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Vagabon Disobeys Bridger · I Said No Gifts! A comedy interview podcast with Bridger Winegar

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  Speaker 1: Well, I invited you. Hear, I thought, I made myself
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  Speaker 1: perfectly clear. When you're a guess to my home, you
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  Speaker 1: gotta come to me empty. And I said, no, guess,
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  Speaker 1: your presences presence enough. I already had too much stuff,
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  Speaker 1: So how do you dare to surbey?
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  Speaker 2: Mean?
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  Speaker 3: I'm alone in my kitchen. I need to tell you something.
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  Speaker 3: I'm recording a little special thing to tell you that
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  Speaker 3: we will be having a second live show. The first
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  Speaker 3: one in LA went beautifully, so wonderfully, better than I
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  Speaker 3: could have possibly imagined. So I thought, why not do
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  Speaker 3: a second live show, But let's do this one in
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  Speaker 3: New York. We're doing one in New York. New York
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  Speaker 3: is home to the Circuit City in Union Square that
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  Speaker 3: closed in two thousand and nine. But I believe the
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  Speaker 3: city has other things to offer. And I was at
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  Speaker 3: that liquidation sale. You were, You know, you could get CDs, DVDs,
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  Speaker 3: Blu rays for the markdowns were ridiculous. It was a
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  Speaker 3: memorable sale that you know that Circuit City is no
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  Speaker 3: longer there. They closed down nationally, so don't try to
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  Speaker 3: go to any circuit City. But what we really need
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  Speaker 3: to talk about here is the live show. It's at
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  Speaker 3: the Bellhouse the Bellhouse on October thirteenth at seven thirty pm.
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  Speaker 3: Now this takes place in Brooklyn, New York. So that's exciting,
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  Speaker 3: and it's going to be the fall, and it's going
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  Speaker 3: to be I mean, is there a better time to
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  Speaker 3: be in New York. Absolutely not. This is the prime
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  Speaker 3: time to be in New York. So whether you're already
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  Speaker 3: living there or you're looking for a little chance to
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  Speaker 3: go on a trip, this is the time to do it.
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  Speaker 3: And you should probably buy a ticket very soon. Because
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  Speaker 3: the LA tickets went quickly, they sold out, and then
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  Speaker 3: people were freaking out about not having a ticket. Well
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  Speaker 3: that's not my fault. You know, there are only so
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  Speaker 3: many seats in a house, and there are fire codes,
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  Speaker 3: et cetera. You know, they a lot a certain amount
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  Speaker 3: of tickets to audience members. This is how ticket sales work.
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  Speaker 3: I'm explaining ticket sales to you. You've got to buy
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  Speaker 3: a ticket quickly because New York you're competing not just
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  Speaker 3: with your city. You've got you know, people pouring in
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  Speaker 3: from New Jersey, You've got Philly people, people from Washington,
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  Speaker 3: d c. Are probably already on the train headed towards
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  Speaker 3: the venue. Boston. I mean that whole mess of the
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  Speaker 3: East Coast. Everyone is going to be vuying for a ticket,
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  Speaker 3: so get one quickly, don't lose out. We only have
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  Speaker 3: one life to live. But basically you have to go
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  Speaker 3: to the Bell houseeny dot com, the Bellhouse NY dot
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  Speaker 3: com to get a ticket. Now, let me just refresh everyone.
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  Speaker 3: That's October thirteenth, seven thirty pm the Bellhouse. I said,
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  Speaker 3: No Gifts Live the second show. It's gonna be spectacular.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to have an absolute ball. We always have
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  Speaker 3: a ball. This will be no different. Come join me,
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  Speaker 3: Come join my wonderful guests, and let's get onto the episode.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to I said no Gifts, I Bridger Wineger. We're
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  Speaker 3: in the backyard. I mean, there's just been an earthquake.
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  Speaker 3: There's just been an enormous earthquake, the biggest one I've
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  Speaker 3: ever been through. I'm safe. I'm alive. If you're hearing this,
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  Speaker 3: so that's some news for you. I think we released
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  Speaker 3: this episode in like two weeks, so if you really cared,
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  Speaker 3: you would have reached out sooner. But you know, you
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  Speaker 3: do your thing. I don't care. I survived, I made
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  Speaker 3: it through, and thank god I did because I adore
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  Speaker 3: today's guest. I absolutely thinks she's wonderful. It's vagabond. Welcome
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  Speaker 3: to I said, no gifts. How are you doing?
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  Speaker 4: I am doing? Wow, I am shaken up.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so thrown as you can tell.
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  Speaker 4: I am very, very thrown all around.
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  Speaker 3: We were talking about this right before we began recording.
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  Speaker 3: But what do you do during an earthquake? I was
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  Speaker 3: darting around and then I of course looked it up
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  Speaker 3: after and the earthquake. People don't say anything about darting around.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, wow, you're once up ahead of me for looking
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  Speaker 5: it up. I just cried it, just started crying immediately.
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  Speaker 3: But we both survived, so we proved earthquake HQ wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Analise mentioned Onalise's dad is an expert, and apparently you're
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  Speaker 3: supposed to get on the ground and maybe drag yourself
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  Speaker 3: under a table or something, some sort of sturdy piece
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  Speaker 3: of furniture. Okay, gotta remember this, but in the moment,
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  Speaker 3: oh no, Onalise.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry, one more thing.
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  Speaker 6: It's very important hook your arm around the table leg
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  Speaker 6: because if it moves. If the table moves, you want.
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  Speaker 4: To move with it.
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  Speaker 6: Whole idea is that if something falls down that it
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  Speaker 6: protects your head. Oh, so you put your armor on
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  Speaker 6: the leg of the table so that if the table
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  Speaker 6: moves in the shaking, it's still above you.
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't like move somewhere else in the room.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So if I have to rearrange my furniture, I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to survive. Forget it.
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  Speaker 4: Just let me go.
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  Speaker 3: Just so, is this the biggest one you've experienced?
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  Speaker 2: It is?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's only my second one.
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  Speaker 3: It's only your second earth question.
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  Speaker 4: In life, and the biggest one by far.
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  Speaker 3: What was the first one?
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  Speaker 5: The first one was July fourth, and I thought it
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  Speaker 5: was just a huge firework because I grew up not
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  Speaker 5: anywhere near earthquakes, right, I was confused about what was happening.
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  Speaker 5: But it was so mild. They just kind of felt
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  Speaker 5: like you were on drugs.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one of those small ones happen. You're like, Oh,
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  Speaker 3: I might just have imagined, or maybe I have vertigo
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  Speaker 3: or something. Yeah. I hadn't experienced one in a few years,
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  Speaker 3: but this was the biggest one I think I've ever felt,
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  Speaker 3: outside of the first one I ever felt was in
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  Speaker 3: first grade and I was in the shower with my brother.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wow, And so that's a very vivid memory of
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  Speaker 3: me just being naked with my brother in the shower.
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  Speaker 3: My mom's screaming.
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  Speaker 5: Well, the thing is that when that happens, the first
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  Speaker 5: thing I want to do is like ask everyone if
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  Speaker 5: they felt it. It's like I'm suddenly like going through
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  Speaker 5: my phone like who should I text? Like who's here?
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  Speaker 5: Who's who felt that? We're just like wait, process which.
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  Speaker 3: Is well, you just want yeah, what what are we
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  Speaker 3: trying to get from that? That's not going to help anything.
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  Speaker 3: I guess. It's just like, well, I just want to
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  Speaker 3: prove that this was a real thing that's happened.
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  Speaker 4: It's like to validate your experience.
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  Speaker 3: What if you heard all knows from everyone?
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  Speaker 4: Then I would probably commit myself.
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  Speaker 3: Really start questioning what's happening. Oh yeah, I mean we
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  Speaker 3: might get an aftershock during this podcast. That's my hope
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  Speaker 3: for us all to go through this together. So we'll
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  Speaker 3: grip the under the stable here, right, This feel like
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  Speaker 3: a sturdy table, Yeah, I feel like and the only
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  Speaker 3: thing above it, well that could this entire structure could collapse,
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  Speaker 3: of course, but that feels like it's aluminum or something,
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  Speaker 3: so I think it would be okay. And it would
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  Speaker 3: be something to talk about for years to come.
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  Speaker 4: It's true.
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  Speaker 3: I love a good story. Yeah, I love a good
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  Speaker 3: tell a good story. Have you been through any other
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  Speaker 3: sorts of natural disasters?
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  Speaker 4: No, okay, I mean does like Hurricane Sandy count Oh yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Oh then yes, because you live in New York, you've
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  Speaker 3: experienced hurricanes.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And a tree actually fell on top of my car.
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  Speaker 5: Oh during Hurricane Sandy. And I was driving like a
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  Speaker 5: ninety eight Honda, a cord that I saved all my
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  Speaker 5: money to.
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  Speaker 4: It was devastating.
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  Speaker 3: That's horrible. A cord could last one hundred years exactly.
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  Speaker 4: Its life was cut short.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, did the insurance cover anything?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, if if I bought it up
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  Speaker 5: at a police auction, okay, which is how you get cheap.
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  Speaker 3: Cars, it is a great time.
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  Speaker 5: But I didn't have money to fix it. And if
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  Speaker 5: I don't have money to if I'm buying a car
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  Speaker 5: to police auction, I probably don't have the best car insurance,
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  Speaker 5: you know, like I have the lowest lowest amount of
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  Speaker 5: car joins.
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  Speaker 4: You can have.
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  Speaker 3: So did you just have it towed away?
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  Speaker 5: It just kind of sat there. It just sat there
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  Speaker 5: for long enough for me to save up the money
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  Speaker 5: to fix.
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  Speaker 3: The lost fantastic. Are you still driving?
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  Speaker 4: I am still driving. I drive a minivan.
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  Speaker 3: To have a car in New York, I know what
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  Speaker 3: a luxury.
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  Speaker 5: I've actually never not had a car in New York,
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  Speaker 5: which I just came back from a month in New York.
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  Speaker 5: And that experience of just the train as a New Yorker,
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  Speaker 5: I hate the train.
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  Speaker 4: You don't like to take it. I would rather not
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  Speaker 4: go out.
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  Speaker 3: I I mean, I'm right there with you. It's a
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  Speaker 3: very bad feel that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not.
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  Speaker 3: Especially during extreme weather. Yes, just being packed in with
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not saying anything. They were here, but
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  Speaker 3: it's not for me, and I like to I mean
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  Speaker 3: the number one thing for me is I like to
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  Speaker 3: be able to listen to music at a loud volume.
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  Speaker 3: Oh and so a car that is the idea of
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  Speaker 3: space for that. That's my little private listening booth.
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  Speaker 5: What's your favorite thing to listen to right now? What
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  Speaker 5: are you rinsing?
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  Speaker 3: Oh that's a great question. Do you know what a
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  Speaker 3: song that I'm just listening to. It's an Australian band
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  Speaker 3: called pop Filter. Okay, and there's a song called Fragile
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  Speaker 3: that's got this kind of like and the song the
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  Speaker 3: title Fragile is a very tough title to say aloud.
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  Speaker 3: That sounds like a terrible song is going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: It's not. It's like kind of this rolling bass and drums.
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  Speaker 3: It's amazing. It's really really cool.
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  Speaker 4: Okay Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been listening to that a lot recently. What
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  Speaker 3: about you?
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  Speaker 4: Pop filter is a great it's a great band name.
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  Speaker 3: It's a great band name, but also very difficult to google.
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  Speaker 3: If you're trying to find.
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  Speaker 4: Music, you just find pop filters.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, just equipment.
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  Speaker 4: What have I been listening to?
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  Speaker 5: I've been listening to this shoegaze band from Detroit. They
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  Speaker 5: just I think it's from the nineties, like they just
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  Speaker 5: got a reissue. I don't think they're very popular in
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  Speaker 5: their time or got very popular. But their name is
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  Speaker 5: Majesty Crush.
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  Speaker 3: Majesty Crush. I haven't heard of them.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah you. This is amazing.
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  Speaker 5: And they have a song called brand okay that I've
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  Speaker 5: been rinsing and it's all about I think him being
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  Speaker 5: like addicted to beer or something.
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  Speaker 4: But it has so much emotion right right, It's really good.
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  Speaker 3: And this is kind of in the my bloody Valentine
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  Speaker 3: veins less washy. Okay, that makes sense right, it's more meary.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's one of the like the edgy, like harder sounds.
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  Speaker 3: This sounds good to me. I like a nice just
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  Speaker 3: my boyfriend frequently says what I like to listen to
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  Speaker 3: sounds like he's in an MRI. He's getting a catskin.
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  Speaker 5: Why do I understand exactly what them?
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  Speaker 3: My music taste kind of fluctuates between that and like music,
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  Speaker 3: you can roller skate too.
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  Speaker 5: I love music, you can roller skate too. I like
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  Speaker 5: making music you can rollers.
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  Speaker 3: But see and you kind of your music kind of
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  Speaker 3: fluctuates between all of That's why you're on this podcast.
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  Speaker 3: You do kind of everything. I need someone to do music.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's confusing for some I am having a good time.
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  Speaker 3: People want someone to do the exact same thing for
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  Speaker 3: their entire career and die.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I'm going to struggle with that. People are very rare.
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  Speaker 3: They have a hard time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I have a lot of interests.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you should be able to express their different interests.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly or else what's the fun?
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  Speaker 3: And I think what's confusing is you express all of them. Well,
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  Speaker 3: so people are like, they're confused. Yeah, they don't hear like,
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  Speaker 3: well pick one because you can do all of them.
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  Speaker 3: It's not like, oh, she can only do one thing.
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  Speaker 4: Well, well, thank you for saying. I hope that's true.
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  Speaker 3: What if I was just making some complete psycho now
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  Speaker 3: I would be really impressed with myself, with my lying. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I would be scared of myself at this.
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  Speaker 4: Point because I believed you.
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  Speaker 3: You were just playing at the Skirball Center, right, How
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  Speaker 3: was that?
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  Speaker 4: That was amazing.
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  Speaker 5: We haven't played much this year because last year was
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  Speaker 5: a huge tour, so it's nice to I love playing
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  Speaker 5: a museum. I love so tasteful, very classy. They put
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  Speaker 5: you in a conference room, it's air conditioned, you get dinner.
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  Speaker 5: You know, musicians were treated horribly, of course, so so
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  Speaker 5: a museum they really know how to.
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  Speaker 3: Treat it's because they don't know they can treat.
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  Speaker 4: You like exactly exactly. It's really really good. We want
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  Speaker 4: to uphold that.
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  Speaker 5: I was telling I was telling my manager, I would
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  Speaker 5: like to just do a museum circuit.
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  Speaker 3: That's a great idea, and it feels like enough of
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  Speaker 3: a gimmick that you could get it off the ground.
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  Speaker 5: I've played enough that they are singularly like they treat
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  Speaker 5: musicians like human beings. So so Scarball was really it
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  Speaker 5: was really it was really fun, like under the night sky.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure it was beautiful. Oh, I would have
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  Speaker 3: loved to go. I had tonsilidis at the time. What
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  Speaker 3: last week? I had tonsilidis.
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  Speaker 4: That's insane.
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  Speaker 3: Which all started with twenty four hours of thinking of'm
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  Speaker 3: my f cancer?
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  Speaker 5: Oh wow? Is that usually your first thought?
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  Speaker 3: Well, what happened? Yeah, it was kind of. I woke
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  Speaker 3: up in the middle of the night last I guess
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  Speaker 3: ten days ago or eleven days ago now, and there
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  Speaker 3: was like it was like, my throat feels a little swollen.
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  Speaker 3: That's weird. And it was the middle of the night,
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  Speaker 3: so it's of course like the worst possible thought.
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  Speaker 4: Yeap.
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  Speaker 3: And it was a Sunday, so I was like, well,
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  Speaker 3: I can go to the urgent care. I go to
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  Speaker 3: the urgent care and the doctor like feels my neck
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  Speaker 3: and it was just on one side, and she was like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: this is interesting. Maybe we could do some imaging. And
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  Speaker 3: then she's like, do you have any family history of
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  Speaker 3: lymphoma or cancer? And immediately like there's tears in my eyes.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I'm not sure. She's like, well, we
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  Speaker 3: should do some blood work. So the next thing, we're
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  Speaker 3: doing blood work and she's sending me home. Keep in
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  Speaker 3: mind she never looked in my throat.
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  Speaker 4: Oh no, he just went straight to.
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  Speaker 3: It, and yeah, the absolute worst thing. So for twenty
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  Speaker 3: four hours, I'm like waiting these results. But of course,
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  Speaker 3: by the time the twenty four hours are up, I
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  Speaker 3: have a fever and my throat is completely swollen. So
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, well maybe, yeah, but you think someone
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  Speaker 3: would want to check the throat before hopping to blood work.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to say what urgent care it was,
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  Speaker 3: but I will say, if you want to get a
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  Speaker 3: delicious but expensive breakfast and lost feelus. It's really you'll
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  Speaker 3: be able to get one very quickly.
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  Speaker 4: After this, oh exactly.
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  Speaker 3: But I think I'm ready to soothe the entire concept
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  Speaker 3: of urgent care.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that it's actually worth anybody's time.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, God bless everyone who works at urgent care,
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  Speaker 3: but I've had some rough experiences.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you go there in a panic, stay full panic,
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  Speaker 5: and they don't often help with the anxiety aspect of it.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, just ramping it up. Yeah, might
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  Speaker 3: give you some antibiotics. This time they gave me nothing.
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  Speaker 5: Oh well, when I had COVID for the first time,
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  Speaker 5: I went to urgent care because I thought I was dying.
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  Speaker 5: Of course I don't have a history of getting very sick.
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  Speaker 5: And I couldn't speak, and my voice is all I have.
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  Speaker 3: Of course that's not so terrifying. He's like, now my
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  Speaker 3: career is.
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  Speaker 5: Exactly like, well, great, who am I if I can't speak?
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  Speaker 4: Exactly have no other skills.
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  Speaker 5: And I couldn't speak, so I couldn't communicate, and they
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  Speaker 5: told me I had a throat infection due to the COVID.
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  Speaker 5: And it was the scariest anxiety I've I've ever had,
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  Speaker 5: because it's like it's kind of like, you know, you
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  Speaker 5: know that film where the drummer loses his hearing sound
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  Speaker 5: of metal? Yes, yes, that is like my biggest fear.
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  Speaker 5: So the thought that I couldn't sing was just I
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  Speaker 5: was in shambles for days.
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  Speaker 3: But of course, though had the worst happened, you would
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  Speaker 3: have become some sort of inspiration in another.
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  Speaker 5: Way, exactly Hopefully I should call you every time I'm
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  Speaker 5: in crisis. I need this restructure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to become like a crisis manager, just
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  Speaker 3: like but I forced the person to become sort of
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  Speaker 3: a new inspiration. We don't change their image.
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  Speaker 4: They inspire if we don't specify what exactly.
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  Speaker 3: But you're going to overcome and you're going to inspire.
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  Speaker 3: What was the last time you were sick? Have you
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: been sick this year?
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: I have not?
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: Okay, well, actually that's not does food poisoning count, of course? Okay,
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: then yes I've been sick.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: Who food poisoned you?
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: Well, the city of Lisbon?
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, Lisbon?
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Lisbon in general? Was it fish? Oysters?
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: Oh? I mean oysters. You can't go anywhere with them.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think i'll ever I ever will again.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a tough one to get over.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's uh.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: And oysters, I just I don't think that they're worth
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: the price of admission. Yeah, I think that they're Every
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: time I have one, I was like that was fine.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: It's never a magical experience. Or I'm like I'm glad
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: I risked horrible food poisoning for Yeah, that is true. Wow,
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: how long were you sick for?
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: I was sick for forty eight hours. Okay, like violently
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: for forty eight hours. And I thought I would be
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: okay because I see the water, like I think, like,
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: you know, I would never have an oyster in New York,
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: you know, So I thought I was being pretty savvy
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: about it.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: I was wrong to be sick with an ocean view.
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: It's cruel.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: Were you on tour or on vacation.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: I was doing an artist residency.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: Oh I know, I know it was, and it's a
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: place I really love. I considered moving there, but every
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: time I'm somewhere, I'm like, I could just leave it
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: all behind.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: So it does kind of feel that way. If I'm
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: like in a nice place and I've had one cup
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: of coffee, I'm like, I'm ready to start my life here.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: I don't need anything but the items in the suitcase.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: Exactly what this residency where you stay in like a
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: convent or what was the situation?
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: Well, I fortunately got to choose my own housing. So
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: I found this beautiful place in the historic neighborhood where
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: no cars were allowed. I mean I had to fly,
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: I had to like take so many stairs every day
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: to come in and out. But it was gorgeous and beautiful,
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: and the place where I was working on a piano
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: album that hasn't come out. This is an exclusive, an exclusive,
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: and the space where I was working was just a
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: five minute walk, so it kind of felt like campus.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Oh that sounds really nice.
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: Just walking home for lunch and then walking back to
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: the right to the studio.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Now, did you have to go up and down the
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: stairs when you had food poisoning?
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: Oh, because of course I don't speak Portuguese. You don't
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: realize how truly alone you are until you are sick
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: in a country that you don't live in. That all
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: was I was rethinking everything. I don't know how to
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: get around. Is there a target?
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Right? Of course, not.
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: Not to sound overly American, I'm only like a little
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: bit American, but I just didn't know where to get anything.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Was there like did you have to go to a pharmacy?
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: What was the deal?
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: I reached out to the people, the people that was
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: hosting my residency and it's like, I'm really sick, and
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: they they were like, here's.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: A hospital, how do I get there?
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: It was I think that makes it worse, being sick
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: and not knowing what to do about it.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, ye, and you're like, when you're sick, you're so emotional,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: you're just hanging by a thread, thinking it's never going
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: to end, and then to have stairs to deal with.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: I mean, I cried at the earthquake, so you could
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: imagine like what was going on for me emotionally.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: How did you find the Portuguese healthcare?
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: I think in general it's pretty accessible coming from here,
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: certainly even for foreigner. It's also really cheap, not so
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: consumerist but up selling everything. It's just kind of bare bones.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: But if you know what's wrong with you, they'll get
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: it done.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: They'll get it done, and you'll be out of there
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: with a you know, lovely Euros absolutely love you.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah. My one experience with out of country health care
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: was in Venezuela, okay, and I've probably talked about this
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: on this podcast, but it was from a sunburn and
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: an allergic reaction and I thought, truly felt my skin
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: was going to leave my body and I ended up
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: in an emergency room and they just hydrated me. The
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: nurse was wearing a leather jacket, I will say that,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: so that was an interesting vibe. But they took care
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: of me and I didn't have to pay a dime.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: Oh that's incredible.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Yes, this was I believe this was under Hugo Chaves
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: w Rain. But you know they took care of me.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: Did you speak Spanish?
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: No, I friended, Thank god. Otherwise I would have died.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: In the street.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: That would have been would watched my skin crawl away
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: and my skeleton and whatever's left just sink into the
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: great of the street. But yeah, I've had a perfectly
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: fine time. Portugal, though, feels like a lovely place. It
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: feels like they're trying to lure all of us there.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: I am with that, with that agenda.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Yes, I've heard that it's like kind of easy for
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: American expats.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: To go there. Yeah, it's I would move there.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: What is it?
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: What's happening there? You know?
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: Every time I've gone, which is a lot, like five times.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, your hooks.
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm addicted to it and Porto Lisbon, all of it.
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: Every experience has been different. But it feels like reinvent
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: It feels like you can reinvent yourself there. Oh but
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: actually in a way that's sustainable and masting right, you know,
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: not in that fleeting way that being on vacation will get.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: You that sounds like enough for me. Yeah, and then
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: I'll just avoid the oysters. You should visit they probably
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: have other good seafood. Definitely, I'm with it. I can
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: get into that. You are, well, I think we should
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: get into something else that I need to talk to
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: you about. Unfortunately, I'm not thrilled. I'm obviously I was
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: excited to have you here on the podcast today. I thought,
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: I'm already a fan of Vagabont's music. What could possibly
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: go wrong? We'll have a nice chat and then we'll
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: move on with our lives. And then, of course we
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: had this kind of important doom earlier with the earthquake.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: That should have been the first sign that something was
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: going to go wrong. But then the big thing happened,
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: which was you showed up holding what couldn't be more
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: clearly a gift.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: That is correct?
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: This is this a gift for me?
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: It definitely is.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Okay, the podcast is called I said no gifts.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I was raised with manners.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Oh what are you trying to say about me?
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Nothing, okay, Well we'll just put that aside for now.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Should I open it here on the podcast?
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: Yes? Please?
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: Now, this is interesting because I'm looking at this bag,
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: which I will say matches my shirt perfectly. But it's
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: this Portugal on it. Yes, it is Ceramica's now Lena.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: As you can tell, I speak Portuguese perfect accent, and
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: then Portugal and then des Day twenty eleven, which I
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: established I speak Portuguese. I'll get this ribbon here. Now
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: did we get into Portugal just naturally?
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Sick sickness?
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Interesting for this to be the bag.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: This podcast brings everything together. This is the center of
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: the universe. Okay, there are two things in here? Should I?
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: Yes? There are many things, a lot of first yes, okay.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: There's an inner brown bag. Setting this aside. I feel
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: like we haven't gotten a lot of creak. It's been
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: missing from a podcast.
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: A lot of this packaging is crink blue.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, and now we've got more tissue the listener. Finally,
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: this is a noise renaissance for the podcast. Oh okay,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: I forgot I'm wow. Okay, So the first thing I'm
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: looking at, Okay, there's a soap, smelling pine cone, soap
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: something like.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: I can't read it. It's in Portuguese.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: It seems I have a pine cone on it. That's
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: the assumption and then there's a some sort of voucher. Yes,
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: what's happening here?
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: A book of vouchers, A book of vouchers. Yes, that
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: is potentially half used.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'd like a half used anything.
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: It's I found it in this in this Portuguese store
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: called Vita Portuguesa, and I found it in the kids section,
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: and I thought it was really cute because it's it's
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: love vouchers.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all sorts of helicopter is so nearby earthquake check.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Get out of here, everyone who can mind your own business, perverts. Okay,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: So it's a bunch of vouchers. For example, a voucher
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: for a week without housekeeping, Yes, a voucher for at
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: breakfast in bed. Oh, you've give you've used what you've
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: used too here? God knows what. Oh, let's say. Oh,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: a voucher for turning our home into a spa. And
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: an erotic surprise. So I assume those are what's in
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: the rest of the bag. A voucher for an apology,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: a voucher for an unforgettable dinner about No, wait, I'm
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: back here. Get us was in the kids section. It
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: was the erotic surprise.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: It was in the kids section. I don't know, maybe
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: it was misplaced, but I like to tell the story.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: That's where I found it.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, this is sort a voucher for either a
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: sunset or a starry night that feels like God's work.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: A voucher for an outdoor activity. Now that's more child
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: friendly lazy weekend. Okay, and oh there's one more at
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: the end here for whatever love demands.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, Okay, now we're talking.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: I think it's I mean, hey, that can be used
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: in friendship.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Friendship could be used in partnership, Erotic friendship, could be used.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: In parental an apology.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: How many of us are parental apology?
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: Exactly?
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: These are all life moments exactly. I love this. Then
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: I don't have to actually write one down, and I couldn't.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: I feel like I should give you and Analie one
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: right now. That's appropriate. So I'm not sexually harassing people
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: on the podcast. I'm a quickly pick.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: I'm so intrigued. Okay, we have a surprise analyse.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I'm so excited. There's one I'm really hoping for. Really, yeah,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I won't reveal what that is till after.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, Tis, I'm giving you a voucher for an apology.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: You can use that on this podcast or later and onalise.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: There are only a few that were free and didn't
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: require any work. This is a voucher for either a
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: sunset or a starry night. So you let me know
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: when you want one of those.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: I'll take that.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: I'll take it, and I'll get to work.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: It's not the apology that I wanted.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: You wanted the apology. You will never get an apology
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: from Oh dare you? There's only one person present that
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: will get an apology.
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: I will apologize.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: You're going to apologize to me.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: By the end of this podcast.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: No, you're going to get an apology for me, and
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: you can ask for any apology you want. I will
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: give you the most heartfelt apology you can imagine. Okay, So,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: just when you're ready to spring it on me, say
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: I need an apology, perfect for Blank Perfect. Now I've
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: got Should we keep talking about these vouchers? Have you
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: did you ever make these when you were a kid?
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: I did not.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: I feel like we would make them for our parents, really,
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: or it would be like a voucher for the car
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: getting washed or the lawn getting moted. Things basically they
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: would already want us to do anyway.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: That's interesting. I only moved to America when I was twelve.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: Oh so yeah, I feel like we make a lot
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: of the Yeah.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like it past twelve, you're not making
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: parents exactly.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: I would have really liked it. I think it's really
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: are you are you going to use it?
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: Of course already I put it into work, that's true,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: and I might mail these without a return address. People
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: will be so scared.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: I'm glad. I think it's a really great it's a
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: good thing.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: This is a great thing. I like. I feel like
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: as a kid, when you make them, nobody ever cashes
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: in on them. They're like, well, it's a kid, I'm
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: not going to make them do it. But as an adult,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: if I give this to someone, they're going to demand
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: that I do it.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: I think it's I think it's romantic.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's lovely. I'm going to make use
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: of these, and the people that get them are going
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: to I hope they're grateful.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Did you ever make your parents any sort of gifts
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: as a kid?
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: No? Wow, not at all.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Rude kid, rude, never painted.
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: A picture, never painted a picture. My parents didn't really.
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: I don't think they really had much affinity for the arts.
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: Oh okay, I would make them breakfast.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Oh that's nice. Okay, what are you making for breakfast?
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: These days are back then, back then, and these days
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: back then?
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: I would make an omelet.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Okay, what's happening in this omelet?
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: Everything? Like everything?
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: Bell peppers Okay, great, I think they're disgusting, but put
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: them in there.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: Bell peppers, onions, onions. That works, that's it.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, you lost to our definitions of everything are.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: Yes, and you know we would we would always have
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: like a fresh bagette every morning.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Oh well, I mean the omeline can be absolute garbage
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: if the bagets.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: Girl, Yes, it's all about the fresh bag.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: At right, right? Oh, to have fresh bag attes.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: And I mean what wheat? That was what my parents
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: would have. What we would have. My favorite breakfast was
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: warm milk and corn flakes.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Oh the milk in the corn flakes. Oh yeah, so
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: it kind of turns to a mush.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like porridge exactly, but it's like it's warm. Also,
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: corn flakes taste significantly better everywhere outside.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Of the U.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Yes, I wonder why that is taste different. What are
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: they putting them on them? Hair?
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: No clue, no clue.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: But to this day, when I get to France or wherever,
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: it's like my nostalgic breakfast, I'll go.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: Get corn flakes. Corn flakes.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: I wonder if it's a more pure corn.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: I think so. I think so, And it doesn't get like,
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: it doesn't disintegrate as easy. I can talk about this
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: for a week.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: They truly in America, absolutely van I mean, they just
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: do not make any sense within a liquid. They make
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: the liquid worse, and the liquid makes them worse. I lose,
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: lose for everybody. The idea of adding warm milk and
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: turning into more of a porridge makes sense, delicious, like
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: oh it should be saut. Yes, cornflakes are not eating
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: them otherwise exactly. And you don't like a bell pepper,
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: no even.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: Raw, especially raw?
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: What color are we talking about?
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: Green? Yellow?
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: For people?
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: Which one's there?
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: I would say red and yellow, or they're a little sweeter.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: I had a friend who ate them like apples.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: I would, well, I have to have a slice stuff.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: Okay, at least that's a little bit to.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Just bite into something that's not an apple. What are
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: we doing?
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just don't know.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: No, people do that with onions. Yeah, I feel like
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: they're just trying to prove something.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: I have pretty weird taste buds as well, so I
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: guess I can't jud prove. But well, I'm a little
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: as fraid to say. Well, I ate paper for a
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: while when I was a kid. Oh wow, how much
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: paper like a good A good amount?
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Like daily? You're reading paper, well.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: A couple times a week?
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: And was it like a secret snack?
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: I should have been more discreete.
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: I should have been more discreete, But I, in fact
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: did it in front of whoever.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: I thought that the I liked the tape, The like
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: the bland, right, you just like the chewing, Yes, I
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: like the chewing.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: That's kind of what twizzlers are for me.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: You used to love twizzlers.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: I love that chew. Yes, slavor, I could take relief
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: that texture, right, they should just have that as a
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: plain thing that I can just now.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: Exactly, rice cakes, Oh, rice cakes, it kind of does
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: the same thing. Tastes like nothing.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Kind of these bland chewy it's more of a toy
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: than a food, yes, exactly. But paper was doing that?
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: And were your parents like you need to stop it.
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: Yes, yes they were concerned. I was very very young,
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: but they were like that that's going to hurt you.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Was it a habit that had to be broken or
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: was it just like okay, now it's over.
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: It was now it's over.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Oh okay.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: Maybe I wanted attention. I don't know. I know exactly
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: was going on.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: It wasn't my strange addictions choice, no couestionately, now the
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: soap here? Are you a bar soap person?
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: You're a shower gel person.
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: Yes, I am a shower cherison. It's it's hard to try.
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: I travel a lot. How do you transport a bar
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: of soap bar?
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: I never even thought about that.
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: And it feels wasteful. There'd just be a bunch of
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: bars of soak. You never really get it all down
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: to the little which is why I gave you that.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: I won't want to kind of push the blame off
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: on me.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: It's yours on.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: This is more of a hand soap so I guess
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: I could put it next to the sink exactly, or
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: just keep it in its paper for years to come.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: It's pretty beautiful, right.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm more of a shower gel person. Myself. Yeah,
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: just a dab. But that's all you need. You can
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: transport it. Actually, it's oh, that's also kind of hard
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: to transport though, unless you have a three ounce bottle.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: Well, are you a strictly carry on person?
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: I am. Oh, I've gone real psycho with carry on.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Oh wow, I need tips. I cannot.
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm at the point where my check bag
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: is like seventy pounds. It's like, I mean, I cannot
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: travel light A wow.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: I can't stand next to a luggage carousel ever. Again. Really,
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: it's oh, at the end of a flight, to be
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: standing there, I just want to die.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: So I will pack almost nothing. I will have one
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: outfit for a four week vacation. If that's what it takes.
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: I'm impressed.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's very impressive.
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: I am so overloaded at the airport, Like people are concerned.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: Options like I take.
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: I think because I tour so much and have toured
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: so much for the last seven years. I take a candle,
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: a candle like one that will, you know, take me
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: through the entire tour.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: That's kind of a nice little tradition.
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: Right, because hotel rooms everything smells weird. So if I
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: take a candle I burn.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: In my house.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: It kind of gets me smart, a nice experience of
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: maybe I'm home or this smells like home.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Oh I like that.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: I do these things add up.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: I take my own pillowcases, my own sheets.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Okay, wow, so you are You're just moving yeah.
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: Constantly, which is probably why I feel like I could
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: just leave everything behind.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're paying a lot of check bag.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: Well I have I have status on Delton.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Oh right, because you are touring out, so you're getting
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: the points.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so they're enabling me.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Okay, they you know, just keep upping it up. Eventually
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: they're going to pull the rug from underneath you and
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: you're going to say, how do I what do you do?
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: I mean to be fair.
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: I also carry a lot of equipment around, right, which
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: is very heavy.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: So it's not all personals.
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Now, going back to this piano album, we don't have
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: to talk about it if you don't want to. But
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: when the time comes that that gets released, what how
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: does that work? Touring? Do venues just have a piano
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: for you or do you take a big keyboard?
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: Well, I I would like it to be strictly piano.
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: Some venues have them, but you can also request them
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: to be right for the night and tuned.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you want a real analog piano.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: Yes, real, that's a great piano.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, how are you on a piano?
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: Decent?
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's all you need.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, I am self taught in all of the instruments,
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: but I am a student, so I think I'm okay, okay,
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: but I have a point of view with my.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Pay kind of all it takes forms some chords exactly.
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't need to really know what's going on.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Does doing it all on piano feel like a giant
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: departure for you?
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, is it scary?
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: It is scary.
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: I wanted to do it on an instrument, I know
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: the least, which is maybe insane, but as a way
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: to get me to be more proficient instrument and I've
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: always liked working with like orchestral instruments. The album before
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: this most recent one, I would use a lot of streams,
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: and I kind of wanted to go back to a
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: more analogue.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: Orchestral. Yeah. For the art Museum's circuit.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, this is all lining up. Let me
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: run an idea by you. I may have run this
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: by somebody else. On this podcast before. But I think
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: musicians when there's a stylistic shift for the new album. Yeah,
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: this is my pitch to musicians everywhere. They pick a
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: song from the last album, cover it in the new
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: style on the album.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: I love that idea.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: It feels like an interesting introduction to the as the
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: listeners like, oh, I love the song the last album. Oh,
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: it's so interesting here.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: I love that.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Why am I not producing music?
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: You really should be a producer.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: I've got to be behind boards. You gonna get me
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: behind the board.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: Someone get in a room with knobs on a board.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Just tanking careers right and the left. They call them
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: the grim Reaper huff the music industry.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: I think that's a I think that's a brilliant idea.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: I love I love recording music, but I love performance
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: and I like to reimagine music for the stage.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: I love to hear this so it's.
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: So fun like and it offers something if you come
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: to see the show. Yes, a new That's why I
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: like to see shows.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: You are absolutely speaking my language. I'm always so frustrated
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: when people are like they sound just like the recording, Like,
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: well then I should have stayed home. Yes, Yeah, show
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: me something else that's gone. I mean, I'm glad to
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: see you standing on a stage playing the instruments, but
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: it's fun to even rough it up a bit exactly.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: Oh my god. Yeah.
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: So anytime anyone has heard me saying just a little
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: bit off the pitch, I'm doing it on purpose, just
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: switching things out.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: That's why you go see something live to see a
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: slightly less perpose. True, it's true because the album version
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: they've done a hundred times to make sure it was interestine. Yeah,
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: which is fine.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: I mean in my current show, I have live saxophone
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: on eighty percent of the show and my album has
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: maybe twenty percent.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: That's so great saxophone. But it's like, it's it's fun.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: It's course just for exciting. Yeah, it exists in that moment.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: Right, It's something you don't get to take home with.
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: You just for the evening exactly.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Which for me can then later be frustrating where I'm like,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: I should have recorded that on my phone. I'm desperate
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: to hear that again.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: And then you go to the next show.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're hooked, and that's how you get that.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: I guess that's how you sell out the ship.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: Have you ever had a huge mistake on stage?
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: Yes, definitely, Can we talk about it? Definitely?
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: I mean I think the more electronics are involved in
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: a live show, the more room for.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Error, that seems. So that's surprising to me.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: Right because it should be some level of a shirt
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: and it.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: So cold and ready to go.
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah. No, one time, I've just with this most recent show,
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: I've just started using a click in my ear. In
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: my ear because there are songs that flux, you know,
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: and on stage you're just you're plugged into an adrenaline
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: machine and you can't always trust your personal sense of timing,
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: and when other people rely on it, like your band,
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: you kind of need to have some exact So one
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: time I was in Europe and the click, the metronome
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: for a song that is steady at you know, one
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: hundred and three or something, kept getting faster as I.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: Was playing the song.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Oh boy, and oh this is a panic.
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I didn't know what to do. I couldn't
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: adjust my personal timing. I couldn't adjust. It was just
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: the computer failed me. It completely failed me, and it
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: was bad. But you know, everyone, you know, everyone does
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: that thing. Where I stopped, looked confused. Everyone does that
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: thing where they're like.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: Whoa one person is like clap performance. Yeah, that was
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: really embarrassing that.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Have you ever played Tetris? No, when you lose Tetris
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: towards the end of it, it gets into this moment where
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: the music starts speeding up and you go into a
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: real panic. That's as close as I can get to
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: that feeling.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: It's awful, it's awful.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: Wow. You can't trust a machine anywhere? No, you simply can't.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: Can trust them.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Wow. Wow wow. Okay, well, we still have other things
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: to open here. Yes, I'm just dilly dallying. That's okay,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: we're pulling out then, is this okay to open the
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: next one?
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: Okay, pulling this out more noise? Oh oh oh, so
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: it's first, it's your seat. It's fascinatingly your CD, yes,
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: which I mean is now it's such an interesting thing
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: to own of your last album. Everybody should listen to it. Sorry,
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: I haven't called this phenomenal listener if you haven't heard
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: it yet with the program Pull Yourself Together. And then
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: there's the vinyl for Red, White and Royal Blue, which
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: you have a song on.
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: Yes, exactly, now I brought you the CD because you bought,
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: I brought.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Oh brought. I was gonna say, if you paid money
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: for your own CD, something's wrong had an effect on you.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: I went to the Star, I went to I think
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: CDs are are back.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: They probably. I think it's the we're in this where
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: CDs should be coming.
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: Backs are back, And I think that you should start
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: your collection if you don't already have.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: I have a large one still at my parents' house.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: Oh that's wonderful.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: One of those people catalog.
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's why we worth so much money.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: Physical media. Yes, I mean we won't name names as
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: far as streaming services go, but someday, the big earthquakes
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: in the common, we're all going to want some sort
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: of physical meeting. What what about CDs coming back? Like,
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: what makes you think they're coming back?
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: Well, I've been lucky enough to operate in a physical
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: media space of my music.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: The people who listen to my music will buy records,
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: they buy vinyl, they buy CDs.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: People in Europe buy a lot of CDs.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Oh interesting, I didn't know that, buy.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: A lot more than in the US. Touring in Europe,
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: It's like, I'm just like we need to double up,
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: triple up.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: On the CDs they love interesting, But.
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: I think because vinyl is now Beyonce has Final right
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: and Adele has Finyl, you know, not to sound like
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: a but you know, when we were playing our basement shows,
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: we had we made because.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Of course I remember the cassette revive.
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and and like you know, I'm not like sixty seven,
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: but like we were making cassettes because we needed something
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: to sell, right, the merch table of these small shows.
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: So I think that there are a lot of people
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: who really like to own. Oh it feels physical medium.
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: But CDs are now just really affordable.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: How much does a CD run this these days?
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: Ten twelve?
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: See, that's a nice regular price for music.
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: Yes, and you can you can still play them in
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: your car. People are carrying CD players around now more,
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: and they like the krackle well.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: And this is the other thing I love about anything
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: that's not streaming. And when I'm streaming, I just do
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: this manually, is turn it on so it loops. Yes,
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: so I can listen to an album over and over
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: and over that which makes me, I'm sure sound like
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: I'm a billion years old. But I love to appreciate
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: just an album and get to know what and remember
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: the lyrics exactly it's like, and then it like you
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: can really tie it to moments in time, and then
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: it becomes part of your general life exactly so. And
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: with the CD, if you're out with the CD, well
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: what do we even call that a disc?
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: One?
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, with that and you're one CD, that's all you're
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: going to be listening.
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: That's all you're listening to, and you really get to
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: I really care about the sequence of my albums.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: Spend a lot of time on them.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: The shuffle button should be sent into oblivion. Yes, anytime
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: someone has the shuffle button on on an album, I
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: just I don't trust their taste.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: No, on an album, this is what you do. That's
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: like reading a book from.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: Different trying to put it together.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: It makes its wild.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I get very snobby when it comes to this
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: sort of thing, but it's because I'm right. Yeah, everyone,
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: most people are wrong. Most people need to pull it
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: together and actually figure out how to listen to music.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: Yes, it's like you can have your favorites.
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: Of course you click in and out of, but at
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: least give it a full listen a few times.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: The favorites are kind of the entry points sometimes and
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: then then they're kind of the tent poles, and then yes,
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: they allow you to let the other ones become.
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: Favorites exactly, because also when you're choosing singles or highlight tracks,
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: you're also reserving some really good ones for like album
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: songs like this is to be discovered.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: You can't just give it all.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no no. That's a deep cut. Yeah, that's
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: a deeply Do you have a favorite album in life?
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: I know that's a big question.
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: Oh, a favorite album maybe the Miseducation of Lauren Hill.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: If I had to choose one. It's so good that
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: I can listen to that forever.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: They just canceled their whole tour.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: It's it's a shame, I know what, an absolutely shame. Yeah,
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: that's a very very good choice. Yeah, favorite song on
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: that album of all time.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: Favorite song of all time, Young Hearts Run Free.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Oh that's a great song. Yeah, I really it's a
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: really wonderful song.
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: I really like that.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: I adore that song.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: That's just what I could go.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: I haven't listened to that in a long time. Yeah,
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: that's a real rock solid pick. Yes, least favorite.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: Song, least fit. What would you just.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: Say is the worst song ever made? This is a
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: question I love to ask.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: Oh man, a worst song? The worst song ever made?
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: I have a whole playlist, if you'd like some suggestions.
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: I would love some suggestions.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: Okay, well I'll tell you My least favorite song ever
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: is Red red Wine by Ub forty. It's a cover
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: of Red red Wine. Have you heard this?
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: No?
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: I hope you never have to hear this piece of music.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: It is excruciating agony, Red red Wine, absolute agony. To
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: listen to. Life is a highway.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: Oh, that is really bad.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: That one's rough to hear.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: That is really bad.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: Let's see how do I find this? It's in my Spotify?
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: Was I made it a long time ago?
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: Isn't Life is a highway? Kind of like funny?
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: No, it just sucks. Here's some others, Jack and Diane.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: You know this song by John Mellencamp. Oh, yes, that
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: is any song where it's kind of like phony Americana.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: I can't get into it. Are You Gonna Be My Girl?
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: By Jet?
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: You hate that?
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: That is an old Navy commercial. Bad to the bone.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: No one has ever liked that song. Taken care of business,
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: hate it. Who's that by Bachman Turner Overdrive?
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: I don't know that one.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna sing it. I'm not going to subject anybody.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: Even if I could sing, well, I wouldn't subject anybody
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: that song. Imagine Dragon's Believer. Oh, hate it, Born to
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: be Wild, hate it old time rock and roll, hate it? Wow, Hotel, California.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: I'm so sorry you hate that one. Hate it? I mean,
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: this is eighty five songs long. Wow. So those are
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: a few. Anyone can look this up. It's called the
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: absolute worst songs on Spotify Uptown Funk. Of course that's
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: an easy target. Now have I been able to Is
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: your mind working here with the worst music ever? I
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: would yes, yes, okay, And what would you say?
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: I feel like there are a couple of one Republic songs.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, let's just say that whole catalog, that
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: whole Republic don't reach out.
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I.
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: Really don't like that one. There are a few songs
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: on the radio that I but I can't.
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I never invest the time to know
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: who who sings them.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: You know, I will say, at least as far as
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: songs on the radio goes, songs by men are overwhelmingly
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: worse than the ones sung by women. Yes, pop music
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: sung by men is almost always uniformly terrible, but women
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: are able to do good pop music. Yes, I'm like,
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: what's a pop singer? Aren't male pop singer? Who's good?
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: Can we name one we might be able to Yeah,
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: we're all drawing a blank. Yeah, simply nobody comes to mind.
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: I'm not getting any.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think I've made my point. But the
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: other I was going through this list, I was thinking,
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: this is just like a radio station.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: This is jack fam exactly.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: This is something someone would put on in an a
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: dentist's office, yeah, and be like this is this will do?
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like i've do you remember that band
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: the Lumineers.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: Do I know that band the Lumineers. How about ho
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: Hey by the Lumineers. That's right, yeah, Oh that's a
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: whole sound. Yeah, that's a whole sound. And there are
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: other bands. I mean, people get really sensitive about their
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: favorite types of music when they get mad when I'm
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: talking about how horrible it is, But the Luminaers are awful.
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: It's just not There was like.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: From twenty ten to fourteen, there was the Big O
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: music with.
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: Band boards and yeah, oh killing instrument which is like.
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: As a lover of folk slash, I even love like
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: honky Tonk. There are so many good kinds of that stuff.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: This is the awful verse.
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: This is like And of course that was popular.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: Oh yes, you know it was inescapable for a while. Yeah,
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: the Lumineers. There was the British guys at the band sho.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: I can never remember their name, uh.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: Not Mumford and Son.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: Mumford and Son.
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: That's the one.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, look, everyone's got their thing. But it's horrible,
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: it's absolutely awful. At least you have a least favorite song.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: Serre. When you were listing all of those songs in
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: that playlist, huh, I agreed with every single one except
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: for the Jet song.
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: I will get behind that because that's catchy. Okay, it
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: is catchy fun.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Also, I have memories of Kate Winslet dancing to it
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: in The Holiday, which is the favorite Nancy Meyers film.
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: But Holiday, Yeah, that's my favorite.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: Oh I haven't even seen the movie. Maybe this will
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: change my mind on Jet. It won't, but.
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: The Holidays of great movie.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: Jet was one of those bands that came at the
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: end of that period of like the garage rock revival
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: of good music. And then they were like, we're getting
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: on this, We're gonna make it horrible. Yeah, let's go boys,
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: and they ruined it. They really killed Yeah. But I
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: could talk about my least favorite music all day and
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: just alienate every person on earth. People get so mad
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: about music. But let's just name him three more American
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: Pie by Don McLean, that song, Oh, let's see here
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: my humps of course, black Eyed.
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: Peace, Oh my god, you don't like that song.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: And then let's go with let's see here. Oh boy,
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: there's so many bad songs in the world. Let's see here,
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: Youth of the Nation pod. Do you know this song?
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: That's a bad one. That's a that's an early thousands
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: like new metal song, which I in my opinion, the
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: early thousands are the absolute bottoming out of music. When
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: that sort of song was able to be top of
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: the charts.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: Wow, it was.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: It was like that Woodstock ninety nine, just the worst
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: of the worst. What are we doing? Culture? And we
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: made it out.
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: I'm so glad we did.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: But I occasionally see people towing the line with nostalgia
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: for that, and I think don't go back.
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm cute. I'm cue is Nickelback on there?
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: I'm sure they are.
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: I'm sure there's a New Yorker piece about why everyone
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: hates Nickelback so much.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: There must be, right, But I don't mind them.
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: I don't mind them all that much. They weren't as
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: offensive as interesting as the lore.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: I wonder. I don't think they're as excruciating as some
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: of the stuff here. I think that probably at the time,
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: they were played so much and it was so just
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: generic pearl Jam ripoffs sort of thing that people are
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: just like, what is this trash? And they were right
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: there with Creed, so it was like a double you
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: know attack. I feel like we were just talking about
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: them on this podcast, maybe with Joe Castle Baker. Yeah,
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: was he talking about liking Nickelback or are you talking
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: about liking Creed?
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: Wow?
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: Okay, well I can't. For the record, I am not
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: a Nickelback fan. I am simply a curious.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: You're doing a full covers album, could you imagine? I
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: mean I think that there. I think that things really
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: turned around for the worst for them. Everyone turned when
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: they did the look at this photograph and like the
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: music video is literally him showing a photograph and people
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: were like, well, this is okay, it is stupid, we
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: get it.
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: It's not artful.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: It's no longer artful. Nickelback is no longer tasteful. Okay,
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: should we talk about either of these anymore?
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: I mean we've seen it.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: Everybody seek out Vagabond's music. I'm telling you you're in
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: for a treat. Okay. Now we're pulling out the final item.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: Oh and this is a new sound that I don't
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: think we've right. This could almost be a limit.
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: It's a lot of texture.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: Okay. Oh oh, I am thrilled about this. It's a
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: dye kit. Just yesterday I went to take a two
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: pieces of clothing to be dyed at this community die
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: bath called Sway, and I was thinking, on the way,
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: I should look up how to dye things. I bet
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: it's not that difficult.
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, Well that's perfect.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: What is happening?
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: This is great?
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: I mean you should, I mean continue to support the
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: local place. I mean you could dye candles.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: You can dye candles.
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: Oh, how does that work? Like beeswax candles?
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: You just.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: I don't even understand.
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you can create like a gradient almost like this
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: and like die them.
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: Oh that sounds great. Yeah?
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: And is this is this a tide kit or is
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: it multiple colors?
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: It's a it's a dye kit.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: It okay, yeah, see here, I'm not open it because
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: I want to see do easy open? Oh I'm this
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: is the color gold and yellow that I was going
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: to do my shirts. Oh my god, and I'm gonna
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: I feel like, what do I do? I just get
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: a bucket of water, basically dump the sin in the backyard. Yes,
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: not to wear I would ruin my house. And then
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: how long do I have to put the piece of
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: clothing in there?
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: That is a really good question.
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: I kind of just eyeball it and I get it wrong,
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: But that's kind of the fun of it, right, that's
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: the perfection of exactly no precision, right, except don't get
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: it everywhere?
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: And I should put some gloves on.
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: Put gloves on.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: And how long total would this little project take me?
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: Well, including the waiting, yes, probably twenty four hours?
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: Twenty four hours. And now here's a question. I have
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: a lot of raccoons coming through the yard, Okay, So
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: should I put it in the bucket and then put
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: it in a secure place.
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: I feel like they would be the church. The smells.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, okay, I these raccoons. If
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: anything that they will bring straws.
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: Maybe you get one of those buckets that have lids.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's a bucket with a lid. Yeah, now this
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: is something I haven't considered. And maybe I'll look into that.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: Or I think I'm just going to find a secure
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: place away from the raccoons and they won't be able
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: to get to it. Yeah, this is going to change
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: my life.
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: I can't wait to see what you make.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: I've got so many shirts and clothing that require dyeing,
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: and these are all colors that work with my complexion. Yes,
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: if you had brought a red I would have had
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: to say, this isn't going to work for me. It
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: makes me look sick.
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: Do you die? Do you dye them all different colors
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: or just one?
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: I usually like a nice, solid one colory.
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: So how come you don't purchase the thing and the
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: color you desire?
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: Well, because usually what I like to do is I'll
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: have a shirt and I'm like, well, I love the
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: shirt so much, but it's time as this color is over,
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: and you know I'm trying. Yeah, most of the time.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: But to you know, reuse clothing. Yes, and so if
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: I have a shirt that I really liked and it
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: feels just tired or whatever, I'm like, it's time for
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: you to be resurrected. That's great, It's great. This dye
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: place has completely changed everything.
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: I'm not considered that and now I'm.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: Basically pirrating from them. They're not going to see another
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: sent for me.
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: They won't be They'll be like, wow, it's been a while.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: Now everybody s u a Y go to Sway Die Shop.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: They're great. They should give me a discount. They should
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: reach out to.
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: Me because now I want to go there. You should.
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: And they also make really cool clothes. See all out
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: of recycled clothing. Wow, phenomenal.
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: I love that.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: But you just so explain why you brought this.
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: The everything, the dye kit.
• 58:46
  Speaker 5: Well, I had an extra one, and I just think
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: crafting is a good way to spend time. You know,
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: I hadn't really tapped into like my sense of play
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: or doing any thing besides music.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: I know how you feel. I didn't even have music.
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: It's I mean, I really it's like, I was like, Okay,
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: this can't be my entire identity, Like, I need to
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: have other things that I do and.
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: Get excited about.
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: And so I tried a few different things, and dying
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: was something I got really into.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: What have you been dying?
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: Candles?
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: Strictly candles, no clothing.
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I've done like kitchen napkins before, which is nice
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: and nice gift. I will buy like linen, kitchen napkins
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: or something and then die though, and that feels really special.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: Right, very custom.
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I haven't done like clothing, mostly like tablecloths and
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: and yeah, exactly, I'm doing strictly clothing. Yeah, well that's
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: that's I think that's probably it's intended.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, who do you have any pictures of the candles?
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: Oh? I don't? Okay, really should that you've done it?
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: It's true, it's true. How could anyone know?
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: Finally we get to the bottom of this. You being
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: a huge liar. I've exposed you fraud. Well, I'm thrilled
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: about this. The listener will have to keep an eye
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: out for some dyeed clothing. Everybody look at Instagram. My
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: clothes are gonna be all sorts of colors. Anytime something
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: looks bad on me from now on, that'll probably be
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: something I made, so keep an eye out for that.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: But I'm going to do a yellow first, probably maybe
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: even today. Just get into it.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: Do you keep all of all of the things you.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: Oh giving away? Yeah, none of them until just recently
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: we did our first live show and I gave away
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: some of the gifts.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: Nice.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: And we're doing this live show in New York October
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: thirteenth at the Bellhouse. Everybody buy tickets where we'll be
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: giving away some more gifts. I'm trying to slowly get
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: rid of stuff.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I can imagine you need. A lot of Your
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: house is just full.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: It's so much of it is worthless. So much of
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: it is I mean, no apologies to anyone, it's crap.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: There are a few meaningful items, a few useful items,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: and then my home is just you know, you just
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: picture a landfill, a dump. That's my house at this point.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: You live amongst it all.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: Yes, I'm just crawling over seas of garbage. But none
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: of this qualifies for that You've given a very thoughtful,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: thoughtful gift. Oh, I think it's time to play a game.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: Let's do it.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: Let's play gift or a curse. Okay, I need a
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: number from one or ten from you? What did I say?
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: I need a number between I need a number between
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: one and ten from you.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: I will choose five.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: Okay, I have to do some light calculating. So right
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: now you can recommend, promote, do whatever you want.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: I'll be right back. Okay.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: Recommending, I definitely recommend you listen to Majesty Crush, and
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: I recommend the All Time Cookbook if you like cooking.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: I recommend my third album, Sorry I Haven't Called, which
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: is out now on none such records, and you can
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: listen to that. You can listen to the previous two albums,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: because I have three in the singles world. I am
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: on my third album.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's it, beautiful again, everyone go listen to vagabon
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: full albums.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: Full albums.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: Start with the most recent albums. Listen all the way
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: through multiple times, and then you'll be ready to go
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: on to a new album.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: Perfect.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: Train yourself to have some level of paying attention. Yes,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: let's have an attention span for ten minutes. This is
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: how we play gift or a curse. Okay, I'm gonna
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: name three things. You're gonna tell me if there are
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: a gift or a curse and why, and then I'll
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: tell you if you're right or wrong, because there are
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: correct answers. Am I perfectly clear?
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: You are okay?
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: This first one is from a listener named Kylie. Kylie
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: suggested curse hosting a dinner party and all the guests
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: leave their leftovers with you?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: What curse? What all of the guests leave their leftovers?
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: That is a curse. I don't have the fridge space
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: I don't want. I love leftovers, but I don't want
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: the influx of leftovers and my fridge. Then I have
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: to get rid of them because I can only eat
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 5: so much. I don't even understand why anyone would do that.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: I'm going to go with curse.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: Final answer, Oh, it's a curse. You're right. You know,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: while you're talking, I thought, is this a gift? It's not.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: It's a horrible feeling to yes. I mean, we've just
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: talked about my home being a dump, but it's all
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: the lengths of my home being a dump can only
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: go so far. Do not leave your disgusting food at
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: my house?
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: Why would that?
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: I can't eat through this avalanche of weird to hodgepodge
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: your foods? No, you didn't want them? Exactly put them
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: in your dish and take them home or throw them away,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: or take them and give them away. But I don't
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: want them growing mold in my fridge.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: And why would anyone do that.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: I think it happens more often than we like to think.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: Really, that is inconsiderate.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an epidemic and people have got to stop
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: doing it. It's inconsiderate. So it's an absolute curse. Okay.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: Number two, This is from a listener names Shannon. Gift
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: to a curse doctor's office. Is texting slash emailing you
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: on your birthday?
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: Oh okay, Wow. This requires a bit of thought. This
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: because I've had some really rough birthdays where you know
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: that email coming in felt really good, but really really
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 5: good to be thought of. No, I think that it is.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: I think it's a curse. Ultimately, I don't need another text.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: I am one of those people with like two hundred
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 5: text messages. I don't need another text. I probably haven't
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: seen that doctor in a long time. I know they
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 5: don't really care about me, and it just crowds up everything.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: So I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with a curse.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: Oh wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, it's a gift.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: I blew it.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, I haven't received one from my newest dentist,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: doctor Gamboa, so I can't speak to that. That'll be
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: coming up soon and we'll see if she even sends
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: me one. But I love to hear from the team
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: at the doctor's office. I love to get They usually
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: send some sort of terrible emoji, or if you're really lucky,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: a bit moji wow that you know they found in
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: twenty fourteen and are still kind of recycling. I love
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: to hear from doctor's offices. I love to hear from
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: the dermatologist. Everybody really make me the king of the day.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: Send me emails, send me text I don't care who's
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: wishing me a happy birthday as long as I'm getting attention. Wow,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: it's a gift.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: Should have gone for my first handswer.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: I know you had a I mean a sad reason
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: into it. I mean, if the only person you hear
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: from on your birthday is or doctor, it sounds like
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: you're maybe you're doing something to the people in your life.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, something's wrong.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: But then maybe make a friend with your doctor. It
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: checks back, Thank you so much. Can we get dinner?
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: But then do you delete them? Do you answer?
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: Well, that remains to be seen. Okay, so you've gotten
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: one out of two so far. Final one is from
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: someone named Amanda Gift or a curse fast food places
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: that ask for your name when you order and use
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: it when they hand you your food.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 5: I am gonna go with curse on that one. I'm
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: actually pretty firm on this being a curse. My I'm
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: curious how you feel.
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  Speaker 4: My name is.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 5: Letitia, and it so often mispronounced and in just atrocious
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: ways that make me question my whole identity. And sometimes
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 5: I give like a fake name, but then that makes
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 5: me feel like I'm not being myself. And so I'm
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: gonna go with curse. I rather have a number than
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: a name.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: You're right, thank God, And we do need to have
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: a discussion about this because I have questions for you.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: It's a curse coming from someone who worked at a
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: cafe bakery where they demanded that we take everyone's name,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: and then you would have to go out into the
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: place yelling the person's name, and no one ever responded
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: to the name. People respond to a number. That's what
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: they want to hear. Names get lost in the noise.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: I don't want to hear a stranger yelling my name.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: Mind your own business. Yeah, and then again we get
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: to our names being difficult. I give a fake name too, Yeah,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: what are what's the fake name you give?
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: I give L?
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, I give Eric?
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: Wow?
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: What you get for L? What?
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: I like?
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: Do you ever to where they're like? Say that again?
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: And you're like, okay, well now I don't know what
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: to tell you.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, they're onto me.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: They know God, but I but I ended when they
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 5: say say it again, I actually spell E L L
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 5: E what I really mean? It's just the letter out right,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 5: but it works out. There aren't a lot of people
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: named L of course, right, they're not shouting out L
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 5: a lot. But why did you choose Eric?
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: It's my middle name? Okay, but I again, I'll say
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: Eric and I run into other problems. Erin is that
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: with a? K? Is that with them? I'm lying to you,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: it's not my don't direct me further into this web
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: of flies.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 5: Uh?
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: So I I met a complete lose lose. I think
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: I just need to think of the what's a name
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: that people cannot miss? Matt?
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: But then there are so many.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but at least the person i'm telling will know
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: that's true, Tammy.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: I don't know if they'll believe that one.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to give it a shot.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: You should.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: You're not going to stop me.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 5: I think generally it's not nice to hear my name
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: being shouted.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like you're in trouble.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: Like something weird, a weird physical place.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's and I think every one of these places there,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: I'm sure the manager psychology is. It's like it gives
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: a personal touch, you know, it doesn't. It just bothers everybody.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: Some of us want to be anonymous.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: We all want a little bit of privacy.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't don't even I don't even want to
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: talk at the register. So I would prefer to communicating
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: in a silent way.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, don't ask for my name. You're not getting it.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: You're getting Tammy. Well, you got two out of three.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: That's not bad noting that.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: Okay, this is the final segment of the podcast. It's
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: called I said no emails. People write into I said
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: no gifts at gmail dot com begging for answers. Will
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: you help me answer a question? Yes, all right, let's
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: get any here, let's do it. This is dearest gracious host. Okay,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: layoff and ungrateful guest. My friend's son is my godson. Okay,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: we're already dealing with family math here. My friend's son
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: is my godson, but her nephew is the same age,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: and so they have joint birthday parties. I want to
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: spoil my godson because he's my favorite, but I always
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: feel I have to get something of equal coolness for
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: his cousin as well. For example, I got my godson
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: a Leapfrog electronic book, the old school kind and a
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: Constellation projector because he loves space. I really don't want
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: to spend a ton on his cousin, but need ideas
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: of what to get him. They're both turning three and
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: enjoy building, toy stories, swimming, and gummy bears. Also, how
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: long do I have to keep this up? For my
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: friend just had a second boy, and I'm going to
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: go broke trying to make everything even. Please help me, Rebecca.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: What does Rebecca do with? She has some amount of
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: boys in her life. I can't tell exactly, sons and
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: sons and nephews and cousins. And there's at least two boys,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: and there's one that has to be given a gift
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: that she doesn't care about.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 5: Right right, there's one that neat that has a lower
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: right okay, okay.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: Get him a potato be you don't care about him.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: And arrusted potato.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, potato, just something you know it's from the bottom
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: of that bag, and get slightly green. Some rocks, rocks
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: a turn up.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: They could build something with rocks.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: Something you found on the grass outside their house walking
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: in there. So that's just immediately off the top of
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: our heads. Yeah, a three year old would love any
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: of those gifts.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I hm, I'm curious about why.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: I am too. Who cares about this three year old's
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: opinion of you? Tell him to get lost? I mean,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: just spoil the other kid. I mean, really, the feeling
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: she should be gunning for here is making the cousin
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: mad at her or jealous. That's a more exciting feeling
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: to have somebody feel about you with them, they're kind
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: of happy.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: Why would the godson? There are a lot of.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: Uh I'm not wrong, am I? That there are so
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: many sons and godsons and cousins and nephews.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm unclear about what position each holds. But but
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 5: I but I think that they should both have this
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 5: equally cool gifts.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, so now you're wrong. No, no, no, She
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: the godson, who I believe is the favorite of hers,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: should be given god the favorite thousands of dollars worth
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: of gifts. And then the other one opens a bag
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: to some sort of rotting vegetable.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: Rocks or rocks that can taint that three year old.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: Right, but we don't care. We don't care, we don't care.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: I have no investment in either of these. I mean
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: these hundreds of three year old's lives. It's Rebecca that's
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: in the mud here. She's got to figure out what
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: to do with all of this. And I say, just
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: spoil and offend. Yes, that's a good strategy going to
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: a bad day party.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: It's not bad, I think is cool rocks?
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he like, it's kind of a nothing gift. But
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: he if he has an imagination, he's worth anything. And
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: he's three, like, he'll make something he can make a.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: Weapon to use against her.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: Against her, She walks out in her windshields busted.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: She's created a monster.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: And don't we all at the end of the day,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: I want to create a monster true to be able
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: to say I created a monster.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 5: It's a pretty powerful position, beaudiful, it's a very powerful
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 5: what a legacy?
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I I is that your real advice?
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: That is my real advice.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: Oh my god.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: And now it's my real goal in twenty twenty five,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: I'm going to create a monster. I don't know who
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: or how.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: We don't have enough.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: I'm going to find someone to mold into an absolute months.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 5: Well, I think I think it's okay to spoil the favorite,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 5: but the not favorite.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: You just give them something that they think is cool.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: You trick them, right, and a three that's very easy.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: It's very very easy. You have a few years left.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: Of that right where they're kind of impressed by nearly
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: any anything, anything, a lollipop you got at the bank, exactly,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: free pen. Yeah, they really if they open as gift
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: and there's something scissors, if they open the gift there's
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: something in there, they'll be impressed, exactly. Or I mean
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: that's the other thing. With a three year old, you
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: could get them something cool and they won't be impressed.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: So it's such a gamble anyway, Yeah, don't go broke
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: doing do not invest in a child for a three
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: year old. That's my advice, don't invite, don't invest.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: In children, they won't remember.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: They're a waste. Well, I think we answered this perfectly, Rebecca.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: If you don't taken my advice, there's going to be
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: a huge problem for all kinds of uncounted people. You know, countless,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: countless people. So please heed my words, heed Latitia's words. Yes,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: I think she was stronger about ruining the child than
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: I was. So don't write back in Oh, I've had
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: such a wonderful time with you, and to my whole
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: wardrobe is going to change.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: I'm so excited for you, and I am such a
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: fan of your podcast.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: Reached out. I was, I was through the roof. I thought, oh,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: somebody who I actually like. I mean, that's not what
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: I mean. I love all of my guests, but it's
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: fun when a musician who I respect and appreciate wants
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: to be involved.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: Oh, thank you, I listen. I am a true fan.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: That's very sorry, that's very sorry. If the lumineers reached out,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: they're not getting on the podcast. Sorry, imagine dragons, you're
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: not getting on the podcast. I don't care how many
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: emails you sent. Thank you for being here.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: Thank you, and thanks for having me in your beautiful home.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: Anytime back here, any post earthquake time. You're safe here.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: It's nice to be coming down from the earthquake.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a nice earthquake come down.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: I feel at ease too. Listener. I hope you're not
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: currently in the middle of an earthquake and freaking out
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: and screaming and looking for a table. That would be horrible.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: But if you are, the podcast is over, so now
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: you can get under the table. I love you, goodbye,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: I said, No Gifts is an exactly right production. It's
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: produced by our dear friend Analise Nilson, and it's beautifully
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: mixed by Ben Holliday. And we couldn't do it without
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: our guest booker, Patrick Kottner. The theme song, of course,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: could only come from miracle worker Amy Man. You must
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: follow the show on instae Graham at I said, no Gifts.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: I don't want to hear any excuses. That's where you
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: get to see pictures of all these gorgeous gifts I'm getting,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: And don't you want to see pictures of the gifts?
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: But I invited you hear.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: Thought. I made myself perfectly clear. When you're a guest
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: to my home. You gotta come to me empty, And
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: I said, no gifts, You're o presences, presents enough. I
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: already had too much stuff.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: So how do you dare to surbey me?