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6-18-26 Hour 1 - Broncos changed the Dead Money game/Knicks are in Cap trouble/VGK's GM running his mouth · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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Speaker 2: Four times a year, most four times a year.
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Speaker 3: I do this.
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Speaker 2: Four times.
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Speaker 3: Oh, play play suspended. That's why.
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Speaker 2: Oh, okay, that makes a lot more sense. Okay, got you,
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Speaker 2: got you, got you, gotcha. I was gonna say, if
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Speaker 2: I tune in to another major tournament, go to their
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Speaker 2: website to watch the major and they don't show me
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Speaker 2: the Major, I'm upset. But play is suspended. Got you?
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Speaker 2: That makes way more sense? Got it? So the US Open,
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Speaker 2: it does look terrible there by the way, windy, rainy, overcast, terrible.
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Speaker 3: Apparently there's so much fog that people can't see the ball.
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Speaker 2: So well, you can barely see things on through the camera.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's that's the idea, is that it's so
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Speaker 3: bad and you know, you can hit it down the
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Speaker 3: middle of the fairway, but nobody can see where it
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Speaker 3: goes or anything like that. So they decided to suspend play.
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Speaker 2: Okay, we got guys on the t box.
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Speaker 4: Though.
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Speaker 2: It looks like they're resuming play here shortly, all right, good,
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Speaker 2: it looks like. So we'll keep you guys up to
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Speaker 2: date on all of the happenings from the US Open.
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Speaker 2: That is, I don't know somebody's gonna finish it out
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Speaker 2: of plus one and win this thing. I suppose with
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Speaker 2: all the the I watched one shot earlier today, somebody
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Speaker 2: hits the ball pin high rolls off the grain and
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Speaker 2: you're like, oh, okay, that that seems really fun.
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Speaker 3: Mos.
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Speaker 2: I was reading an article yesterday, good haircut, by the way,
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Speaker 2: like that a couple of days ago. Thanks for noticing
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Speaker 2: reading an article written by our boy Jeff Lagwald yesterday.
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Speaker 2: Read that article. You know what's really cool and I
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Speaker 2: mean this with all sincerity when your team messes up.
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Speaker 3: And finds a different way to get out of it.
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Speaker 2: Because I don't think we mentioned this enough and it
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Speaker 2: should be mentioned more. As Sean Payton gets the five
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Speaker 2: year contract extension for being a success, think about where
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Speaker 2: it started. And I spent a good portion of the
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Speaker 2: appetizer in the first segment going through twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 2: Sean Payton's first year he inherits Russell Wilson. If you
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Speaker 2: remember most they start that year one in five including
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Speaker 2: a seventy to twenty loss to Miami. Remember that I do?
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Speaker 3: How could I forget? Then what happened?
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Speaker 2: Five straight wins later, you're six and five in battling
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Speaker 2: for a playoff spot with huge wins over Kansas City,
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Speaker 2: And do you remember the game winning field goal in
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Speaker 2: Buffalo against and you're like, dude, maybe they found something
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Speaker 2: trey to win and loss. Then you go to Detroit
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Speaker 2: you get absolutely walloped forty two to seventeen. Sean Payton's
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Speaker 2: yelling at Russell Wilson on the sideline. The next week
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Speaker 2: is the game, It's the one you gotta have. You're
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Speaker 2: a five hundred football team. If you win this game,
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Speaker 2: you got a really good shot to make the postseason.
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Speaker 2: And the first play of the game against the Patriots,
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Speaker 2: you force a fumble and recover it at this six
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Speaker 2: yard line. Four plays later the Patriots have the ball
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Speaker 2: back and it's zero to zero, and from there on
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Speaker 2: out you lose that game. Russell Wilson's benched the experiments
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Speaker 2: over and everybody thinks of themselves, you can't do it.
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Speaker 2: I thought it. I was like most you can't just
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Speaker 2: cut this, dude and eat eighty five million dollars over
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Speaker 2: two years, you can't. You won't be able to field
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Speaker 2: a competitive roster. And then they made the playoffs for
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Speaker 2: two straight years, including an AFC Championship appearance, And so
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Speaker 2: what does that do? Other teams watched what the Broncos
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Speaker 2: did and said, huh, I just signed to it to
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Speaker 2: a big contract. But the Broncos were fine, I'll cut
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Speaker 2: him or trade him whatever. The Cardinals look at it
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Speaker 2: and they go, the Broncos just did that, Tyler, I'm
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Speaker 2: gonna eat the money. Leave now. Just because the Broncos
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Speaker 2: did it does not mean that these two teams will
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Speaker 2: and I doubt that they will.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I doubt it too. And the circumstances I think
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Speaker 3: have to be right. I mean, the Broncos were able
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Speaker 3: to draft Bo Nicks and get into the postseason two
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Speaker 3: years in a row. Yeah, and they had a defense
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Speaker 3: that they had a defense, let's be honest about it,
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Speaker 3: that save their bacon. Yep, that the previous season. Not
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Speaker 3: this past year, although they did, but the previous year
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Speaker 3: that defense saved their bake in a lot, allow them
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Speaker 3: to get into the postseason, get a taste of playoff football,
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Speaker 3: get smashed. Would you get the idea? It's a to
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Speaker 3: me a rare circumstance. Typically, if you're gonna cut a guy,
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Speaker 3: you have a poor.
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Speaker 2: Football team anyway, and you're just like, we're gonna stink,
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Speaker 2: so let's just really stink.
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Speaker 3: That's correct. Typically, if you're gonna eat that money, you
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Speaker 3: eat it because well, we're having down times anyway, and
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Speaker 3: we might as well eat the bread and rebuild some stuff.
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Speaker 3: And the Broncos, I'm not saying they got fortunate, but
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Speaker 3: they were in a more advantageous position to take advantage
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Speaker 3: of it because of what the defense was.
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Speaker 4: It was.
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Speaker 2: It was a combination of things.
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Speaker 3: And it still is by the way many respects.
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Speaker 2: Yes, luck was certainly a part of that. It certainly was,
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Speaker 2: and I'll get to it in a second. But they
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Speaker 2: had an added U, magic ELIXU. I'll call it something
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Speaker 2: that will cancel out all of the negatives, and it's this.
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Speaker 2: When Sean Payton first got there, he made three gigantic
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Speaker 2: acquisitions from the very jump. They signed Zach Allen, who
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Speaker 2: totally revamped the interior of their defensive line. They signed
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Speaker 2: Ben Powers and Mike mclinchley Mike McGlinchey to fortify their
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Speaker 2: offensive line. And then they find these diamonds like Nick
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Speaker 2: Benito and Jonathan Cooper. Cooper stuff's squirrely now, but that's
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Speaker 2: a seventh round pick who was a guy who was
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Speaker 2: getting the seven eight sacks a year. Correct, you had
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Speaker 2: a defense that was suffocating and you had an offensive
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Speaker 2: line that was one of the best in the league.
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Speaker 2: That's not luck. That's good roster building. If you have
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Speaker 2: a great defense, even with a terrible offense, you are
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Speaker 2: going to be somewhat competitive. You're gonna be and to
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Speaker 2: their credit, they looked around the division because at that time,
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Speaker 2: the Chiefs were still a team that was thrown for
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Speaker 2: five thousand yards and forty touchdowns a year and said,
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Speaker 2: I can't outscore you. I need to be able to
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Speaker 2: stop you. And so they built their team that way,
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Speaker 2: and then when they cut Russell Wilson, here's where the
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Speaker 2: luck comes in. It's not lucky to evaluate a quarterback
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Speaker 2: properly and to see something that maybe other teams don't see.
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Speaker 2: What is lucky is to be in the position in
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Speaker 2: a very odd draft where six guys went in the
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Speaker 2: first was it six quarterbacks in the first eleven picks?
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Speaker 2: Twelve picks?
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Speaker 3: Bonix was twelve.
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Speaker 2: You're fortunate that it just happened to be that draft
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Speaker 2: that year. That's where you're fortunate.
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Speaker 3: But I quarter a quarterback ritual, quarterback laden draft.
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Speaker 2: Where all of these guys go and at twelve you're like,
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Speaker 2: I are we even going to have a piece to
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Speaker 2: pick by that time? But now you look back, moj
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Speaker 2: the winningest quarterback through two years in that entire draft
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Speaker 2: class where the last guy drafted in the first round
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Speaker 2: was Bo Nicks.
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Speaker 5: Bon Nicks.
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Speaker 3: Okay, if bo Nicks goes too to Washington and Jaden
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Speaker 3: Daniels comes, here's a different Is he leading Washington to
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Speaker 3: the NFC title game in year one? No?
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Speaker 2: Okay, but but but but oddly enough, I don't know
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Speaker 2: if the Broncos are as good if they have Jayden Daniels.
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Speaker 2: I think Jaden Daniels has every argument that he's a
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Speaker 2: better quarterback. Well, I think he has every argument that
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Speaker 2: he's a better quarterback than Bo Nicks right now, considering
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Speaker 2: if he didn't get hurt. What does that look like?
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Speaker 2: But making the AFC Championship game and winning fourteen games
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Speaker 2: in the season motion is really hard. Yeah, I completely agree.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if Jaden Daniels walks in and does
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Speaker 2: the same thing. Bo Nicks did hear two? I don't
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Speaker 2: know agreed, maybe he does. I have no idea.
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Speaker 3: I completely agree.
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Speaker 2: I just I wonder where, you know, where, where would
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Speaker 2: guys be if.
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Speaker 3: You flip the script. If Drake may was a Denver Bronco,
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Speaker 3: I think the pendix thing with his bad knees from
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Speaker 3: the get go was kind of weird. That was my opinion.
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Speaker 3: You'll probably be in the same position as well. I
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Speaker 3: don't know where you'd be. But with JJ McCarthy, he
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Speaker 3: wouldn't have done what Bonnicks did. I promise you that
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Speaker 3: the guys already wearing out his welcome in Minnesota.
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Speaker 2: He wore out his welcome in like three weeks.
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Speaker 3: I know. It's it's really kind of crazy, to be honest.
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Speaker 2: You don't want to see nine when he's on the
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Speaker 2: field thomotion.
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Speaker 3: So can you repeat to the listening audience and to
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Speaker 3: me what I've always said about these six quarterbacks?
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Speaker 2: Uh, that two would be great, two would be okay,
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Speaker 2: and two would stink?
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Speaker 3: Is that it something like that? Yeah, well you've got it.
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Speaker 3: Looks to me like the two that are gonna stink
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Speaker 3: are McCarthy and Pennix. Yeah, for different reasons. Pendix can't
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Speaker 3: stay healthy and McCarthy, I just don't know if he
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Speaker 3: can play. Plus his team's like, you're a goof Yeah,
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Yeh, Drake may looks like
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Speaker 3: he has a chance to be a terrific, terrific quarterback,
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Speaker 3: does he not? And Jayden Daniels and Caleb Williams. I
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Speaker 3: think that they're probably still on the fence. I mean
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Speaker 3: they're going into year three.
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Speaker 2: But I mean maybe one of those could be pretty
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Speaker 2: one of those better than the other. You might have
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Speaker 2: four really good ones to be hon might.
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Speaker 3: You might, Yeah, you might, But usually there's one that
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Speaker 3: settles down to the middle of the pack, in the
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Speaker 3: middle of the mix. Yeah, So we'll see, we'll see.
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Speaker 2: But it is a really fascinating read in the sense
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Speaker 2: that you might have become a trendsetter in the league.
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Speaker 2: You might have thought up a possibility that previously was
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Speaker 2: unthought of, which is I can't eat all this money now.
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Speaker 2: I think we all kind of know mos that when
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Speaker 2: he first got here, Sean Payton he didn't want to
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Speaker 2: have Russell Wilson. But even for them, they're like, I
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Speaker 2: cannot eat three years of this dead money, and that's
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Speaker 2: where you look at a team like Cleveland. I'm like,
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Speaker 2: you're still a ways off from even thinking about this,
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Speaker 2: aren't you. Deshaun Watson, I think he is still owed
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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty million dollars. That's undoable, completely undoable. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: so they're still in the I'm gonna have to wait
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Speaker 2: that one out thing.
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Speaker 3: And I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Maybe Cleveland still thinks he's good for whatever reason. I
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Speaker 2: have no idea.
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Speaker 3: Let me, I want to look at something right now.
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Speaker 3: It just sparked my brain. But up Cleveland, Cleveland, Cleveland?
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Speaker 3: How many?
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Speaker 2: How many quarterbacks? I'm gonna look at their official depth chart?
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Speaker 3: Okay?
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Speaker 2: Can I try and name all their quarterbacks?
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Speaker 3: Okay? But but yes, do you want to try to
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Speaker 3: do it in order? This is according though to ESPN,
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Speaker 3: and I've only got I'm only four deep here. What
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Speaker 3: their depth chart is? Is that what you're talking about?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm assuming Deshaun's one.
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Speaker 3: He is one? Yes, that's is that by default? Though?
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Speaker 3: I mean it's because he's getting all the money and
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Speaker 3: he can't be can't be traded, can't be god, can't
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Speaker 3: be anything. Part of it.
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Speaker 2: Two is shador That is also correct. Three is Gabriel,
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Speaker 2: that is correct, and four is I don't know who
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Speaker 2: they did they did they just draft somebody this year.
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Speaker 2: I think they the somebody in the sixth round, tall
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Speaker 2: guy who's fast, the big targets.
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Speaker 3: Yes, look at the big.
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Speaker 2: Brain on me.
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Speaker 3: Huh, I like it. So you already have all these guys.
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Speaker 3: You used two picks on quarterbacks in the previous tailing green,
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Speaker 3: tailoring green.
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Speaker 2: That's right.
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Speaker 3: In the previous draft he used two picks on quarterbacks.
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Speaker 2: Why not another?
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Speaker 3: Why not? You know what they're they're they're going down
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Speaker 3: the mos route. Well, you can do it.
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Speaker 2: You guyscated for this for years. Why take a quarterback
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Speaker 2: every damn ye're until you find him. That sounds great
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Speaker 2: to me, But yeah, they're they're not in the let's
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Speaker 2: try the Broncos thing because they would be broke.
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Speaker 3: They couldn't have they couldn't feel the team. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So it's just it's it's a cool read when your
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Speaker 2: team messes up, and that's what you did. You messed up.
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Speaker 2: The Russell Wilson thing didn't work. But to climb yourself
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Speaker 2: out of it as quickly and as successfully as they did,
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Speaker 2: like coming back and making the playoffs. I think that
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Speaker 2: first year with Boonix, what they nine and eight making
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Speaker 2: the playoffs? Or were they ten and seven in twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty seven?
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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I think there.
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Speaker 2: Were tenants doing that, but then getting sort of, you know,
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Speaker 2: beaten up in that playoff game by Buffalo. None of
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Speaker 2: us were surprised, but were like, hey, it's cool they
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Speaker 2: made the playoffs.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think we all thought they were gonna get
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Speaker 3: beat up pretty well, did we not?
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Speaker 2: Yes, But then the following year to do what they did,
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Speaker 2: make the AFC Championship game, be the number one team
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Speaker 2: in the NFL or in in the AFC wild So
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Speaker 2: we'll get back to this in a little bit. Got
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Speaker 2: some audio from Sean Payton yesterday that I do want
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Speaker 2: to get to.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Vick is out today, by the way, he is out. Yes,
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Speaker 3: I mean football, just all the time, football, football, football, football, football, football, football.
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Speaker 3: I don't know what we're learning right now. The time
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Speaker 3: to learn is lead July August. That's when you learn.
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Speaker 3: What are we learning there?
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Speaker 2: I got something for I don't know if it's learning,
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Speaker 2: but it's a reinforcement of something that we knew a
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Speaker 2: little bit. But speaking of money, there is a certain
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Speaker 2: narrative surrounding the Nuggets in the aves that I think
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Speaker 2: people have taken as a negative, and I'll present to
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Speaker 2: you in opposite argument and look no further than the
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Speaker 2: team that won the NBA Championship just a few days ago.
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Speaker 2: We'll get to it next. Do you want to talk
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Speaker 2: money with me? Mos, I'm gonna talk cash.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I like this, though, Hang on a second now,
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Speaker 3: little this breathe, they decide to lose, give me some ready? Yeah,
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Speaker 3: good job?
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Speaker 5: Okay, sorry here, I'll play the vict role, moser.
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Speaker 6: This this is a sport to talk about sports. I
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Speaker 6: didn't get out of bed this morning and talk about
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Speaker 6: your music from the fifties. Most I can do this.
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Speaker 6: We want to talk about Louis Armstrong, I'll go vic.
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Speaker 3: Who is Billy Mack? I don't care who Billy Mack is.
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Speaker 3: I would have said the same thing. Oh, would you
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Speaker 3: know who he is? No?
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Speaker 5: Well, he's a detective down in Texas.
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Speaker 3: Billy Mack is a detective down in Texas.
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Speaker 2: Okay, what does he know?
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Speaker 3: You know?
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Speaker 5: It's just exactly what the facts is.
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Speaker 3: Damn right, Steve God, I love that guy.
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Speaker 2: Do you want to talk money with me?
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Speaker 3: Yes, let's do it.
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Speaker 2: Two bucks, two bucks. Work it over, Yeah, working.
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Speaker 3: Over two bucks. Then, by the way, I've not done
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Speaker 3: that in years. You have not play.
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Speaker 2: The Knicks are having paid and his money their championship
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Speaker 2: parade today. The NYPD has released ten thousand police officers
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Speaker 2: to make sure this thing doesn't get too rowdy. So
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Speaker 2: they're gonna have some fun.
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Speaker 3: It's good. It's gonna get rowdy. It's the first parade.
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Speaker 3: Doesn't matter if they had a million police officers. It's
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Speaker 3: gonna get rowdy.
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Speaker 2: It's the first parade they've had in fifty three years.
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Speaker 2: James Dolan is the owner of the Knicks. Who is
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Speaker 2: I mean, for long, long, long time, Ben a bane
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Speaker 2: of existence in Knicks fans eyes. But now they're champions.
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Speaker 2: So James Dolan feels like he can crawl out of
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Speaker 2: his hermitshell and go make some appearances. He jumps on
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Speaker 2: w W F A N yesterday and they start asking, man,
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Speaker 2: how great is this and how did you put this
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Speaker 2: team together? And can you believe it? In all the
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Speaker 2: same questions you would ask somebody who just want a title.
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Speaker 2: And then they asked this, You're gonna keep the team together?
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Speaker 2: Team just won a title. You're gonna run it back.
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Speaker 2: James Dolan's answer was this, I don't know if we'll
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Speaker 2: be able to. We're willing to stretch, but there's certain
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Speaker 2: things in the NBA that you'd have to be suicidal
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Speaker 2: to do. One of them is the second apron. Ah,
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Speaker 2: all right, as big a check as possible, but I
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Speaker 2: can't write a check into that second apron. This is
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Speaker 2: a guy who, for the first time in fifty three years,
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Speaker 2: has brought a title to New York with the Knicks,
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Speaker 2: the mecca of basketball, who has said, even with our
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Speaker 2: championship parade happening tomorrow, this was yesterday tomorrow, I will
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Speaker 2: under no circumstances go into that second apron because this
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Speaker 2: is now, finally, I think the entire NBA realizing you
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Speaker 2: have virtually no shot outside of insane injury, luck in
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Speaker 2: many other things of winning a title if you do it,
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Speaker 2: or having an extended run. And so it takes me
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Speaker 2: back to and I've seen this pretty much once a
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Speaker 2: day for the last two weeks. In regards to Peyton Watson,
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Speaker 2: Bill Simmons said this, if you remember last week, just
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Speaker 2: pay him.
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Speaker 3: You can pay them.
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Speaker 2: You don't need to offload a salary to Peyton Watson.
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Speaker 3: Well, you do.
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Speaker 2: If you want to have roster flexibility, you do. You
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Speaker 2: don't feel like your team's good enough. And I think
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Speaker 2: most people in the league are catching on now that
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Speaker 2: this is a fool's errand the NBA set it up
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Speaker 2: this way. And to the NBA's credit because I criticize
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Speaker 2: them on a lot of things that I think they're stupid.
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Speaker 2: On the NBA, if they wanted pair Aready in their sport,
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Speaker 2: guess what this did it It certainly did eight different
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Speaker 2: champions in the last eight years, which is why when
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Speaker 2: we get Jake Coin on to talk about the CBA
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Speaker 2: in the NBA, I mean, we.
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Speaker 3: Need him the world. The world needs Jake Coins. They do.
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Speaker 3: You got a little the little book We're going to
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Speaker 3: hang it right back here. I got a little booklet
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Speaker 3: that he that he made for you.
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Speaker 2: A world full of Brett kyanesould be a very stupid world.
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Speaker 3: It's just that it's so confusing and it's so restrictive.
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Speaker 2: It'd be a fun world, though, we'd party.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so confusing and so restrictive that it's I mean,
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Speaker 3: you have to keep your toes tapping at all times
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Speaker 3: in all these different areas like flexibility and apron spending
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Speaker 3: and bird rights and repeater tax. I mean, you gotta
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Speaker 3: and you've got to think, you know, two, three, five
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Speaker 3: years down the road, all the players are like, hey, man,
19:52
Speaker 3: do I have a job? How am I getting? Am
19:55
Speaker 3: I getting paid? How much am I getting paid? Are
19:58
Speaker 3: we any good the simple things running these teams? Man,
20:01
Speaker 3: you've got so many things to consider and lay it
20:05
Speaker 3: out down the road five six years even it's it's hard,
20:09
Speaker 3: it's crazy. And so I don't blame him. I mean,
20:11
Speaker 3: you're talking about a billionaire who just won a title.
20:14
Speaker 2: He's like, I ain't going to second apron, I ain't
20:18
Speaker 2: going back. But he's he's I want people to understand something.
20:22
Speaker 2: James Dolan is not doing this to be cheap. And god,
20:26
Speaker 2: I'd never thought I never thought I'd be saying things
20:29
Speaker 2: to defend James Dolan on this radio show. But you
20:33
Speaker 2: know what they So here's what they face. I'll just
20:35
Speaker 2: give you sort of the breakdown, and so imagine if
20:37
Speaker 2: this was in the Nuggets for a second. They have
20:42
Speaker 2: wrote their rotational players that are upcoming free agents are
20:46
Speaker 2: Mitchell Robinson, who is a big piece of that rotations.
20:49
Speaker 2: Landry Shammitt, who is a big piece three and his
20:52
Speaker 2: forehead were big. Josey Alvarado's got a player option of
20:55
Speaker 2: four and a half million dollars.
20:57
Speaker 3: He's plenty, He's plenty in that rotation.
20:59
Speaker 2: He could opt in or opt out and try and
21:02
Speaker 2: get more cash. But all of those guys under their
21:05
Speaker 2: salaries last year, do you know how far underneath the
21:08
Speaker 2: second apron that team was two hundred thousand dollars?
21:11
Speaker 3: Heez, Louise, they went and.
21:14
Speaker 2: Gave it a kiss, that that cap limit. There's no
21:18
Speaker 2: way you bring all of those guys back and stay
21:20
Speaker 2: underneath it.
21:22
Speaker 3: Unless, you know, unless you move out another big piece.
21:26
Speaker 2: But that's all I'm saying is you aren't running the
21:29
Speaker 2: same roster back unless you're going second aprin. That is correct,
21:32
Speaker 2: but there is almost no benefit to doing so unless
21:35
Speaker 2: you just think that God is on your side and
21:38
Speaker 2: that everybody's going to be healthy, and that everybody's going
21:41
Speaker 2: to have the exact same numbers.
21:42
Speaker 3: As last year. As a three C, you're gonna be
21:44
Speaker 3: able to walk through the Eastern Conference again, I mean again.
21:49
Speaker 3: Sometimes teams just catch this lightning in a bottle. Sometimes
21:52
Speaker 3: they sometimes they just have the universal fuzz that comes through,
21:55
Speaker 3: and that's kind of The Nits are a very good
21:58
Speaker 3: basketball team, but they sort of had a universal fuzz
22:01
Speaker 3: to them.
22:01
Speaker 2: They did they most they They were down to one
22:05
Speaker 2: in the first series and then went sixteen and won
22:08
Speaker 2: the rest of the way.
22:08
Speaker 3: There is no doubt. And let me explain when the
22:11
Speaker 3: Patriots are winning super Bowls.
22:12
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, fifteen to one.
22:14
Speaker 3: Let's say the Patriots are winning Super Bowls. Right, they
22:16
Speaker 3: don't have universal fuzz. They're just good. It's freaking good
22:20
Speaker 3: with the best quarterback in the league. Yep. Okay, but
22:24
Speaker 3: sometimes these teams capture these it's just this like when
22:29
Speaker 3: the Evs won in twenty twenty two, they were essentially
22:33
Speaker 3: the best team in the league.
22:33
Speaker 7: Dude.
22:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no universal fuzz other than okay, you got
22:37
Speaker 3: you finally got over that second round hump and you
22:38
Speaker 3: were playing you blasted Edmonton in the in the conference
22:43
Speaker 3: final and four and you get what I'm saying.
22:45
Speaker 2: Maybe the universal fuzz was that you were you're I mean,
22:48
Speaker 2: you had all this, yeah, but you didn't have guys,
22:52
Speaker 2: big time guys missing due to injury stuff.
22:54
Speaker 3: Figure. Yeah, so it just happened sometimes. But the second
23:01
Speaker 3: I don't blame him. It's not and it's and by
23:03
Speaker 3: the way, what he's saying is it's not because he
23:05
Speaker 3: doesn't want to spend the money.
23:07
Speaker 2: Well, that's why I pointed it out.
23:08
Speaker 3: Because when you get there, dude, it's it's so restrictive
23:11
Speaker 3: to your basketball team. If one thing goes wrong, the
23:15
Speaker 3: whole season's wiped out.
23:17
Speaker 2: That's why I pointed out, he's not being cheap. He's
23:19
Speaker 2: spent up to two hundred thousand dollars beneath it. That's
23:22
Speaker 2: not being cheap. But he's just you won't be able
23:25
Speaker 2: to do it this year if you want to bring
23:26
Speaker 2: the same team back, and if there's anybody to blame
23:29
Speaker 2: for this, and there's two things I want to ask
23:31
Speaker 2: on this one, but just to point this out first,
23:34
Speaker 2: I think you can make a direct one to one
23:36
Speaker 2: correlation why this rule exists. Why they change the capitals
23:41
Speaker 2: was because a seventy three win Warriors team signed Kevin
23:43
Speaker 2: Durant the offseason. Correct, And the NBA said, look, I
23:48
Speaker 2: know we're a superstar driven league. And I bet they'd
23:50
Speaker 2: even admit that the four straight years of Calves and
23:53
Speaker 2: Warriors finals probably worked pretty well for him. Think about it,
23:58
Speaker 2: MOJ every year, whether Lebron won or lost, whether it's
24:02
Speaker 2: the one championship that he won during that stretch or
24:05
Speaker 2: the three that he lost, the NBA gets an entire
24:07
Speaker 2: offseason of Jordan Lebron discussions. I'm sure they loved it,
24:13
Speaker 2: but they even they said that's too much. You can't
24:19
Speaker 2: go out and sign a top three player in the
24:22
Speaker 2: world when your team just won seventy three games.
24:25
Speaker 3: That is correct. I've been saying that a lot today.
24:28
Speaker 3: You've been making a lot of sense. You've been doing
24:29
Speaker 3: a lot of talking, but you've also been making a
24:31
Speaker 3: lot of sense. I think they're going hand in hand today.
24:34
Speaker 2: But you can point to I think that moment as
24:39
Speaker 2: the starting point for all of these changes within the
24:42
Speaker 2: camp restrictions. But when you look at where we're at
24:48
Speaker 2: now in the league, do you think if the NBA
24:52
Speaker 2: had their choice, would they rather have the four straight
24:55
Speaker 2: years of Lebron Steph Curry finals or would they rather
24:59
Speaker 2: have eight straight years of eight different.
25:01
Speaker 3: Champions I think they'd rather have the four straight years
25:03
Speaker 3: of Lebron and Curry finals. To be honest with you,
25:06
Speaker 3: I think this is such a star driven league. The
25:10
Speaker 3: attention and the money flows in when the Stars are
25:14
Speaker 3: marketed the biggest, you know what I mean, no, for sure,
25:19
Speaker 3: so I think that they probably prefer that. But the
25:23
Speaker 3: rest of the league is like, hey, I mean, your
25:27
Speaker 3: picture yourself as Sacramento, as Charlotte, eh, I know, because
25:33
Speaker 3: you can't. You can't just have a league though of
25:35
Speaker 3: Cleveland and Okay, Lebron's in Cleveland. I think you can
25:39
Speaker 3: have a league with not Cleveland now, you know. But
25:42
Speaker 3: you can't just have Golden State Boston, the Knicks at Miami.
25:49
Speaker 3: I mean, you've got to have these teams need teams
25:52
Speaker 3: to play, and that's that's what we're getting in baseball too.
25:56
Speaker 3: You got to have teams to play. You can't just
25:58
Speaker 3: all be Yankees and Dodgers and Red you know. That's
26:02
Speaker 3: that's another whole nother thing. But as far as the
26:06
Speaker 3: Nuggets are concerned, did once you read the little text
26:10
Speaker 3: that Nelly just gave.
26:11
Speaker 2: You, I see, let me see here, hang.
26:16
Speaker 3: On, why don't you see something? And then read the
26:18
Speaker 3: text that Nelly just gave you.
26:21
Speaker 2: This from Evan Sidery.
26:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know who that is.
26:27
Speaker 2: He says. The Nuggets are planning to pursue bogdan Bogdanovich
26:32
Speaker 2: and free agency, providing Nikola Yoki to one of his
26:34
Speaker 2: favorite Olympic teammates. The Clippers will decline Bogdanovic's team option,
26:39
Speaker 2: which makes him an unrestricted free agent. What was he
26:45
Speaker 2: don big Don big Don Bangdan Bogdan Bogdan big Don Bagdon,
26:50
Speaker 2: to which Nelly said, Moser, you manifested this. Now we
26:54
Speaker 2: read this, I'm gonna say, I don't know who this guy.
26:57
Speaker 4: Is well, and he also sort it excuse me this site.
27:01
Speaker 4: I can't speak right now. The source that he cited,
27:04
Speaker 4: my goodness, gracious, is euro hoops Net. And wasn't euro
27:07
Speaker 4: hoops Net the same website that was quoting us and
27:11
Speaker 4: saying like according to a Denver radio host, no Jonas Valentnis,
27:14
Speaker 4: blah blah blah, wasn't that them that misinterpreted us?
27:17
Speaker 5: I think it was, And that's who we're using as
27:19
Speaker 5: our source.
27:20
Speaker 2: Euro hoops is, from what I know, doing one of
27:25
Speaker 2: the bigger insult them. No, I what I was gonna say,
27:30
Speaker 2: was there one of the bigger sites over in Europe
27:31
Speaker 2: when it comes to the NBA.
27:32
Speaker 3: Think're gonna say.
27:33
Speaker 2: Euro Hoops from what I know, is run by a
27:36
Speaker 2: bunch of dillho No no, Well, they did misquote Victough,
27:41
Speaker 2: didn't they?
27:43
Speaker 3: Or they they it was a half quote. It was
27:45
Speaker 3: a half what was it? Helped me? Noll? He was
27:47
Speaker 3: like a half.
27:47
Speaker 4: Quote or yeah, they said vic was breaking some news
27:50
Speaker 4: that Yonas Valentunis was or wasn't going to go to Greece.
27:54
Speaker 4: It was just us trying to read the tea leaves
27:56
Speaker 4: and they took it for fact. It was something like that.
27:59
Speaker 2: And then he insulted Grease and then it became a
28:01
Speaker 2: whole thing.
28:03
Speaker 3: I got a piece of grease too. I deal problem
28:05
Speaker 3: with that. So maybe this is true.
28:08
Speaker 2: Now I'll tell you Bogdon is not the bogedon of
28:20
Speaker 2: old Bogdon was really good for a while. But if
28:27
Speaker 2: you look at sort of what his career has been
28:29
Speaker 2: over the last few years, no, not a lot to
28:35
Speaker 2: speak of mos correct.
28:36
Speaker 3: I'm also no, he's been he's been sort of declining.
28:43
Speaker 2: And he's thirty three years old. My question, with his
28:46
Speaker 2: best years are behind him.
28:47
Speaker 3: What's his role? Then let's say it did happen, what's
28:51
Speaker 3: his what's his role?
28:54
Speaker 2: His role I think is to be the sharpshooter that
28:57
Speaker 2: you will miss when Tim Hardaway does not sign here.
29:00
Speaker 2: That would be my guess, and you can do that
29:02
Speaker 2: probably for a vet minimum at this point in his career,
29:05
Speaker 2: which is why you need to find some guys that
29:08
Speaker 2: that's my best guess. If this is all true, which
29:12
Speaker 2: is certainly possible. Well, and I do know that you
29:16
Speaker 2: know him and Joker are boys.
29:18
Speaker 3: Of course, I really don't have a good temperature of
29:22
Speaker 3: guys around the league who would say, I want to
29:24
Speaker 3: come play with Joker, you know, be good all the
29:28
Speaker 3: way around.
29:29
Speaker 2: I know the guys from Serbia would.
29:30
Speaker 3: But that's what I'm saying. This guy would he wants
29:34
Speaker 3: to come play with me. Boy, he would do it
29:36
Speaker 3: a Joker maybe for the first time Ever's like, hey,
29:39
Speaker 3: he'll get one of my boys. He wants to be here.
29:42
Speaker 3: They don't want him there, he wants to be here.
29:43
Speaker 3: Let's get it done.
29:45
Speaker 2: So okay, I look, I'm not against it. I just
29:53
Speaker 2: I'm not blown away by it. And again, this is
29:58
Speaker 2: all just a rumor right now from your hoops dot net.
30:01
Speaker 2: So who knows if this is actually true. I'm it
30:06
Speaker 2: certainly checks a lot of boxes of that makes sense.
30:10
Speaker 2: Daiokich knows probably Trust played with him on the Olympic
30:14
Speaker 2: teams can shoot still probably a thirty six thirty seven
30:18
Speaker 2: percent three point shooter. What you're gonna need when Tim
30:20
Speaker 2: Hardaway leaves. He I don't think he can play twenty
30:24
Speaker 2: six minutes a night or whatever. It was like Tim
30:25
Speaker 2: Hardaway could couldn't be in that type of role. But
30:29
Speaker 2: something coming off the bench. Sure, you know, still my
30:33
Speaker 2: main concern for things that you're missing. This might sound
30:38
Speaker 2: stupid to say, and maybe I shouldn't do it with
30:39
Speaker 2: one minute left in the segment, but I was skeptical
30:47
Speaker 2: from the jump when the Nuggets kept saying over and
30:51
Speaker 2: over and over again, we need to shoot more threes,
30:54
Speaker 2: we need to shoot more threes. And everybody who was
30:55
Speaker 2: a Nuggets fan was like, they gotta shoot more threes.
30:58
Speaker 2: And I said, why they score already, they're good. Why
31:02
Speaker 2: do not to go like full Billy Bean on you?
31:07
Speaker 2: But I want to get on base. Do I care
31:09
Speaker 2: if it's a hit or a walk?
31:11
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
31:12
Speaker 2: I want to if you get to one hundred and twenty,
31:15
Speaker 2: I want to get points.
31:17
Speaker 3: Is that whether it's more twos or threes, does it
31:20
Speaker 3: really matter? And because by the way, you're gonna get
31:22
Speaker 3: there if you're the Denver Nuggets. You're gonna get there.
31:24
Speaker 2: They've done that forever. And look, one thing I do know,
31:29
Speaker 2: shooting in the playoffs can disappear. Do you know what
31:33
Speaker 2: doesn't a layup layup stone shooting threes comes and goes.
31:40
Speaker 2: Do you know what the Nuggets shot on wide open
31:41
Speaker 2: threes in the Minnesota Series wide open threes.
31:44
Speaker 3: It was not good. I don't know the exact number.
31:48
Speaker 2: They were the best in the league in the regular season.
31:51
Speaker 2: That stuff disappears in a hurry. Get me somebody. Look,
31:55
Speaker 2: here's what I want the offseason. I want players that
31:59
Speaker 2: can and score at the rim and play good defense.
32:05
Speaker 2: I really don't care about the three point shooting. Yes,
32:07
Speaker 2: you need it. I understand that you need it. The
32:10
Speaker 2: Nuggets won a championship shooting the least threes.
32:12
Speaker 3: In the NBA. As we roll on here real quick,
32:18
Speaker 3: I'm seeing this out of the US Open this morning.
32:21
Speaker 3: First of all, the greens there and around the greens,
32:25
Speaker 3: the concrete. Why don't just going out to the home
32:28
Speaker 3: deeple parking lot and try to make a putt scerity feet?
32:31
Speaker 3: But these guys are doing this right here. Eh, I
32:35
Speaker 3: don't know what I mean. The ball landed right next
32:37
Speaker 3: to the hole and then it just rolled for fifty
32:40
Speaker 3: yards off the green into Missus Smith's barbecue. Like, what
32:43
Speaker 3: the hell am I suposed to do? Right?
32:46
Speaker 2: They can't get a ball to stop?
32:47
Speaker 3: How hard would it be when these guys are used
32:48
Speaker 3: to being under par, right, you know, going for pins
32:50
Speaker 3: and all this. How hard would it be for them
32:53
Speaker 3: to just play defensive golf for four days in a row.
32:56
Speaker 2: Well, this is why this is my second favorite major.
32:59
Speaker 2: I mean, Mastresses always going to be one. This one's
33:01
Speaker 2: my favorite, though, because I like to see guys struggle,
33:03
Speaker 2: and number two I like to see get pissed when
33:05
Speaker 2: we come back.
33:05
Speaker 3: Up on to play. You something from a from a GM,
33:09
Speaker 3: A GM who just to defend their own position allegedly. Yeah,
33:17
Speaker 3: just throw other teams catching strays off this guy big time.
33:20
Speaker 2: All right, we'll get to an next okay. So so yeah, yeah,
33:26
Speaker 2: let's not talk about that. Let's talk about what you wanted. No, no, no, no, it's.
33:31
Speaker 3: Okay, it's okay.
33:35
Speaker 2: Just put your headphones on and tell me what you
33:37
Speaker 2: wanted to talk about.
33:39
Speaker 3: Oh Grant, Yeah, okay, all right. So Vegas is going
33:45
Speaker 3: through their season ending thing and their GM is Kelly
33:48
Speaker 3: mcrimmon McCrimmon, Kelly McCrimmon, crack it, and it was basically
33:56
Speaker 3: he sort of went Calvin Booth, who was asked about,
34:00
Speaker 3: you know why the last thing year is I think
34:02
Speaker 3: I just made a look too easy. They were voted
34:05
Speaker 3: the most hated team in the league, and he was asked,
34:08
Speaker 3: why why are you the most hated team in the league, Nelly,
34:12
Speaker 3: if you would please.
34:14
Speaker 7: It's a jealousy and it's a people don't want to
34:19
Speaker 7: are uncomfortable admitting that we've done a hell of a job.
34:21
Speaker 7: That's what I honestly think, Chris. Players love playing here.
34:25
Speaker 7: You you talked to our players yesterday. Our players love
34:28
Speaker 7: playing here. Jack made the point there wouldn't be a
34:30
Speaker 7: player in the NHL that had Vegas on their no
34:32
Speaker 7: trade list. So the organization treats their players fantastic. The
34:37
Speaker 7: organization gives our players every resource to be the best
34:40
Speaker 7: that they can be as a person and as a player.
34:43
Speaker 7: And and it's a great city to live. And as
34:45
Speaker 7: you all know, it's it's easy out here with you know,
34:49
Speaker 7: with traffic, lifestyle, all of those things that go into it.
34:53
Speaker 7: But all those players would tell you the number one
34:56
Speaker 7: thing is they have a chance to win.
34:58
Speaker 3: Okay, that's none of that was why everybody hates you.
35:04
Speaker 3: Jealousy that were just so damn good and all this
35:06
Speaker 3: kind of thing. I it's and it started from the
35:12
Speaker 3: get go, Brett. I remember before they were even ay
35:16
Speaker 3: before they even had a team, expansion leading empty the
35:18
Speaker 3: expansion draft, and whoever was running their social media was
35:22
Speaker 3: an absolute abhorrent for and terrible person because they're going, well,
35:29
Speaker 3: I can't wait to see who we get to, you know,
35:30
Speaker 3: take away from this team, and they're tweeting this out.
35:33
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, the rules have changed for the expansion
35:36
Speaker 3: d keep in mind, you're gonna be taking somebody's favorite player.
35:39
Speaker 3: There's nothing the team can do about it. Yeah, and
35:41
Speaker 3: nothing the fans could do nothing, and you're like punking
35:46
Speaker 3: them before you're even a team. I thought, I just
35:48
Speaker 3: thought it was so ghost hated it. Okay, that's where
35:53
Speaker 3: it started for me, By the way, that person got
35:55
Speaker 3: the ziggy because they were just way too over the
35:58
Speaker 3: top of obnoxious.
36:00
Speaker 2: Now I want you to yell at me for this, the.
36:05
Speaker 3: Only one in front of me.
36:08
Speaker 2: The fact that they have been successful is certainly a
36:11
Speaker 2: part of it. If they did that and then stunk.
36:13
Speaker 2: Nobody would care.
36:14
Speaker 3: That's true, right, that.
36:16
Speaker 2: Is true, but it is not the only reason is
36:20
Speaker 2: because you're good. There's plenty of teams that are good
36:22
Speaker 2: that I don't absolutely detest Steve.
36:25
Speaker 3: Do you have the one where he bags in the Kraken? Yeah,
36:29
Speaker 3: that one. You can find it because in a roundabout
36:35
Speaker 3: way he basically Okay, go ahead, Delly.
36:37
Speaker 7: You know you've heard it all the way through those
36:39
Speaker 7: nine years, all the expansion rules were so favorable.
36:42
Speaker 3: Well stop stoped up, they were they the league had
36:46
Speaker 3: not expanded in forever. This is a it's not a
36:50
Speaker 3: lynch pin market, but this is a god we're the
36:53
Speaker 3: first pro sports team in Vegas, right.
36:55
Speaker 2: Yeah.
36:56
Speaker 3: The league, when they saw other teams struggle for solo,
37:00
Speaker 3: they did not want Vegas. They wanted to give them
37:02
Speaker 3: at least a chance to be decent. So they structured
37:05
Speaker 3: the rules way different than they had previous expansion drafts, right, correct.
37:12
Speaker 3: And I give Vegas credit George McPhee running the show
37:15
Speaker 3: then and so on and so forth. They they were
37:19
Speaker 3: smart with the they were smart with the rules, and
37:21
Speaker 3: other teams saw this as oh my god, but now
37:24
Speaker 3: we get an opportunity to unload some bad contracts of
37:27
Speaker 3: our own, and Vegas took advantage of that big time.
37:30
Speaker 3: They really did a good job in that regard. But
37:33
Speaker 3: let's not pretend the rules weren't incredibly favorable for them
37:36
Speaker 3: to be able to do.
37:37
Speaker 2: That, because they were set.
37:40
Speaker 7: You know, you've heard it all the way through those
37:42
Speaker 7: nine years, all the expansion rules were so favorable. Well,
37:45
Speaker 7: Seattle krack Can had the same expansion rules, and everybody says, oh, well,
37:49
Speaker 7: everybody wised up because of how well Vegas did well.
37:52
Speaker 7: I would argue that Seattle had almost three years to
37:55
Speaker 7: get ready for expansion. We had eleven months when Seattle
37:57
Speaker 7: did expansion. The cap pressures the NHL was commpletely different
38:02
Speaker 7: than it was when we did expansion.
38:04
Speaker 3: Okay, O, he's but he's right about this. The rest
38:07
Speaker 3: of the league. When Seattle's come in and goes, hey,
38:10
Speaker 3: we ain't we ain't doing that again. We we ain't
38:16
Speaker 3: doing that again.
38:17
Speaker 2: Somebody get this dude a sling, because he he's like
38:20
Speaker 2: straining his shoulder, patting himself on the back. Good lord,
38:24
Speaker 2: Uh First and foremost, secondly, you.
38:28
Speaker 3: Know what you know? Okay, go ahead, please finish up.
38:32
Speaker 2: So he's speaking yesterday because they Is it because they
38:35
Speaker 2: hired Ryan Craig is, Yeah, that's why he was out there.
38:41
Speaker 2: There is one thing that is not a good sign
38:44
Speaker 2: in Vegas. How long have they been in the league
38:48
Speaker 2: most ten years? Nine nine years? Which coach is this
38:53
Speaker 2: for them?
38:55
Speaker 3: One twoth? Is this coach five? There? FIFA coach five?
39:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not exactly what you aspire to have as
39:06
Speaker 2: a franchise, Prince Boudreu turning through that many coaches in
39:12
Speaker 2: that short amount of time, right, I would argue that
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Speaker 2: it seems wildly impatient.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's one of those things.
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Speaker 2: Again, I remember discussing this before everything happened. This is
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Speaker 2: where I'll break my arm patting myself on the back.
39:31
Speaker 2: When the Minnesota Vikings made the decision after a fourteen
39:34
Speaker 2: and three season to move on from Sam Darnold, and
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Speaker 2: I remember they lost that playoff game, Kevin O'Connell stepped
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Speaker 2: to the podium and they asked him about Sam, and
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Speaker 2: he kept talking past tense. Sam was great for us.
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Speaker 2: We really appreciated what Sam did for us, like that
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Speaker 2: sort of stuff, and I go, oh, he's gone gone.
39:52
Speaker 2: They know nothing about JJ McCarthy because he's been hurt
39:55
Speaker 2: ever since he stepped foot there. He played like two
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Speaker 2: weeks of mini camp and then he was out for
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Speaker 2: the year. And they're already dismissing Sam Donald as somebody
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Speaker 2: who is like, don't need them, We'll move on. He
40:09
Speaker 2: goes to Seattle, and my first thought was, you just
40:12
Speaker 2: had a fourteen and three season. They played Detroit the
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Speaker 2: final week of that year, with both teams at fourteen wins.
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Speaker 3: The winner is number one in the.
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Speaker 2: NFC and the losers, a wildcard team barely lost to Detroit,
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Speaker 2: end up in the wild card, lose that wild card
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Speaker 2: round and they and my first thought was that's gonna
40:36
Speaker 2: be tough to improve on what happens, And in my head,
40:40
Speaker 2: I go, what happens if you dropped to like, I
40:42
Speaker 2: don't know, nine and eight, ten and seven, and JJ
40:47
Speaker 2: McCarthy isn't nearly as good as Sam Donald. And what
40:50
Speaker 2: you got instead was they were three weeks into the
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Speaker 2: season saying I can't play this guy, like I gotta hey,
40:57
Speaker 2: you have a hamstring injury that's gonna keep you out
40:59
Speaker 2: for six weeks because justin Jefferson's about to punch me
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Speaker 2: in the face.
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Speaker 3: And if you don't, you're going to If you don't
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Speaker 3: really you're good by the end of the day, and
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Speaker 3: so Vegas they make the decision to change.
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Speaker 2: Coaches before the playoffs start. John Tortorella comes in, is
41:14
Speaker 2: this close to winning them as Stanley Cup, and they go,
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Speaker 2: let's hire this guy. I'm not saying it's not gonna work,
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Speaker 2: but it's gonna be hard to improve upon what the previous.
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Speaker 3: Guy just it's it's it's very unique. It doesn't happen
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Speaker 3: that often. When the Avs when Mark Crawford got resigned
41:35
Speaker 3: and they went and Pierre Laquah hired Bob Hartley out
41:38
Speaker 3: of the Hershey Bears that was the ebb's affiliate, that
41:41
Speaker 3: was their HL affiliate at the time. It was like, Wow,
41:43
Speaker 3: this guy doesn't have NHL experience and you're hiring him
41:46
Speaker 3: to take over a team that's now essentially a year
41:51
Speaker 3: and a half removed from a Stanley Cup championship. Two
41:54
Speaker 3: years removed from it, right yep? Wow, bro, I mean
41:58
Speaker 3: you know, a year and a half essentially? Wow bro Wow. Well,
42:03
Speaker 3: eventually it paid off because they lost, lost, lost, lost,
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Speaker 3: and then finally won in one with Bob as head coach.
42:10
Speaker 3: Vegas wouldn't do that though, They would have ing, but
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Speaker 3: it was. It was a veteran team, a winning team. Yeah,
42:17
Speaker 3: but it eventually worked. I don't and it was different
42:19
Speaker 3: then too, And of course that team's full of Hall
42:21
Speaker 3: of famers. I don't know if this is going to work.
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Speaker 3: I don't know. The torts would have worked, but I
42:28
Speaker 3: don't know that this is gonna work. I will see
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Speaker 3: this guy. He's forty four years old, he's done. He
42:34
Speaker 3: was an assistant coach there that took over the Henderson
42:36
Speaker 3: Silver Nights for three years. They have sort of been
42:39
Speaker 3: grooming him the entire time to be this guy, and
42:42
Speaker 3: so maybe there was an understanding before it even began
42:44
Speaker 3: that look, Torch.
42:45
Speaker 2: You're just that's what you are. You're a closer, right,
42:49
Speaker 2: But again, most and then that's all we need. Would
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Speaker 2: they have done this if he won the cup? If
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Speaker 2: he won, I don't know, would you still say by
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Speaker 2: for the memories?
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Speaker 3: How could you take over the job if the guy
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Speaker 3: just want a cup? And yeah, I don't I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Just this is what I'm saying. Like this, this feels
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Speaker 2: very Sam Darnold to JJ McCarthy. E Like maybe McCarthy
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Speaker 2: is better or as good or whatever as the guy
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Speaker 2: was their previous It's gonna be hard to top what
43:19
Speaker 2: the previous guy did, though, whether you think he's good or.
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Speaker 3: Not, there's no doubt in my mind that the Golden
43:25
Speaker 3: Knights probably treat their players very well. A lot of
43:28
Speaker 3: teams treat their players well. Sure, but Nevada doesn't have
43:34
Speaker 3: income tax, Nevada doesn't have inheritage tax, Nevada doesn't have
43:39
Speaker 3: a state tax.
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Speaker 2: They got Nevada's got casinos to take care of the Yeah.
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Speaker 3: They've got none of that. So do you think it
43:48
Speaker 3: makes it a little bit more appealing? Look, these Canadian teams.
43:53
Speaker 3: You can play in Calgary, you can play in Vegas. Vegas. Yeah,
43:57
Speaker 3: I don't care if they treat me like dirt. I'm
43:59
Speaker 3: gonna keep more of my bread. That's you know, when
44:01
Speaker 3: you're when you have a finite amount of earning potential
44:04
Speaker 3: as a hockey player, that a lot of guys think
44:08
Speaker 3: that way.
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Speaker 4: Do you remember when was it Gary Bettman was on
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Speaker 4: with the spit No, I don't think it was spitting chicklets.
44:13
Speaker 4: Maybe they were just doing an interview with TNT and
44:17
Speaker 4: BIZ asked in that he said, the Florida teams have
44:20
Speaker 4: gone back to back and they're always in the finals?
44:22
Speaker 4: Is that because there's no state tax and everybody wants
44:24
Speaker 4: to play there? And Betman basically said, you're an idiot.
44:27
Speaker 4: What about all the other years that the Florida teams
44:29
Speaker 4: were bad? How do you explain that with the tax i?
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Speaker 3: Do remember? He said that?
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Speaker 2: And my counter would be, but good players go there.
44:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the thing. It's just like baseball. Spending the
44:45
Speaker 3: bazillion dollars doesn't guarantee you the opportunity to be a
44:50
Speaker 3: great team to win the World Series, but it certainly helps.
44:54
Speaker 3: Just because you don't have any state tax doesn't mean
44:56
Speaker 3: that you're gonna be a good team because because you
44:58
Speaker 3: can have a dumbfront office and I'm drafting and dumb whatever.
45:01
Speaker 3: But if you get the right people in place and
45:04
Speaker 3: it becomes very attractive to the right guys, it makes
45:07
Speaker 3: it easier. It just does.
45:08
Speaker 2: In another lifetime, when I was a wee lad and
45:11
Speaker 2: I was doing radio shows in the middle of college
45:13
Speaker 2: football country, long before transfer portals and nil came into
45:19
Speaker 2: the picture, Recruiting day was a big day. Signing day
45:24
Speaker 2: was a big day, And for years I had people
45:28
Speaker 2: telling me, you'd have these these stories. Tom Brady wasn't
45:35
Speaker 2: a five star. Yeah, you're right, he wasn't. And then
45:39
Speaker 2: I get another example. This guy had no stars coming
45:42
Speaker 2: out of high school and look at him now he's
45:44
Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer. Okay, give me a favor. Look
45:48
Speaker 2: three years ago at the top ten recruiting teams of
45:51
Speaker 2: the country. Tell me what their names are. Alabama, Georgia State, Michigan,
45:57
Speaker 2: Penn State, and I Ah, it seems like there's a
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Speaker 2: lot of titles there.
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Speaker 3: Name yeah, Yeah, you'll see so yeah, Texas.
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Speaker 2: You can tell me and point to examples of the exceptions.
46:10
Speaker 2: I'll show you the rule and here's.
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Speaker 3: What you got.
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