like, yeah, I'm sure also a man
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created probably how I don't. Know we can't prove it, but we
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have a strong feeling. There's no dad guilt, that's not
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a thing. But yeah, all of those feelings
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that are so valid and just like not talked about as.
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Much. Right.
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Exactly. Exactly.
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Yeah, I think. But now they're a little bit out
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of the baby. Stage out of the he's out of the
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baby stage and the first year I did this mom and me class and I
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just kind of spoke my mind with Raleigh, with Shiloh, I think I
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was more like, what's everyone thinking?
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What's the room? Is everyone loving this or where
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are we at? With Raleigh?
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I was like, I I don't like this, like what are we doing?
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How do we get past this part or like, let's just vent Like I was
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very much that kind of mom and the people that connected
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directed to that. We're like, let's be friends
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because this is and it's a lot of second time moms too, who
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are, you know, it's a little more just not boring the second
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time. But like we've been through this
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part, you know, of, of how to keep him alive or that you're
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not, you don't have the same fears.
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So there's deeper things that come up, I think.
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I feel like it those mommy and me classes can be so hard
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because you're like, OK, somebody has to be the one to be
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the you in the group and like say what everybody's thinking so
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we can suss out which. People which people we want to
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do in this class Yeah, totally. And I actually the first sketch
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that I came back into like let me do sketches because I kind of
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was on and off and just with that whole purpose.
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What's my purpose? So I one of the first sketch I
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kind of got me re inspired with post Raleigh was about mom and
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me because I was like this is so everybody's like talking what do
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you do when it gets too hot? OK, we could buy a baby a fan
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and I was like, can we just vent about our husbands and like that
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and then it was like she kept coming.
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This character keeps coming back to like, well, it's just vent
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about our husband. And they're like, so we put
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socks on the baby and she's like the husbands, so can we please?
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Yeah. Can we just like go back to the
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therapy part? That's so funny.
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Well, Speaking of your content, OK, your bio is actor, comedian,
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mom, in that order. With a with a funny face.
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Emoji. I feel like I should love it
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though. But I mean, yes, also like, OK,
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not saying like, of course our children will always come first
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in in most situations. But yeah, I don't think becoming
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a mom takes precedence. Yeah, that was exactly over
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being an actor and a comedian. Like, there's still parts of who
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you are. It's not like, oh, I'm a mom.
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This period. That's my whole thing.
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And then actor and comedian can be like in there somewhere,
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right? It's like no there can be like 3
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full full. Parts that are necessary and are
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fundamental parts of our identity.
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Yeah. And I, I almost feel like I have
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to overcome. I think I almost put them in
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front like, haha, just kidding. But also I'm not kidding at all
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because there is that feeling of like, shoot, am I just a mom
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now? And what is this other part of
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my life? And.
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And that again with that guilt and you know, they do take
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precedence and priority, of course, and they forever change
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you. And once you're a mom, you're a
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mom. But I think just that those
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other I'm a better mom when I'm reminded of my other purpose and
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my, you know, my deep purpose in this world of why am I an
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entertainer? Why am I in this industry?
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What is what am I seeking? What am I trying to achieve?
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And you know, the days that I'm doing that, I find myself being
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a better mom. And it's totally, I have
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actually no judgement for people that are purely, I just want to
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be a mom right now or I just want to be a mom forever.
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I just, I want to be a mom and I'll figure it out later.
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I actually sometimes envy it because I'm like, that's kind of
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clear and simple. Not that motherhood is simple,
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but it's clear. Whereas I feel like I'm
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grappling a lot, like, OK, what's the choice?
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What do I prioritize? Am I now someone's always
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losing? Yeah, right.
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You know. Yeah, no, I do.
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Yeah. I feel that way about people
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that are like, I don't want kids.
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And I'm like, oh, I mean, great. That's great.
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That's clear. So much easier.
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I mean, you know, but yes, it's like when you know what you want
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to do. But then I.
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Yeah. It's it's I think when you like
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we wanted to be moms. So we're moms.
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I don't know how long you wanted to be one for.
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I it wasn't something I dreamt about my whole life.
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Amen. You too.
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Because the artistry. Because I think that just is.
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That's the thing we were maybe dreaming about.
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Yeah. But if you know, you don't.
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I do what I do see those couples sometimes.
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I get it compared to Alison Bree.
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I see that. And and she they're not having
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kids and they've been very vocal about it.
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Yeah. And I'm like, I get that.
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I I totally get that. You can completely pursue this.
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She's also successful. So I get it.
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You know, I'm like, I. That's fair.
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You're leaning into this. It's also interesting when some
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somebody, when I see that somebody has the means for
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whatever they could want. I'm like specifically why don't
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you want children or why don't like this could be so not easy
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for you, but like yes, but like. You can have help you have.
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And of course, yeah, don't have. Again, no judgement.
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If you don't want kids, don't have kids.
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Totally cool, but I but I'm just so nosy.
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Oh, I totally get the nosiness. And I do think part of me is
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like judging that like, why wouldn't you want them?
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But like the reward ultimately is obviously so great.
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So even I think they're hearing a lot of the like, oh, all the
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parents just like talk bad about it.
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Like everyone's always benching and bitching and like, but I'm
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like, no, but like we talk about it so that we feel better.
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But there's like this whole other amazing life, powerful
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relationship that you're missing out on.
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Well, I was saying to Alicia, who was just on the podcast,
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that it's easier to explain the, the like, the venting part.
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It's easier to explain being tired and being a mess and all
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of these things. It's there's no words.
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It's hard to explain the like deep where you're like, when my
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kid smiles, I want to die in the best way and it's like I don't.
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Know how to explain that and another mom knows it and to say
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it. I think we also, we also maybe
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go above and beyond to say the bad for people who don't have
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them because we're like, yeah, it's like this is I feel what
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moms do a lot. It's like, it's awful.
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Like, I don't want you to feel bad that you're missing this.
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Even if they don't like. I think that's our own
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projection in some way that we are like, let's just keep
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talking. And also for many years, I think
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everyone was just kind of being, you know, repressed about, like
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you said, those mommy and me type of thing.
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Like everyone's like, it is so or like the maternal instinct,
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it is so great. You just look at them and you
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bond. And I think women now are like
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word vomiting, like, wait, it's really hard.
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And it's, I hate this. And this is really tough because
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we weren't allowed to maybe say it for so many generations.
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We're kind of like taking it on generationally even, you know?
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Finally getting out of. The test, getting it off our
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chest and. I'm gonna OK now.
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Is your husband also in the industry?
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He's a filmmaker, he's a director primarily.
22:30
He's also a writer, but he's pursuing a lot of different
22:34
things right now. Like he's an entrepreneur,
22:36
business guy. Yes, he's an emotional AI like
22:41
tech startup. He's doing a lot of very cool
22:44
things. That's.
22:45
Fun. He's a man of many talents.
22:48
OK, so you said that you didn't always like dream of having kids
22:54
necessarily. What made you guys decide to if
22:59
you tried or how long you were trying if you.
23:02
I think we knew like when we met, like, OK, we both want a
23:05
family. This is, you know, we're on the
23:06
same page about this. And then 2020 was supposed to be
23:10
our like, we're going to travel the world and we're going to
23:12
really focus on our careers, which is funny, how.
23:15
Did that work out for? You Yeah, it it didn't.
23:19
So like in July it got something.
23:22
We were like, OK, so we were going to make like create things
23:25
this year. We were going to travel.
23:26
We're like, OK, so let's maybe we'll create a different
23:28
project. Literally July we're like, I
23:31
don't think this is ending anytime soon.
23:34
Maybe this is the time like let's flip our priorities, which
23:37
is kind of funny to think about now because we weren't loaded in
23:41
time, but I think we just had this idea like first year of
23:43
marriage, like we'll just see the world and we'll just really
23:47
got like focus on our career. But we're like, let's flip it,
23:50
Which of course doesn't work because like once you have the
23:52
kids, you have the kids, you can't like, well, next year I'll
23:55
focus on the care. It's like, no, now he's 1.
23:57
You can't. He's not going away.
23:59
He's here for a while, hopefully forever.
24:02
So yeah. So in hindsight, it makes sense
24:07
that we, when we wanted multiple children that like that was
24:10
obviously the time to start, you know?
24:13
Did you OK, so wanting multiple because I I'm one and maybe
24:19
done. I don't know.
24:21
I feel like I'm sorry, listeners.
24:23
I know that I just like keep talking about it, but I'm sorry
24:28
I'm. Well, like you said, when you
24:29
see those people and you're like, I get that, I get that.
24:33
I actually do get that. But I don't, I don't know.
24:36
So did you. I feel like most people that
24:41
I've talked to that have multiple just knew that they
24:47
wanted more than one. Did you know that you wanted?
24:50
I knew because siblings really shaped my identity, my
24:55
childhood, you know, sometimes for worse, sometimes for better.
24:59
But that companionship, that growing up with someone, I think
25:03
was so pivotal, pivotal to my childhood.
25:05
We also moved a lot growing up. I was so I was really attached
25:09
to my siblings and that concept and like where I fell in the
25:12
family was, you know, a big part of my narrative again, for
25:15
better and worse. Sometimes I've like a lot that
25:17
I've worked through in process since, but I saw I really felt
25:22
that and I really felt that sibling thing was very important
25:25
to me. I didn't have a like I need two
25:28
sisters or I need this or I need a boy and then two girl.
25:31
I didn't have that. As I said, I had the assumption
25:33
that I would at least have one girl and probably one boy.
25:36
Like I think that did happen for me, but the sibling was kind of
25:42
a no brainer. So I think it was more like when
25:44
are we when are we deciding to become parents?
25:47
Once we decide now we're in it. But again with Raleigh, we were
25:51
also going to start earlier. And then I booked a show and I
25:56
got 3 episodes and I was like, wait, let maybe it's good.
25:59
I can, I finally feel like I'm out of baby land.
26:01
I can refocus on career and I'm finally like, I just, I feel
26:05
like myself again. And then the strike was coming
26:09
and we were like, oh, you got some.
26:12
Signs. I got some signs like this is
26:15
the time and I I'm like, I think it was March that we started
26:19
getting signals like, OK, strike is coming.
26:21
And I think we were. I was like, I think we should
26:23
start the process because I have such FOMO about the industry.
26:27
Like I don't want to miss anything.
26:29
Yeah, even to start something so important for my wife.
26:32
Yeah. Did you work though while you
26:34
were pregnant? I worked so Shiloh was pandemic.
26:38
I did work when I was like, there was some things and I
26:41
worked. I filmed call your mother when I
26:44
was three months pregnant, which is funny because at the time
26:47
they, they cast you and then like that you did a COVID test
26:50
like 3 weeks later and then you shot, you shot like, oh,
26:52
another. So 4 weeks have passed, I think
26:54
from booking to to being on set and costume was like, OK, she
26:57
totally lied about her sizes. And I didn't want to share
27:01
because again, I had this fear of like, Oh, I, I know they're
27:04
not legally allowed to fire you, but I was like, I don't know.
27:06
This is like, I don't want to risk anything.
27:08
I'm finally on set. It's the pandemic.
27:10
I just don't know. Would they be scared to have a
27:12
pregnant person on set? So I, I was just like, oh, I
27:16
guess like not as small as like, but I could see their faces, all
27:20
the clothes they had me try on the first round.
27:22
They were like, yeah, so this one doesn't button like you
27:24
totally are showing at like 1314 weeks.
27:27
But I but I had told them at like 10 weeks when I wasn't
27:30
really yet so that, you know, I worked then and I did a sketch
27:34
for what are they called Smile, some YouTube channel that that's
27:39
doing really well. They had me come be a pregnant
27:41
person in their sketch and that. Oh, nice.
27:43
That was really fun. And like a full pregnant.
27:46
They wanted a full pregnant sketch.
27:47
Yeah, that was kind of it for my pregnancy work.
27:50
And did you? Tell your reps that I was
27:54
pregnant. Yeah.
27:54
And how did that go? I did.
27:56
I shared pretty quickly. My manager and I are closed.
27:59
We're friends. So I shared pretty quickly with
28:01
her both times. And then my agents, I think I
28:06
shared relatively quickly with them as well.
28:09
I took pregnancy pictures commercially because I was like,
28:12
Get Me Out there, but that didn't manifest.
28:16
And then with Raleigh, the strike, I mean, there really was
28:18
nothing. There was like pandemic was
28:20
there was more work than the strike, so.
28:23
So when you were like just starting to kind of like get
28:30
yourself yourself back ish after Shiloh, how was it?
28:40
Because I do feel like it's it's hard to like to go back and have
28:45
another one. So how was that transition for
28:49
you? I guess like you said with the
28:52
the the strike helps. On the career wise, like the
28:57
career front. But yeah, so personally, then
29:00
how did that going back to like, OK, I'm gonna be doing all this
29:05
again, Especially like, you know, it's gonna be like the
29:10
babyface for a little while, which isn't your fave.
29:14
Yeah. Exactly.
29:16
It was really hard actually. Yeah, I still don't.
29:20
And I obviously no one regrets a kid.
29:22
I still while we were pregnant and I was grappling with those
29:25
things. I was still like, I wasn't
29:27
questioning should we not have done this?
29:30
I was grappling with other things about the pregnancy, but
29:34
I but I was like, we wanted siblings and I like I come from
29:38
three. Like in my head I was always
29:40
going to have three, which by the way, the door is not shut
29:43
completely here. So which is probably sounds
29:46
psychotic because I'm very like I'm a masochist.
29:48
I'm like, well, either like 1 or like a million, like either it's
29:51
like all terrible and hard or like, let's just choose the
29:53
easier round. A little bit of an extremist,
29:57
but I didn't regret like I think I that was part of the grappling
30:01
the while I was pregnant, not just, oh, it's a boy.
30:04
What this is not what I thought. Also like, oh God, I'm going
30:07
back to that. And I remember my postpartum
30:11
period was really hard and I remember this amount of time.
30:14
So I think that was a huge, huge part of it is the knowing.
30:18
So like I said, some things are harder because you know it's
30:21
going to be hard and some things are easier because I also was
30:23
like, but I know when that phase is over, I am going to love it.
30:28
Not to say it's like Peaches and roses or whatever the expression
30:31
is with Shiloh. Like it's not like everything's
30:33
so easy, but we're so connected. I'm like, I, I mean, I'm, I so I
30:40
love the relationship. I love the dynamic, IE it's,
30:44
it's just, there's nothing like it, which you know, because
30:46
you're a mom. So I knew that I was going to
30:48
also get there. I was more like, let's get
30:50
there. So it was the hard, it was
30:52
harder, and it was easier because I knew I'd come out of
30:54
it too. Yeah, that's true.
30:56
OK, Well, then I have to ask, since you have to, and you're
31:00
living in LA. Are you in an apartment?
31:03
We are. We're in a condo, OK.
31:06
How many rooms? There's 3 rooms I'm.
31:08
So knows. 3 bedrooms please. You don't have to answer.
31:11
I will answer anything, I really think I will.
31:13
OK, so 3 bedrooms OK, so that's where I'm at where I'm like I.
31:16
Need another bedroom do you have?
31:17
Two, I have two which I'm grateful for 2/2 bed, 2 bath.
31:24
But yeah, the idea of having another one in this space makes.
31:30
I totally, yeah, get that the first year.
31:34
Are they sharing? They're sharing now.
31:36
So the first few months, so we put one room was my acting room,
31:40
1 room was my husbands like office and then we had our
31:44
bedroom. Then of course the kid was
31:45
coming Shiloh. We were like, oh, one of these
31:47
rooms has to go. Obviously it's going to be the
31:49
acting room. I still clung on till like the I
31:53
think it was like the 8th month. I was like, OK, the self tape
31:56
wall has to get covered by the crib.
31:58
Like I was really grappling. Like do I need to put animal
32:01
stickers up? My friends were like, you need
32:02
to put the animal stickers out. This baby is actually coming.
32:06
And I was like, yeah, but like my acting books can stay and
32:08
they're like the acting books have to go.
32:10
You need the baby books. Like, I held on for dear life
32:13
and of course now I'm like, well, dad, it's a kids room.
32:15
Yeah. Brandon held on to his office
32:18
because he was working from home and really needed an office.
32:21
So the baby was in our room. Yeah, exactly.
32:24
Priorities. The baby was in our room the
32:25
first four, no more even like seven months, I feel like.
32:28
But I was like, we need a sleep train.
32:30
So we then we moved him to the office to sleep train Raleigh.
32:34
And then I think we tried a couple times putting him in the
32:36
same room and it was just too early.
32:38
So kept him in the office literally in a pack and play.
32:41
Yeah. So he didn't have work, has this
32:44
like amazing room and Raley's like in a pack and play in the
32:46
office. But we're like, it's the second
32:47
kid, I'm a third. Who even knows what happened?
32:50
Like it's all good. He's gonna be adaptable.
32:53
Exactly. And then when he really knew how
32:55
to sleep and it was time, we moved them to the same room and
32:58
it was like one week of overload excitement.
33:01
Like they were both just chatting and talking through the
33:04
night. I mean, obviously Raleigh wasn't
33:05
really talking yet, but. That's so cute.
33:07
It was so cute were. You just like.
33:09
Watching, we were watching on the monitor like this is so
33:11
annoying, but it's so adorable. We're like, it's like it's 3 P
33:15
like AM you need to go to sleep. But this is so cute.
33:18
It wouldn't be that bad. It would be like 10:00 PM, but
33:20
we're like, OK, same thing. Shilo's getting laughed and he's
33:23
so excited. Yeah, exactly.
33:25
Exactly. Yeah, that's interesting because
33:28
even I think I would have, I'm like, oh, I would have a girl
33:33
too. I'm, I'm with you where I was
33:34
like, if I had another one, it would be a girl.
33:36
Which is fascinating because you already have the girl.
33:38
Yeah, but I only have sisters. So I see we just like, imagine
33:43
what we, what we grew up with. Yeah, Yeah.
33:46
But I'm like, well then they would definitely share a room.
33:50
I shared a room with my sister, but I would still need that
33:53
third room. Yes, for and.
33:55
You're a working person and you need a space, and it makes
33:59
complete sense. But you were in the three
34:01
bedroom. Before.
34:02
We had any. Before we had any, we got our
34:05
puppy during the pandemic and then moved to our.
34:09
Bigger place, so you have a puppy too?
34:11
Well she's now 5 cuz well so many years ago but she's like
34:15
she's still my baby. Half of me, part of me is like
34:18
people with dogs. I'm like, that seems harder than
34:22
I could. I'm like, I have to walk you
34:26
like as if I don't walk with my child, but you know what I mean?
34:31
I'm like, no, you, I. Have to I?
34:33
Have to bring you outside. I have to.
34:37
I'm always gonna pick up your poop. 100% you also will pick up
34:42
your child's Yeah, you'll change her diaper.
34:44
She's on the potty, but. That's true.
34:46
That's true. It's a different thing, Yeah.
34:49
It's a different level of commitment.
34:51
Yeah. It's a it's.
34:53
I don't think I could love a dog like that.
34:56
Oh, I shouldn't say that out loud.
34:58
You can say it out loud. Well, yes, that may be edit out,
35:01
but we did get the dog first, which I think made a difference
35:05
because she was like, that's when we were like, oh, we really
35:08
could be parents because the love we have for this dog is so
35:11
palpable. We could do this with kids.
35:13
Did you do the whole like what was the transition with the dog,
35:18
with the baby? She I mean, I'm like picturing
35:21
myself. I literally was like in labor on
35:23
the floor, like in like cat pose or whatever.
35:27
And she's like bringing me the ball to toss and we're like read
35:30
the room like someone else is going to be joining.
35:33
This is not. I'm like screaming and crying
35:35
and she's like, mom, the ball, the ball.
35:37
Can you, can you like toss that for me?
35:39
Did you have a home? No, I did not.
35:41
Oh, you were just, but I wasn't. Yes, I did not the first time
35:45
because I was like, when do we? When do we go?
35:46
I was just a little bit more did not realize like I was like
35:49
we're going, we're going before this even starts.
35:51
But I she so we didn't I think we brought a piece of thing like
35:57
from the hospital. I think we had my mother-in-law
35:59
bring one home for her to smell. It didn't really matter with
36:03
Raleigh, we did none of that. She like licks their faces.
36:06
They have like a love hate Shiloh.
36:08
She it like scares her. I mean it's like those movies
36:10
where like the toddler looks giant and the little dogs like
36:13
because my dog's 5 lbs. So she's like actually
36:16
terrifying, but she advocates for herself.
36:18
She's very, she's also very loud.
36:20
It's very loud. There's your.
36:21
Girl, there you go. You had the girl first.
36:24
I did have the Curry curse. That's what my mom said.
36:27
That's so funny. Yeah.
36:29
OK, so you were in a play though in 23 and like?
36:36
What was I here that? Happy birthday.
36:39
Michael yes, so funny. Was that like because they were
36:44
both here by then, right? Wait, I can't do.
36:48
Math. No, just Shiloh.
36:50
Wait. 20 yes, because it was the beginning of 23 and Raleigh was
36:54
born at the end of 23, so I did have Shiloh.
36:58
How was that? Was it like a?
37:01
It was a it wasn't that one was not because they called me to
37:06
for a recast. So actually I missed the first
37:09
like third of rehearsals and they're like, we actually loved
37:12
your audition funny story, but you were a little bit the wrong
37:15
age for both, like too old for one, too young for the other.
37:18
So but we think we can still make it work.
37:20
So it double cast me and another girl to be to replace that
37:25
actress. So we also shared the rehearsals
37:29
together. So she would rehearse and then I
37:31
would rehearse. She was doing the first half of
37:32
the run and I did the second-half of the run.
37:34
A very unusual situation. And the way it happened, I was
37:38
just like halfway into the to the run already for the
37:42
rehearsal run. So it wasn't tons of hours away
37:45
from the house. And Shyla was already a bit, I
37:48
mean, it wasn't old when he was older.
37:50
It wasn't a baby spot between. There was a sweet spot.
37:53
I do think since then I had I had did a fringe play after
37:57
that, but I haven't done a show since I have auditioned and I
38:01
got a call back for one that was in Long Beach and it it required
38:05
a conversation with my husband. Like we sat and we were like,
38:08
OK. Yeah, Long Beach is not.
38:09
Close. It's not close.
38:10
And like how would we realistically do this?
38:13
And you know, so I think I have become more, I don't even want
38:18
to say picky because like who's like, I don't think anything.
38:20
But also, yeah, yeah, more exactly.
38:22
Conscious of it's not as easy. What's worth the time, the
38:26
money. Yeah.
38:27
You know, ATV is like a no brainer no matter what.
38:30
I think in a commercial very often too.
38:32
But something like a play, it's like that's hours and hours of
38:35
work and tech and isn't. Even going to cover the gas
38:38
it's. Most likely you're going to lose
38:40
money, so it has to be really worthwhile overall.
38:42
Do you so your husband it seems like mostly works from from
38:46
home? Yeah, and works from home.
38:48
So do you guys, do you guys have help or do you just kind of like
38:52
tag team? Well, I guess you're kind of man
38:54
on man at this point, but do you just tactic?
38:57
Where are your kids now? Where are they?
39:02
They are well, funny enough actually.
39:03
So Raleigh's at daycare still. He's starting preschool next
39:07
year. So daycare has been obviously
39:09
beyond helpful. And it goes till 5.
39:12
So again, the mom guilt. But I was like, well, if I was
39:14
on set, I wouldn't even feel guilty for a second because I'd
39:17
be like, well, I have to go to work.
39:18
So why can't I bring that same attitude of like trying to get
39:21
on set? That's the same pursuit.
39:24
Shiloh actually had his last day of school yesterday, but he's on
39:27
a play date without mommy right now.
39:30
So this is a really big day. Wow.
39:31
I know a friend from school, They took him.
39:33
I was like, I can't go, I can't do a play date.
39:35
And she's like, I'll take him. So I'm hoping it's going well
39:39
and I wouldn't know otherwise. Is this his first play date
39:42
without? You without me?
39:44
Oh. My God.
39:45
And you're you're. Doing great.
39:47
Thank you. And you're not?
39:48
Staring at your phone? No.
39:49
My phone's across the room. Wow, he's great And and
39:52
obviously Brandon is on call. I know her.
39:56
Yes, I know, I know. I just watched the show.
39:59
Was that you just met her? What was that show Lost Girl
40:01
like just now? Just just watched it, but of
40:04
course I already forgot the name.
40:06
But it's based on the play date, a book.
40:08
It's on Hulu and they literally like a stolen girl.
40:11
The child is stolen. Oh shit, that was.
40:14
Nuts I showed I'm just like checked that out before I yeah
40:18
why am I watching that but no the massacre.
40:21
Exactly, exactly. See, we have a good arrangement.
40:25
I mean, I'm, I, you know, I think moms often become the
40:27
primary parent, especially since I'm not the primary, you know,
40:31
bringing in the money, going to work every day.
40:34
Like he has a full time job. So that's a very, that's obvious
40:37
right then. But we did have conversations
40:39
initially, like if you're on set full time and I'm doing this
40:42
whole time, we will need to get actual help for pickup and
40:45
stuff, but we'll have that a lot.
40:47
Like, can you, can I go shoot this?
40:49
Sometimes it's Gray area, like can I go shoot the sketch?
40:51
And he's great. He'll go pick up the slack,
40:53
he'll pick up a child, he'll do baths.
40:55
Like he's great. He's very involved and he loves
40:57
time with the kids. And because he's home, if he
41:00
hears us all laughing and having a great time, like he can't help
41:03
himself, he'll also come down as dads do, you know, and they're
41:06
like, we want daddy to stay. And I'm like, shouldn't have
41:09
shown your face. Yeah.
41:12
But I think if things shifted and I was, I think there's some
41:14
things that are just clear. Like a day on said.
41:16
It's like, well, this is what I have to do.
41:18
And either you have to help me make this work or we have to
41:21
hire someone because we don't have family right here in town.
41:24
So, but yeah, it's those middle things of like, you know, the
41:28
shooting things for yourself or that kind of thing that I feel
41:31
are they're tougher sometimes, like what is really just for you
41:35
and what is part of your business and you know.
41:38
Do you? So your husband works full time?
41:43
Do you? Do you work enough, do book
41:50
enough where you or do you have a?
41:52
You're like, how do you make money?
41:54
Or do you have a like a day job? Yeah, I was tutoring for bar and
41:59
bat mitzvahs and officiating that.
42:01
So which I still have a few students.
42:04
I'm much more, again, I don't want to say picky, but I'm much
42:08
more like I don't just take on anyone.
42:10
I used to work for a company and I'm just on my own when someone
42:12
asks or usually just referral. I'm not marketing it.
42:16
It's people hear of me from another apartment and I love, I
42:19
love a lot about it. I love the officiating.
42:21
I love being a part of their big day.
42:23
I love just the build up to it and I don't and I like working
42:26
with kids. I feel like tweens are kind of
42:29
my sweet spot. Like to be girls especially.
42:31
I'm like, yeah, I get you. I kind of like, I think I am you
42:34
because I still see myself as a teen each girl a lot of the time
42:37
too. Oh my God, tangent though, the
42:41
the the sketcher reel that you posted about the Teen Mom where
42:48
I'm like, that is me literally where I'm like, it's Can you
42:52
believe I have? 3 year olds, they're like, no,
42:56
we can, we can, we can. In fact, I can't believe she's
42:58
so young. Why isn't she older?
43:01
That's so funny. Time is frozen.
43:04
But to us, I mean, you do look young.
43:06
We do look young, but I don't think it's as young as I think.
43:08
In my head I'm like. You know.
43:10
The teens and I are like the same I.
43:13
Feel so young and I always, I ask people and I have to figure
43:17
out a better way to phrase this, but I feel like if you
43:20
understand, you'll understand where I'm like, don't you feel
43:23
at some point you're going to be like the same, You think your
43:26
kids going to be the same age as you?
43:29
Oh yeah, because we stop and they keep going.
43:32
Because I was like, I feel like we're.
43:33
Because even right now, like, right, because every day you
43:36
can't really clock their growth. Yeah.
43:38
And then when you look at pictures, there's much bigger.
43:39
But you're like. But I stayed the same.
43:40
Yeah, we're like, well, you're gonna.
43:43
I feel like I'm still a teenager.
43:46
Maybe. Maybe I cap out around 20.
43:49
Yeah, yeah. But I'm like, so eventually
43:53
she'll be 22. And you'll just be that's.
43:55
Fine, very confused. And you'll just share clothes?
43:59
Yeah, I totally feel that. I feel that.
44:03
And we are aging, but we are aging very slowly.
44:08
Yeah, we look very yes. We're beautiful, I know.
44:12
So that's my main funny side hustle, if you will.
44:17
I mean, I have had other random things over the years.
44:20
I've never went all in on a different.
44:23
I've considered different businesses.
44:25
Like I officiated my friend's wedding recently and it was so
44:27
great. And then everyone's like, you
44:29
should start an officiating company or you should.
44:31
I think my resistance to starting another company is I
44:35
already have a startup. Like acting feels like a
44:37
startup. Yeah.
44:38
It is. It's your own.
44:39
Business, yes, it's your business.
44:40
So like multiple businesses is like where does the time go?
44:43
Where does the money go? Yeah.
44:46
Well, it's hard enough to invest just in yourself as an actor
44:50
where it's like, OK, I have to pay this much for headshots.
44:53
Am I going to bug anything from it?
44:54
Like, is that coming back? Exactly.
44:56
It's all one giant investment. High risk.
45:00
Putting money into like an actual business that you might
45:03
not care as much about, right? Or probably don't care.
45:07
As much about yeah, it feels a lot harder.
45:09
Like I love writing speeches. I like for friends, I love
45:12
performing those and I love officiating, but that kind of
45:16
effort and energy into something else, I mean, I'm doing more of
45:18
that. It's a voice over, but that's
45:20
like the same umbrella as acting.
45:21
You know, that's also a lot of work and.
45:25
Yeah, well, Speaking of your, all your, your content, which is
45:29
so funny. How do you, like, keep up that
45:34
energy and keep like keep at it? I mean content and acting just
45:40
in general? I think I don't.
45:43
I've got. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
45:44
So that's it. No, I've I, it's hard.
45:49
I, it was hard for me to get into it and then it was hard for
45:52
me to see value in it when things weren't doing well.
45:55
Like if it's not getting a lot of views, it's like, why am I
45:58
doing this again? So I feel like one thing that
45:59
has helped because now some of like they are getting views, but
46:03
they don't all get equal amounts and they don't all equally go
46:05
viral. And I think I continue to tap
46:07
back into why am I doing this? So that one didn't explode, but
46:11
I got to create something that I think is really funny or
46:15
meaningful or will mean something to someone or is my
46:18
control like I'm acting? And I wrote that and here's what
46:22
I can control in the industry. And there I am putting it out
46:25
for the world to see. And so I think tapping into the
46:28
purpose piece of it really, really helps because otherwise
46:32
you're again refreshing the way I refresh emails, like did my
46:35
manager send it yet? Did I get a call back?
46:38
Is the way I was refreshing Instagram, like how many views
46:41
now how many, how many shares? And then it's that same thing of
46:44
like, oh, it went viral. Now I feel good about myself.
46:47
Same as a booking like no, so I know that that is like that kind
46:51
of external validation is, is an emotional rollercoaster and
46:55
you'll crash and burn. So just reconnecting to like, I
46:59
don't really, I'm disconnecting from how this does and I'm I'm
47:02
going to just really try to remember why I'm putting this
47:05
out there. Same as now an audition, like
47:07
I'm going to do this, but I may not book it.
47:09
I probably won't because we usually don't.
47:11
I feel like your psychology background probably it helps
47:14
happen with with that side of it.
47:17
Probably, you know, like years of therapy.
47:19
Yeah, it's all good. Exactly.
47:22
Like, did my major in college help?
47:24
I mean, you know, the psychologists in my family.
47:27
And so I think, you know, Broadberry therapy, my family's
47:30
very therapy or into my husband and Ivory therapy oriented.
47:32
So I think it's great all that just I can be, I can clock,
47:36
okay, Right now I'm refreshing this over and over again and I
47:40
see that this is like I'm tapping into the wrong thing.
47:43
You know the results and you can't be result oriented, or I
47:47
mean, you'll just have a really sad pursuit.
47:51
With all art. All art, all art.
47:54
And it's already hard enough and so just seeking that you know,
47:57
validation or results and like if you didn't book it, it didn't
48:00
matter is just not helpful. Yeah.
48:04
Is there anything you would tell a an actor who's thinking of
48:10
starting a family, but they're like it's I don't know if it's
48:14
the right time or I'm scared. My career.
48:17
Yeah. Won't do anything.
48:19
Is there any? Funny you say that because I've
48:20
had a few. I had, I was one of few actor
48:24
moms in my specific place in life of like I knew actor moms
48:29
that were like already series regulars and stuff like that.
48:31
And I knew actor moms that were not at all in the business, but
48:34
I didn't have a lot of friends like me that were my age, my
48:39
married and I have younger actor friends, but that are really
48:42
like in the same place. And I, I did get one recently
48:44
and I had these conversations with her.
48:46
I went to a commercial call back.
48:47
I think I was like 3 weeks postpartum with Raleigh and
48:50
she's like, I can't believe you're here.
48:51
And I was like, I'm still wearing a diaper, but I'm here,
48:54
I'm back, Which of course would maybe not, maybe would have
48:57
happened with Shiloh, but I was just like, let's, let's get it
49:00
on, get on with this and let's like continue throw ourselves
49:03
back in the ring. But I think I would say like,
49:05
there is no right time. There just isn't.
49:07
There's no right time. You're not going to have this
49:09
aha moment. It's not binary and it's not
49:11
going to be like, and now I'm a mom and now I'm an artist.
49:14
It's like they're interlaced and they're not.
49:17
Listen, I would never have thought that like the boy mom
49:20
content would explode the way it did.
49:21
And I'm yeah, my husband and I joke about that.
49:24
Like the thing you were kind of grappling with is like your
49:27
biggest content and so relatable.
49:29
And people are coming in from the woodwork saying they relate.
49:32
So isn't that like it's always it's how it works.
49:35
So I think I've seen people say like, I can't believe I was
49:38
putting this off because I was scared of losing a job.
49:41
And you know, like the saying, like when I, when I left town a
49:46
few years ago, I booked my biggest job and my biggest fear
49:48
was leaving town that I wouldn't book a job.
49:50
And then I literally left without a job, taped abroad and
49:54
came home with the job. So it's like that same thing
49:56
with kids of you're going to get such a bigger thing.
49:59
This is your family. This is probably, this is the
50:01
most important pursuit really, if you want this fam, if you
50:04
want to have that, that relationship and there's so much
50:08
joy and you will be a deeper artist for it and you will be a
50:10
better actor and emotional wounds will open that you didn't
50:13
even know you had. It's so fun.
50:15
It's. So great, but you will be able
50:18
to access things and you're going to be able to do drama and
50:22
you'll just be a more well, like I don't even say well-rounded
50:25
person because non moms are well-rounded, but more you'll
50:28
have more things in your life going on.
50:30
And I think that also, I think he can take the pressure off and
50:34
put it on the career. So I think I would just give a
50:35
very complicated answer, but I would say it will only add to
50:39
your life. It will only add to your
50:40
pursuit. It will only add to your
50:42
artistry at the at the end of the day.
50:44
So just go for it because there's no you.
50:46
You won't regret it. Yeah, I really do believe that.
50:49
Yeah. Well, I I would piggyback on
50:53
that. Yeah, I would Ditto that as
50:55
well. OK, my final question for you,
50:59
what I know, right. I'm like.
51:01
I could talk to you for hours. Keep talking forever.
51:04
What is your lifesaver at the moment?
51:07
What's just getting you through the day?
51:10
Just like having your kids at school.
51:11
A coffee, A water. Like and like.
51:14
A product. Come on, You're saying them all.
51:16
You're saying them all. I'll.
51:19
Stop and keep going, yeah. You, I think you nailed it.
51:23
I mean, I do think what's gotten me out of a bit of a funk post
51:29
to kids of like, what am I doing in the industry is complicated
51:33
right now, right? And I know a lot of artists are
51:35
struggling. I think really this is the time
51:40
like I'm really trying to tap into the creation of like, not
51:45
the things I used to do, like the marketing and the
51:47
networking. I mean, I used to do all that
51:49
and I was really good at and I, I've been burnt out with a lot
51:53
of that. Like a lot of things that I'm
51:54
like, how did I produce that whole play by myself?
51:56
Like how did I, you know, reach out to 10 industry people a week
52:00
and take them? Like I don't have that energy in
52:02
the bandwidth. And I'm there's a little bit of
52:04
that jadedness, which I'm sure you a little bit is funny
52:07
because a lot probably, but I think they're like the core of
52:11
creating. And I went back to class at the
52:14
last year, I went back to an acting class and I went back
52:16
into voiceover. Like, I mean, I was in a master
52:18
or I'm still in a master class with that.
52:20
And I think just back to the basics and the sketch creating
52:23
of, you know, collaborating. It's not even by myself,
52:27
although that's that feels really good to be like I'm using
52:29
my life things to have get people to relate to things and
52:33
empathize with people and like, have people feel seen.
52:36
But then the collaborating with friends or like, you know,
52:38
Sayla, the partner that I collaborated with.
52:41
And just like this means something.
52:43
This is the magic of creating and reaching people.
52:47
And that's it's the reminder of like why we're even here and
52:51
what we're doing with all this, you know?
52:54
Yeah. So it is the coffee also.
52:56
It is the school. And it's also, you know, those
52:58
moments with the kid. I mean, it is, yeah.
53:02
Once again, I feel like I we talked a lot of like the
53:04
difficult stuff, but there is that like I had a really
53:07
beautiful and I'll cap it on this, but since it is mommy
53:10
would mommy comes first is I did hug my son and said like, happy
53:16
birthday, you're an amazing 4 year old and he was like, you're
53:19
an amazing grown up mommy. And I went to sleep that night
53:22
like, OK, like I still want all these other things.
53:26
I would, I want an NBC sitcom, but nothing will be this that
53:31
moment of just like feeling that and seeing that and having that
53:35
connection and knowing I'll have it with, you know, with the
53:38
whole family, with both of them. Yeah, that's so cute.
53:43
I die. I'm.
53:44
Sure, you've had those. You get it.
53:46
Yeah, yeah, I got a. You're a good.
53:49
Mommy isn't that nice and you're like, I don't need the external
53:53
validation, but I really are doing something right.
53:56
Doing something right. You're doing a good job.
53:58
Thank you. So are you.
53:59
Thank you. This is amazing.
54:01
Thank you for being a mom. Thanks for having.
54:04
I thought you said thank you for being a mom.
54:05
I was like anytime but not anytime.
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54:14
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