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Scott Fisher: Capstan · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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The reflection in them. Today, we've got Scott from Capstan with us.
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Super excited to chat with you. Scott. Uh. I mean, we'll
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obviously want to talk about like your history with Capstan and the new music and
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everything. But before we get into all of that, how are you doing
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today? I was like, I'm doing good, you know, just expecting
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a newborn any day, so hey, I can't the absolute chaos that comes
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along with all that. So yeah, but other than that, I'm just
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chilling. You know. Is the room that you're in right now, is
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that going to be the nursery because it's it's quite rare empty right now,
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It's quite they might stay. Yeah. So the reason the reason it's like
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that, No, this is the guest room. And the reason it's it's
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like this right now is because my dad was just in and we just we
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just like tore out a bathroom and replaced it and there was drywall dust literally
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everywhere, so like I had to like scrub everything down and that's why everything
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is gone. And yeah, so you know, it just goes along with
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that, the you know, the absolute insanity before a newborn comes, you
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know, Yeah, they got to prepare everything for your life now that's change.
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For a second, I thought that bed in the back of you was
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like, actually, like that was betting, And for a second, I'm
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like that nobody is able to make that kind of betting in a housework other
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than like professional bed making people. But then I'm now like realizing it's just
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like a really nice, like soft looking mattress, right, It's yeah,
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it's exactly. It's like those as a memory foam It's it's nice. Yeah,
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but I don't know if you guys saw there's like there's some some dude
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on like TikTok that like he like like steam what is that? Like steam
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irons is his sheets every morning? It's like, yes, I did see.
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It's like Patrick Bateman ship Like yeah, it looks it's like only like
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a serial killer would do that, right, Yeah, yeah, yes,
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I got to get his business card for real. I did see that.
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But well, enough bed making talk. Let's let's talk about just kind of
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like your own history with music and and then eventually getting into capstand But yeah,
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how did you get into music? How did you start playing instruments?
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And yeah, what what was the impetus for all? Yeah? Oh totally
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totally so I kind of my family. They're all on my dad's side,
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are all musicians. I have, like I have like I don't know,
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seven uncles. I kind of lose, I lose track sometimes. Then they
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all play music. And then my dad played drums, so I started I
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was like a round drums and around shows from a really young age. And
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then you know, as as I kind of grew up, I kind of
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discovered like seeing music and like Whooped Tour, that whole vein of music whatever
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it is, you know, like, and I started to get into like
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death metal, started playing death metal bands and you know, playing drums and
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death metal bands. So yeah, that's kind of where I came up.
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And I grew up in Tampa doing that and Tampa, Tampa, Florida is
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a great death metal scene, or at least it was back then. So
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then I moved over to Orlando for college and I met the guys. I
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met some of the guys in Capstan and we kind of just started then and
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they were into pop punk. I was in the metal. So it probably
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kind of explains how the way we sound now. Yeah, yeah, it
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does make sense. You know. What's kind of funny around like sort of
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that like convergence of getting like pop punk artists with like the metal world.
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A couple of years ago, Colin and I were at Furnace Fest. I
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don't know if you've heard of furnace Fest or anything, but Furnace Fest a
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couple of years ago. They had like a like sort of a pre show,
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so it was like the day before the festival actually started. So there's
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a few bands playing at this like local club, and one of the bands
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is called Evergreen Terrence. Actually I think they're from Yeah, they're from Florida,
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right, Yeah, the the drummer and I don't know if he's been
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in the band for a while or not, but the drummer for Evergreen Terrence,
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you know, which is like, you know, pretty like great like
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metal band. He used to be the drummer for Yellow Card. Like it's
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like super cool to see, like, you know, I'm sure he got
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his start playing probably playing like metal drums in different metal bands around like his
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area, and then obviously like Yellow Card kind of like pops off and like
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that's his career for a while, and then now you know he's doing metal
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stuff for for Evergreen Terrence, and so it's just really cool to see like
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you know that like artists, you know, just will have like this like
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different convergence of you know, they're just a part of like all these different
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scenes in really just about like who do you know? It's exactly that and
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the world is so much smaller than and you would really ever think like there's
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there's so many connections between all these different types of music and and yeah,
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a lot of the players are all the same, so it's it's fun.
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It's interesting. Yeah, Like Mason and I just went to Pod the other
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night and their drummer was the drummer from Suicide Silence. I mean that's a
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very very different, yeah, very very different genre, which is actually something
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I'm kind of curious with you because I feel like if you start off in
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a more technical style of drumming, like death metal, do you find that
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that's helped you, like with chops and stuff like that. Do you think
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it like gave you like a little bit of a leg up, like,
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Hey, I have to be this good, I have to keep my time
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this much better in a death metal band, and so it helps me now
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that I'm in a post hardcore band. Yeah, true, like definitely,
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certainly, certainly because just the the stuff that you are asked to play in
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death metal is just a bit more difficult. Not saying that it's better or
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anything like that, it's just, you know, like fast blast beats are
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harder than like, you know, just basic you know pop punk drums,
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right, they're just it's harder. But I mean even there's just so much
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as time goes like there's more and more like metal influence, particularly in drumming.
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I feel like there's more metal influence in in like pop punk now than
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there's ever been. And I like, I don't know if you guys remember
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the old drummer from Neck Deep. He's not in the band anymore, but
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he was like such a ripper, so good, and he was like clearly
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like a metal guy, like just straight up linear fills and like you know,
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just like sick putting blast beats and like different subdivisions and stuff. And
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I always love that. I love putting in you know, something that stylistically
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doesn't really doesn't really work or what you think doesn't really work, but really
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when you put them together, two totally different genre from two totally different genre
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genre spears that it like kind of goes together in a cool way. So
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that's just what I'm always into. Ye, yeah, I mean even Aaron
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Gillespie toured with Paramore for a while, right, so he you know,
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he's got like that metal core background and him having that sort of influence,
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and you know, when he was touring with Paramore, and I don't think
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he ever recorded with them, but you know, certainly I would imagine his
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tour drumming would have like some sort of you know that style of like more
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metal core, uh when when he's playing Paramore songs, which I think would
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have been really cool to see. Totally yeah, totally great. Yeah,
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sweet, do you feel like the do you feel like the drummer always gets
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like the short end of the stick that no one ever wants to talk about
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drumming for some reason? Because for me, like it's like the thing I
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want to talk about most. Oh, because I find it fascinating when I
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go to a show, I watched the drummer first and foremost. I don't
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watch anyone else on stage except for the drummer, mostly true. Yeah,
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yeah, it's totally like you mean, you have a symbol on your wall.
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I'm guessing you play drums right, very poorly, very right. Yeah,
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I think that, you know, Like, I mean, some some
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people don't even know that I'm in like I'm in Capstan, you know,
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like if I'm if I'm working merch or like if I'm just walking around and
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then I'm like with Anthony, our vocalist, people are like, oh,
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it's like Anthony and his friend, you know, so like which I totally
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like that. I don't. I really don't. Like I'm not in music
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to like be recognized or anything like that. So it's convenient for me,
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but I could imagine for like a lot of people it kind of sucks.
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Like if you if you want some recognition or whatever, you know, I
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would imagine that sometimes that can suck. Yeah. Yeah, So you're not
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gonna go with the Tommy Lee rod is what you're saying. No, No,
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not gonna not going to Tommy Lee rout. That's like making me wonder,
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like are there any bands where the drummer might be more recognizable than like
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any of the other guys in the band. Like honestly, Aaron Glasbie we
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just talked about him, but he might be maybe the most famous guy out
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of Under Oath probably, Oh, but I mean he also sang a lot.
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But yeah, yeah, because he did like all the clean singing.
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So but yeah, I don't know. Is Neil I would say, Neil
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Pert from Rush Neil p Yeah, yeah, definitely Phil Collins from Genesis,
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but also he also he also did the singing thing, right, I'm trying
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to think like in modern time, I mean, I guess maybe, like
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I don't when Luke Collins was in the Word Alive, maybe I don't know.
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Sure, I don't know. But again, there probably was a time
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where more people knew who Joy Jordison was than they knew who Corey Taylor was.
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Oh that's totally true. Early on yeah, early on time. Yeah,
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you're right. I can't think of another though. Yeah, so there
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is a little precedent. But you know, if you want to keep more
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of the anonymity, all the more power to be Yeah, it's uh,
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it's just you know, I don't it's because then it's all like social media
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and all that, the whole game, and you gotta be you gotta be
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on your phone six hours day, not from you. You got bathrooms to
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renovate, right exactly. It worked on somebody, is what you're saying.
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Yeah, I guess, so, I guess. So, well, let's
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uh, let's talk about yeah, more about cap saying uh yeah, like
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what was kind of the I don't know, like when you think back to
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some of those early years of your work with them, like what what what
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do you think back like did it feel like one of these things where it's
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just like we're we're just trying to get like things together or did you think
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right away like oh this this feels like a legit thing, like this feels
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like something that could be more than just like a fun hobby or whatever.
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Like what at what point did it kind of feel like this is this is
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really a real thing and we got something here. Yeah. I mean it
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started a long time ago. I mean probably like ten years ago now,
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but yeah, just like playing local shows, we get like, you know,
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people interested in us like that would just hit us up like through the
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internet and we're like, oh, this is because Capstan totally started as just
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a recording project. To two of the members went to Full Sale, which
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is like I don't know if you've heard of it, Full Sales down and
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it's like a recording They have a recording arts program and sure, so Capstan
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started as like just a recording project like let's you know, just have fun,
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release some stuff. We like whatever, who knows what's gonna do.
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So, like we all got our college degrees and whatnot, and we're like,
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oh, well, I guess people like this, so let's try going
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on tour, and then I guess that it just never stopped and then we
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we keep touring and yeah, so it just kind of gradually snow I wouldn't
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even say snowball, it's just it's been a gradual build for our whole career.
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It's just like every tour just a little bigger, just a little bigger.
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We've never had like that huge moment of like going viral or anything like
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that. So it's just been a constant slow build. Yeah. I've always
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said that if you can do something for ten years, you're going to be
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successful at it one way or another. Right, Yeah, true fact.
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Yeah, you guys started and probably what I would argue is the hardest time
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to start a metal band, and that was, you know, twenty twelve
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to two thousand and seventeen or so. That time period was the absolute doul
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drums of the scene. Right, everyone was getting out that was into it,
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and everyone that was into it was getting out. I mean, it
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was just it was, it was a rough time for it and you guys
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started. Then did you find that that that time period changed the way you
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guys wanted to take the direction of the group or what No, No,
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I I think like I think for us, it's always just been about creating
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something that we've never really approached it from like a people like this type of
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thing, so let's do this this type of thing to make It's never been
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reactionary for us. It's always just been what do I think is really cool?
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What do you think is really cool? Let's make something that we both
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think is really cool. And in a way like of course we've like refined
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just like songwriting techniques and things like that, like putting things together structurally.
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But it's again, it's never been like it's never been We've never set out
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to be like, let's write something like this or you know, this is
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really big right now, so let's do that, because anytime you're doing that,
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you're just like you're you're already you're already two steps behind. If you're
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trying to be yeah, you're you're already you're already too far behind, So
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don't even bother trying to catch it. Anyway, So just stick stay true
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to what you believe and what you think, what you like, and and
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if it's gotten me this far already, just you know, stick with it.
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Yeah, makes sense. Well, then obviously not only was like the
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entire industry changing in terms of just like what kind of music people were into,
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but also the industry was changing in the fact of how do people listen
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to music? H How did I don't know, I'm just curious, Like
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knowing that you guys were getting started around the time that like streaming became the
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thing. What was that like to like start a band in the midst of
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literally how do we even get music to people's ears? Like we still put
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it on iTunes? Do we put it on like a CD? Like what
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do we do? Knowing that the whole entire industry was changing in that way,
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Like what was that experience like when you're literally starting out a band.
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That's a great question, and really it was. It was a lot of
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throwing shit at the wall, you know, just like who knows what's gonna
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work. We did the whole thing, like going to work toward handing CDs
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out, We did, like we've every stupid marketing technique we've tried it,
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but again, like a lot of it, I mean to us, because
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a lot of our our a lot of our career has just been pretty di
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y the like streaming has just been really great for us. Obviously, not
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like I'm not saying that Spotify should shouldn't pay out more, because they absolutely
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should, but it's been great for us just because like we've been discovered there.
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And but again, like you know, like you're saying, it's the
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move toward digital to digital streaming, no one knew what it was gonna how
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it was going to be, Like how how do you sell records? How
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how do you recoup an album budget from from this? Like in the in
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that way, and I think, I mean, it's just the way the
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world is, and the world's just that's why budgets are getting smaller and recording
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is becoming cheaper and all these huge, huge, drastic change just in the
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music industry, like it just compared to ten years ago. But yeah,
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sorry, that was a little long winded way of talking about that. But
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it's, uh yeah makes sense to us. I mean, it's it's it's
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such a challenging industry the way it is. I'm curious how you're how you're
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renovating your bathroom right now? Personally? Oh yeah, it's uh well,
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but most of it's done. I did some mosaic tile flooring. What I
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mean by that is how, like, like, what do you do to
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make money for that? Because I mean, streaming probably isn't gonna pay for
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that, right, Oh no, I mean we I mean yeah, we
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get a I mean we we we do, Okay, I mean it's not
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it's not like it should be more for the amount of streams that any band
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gets, you know what I mean. It's because yeah, but like there's
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so many other revenue streams, Like there are other revenue streams obviously, like
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merge all these things. Like it's it's such a multi faceted game. Now
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it's not about like you know, in the seventies, you could just go
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into a studio and make a record. Now you have to be like how
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do I how do I you target my merch sales? You know, it's
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like it's like I just know to play drums, dude, Like like I've
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had to figure out how to how to market my little business. Like it's
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insane, but it's all it's all great, Like but uh yeah, It's
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is one of those revenue streams for you, uh, being a Greg Pusciato
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impersonator. Damn, No, do I do I sound like him or something?
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Do you not? I think you look exactly like him, especially from
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like twenty twelve. Damn. Really that's sick, that guy, especially if
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you had a little bit of a mullet, if you had just a small
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little mullet going on, I think you look exactly like him. Damn.
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All right, Colin, do you not see this right now? Do you
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not think he kind of look a Greg pushiado, Yeah, I gotta see
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it. I've never gotten that one before, really, no, never.
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I'm like, I'm actually really surprised because I'm like, you could probably actually
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make money doing this. I mean, I don't know how. I mean,
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he's not like that famous where you could just be like, you know,
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like an Elvis a personator kind of thing. He's not that famous as
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Elvis, but still, like, who knows, maybe maybe when when you
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know, scene kids are old and have a lot more money, maybe maybe
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then they'd be like, come to the Dillinger Escape Plan cosplay event, like
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they got it sold out in Vegas. You just gotta get a you just
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gotta get a nose ring and you have to plunge that v neck a little
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bit, oh sue, Yeah, and then you gotta show off those packs.
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Yeah. Yeah, Well I gotta hit the gym a lot more if
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I'm trying to do that. It. Well, let's talk about the new
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album. Uh, you know again, you guys have released a number of
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music over the last number of years. But yeah, was there anything in
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this album in particular, maybe sound wise, where you're like, oh,
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we're gonna try like something a little different, Like obviously, uh, you
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know, you don't want to like drastically go from like pop punk to like
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just a straight up, like I don't know, hip hop album. But
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I would imagine like from each album you're trying to explore something a little different,
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do something a little different. Was it What was the kind of maybe
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new thing you were trying to do in this album that you guys haven't really
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explored before. Yeah, that's a great question too. I think from a
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philosophical standpoint, I would say that we kind of so would separate our last
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album before this one. We did like it was more focused on like let's
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kind of let's make the album more cohesive and like you know, and obviously
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that one has some weird songs on it too, But after that we were
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like, Okay, we know how to write, like we know how to
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do three chorus songs, and like obviously, like you know, the bread
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and butter of songwriters, like you know, having a solid chore progression three
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and then structuring songs in a particular way this time and which is is quite
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distinctly different than like our first album on Fearless Records called Rest's Heart Keep Running.
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That one's more like an experimental post hardcore record kind of like kind of
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doing whatever we want and mixing genres within songs. So with this record,
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we kind of wanted to go back to that like genre mixing type thing,
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but we wanted to do it where it wasn't mixing within songs but within or
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within songs, but at like songs could be mixed or how can I say
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that, Yeah, track by track exactly, so like you know, I
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wouldn't they wouldn't be a death core song and a pop song in one,
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but they could be back to back, uh. And that that idea,
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that idea kind of went hand in hand with the concept of the mosaic,
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and when we kind of married those things and like we came up with the
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fact that they kind of go together really well, We're like, oh,
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this just totally makes sense. This way, we can make whatever. We're
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gonna make whatever song we want, and if it's good enough, we'll put
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on the record and it'll work. It'll work really well with this concept.
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And then we wrote the final track that kind of ties them all together.
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Yeah, So it was that was the distinct difference with this one, was
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that we were like, we're going to jump out of the box and we're
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going to make songs that don't even sound like us, but we're gonna do
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them in the way that we want to do them. And then you know,
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with Anthony singing and like Joe playing guitar, like you'd be like,
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oh, this is cap stand but like I've just never heard them sound like
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this. So that was the that's the real creative difference. I think.
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So as the drummer, I feel like you have to be the glue that
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kind of pulls the the full listening experience together. So track by track,
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I mean really, to me, at least, it feels like it's a
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drummer's job to like really make sure that there's some sort of cohesiveness between song
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and song. So how do you how do you make it so you don't
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like overplay on one song and then the next song like all of a sudden,
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you're two pulled back. How do you how do you bring enough energy
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in to make every song at least sound like it's on the same record.
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Oh true, I mean we kind of approach this one with that, like
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we're like, we don't want it to like, we don't want them kit
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toned to be the same on every every track. Cool. Yeah, we
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went into it with a totally we're like this song want we want this these
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drums to sound like this. So we recorded them in a way that was
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just different. You know. We did a lot of different like micing techniques
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and a lot of you know, switching switching stuff to make it sound the
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way we wanted. Uh yeah. So it was more of just again,
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like the concept of a mosaic is, you know, like distinct pieces that
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are completely different from each other. So in that way, we were really
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trying to marry the concept. I guess sure. Sure, what was the
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most challenging song to maybe write or record in this album, given the fact
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that you obviously are exploring so many different genres from track to track, what
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was the one that felt maybe maybe you personally or maybe as a band,
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you're just you all are like, God, this is this This one feels
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like we're going through the ring or to get this one figured out. But
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yeah, yeah, what was the What was the song that felt like it
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was just the most challenging. There are a couple so and they're all gonna
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be quite different. One was the one that was like, I wouldn't even
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say hard to to write. The one that was really hard to write was
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what Can I Say, which is like the banjo little banjo pop track,
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country pop track. That one was before before the record came out, before
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we even like started recording it. It was written like in a totally different
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way. It sounded like a Frank Turner song or like so like and it
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was sped up quite a bit. It was quicker or like, it sounded
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like a Frank Turner like my Keem Black Parade song kind of. And then
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obviously we're like, this just doesn't I just didn't. We didn't think it
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worked really well, so we kind of took it back to the drawing board
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kept the same, like the same lyrics and melody, and then we're just
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like, let's just totally change the totally changed the structure and changed the inspiptation
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totally. And then that came out and we're like, oh, this is
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sweet, like and then we you know, obviously put that right back to
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back with Malach and then it's kind of yeah, it's just a lot of
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fun. Yeah, it does sound fun. I as a as a drummer,
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I can't imagine the whiplash that you'll be experiencing from genre to genre,
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song to song. Oh yeah, how do you deal with that? It's
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fun? Like, I'm also like one of the I'm also I write a
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lot of it too, so like I just love like I started writing it
24:41
and I'm like, well, I'm not I'm not gonna like, I'm not
24:45
gonna change this because I love the way it is. So I'll just figure
24:47
out the drums later, you know. Like it was a lot of that.
24:49
You know, that's cool. You said there was a couple challenging ones.
24:56
So you mentioned that one what are what we're like the other ones great?
25:00
Or what's it? What's the other one that you're like oh boy,
25:03
this this one is grueling to get through. Yeah, to revise the track
25:08
ten. That one, That one, it changed a lot. I remember
25:14
we were we're arguing back and forth about a tiny vocal melody, a vocal
25:19
rhythm rather and we argued about it for it seems like weeks. We were
25:23
working on the record for a long time last year, and we're like,
25:27
no, it has to be this way. And like I'm talking, the
25:30
difference between the melodies is like like if I would show if people were to
25:37
hear them back to back, you'd be like, these are the same thing,
25:40
like and they're so so minutely different. But like, we worked on
25:45
the record ourselves, so we had all the time in the world to like
25:48
just debate those things, which again, like I think that that kind of
25:52
was a double edged sword, so you kind of learn what is important and
25:56
what you can be like who cares. It's fine, Like in high I
26:00
should have been like I don't care, Like it's like, let's just keep
26:03
it the way it was. I don't care. But then you know,
26:04
we're arguing for weeks about it, and then yeah, so it Yeah,
26:08
that one was a tough one. That one changed a lot, And again
26:11
we were pigeonholed for like a couple of weeks about this tiny little sixteenth note,
26:15
like where does this thing start? It was yeah, wow, So
26:19
would you say that you or anyone else in the band is a perfectionist?
26:25
I think those kind arguments, Yeah, I think. I mean, yeah,
26:30
I don't even know if it's it's perfection I don't. I wouldn't even
26:33
call it being a perfectionist. I think, like, I think it's more
26:37
of just like you get married to something in your head and you're like it
26:41
has to stat Like if you spend a really long time thinking about something and
26:45
then it doesn't exactly it's not exactly the way you you imagined it would come
26:51
out, It's like why not? You know. And I'm like if I
26:55
if you have infinite time, you're just like working on the record at home,
27:00
you totally have the You're just like, Okay, well let's drill down
27:03
and like, let's really dig in here. What's wrong with this? Do
27:07
we need to change the like dick, you know? And how many times
27:10
did I rewrite an eight await part? You know? It's like it's like
27:12
things that don't even matter. It's like it's fine. It sounds good and
27:17
Harry Harry engineered the whole record, the guitar player, he engineered everything,
27:22
and he's like, dude, just leave it. It's fine, and like
27:25
it's just a revision. Infinite revision syndrome. Is that one thing where like
27:30
you know, maybe years from now and you and Anthony like just pisss you
27:34
off or something, and you just like you can come back with him about
27:37
like he remember that time you like delayed this song for like four weeks because
27:41
like you couldn't figure out the two differents, like the two or whatever.
27:48
Like just just like you know, just do that like really naggy like thing
27:52
where you just like bring up this thing. Like I would imagine like those
27:56
little things happen all the time in bands, h and obviously like because fans
28:00
aren't like a part of that process, like fans don't know about it.
28:03
But I would imagine like every band like has like those little tiny kind of
28:07
caddy fights that happened that uh that you know eventually get resolved or whatever.
28:11
And that's fine, and I'm sure, like you know, if you're a
28:14
good human, you're going to figure that shit out. But I would imagine
28:18
like there's those all those little moments for every band. Oh certainly, certainly,
28:22
just like mostly just totally stupid. Like it's just totally dumb. But
28:26
like you know, you if you spend so much time with someone like that,
28:30
it doesn't matter who it is, it doesn't matter how much you love
28:32
them, like you're still gonna be like that pisses me off, Like you
28:34
know, but yeah, no, Mason and I have that same thing here
28:38
on the Yeah, I mean that's pretty much all our conversations. Remember that
28:41
time that you brought up blah blah blah blah blah, like last week.
28:45
I was like, Mason, remember that time that you forgot to release an
28:48
episode and then we asked the guy to come back. Wait, is that
28:56
that's a real thing. Oh no, we did an episode and we forgot
29:00
to release it all together, and and I was like in the midst of
29:04
like getting a new computer, so like somehow that that old file of that
29:10
episode just like did not make it to the new computer. So it's gone
29:14
forever. Oh no, yeah, so uh that's one of our marriage fights.
29:19
It's one of many of our marriage fights that we were mad at him
29:22
or something like that. And then you're like to your guess you're like,
29:27
yeah, and you keep it up and we delete it again. We did
29:30
say that. Got Yeah, well let's talk about just like yeah, tour
29:38
stuff or you know, whatever you guys are going to do to to promote
29:42
the album. But yeah, like, can people see you on the road
29:45
here sometime soon the band is on the We're on the road right now with
29:51
Belmont and Can't swim. Hell, I'm at home. We have a fill
29:53
in. It's very sick. You can find the dates anywhere. And then
30:00
we have another another tour. Yeah, I guess if this I think it's
30:03
being announced on June fourth. Oh yeah, this will be way later than
30:08
that. Oh cool. Then yeah, we're we're actually going we're going out
30:11
with Crown the Empire as well. So hell yeah nice. So are you
30:15
going to be on that tour at all? I will be on that one.
30:18
So praternity leave does not last very long for you. It sounds like
30:22
it does not. It does not there, Yeah, they're exactly, They're
30:26
like, get her out here, time to play drums. You know,
30:30
I hear those bands in Sweden, you know, the drummers at least get
30:33
a year off. See yeah, I yeah. The the workforce rights have
30:40
not caught up here someday. Well, hopefully we'll see you guys soon,
30:47
either on obviously the tour that's going on right now or in the future.
30:51
Super stoked to to see cap stand Yeah, doing your guys thing. Obviously,
30:56
I would imagine like playing the new the new songs is going to be
30:59
super super Yeah, I'm excited. We we've played a couple so far,
31:03
like I'm the last two we did, and we're playing a couple on this
31:07
tour, but we're gonna play. Yeah, I'm excited for whenever we headline
31:11
again and then get to play like, you know, deep cuts, That's
31:14
what I'm excited for. Nice. Nice. Should we get into the top
31:21
five most influential albums of your life? Yeah? Sure, I don't go
31:26
i'mnna have to. I'm gonna have to dig deep here. This is I'm
31:30
going back in time here, I don't remember. Yeah. Well, to
31:33
help you out, generally, the most influential are like albums that changed you
31:37
as a person or as an artist. And if you can, if you
31:42
can think back to that moment where like music really like grabbed you for the
31:47
first time, You're like, WHOA, what album was that? Definitely colors
31:52
By Between the Barry and Me. That was, Oh, that's a great
31:56
record. Really the boundaries of what prog music was at the time. That
32:02
one definitely like. I was like, oh shit, you can do whatever
32:06
you want in music. You don't have to follow any rules. It's all
32:08
made up anyway, do whatever you want. So yeah, definitely colors By
32:13
Between the Barry and Me. God, there's so many I like, and
32:16
then there's all these like I like even like a Brief Inquiry to underline relationships
32:23
by the nineteen seventy five like that one also very influential as like an artist
32:30
and a producer. That one like, really it's like, damn, they
32:32
did a lot of really cool stuff on that. There's just so many.
32:37
I don't know, I really like to five records. Yeah, well,
32:44
hey, you know what, you're having a child here soon. Maybe there
32:46
was a consummating album. Damn. Yeah fuck yeah, you definitely were.
32:59
Yeah, some boys to then there we go Classics. That's definitely definitely classics,
33:06
Boys the Men, Men to Dads. Yeah, that's what exactly.
33:12
Yeah, I don't I don't know, man, there's so many, so
33:14
many good records over the years, but yeah, I would say like that.
33:17
Oh uh, I don't know so some that like really as a musician,
33:22
give me Amberlin, Never Take Oh oh god, that album is fantastic.
33:30
Yeah, so good. That one's great. I played. I beat
33:35
the hell out of that one. I listened to it so much. Wasn't
33:38
I think their drummer it wasn't for Never Take uh Friendship Personal, because I
33:43
think that was their second album, but the first album. I think when
33:45
they recorded that, their drummer was like sixteen years old or something. Think
33:50
his name is Nathan, right, but he was like so young when he
33:54
and so you know, Never Take Friendship Personal. What was probably a couple
33:57
of years later, So I mean I bet he was like almost like maybe
34:00
in high school or just graduated high school and they're still like, you know,
34:02
they're making that kind of album. It's just like nuts, how young
34:06
he was playing, you know, making like this incredible music with Amberlin.
34:10
Yeah, dynamic drummer definitely had so much control over over volume and man,
34:17
beat the drums harder than just about anyone, and then I was able to
34:21
soften it up and make a nice beautiful sound too. It's just it's incredible.
34:25
Yeah. I just those those two records really the first one two is
34:31
really excellent. But yeah, they're a great band. They've been doing it
34:35
forever and they're still doing it really well. I get oh. I also
34:39
loved one that really really super influential to me was I don't know if you
34:45
ever listened to it, Forgetting Not Slowed Down by the lion K. Of
34:49
course that record. It is such a slept on record though, Like that
34:54
one. People are like they it's like lost in the shadows of the on
35:00
the one right before at four scores or yeah, five scoring, but yeah,
35:05
yeah, yeah, it's like lost in the shadow of that one,
35:07
and its like Forgetting a slow Down is such a banger record, like oh
35:13
so good. I definitely like it more than five uh five score, But
35:17
I will say that I mm hmm is like by far my favorite Relying K
35:22
album, But never Forget or Forget Not slow Down is gotta be number two
35:28
for me. It's so so good and mm hm was really great too,
35:31
like some of it, like I was just re listening to I was just
35:36
relistening to some of that record, like I don't know, six months ago,
35:39
and some of the stuff they were doing on is like really cool,
35:43
like I'm like, damn, I don't even remember it, being like some
35:46
of it's like oddly proggy, and like, wow, that's an interesting choice,
35:51
Like yeah, uh what what it was a single but not a big
35:58
one hatchet? What was it called? What I'm talking about? I'll for
36:04
forget that slow down? No no, no, no? Oh but Berry?
36:08
Yeah? Okay on m hm. I was like, which which of
36:12
us? I always forget the band? Yeah, the names, but yeah
36:15
that that one, that one like goes really heavy in the chorus if I
36:20
remember right, it does. Yeah yeah, And I was like, yeah,
36:22
wait which to Barry also the hasht Yeah that's yeah, yeah that one,
36:25
and dude, I was re listening to it like it's six months ago,
36:28
and I was like, this is so interesting, Like this band is
36:30
so good. But I'm yeah, big reliant k fan. Uh that record
36:36
definitely definitely switched it up. Do you have like another I'm trying to think
36:42
that if that was like four? Do you have four? All right?
36:45
For the last record, I'm gonna go dog Problems By the format, Oh,
36:50
I don't know if I really listened much to the format, Like I
36:52
know the name, but oh dude, it's I mean, it's it's super
36:57
old, so like you know, came on in the mid two thousands,
37:00
but donald problems. It's also like it's a pop very poppy but just interesting.
37:07
And they have like full horn section, full string section, super really
37:12
cool production. It was I don't know if you know like that guy Nate
37:15
Rush. Yeah, wasn't he like in fun? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
37:22
he was in the format before that. Oh okay cool. I didn't
37:25
realize that. Yeah huh. And he's got like such a like such a
37:30
great sense of like that sort of pop sensibility, like he just is.
37:37
And you know, there's there are a lot of artists out there in the
37:38
world that like really have that kind of pop sensibility figured out or just like
37:43
knowing how to make something an earworm, and certainly he's one of those people.
37:47
Totally totally. And then I got one more. It's the honorable mention.
37:52
Sorry I didn't give you enough metal, So I gotta go Nocturnal by
37:54
the Black Dollary Murder. Oh yes, bang a record. Uh isn't that
38:00
the isn't Black Dalli and Murder? They don't? God, what didn't there
38:07
got one of their guitarists get into like glass Cloud wasn't he like in class
38:12
no doubt? Do you know what I'm talking about? Oh I'm not sure.
38:16
No, Yeah, you're you're correct, Yeah, Black Vaalu Murder.
38:21
They're guitarist. But who was that guy from Glass Cloud that was like super
38:28
God? What was his name? Anyway? He was like such a credit.
38:34
Yeah, they were kind of like a short lived prog metalcore band.
38:39
What was his name? Totally nice anyway, Oh, Joshua Travis. He
38:45
was in Tony Trapp Dad Tony Dan's a trap dance extravaganza. If you know
38:50
them, Yeah, yeah, I remember them. Yeah. I think they're
38:52
still touring, which is really sick. Yeah yeah, and then I think
38:58
he was in a mirror as well. Oh damn. Yeah. So anyway,
39:02
but like a lot of you know, that's sort of like prog battle
39:05
stuff is just like the technicality of some of those, both from the drummers
39:08
and then obviously the guitars is just like next level for sure. And that's
39:15
kind of why I fell in love with it, is like I love technical
39:17
music, but you know, like I love pop and at least now all
39:21
that's I don't have anything between it, Like I either want to listen to
39:24
like death metal or like super heavy stuff, or I want to listen to
39:29
like Ariana Grande, like there's no no middle ground anymore. Yep, I
39:34
get that. I get that. Sweet. Well, what do you want
39:37
to plug? Scott? Obviously, new new album tour going on right now,
39:42
a new too, a gonna be coming up here soon. Yeah,
39:45
what all else do you want to announce? Yeah, we released a new
39:50
record called The Mosaic that came out May twenty fourth. It is out everywhere
39:54
all streaming platforms. There's eighteen songs, double record. It is very long,
40:00
but rewarding, I hope. So yeah, check that out anywhere you
40:04
can. Yeah, that's that's it. Sick and then coming to a city
40:07
near you, right yeah yeah, If not, yeah, but yes,
40:12
coming to a city near you at least at some point. Just go to
40:15
our website, check out our dates we are touring. Love it, love
40:19
it, Sick? Anything else you'd like to plug? Yeah, there's a
40:24
yeah, Yeah, there's a a new thing. I'm a drummer, right,
40:29
So it's they're neuralink adjacent. I don't know if you've heard of this.
40:34
Have you heard about this? The thing where they like implant the thing
40:37
in your head. Yeah, but this is a I guess like for muscle
40:42
fibers. So yeah, so I'm I'm try doing this trial where they're they're
40:47
inserting like I guess they're like like a chip or something. It's not a
40:52
chip, they're like lines. They're like not wires, but they like impact
40:57
your nerves. So I'm trying. I'm I'm thinking, and from the reps
41:00
I've talked to you, they said that this is really gonna increase how how
41:06
I can play on drums because we have some really fast songs coming out soon,
41:10
and from what I've heard, this is like gonna be the next thing
41:15
for us. So I'm really big into like a I was able to move
41:16
your muscles faster than what you normally would be able to move them. Yeah,
41:21
exactly, I'm yeah, it's yeah, neural linka Jason, It's gonna
41:24
be really cool. You should maybe try to put some of them in like
41:28
your legs and like become the next Usain Bolt. That would be cool,
41:32
or perhaps even the next RoboCop. Oh there we go, Yeah, like
41:37
a million dollar man kind of thing. I mean, you know, I'm
41:39
sure, Capstan, I'm sure you enjoy it, but like seriously, if
41:43
like I had that kind of technology available to me, I'm sorry, but
41:45
like I'm not using it to drum for capstand I'm gonna be using it to
41:50
become the next like Usain Bolt. Yeah yeah, right, yeah, maybe
41:54
there is yeah or maybe Mike Michael Phelps thing is in my future? Are
42:00
you able to like, like, if they put like enough wires whatever,
42:04
does that make it like you faster? Or is it just like it all
42:07
is like some sort of or not wires, but the thing that they put
42:09
in you does it like is it if it's like the more you get of
42:14
them, the faster you are, or is it like how does that work?
42:16
No? I guess I guess that it is. It's more like a
42:22
net, So they kind of just put one on you, right, So
42:25
it's okay, Yeah, so I'm not sure. I guess there's mixed results.
42:30
So okay, we'll see. I'm not sure. Sick Well, I
42:35
mean, if you get so fast, you might as well just go right
42:37
back into black metal or death metal. Yeah, I mean I might.
42:40
That's I'm trying to transition out of this band anyway. I mean, I
42:44
don't blame you. I mean pot Pog Bully take you so far, but
42:47
death metal that will take you to New Heights facts. That's right. Sweet
42:52
Well Scott, thank you so much for chatty Moore a little bit about your
42:54
history in music and Capstan and then obviously talking about new album. Hopefully we'll
43:00
catch you guys sometime soon, so especially when you guys come through the Midwest.
43:05
So thanks so much for chatting awesome. Thank you so much, man,
43:08
appreciate it.