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Talks to Dylan Rees about his choice of The Dalek Invasion of Earth (5/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Doctor Who commentary podcast gonna ask me?
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How I came up with that ridiculous file.
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How did you come up with that? Ridiculous title, it's a great
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question. Thank you very much.
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Do you know what the quote is, right?
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I do. Yes.
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Tom Baker, I got Soviet another boy but I can't remember what
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story is. Type is selling guess.
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I all that some fantastic people say that ridiculous title for a
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podcast. My Gary Russell sire.
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One time. I've been told if you don't say
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it honestly and without a hint of irony as well, you know.
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Can I ask you a question about the theme tune?
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Where is that? You know, that's not me please.
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That guy can sing. Have you heard me trying to sing
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on this thing? I've not know one episode.
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Right, I did have a cover of Going Underground to an episode
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of Of the invasion of the dinosaurs and I did my own
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lyrics All About Professor Whitaker and his time travel
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experiments. Well, it's going to seek out
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invasion of dollars dinosaurs episode 5 and I'll show absolute
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Zinger and then you'll never ask me again.
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If I did the tiles he couldn't have a problem.
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No it's it's a friend of mine. Who really just fell in love
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with the Pogo straight away and he was like, this is crazy.
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Like you just intro and there's no music.
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Can I can I do you like a thing? So, I was like, yeah, can I pay
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you for it? If I'd only money just just use
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it. And I'll, I said, all right, I
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thinking, what the hell are they going to come?
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I was going to be bloody Dreadful, you know?
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And because it's a gift, I've got to use the thing and then it
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did it. I was like, wow, that's really
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fabulous tick and people say to me now is like Aquas.
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Barbie it goes around in her head all day long.
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It's a very catchy theme tune and like sometimes that's all
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you need. Hmm.
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Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean like some podcasts
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it is just like a couple of seconds or a little Jingle the
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beginning and things like that, sometimes over at all, there's a
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fantastic one called lazy Doctor Who, which is Erica from Vera.
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See, and Stephen from Radio free skaro and they just say hello.
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Erica. Hello, Steven.
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And then they start. That's it.
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Yeah. How did yours come about them?
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Well, II actually change. I mean, I just trying to find
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different versions of theme tune but I change it.
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Series. So the first one is like I think
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it's kef McCulloch and Sylvester McCoy on the spoons, doing a
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version of the things in podcast and then I use an old 80's
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convention one and now we're currently using the dimensions
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and Time theme from the Cyber tech people and who knows what
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I'll use next. I actually already do, but can I
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just say right? Your podcast has got me through,
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many are in overnight shift over the last four weeks.
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That's very kind of uh, no worries.
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Thanks. For listening.
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I think my all-time favorite. I was the Shakedown Return of
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the sontarans commentary, obviously loved it because I'd
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already done a commentary on that else is there to say quite
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a lot. Apparently, the moment where you
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both say that Carolyn Ford isn't doing any acting at all as a
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crazy old drunken man. We lost my head on.
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Yes, of course. I really like me and Mark
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Donaldson from on the time lasted quite a peculiar episode
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where we looked at the musical careers of Doctor Who stuff
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which was how I mean it's quite a long episode.
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It's about an hour and a half an hour and 40 minutes, but we
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tried to get somebody from every era of Doctor Who and I hope we
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will see enough to walk, talk our way through it and then we
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did The Ultimate Adventure at the end because that's got
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musical numbers in it. Is this is business.
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I think we were both quite pissed by the end of it, if I
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remember correctly. And then, I also me when I was
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hosting it with my brother Jack, we did one where we covered the
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script for the unmade, the last of the time Lords film from the
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early 90s. And I just that was nice because
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it's just a bit of Doctor Who that nobody ever talks about it.
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So I think those are probably my favorites, but that we've done,
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but, you know, it's just it just really varies.
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Now, it kind of varies based The guests as well, but in terms of
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not in terms of quality, but in terms of what they wanted to
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cover and they want to pick like sometimes it can be quite a
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traditional safe thing. And sometimes people are like, I
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just did woman leak from alloy, which looks at we did some
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Torchwood. We did some Jago and light
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forward Twiggy covered some of his fan fiction and it was great
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fun. And that's just, it's kind of
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the luck of the stories. You never quite know what.
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You're gonna pull out of them. Not only to our fancy, they are
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soft link below. He came on.
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On this and did Love Of Monsters And the rings of akhaten and
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declared both of them, Absolute Classics and I love her.
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Well man, he's good. Isn't he last show me?
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His podcast has has stopped because it's a terrible shaking
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but he as he said he's happy to come on anybody's podcast any
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time. So I will always invite him back
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on too hot for TV. Are you listening everybody?
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Luke Malloy is ready to haul himself out on any podcast
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going. He's got a cheap side, snap it
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out. Yeah, it's on occupational,
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therapist. 05 should I do that? All right, I'm glad you didn't
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ask me what my favorite ones are.
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These were 500 of these out now. I don't expect me to remember, I
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mean, looking at your back catalog, I just feel lazy, but
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about 40 minutes, that's 500 do this.
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I've got about 15 of the big finish one out, I've got 52 of
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the starter at one out and I did the other one than our moon
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praise. And that's got another send the
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audience OHS. I mean, there's You say that
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what you thought that was quite longer an hour and a half?
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You do realize this thing's going to be about 3 hours long,
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your meter. Yeah.
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Very true. Very true.
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Yeah. But, you know, they get it in
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the little chunks. Don't know.
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Lets you and me, as well as should be fucking grateful,
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right? Exactly, exactly were doing the
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Lord's work. Go ahead and let's go into five,
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whose cancer, then you do it on. Okay, let's Press Play in 3, 2,
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1. Off we go.
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Although I do I have as I do, obviously, I do really love the
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ones. I've done with my behalf but
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that's only. Because that's how we met, you
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know, something like I lost that, it's a lovely story and I
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so it was Luke Malloy that actually got me into got me onto
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your podcast and I sort of checked out a few episodes and
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then I've just been a main vein has been ever since, you know,
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less you honestly, we had a slightly psychotic glaze in your
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eye. All the slippers back, we've got
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a new slit and a dude, look at these got massive long tentacle
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and Matt avoid sighs. He's been adjusted since last
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week due to people, not thinking it was scary enough and
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obviously it's yeah, he's a lot scarier now.
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And he now obviously, the Dalek 63 289 group have, obviously
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done a whole hog for that video on why the sliver change and how
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it changes and it's well worth a watch.
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If you're the sort of person like me, that needs that much
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information in their lives. May I say the amount of effort
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that they go into to in those videos, you know, like and that
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Victorian Street in talents working triang is Sarah nations
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are. Yeah, yeah, yeah boy.
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I'm like you've got study this stuff in some depth to find like
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these outside like that. You know the grazing on a Dalek
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bump to show you how that dialogue has been from Dalek
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invasion of Earth all the way through to remembrance of the
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Daleks. Yeah, it's wild.
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It's like, it's a level of research and unheard above that,
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anything that I would ever do. But worthy of must price.
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Yes, indeed. And I can sit here and watch
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stops here and talk about it and try and be halfway.
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See, that's the Lazy Man's podcast.
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So we've just missed the sliver actually fall to his death, like
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it was a short-lived career, but I guess the actor got to fees,
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right? Because it's the thing and he's
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got his faith in the Daily Mail. Yeah, he's into episodes and
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there's a lovely sound where the Slender falls to his death and
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it's just like that's my Lex Luthor impression that, it's
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incredible and we're double act. You and me, but seriously a
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sliver coupled with the slitherers, The Archers will
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just be the slivers, Billy's, back this episode.
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Yes. Now, look weird enough.
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I didn't, I genuinely did not notice his absence in the last
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episode, and that's because there are a lot of characters in
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this. And there's a lot going on.
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The boy a boy, he lights up the screen when he comes back,
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doesn't he? He does.
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He doesn't, you know, I'm surprised that modern doctor who
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doesn't do more doctor Light episodes, especially when you've
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got. Sorry, that's a fantastic shot
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there to robo, man. Peering down a sewer.
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Just although the one on the right looks like he's ganked.
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What's going on down here? Yeah.
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What's the basement Club in Berlin or something like that?
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Ready for an exciting night out, but yeah, I'm surprised.
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Why is the Doctor Who is filmed and stuff like that?
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Especially when you had a bigger cast and like the last few
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seasons doing dr. Light episodes, where you get
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all character lighter episodes where you don't feature people.
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So much is. I'm surprised they don't do that
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more. In order to sort of basically
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get more bang for your buck because you can double double
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bang can be. Did it shooting more episodes at
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the same time. I'm just because it allows you
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to be quite experimental as well.
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You know, the ones that they did turn left.
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Blink, love. Monsters.
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You know, they're, they're divisive story.
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Some of them but they're doing something a bit different.
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Yeah, they are. And I just think there's a lot
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more room for that sort of stuff and also just exploring the
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lives of the companions more with potentially without a huge
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kind of input of the doctor. But, you know, I'm not in charge
10:58
of Doctor Who. So then no one's asked me my
11:00
thoughts on or May and is a bloody good thing.
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I'm not as well as seen in practice ideas.
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When those two hot guys were kissing in the Tardis.
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Yeah. Not going on.
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There was a sequence are where they had to kill the robot men,
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in order to get away and it was, it was a proper kill or be
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killed like, you know, there was a desperation to talk to you as
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a really done much of that to this phone and also, you get
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William Hartnell coming out of a tunnel and beating one of the
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vicious mock-up when he gets guide.
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You so, you know, the Romans. Oh yeah, I know.
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I never buy the the doctors a pacifist I know.
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Some criticisms that have been leveled at the Jodie, Whittaker
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areas like how she lets a lot of people die.
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It's like the doctors always let a lot of people that I always
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it's just Baker. If he didn't do what they do two
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or three genocides a week, that was a bad way.
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William gnashes teeth, that sequence that rather comical
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sequence in the chase where he's fighting his own double.
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Yeah, he is. Basically a way.
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This William Hartnell got no one's going after my fucking job
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and he's got his stick waving around his head, but he's He's
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vicious. He is absolutely vicious and I
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love this touch of these two old women who.
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I mean the night, one of them sold the other ones.
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Not two, but four, they're just again, they're opportunists and
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they see this opportunity like to help the the Daleks in their
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own way and then they sell out Jenny and Barbara.
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Also, I don't know whether, you know, very sad story than the
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younger one, what's her name? Jean Conroy died before this was
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aired. Seriously Leisure, she died in a
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road traffic accident. So she yeah.
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This is a last work as an actor, you know, people are going to
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say, so not very popular but people mock that John Levine
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commentary in the time. Was to, do you remember where he
12:51
goes out about the baby? And it will at least he got to
12:54
be in Doctor. Who I think what?
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He's trying to very untapped Feliz.
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A is at least that person is immortalized and enjoyed.
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Yeah, laughter, they're deaf and I do think there's something in
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that. Yeah, no absolutely.
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I think It's just a little bit, the style of John Levine.
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Yeah, he got to be a doctor. Who has already died.
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No job. No, but, you know, I swear this
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is David Whittaker, all of this character stuff.
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I think then robo, man, brother, I think a lot of it.
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I think they did say the neither Terry Nation.
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It's in that it isn't a documentary.
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I think Richard Martin says it, that area Nation would write a
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lot of the during do a lot of the action adventure.
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A lot of the sort of world setting, then, David Whittaker
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would give it a once-over, right?
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And add a lot of the character stuff.
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That's a shame because I'm giving all the Chrome and it's
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Terry Nation, but you're probably right, we see.
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I I've always said you can kind of tell because from script
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Editor to script editor because Terry Nation did so much Doctor
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Who over so many periods, like when you get to sign of Genesis
14:05
of the Daleks suddenly he's doing like morally complex
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arguments that he's never done before.
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Destiny of the Daleks suddenly he's doing, you know, hitchhiker
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style gags, but he's never told, ya know, very true, very true.
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I'd be interested to see. We always talk about the
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original scripts, the original version of this but I know big
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finisher releasing this year that original Genesis of the
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Daleks, I'll be very interested to see what Terry nation's first
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version of that was like perhaps without any input from Robert
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Holmes. I'm headed over my wrath but I
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can also listen to those first drop these scripts.
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Me. And you know why?
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Because I'm scared of that original Jerry.
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Davis revenge in the seidman was better than the one we got, but
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I think the Genesis, the dark one is an interesting one and
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somebody, I know who works for big finish said that on the
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Genesis one day, DH Tom Baker's voice.
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You can sound like he did in the 70s, which is a small interest,
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I don't know, but it made the final thing.
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But I mean I hope so that be quite interesting to hear we
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seem to have gone down a mine shaft here we have, which I feel
15:22
may be pertinent to the plot. We are we're suddenly in a mine
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shaft with he and his mate. It's again, like they're just
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the story keeps on going and keeps on a revolving in a way
15:35
that you know, a lot of it does. Don't feel like there's any
15:39
padding in these six episodes because all the padding feels
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like if these little character seems like Barbara with the this
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old, the old Crone. So I never feel like we're
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really in a we're really treading water at all it's not
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going to make it very bizarre, sort tenuous link now between
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all Terry Nation story. So prepare yourself.
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They'll be what is Terry Nation obsession with going down in the
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Daleks, we head down into the city, in this, we have Got into
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the mines in the chase, we go downstairs into a radius into
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the city, its master plan, where did he come back o in the planet
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of the Daleks we head down there, all those Daleks under
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the in the ice cave, Genesis of the Daleks we head down into the
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bunker in Destiny of the Daleks, we head down into the city again
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and in the original version of Destiny of Genesis the dialysis
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coming out Harry Harry, Sullivan goes down on everybody and
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that's why they had to rewrite it.
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Love to see that version. Apparently he does great work on
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sightless he's pretty Manning is bisexuals are you know rearmost?
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Yeah, there's this that thing of I think it was it that revealed.
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It was it Nicholas Courtney or was it?
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Mr. Slater, I can't remember. But yeah, he's a parent.
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Oh, and Tom Baker, says an interview that you could just
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see it in his eyes whenever he was around other sort of queer
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men. So yeah, it seems like a very
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sort of well-built bloke. Yeah.
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Very intelligent but he was awfully fancy Bulger.
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He comes across lovely and the interviews I've seen with him
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and I'm sure but, you know, perhaps it wasn't a to do that.
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A man should be bisexual, especially not a Burly rugby,
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bloke, lighting back then, so perhaps what we weren't ready
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for it, then, where were we? So I mean, look at me, I'm so
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butch. But he said, yeah, I just don't
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want to know whether He just struggled with it a lot.
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I mean there's that we may have talked about this last time, but
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there's that inference. From Katie Manning isn't the
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Nichols, Courtney, was bisexual as well.
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Yeah. It's kind of sad, isn't it?
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So the had to be had to be hidden.
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What's going on here? They're grabbing load the
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baskets. Yeah I mean they're just they're
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just putting some stones in the basket you know.
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Well the old man looks like he's on death's toward but he is nice
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but damn that mine for a long time.
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They're just going to Chuck rest.
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And they're carry them out. That's what happens.
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I do, like I do, as this goes on, I do find the robomen more
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and more effective in a way that I thought, they were quite silly
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to start with. But I'm actually, they're
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actually growing on me a lot. I mean, I've already said to you
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about a scene later, on where the fella has to kill who, he
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kills his brother. Who's a robot, man, they kill
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each other and it's probably the bleakest scene.
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Yeah. Doctor.
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Who. When is it?
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Is it now? So, it might be right?
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Yeah, it is right now. Yeah, that's right.
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And he's literally firing bullets into his chest and the
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other ones strangling him. Yeah.
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And it's like, this is kids TV. It's just not.
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This is not a happy-go-lucky TV, show right there.
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I'll bless his name's feel like I don't think there's such a
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Monday night even the road. Yeah, it is.
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And they both give well he's giving it his all the other guys
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giving it his all What does it? What's it say?
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Honest Nick. There's something correctly.
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I think it's as charged, right? He's okay.
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Yeah, it's fully charged up. Yeah, now I'm wondering if that
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is something that the Daleks do, or whether that's something that
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the studio people did to go this one, the flashing light works on
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it, but when they put the numbers on the Daleks, in the
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he's trying to make him, remember his old life is going
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your wife, Angela, you know. Do you remember?
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Yeah. Bill and Angela.
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I sound like such a lovely couple.
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Larry came over every Christmas not anymore.
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Not anymore. That is really really Savage.
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Yeah. Like they're both selling us, no
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matter how silly the robo men can be.
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I think if you're seven years old in the 60s, that's up there
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with Night of the Living Dead. I'm giving her that.
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I mean, it's not, it's not like they're expecting people to go
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there, but you know, like there's me sitting there go, I
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am playing about in the garden when there were seven years old,
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having a great old time having no idea in the future, they were
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going to strangle and blow the shit.
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Ugh. Oh, this is the seduction scene.
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Here we go. Oh yeah.
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It's very exciting. I'm sorry if someone cannot be
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on me of a great. Slippery Fish.
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I'll punch you in the face. Yeah.
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Be like, you're not trying to fuck me.
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Hey, leave it. If you were, you're not, you're
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not getting it there, but I stopped fishing me, and start
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pissing me got a site, but I do believe they chemistry.
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Yeah, me too. Like I said, I wanted to take,
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you want to Equities with them for the rest of her all-time,
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but but I think if you're going to do this, like, set it up and
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make it, you know, authentic, don't just have layer and add
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red, hold hands at the end and go.
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Well, we're staying together. It's one of the more believable
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character, kind of companion exits.
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He sort of gently stroking. Her hand.
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They have a little kiss and then Harden comes in with a cracking
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line. Something's Cooking the of a
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kiss. You don't get that, you don't
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get it. Adam Doctor Who for about
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another 30 or 40 years? Probably really know Caroline's.
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Ford is very Adept with playing with that fish, isn't she?
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Oh, she slapped a few wet fishes around at.
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I'll start going down as well. I won't sleep tonight honestly.
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Now, I mean, even like Vicki, her Replacements like her,
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goodbye is just it's not foreshadowed at all.
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In the mythmakers, is it? No, this is, there is a sequence
21:54
where Stephen goes all, that that issue.
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Greek. And she's like, he's just my
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friend, you know, leave me alone.
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Yeah, yeah. Although the mythmakers is such
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a great script, I don't care. Is it is.
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But I mean, I don't think I'm Susan's point of view, or
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Vicki's. I don't know whether I would
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ever fancy. Someone enough to want to be
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trapped in an age. That wasn't my own that was in
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the distant past, because this is the distant past week, Susan
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Wright as well. Yeah.
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Like, I don't know, but I don't think the ending.
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Wants you to think that she thinks that the right decision
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has been made, because she just staring longingly where the
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Tardis was and she kind of can't even hold his hand properly
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because she she sort of she's holding you and he asks all
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dragged her off. Yeah.
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Maybe you're making us waste to ponder.
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Was that the right thing? It's it almost it's almost
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something that if you I mean it's a plot that you would hope
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would be Revisited if you were doing it now.
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But obviously, they didn't realize it.
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And then when she next meets our grandfather, it's in the Death
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Zone on Gallifrey. And she doesn't mention a single
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thing about David. Uh, don't even notice how he's
23:02
been recast, you know, I know. But she's got a lovely back on
23:06
that point. That's the main thing that is
23:08
true and she can still trip over a rock like that.
23:11
Stop. Oh, she can't she can't.
23:13
I really like the seen nowhere and I think this is where
23:17
Richard Martin's that it's best. We just puts a camera on the
23:20
actors are. Let's the max where Susan says
23:24
here at Davis. Got an idea for this and the
23:26
doctors. Like, do you think this young
23:28
man's got better ideas from each other?
23:30
Then David comes along and then he says David's idea and she
23:33
sort of hugs him. Yeah you can kind of see all the
23:38
beginnings. I like that's a bit I think when
23:40
I first watched This and I was going.
23:41
What's happening here? Like the dynamic between
23:46
Hartnell and Carolyn Ford here. It's just, I think it's really
23:50
fantastic in a way that I don't always pick up on it and some of
23:53
the other stories. Like, I really feel like they
23:55
care for each other in this one, and I believe that it's, you
23:59
know, that they are grandfather and granddaughter.
24:02
And, yeah, I still don't think it's a patch on the chemistry,
24:06
every more and O'Brien. No, not at all, which is why
24:08
gets over Vicky so soon, I guess.
24:11
Susan so soon sir what a marvelous replacement of my
24:14
granddaughter you are and you can act faster another obsession
24:21
with Terry Nation. You know caring about a lot of
24:24
rocks. He loves rocks loves - he loves
24:27
you, yeah, slaves. Those sort of things I'd love to
24:30
shop, doesn't he? Hey, just because I'd love to
24:33
see, like some of his other work in for his I.T, I.T cspi series
24:37
and see whether all these troops are still in it or whether it's
24:39
writing different. It's tough.
24:41
So, he'll tell me this wonderful story, right?
24:43
Where he wrote this story for one of the ITV I TV shows and
24:47
then he didn't have time to write another script.
24:50
So we just change the characters names and then wrote the same
24:53
script for another show. Incredible.
24:55
And yeah, I've no one noticed that exact, this was a little
24:59
biography, nobody noticed. That's um, that's amazing,
25:03
that's, that's fantastic. That's how much I would shown in
25:05
those things out the. So we're other that but they do
25:08
have like a bunch of sets for those like old tighty.
25:10
So you sure. Those and go right this week.
25:12
Danger man's doing this. This this and this, so in the
25:14
Champions or whatever you need to use the same sets in, that's
25:17
just how you do it and that does go to prove what an inspired
25:22
concept Doctor, Who was because you can't get away with that on
25:25
this know. The only for is that's the only
25:27
thing that gets reused a doctor who is that little triangle wall
25:30
in the 70s and the 80s that appears everywhere from the
25:33
Tardis to do? You know, the first story that
25:35
appeared in? Come on, trivia time.
25:37
I don't think I do. I'm talking about going to be,
25:40
I'll tell you a bit trivia, this isn't hit me.
25:42
Hit me. It's, the mutants, is it?
25:45
Why based in the mutants and the fellow goes on that, they kept
25:49
using that in every bloody Shogun.
25:51
And I get a penny for that Killians that fantastic wall.
25:56
You know, if you ever seen the ray Cusack interviews, when he
26:02
didn't get any money from the move in with her man?
26:04
Wasn't it wasn't bitter man. I can't.
26:06
I was listening to a podcast years ago and they said they
26:09
were attacking Venture with Ray Cusack.
26:11
And they were sat with him at the bar and the, you know, he
26:15
started whinging and telling your stories of being a better
26:18
man. And they were like, oh, this is
26:19
quite sad and quite interesting than he just started being
26:21
extremely racist. They were all there.
26:23
Okay, see you later Ray. I mean, the more I Brian says
26:27
that about honoured as a she and the she goes, you know, I loved
26:31
him. So I just sort of pushed it to
26:34
one side. Yeah.
26:35
I've heard people say about Michael Wisher as well but he
26:39
has Interesting. Political views, should we say?
26:42
Aye? It was a different time.
26:44
It was a different time. And you've got to think, like,
26:46
most of these people were born like, post what?
26:49
Which before the war most of them actually.
26:51
So it's like it was a completely different type of is that doll
26:54
it. Missing its sorry.
26:56
This is I've only just noticed it's visited missing its light
26:58
on its Dome, very possible. But like we just said, there
27:01
were making this in a hurry. Yeah.
27:04
Oh yeah, it is. Yeah.
27:09
Lunch. At this point.
27:10
They just said you just shoot this scene in mind.
27:12
I'll be back from the pie and chips and a bit.
27:14
Yeah, no, it's personal item. A very art.
27:17
So why are Barbara and Jenny now been taken away?
27:22
Oh, because they've they're going to.
27:23
They've got some very important news for the leader of the
27:25
Daleks. I don't know.
27:27
This is where she's going to talk about.
27:28
The Boston Tea Party is just great.
27:35
Okay, so does it does sort of feel like all of our characters
27:38
are coming to the same place now?
27:39
Yeah, like it's all ramping up, you know, we're getting ready
27:42
for a big finale. The Daleks are looking menacing
27:46
like, can I say that black garlic is pretty damn sexy.
27:51
You know, it's gorgeous. Absolutely gorgeous and that
27:53
little Hitler salute, one other dialects did just then, again, I
27:57
remember was achieved. What was the first time you saw
28:00
the Daleks? And what was your reaction to
28:02
it? I remember with my ex-husband's,
28:04
nice. Yeah.
28:05
I was very very close to and also, I'm going to get her into
28:08
dr. Lee, I'm going to get a Sunday
28:11
it as well and I gave her a Dalek toys.
28:13
She was about two years old and she would not stop touching it
28:18
all the sticks and the but she couldn't understand it.
28:21
It really like for me it's the first time I've seen a child
28:24
absolutely beguiled by this weird shape.
28:29
Yeah it's that thing that I think Terry Nation like
28:32
originally said, like he didn't want it to seem human.
28:34
How do you Make it not seem human and you remove the legs,
28:37
you move the arms, and you remove the eyes, and it's not
28:40
even like a cat or a dog or something like that if it's just
28:44
completely non-human. So you can see why giving that
28:47
to a child they do. What is this is like nothing
28:49
I've ever seen before and in some of their most visually
28:53
interesting things in this, I think you got lots of dollars on
28:56
the screen and the eyes are going and the sticks are going.
28:59
And there's lots of sort of weird movement, you're not quite
29:01
sure where to put your eyes, you know?
29:03
Yeah. Although I still think you know
29:06
that the animation, the second animation, they did of power of
29:10
the Daleks. Yeah, they smooth out all the
29:13
Dalek animation man. Oh man, and it's so gorgeous.
29:17
Yeah. So things Garlic's have ever
29:19
looked better than in that animation.
29:21
They look great in that and then like a few months later, the BBC
29:24
dropped their dialects animated online series.
29:27
Did you see that during lockdown?
29:30
Not much now because I ruined my mechanoids, I gave him these
29:32
weird female horses. Well, that's a given some
29:36
dialogue. Didn't they have end-to-end to
29:38
stop wasn't going to cut it with, there's your Nazi salute,
29:40
ya that shot there and it was yeah, my sort of Batman angle.
29:45
This is a really good shot as a really good shot, but that, the
29:48
Daleks in that BBC, animated thing, didn't look as good as
29:51
that second animated, Peridot Alex.
29:53
It was very odd. I don't, I don't feel like
29:56
anybody's quite nailed Doctor Who as an animation yet in any
29:59
kind of format that all the different things they tried over
30:02
the years from Dreamland to The animations for the missing
30:06
episodes I just and it's such an obvious idea as well.
30:11
Yeah, there's a series lends itself to it.
30:13
I'm very grateful that they've done them because I think adding
30:15
that visual element does give those chance.
30:18
Those stories are chance to sort of live in this day and age.
30:23
I find it very hard to sit through a telescope slideshow
30:26
refill. I mean I've done bad.
30:29
This story a million times on these but that time where my
30:31
ex-husband walked in and I was watching Stills on the TV.
30:34
So what are you watching? She photographs on the TV.
30:38
A doctor who stories? Yeah ended.
30:43
What was going on there? Oh, and I'm not quite at the
30:47
end. Yes.
30:48
Now I am. Yeah, it s between us am was in
30:52
a bomb about to be dropped out of mine.
30:54
Shaft next episode, flash point, we're still pretty exciting idea
30:58
in it. Yeah, well I guess we same
31:00
things that things are ramping up and we're headed for an
31:03
exciting climax with Susan. And David sigh exciting climax
31:08
is something. I'm very fond of.
31:11
Do you think this could be truncated?
31:14
Because obviously, the An hour and a half.
31:17
I think it was always reasonable.
31:19
I think there's always room to truncate classic Doctor Who and
31:24
I might have said this on the last podcast but I'm a big
31:27
believer in. If the animations come back.
31:29
I'm saying, truncate them, give me give me an hour and 20 minute
31:34
version of Daleks master plan, make a really tight exciting
31:37
animation. I know it's heresy.
31:39
So I asked second time on this very story that you've said
31:43
something that has made half of the ordinary, C-spine shop.
31:47
The other times when you said they need to remake these ocean,
31:52
I love it. I'm a man with controversial
31:54
opinions about this. You know I've Got a Friend by
31:57
citizen the gardening I did I've got a friend right?
31:59
I won't Nate and I will name him he's about to bring it has a
32:02
Blog Stephen be from the new to who podcast exceptionally clever
32:08
man. What he's doing?
32:09
Rubbing shoulders with me. I've no idea.
32:11
Clever bloke and he has taken it upon him.
32:15
You reimagine the entirety of classic Who in the style of the
32:22
new series with narrative arcs and I heard that and my blood
32:29
run cold and I was like, well, that's a chilling.
32:31
I'd what are you doing? You know, that is Harry.
32:34
Then he told me as ideas. I'll point you in the direction
32:38
of it when it comes out very soon.
32:40
There is like the White and the way he talks about it, so
32:43
passionately, and the way you bring Written characters like
32:46
the master and carnal stories and things like this.
32:49
It was absolutely inspired, I think.
32:53
Once people got over the initial shock of your idea of like, you
32:56
know, right Doctor Who's ended Long Live Doctor Who I could be
33:02
amazing. I think it could to, I think
33:05
this the so much to mine in sort of classic series that we've
33:09
kind of done the revisit at all, bring back the old favorite.
33:13
So what else is there to do now? Obviously, someone like Russell
33:16
T Davies has gone. I know what we can do and we'll
33:18
find out what that plan is in due course.
33:20
But for me, my I've just I Just be tempted to just go start it
33:25
all again doing the web planet. Now on, I would be absolutely
33:31
peaceful your trustee David st. See, things, you know what their
33:33
sector to, off-chip know, and I'm going to bring back the
33:36
beep. Everything, nothing's off the
33:39
cards. Now, nothing's off the car, it's
33:42
gonna be great. But for you and me yeah I think
33:45
we're heading for a flash point. We are heading for a Flashpoint.
33:48
Should we go and recharge our glasses and then return to this
33:51
very spot and A moment's time. Let's do it.
33:53
A moment's time. Let's do it.