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Has your partner ever let you forge their signature on important documents? · Anele and the Club on 947

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  Speaker 1: Wake up with a bang.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, wake up!
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  Speaker 1: Anele and the Club on 947. You know, we used
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  Speaker 1: to do this so much with my dad.
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  Speaker 3: And I thought it was okay because, like, he's our dad.
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  Speaker 1: He can't, like, divorce us. He can't disown us. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it is what it is. He's our father.
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  Speaker 4: He's not going to cut you off, right?
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  Speaker 5: He can't.
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  Speaker 3: Especially because the first time we did it, he encouraged
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  Speaker 3: it because he wasn't around.
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  Speaker 1: And we had to sign something.
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  Speaker 3: And then he was like, and my older sister Unati
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  Speaker 3: was really good.
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  Speaker 1: At signing my dad's signature.
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 3: So it just became a thing that you just go
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  Speaker 3: to Unati if you wanted dad's signature.
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  Speaker 4: If he wasn't available. Or just generally.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, even if you wanted like a little checky checky.
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  Speaker 3: And that was back in the day of checks.
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  Speaker 4: You went to, she would sign his checks.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 7: There's a word for that.
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  Speaker 1: It's called?
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  Speaker 6: Fraud.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: And forgery.
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  Speaker 1: Forgery.
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  Speaker 3: But now, look, because I, here's the thing, because I
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  Speaker 3: thought we were his kids.
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  Speaker 1: It was okay.
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  Speaker 3: I'm now hearing that married couples do this all the time,
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  Speaker 3: where they like just sign.
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  Speaker 1: For each other.
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  Speaker 4: Look, I'd love to know, because I think everyone's been
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  Speaker 4: in that situation, right? Where your partner, where you need
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  Speaker 4: to sign something and you both agreed on this. You've
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  Speaker 4: obviously checked it out and then you quickly sign on
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  Speaker 4: behalf of your partner. I think most people have been
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  Speaker 4: in that situation.
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  Speaker 7: Is this the married or couple version of power of attorney? Informally.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly. Informally.
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  Speaker 3: We have not unlocked that part of marriage, myself and
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  Speaker 3: my husband just yet.
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  Speaker 4: That you're signing for each other.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, also because I think it's because my signature changes
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  Speaker 3: every time.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, so you don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Your own signature. I'm not quite aware how it is.
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  Speaker 1: I know there's an A and there's a Z.
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  Speaker 3: And then after that, freestyle, Baba.
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  Speaker 8: Wow. I think, I mean, obviously a lot of kids
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  Speaker 8: do it. You sign and we did it as kids.
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  Speaker 8: If you got a test and then you just signed
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  Speaker 8: it yourself that maybe you forgot.
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  Speaker 1: Or you didn't want your mom to see your mark.
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  Speaker 8: I think I've signed a document once on behalf of
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  Speaker 8: my husband's. And I think it was like a random,
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  Speaker 8: it was a random document. And then I remember him saying,
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  Speaker 8: looking at, we were presented in front of the people.
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  Speaker 8: It could have been the school or something. And then
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  Speaker 8: he just went, oh, so that's my signature. And then
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  Speaker 8: he looked at me, I was like, shut up, shut up,
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  Speaker 8: shut up, shut up. And then after that, I've never signed.
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  Speaker 8: Once upon a time, he did say to me, oh,
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  Speaker 8: just sign it for me. And it was obviously something
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  Speaker 8: just willy-nilly. But now, apparently, that rule is no longer
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  Speaker 8: in play.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a blanket rule, Cindy. It's no longer in play.
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  Speaker 1: It is per event.
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  Speaker 3: So there was, I'm asking, on 011-8838-947, has your partner
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  Speaker 3: ever let you forge their signature?
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  Speaker 1: What was happening? And then, do you now.
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  Speaker 1: Open Sesame. Gates are open.
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  Speaker 3: Anytime they're not around, you can just sign for them.
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  Speaker 3: Or do you have to let them know, hey, I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to sign this?
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  Speaker 1: Is it like a blanket?
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  Speaker 4: Is it a blanket license?
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: I've said once, you can sign for me. It's like when.
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  Speaker 3: You're signing those digital documents where it says, must we
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  Speaker 3: apply this signature, the entire document. You're like, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Go for it. Go for it.
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  Speaker 7: I'd love to know of a case where this has
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  Speaker 7: happened and you guys got caught out. But now it's
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  Speaker 7: awkward because... Well, he's my husband, so I thought it
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  Speaker 7: would be okay.
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  Speaker 1: You can't testify against your husband.
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  Speaker 3: Or when this has happened, and then you guys divorced.
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  Speaker 1: But now they're still carrying on signing things on your behalf.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think that's fraud. So this is the thing.
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  Speaker 4: It's a tricky thing because you shouldn't be signing. So
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  Speaker 4: I think we should make this clear. Legally, we should
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  Speaker 4: ask your husband about this, but legally, I don't think
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  Speaker 4: you should be signing for anyone else. You're not allowed.
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  Speaker 4: But we're asking sometimes... quick delivery note or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: So you want people to call in to tell us
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  Speaker 1: when they've broken the law?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: They're just, I mean, law, law.
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  Speaker 1: Small Anyana thing. Like, small Anyana law.
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  Speaker 5: What's a law?
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  Speaker 4: You know, like I said, like if you have to
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  Speaker 4: sign the delivery note for something that got delivered at
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  Speaker 4: the house. But, you know, I.
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  Speaker 3: So what we're going to do is we're going to
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  Speaker 3: keep you anonymous just so we can protect you.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: The streets are hot. 011-8838-947.
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  Speaker 3: Has your partner ever let you forge their signature?
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  Speaker 1: And then after that, how often did you do it?
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 4: And when did you stop?
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: When did you realize?
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: It's too much now. It's too much. Send us a
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  Speaker 1: voice note as well.
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  Speaker 7: 084-0000-947.
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  Speaker 1: But you guys are admitting to crimes live on air.
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  Speaker 3: Whoever says this to the question is a criminal.
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  Speaker 7: It's all fun and games until I sign the divorce
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  Speaker 7: papers on your behalf.
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  Speaker 2: My husband hasn't signed anything for our son's school since
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  Speaker 2: grade one. I just sign. They wouldn't even know how
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  Speaker 2: his real signature looks. I just sign for him.
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  Speaker 1: I know how to do my dad's signature.
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  Speaker 2: It's just an S and then a scribble and a
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  Speaker 2: circle at the back.
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  Speaker 3: That's why you're not at school, because you signed your
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  Speaker 3: own day off. Because why are you listening to Auntie
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  Speaker 3: Anele and the club at 25 to 9?
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  Speaker 1: It's not school holidays anyway.
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  Speaker 8: Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: You should be in school.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah. Anonymous.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning, Anonymous.
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  Speaker 4: How are you?
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  Speaker 1: Anonymous One is what we're calling you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm good, and you?
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  Speaker 1: Good, Anonymous. Tell us, when did you fold your husband's signature?
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  Speaker 6: Okay, let me go quickly to the big boardroom.
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  Speaker 1: To the big boardroom?
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, I just arrived at work.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
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  Speaker 4: This is the quiet place, huh?
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 6: Okay. This is me in the big boardroom. It happened
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  Speaker 6: in 2024. So my husband got a job in the U.S.
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  Speaker 6: He left before he got his provident fund. So now
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  Speaker 6: he had asked me to hold his signature to sign
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  Speaker 6: it so he can get it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so the Provident Fund.
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  Speaker 8: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: So he was already in the UK and somebody had
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  Speaker 3: to sign.
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  Speaker 1: It back here.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 6: So like we, I have access to his email address.
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  Speaker 6: So like every time when they send the email, I
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  Speaker 6: will respond pretending to be him.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and he allows you, hey? He's giving you
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  Speaker 1: this permission.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, he did.
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  Speaker 6: I said, brah, look here. There's money that we're going
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  Speaker 6: to get from your previous company. And then they need
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  Speaker 6: your signature. They send these documents. So they wanted, they
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  Speaker 6: asked me to, they asked you to sign those papers.
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  Speaker 6: So he was like, go ahead. As long as we're
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  Speaker 6: going to get the money.
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  Speaker 1: And you guys got the money.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, I did.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, you never just say that. One more question.
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  Speaker 3: How much money are we talking here?
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  Speaker 6: It's 75k.
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  Speaker 5: Sign, girl.
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  Speaker 1: Sign when? Sign away, my baby. Sign, baby girl. Sign.
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  Speaker 7: Sign.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, they're using the boardroom. Get out of there from
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  Speaker 1: Anonymous 1. Let's go to Anonymous 2. Good morning.
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  Speaker 5: Morning.
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  Speaker 1: How are you, Anonymous 2?
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  Speaker 5: I'm good, thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Apparently this was a bit of a buzzing entrepreneurial journey
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  Speaker 3: for you.
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  Speaker 2: It was.
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  Speaker 5: I'm able to talk about it now because I left
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  Speaker 5: high school, so yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So the statute of limitation has lapsed. Is that what
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  Speaker 4: you're saying?
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  Speaker 5: So I actually started off in primary by forging signals
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  Speaker 5: for myself.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And then you got so good at it.
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  Speaker 5: I did. So I graduated kind of like not assigning
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  Speaker 5: other people's parents signatures.
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  Speaker 3: What was it about you? What was it about your wrist?
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  Speaker 3: You know, because it's a skill, this thing.
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  Speaker 4: I know, right?
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  Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know. It's not like I
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  Speaker 5: needed the money or anything. I just enjoyed doing it.
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  Speaker 1: So hang on a second.
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  Speaker 4: So you would sign for people in the school that
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  Speaker 4: came to you with a note?
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  Speaker 5: Yes. Or if they had like a test notice that
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  Speaker 5: needed to get signed, they were scared to show their parents,
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  Speaker 5: then I would sign on their behalf.
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  Speaker 1: So what? I bring you my parents' signature and you
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  Speaker 1: see it?
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely, yes.
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  Speaker 1: And then you sit and you kind of like.
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  Speaker 5: I would practice, yes. I would go over it like
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  Speaker 5: with tracing paper first.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you practice.
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  Speaker 5: Then perfect it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 8: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So, I mean, and you say you didn't need the money.
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  Speaker 3: So this was just like a, just a crime of,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I did it with one and then like word
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  Speaker 5: of mouth got around. Then I started doing it.
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  Speaker 3: And it's almost like the Thomas Crown Affair.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever watched the Thomas Crown Affair?
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  Speaker 8: Yes, yes, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't need to steal the art.
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  Speaker 4: No, it doesn't need the money.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't need to, just gives him a thrill.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And what did it cost per signature is my question.
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  Speaker 5: But I did this. I was in high school between
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  Speaker 5: the year 2003 and 2008. So then I was charging
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  Speaker 5: like 10 red.
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  Speaker 3: Yo, so how many on average a day, how many
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  Speaker 3: forgeries were you doing?
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  Speaker 5: Depending on who needed the signatures. Okay, so what... Like
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  Speaker 5: a week, I could get like a hundred bucks because
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  Speaker 5: a minimum I got 10 people.
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  Speaker 4: Steady income.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: And these people have gone on to be successful individuals
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  Speaker 3: in society.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, yes. Very affluent people also, you know. I wish
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  Speaker 5: I could name and shame a few, but two.
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  Speaker 2: No, no.
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  Speaker 1: We're okay now. This is enough information. This is enough
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  Speaker 1: information from you.
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  Speaker 3: And this little skill of yours, has it developed into
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  Speaker 3: other things or.
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  Speaker 5: Did you leave? No, now I'm married and I'm a
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  Speaker 5: mother and I'm not doing that anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, now she's an outstanding citizen of society.
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  Speaker 6: I'm reformed, yes.
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  Speaker 4: Happens to all the baddies.
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  Speaker 3: You become a mom and then all of a sudden
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  Speaker 3: you remember what rules are.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Anonymous 2, thank you for that.