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- Lucas: When people talk about payment networks, they usually name the startups. Stripe, Square, Adyen. The disruptors. But the company that still clears about forty percent of the world's card transactions — that's Visa. And the CEO who modernized it for a world that barely uses plastic anymore is Al Kelly. Luna: And I think a lot of listeners might not realize just how big Visa is. We did an episode on network effects a while back — Visa is maybe the purest example of them. Lucas: Exactly. Right now, Visa processes about sixty-five thousand transactions per second. Globally. That's roughly two hundred million transactions a day. And yet, ten years ago, the narrative was that Visa was doomed. Fintech was going to eat its lunch. Mobile wallets, peer to peer payment apps, cryptocurrencies — all of it was going to bypass the old card networks. Luna: But instead, Visa's market cap is higher today than it was in 2015. What did Kelly actually do? Lucas: So, Al Kelly took over as CEO in 2016. He had been president of the company before that, so he knew the business cold. But the first big move he made was a bet on unification. In 2016, Visa closed the acquisition of Visa Europe — a deal worth about twenty-one billion dollars. For years, Visa Europe had been a separate entity, owned by a consortium of European banks. Kelly argued that to compete globally, Visa needed a single, integrated network. That acquisition gave them full control over the European market, which accounts for about a quarter of global payment volume. Luna: And that deal, if I remember, was controversial because the European banks were essentially selling their golden goose. But Kelly convinced them the standalone network couldn't scale against the tech giants coming into payments. Lucas: Right. And it worked. By 2019, Visa was processing over eleven trillion dollars in transactions annually. But here's where it gets interesting: Kelly didn't just focus on scale. He invested heavily in security infrastructure — tokenization, biometric authentication, artificial intelligence for fraud detection. Visa's fraud rate is now below one-tenth of one percent. That's the kind of trust that startups can't replicate overnight. Luna: But they also faced a huge threat from a different direction: regulatory pressure in Europe, caps on interchange fees, and the rise of open banking. How did Kelly navigate that? Lucas: He pivoted the narrative. Instead of fighting regulation, Visa positioned itself as the infrastructure for open banking. They launched Visa Direct, which enables real-time peer to peer payments. They acquired Plaid in 2020 for five point three billion dollars — though the deal was later blocked by regulators. But the strategy was clear: become the backbone that fintechs build on, not the competitor they try to bypass. Luna: And Plaid was exactly that — they connect consumer bank accounts to apps like Venmo and Robinhood. By buying them, Visa would have owned the data layer of consumer finance. The fact that regulators blocked it shows how powerful that would have been. Lucas: Exactly. And even without Plaid, Kelly kept pushing. He invested in a partnership with Google Pay and Apple Pay. Instead of fighting the wallet makers, Visa made sure every digital wallet used Visa rails. That's classic network effect strategy: make your product the default. Luna: There's also the whole emerging-market story. In Africa, India, Southeast Asia — Visa isn't just credit cards, it's mobile-based payment systems. In India, the government's UPI system competes directly, but Visa still handles a huge chunk of cross-border transactions. Lucas: Right. And Kelly was laser-focused on that. In 2021, Visa launched a partnership with over fifty fintechs in Africa alone. The idea is that as those economies digitize, Visa is already there. The book value of those partnerships is hard to quantify, but it's a long-term bet. Luna: But here's the question I keep coming back to: central bank digital currencies. CBDCs. If governments issue their own digital currencies, do they need Visa at all? Lucas: That is the existential question for Visa. And Kelly's answer has been: 'We are agnostic to the form of money.' Visa is building infrastructure to support CBDCs. They filed a patent for a digital currency wallet. They've tested settlement using blockchain. The logic is that even if money becomes digital and state-issued, it still needs to be moved, secured, and authenticated. That's Visa's job. Luna: But isn't that a bit of a Hail Mary? I mean, if a central bank issues a digital yuan or digital euro, they could build their own rails. China's digital yuan doesn't use Visa. Lucas: It doesn't. And you're right to be skeptical. But think about the complexity of building a global payment network from scratch. It's not just software — it's relationships with tens of thousands of financial institutions, fraud detection, settlement protocols, regulatory compliance in every country. That's why Kelly's strategy is to be indispensable. Even the Chinese government, which controls the digital yuan, still needs Visa for cross-border payments when Chinese tourists travel abroad. Visa's moat isn't technology — it's ubiquity. Luna: And that brings us back to Al Kelly's leadership style. He's not a flashy CEO. He doesn't give big product keynotes or write manifestos. How did he actually drive change internally? Lucas: He restructured the company into four business units: consumer payments, business payments, merchant solutions, and new flows. That's a classic matrix, but what was different was how much autonomy he gave each unit. He told them to think of themselves as startups within Visa. That allowed them to move faster — for example, Visa Direct went from idea to launch in eighteen months, which is incredibly fast for a company that size. Luna: And he also had to manage the relationship with the banks that issue Visa cards. Those banks are both partners and competitors — they could push their own payment schemes. Kelly kept them onside by constantly showing that Visa's network generates more revenue for them than any alternative. Lucas: Exactly. And that's the core of his strategy: make the network so valuable that no one wants to leave. Visa's net profit margin is over forty-five percent. That's higher than Apple or Microsoft. And it's not because they charge high fees — it's because the cost of processing a transaction is so low at their scale. They process transactions for pennies, and those pennies add up to billions. Luna: So what's the single biggest risk for Visa over the next five years? Lucas: I'd say it's not CBDCs or fintech startups — it's the possibility that a major platform like Amazon or Apple builds its own payment network from scratch, bypassing Visa entirely. Amazon already processes its own payments in some regions. Apple has Apple Pay, but it still uses Visa rails. If they ever decide to build their own closed loop, that's a direct threat. Kelly's defense is to make Visa so embedded that it's too costly to replace. Luna: But that's exactly what the regulators are worried about — that Visa's dominance is anti-competitive. The Department of Justice sued Visa in 2021 over alleged monopolistic practices in debit cards. Lucas: That suit is ongoing. And it's a real cloud over the stock. But Kelly's argument is that Visa's market share is a result of superior efficiency, not predatory behavior. He points out that merchant fees have actually declined over the past decade, and that Visa's net margins are high because they've automated and scaled, not because they squeeze merchants. Luna: It's a tough argument to make when your market share is over sixty percent in debit. But let's talk about Kelly's own background. He came from American Express and then was CFO at Visa before becoming CEO. He's a finance guy running a technology company. Does that matter? Lucas: It matters a lot. He speaks the language of the banks. When he talks to Jamie Dimon or the CEO of HSBC, he can talk about their balance sheets. But he also recognized early that Visa had to become a tech company. He brought in a new chief technology officer, invested in api first architecture, and made Visa's developer portal as good as Stripe's. That combination is rare — a CEO who can talk to both bankers and engineers. Luna: So what's the final lesson from Kelly's tenure? If I'm a CEO of a company that's been around for decades and facing disruption, what do I take away? Lucas: I think the lesson is: don't protect your legacy product — protect your network. Visa could have tried to make credit cards better. Instead, they made themselves the best way to move money, regardless of the form. That meant embracing Apple Pay, building for real-time payments, and betting on emerging markets. Kelly didn't fight the future; he made sure Visa was the pipes that the future runs on. Luna: And that's a very different playbook than, say, a media company that tries to defend its existing ad model against digital. Visa leaned into the change. Lucas: Right. And the numbers back it up. Since Kelly took over in 2016, Visa's revenue has grown from about fifteen billion dollars to over twenty-seven billion in fiscal 2025. Earnings per share have more than doubled. The stock has outperformed the S&P 500 by a wide margin. Not bad for a company that processes transactions on a network built in the 1950s. Luna: It's also a reminder that for all the talk about disruption, incumbents with strong network effects can adapt. But it takes a leader who's willing to cannibalize the old business before someone else does. Lucas: And that's the hardest part — because cannibalization is painful. But Kelly showed that if you do it right, the new business can be even bigger than the old one. Luna: If these conversations have moved your work forward in some small way, we're glad. This show is completely ad-free by design — no sponsors, no commercials. That's a choice we've made from day one. Lucas: Yeah, we want the episodes to be clean and focused on the ideas. So if you find value in that, the simplest way to support it is a small contribution at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. It's not a subscription, no strings attached. Luna: And it genuinely helps keep us independent. Now, back to Visa — one more thing I find fascinating is how Kelly handled the talent side. He apparently required every executive to spend a day in a call center or a merchant's store every year. Lucas: That's right. It was part of a program called 'Get on the Ground.' He wanted leaders to see the friction points firsthand. That's how they discovered that small merchants were frustrated with the complexity of Visa's fee structures. So they simplified them. That's a great example of leading from the front. Luna: And it's a small thing, but those small things add up to a culture that's customer-obsessed rather than bank-obsessed. Lucas: Exactly. And that culture is what will determine whether Visa survives the next decade. The technology can be copied. The regulatory strategy can be replicated. But a culture of constantly asking 'what does the end user need?' — that's harder to build. And Al Kelly built it. Luna: So as we look ahead, what's the one thing you're watching most closely? Lucas: I'm watching how Visa handles the rise of 'account to account' payments, especially in Europe where instant bank transfers are becoming free and ubiquitous. If consumers stop using cards altogether, Visa's model is challenged. But Kelly's already working on that — Visa is building its own instant payment service. The question is whether they can win on speed and convenience against government-backed systems. Luna: And on that note, we'll leave it. Thanks for listening, and we'll be back soon with another CEO story.