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BEAUTY-QUEEN-CHEERLEADER'S CHILLING WORDS, BABY IN TRASH BAG DEAD IN CLOSET · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a beauty queen, cheerleader, once
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Speaker 1: crowned the fairest of the fair, chilling words after her baby,
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Speaker 1: her kneeborn is found wrapped in a blanket, then a
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Speaker 1: trash bag, dead in her closet in the last hours,
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Speaker 1: she walks free. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us. Lincoln
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Speaker 1: smelling a radiant beauty pageant queen excelling in her final
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Speaker 1: year of college. But is something dark hiding behind the pageant?
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Speaker 1: Smile something dark? There's a dead baby in her closet. Now,
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Speaker 1: if you want to call that dark, that's certainly putting
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Speaker 1: perfume on the pig. Joining me an all star panel
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Speaker 1: to make sense of what we are learning.
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Speaker 2: And I am stunned.
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Speaker 1: If another person, an adult, was found dead, wrapped in
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Speaker 1: a blanket, body in a trash bag hidden away, the
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Speaker 1: alleged purp would not be walking free right now with
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Speaker 1: a bedazzled ankle monitor.
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Speaker 2: But that is what has just happened. But let's start
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Speaker 2: at the beginning. Listen to this good.
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Speaker 3: Riversity joson County Bear. I am leading inside, leading in
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Speaker 3: his Nancy University of Kentucky and she's twenty years of age.
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Speaker 3: Her centerium just selling the worse made It EASi list
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Speaker 3: while also being a student adelete duty one adelete on
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Speaker 3: the stunty at a University of Kentucky one hundred plus
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Speaker 3: community service hours passed you honored around the Jerffsony County
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Speaker 3: R's student there and beginning to.
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Speaker 1: Represent her that is from the Jefferson County Fairest of
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Speaker 1: the Fair beauty paget that she won. But can we
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Speaker 1: get to right now and what leads up to the
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Speaker 1: discovery of a dead infant baby boy in her closet?
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Speaker 4: Listen Lincoln Snelling is entering her senior year on the
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Speaker 4: cheer stunt team at the University of Kentucky. Snelling grew
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Speaker 4: up in the small town of White Pine, Tennessee, where
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Speaker 4: she was a Jefferson County High School varsity cheerleader and
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Speaker 4: crowned Jefferson County's Fairest of the Fair. Snelling is a
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Speaker 4: self proclaimed real life Barbie with an all pink apartment,
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Speaker 4: Barbie jeep, and fabulous clothes and paget gowns to match.
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Speaker 4: Snelling has an entire Instagram profile dedicated to selling her
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Speaker 4: old wardrobe. Snelling reveals that she is dating another student
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Speaker 4: athlete well an impressive basketball career. Snelling brings her bow
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Speaker 4: home for Easter and over this summer post professional photos
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Speaker 4: with him.
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Speaker 2: Why do I care about the boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out who is the biological father
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Speaker 1: of this dead infant. And I'm completely intrigued curious about
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Speaker 1: why so many dead babies are first wrapped in a blanket,
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Speaker 1: a baby blanket very often, remember top mom Casey Anthony wrapped,
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Speaker 1: according to the state, baby Kelly in her favorite blanket
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Speaker 1: before putting her in a trash bag and throwing into
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Speaker 1: a trashy, litter ridden swamp area about ten houses down
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Speaker 1: from the Anthony home. Gee, I wonder who did that?
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Speaker 1: And I see it over and over and over. The
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Speaker 1: infant is wrapped in a baby blanket and left to
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Speaker 1: die or killed and put in a trash bag. There's
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Speaker 1: gotten to be some sort of psychopathy to that. But
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm also very curious. Straight out to doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, joining US high profile psycho analyst, author of deal.
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Speaker 2: Breaker on Amazon.
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Speaker 1: You can see her now on Peacock and find her
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Speaker 1: at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, I'm also intrigued.
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Speaker 1: What does it mean, if anything, that you are a
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Speaker 1: self proclaimed real life Barbie. I'm talking about the Barbie doll.
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Speaker 5: This woman's life, this young woman's life is wrapped in fantasy,
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Speaker 5: not reality. The fantasy of having a baby seems a
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Speaker 5: lot more compelling to her than the reality of a baby.
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Speaker 5: The fantasy of being Barbie is a lot more compelling
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Speaker 5: to her than the reality of who she is as
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Speaker 5: a mother and out in the world.
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Speaker 1: Okay, doctor Bethany, you got me drinking from the fire
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Speaker 1: hydrant here. You gave me so much I've got to
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Speaker 1: parse it. Number one, can we state with Barbie? You
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Speaker 1: said I was writing as fast as I could. Fantasy
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Speaker 1: of being Barbie to her was being better, was better
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Speaker 1: than being Lake and Snellings. Okay, now, wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: what was it mean to be Barbie? It's a plastic
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Speaker 1: doll with fake breasts. Why do you want to be that?
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Speaker 5: Because Barbie is beautiful, Barbie is desirable, Barbie is sexually
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Speaker 5: attractive in the world, and the idea that she would
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Speaker 5: be that person, it's like she's wrapping herself in an
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Speaker 5: image an external image rather than really focusing on who
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Speaker 5: she is. Does she attend to trust?
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Speaker 2: Does she?
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Speaker 6: But?
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Speaker 2: Wait?
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Speaker 1: Wait?
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Speaker 2: Wait?
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Speaker 1: Where? Can I see that video again of her in
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Speaker 1: the foe? I guess that's no the foe that that
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Speaker 1: that was? That's very similar to Barbie out that my
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Speaker 1: sister had. That's right, Okay, I was trying to dissect
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Speaker 1: the Barbie dolls, and I dissected all, well, this man,
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Speaker 1: all of my sister's Barbie dolls.
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Speaker 2: That was a dark day. That said, I remember that outfit.
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Speaker 1: Barbie had an outfit like that with you know, faux
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Speaker 1: leverage spots.
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Speaker 2: Okay, just wanted to point that out. Dr Bethany.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what your Barbie lore is, but I
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Speaker 1: distinctly recall an outfit like that with the matching stilettos.
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Speaker 2: And this is when I was a little girl.
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Speaker 1: The stilettos were in then as well, at least for Barbie. Now,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, back to who wants to be Barbie?
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Speaker 5: Who wants to be Barbie as somebody who's more living
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Speaker 5: in fantasy than reality? Hey, Nancy, that sound you just
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Speaker 5: played the inside of her apartment was pink. She lived
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Speaker 5: in a Barbie place. This is a woman who lives
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Speaker 5: in a fantasy world, not a reality world. Okay, Barbie
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Speaker 5: is just that it's adult. It's not a real person.
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Speaker 5: She does not live her life like a real person.
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Speaker 5: She's living's like it's like cosplay of being Barbie. I'm wondering,
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Speaker 5: would she go to a church, does she have friends,
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Speaker 5: is she kind to people? Does she like children in
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Speaker 5: real life? Or was the fantasy of being pregnant and
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Speaker 5: the fantasy of being a mom much more compelling than
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Speaker 5: the reality of changing diapers holding a baby. Babies have needs,
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Speaker 5: you know.
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Speaker 2: And I want to clear one thing up, doctor Bethany Marshall.
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Speaker 1: You can be anything and have played with barbies as
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Speaker 1: a little girl.
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Speaker 2: My sister had the barbies. She's a brainiac. You know.
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Speaker 2: I tried to read something she published.
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Speaker 1: It was just a bunch of formulas with you know,
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Speaker 1: like elements, and I'm like, okay, that was great. So
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying there's anything wrong with playing with barbies
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Speaker 1: when you're a child.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it can be fun.
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Speaker 1: But this is a grown woman that says she's a
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Speaker 1: real life Barbie. Okay, you know what, I've gone down
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Speaker 1: the Barbie trail way too long. Okay, that's not going
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Speaker 1: to help anybody a trial. I want to get to
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Speaker 1: the facts and.
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Speaker 2: What we know. Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 4: Ten thirty a Wednesday morning, Lexington PD responds to a
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Speaker 4: call about an unresponsive infant found in a student department
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Speaker 4: in one of the tenants closets inside a trash bag
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Speaker 4: wrapped in towels. The baby was deceased at the time
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Speaker 4: officers received the report. Snelling returns to her apartment to
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Speaker 4: find police swarming the unit. Snelling says she cleaned up
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Speaker 4: after delivering the baby to conceal that she had given
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Speaker 4: birth and put all of the cleaning materials in the
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Speaker 4: trash bag with the baby.
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Speaker 1: What I'm saying here to Josh Colsrude. He is a
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Speaker 1: high profile criminal defense attorney, former felony prosecutor, founder of
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Speaker 1: Colsrud Law Offices. Josh, Now, this is anecdotal. I don't
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Speaker 1: have a statistic on this, but I noticed it over
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Speaker 1: and over and over in the over a decade that
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Speaker 1: I prosecuted felonies when the victim is a baby, very
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Speaker 1: often you see that case pled down like oh, you know,
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Speaker 1: they were tired of the baby screaming, and they basted
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Speaker 1: its head on the dresser, or they got tired of
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Speaker 1: taking care of the baby where they forgot to feed
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Speaker 1: the baby and it died, And it's often played down
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Speaker 1: to volunteer involuntary manslaughter. Now, I don't know if you're
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Speaker 1: going to admit to that on the air, but it's true.
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Speaker 1: When the victim is a baby, somehow it's treated as
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Speaker 1: less important in our justice system.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, these cases are tough, Nancy.
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Speaker 6: You know, there's a very similar case that happened in
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Speaker 6: twenty seventeen Skuyler Richard, high profile case in Ohio. It
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Speaker 6: was a cheerleader and in that case she was charged
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Speaker 6: with murder with second degree murder and they went to
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Speaker 6: trial and the prosecution lost. They lost because neo nanticide,
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Speaker 6: which is the intentional killing of a baby within twenty
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Speaker 6: four hours, is extremely difficult to prove because the scientific
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Speaker 6: tests generally cannot say with a certainty that murder was
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Speaker 6: the result. And so here we just don't have enough
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Speaker 6: information yet. The coroner has stated that, you know that
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Speaker 6: it's inconclusive. Right now, they are doing additional tests. But
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Speaker 6: I looked into this and the additional tests are all
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Speaker 6: going to have innocent explanations Number one, I think that
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Speaker 6: the prosecutor you go on and.
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Speaker 1: On, thinking you were going to come back circle back
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Speaker 1: to the question, which you did not while you stay
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Speaker 1: that Brooks Schuyler Richardson was found not guilty. Isn't it
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Speaker 1: true that she was convicted of abuse of a corpse?
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Speaker 1: She was not let go, she was actually found guilty.
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Speaker 2: Isn't that correct? Yes?
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Speaker 1: It is okay, you know, I'm sorry I had to
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Speaker 1: put your feet to the fire on that. But you
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Speaker 1: were suggesting that she walked away scott free. What you
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Speaker 1: did say that I find pertinent is that the forensics
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Speaker 1: couldn't prove murder because very often, as you rightly pointed out,
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Speaker 1: Josh colesruthe, it's very difficult.
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Speaker 2: To get a coed cost of death in a case
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Speaker 2: like this.
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Speaker 1: But isn't Skylar Richardson the one that buried the baby
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Speaker 1: in the backyard after she tried to burn the baby's body.
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Speaker 6: Yes, and she also admitted that the baby was alive.
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Speaker 6: She told the police that she heard gurgle and that
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Speaker 6: it was briefly alive. She said this to actually her parents,
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Speaker 6: who were in the interrogation room when they didn't believe
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Speaker 6: that the recording was still going on.
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Speaker 1: Josh, do you even remember the question? I asked you
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Speaker 1: what you just said? May Skyle look even worse Skyle
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Speaker 1: Richardson because the baby was alive. She said, it was
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Speaker 1: gurgling and alive when she gave birth. Now it's up
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Speaker 1: to a jury to determine how the baby was born
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Speaker 1: alive and ended up burned and buried in the backyard.
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Speaker 2: That said, my question was to.
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Speaker 1: You, you know what, I'm gonna go to Chris Myers,
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Speaker 1: Chris Buyer's private investigator, owner of Buyer's Investigative Services for
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Speaker 1: my purposes. He is the former police chief of John's
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Speaker 1: Creek twenty.
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Speaker 2: Five years in LA law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: Buyers, isn't it true that you guys work the case
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Speaker 1: of the dead baby, but when it gets to court, somehow,
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Speaker 1: when the victim is a baby an infant, it gets
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Speaker 1: pled down to involuntary or voluntary. You know, I don't
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Speaker 1: get it in.
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Speaker 7: My experience with any of the cases that I've had
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Speaker 7: like that, they have been pled down. And yeah, I
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Speaker 7: can't explain it from the law enforcement side, that's for sure.
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Speaker 2: Guys.
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Speaker 1: How did the baby end up wrapped in a blanket
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Speaker 1: in her closet. Do you think it wrapped itself up
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Speaker 1: and went in the closet and died? Joining me now,
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Speaker 1: Hermonia Rodriguez, Chief US reporter, dailymail dot Com, Hermonia, do
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Speaker 1: we know if Snellings had roommates? Because I'm trying to
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Speaker 1: figure out who would call nine.
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Speaker 8: One one, right, That's one of the questions that remains
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Speaker 8: unanswered in this case. Police have refused to say whether
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Speaker 8: Snelling had any roommates and who called the police that morning,
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Speaker 8: so that remains open ended. However, there's a lot of
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Speaker 8: online speculation that says it was a roommate that called
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Speaker 8: the police that morning.
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Speaker 1: Guys, you were seeing shots beauty queen cheerleader Laken Snellings.
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Speaker 1: We already know that systematically, cases involving victims that are
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Speaker 1: infants or children, but especially infants, are typically pled down
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Speaker 1: and treated as less important than adult victims. I don't
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Speaker 1: get it, you know, I'm just thinking about who called
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Speaker 1: nine to one one? How did she keep the baby
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Speaker 1: a secret? Isn't it true, Harmonia Rodriguez, that she she was,
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Speaker 1: you know, a fantastic athlete. She was a stunt person
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Speaker 1: on the college cheerleading team, and you can see that
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Speaker 1: she's pregnant during her stunts. Let's take a look at
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Speaker 1: video of Lake and Snellings. Fright there, you go, that
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Speaker 1: is a baby right there, the baby, the baby is
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Speaker 1: in there.
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Speaker 2: I'm not a.
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Speaker 1: Medical doctor, but I can see that much. She was
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Speaker 1: still performing stunts as a cheerleader while pregnant. What you
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Speaker 1: know what, doctor, Bethany Marshall denial and I ain't just
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Speaker 1: a river in Egypt?
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Speaker 2: Come on? What what is this? Bethany helped me out, Nancy.
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Speaker 5: Not only is she in denial, the whole team is denial.
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Speaker 5: Is in denial. I mean, who's gonna be pull a
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Speaker 5: stunt like that when you have a baby in your timmy? Nancy.
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Speaker 5: What this tells me is she was already disconnecting from
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Speaker 5: the baby as she was pregnant. A mother who wants
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Speaker 5: a baby, or who has a wanted baby and her
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Speaker 5: tommy is not going to pull a stunt like that,
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Speaker 5: because the maternal instinct is to protect your child. Nancy,
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Speaker 5: did you hear what the reporter just said. When she
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Speaker 5: put that baby in the plastic bag, she threw the
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Speaker 5: cleaning material on top of it. She threw trash on
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Speaker 5: her baby. It's so disturbing a.
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Speaker 9: Member of the University of Kentucky's stunt team. Laken Snelling
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Speaker 9: is driven, admired, and hiding a secret that will crack
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Speaker 9: her dreams.
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Speaker 1: And right now she is accused of a major felony
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Speaker 1: after her dead infant baby boy is found wrapped in
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Speaker 1: towels and a trash bag in her closet. Straight out
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Speaker 1: to Harmonia Rodriguez joining us, I'm daily mail, Harmonia. There
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Speaker 1: are two lines of inquiry right now as to who
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Speaker 1: called nine one one, And this is important. Okay, you
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Speaker 1: may think who cares to call nine one one? They
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Speaker 1: found a dead baby in the closet, But does the
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Speaker 1: person that call nine one one have other facts and
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Speaker 1: evidence that would be probative.
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Speaker 2: So these are the two lines of inquiry.
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Speaker 1: One report is that roommates became suspicious after Lincoln Snelling
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Speaker 1: came back to school at the end of the summer.
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Speaker 1: She didn't look the same as she did when spring
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Speaker 1: semester ended.
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Speaker 2: She looked pregnant.
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Speaker 1: Then on that Wednesday morning, the pregnancy bump was gone.
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Speaker 2: So when she went to class.
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Speaker 1: That day, they the roommates decided to go into her
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Speaker 1: room and take a look. There are also reports that
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Speaker 1: one of the roommates had a dog that was going
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Speaker 1: berserk outside Lincoln Snelling's room and outside of her closet,
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Speaker 1: and because of that, they looked in the closet. Both
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Speaker 1: reports indicate one of the roommates called nine to one one.
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Speaker 1: Do you know anything about either of those two reports, Harmonia.
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Speaker 8: Right, I have seen those reports. One is from a
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Speaker 8: local and the other one really comes from this Facebook
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Speaker 8: page that is about the case. However, we have gone
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Speaker 8: to police to ask about the circumstances of who called
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Speaker 8: nine one one, and they still are not ready to
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Speaker 8: release that information.
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Speaker 1: Guys, you're seeing video lake and sneilings and it's kind
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Speaker 1: of amazing how someone that seemingly has the world at
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Speaker 1: their fate.
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Speaker 2: You know, there's no question.
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Speaker 1: She's beautiful, she's vivacious, she's healthy, she's smart, and now
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Speaker 1: she's charged with a felony. I think a lot will
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Speaker 1: ride on the cause of death, but right now, that
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Speaker 1: cood remains undetermined. Joining me right now, renowned medical examiner,
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Speaker 1: the chief medical Examiner of Terrant County, that's Fort Worth, Texas,
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Speaker 1: esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU,
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Speaker 1: and star of a hit new podcast, Mayhem in the Morgue.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crown's joining us. What does that tell me?
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Speaker 1: They don't have a CD yet cause of death. Let
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Speaker 1: me read between the lines. That tells me there was
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Speaker 1: no visible cood. Like you can just look at the
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Speaker 1: baby and say, oh, the baby was bludgeon dead, or
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Speaker 1: the baby was shot, or the baby was stabbed, or
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Speaker 1: LIGATUREI strangulation or manual strangulation. Maybe even you might need
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Speaker 1: a microscopic exam to determine if there were a particiar
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Speaker 1: hemorrhage to the eyes. But that tells me that the
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Speaker 1: cod was none of those things. What's happened happening, doctor
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Speaker 1: Kendall Crowns.
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Speaker 10: So typically with the babies that are found in trash bags,
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Speaker 10: you first have to determine if they were born alive.
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Speaker 10: There's certain things that you can look for. One of
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Speaker 10: them is gestational age. If they're under twenty two weeks,
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Speaker 10: they probably couldn't have survived being born. If they have
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Speaker 10: this thing called maceration, which is an overall kind of
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Speaker 10: reddish decoloration sloughing of the skin of the baby, you
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Speaker 10: know they died in utero. And then finally, do they
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Speaker 10: have any major burst effects, like they have no brain
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Speaker 10: or something of that nature. Then you go from there
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Speaker 10: and you have to figure out if they If you
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Speaker 10: determine that they could have been born alive, then you
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Speaker 10: have to determine if they actually took a breath. And
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Speaker 10: that can be a number of tests that are actually
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Speaker 10: not all that accurate. There's the float test with the lung,
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Speaker 10: but that can be disrupted by decomposition.
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Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace. You know, doctor Kendall Crowns.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate your vast knowledge. I also appreciate all of
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Speaker 1: your episodes on Mayhem and the Morgue I do.
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Speaker 2: I've listened to them. They're amazing.
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Speaker 1: But could you please dummy down? Man?
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Speaker 2: You said, oh, would let's say, did a floatation test?
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Speaker 2: What not?
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Speaker 1: Everybody works in the morgue. Not everybody knows what you're
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Speaker 1: talking about. You just rattled off about fifteen medical phrases.
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Speaker 1: I'm surprised you didn't throw Latin at me. Could you
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Speaker 1: just start over and speak regular people talk?
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Speaker 2: Please, if not.
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Speaker 1: For the listener for me, please start over if you
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Speaker 1: don't mind.
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Speaker 10: So, the main thing, like I was talking about, is
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Speaker 10: they're going to be looking for any signs that the
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Speaker 10: child was living when it was born. So did it
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Speaker 10: take a breath. And if it took a breath, the
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Speaker 10: lungs will fill up with air and they could potentially
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Speaker 10: float if you put them in water, so you could say, oh,
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Speaker 10: that they breathe. If the lungs float water. The problem
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Speaker 10: with the.
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Speaker 1: Flotation test, doctor Kendall Crowns right there, right there, you
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Speaker 1: have to explain what that means, because that reminds me
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Speaker 1: of when we were first told the Idaho for students
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Speaker 1: that were murdered by Brian Coberger died in their sleep.
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Speaker 1: So it's like they drifted off to a lullaby and
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Speaker 1: they woke up in heaven.
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Speaker 2: That's not what happened. They fought for their lives. It
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Speaker 2: was horrible. You're saying the lungs are tested.
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Speaker 1: What I believe you mean is this infant is cut open,
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Speaker 1: its lungs are removed, and they're put in water to
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Speaker 1: see if they float.
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Speaker 2: Is that what that means? That's correct.
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Speaker 1: You just rattled off the tip of your tongue like
21:39
Speaker 1: it's nothing. This is a baby, doctor Kendall Crowns, that
21:43
Speaker 1: now has to be cut open and its lungs removed
21:47
Speaker 1: from its little body. How big are baby lungs? How
21:50
Speaker 1: big are they? And then dunked in water? How big
21:53
Speaker 1: is an infant's lungs?
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Speaker 10: Well, it depends on how old the baby is gestationally, if.
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Speaker 2: They are newborn.
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Speaker 10: If they are a newborn, their lungs are about a
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Speaker 10: couple inches. Maybe have you.
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Speaker 2: Done a water test on a baby?
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Speaker 1: Yes? I mean what went through your mind when you're
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Speaker 1: cutting out a baby's lungs that are this big? About
22:11
Speaker 1: the size of a good cup, a kitchen measuring cup.
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Speaker 1: I mean, do you look at it in your hands
22:18
Speaker 1: and think, my stars, what happened?
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Speaker 10: So when I'm doing an autopsy and a baby, it's
22:24
Speaker 10: no different than doing an autopsy and adult. I have
22:27
Speaker 10: to determine the cause and manner of death. It's just
22:29
Speaker 10: it is what it is. I have to figure out
22:31
Speaker 10: what happened to this child or happen to the adults.
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Speaker 10: And that's the purpose of my employment.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I understand that you have to have may detached
22:39
Speaker 1: while you're performing all of this, But you know, when
22:41
Speaker 1: you just rattle off, I'm not saying you're wrong. I
22:44
Speaker 1: know for a fact that you're right, But when you
22:47
Speaker 1: say it so methodically I mean, I got to think
22:51
Speaker 1: this through, doctor Kendall Crowns. You're saying, one of the
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Speaker 1: first things you do to determine COEOD, if it's not
22:57
Speaker 1: immediately visible with the naked eye, is you do a
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Speaker 1: float test.
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Speaker 2: On the lungs.
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Speaker 1: What that means is the baby is sliced open, its lungs,
23:05
Speaker 1: they're removed, and they're dunked in water.
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Speaker 2: What what kind of water? What is that in a pan?
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Speaker 2: A sink?
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Speaker 5: What?
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Speaker 10: It's tap water? And it's basically a big cup.
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Speaker 1: You know, we are talking on and on and on,
23:18
Speaker 1: doctor Kendl Crowns, about Blake and Snellings and she's a
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Speaker 1: real life barbie and she's a stunt person, and she's
23:25
Speaker 1: a cheerleader, and she's gorgeous.
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Speaker 2: And she's miss Fairest of the Fair.
23:29
Speaker 1: Nobody is talking about the baby boy that's lying on
23:34
Speaker 1: a more table getting its chest sliced open, it's lungs
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Speaker 1: removed and put in water.
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Speaker 2: Why does it have to be all about her?
23:44
Speaker 1: That's why White Cases and Josh Colsrude would not answer
23:48
Speaker 1: earlier former federal prosecutor. I mean, okay, back to you,
23:56
Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crowns. So you do a lung test, and
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Speaker 1: if they'll lungs float, that means they had air in them.
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Speaker 1: That means that baby was born alive. Is that where
24:06
Speaker 1: you're going with that?
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Speaker 2: That's correct.
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Speaker 10: I mean if they've taken a breath, the lungs will float,
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Speaker 10: but it could also mean they were given CPR. It
24:14
Speaker 10: could also mean there's decompositional gas formation. So one of
24:18
Speaker 10: the other things you'll do with the floatation test is
24:21
Speaker 10: take the liver. Take a section of the liver and
24:24
Speaker 10: place it in the water as well to see if
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Speaker 10: it will float, to show that there is or is
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Speaker 10: not decomposition.
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Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute,
24:31
Speaker 1: I've never heard this before. A float test on the
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Speaker 1: baby's liver. So now the abdomen is cut out as well. Okay,
24:39
Speaker 1: why would you do a float test on a liver.
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Speaker 1: Why would there be air in a liver?
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Speaker 10: There would be no air in the liver. So if
24:44
Speaker 10: the liver doesn't float, you know that there is no decomposition.
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Speaker 10: But if it does float, then it puts into question
24:51
Speaker 10: of whether the lungs are floating because of decomposition or
24:55
Speaker 10: because there's air in them. So then you have to
24:58
Speaker 10: go to microscopic and aalysis.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so you compare the float test of the liver
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Speaker 1: to the float test of the lungs, and if the
25:05
Speaker 1: liver goes down and the lungs go up, that indicates
25:11
Speaker 1: the lungs are floating because the baby breathed, not because
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Speaker 1: of decompositional gases.
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Speaker 2: Is that right correct?
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Speaker 11: Yes?
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Speaker 2: Okay, so that's what's happening to the baby.
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Speaker 1: What else will be examined to determine the cod of
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Speaker 1: this baby? Because this all hinges on the coeod. If
25:29
Speaker 1: the baby was dead when it was born, was still born,
25:32
Speaker 1: if then there's not going to be a murder prosecution.
25:36
Speaker 1: As Josh Coles really pointed out, a lot is riding.
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Speaker 2: On the cause of death. What else will be done,
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Speaker 2: doctor Kendall Crowns.
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Speaker 10: So what else will be done is microscopic analysis or
25:47
Speaker 10: looking at sections of the tissue under a microscope looking
25:51
Speaker 10: for any disease processes. Also, you'll be looking at the
25:54
Speaker 10: lungs there as well, looking to see if the air
25:57
Speaker 10: sacks or the alveoli and the lungs have fed up
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Speaker 10: with air. The other thing you'll be looking at is
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Speaker 10: the placenta, if it's available, looking at the placenta, looking
26:06
Speaker 10: for any evidence of hemorrhage or loss of oxygen, or
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Speaker 10: infarction or infection of the membranes. You'll be looking at
26:16
Speaker 10: the umbilical cord to see if it's normally formed, if
26:19
Speaker 10: it was wrapped around the child's neck, or if it
26:22
Speaker 10: has inflammation as well. And then you'll also be looking
26:25
Speaker 10: for any evidence of trauma birth trauma where like the
26:29
Speaker 10: shoulder got stuck and they had to pull the child
26:32
Speaker 10: very hard, fracturing the shoulder or separating the neck. You'll
26:35
Speaker 10: also be looking for inflicted trauma like crushing of the ribs,
26:39
Speaker 10: breaking of the extremities or the long bones of the extremities,
26:43
Speaker 10: or crushing of the skull.
26:44
Speaker 1: Harmonia Rodriguez, dailymail dot com. Thinking about and analyzing what
26:48
Speaker 1: doctor Kenil Krause just said regarding was the baby shoulder
26:52
Speaker 1: broken or prolapsed when it was delivered, other injuries to
26:58
Speaker 1: the baby during del It's my understanding that she had
27:03
Speaker 1: the pregnancy bump one day and the next day Wednesday,
27:08
Speaker 1: it was gone and she went to class, so obviously
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Speaker 1: she did not have any injuries. That's right.
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Speaker 8: And while we have not been able to confirm that
27:16
Speaker 8: she told anyone about this pregnancy. As we saw, the
27:19
Speaker 8: images show that she has a visible bump that she
27:23
Speaker 8: then did not have after given birth. However, so I
27:26
Speaker 8: think it's safe to say she was probably not injured,
27:29
Speaker 8: and the autopsy report did say that the baby did
27:32
Speaker 8: not have any obvious injuries either.
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Speaker 2: Good reversity.
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Speaker 3: Joson County Bear.
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Speaker 12: I am lady Shine.
27:48
Speaker 3: Her in his Nancy University in Kentucky and she's twenty
27:52
Speaker 3: years of age. Her or critarium is just selling the worst. Also,
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Speaker 3: being a student athelete, do one Nathalie on the stunteen.
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Speaker 1: At a university in.
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Speaker 3: One hundred plus community service hours someone past you honored
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Speaker 3: to be aground the Jersey City's student there and be
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Speaker 3: unit to represent her.
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Speaker 1: Now, I want to be very clear at this juncture,
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Speaker 1: lac And Snellings is not charged with murder.
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Speaker 2: We are waiting on.
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Speaker 1: A full and complete autopsy report.
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Speaker 9: A roommate's dog leads to a horrific discovery inside Lincoln
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Speaker 9: Snelling's closet. Inside a black trash bag, the remains of
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Speaker 9: a baby boy, along with the evidence used to hide
28:43
Speaker 9: the birth.
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Speaker 1: Lincoln Snelling's caught on video stating how grateful she is
28:49
Speaker 1: for quote family. I don't know if that includes the
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Speaker 1: baby boy found wrapped in towels in a trash bag
28:55
Speaker 1: in her closet, but I want.
28:57
Speaker 2: You to see some texts that we've uncovered.
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Speaker 1: Here is Lincoln Snellings and if you see her goals,
29:04
Speaker 1: let's see a close up of her goals motherhood.
29:08
Speaker 2: Well, then that baby is getting fed.
29:09
Speaker 1: A bottle by a loving mom with blonde hair like
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Speaker 1: Lincoln Snellings.
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Speaker 2: That is not what happened to this baby.
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Speaker 1: And also circled as her goal is a family with
29:20
Speaker 1: two children, engagement, ring, money, and a house.
29:24
Speaker 2: What more have we learned? Being twenty is so weird.
29:27
Speaker 1: Like I'm an adult, but I still can't really really
29:31
Speaker 1: do anything. But people my age have kids. Well, I
29:34
Speaker 1: think she knows the answer to that. I actually start
29:37
Speaker 1: tweaking at the fact I may only birth boys and
29:41
Speaker 1: never get a girl.
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Speaker 2: That would be a little small miniature me.
29:48
Speaker 1: My parents had a whole child at my age and
29:52
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to drive on to the
29:55
Speaker 1: tracks of a car wash. Okay, this and watching the
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Speaker 1: kids play in the yard, she seems like she'd be
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Speaker 1: a great mom. How I sleep at night knowing I'm
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Speaker 1: dating the person I'm going to marry.
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Speaker 2: Marriage is scary.
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Speaker 1: What if he doesn't want to put our daughter in
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Speaker 1: cheer the second she can walk?
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Speaker 2: Okay, I need.
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Speaker 1: A shrink, and I need a shrink right now, doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall.
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Speaker 2: The well, they all are significant.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Yes, none of this will likely ever come before
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Speaker 1: a jury because they will be deemed not probative. In
30:33
Speaker 1: other words, they're incendiary and they don't really prove anything.
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Speaker 11: Right.
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Speaker 1: But what about the part about I want to have
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Speaker 1: a mini me? What if I only birth boys, which
30:44
Speaker 1: this was a baby boy, and I don't have a girl.
30:47
Speaker 1: I don't have a minime. That means something, doctor Bethany.
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Speaker 5: What it tells me that she's preoccupied with having an
30:55
Speaker 5: idealized life with a little girl who's just like her.
30:58
Speaker 5: That she's very self centered now. She's wrapped up in
31:01
Speaker 5: her own little world. These texts are not to another person.
31:05
Speaker 5: These texts are to herself. She is preoccupied with herself now.
31:10
Speaker 5: Women who commit and fanticide usually are not attached to
31:14
Speaker 5: the baby when they are pregnant. The baby is like
31:17
Speaker 5: an it, a thing. It does not have a personality. Nancy,
31:21
Speaker 5: when you were first pregnant, I remember you told me
31:23
Speaker 5: were on the set of port TV. You were so excited.
31:27
Speaker 5: You were attached to your babies. It's called maternal preoccupation.
31:31
Speaker 5: When you're attached. She likely was not attached to the baby.
31:35
Speaker 5: She was attached to herself, and she was attached to
31:39
Speaker 5: the idea of an idealized life. There's the ring, then
31:43
Speaker 5: there's the baby, Then there's the cash, then there's the house. Oh,
31:48
Speaker 5: there's the family. So this baby probably was getting in
31:53
Speaker 5: the way of some scheme or plan that she already had.
31:58
Speaker 5: Maybe she was getting ready for a prom baby, she
32:00
Speaker 5: wanted to wear a wedding dress. Maybe she wanted to
32:03
Speaker 5: find a really rich guy, or she wanted the perfect wedding,
32:07
Speaker 5: and this baby was just inconvenient because the little baby
32:10
Speaker 5: didn't come around at the right time in her whatever
32:14
Speaker 5: her plan was for her life.
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Speaker 2: And doctor Bethany, here's something I don't understand. And I'm not.
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Speaker 1: Saying pro or con abortion. I'm not arguing about abortion tonight.
32:25
Speaker 1: That's a whole other can of worms. But if you
32:29
Speaker 1: don't want the baby, why wait nine months and give
32:34
Speaker 1: birth and then murder the baby? Why do that as
32:38
Speaker 1: opposed to terminating the pregnancy in the first three months.
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Speaker 5: Nancy, in order to plan for an abortion, you have
32:45
Speaker 5: to be tethered to reality. Reality is that there is
32:49
Speaker 5: a baby inside of you. That baby is growing, That
32:52
Speaker 5: baby will be a person in the real world with
32:55
Speaker 5: real needs, a need for food, a need for love,
32:59
Speaker 5: a need for care. I would doubt that she would
33:01
Speaker 5: even be attached enough to this baby to plan any
33:05
Speaker 5: kind of medical procedure. I doubt she even went to
33:07
Speaker 5: a doctor and got her vitamins or her benataled care
33:12
Speaker 5: or anything like that. That's one of the more fascinating
33:14
Speaker 5: parts of this story was did anybody recognize she was pregnant?
33:18
Speaker 5: Did her own mother recognize, what about the other people
33:21
Speaker 5: on the cheer team? Or was this sort of a
33:24
Speaker 5: pipe dream about having a baby at some point in
33:28
Speaker 5: her life? But at that point, she didn't imagine herself
33:31
Speaker 5: to be pregnant. She was just dissociated from the reality
33:34
Speaker 5: of it all.
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Speaker 1: And again, I'm not going down the pro life or
33:39
Speaker 1: pro abortion rabbit hole, but I want to get back
33:42
Speaker 1: to the facts.
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Speaker 4: Listen to this lacln Snelling leads not guilty to all
33:46
Speaker 4: three charges levied against her and posted her one hundred
33:50
Speaker 4: thousand dollars bond. Snelling has been placed on house arrest
33:54
Speaker 4: at her parents Jefferson City home. She will not be
33:57
Speaker 4: required to wear an ankle monitor. Next scheduled appearance in
34:01
Speaker 4: a Fayette County court is September twenty sixth.
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Speaker 10: Relations that from our.
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Speaker 1: Friends at w k YT and you heard the judge
34:13
Speaker 1: there at the end, Judge John Tackett. Wait a minute, Harmonia,
34:18
Speaker 1: she not only has walked free, but she doesn't even
34:23
Speaker 1: have to wear an ankle monitor.
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Speaker 8: That's right, Nancy. The judge order her to await trial
34:28
Speaker 8: at her parents' home in Tennessee and specified that she
34:31
Speaker 8: would not have to wear an ankle monitor while she
34:34
Speaker 8: awaits her trial.
34:35
Speaker 1: Why, Josh Coles, rude, you're the former federal prosecutor. Why
34:41
Speaker 1: not even wear an ankle monitor? Forget the ankle monitor?
34:45
Speaker 1: To hay with that?
34:46
Speaker 2: Why is she out on bond?
34:48
Speaker 11: Well?
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Speaker 6: Typically, judges have to look at two different prongs when
34:53
Speaker 6: evaluating whether or not to give somebody a bond, and
34:56
Speaker 6: if so, how much. The first is is the person
35:00
Speaker 6: and a substantial danger to the community? And the second
35:05
Speaker 6: is are they substantial flight risk? And here you're dealing
35:10
Speaker 6: with somebody who doesn't have any in me.
35:13
Speaker 1: That she's young and pretty and rich and white.
35:20
Speaker 2: What about that?
35:21
Speaker 1: Does that factor into that bond decision? Because I think
35:24
Speaker 1: it does.
35:25
Speaker 2: Is she wor too pretty for jail? Because that worked
35:28
Speaker 2: with debril Fay? Is that what happens just too cute?
35:32
Speaker 6: Well in this case, respectfully, she has not been accused
35:36
Speaker 6: of murdering anybody yet. The only charges in this case
35:41
Speaker 6: so far are abuse a corpse and some lower and
35:46
Speaker 6: some lesser included charges as well. So until the time
35:50
Speaker 6: that the state actually accuses her of murdering an infant child,
35:55
Speaker 6: she's going to be treated as a low level offender.
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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 9: Hey, Jim University PD.
36:12
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm gonna need you to send a deputy over here.
36:14
Speaker 5: At one twenty five Lakeside, we got a newborn baby's
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Speaker 5: bend discarded.
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Speaker 4: Okayy too, yep, thanks by miss Gingham University Delta Again.
36:26
Speaker 4: The Theta Sisters fine a suspicious trash bag just outside
36:30
Speaker 4: the front door. Tearing it open, they make a gruesome discovery.
36:34
Speaker 4: Next to an instant macincheese box lies a dead baby girl.
36:38
Speaker 4: Emily Weaver admits she birth the baby in the downstairs
36:42
Speaker 4: bathroom of the Theta house.
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Speaker 2: Okay. In that case, sorority's sisters.
36:47
Speaker 1: Find a dead infant and a trash bag right outside
36:52
Speaker 1: their front door, and they immediately suspect em Emil Weaver.
36:56
Speaker 11: Listen, Dell, I just just want to be able to
36:59
Speaker 11: tell yeah, it was the cause of.
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Speaker 10: Death on the child.
37:05
Speaker 11: And did you do anything physically too?
37:11
Speaker 1: No, it's physically I really obviously didn't do much at all.
37:15
Speaker 11: I was more concerned.
37:19
Speaker 12: About me.
37:21
Speaker 11: I guy was going to intentionally get at I mean,
37:24
Speaker 11: I would have like not for its head up when
37:27
Speaker 11: you just want it drop, you know what I mean.
37:29
Speaker 11: But it was like potentially in her you did did
37:37
Speaker 11: you try and keep her alive?
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Speaker 13: I didn't do anything to.
37:44
Speaker 1: Put And then you add on Emily Weaver's texts that
37:50
Speaker 1: she had been arguing with the BF boyfriend for about
37:54
Speaker 1: a month about the quote situation, and then after just
37:58
Speaker 1: a few hours after giving birth, says it text no
38:01
Speaker 1: more baby taken care of. The baby was asphyxiated, suffocated dead.
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Speaker 1: Prosecutors argue she intentionally killed the baby by putting the
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Speaker 1: baby in the trash where it suffocated, and she was
38:16
Speaker 1: sentenced to life.
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Speaker 2: That's what happened there.
38:20
Speaker 1: So I'm just thinking through the having the baby and
38:25
Speaker 1: doing nothing to keep the baby alive, not just that
38:31
Speaker 1: putting the baby in a trash bag wrapped.
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Speaker 2: In a towel as in this case.
38:38
Speaker 1: Could that have been the cause of asphyxiation in the
38:42
Speaker 1: case in cheap Now, that case was about Emily Weaver.
38:47
Speaker 2: But then there's Alexei Cheviso.
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Speaker 13: We had the lady come to clean the bathroom. She
38:52
Speaker 13: put the baby in the trash can and then she
38:55
Speaker 13: put another clean liner over the top of it.
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Speaker 14: I want they looked.
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Speaker 13: When they looked in there, it looked there was no
39:02
Speaker 13: trash in that, but it's underneath the clean bag. The
39:04
Speaker 13: baby's dead. Okay, we have them in Troumta too. But
39:09
Speaker 13: she killed a kid.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, how to be?
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Speaker 10: I don't know.
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Speaker 13: It's full time.
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Speaker 12: She just had it.
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Speaker 10: She had it in the bathroom, was what happened.
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Speaker 13: And then she whatever she did.
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Speaker 14: I don't know.
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Speaker 13: She's gonna lie. She wouldn't tell us she's pregnant. She's
39:21
Speaker 13: been lying the whole time.
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Speaker 1: So she goes in the bathroom pregnant, and then setting
39:25
Speaker 1: the baby's gone and it's underneath the clean bag near
39:29
Speaker 1: the trash can. There's more.
39:32
Speaker 2: We discovered a dead baby in the bathroom.
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Speaker 14: Oh my gosh, sorry, Magsie, I told you about this,
39:43
Speaker 14: but I just asked you babies, tell me the truths car.
39:49
Speaker 5: Was not.
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Speaker 2: And that dude was crying.
39:55
Speaker 12: Can do you guys have I'm the charge nursery. Do
39:58
Speaker 12: you guys have any questions? It's like, what nine months
40:05
Speaker 12: something was growing you. Let's see, have you watched the
40:10
Speaker 12: news of the girls.
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Speaker 14: And what they do to their babies and when they
40:14
Speaker 14: go to jail.
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Speaker 2: Those doctor Anthony Marshall, what's with that mom?
40:24
Speaker 5: The mom seems more concerned about her daughter than her
40:26
Speaker 5: grand baby. It's it's really concerning. And you know, this
40:29
Speaker 5: is what we call nancy a soft kill. When women
40:32
Speaker 5: kill their babies, usually it's suffocating them, poisoning them, whereas
40:37
Speaker 5: with men it sends to be some more of overt
40:39
Speaker 5: physical violence. So this is just a soft kill. And
40:43
Speaker 5: the mother never says, oh my god, my grandbaby. Those
40:47
Speaker 5: words do not come out of the mother's mouth.
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Speaker 1: I don't like anything you just said, soft kilm Those
40:55
Speaker 1: words don't go together. Imagine how awful it would be
41:00
Speaker 1: to be murdered my let's just say asphyxiation. Then imagine
41:04
Speaker 1: if you're a baby. You can't speak, you can't move,
41:07
Speaker 1: you can't run away, you can't fight back. You have
41:09
Speaker 1: to just lay there and die with something held down
41:13
Speaker 1: over your nose and mouth. And to doctor Kendall Crown's
41:16
Speaker 1: soft kill my rear end. Could this baby have died
41:20
Speaker 1: by asphyxiation simply by the baby putting being wrapped in
41:25
Speaker 1: towels and put in a trash bag? Could that have
41:28
Speaker 1: asphyxiated suffocated the baby.
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Speaker 10: Yes, we see that occasionally with full term inference or
41:34
Speaker 10: babies that are beyond the twenty three week gestation. The
41:37
Speaker 10: mother places it in the trash bag and seals the
41:39
Speaker 10: trash bag, throwing it in the trash There's not enough
41:42
Speaker 10: oxygen in there for the child to survive, and so
41:45
Speaker 10: they eventually will suffocate by being in a plastic bag,
41:49
Speaker 10: just as if you put a plastic bag over your head,
41:52
Speaker 10: it would suffocate you.
41:53
Speaker 1: And then to Chris Buyer's private investigator at Buyer's Investigative Services,
41:58
Speaker 1: I want you to hear this case similar and it's
42:01
Speaker 1: one brought up by.
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Speaker 2: Josh Cole Road Skyler Richardson. Is your bedroom upstairs or
42:06
Speaker 2: bathroom upstairs?
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Speaker 5: Okay?
42:07
Speaker 3: So she had to walk downstairs.
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Speaker 12: Are you carrying her?
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Speaker 14: Did you go into the garage or do you.
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Speaker 10: Have an outdoor shed like where you have a shovel?
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Speaker 2: Okay? When what did you find her?
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Speaker 3: What did you use?
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Speaker 5: Put a little old my god in it?
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Speaker 1: Okay?
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Speaker 10: Anderson, what did you do?
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Speaker 14: Did you have it and you didn't have any help?
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Speaker 3: Right?
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Speaker 5: Okay?
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Speaker 2: What did you do with her while you were digging?
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Speaker 12: The hole?
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Speaker 5: Turned down?
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Speaker 1: And Chris Buyers in that particular case, Skyler Richardson, Dad,
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Speaker 1: ask tell us what's going on, and she says, I
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Speaker 1: tried to cremate the baby just a little.
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Speaker 2: She tried to burn the baby. Chris, Yeah, that.
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Speaker 7: Is absolutely mind blowing. That level of evil. I just
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Speaker 7: can't even imagine just all.
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Speaker 15: Of these cases. We see just the level of selfishness
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Speaker 15: and self absorbedness in these in these girls, and just
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Speaker 15: treating these babies just like garbage just absolutely blows my mind.
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Speaker 1: Like garbage in every way putting it, putting babies in trash.
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Speaker 2: Throwing them in dumpsters.
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear it from the horse's mouth, Chris.
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Speaker 1: Here's Skylar Richardson stating that she tried to cremate the
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Speaker 1: baby just a little.
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Speaker 13: Pretty calful for she.
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Speaker 1: Said, you have to help your reading to hear that.
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Speaker 3: A little.
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Speaker 1: I want to be very clear at this juncture, Lincoln
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Speaker 1: Snellings is not charged with murder. We are waiting on
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Speaker 1: a full and complete autopsy report. Right now, we've only
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Speaker 1: got a cod as undetermined. But as we speak, microscopic
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Speaker 1: tests are being conducted similar to the ones that you
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Speaker 1: heard doctor kim l the Crown's discussing. Then we'll find out
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Speaker 1: if there will be an upgrade to her charges. And remember,
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Speaker 1: she is innocent tonight, innocent until that presumption of innocence
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Speaker 1: is pierced by facts presented by the state that prove
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Speaker 1: her guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Right now, we remember
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Speaker 1: an American hero Officer Caitlin written our Texas Department Criminal Justice,
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Speaker 1: just twenty three, survived by a grieving fiance, Zachariah and
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Speaker 1: her mother. Tera American hero officer Caitlin written our Nancy Gray,
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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye, Fred H.