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Father brags about killing daughter _I can_t be charged because they won_t find the baby_(MP3_160K) · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 1: I'm Chris Hansen right now on Crimewatch Daily from here
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  Speaker 1: in New York. So a mother frantically calls nine to
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  Speaker 1: one watch her father.
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  Speaker 2: Of my child took our daughters and I don't know
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  Speaker 2: where he's out.
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  Speaker 1: He was found, the baby was not.
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  Speaker 3: He said, well, I can't be charged because they won't
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  Speaker 3: find the baby.
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  Speaker 1: Breaking news on the murder trial captivating the country.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know what you did?
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  Speaker 3: And now we know too.
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  Speaker 1: A young couple gets into a fight at a fair.
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  Speaker 1: Then she's discovered murder.
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  Speaker 5: She didn't crawl into that garbage pile and die, she
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  Speaker 5: was placed there.
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  Speaker 1: A strange clue in her fiance is nine one call.
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  Speaker 6: I can't find her anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: In undercover interview to me, I know I didn't do it.
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  Speaker 1: He knew evidence that could blow the case wide open. Plus,
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  Speaker 1: a young lingerie model heads out for her next assignment,
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  Speaker 1: never to be seen again.
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  Speaker 7: She was not picking up her phone, she was not
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  Speaker 7: answering text messages, and that's when we became very worried.
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  Speaker 1: Was Cora Nichols, the victim of a photographer turned predator.
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  Speaker 8: Somebody out there knows something right now?
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  Speaker 9: Andrea isisenm Sir with Crimewatch Daily.
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  Speaker 3: Jason Mataro a crime Watch Daily.
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  Speaker 10: This, I'm Elizabeth.
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  Speaker 4: Michelle from crime Watch Daily.
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  Speaker 3: We'll find you again, we always do.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome to Crimewatch Daily. I'm Chris Hansen. We've
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  Speaker 1: done a lot to get to today, so let's get
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  Speaker 1: right to our top story out of Michigan, major courtroom
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  Speaker 1: drama as a father stands trial for the murder of
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  Speaker 1: his baby, and this man accused of killing his infant daughter.
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  Speaker 3: He said, well, I can't be charged because they won't
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  Speaker 3: find the baby.
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  Speaker 1: In the case that's rocked Western Michigan and the country
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  Speaker 1: for the last five agonizing years.
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  Speaker 7: Do you know what you did?
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  Speaker 3: And now we know too.
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  Speaker 1: Now our affiliate WXMI is reporting the verdict is in with.
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  Speaker 3: The four person Please rise, and would you read your verdict? Please?
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  Speaker 1: Shot anger and still the most important of unanswered questions,
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  Speaker 1: where is baby Kate? Young couple Sean Phillips and Ariel
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  Speaker 1: Courtland had one daughter, Haley. When Ariel got pregnant with
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  Speaker 1: their second daughter, Catherine, Reportedly, Phillips didn't want another child
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  Speaker 1: and kept it a secret from his parents. According to Ariel,
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  Speaker 1: Phillips first push to terminate the pregnancy, then adoption. Ariel
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to do either. It was the day Phillips
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  Speaker 1: was supposed to get a paternity test. He had been
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  Speaker 1: denying he was Kate's father. While out, the couple had
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  Speaker 1: been arguing. Back at home, around one pm, Ariel ran
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  Speaker 1: inside to get four month old Kate's stroller while Phillips
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  Speaker 1: and Kate waited in the car. When she came back
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  Speaker 1: out complete horror, Phillips and Kate were gone.
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  Speaker 12: The father and very child took our daughter, and I
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  Speaker 12: don't know where he's at.
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  Speaker 1: Later that afternoon, Luddington police tracked Sean Phillips down at
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  Speaker 1: his parents' house. Kate was nowhere to be found, but
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  Speaker 1: during a routine pat down, cops found her baby clothes
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  Speaker 1: wadded up in Phillips's pocket. Sean Phillips was arrested on
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  Speaker 1: the spot.
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  Speaker 10: I'm sick of warnering where my daughter's at.
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  Speaker 1: An intense search was on for baby Kate.
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  Speaker 13: I'm if she's okay. If she's sitting in her car
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  Speaker 13: seat in the middle of the woods just crying.
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  Speaker 1: While the community was out looking for baby Kate. Cops
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  Speaker 1: were interrogating her father, and he was turning the tables,
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  Speaker 1: pointing the finger at her mother. Do you know where
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  Speaker 1: Catherine is at?
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  Speaker 2: Usually she's as playing right strange like this, You have
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  Speaker 2: no idea where Katherine is?
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  Speaker 1: She knows.
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  Speaker 14: I'm not asking you that I know. I'm not asking
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  Speaker 14: you that, Okay, Sean, I'm not asking you that. I'm
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  Speaker 14: asking you a specific question. Do you know where Catherine
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  Speaker 14: is right now?
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  Speaker 13: Now?
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  Speaker 1: I cops weren't buying it. Sean Phillips was eventually charged
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  Speaker 1: with unlawful imprisonment in the abduction of his daughter, baby Kate.
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  Speaker 1: Phillips trial lasted two weeks on the stand. Ariel testified
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  Speaker 1: to Phillips not wanting a second child.
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  Speaker 9: Going to get an application for an abortion online ashkar Klin.
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  Speaker 13: It was his idea.
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  Speaker 1: And her desperate please for answers.
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  Speaker 13: Why didn't you take me?
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  Speaker 7: You were mad at me, not her.
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  Speaker 3: Wouldn't said you took her.
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  Speaker 13: I'd be willing to go back in time and make
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  Speaker 13: him take me. That meant I knew that Kate was
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  Speaker 13: going to be alive.
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  Speaker 1: Also introduced to trial was an unmailed letter found in
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  Speaker 1: Phillips's shirt pocket. A few weeks after his arrest. In it,
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  Speaker 1: he allegedly wrote, I took Kate and gave her to
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  Speaker 1: a guy. The guy was to leave her on a
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  Speaker 1: doorstep of a couple wanting to adopt, but the guy,
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  Speaker 1: the couple, and Kate were never found. After five and
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  Speaker 1: a half hours of deliberations, we the jury by the
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  Speaker 1: defendant guilty. Sean Phillips was sentenced to ten to fifteen years.
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  Speaker 15: Explanation for her being missing really doesn't wash, and we
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  Speaker 15: need to know what happened to her.
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  Speaker 1: But this was not the end of the story. Coming up,
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  Speaker 1: Sean Phillips goes on trial for murder.
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  Speaker 3: He said he picked the baby up and he got
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  Speaker 3: rid of a baby.
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  Speaker 1: Four month old baby Kate is missing and presumed dead.
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  Speaker 1: Her father, Sean Phillips, who had driven off with her
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  Speaker 1: and was found with her baby clothes in his pocket,
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  Speaker 1: has already been found guilty of unlawful imprisonment and sentenced
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  Speaker 1: to ten to fifteen years.
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  Speaker 16: This is a tragic case, just makes you sick.
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  Speaker 1: Things are about to get a lot worse for Phillips.
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  Speaker 1: One year later, he is charged with murder.
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  Speaker 16: We have evidence that we are convinced will prove beyond
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  Speaker 16: a reasonable doubt that Sean Phillips murdered his own daughter and.
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  Speaker 1: A probable cause. Hearing baby Kate's heartbroken mother, Ariel Courtland,
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  Speaker 1: recounts how she learned Kate was missing.
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  Speaker 13: I asked for Kate was out, if I could come
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  Speaker 13: and get her, and he said no, because Kate wasn't there,
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  Speaker 13: didn't know where she was at.
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  Speaker 1: The defense tried to paint Sean Phillips as a dedicated father.
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  Speaker 3: So everything that you could tell, he was.
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  Speaker 15: Loving and carrie towards Kate.
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  Speaker 13: Yes, I've stated that since say.
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  Speaker 1: One, the courtroom had heard from Ariel, but was now
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  Speaker 1: about to hear Phillips's own words. In a bombshell piece
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  Speaker 1: of new evidence, a few months after Phillips was found
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  Speaker 1: guilty of unlawful imprisonment, a second letter in it a confession.
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  Speaker 11: In that letter, did he give you a version of
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  Speaker 11: events that had happened to Catherine on that.
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  Speaker 1: Fag Yes, Phillips wrote he accidentally killed Kate while yanking
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  Speaker 1: her car seat out of the back of the car,
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  Speaker 1: claiming he thought Ariel had already taken the girl out
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  Speaker 1: of her car seat and into the house. When Ariel's
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  Speaker 1: cell phone, which was stuck behind the car seat wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: stop ringing. He wrote, I grabbed it at the top
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  Speaker 1: and ripped it out as hard as I could. She
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  Speaker 1: was thrown from it. I didn't know. I'm so sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Held her for a long time, seemed forever. Then Phillips wrote,
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  Speaker 1: he left baby Kate in a peaceful place. A fellow
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  Speaker 1: inmate of Phillips also testified to a conversation they had
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  Speaker 1: behind bars.
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  Speaker 3: He said he picked the baby up and got rid
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  Speaker 3: of the baby.
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  Speaker 11: Did you ask him what he meant when he said
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  Speaker 11: he got rid of the baby.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, Well, I can't be charged because they
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  Speaker 3: won't find the baby.
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  Speaker 1: A few weeks ago, opening arguments began in Sean Phillips's
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  Speaker 1: murder trial.
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  Speaker 11: A helpless baby who the evidence will prove was anything
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  Speaker 11: but daddy's little girl. In fact, she was his dirty
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  Speaker 11: little secret.
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  Speaker 7: There's no blood, no physical evidence, no body.
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  Speaker 16: There's been no direct evidence that there was a death.
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  Speaker 1: Ariel Cortlin, who's already told the terrible story of losing
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  Speaker 1: her precious Keat in court two other times, has to
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  Speaker 1: take the stand again.
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  Speaker 7: What do you recognize that to be Keith's Carcy?
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  Speaker 1: The letters Phillips allegedly wrote to Ariel where he to
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  Speaker 1: the prosecution's case, including the one in which he said
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  Speaker 1: Kate was in a peaceful place. Phillip's mother, Kimberly, was
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  Speaker 1: questioned about that peaceful place?
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  Speaker 11: Did you follow up with your sonist to where the
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  Speaker 11: peaceful place was that he had left? Catherine?
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  Speaker 3: I probably would have asked him that, yes. Did you
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  Speaker 3: on a personal visit with him?
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  Speaker 17: Yes?
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  Speaker 13: Did he tell me anything?
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  Speaker 1: Sean Phillips never took the stand in his own defense.
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  Speaker 1: Then a twist which surprised many, Judge Woodell throughout the
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  Speaker 1: possibility of a first degree murder conviction.
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  Speaker 18: That judge says, there's simply not enough evidence for a
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  Speaker 18: jury to decide if Sean Phillips committed premeditated murder.
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  Speaker 1: After more than three weeks of testimony and three days
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  Speaker 1: of deliberations.
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  Speaker 3: Would you read your verdict please?
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  Speaker 1: The long awaited verdict is in guilty of the murder.
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  Speaker 1: The vision Sean Phillips guilty of killing his own daughter,
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  Speaker 1: baby Kate. Phillips, who could get life in prison, had
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  Speaker 1: no reaction as he left the court room.
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  Speaker 3: Mister Phillips, do you have anything about the verdict?
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  Speaker 1: Others didn't stay as silent.
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  Speaker 16: We're all very thankful to bring justice to baby Kate.
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  Speaker 19: Now's the time for mister Phillips to explain exactly where
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  Speaker 19: Catherine is. There's absolutely no reason in the world to
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  Speaker 19: keep that secret.
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  Speaker 1: The answer to that painful question still remains locid, with
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  Speaker 1: many hoping Phillips will one day lead them to Baby Kate,
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  Speaker 1: lead them to that peaceful place.
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  Speaker 3: Will you ever reveal where baby Kate did?
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  Speaker 1: Coming up Just two days away from her twenty second birthday,
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  Speaker 1: a college student disappeared.
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  Speaker 6: My fiance is missing. I can't find her anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: And when the case takes a grisly turn, a private
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  Speaker 1: investigator goes undercover to question the heartbroken fiance. What he
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  Speaker 1: says happened the day Caitlyn disappeared.
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  Speaker 20: In my investigative opinion that he knew she was gone
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  Speaker 20: prior to him going into the to the house.
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  Speaker 1: That's next now to Ohio where a young college student
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  Speaker 1: is reported missing by our fiance and something doesn't sit right.
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  Speaker 1: Her keys, her purse are still in the house. Our
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  Speaker 1: Pala Lama has more on the Caitlin Markham mystery.
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  Speaker 10: It's two days before arts did into Caitlin Markham's twent
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  Speaker 10: second birthday, but sadly she will never celebrate it.
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  Speaker 6: Mamas are imagine the same part. My name is John Carter.
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  Speaker 6: I know that you're not supposed to report a missing
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  Speaker 6: person after before twenty four hours, but my fiance is missing.
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  Speaker 6: I can't find her anywhere.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, where'd you fear last?
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  Speaker 6: I saw her at like twelve o'clock last night.
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  Speaker 10: It's been eighteen hours since John Carter says he last
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  Speaker 10: saw his fiance, Caitlin Markham alive. Panicked, John calls his
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  Speaker 10: future father in law, David Markham.
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  Speaker 2: He immediately screamed into the phone, Caitlyn's missing.
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  Speaker 10: David races to his daughter's place and he's met there
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  Speaker 10: by Detective Rebecca Irvin.
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  Speaker 18: When we got to Caitlin's condo, there's no signs of
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  Speaker 18: forced entry into the town. When we checked the doors,
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  Speaker 18: check the windows, check everywhere, there's nothing that's jumping out.
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  Speaker 18: There's no signs of a struggle.
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  Speaker 10: Inside Caitlin's bedroom, investigators from the Fairfield Police Department discovered
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  Speaker 10: Caitlyn's purse and car keys laying in the center of
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  Speaker 10: her bed. Also in the bedroom is her dog, Murphy.
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  Speaker 2: The dog had been locked in her bedroom, which she's
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  Speaker 2: not usually locked in the bedroom, and he had gone
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  Speaker 2: to the bathroom in there, her purse and her keys
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  Speaker 2: were smacked AaB in the middle of her bed. If
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to bed, I don't put something right in
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  Speaker 2: the middle of it. Nothing seemed to make any sense
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  Speaker 2: at all.
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  Speaker 10: Fairfield Police agree.
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  Speaker 18: Something's not right here, and again based on what her
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  Speaker 18: friends and family were telling us, this isn't normal for
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  Speaker 18: this girl.
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  Speaker 10: Fairfield police speculate about the possibility of Caitlyn running away.
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  Speaker 1: No, not Caitlin. She was graduating in three.
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  Speaker 10: Weeks, graduating from art school, engaged and getting ready to
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  Speaker 10: move to Colorado with her fiance.
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  Speaker 2: And this was not for her. Not to call anybody,
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  Speaker 2: for not to do anything. I felt something was wrong,
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  Speaker 2: very very wrong.
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  Speaker 10: So where is Caitlin Beyonce. John Carter, who was the
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  Speaker 10: last known person to see her alive, breaks down his
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  Speaker 10: final moments with Caitlyn to detectives.
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  Speaker 18: They had had another friend over at the apartment earlier,
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  Speaker 18: and then he had left, and then John had left
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  Speaker 18: and gone to a party. At that point, everything that
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  Speaker 18: we had initially there was no fighting.
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  Speaker 10: Guess that depends on who you ask. Caitlyn's best friend, Michelle,
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  Speaker 10: claims that just two days before Caitlyn went missing, the
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  Speaker 10: couple had been fighting about money, and the heated disagreement
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  Speaker 10: came to a head at a church festival.
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  Speaker 17: I saw her on the Friday night at the Sacred
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  Speaker 17: Heart Festival. It's the last time that I saw her.
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  Speaker 7: And talked to her.
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  Speaker 17: He I guess had bought raffle tickets, like one hundred
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  Speaker 17: dollars in raffle tickets, and she was mad about it,
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  Speaker 17: like she was pissed off.
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  Speaker 10: In fact, so upset. Michelle says, Caitlyn left the festival early.
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  Speaker 17: I feel like they would fight about it just behind
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  Speaker 17: closed doors because they didn't like to, like like at
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  Speaker 17: the like, they didn't want to be arguing about it
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  Speaker 17: in front of everybody.
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  Speaker 10: And whatever is kept behind closed doors is anybody's guests.
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  Speaker 10: But one thing's for sure. Two days later, Caitlin was gone.
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  Speaker 18: Yeah.
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  Speaker 17: I mean it's completely like she was my best friend.
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  Speaker 17: Like I haven't had many girlfriends ever, she was really
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  Speaker 17: my only friend and her being gone is completely shattered
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  Speaker 17: my whole world.
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  Speaker 10: Twenty heartbreaking months past, then a break in the case.
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  Speaker 21: A husband and wife that were looking for metal to
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  Speaker 21: recycle along the Big Ceedar Road in Franklin County, Indiana.
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  Speaker 21: While they were searching for the metals, they located some
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  Speaker 21: human bones and I was called to investigate the remains.
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  Speaker 10: Twenty five miles away in Indiana, skeletal remains are found
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  Speaker 10: covered with trash in an area known for dumping. Crime
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  Speaker 10: scene investigator just rushed away de breathe to reveal several bones,
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  Speaker 10: including a skull and jawbone.
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  Speaker 21: When we were looking at the skull, we noticed a
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  Speaker 21: tooth that was protruding, pretty identifiable, and so one of
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  Speaker 21: the Kunty Sheriff's deputies he he got on his phone
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  Speaker 21: and started looking for anybody that was missing.
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  Speaker 10: In a serendipitous moment, Caitlin Markham's photo is the first
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  Speaker 10: to pop up.
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  Speaker 21: When we looked at the picture of her missing report,
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  Speaker 21: we could almost identify her directly from her from her teeth.
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  Speaker 10: The local forensic anthropologists will positively I d the remains
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  Speaker 10: as belonging to Caitlin Markham.
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  Speaker 2: A couple of days later, I get a knock on
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  Speaker 2: the door from the pastor and the and the detective and.
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  Speaker 10: If they were there to tell me, But how in
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  Speaker 10: the world did Caitlyn end up dead in a trash
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  Speaker 10: heap in Indiana. Residents in the small town of Fairfield,
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  Speaker 10: Ohio are desperate for answers. When an anonymous donor with
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  Speaker 10: no connection to the case, who has a keen interest
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  Speaker 10: in finding justice and unsolved mysteries, makes a huge donation,
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  Speaker 10: that money brings in private investigator Jay Ryan Green.
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  Speaker 20: He's an individual that wanted to do something nice for
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  Speaker 20: somebody before he died, is what he told me. Felt
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  Speaker 20: Caitlyn needed an outside investigator to come in and take
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  Speaker 20: a fresh look at the case.
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  Speaker 10: A fresh look that starts with a fresh Listen to
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  Speaker 10: the nine to one one call made by John Carter
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  Speaker 10: on the night he reported his fiance missing.
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  Speaker 20: John misrepresented the truth in a nine to one one
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  Speaker 20: call with his own statements.
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  Speaker 10: Up next, in a Crime Watch Daily exclusive, private investigator
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  Speaker 10: Green discovers new evidence and reveals it only to there.
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  Speaker 20: Was evidence of blood in the trunk area.
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  Speaker 10: Then Crime Watch Daily goes undercover with hidden cameras to
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  Speaker 10: confront the person who made that nine to one one call.
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  Speaker 10: Will this new information exonerate an innocent man or expose
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  Speaker 10: a murderer?
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  Speaker 1: I want to rule you out, but I can't now.
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  Speaker 1: Back to the Caitlin Markham mystery. The young art student's
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  Speaker 1: body was found twenty months after she was reported missing.
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  Speaker 1: Her father believes Caitlyn's fiance knows more than he's saying.
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  Speaker 20: Well.
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  Speaker 1: Today, crime Watch Daily has an exclusive look at key
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  Speaker 1: evidence that could break this case wide open. Here's pat Lallana.
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  Speaker 10: Beautiful. Twenty one year old Caitlin Markham's body is in
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  Speaker 10: a heap tossed in a dumping ground found in a
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  Speaker 10: remote part of Indiana, but how she got there is
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  Speaker 10: still a mystery. Now, an anonymous donor who is not
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  Speaker 10: connected to the case but claims to have a keen
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  Speaker 10: interest in finding justice, has reportedly put up big money
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  Speaker 10: to help find her killer. Private investigator Jay Ryan Green
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  Speaker 10: jumps on the case. Green goes back to the beginning,
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  Speaker 10: the nine one one call made by Caitlyn's fiance, John
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  Speaker 10: Carter on the night she went missing.
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  Speaker 6: The car is still there, the purse still and you're
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  Speaker 6: out there now. I'm heading out there now. I like
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  Speaker 6: had been trying to get a hold of her, and
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  Speaker 6: I decided to go by her house to see she
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  Speaker 6: was okay, and her car was still there, which is
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  Speaker 6: why I'm like, really freaking out.
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  Speaker 10: John has just told the nine one one operator that
• 18:38
  Speaker 10: Caitlyn's car and purse are at her home. Yet when
• 18:42
  Speaker 10: the nine one one operator asks if he's there, he
• 18:45
  Speaker 10: says he's on his way. Green wonders how would Carter
• 18:51
  Speaker 10: know about her car and purse if he wasn't even
• 18:53
  Speaker 10: there yet.
• 18:54
  Speaker 20: John misrepresented the truth in a nine one one call
• 18:58
  Speaker 20: with his own statements.
• 18:59
  Speaker 10: Adding green suspicion. He says in police interviews, John claimed
• 19:04
  Speaker 10: he went by Caitlin's house, first, ran an errand, and
• 19:07
  Speaker 10: then called nine to one one. Green asks, who does that?
• 19:12
  Speaker 10: Then he calls this portion of John's nine one one
• 19:15
  Speaker 10: call into question.
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: Okay, and you guys didn't have an argument or anything,
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: not at all.
• 19:20
  Speaker 10: Not at all. Caitlyn's best friend, Michelle tells quite a
• 19:25
  Speaker 10: different story.
• 19:26
  Speaker 17: I knew that they were fighting, and when he was
• 19:29
  Speaker 17: like on the nine one one tape when he was
• 19:31
  Speaker 17: saying that it that they hadn't been arguing at all,
• 19:35
  Speaker 17: I'm just like, why would you lie about that part
• 19:38
  Speaker 17: of it?
• 19:39
  Speaker 20: When the dispatcher asked John if Caitlyn and him had
• 19:42
  Speaker 20: been fighting, he said, no, not at all. You're telling
• 19:45
  Speaker 20: a dispatcher that you weren't in a fight, and you
• 19:48
  Speaker 20: were in a fight.
• 19:50
  Speaker 10: The Markham family attorney also listened to the nine to
• 19:53
  Speaker 10: one one call.
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: I was a firefighter and a paramedic before I was
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: a lawyer, and I have I've heard my share.
• 20:02
  Speaker 11: Of nine one one calls.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: I've made nine one one calls.
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: And a nine to one one call is usually a
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: call for help. That's what it is, call for help.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: John Carter's call was a call to.
• 20:18
  Speaker 10: Inform, inform, inform what and to whom. The nine one
• 20:24
  Speaker 10: one call continues, and.
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: Then take her heart. Festival is going on right up
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: the street and there's a lot of questionable people there.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: He immediately offered up a fury. You noticed an hour
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: ago that your girlfriend isn't where she's supposed to be
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: and the Carneyes took her.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: I mean that's a leap.
• 20:47
  Speaker 10: Police say no one has been ruled out in this
• 20:50
  Speaker 10: case as a person of interest. Caleb's fiance took a
• 20:53
  Speaker 10: voice stress analysis test and that was reportedly inconclusive. He
• 20:59
  Speaker 10: also took two holographs and authorities are not releasing those results.
• 21:03
  Speaker 10: But private investigator Green believes where Caitlyn's body was found
• 21:08
  Speaker 10: is a huge piece of the puzzle.
• 21:10
  Speaker 20: This was an illegal dump site where she was found,
• 21:13
  Speaker 20: So somebody knew about the dump site and somebody just
• 21:17
  Speaker 20: tossed her here like a piece.
• 21:18
  Speaker 10: Of trash somebody.
• 21:20
  Speaker 20: It troubles me a lot to know that. You know,
• 21:25
  Speaker 20: the Carter family has property in this area.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 21:30
  Speaker 10: This spot is just minutes away from John Carter's family home. Coincidence,
• 21:36
  Speaker 10: Green doesn't think so.
• 21:38
  Speaker 20: This road is in close proximity to where John Carter
• 21:41
  Speaker 20: would have traveled to go to his family's property.
• 21:46
  Speaker 10: Police investigators believe Caitlyn died in Ohio and her body
• 21:50
  Speaker 10: was dumped here in Indiana. Green thinks the killer needed
• 21:53
  Speaker 10: some help moving the body and has a theory.
• 21:56
  Speaker 20: There was a friend at Caitlyn's apartment besides John Carter
• 22:00
  Speaker 20: the last night she was seen. That friend left a
• 22:04
  Speaker 20: little earlier than John did.
• 22:06
  Speaker 10: Supposedly, that's right, the night Caitlyn went missing. The couple
• 22:11
  Speaker 10: was not alone. Fairfield Police say they had company. A
• 22:15
  Speaker 10: detective tells us it was a long time childhood friend
• 22:19
  Speaker 10: of John's named Brad von Bargen.
• 22:21
  Speaker 20: Now, he drove a car that he referred to as
• 22:26
  Speaker 20: his baby, and I found out that he no longer
• 22:30
  Speaker 20: had his baby. He sold it in twenty thirteen, just
• 22:34
  Speaker 20: after Caitlyn was found. He sold it in a rush
• 22:38
  Speaker 20: and said that he needed to leave to go to
• 22:41
  Speaker 20: North Carolina.
• 22:43
  Speaker 10: The PI set out to find it. This car, the
• 22:47
  Speaker 10: nineteen ninety seven Green Accura that Green says Brad was
• 22:50
  Speaker 10: driving the night he left Caitlyn's homes.
• 22:53
  Speaker 20: I tracked it down and.
• 22:54
  Speaker 10: He's revealing this all new evidence only to Crime Watch Daily.
• 22:58
  Speaker 20: I had it sent to as a crime scene. They
• 23:02
  Speaker 20: did a lumino test. There was evidence of blood in
• 23:07
  Speaker 20: the trunk area.
• 23:09
  Speaker 10: Yes, blood in the trunk of the car once owned
• 23:12
  Speaker 10: by the man Green believes was the second to last
• 23:15
  Speaker 10: known person to ever see Caitlin Markham alive. Unfortunately, this
• 23:20
  Speaker 10: potential break in the case may have come too late.
• 23:24
  Speaker 20: I obtained a vehicle almost four years later. You have
• 23:28
  Speaker 20: extreme cold in Cincinnati, and you have hot weather with
• 23:36
  Speaker 20: the cleaning of the vehicle, shampooing. That messes with DNA,
• 23:42
  Speaker 20: that messes with blood.
• 23:44
  Speaker 10: Despite what the private investigator thinks, the Fairfield Police Department
• 23:48
  Speaker 10: tells Crime Watch Daily it does not believe Brad was involved,
• 23:53
  Speaker 10: but Detective Irvin says she can't officially clear anyone because
• 23:57
  Speaker 10: this is an ongoing investigation. Green is still frustrated the
• 24:02
  Speaker 10: car wasn't tested at the time of Caitlin's disappearance.
• 24:05
  Speaker 15: The members of the police department are aware of the
• 24:09
  Speaker 15: family's criticism, but I think every agency that has looked
• 24:13
  Speaker 15: at this case has reviewed it with us demonstrate that
• 24:19
  Speaker 15: we have done everything that modern police investigative techniques require.
• 24:26
  Speaker 20: Was that the vehicle that Kaitlin Markham was transported in.
• 24:29
  Speaker 10: We'll never know, but the determined PI is not giving up,
• 24:34
  Speaker 10: and he gets his hands on another piece of vital evidence.
• 24:37
  Speaker 10: It's never been released to the public until now, cell
• 24:41
  Speaker 10: phone records from the night Caitlin went missing.
• 24:44
  Speaker 20: I got an insight to this case that no one
• 24:46
  Speaker 20: else would have because that's my job. I'm a private investigator,
• 24:51
  Speaker 20: that's what I do.
• 24:53
  Speaker 10: Investigator Green claims this cell phone timeline contradicts previous statements
• 24:58
  Speaker 10: John made to police. In recent months. John hasn't been
• 25:02
  Speaker 10: talking to authorities, but he agrees to meet with private
• 25:05
  Speaker 10: investigator Green and only Crime Watch Daily has hidden cameras
• 25:09
  Speaker 10: set up and ready to roll. John and his mother, Karen,
• 25:13
  Speaker 10: joined Investigator Green and his associate for the interview.
• 25:16
  Speaker 16: Hey John, how are you good?
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Been a while?
• 25:21
  Speaker 10: Investigator Green introduces a timeline comparing cell phone records and
• 25:26
  Speaker 10: John's earlier interviews to authorities concerning the night Caitlyn went missing.
• 25:31
  Speaker 10: First up, investigator Green questions a text in John's interview
• 25:36
  Speaker 10: with police, he claims he sent a good morning text
• 25:39
  Speaker 10: to Caitlin on the day she went missing, but according
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: to cell phone records obtained by investigator Green, he did not.
• 25:47
  Speaker 12: I do believe that I had sent her a message
• 25:50
  Speaker 12: before I went to bed, But according to the Fairfield
• 25:54
  Speaker 12: Police or according to my phone records, I didn't send
• 25:57
  Speaker 12: her anything.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: But I could have swore that I have sent her.
• 26:00
  Speaker 20: I yeah, there isn't anything.
• 26:02
  Speaker 10: But John's mother is quick to point out that the
• 26:04
  Speaker 10: nine to one one call that John mayde is also
• 26:07
  Speaker 10: missing from the cell phone record.
• 26:09
  Speaker 11: That's a call we know he made. Nobody's questioning that,
• 26:12
  Speaker 11: and yet it doesn't show up. Okay, how can we
• 26:16
  Speaker 11: say that just because something else isn't showing up, that
• 26:18
  Speaker 11: there wasn't something else.
• 26:21
  Speaker 10: Next, investigator Green brings up the phone called John may
• 26:24
  Speaker 10: to his friend Matt on the night Caitlyn disappeared. According
• 26:28
  Speaker 10: to statements John made to police, he was on the
• 26:31
  Speaker 10: phone with Matt when he was driving up to Caitlyn's
• 26:34
  Speaker 10: town home and discovered her car in the driveway and
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: became concerned.
• 26:38
  Speaker 20: Stop signs here, You turn the corner, you go up
• 26:41
  Speaker 20: to the drive and you park.
• 26:43
  Speaker 16: You walk across so that the way you remember it okay.
• 26:47
  Speaker 10: But and this is a huge butt according to investigator Green,
• 26:52
  Speaker 10: as noted in the cell phone records, John hangs up
• 26:55
  Speaker 10: with his friend Matt, and thirty eight seconds later he
• 26:58
  Speaker 10: calls Caitlyn's dad, screaming that Caitlyn is missing.
• 27:02
  Speaker 20: You called David Markham thirty eight seconds after you hung
• 27:07
  Speaker 20: up with Matt. You and I have even had time
• 27:09
  Speaker 20: to go in the house for thirty eight seconds. If
• 27:11
  Speaker 20: you're in the parking lot, you would have had a
• 27:13
  Speaker 20: chance to even go into caitlyn drome. In thirt eight seconds,
• 27:16
  Speaker 20: he didn't have time to get in the front door,
• 27:18
  Speaker 20: much less even go to her room to see if.
• 27:20
  Speaker 17: She was there.
• 27:21
  Speaker 10: That's thirty eight seconds to park, walk across the street,
• 27:25
  Speaker 10: enter her condo, look around, and then declare to her
• 27:29
  Speaker 10: father that Caitlin is missing.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Again.
• 27:32
  Speaker 12: I don't remember the exact order of when I called people, but.
• 27:35
  Speaker 10: The exact order in which he called people is in
• 27:37
  Speaker 10: black and white on the cell phone record, and it suggests.
• 27:42
  Speaker 20: In my investigative opinion, that he knew she was gone
• 27:46
  Speaker 20: prior to him going into to the house.
• 27:50
  Speaker 10: But whether John Carter has a poor memory or guilty conscience,
• 27:54
  Speaker 10: only time will tell.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: P I.
• 27:56
  Speaker 10: Green thinks he's on to something, though, And while he
• 27:59
  Speaker 10: said the anonymous donor is no longer paying him, he
• 28:03
  Speaker 10: plans to stay on the case for Caitlin's sake.
• 28:06
  Speaker 20: They need peace and the only way they're gonna get
• 28:09
  Speaker 20: peace is if this case is solved.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: And while Caitlin's dad certainly has his theories on what
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: happened to his daughter, he says the most important thing
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: is that anyone with hard facts about Caitlin's murder needs
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: to call the Fairfield Police. That number is five one,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: three eight two nine eight two zero one coming up.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: She wanted to be a fashion model, but those dreams
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: would disappear the same day she did.
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: No one heard from her again after that day.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Was the nineteen year old lured to her death with
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: the promise of fame. The investigation that goes from the
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: mountains of Colorado to the suburbs of Long Island, New York.
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: This person urged us to drop everything immediately.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: That's coming up. Coming up later in today's show, a
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: young lingerie model disappearance. We're in Colorado with the search
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: for Kara Nichols. That's coming up, and here's a look
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: at what else we're working on. It's eight fifty seven PM.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: But this guy is still wearing his sunglasses and police
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: believe they know why.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: The suspect the scene entering and leaving the apartment complex.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: An aspiring young model killed in her apartment.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: It appeared to be a pretty vicious attacker.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Her boyfriend wants under suspicion.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: Well, certainly we haven't ruled him out as a suspect.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: A manhunt for a mystery murder suspect.
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: I'm still scared of that to be.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Next, we're in Houston with the latest on who killed
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Shelby Thornburgh. Then, a crime writer goes on a mission
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: to find the man who attacked her. The man had
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: said to me, do you want to die now? After
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: more than twenty years of searching, she's fondly about to
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: find out who he is.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: I think that was incredible stroke of block.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: A story that will inspire you and make you angry
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: at the same time. Here you have DNA samples that
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: do prove this the he did it.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: And it gets to go free.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: The real life story of Jane Doe. January tomorrow. Now
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: to Colorado, where a young model heading to a new
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: photoshoot disappears. Now police and her family are wondering if
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: she was the victim of a photographer, term predator, or
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: something else entirely. Leggy, blonde, lingerie model Kara Nichols had
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: all the right moves to make her way in the
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: world of fashion. The Colorado beauty with the hourglass figure
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: and seductive smile told her family she was going on
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: a fashion shoot in Denver, but she never made it there.
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: No one heard from her again after that day.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Cops say it wasn't a fashion shoot.
• 30:43
  Speaker 19: It's my understanding at the beginning of the investigation that
• 30:46
  Speaker 19: Kara was going to the Denver metro area for a
• 30:49
  Speaker 19: photo shoot, that none of the information led to that
• 30:52
  Speaker 19: being truthful.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Carra's parents, Julia and Paul Nichols rue the day their
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: daughters signed up on Model Mayhew networking website that hooks
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: up models with photographers. They want police to talk to
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: the man who took these shots in Colorado Springs and
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: anyone Caara may have met on the site.
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: Maybe this was more alternative modeling, small time website types
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: of things.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Her profile on model Mayhem, which has since been taken down,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: read my name is Caara and I'm nineteen years old
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: and although I'm new to it, modeling is something I
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: am very passionate about, and I take my work seriously.
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: I think what she did have might not have been
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: professional or quite what it seemed.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Cara was living in Colorado Springs, one thousand miles from
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: her parents' home in Chicago. Like many teenagers, she had
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: gone through some rough patches through high school, but she
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: was turning her life around.
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: I think modeling for Kara was a mask, was a
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: way to step into a different identity.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: So it was good news when she phoned her big
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: brother about a mile gig in Denver, it was just
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: the break Kara needed. That night, Car's roommate saw her
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: driving away he thought with a girlfriend. He assumed she
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: was going to her much anticipated appointment, but Cara's big
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: break turned into her parents heartbreak. Cara's big brother, who
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: lived nearby, went to the local sheriff's department to file
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: a missing person's report.
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: He was told to just sit tight, that she was
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: an adult and they didn't want to be needlessly alarmed,
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: and that adults are free to go off and not
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: contact people they know for days, if not weeks at
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: a time.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: But there were ominous signs from the beginning.
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: Her friends alerted us that she was not picking up
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: her phone, she was not answering text messages or messages
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: on Facebook or social media, and that's when we became
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: very worried. This is a person with hundreds and hundreds
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: of content in social media and very active, very social person.
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: Very unusual behavior for Kara to not contact anyone for
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: even one day, let alone many days.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: The silence was deafening.
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: The last conversation I had with her, I remember trying
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: to encourage her, if not beg her to come back
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: to us. I just remember wanting so badly to get
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: her back, but knowing that she was nineteen and wanted
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: to strike out on her own, and she didn't want
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: to be under her parents' thumb anymore. It had to
• 33:38
  Speaker 7: be her decision.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: The family flew to Colorado Springs to search for her.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: In Kara's bedroom, the Nichols say there were clues something
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: was terribly wrong. Her professional makeup case was still there,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: nearly three hundred dollars and her laptop. The Nichols believed
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Kara was in grave danger. They pressed the local cops.
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: They began to suspect that something bad had happened.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Time was of the essence fresh clues could go stale.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Al Paso County Sheriff Terry mccketta appealed to the public
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: for help.
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: We all know somebody out there knows something they always do,
• 34:17
  Speaker 8: and all we're asking is to tell us where we
• 34:21
  Speaker 8: can find her, or to contact us with what happened.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Cops were on the case, or so it appeared, but
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Carra's family says that could not have been further from
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: the truth. The lead investigator, this man, Deputy Cliff Porter,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: admits in this audio tape, while being questioned by his
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: superiors that he had barely lifted a finger to find Kara.
• 34:42
  Speaker 22: I said, you know, maybe somebody would finally just say, look,
• 34:45
  Speaker 22: this is a cold case.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: This girl's probably dead.
• 34:47
  Speaker 14: We're going to work the leads, but we're going to
• 34:49
  Speaker 14: shell this thing and we won't overreact. Every time mister
• 34:52
  Speaker 14: Nichols comes.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: In the Nichols were outraged.
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: That was very angry.
• 34:58
  Speaker 22: It made me feel that they did not think my
• 35:02
  Speaker 22: daughter was worth searching for, that she was.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: Beneath their efforts.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: And what is just as disturbing. In that same audio recording,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Deputy Porter admits he dropped the ball, ignoring clues that
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: could have been vital in the early stages of the investigation.
• 35:20
  Speaker 14: I apologize, it's not going to be as good as
• 35:23
  Speaker 14: if I had done it.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: When when all that stuff happened.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Well, all that was going on. Tips were pouring into
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: the Nichols Facebook page, and one made family members tremble
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: in horror.
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: A person who claimed to have seen Kara and claimed
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: to have known that Kara was being trafficked two men.
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: This person urged us to drop everything immediately and go
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: to Long Island and find our daughter and rescue her.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: The Nichols now feared their daughter was being held prisoner
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: in a sex trafficking ring, but the police did not
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: find her at the location.
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: Nothing came of it. We don't know if it was
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: a prank. We don't know if it was a scam.
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: We just don't know.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Detective Jeff Nuir took over the case from Detective Sergeant
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Tammy Gugliata Nor doesn't believe Kara was going to a
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: modeling shoot, but he's keeping a tight lid on their
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: investigation until they're sure what happened to the platinum blonde.
• 36:22
  Speaker 19: I really don't know that she's a victim. She's a
• 36:24
  Speaker 19: missing person, whether she left on her own free will
• 36:27
  Speaker 19: or if she was taken against her will. When you
• 36:29
  Speaker 19: look at it is the possibility that there's foul play there.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: As the layers of their precious daughter's life slowly peeled away,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: the Nichols found out that some of Kara's other modeling
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: gigs were sometimes a cover for an escort service, even
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: though model Mayhem is a legitimate site for models.
• 36:47
  Speaker 9: The police do everything that they can, but it's skedding
• 36:51
  Speaker 9: to be very, very difficult with sites that we see
• 36:54
  Speaker 9: on the Internet, whether it's a modeling site, Craigslist, all
• 36:58
  Speaker 9: of them, and they behind the law, and so do
• 37:02
  Speaker 9: the perpetrators, as we've seen in our case of car Nichols.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: The Nichols have sought outside help from the Women's Coalition
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Against Violence and Exploitation, a group that gets the word
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: out and tracks social media on hundreds of missing person cases.
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: Under no circumstances.
• 37:21
  Speaker 9: Does this family believe the things that the police have
• 37:25
  Speaker 9: always tried to have This family believe that car killed herself,
• 37:29
  Speaker 9: so where's her body? Or accidental drug overdose where's her body?
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Or third that she.
• 37:38
  Speaker 9: Doesn't want to be found, and she's doing this to
• 37:41
  Speaker 9: mess with her family. A trafficking ring we believe is valid.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: The leads the coalition received early on did not look
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: good for the five foot eight model. One said this,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: you know Carr was killed by her pimp and Denver right,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: she owed like three grand and then the next day
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: she was abducted a bunch of bad dudes. They were
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: talking about her and other girls. I guess there is
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: a stretch of road that like ten bodies are buried at.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: The area pinpointed thirty miles south of Denver is the
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: same direction Kara was headed the night she went missing.
• 38:15
  Speaker 22: I believe it is the truth and it is the
• 38:17
  Speaker 22: answer to what has happened to my daughter.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Crime watched Daily tried to contact the tipsture, but he
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: did not respond.
• 38:26
  Speaker 9: Most likely this is a true tip.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: The detectives say they understand the Nichols pain.
• 38:32
  Speaker 19: Imagine being a parent and knowing that their child has
• 38:35
  Speaker 19: disappeared and doesn't know what happened to him, or they've
• 38:37
  Speaker 19: been murdered and don't know what happened to him. That's
• 38:40
  Speaker 19: a loss that you can't fill. So we continue on.
• 38:43
  Speaker 19: We won't stop.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: For now, the Nichols sit tortured, flipping through their family
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: photo albums.
• 38:51
  Speaker 7: I would like to tell her that she has unconditional
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: love from her family and we have been praying for
• 38:59
  Speaker 7: her say and we would consider it the greatest miracle
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: and blessing for her to come back