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Episode 37 Payback 2023 Review!!!!! · Podcast Championship Wrestling

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  You know that feeling, yeah, and something is coming, something you started
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  but now you can't stop. What about Ripley again attacking the bea Rotel,
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  Well, that's something is huge tonight, payback it's currency. I am unafreadable
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  as the Woman's Weld Champion, and you're gonna learn to feel mainly and it's
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  time to pay up. Propel Rodrigus going right after rear Rippo. Let me
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  tell you of the world. I am okay shows from Norcoford Lawlence. I
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  won the world title. I am the greatest of not only my generation,
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  but of this generation. I wasn't supposed to change the game, but I
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  did. I let you see, it will be defined by survival. You're
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  not gonna survive this one day. Tonight, get ready to raise some hell
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  shock stayed up its back tonight Read what water la night is not on my
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  level. I'm gonna become the United States Champion for a third time. Six
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  night. Nobody can stop rules anything. Payback as a ride, Watch up
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  back, grabman your honor, friends, and this is the friendship battle never
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  ever ends. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the least requested, least demanded,
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  and the least downloaded wrestling podcast pc W. This could be a long
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  podcast, so strapping and shut up and don't be a little I'll mention about
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  it. This is a masterless question. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls,
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  children of all ages. Welcome back to another episode of pc W podcast
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  Championship Wrestling, where tonight we are going to talk about payback that happened just
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  over the labor Day weekend. Uh, and let me bring in my co
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  host, Welcome back Dray Yo yo. What did it do? Pc W
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  crew? Hey man, how did you enjoy your liver Day weekend? I
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  had a four day weekend off of work, so it was great for me.
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  Yeah right, and it's so it's nice to fit a nice wrestling pay
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  per view in there, right, Yeah yeah, it worked out nicely for
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  me. Yeah yeah, alright, let's bring him on out everyday. Oil.
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  Oh it's me, it's me. It's a d y l E.
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  And I got a recommendation for you guys right off the bat here. Okay.
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  I am somewhat of a bookworm. Uh and I have been reading,
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  or actually read in about three sittings, the Brian Gortz book that came out
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  last year. It's finally out in paperback. It's called There's Just One Problem.
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  True tales from the former one time seventh most powerful person in WWE,
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  and it is excellent. Uh. I don't read all of the wrestling books.
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  I think they're a lot of them are superfluous. But the only one
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  I can think of that's better is uh mcfoley's first book. I think this
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  is a must read if you're a wrestling fan. Have a Nice Day wasn't
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  his first one? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, this is I would put
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  this slot this in a solid number two, yeah behind because I think I
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  think I read mcfoley's first of a book, like I actually owned two wrestling
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  books. I've read Stone Cold's autobiography from back in the day, don't remember
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  the name title of it. And I'm pretty sure I have a Nice Day
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  was the one I read from Mick Follis. I know he written. He
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  wrote more than one, right, I'm pretty sure I have a Nice Day
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  is the one I read it. I might be wrong. I'd have to
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  dig into crates and see which books I have, but yeah, I remember
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  enjoying both of those. They fully had a lot of This one's up there
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  on that level then, Yeah, but it's it's it's really good. It's
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  it's real quick too. It's like two fifty two hundred and fifty pages or
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  so. Like I said, I think I read it in three or four
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  settings. Yeah, it's really easy read and just I enjoyed it very much.
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  I highly recommend it been like book wise, Jericho, I remember it
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  came out with a couple of books look at like best best sellers that we've
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  had. I guess Bret Hart, maybe Eric Bischoff and or Rick Flair,
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  Kurt Angle. Is there a bunch of the books that had I remember top
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  top selling at the time. Oh yeah, and Stone Cold Steve Auston of
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  course. But it was the last time. Yeah, feel like there was
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  a time, there was a time where everybody was relation a book. Yeah,
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  exactly, Like we haven't had that in a while, spending a lot
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  of them out there, and most of them I don't think of particularly that
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  good. But right there there was a phase, you know, when when
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  we had a good books. And then also you know, did you guys
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  ever get the wrestling magazines back in the j Yeah. I used to get
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  the Raw and SmackDown versions, so I would get both both of them.
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  In the mail. They were always becoming wrestling posters. Uh I'd be like,
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  all right, hopefully it's good wrestler, because I had hanging like a
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  terrible wrestler on my wall. It would be such a disappointing month. You
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  know, you get the magazine, you pretty guys, somebody good, then
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  you know it's somebody awful. So uh, Dre, you do you want
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  to take over? Because uh, you know these post podcast episodes this is
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  this is your is your company, this is your Let's become a jam.
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  Let's become a get down. Yeah whatever, we want to call it your
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  your jam. So you were a general manager for the Evening sir. So
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  alrighty then, well, as is typical has become the case with this show.
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  Now we are doing our post pl e review. Well, we'll talk
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  about these matches and uh, any other topics, any of the questions I
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  can come up with that can provoke some debate or conversation. So in this
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  case, we're talking about Payback, which took place from the PPG Paints Arena
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  in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Apparently they had an attendance of around fourteen thousand,
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  five hundred eighty four people for this arena, which I'm pretty sure counts as
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  a sellout for that arena. First match on the card was Trish Stratus versus
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  Becky Lynch in a steel cage, finally putting it into the feud once and
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  for all. And this match I thought was a very good match, definitely
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  the best match out of the multiple matches these two have had together. It
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  was way better than the match that they had at Night of Champions, way
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  better than the BS matches they had on Raw, which ended in double count
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  outs and quick disqualifications and all that mess. I would even go so far
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  as saying this is the second best women's match I've seen this year, second
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  only two rear Ripley and Charlotte Flair from WrestleMania. I thought this match was
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  that good. It did kind of start off a little bit slow, but
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  once they got going, they got going. Oh and by the way,
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  yeah, Becky Lynch won. Obviously, I'm assuming if you were listening to
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  the show, you watched the show, you know who won. But yeah,
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  I thought again, I thought the match was top notch. Tris Stratus,
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  for a woman in her late forties, looked like she was in her
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  prime. She took some absolutely sick bumps in this match, from the superplex
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  that she took, to the man handled slam, from the top rope that
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  she took, and some other even other stunts where she was had her legs
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  stuck in the top of the cage and was bent over backwards, and at
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  that moment, I ain't gonna lie. I was kind of legitimately nervous because
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  I was like, if one of them legs go out and something goes horribly
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  wrong, oh, we in for a real bad But all them years of
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  yoga paid off for her because she held on and the little interference from a
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  Zoe Stark even was well timed and didn't feel like it took away from the
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  match. It it added to it at the proper at the proper moment,
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  without her being without her over being overexposed in the match and part of it
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  for too long. They saved it for the right moment, brought her in
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  towards the end, towards the finish, had a little part, and then
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  that was it, with Becky Lynch getting to win again. I thought this
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  was an absolute top tier match and like I said, second best woman's match
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  of the year that I've seen. Wayne what are your thoughts on the match?
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  Actually, I didn't think the match wasn't that bad at all, and
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  that I did. I agree man Like maybe, like I was saying,
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  like steel cage matches we've had over the past few years, and this probably
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  definitely ranks up there pretty high because and there's also a lot of story towards
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  this and playing here's uh so he starts role in this. I mean it
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  played out very very well. I'm just I hope we're done with this feud.
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  I hope Trish can move on. Maybe you know, the way it
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  ended, maybe she just kind of might be written off a TV for a
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  little bit. Uh, you know, if Becky can it looks like we
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  might see Becky car head in head XT, which is kind of a weird
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  direction, but we've seen you know, people like Charlotte done that, you
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  know, go back to NXC and maybe a capture that title for a while.
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  So if that's where she's heading, you know, after this feud,
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  you know, awesome, Uh you know, looks like Zoey's you know character
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  turning on Trish definitely raise her stock up a little bit here. So is
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  Trish face now or is it? What's it? He'll turn. That was
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  kind of confused, Hotward, you know what Trish leaves as I'm assuming a
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  face. But you know, as for the the science of the match itself,
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  the match was great, a lot of great spots that superplex off the
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  top. As for cage matches goes, do you guys, would you ever
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  agree that like having a legit cage match would involve keeping the gate shut permanently,
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  like the only way to win is pen submission or climb up over the
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  top. I always thought the opening of the door and having to put two
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  feet out was kind of silly. Oh to a certain degree. Yeah,
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  I mean to a certain extent, it's kind of a lazy way out.
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  Or oh, let's just let me just book it to this door real quick
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  and run out. So yeah, it's kind of a lazy way out.
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  Fortunately they don't use it that often, and more often than not that door
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  is used for somebody else to get in the cage, then for any of
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  the competitors to get out of it, right, Yeah, I mean it's
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  so silly. I mean you would think, like if you want to have
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  somebody all to yourself, like you, you know, they can't escape,
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  they have to you know, like climb up over the top to get out,
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  and I don't know, I feel like you would make the match very
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  you know, a hell of a lot more interesting. Uh yeah, we
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  do you agree there with me? Oh? Yes, In fact, I
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  have a little note about that exact topic. But if I tell you what
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  now, I will lose my place, So I'll go back into the order
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  in which I wrote this ship down. Do you guys notice during Tricia's entrance,
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  she goes over and talks to a fan. She said something to a
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  fan before she gets in the cage. She told her to shut the fuck
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  up. Y god, I saw that clip and I was like, that's
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  why I loved that woman. That is why I love her. Yeah,
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  yeah, you know, and I've not really been a huge fan of Trish
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  on this particular run, either in the ring or on the stick, but
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  this was by far the best work she's done. Uh you know, in
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  this little return that she's going on here, and you know, credit where
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  credit is due. I think this is the best match on the card.
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  Yeah, and probably the second best women's match of the year so far.
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  And I'm saying something because I fucking loved that tag match. But we'll get
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  to that in a minute. I like Trish pulling out the widow's peak from
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  Victoria and Becky doing the twist of fate from Leda. The holy shit the
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  commentary and need to explain it to us like we were four fucking years old,
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  Like, yeah, say Victoria, say it's Victoria's widow's peak. Fine,
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  end the story. You don't need to continue. You don't need to
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  spend the next three minutes telling us about that. That kind of drove me
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  crazy. Now into the the cage stuff. Yeah, I wasn't a huge
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  fan of Zoe Stark getting involved, you know, especially because the whole fucking
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  point of the cage was to keep her out. But I guess it did
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  make sense for the story for that to happen. But I would have liked
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  her to have to have come down with you know, clippers or something to
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  cut a lock off, or you know, fight her way through a dozen
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  security guards or something. You know. It was just instead of, you
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  know, she shouldn't have been able to just waltz down, you know what
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  I mean. It should have been a little she had a little more resistance
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  to get in there. So I guess Becky is gonna go feud with with
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  Tiffany Stratton over the NXT title she never won. I mean that should certainly
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  help Stratton, but I don't know what it does for Becky. Uh.
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  You know, if she wins the NXC title, great, she's supposed to,
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  and if she doesn't, she kind of looks like a JABRONI. So
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  I kind of don't know what the point of that is. Is there?
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  Well, what would be the women's equivalent of a Grand Slam title? Do
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  they have it? Is it just SmackDown? Is it just the SmackDown title?
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  Row t women's titler than the tag titles? Was? Was that what
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  it was previously? I'm not sure that they're officially are they officially calling something?
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  I think the NXT title the Women's NXC was part of the Grand Slam.
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  Yeah, that's what I'm wondering. That's what I was because that's going
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  with it. I think Bailey was the first one. But I know,
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  yeah, I know if Charlotte is definitely one that I know, Alexa Bliss
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  is definitely. Okay, they're they're calling the raw, the SmackDown, the
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  NXT and the tag titles. Okay, you got Bailey, Oscar, Sasha
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  Charlotte and Riga. Okay, so so there it is. I guess if
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  she it wins that when then that would be the Grand Slam because I'm I'm
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  assuming Becky's been tag team champion before with somebody. Yeah, it would lead
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  it right right, So obviously literally just happened this year at so long ago,
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  like this feud, you know what I mean, dig dig back,
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  like how this feud started, like with uh, you know, Lida was
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  involved, and we all kind of like we're still kind of hoping and banking
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  that Leada would have returned in some way, shape or form and got a
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  little bit of revenge. But I mean, yeah, yeah, I think
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  we talked about that in the uh in the in the Prediction show, we
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  talked about the possibility of Leader showing up to get some some getting back,
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  and I'm somewhat surprised that it didn't happen. But at the same time,
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  when I was watching the match and once everything was going, Leda was the
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  last thing on my mind. No disrespect to her, but said about the
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  lack of Lida. Yeah, yeah, like she was not missed. Her
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  presence was not missed. And again that's not a stab at her. That's
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  just moral credit to the quality of match that Becky and Trish put on.
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  So I guess Zoey is gonna feard with Shana Basler now, but like somebody
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  needs to be the baby face, right, So yeah, I see.
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  I was. I wondered about that too Monday seeing those two because I'm like,
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  you got two people who are still in the eyes of the fans heels,
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  because yeah, after the match, you know, Zoe did turn her
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  back on Trish and hit her with the Z three sixty, which, speaking
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  to that for a brief moment, either Zoe needs another finisher, which isn't
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  likely happening because they're kind of you know, you know, all in on
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  that Z three sixty thing, or she needs to come up with better ways
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  to set it up. Yeah, because it was so blatant, blatantly obviously
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  that it was happening in the post match where Trish you know, pushed her
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  or slapped her or whatever and then literally just gets in the cradle position like
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  okay, arm here, get you by the legs and now three sixties like
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  that could have been That part was just like really poorly executed. There's definitely
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  one of those moves where the person taking it is clearly cooperating exactly right.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, that could have been a better way
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  of It's a it's a nice finisher, but it just she needs to come
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  up with better ways of executing it. Like right then, when Trish you
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  know, slapped or whatever, maybe she grabs Trish by the hair and just
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  pulls it back and starts yelling at her. And in the midst of that,
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  that's how you set up the move because you you've partially got her somewhat
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  in position, but you're distracting the audience with the fact that you're screaming in
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  her face, as opposed to okay, here here, cradle flip me Like,
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  no, that's an excellent point. Yeah, she might be despite all
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  that, z that whate Stark might be the rookie of the year. Uh
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  oh yeah. And I don't know if there's any way to quantify it.
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  And we've we've talked about it before. When they when they call up these
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  NXT people and they pair them with a veteran, I feel like they do
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  so much better than the ones that don't get paired up with somebody, right,
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  you know, I don't know if somebody wants to go into a long
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  range study of that. But uh, you know, like who's the who's
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  the little hairy guy he was like randomly in one of these US title lead
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  up matches, but Cameron grimes like he hasn't done a fucking thing and he's
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  got nobody paired up with him. Yeah. Anyway, Yeah, I think
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  I think Trish is going to go back to Canada in time for a Hockey
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  Night in Canada to start backup. Although I can't believe I'm going to say
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  this, I wouldn't mind seeing her come back because I really was not enjoying
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  her work up until this match. I wouldn't mind seeing her come back at
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  some point. I think she still has a lot to offer. Clearly she
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  can still go. I mean I think she needs a Hall of Fame caliber,
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  you know, somebody to work with. Uh. I don't know if
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  she would have that same match with the Rock's daughter, say, but yeah,
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  I loved it. I really really loved this. This is like a
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  I've been saying four and four and a quarter stars for this one. But
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  of course Becky went in. It's the right decision, uh, and Irish
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  eyes a smiling oh yeah, and that was like one of the best superplexes
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  of all time. Yeah, yeah, that was a phenomenal one. And
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  way she promps to her for taking that bump. Like I said, all
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  those years of yoga, I'm pretty sure really paid off for Trish for take
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  all those bumps and be bruised and battered but not broken. Actually that that
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  reminds me something I wanted to say. Uh yeah, we were questioning whether
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  Trish had turned face or not because that picture she put up with all her
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  bruises and everything. She said, thank you Becky, right, So I
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  think that indicates face turn possibly. And also there's a clip going around of
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  Trish leaving after the match to thank you Trish chance and you still got a
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  chance. So the audience, the crowd there definitely showed their appreciation to Trish
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  after the match. So yeah, I mean she she's one of those people.
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  I think you could, you know, flip the switch and she's back
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  as a baby face. Yeah, And I think she's probably done for now
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  because it doesn't one. I'm sure she's still attached to that television show Canada's
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  Got Talent, I think, which if the fall season is coming around,
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  that that show might be ramping up and so I think we're probably done with
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  seeing Trish for a while. She and the feed has ended. It's over.
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  It's final. Like we've discussed, it's always seems to be heading in
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  to some program with Shana Baysler. I don't know if it's going to be
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  again. I can't see it as being one person being the face and one
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  person being the heel because the one the crowd was good as fuck for that
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  match on Monday. That was a wood That was a bathroom break match if
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  I ever saw one. Because the match itself was bad, but because they
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  you know, they performed in the ring they had, they gave him some
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  time to work with two like they got like a you know, a start,
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  a commercial break, and then a finish, so they got time to
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  work. It's just that neither neither person, neither character has had much development.
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  Zoe is fresh off of being associated with Trician A hill move that one
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  Z three sixty isn't going to turn everything around, so we don't know what
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  direction they're going with her. Shana had the potential to have possibly gotten a
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  face run or something, a face ring something when her few with Rod the
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  rousing, because you know, again going into that Summer Slam match when she
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  cut that promo about her passion all things she's been through in the industry.
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  Yeah, that was Taylor made for her to emerge as a face. But
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  the match sucked, and they haven't done anything with Shana since Summer Slam other
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  than I think she's maybe had like one or two squash matches. So they
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  didn't capitalize on any momentum that Shanda could have had coming out of SummerSlam.
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  So honestly, I thought the match was almost like a tryout where they were
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  like, all right, let's throw these two in the ring, and let's
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  see which one the audience gets behind, and then that's the one that we
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  may make a face in the feud. But then that also, I don't
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  think it does anything for the two of them to be pitted against each other
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  either because whoever cup loser is kind of gonna be buried, because neither one
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  of them are in much of a position to where they can afford to take
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  a significant loss in a feud. So the fact that after the match we
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  saw Shanda Basler like shake her hand and kind of acknowledge her, they may
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  actually turn into a They made it. They made that mutual respect thing may
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  turn into some sort of partnership between the two, and I don't think that's
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  horrible. No, I don't think it's bad at all, because, like
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  I said, I don't think either one of them Shana. Maybe Shane is
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  probably strong enough to stand on her own if they booked her, right and
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  if they tried to make her that dangerous person she wasn't NXT when she was
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  the Queen's Bays and all that. Possibly, but Zoe is still very much
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  a rookie and I don't know that she has much to go off of to
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  stand on her own yet. So pairing if they decided to pair her up
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  with shaneup Basler moving forward and that's her next program, and then that can
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  probably work out for the both of them. Yeah, I mean they're not
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  like there's a plethora of women's tag teams. God, and who wants those
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  belts anyway because their cards? Yeah right, Yeah, that's a whole nother
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  fucking conversation right there. You know, just so many. I feel like
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  we just dedicate a whole episode of just like putting together new tag teams of
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  all the women that are on that roster, Like we could do it.
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  Let's create a bracket, create tag teams, terrible tag teams, but we'll
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  give them new gimmicks. Yes, God, you know who know Who's Who's
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  great for that? Natalia? I think Natalia has been like everybody's tag team
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  partner at some point, right like probably, I mean it seems that this
• 27:41
  is just one of those people up alright, anything left on that on that
• 27:47
  match, No any final thoughts. I think we're good. All right,
• 27:52
  then, well we're being go on from there. After that, we got
• 27:55
  our host of Payback, John Cina, who came out to give the audience
• 28:00
  a little hype it a little hyping up, which is kind of weird to
• 28:04
  have the host come out after the opening match, but however, he came
• 28:07
  out and said, welcome to Payback after we already had a match, and
• 28:11
  at his little hype up moment, so which point he was interrupted by the
• 28:15
  Miss, who came out and gave John Cena advice on hosting because Miss does
• 28:22
  have experience with hosting before and they had a little bit of back and forth
• 28:26
  bench to him, and those two have some really good chemistry together. I
• 28:30
  gotta give them that. They have great chemistry together. That a little segment
• 28:33
  between the two was actually pretty damn entertaining. Well, they're two of the
• 28:37
  best talkers in WWE history, you know, yeah, I guess that's not
• 28:41
  a guarantee for a good mesh, but it certainly well, I mean they've
• 28:47
  worked together plenty of times before, you know, Yeah, yeah, you
• 28:49
  can see you can see the the you know a little bit of the them
• 28:53
  throwing shade at each other, a little bit of that past. You know,
• 28:56
  they kind of you know, touched on that a little bit there.
• 29:00
  Yeah, I mean their history with each other, So between them two years
• 29:06
  ago, so what I say, what did La Knights say about twelve years
• 29:10
  ago? I think they had their few Yeah, I mean that's like there's
• 29:14
  a lot of rich history there the two. Yeah, yeah, And it's
• 29:18
  nice to see guys who have history together kind of interact with each other.
• 29:22
  And you know, there's always that permanent tension that's there because of their history,
• 29:26
  and like you know, anytime the Rock and Trip places together, there's
• 29:29
  always gonna be that tension there forever. Like I kind of you saw that
• 29:33
  with like I said, with a miss and Sina to which shit, Eventually
• 29:38
  we got mister La Knights coming out after John Cena declared himself the special to
• 29:45
  be the special guest referee for the match. Our second match of the night
• 29:49
  was Miss versus La Knights with John Cena as special guest referee, which when
• 29:56
  I first saw that Sina was going to be the special guest ref I was
• 30:02
  nervous that they were throwing him in there because they weren't confident and missing La
• 30:07
  Knights match, so they felt like it needed something else though, something someone
• 30:12
  in caliber of John Seen in there to make people, get people invested in
• 30:17
  the match, or just make it seem more important. But and I thought
• 30:22
  he was gonna steal some of the limelight away from La Knight but so but
• 30:27
  fortunately John Cena didn't do that. He actually played the role of referee very
• 30:33
  well in terms of staying out of it, only getting involved when necessary to
• 30:40
  like you know, break up five counts and this add a third which led
• 30:44
  to moments of tension between both him and La Knight and him and Miss.
• 30:48
  But other than that, he pretty much fell in. It fell to the
• 30:51
  background, and the match focused exclusively for the most part, like ninety percent
• 30:56
  of the match was just missing La Knight and the match itself was it was
• 31:03
  Okay, it wasn't anything really special. You know, it very much could
• 31:07
  have been a you know, i'll raw made event match, but La Knight
• 31:14
  came out on top predictably enough and then got uh a little bit of a
• 31:22
  small tension moment between him and John Cena. I don't think it's gonna lead
• 31:26
  to anything where, you know, John Cena tried to raise his hand outside
• 31:29
  the ring when they were back towards the towards the entranceway, and it looks
• 31:36
  like La and I kind of told him off a little bit, like he
• 31:37
  almost caused me to match out there and inside John and seemed to look back
• 31:41
  and him like, miss shut the fuck up and let me shake my damn
• 31:44
  hand, and he kind of me mugged him a little bit as he raised
• 31:47
  his hand. I don't think that. Again, I don't think that's going
• 31:51
  to develop into like a John Cena l A Knight feud unless we get a
• 31:55
  Scena Hill turn, which I mean isn't totally outside the run with possibility.
• 31:59
  But I don't really think that's gonna happen. But again, the matches though,
• 32:04
  it was you know, standard issue standards fair. The two worked good,
• 32:08
  had a good enough match La and I came out on top again predictably
• 32:14
  so because he's on his he's on his way up. Other than that,
• 32:19
  yeah, it was okay. If I had to give it a rating,
• 32:22
  I yeah, maybe two and three quarter stars, maybe three stars. The
• 32:29
  Doyle what do you think of a match? I got two words for you,
• 32:34
  two long and spoiler alert. That's gonna be a recurring theme, Like,
• 32:42
  I mean, if you're only gonna put six matches on a card because
• 32:45
  you want everything to have time to breathe or whatever, that's fine. Not
• 32:49
  everything needs to breathe a ton h Also, it was six matches, still
• 32:54
  took three and a half hours, you know, are three three fifteen?
• 33:00
  I think it was. Uh, I'll plug me doing Carlos's podcast again,
• 33:06
  which we still haven't done, but we will be doing. Uh. We
• 33:08
  just watched Tresomania seven that was three and a half hours over fourteen matches.
• 33:14
  This is shorter and only had six you know, uh, and this is
• 33:17
  a prime example of fat that could have been trimmed. You know, I
• 33:22
  like Ella Knight as much as the next guy. And I'm not saying he's
• 33:27
  bad in the ring, because he isn't, But like, do you realistically
• 33:30
  see him ever in the four star territory, you know, Like I think
• 33:36
  that's gonna be a problem going forward for him, as he's perfectly serviceable.
• 33:40
  But I don't I don't know if he's gonna ever be anything phenomenal in the
• 33:45
  ring. And yeah, I think it was like sixteen minutes long, I
• 33:52
  think, or a little under it could have I could have done with half
• 33:54
  of that eight minutes. Ten minute range would have helped tremendously. I think
• 34:00
  Sina I thought, yeah, he did a great job, was like a
• 34:04
  goody two shoes right down the middle guest reff that pissed both competitors off.
• 34:08
  You know. Yeah, but like exactly like Drey said, unless you're gonna
• 34:13
  do La Knight l A Knight and Scena program, what the hell was the
• 34:16
  point of having him in this? You know, Like I can't see them
• 34:21
  turning La Night back to Heal and like, I mean, there's rumors that
• 34:24
  they're gonna turn Scena Heal, but I don't see that happening either. I
• 34:29
  mean, I believe that when I see it, you know. But it's
• 34:34
  just like he'll speaking of Sina, he's gonna need some credible wins at some
• 34:39
  point, right, because he's apparently gonna be around for a couple of months,
• 34:44
  and if he doesn't get that beating him is gonna stop meeting much of
• 34:47
  anything, right, Like, just as disagree with that one, just ask
• 34:52
  Austin theory. That's because of Austin theory though that ain't That ain't on Sina.
• 34:59
  Honestly, I I think seen it is at the point now where he
• 35:05
  does not have to win another match. His legacy is cemented. He there's
• 35:09
  an entire era of the ww is based based around him. Yeah, so
• 35:15
  he's in that level. He's in the John Cena, is in the Hulk,
• 35:19
  Holgan Stone Cold Steve Auston pantheon. So does he need wins for credibility?
• 35:25
  No, he's John fucking Sena. That carries the weight of it.
• 35:30
  It's hard to disagree, but I just like, how much is it being
• 35:34
  seen if everybody starts doing it, how much does it mean if they overdo?
• 35:38
  I see what you're saying, Like if he's if he looks like he's
• 35:42
  overstaying he's welcome and he's just getting his ass whipped all the time, then
• 35:45
  sure I can see that, But I don't think we at that point yet,
• 35:51
  because and if they're gonna literally call him the goat while they're announcing him,
• 35:54
  he can't be losing every match he's in, right, And honestly,
• 35:59
  I don't think he will be Like I don't think he's gonna be coming back
• 36:02
  working a single program and losing that program like we like by the last two
• 36:12
  matches we saw him work. He worked at the very end of last year,
• 36:15
  the Last SmackDown of twenty twenty two and Attack Match, which he won,
• 36:19
  and then he worked WrestleMania with Austin Theory, which he lost, which
• 36:23
  again that did nothing for Austin Theory because the match itself was shit, not
• 36:28
  because of John Cena's status, but that's just it was just a poorly booked
• 36:34
  match. If he's gonna be back now for an extended run, I could
• 36:37
  with some now here's where the problem I will say does lie and to where
• 36:44
  I saw would agree with you. I could see him having singles matches,
• 36:47
  but they would probably be with like Maybar, who he would just squash.
• 36:51
  Yeah. That's literally just about to say like I could see him beating Santos
• 36:54
  Escobar, you know, but I was gonna say, like a Grayson Waller
• 36:58
  or something like that, Like he I can see him at having like a
• 37:00
  match with with it. It's like it's the main event because it's John Seena.
• 37:04
  But we all know John Seene is gonna win because Grayson Waller ain't that
• 37:07
  dude yet. But that doesn't do anything for John seeing it, And I
• 37:09
  don't think it really hurts Grayson Waller either because he's losing to John Cena,
• 37:14
  So I don't Again, I just think seeing It is at the point now
• 37:19
  where he doesn't need to win any major feud that he's involved in because he's
• 37:25
  John Seen. He's at the point with now where he pretty much is only
• 37:29
  there just to put over the new guys. And I think people understand that
• 37:32
  and accept that. So any few that he's involved in, I would kind
• 37:37
  of expect him to lose. And whether even if it's a whether he's a
• 37:44
  heel feuding with a face or if he's you know, super seeding a baby
• 37:47
  face feuding with some hell. Either way, I still expect him to probably
• 37:52
  lose to the end because he doesn't need wins anymore. So let me ask
• 37:57
  you something, would you rather if you had to sign a contract, would
• 38:00
  you rather wrestle once a year, and but every time you wrestle within that
• 38:07
  five years you lose. Or would you rather work every Monday Night Raw?
• 38:13
  But every time you wrestle, you lose. Because that's kind of how miss
• 38:17
  pretty much was this year. Right, MS has lost every match has had
• 38:22
  except for one. Right, and this man still gets paid. John Cena
• 38:25
  has not won a match just twenty eighteen. I guess Triple H and Saudi.
• 38:31
  That's that's five years and Doyle, I totally get it. Man,
• 38:36
  Like credibility, you know, Johnston has it, but like, yeah,
• 38:42
  tinkering at that, you know, the chiseling away at John Cena, his
• 38:45
  legacy right there, but him not. Yeah, he's putting guys over,
• 38:51
  But yeah, I have no problem with him putting guys over. He absolutely,
• 38:54
  but you can't tell him the greatest of all time and then never having
• 38:58
  him win exactly. Yeah, but who's really but nobody's believing that greatest of
• 39:04
  all time thing. I don't even know why the hell Michael Cole says that,
• 39:07
  or why they even let Michael Cole keep saying that, because there ain't
• 39:09
  a single person alive who buys it into thatt like John Cena is the goat.
• 39:14
  No, they ain't no list nowhere, no debate nowhere where anybody other
• 39:21
  than the most diehard of John Cena stands are putting him at the top of
• 39:25
  any list. Nobody's calling him the goat. Honestly, it's disrespectful to the
• 39:31
  word goat. It cheapest the term by putting it on somebody who nobody putting
• 39:37
  that term with somebody that nobody agrees with. Like nobody thinks John Scene is
• 39:43
  greater than Hulk Hogan. Fuck Holk Hogan. Nobody agrees thinks that John Scene
• 39:47
  is greater than Stone Cole, Steve Austin. Like, if you would to
• 39:52
  rankeld him just by airs, he's probably three if you're talking about just like
• 39:57
  you know, that level of people setting of just caliber of performers, he
• 40:00
  would be at best three behind Hoganmore. You know Johnston is up there in
• 40:09
  the top four. I don't even know if he truth. He told me
• 40:15
  he probably ain't on everybody's Mount Rushmore. It depends on what the caliber,
• 40:19
  what the what, what criteria people are using, But I promise you he
• 40:22
  ain't on people's A lot of people's Mount Rushmore. The thing that John Cena
• 40:24
  has is that is that era. He was the face of the WWE for
• 40:30
  an era like Hogan was in the eighties, like Austin was with the attitude
• 40:34
  era. Sena was with the ruthless aggression era and Roman Reigns is now that
• 40:38
  face of the company for extended period of time. That's what puts him and
• 40:42
  that pantheon. Like if they did, if they did at Rustlemania forty,
• 40:45
  what they did at A thirty when they had Hogan, Austin and Rock,
• 40:50
  if they were to do something like that again next year, you better believe
• 40:53
  John Cena had better be a part of it. If they, you know,
• 40:57
  drag Hogan's ass out again and should and then bring out Austin again and
• 41:02
  they want to do like you know that rorst thing. Yeah, John Cena
• 41:06
  had better well be a part of it because he's earned that, he deserves
• 41:08
  that. He's he sits at that table. But that's it. And I
• 41:15
  don't mean that there's any shade towards him. But like I don't think anybody's
• 41:20
  putting them on his on their great Greatest Wrestler list. That's a completely different
• 41:24
  set of criteria. Nobody would put them on their Greatest Performer list, because
• 41:29
  that's again probably a different set of criteria. But what he does have for
• 41:34
  him is he put he put the company on his back for an extended period
• 41:38
  of time. It was the face of the company, and that's a level
• 41:43
  of greatness that again, only few people in the history of wrestling can lay
• 41:50
  claim to. I'll agree with Doyle though, I mean, like for me,
• 41:53
  this would be like a middle of the road, like like a three
• 41:57
  star right because I mean yourself, yeah, the match yourself is just long?
• 42:05
  Uh, I mean yeah, yeah, just too long. I mean
• 42:08
  I like, like Das said, where are we going with this with John
• 42:12
  Cena and an l a night? Like you were getting just the rub here
• 42:17
  is? I mean he shares them a little bit of respect, is that
• 42:22
  it? Uh? You know? And after like Raw on Monday, I'm
• 42:27
  kind of, you know, curious if that's even a question or John Cena
• 42:32
  has something else to do right now with somebody, But like you know what
• 42:37
  I mean, like, uh, you know, it's nice with the miss
• 42:40
  you know, with his credibility, he's always nice to dust off once in
• 42:44
  a while and put over somebody. But you know, these three guys just
• 42:49
  on the mic in general, uh, just great great mike work, you
• 42:52
  know, so that if that's one that you take away from this feud was
• 42:59
  the the great mic work between the Miss and La Knight, because I always
• 43:02
  was excited to see them face to face hurling insults at each other. And
• 43:09
  you know, just the third John Cene in there, who has a lot
• 43:12
  of history of the Miss kind of you know, kind of spiced up this
• 43:17
  this future just a little bit, just a little bit. But yeah,
• 43:22
  it could have been could have been a nice eight minute match. I agree,
• 43:25
  doyleif fifteen minutes after we just got down that twenty minute steel cage match
• 43:32
  the right guy won though La Knight, Yeah, I would argue that the
• 43:38
  mic work going into match was better than the match itself. Oh yeah,
• 43:42
  yeah, which is kind of a shame because yeah, but you did bring
• 43:47
  up a good point, uh Doyle about La Knight and brother, and as
• 43:53
  much as he may be over with the audience, at some point, there's
• 44:00
  gonna have to be some end ring work to match in order to build him
• 44:04
  up because and it's not to say that he can't work in the ring or
• 44:09
  that he's a terrible worker in the ring, because he's not yeah ring performer
• 44:14
  at all. But he's gonna have oh shit, religion. Sorry that was
• 44:23
  on me. Did that come through on y'alls? No, I didn't hear
• 44:28
  anything. Okay, I'm sorry. I got distracted because my freaking I'm sorry,
• 44:32
  my my, my bluetoo speaker cut out, so my YouTube video started
• 44:36
  playing and that threw me off for a second. Sorry about that. But
• 44:39
  anyway, like I was saying, at some point, La Night is going,
• 44:44
  we have to have something in the ring to add to his resume.
• 44:47
  He can't just be you know, Mike work and crowd pops and catch phrases.
• 44:55
  He's got to put together something in the ring. You know. The
• 44:59
  ro was nobody would put the Rock on their list of greatest end ring you
• 45:05
  know, wrestlers of all time. But he damn show put on some good
• 45:08
  matches. He had good end ring performances. He has matches that you could
• 45:13
  look back at, you know, him and Triple As, you know,
• 45:15
  tearing the house down. They did that. They had their Iron Man one
• 45:21
  hour match, Rock and Rock and Hogan. I mean, they didn't do
• 45:23
  anything in that match, and it's fucking awesome, right right Either one of
• 45:29
  them were great workers, and yet their match is considered one of the best
• 45:31
  greatest WrestleMania matches of all time, I know, in thirty nine years,
• 45:36
  Like, that's one of the one of the best WrestleMania matches. It's like,
• 45:38
  you look at the anatomy of that match. You know, it's so
• 45:44
  boring. You know, it's so slow, it's a lot of holds.
• 45:47
  You know, it has its moments as the five the five moves of Doom.
• 45:52
  But like the what's the best part of that is just the crowd interaction
• 45:58
  with that, Like, yeah, how we were you know by the end
• 46:02
  of that match, not by the end of the few, but by the
• 46:05
  end of the match, people were cheering for Hogan and booing the rock.
• 46:09
  I mean, yeah, crazy, Well that started pretty early on in the
• 46:13
  match, but that Yeah, but you're right, that's kind of what made
• 46:15
  that match work is that it wasn't It didn't rely on you know, the
• 46:20
  greatest technical wrestling or the greatest performing and all that stuff. Those two knew
• 46:23
  how to work that crowd, and they had that crowd wrapped around the palm
• 46:28
  in their hand. They you could tell those were two veterans in the ring
• 46:32
  and they saw it very early on. Oh this is a pro Hogan crowd.
• 46:37
  Okay, Rock started being a little bit more aggressive with things. Rocks
• 46:42
  started to act be a little bit more healish in its tactics. Hogan,
• 46:45
  you know, turned the table and started acting a little like a little bit
• 46:47
  more of a face than a hill. And they just both played off it
• 46:51
  so well. And then by the end of it, Yeah, when Hogan
• 46:55
  hulked up on them, that crowd was going ape shit trap trying to watch
• 47:00
  that. A lot of Roman match isn't like that. He's not doing flips
• 47:04
  and crazy, you know. And that's why I'm not saying I have faith.
• 47:10
  I mean that Ellie and I certainly couldn't figure it out. I mean,
• 47:15
  it's not even about it's not even about a physical prowess or anything like
• 47:20
  that. It's just about telling that story or what. I don't know.
• 47:24
  It's what separates the very good from the great. Yeah, yeah, you
• 47:29
  know, you gotta right, He's got to be at some point he has
• 47:32
  to tell a story in the ring. He has to have something in the
• 47:37
  ring, that match or something that people get invested in, not just getting
• 47:42
  invested in seeing him come out there and you know, rip somebody apart on
• 47:45
  the mic and give his catch phrases. He has to make people invested in
• 47:51
  him in the ring and the match, like like we saw in A when
• 47:57
  in the main event match, which we'll get too later, the crowd was
• 48:00
  invested in Seth. You know, they start to chair to try to get
• 48:06
  him back into it. That's the fans being invested in the performer. We
• 48:08
  haven't seen that yet really in a in a significant La Night match. Not
• 48:15
  saying that it won't happen, because again we're still in the really kind of
• 48:21
  the very still in the very beginnings of this ascension or this push or whatever
• 48:27
  that we're gonna call it, that La Night is receiving you know, yeah,
• 48:30
  I think we don't. We don't know what we have yet really even
• 48:34
  yeah, and we still we still got major pay per views to come,
• 48:37
  We still got Survivor Series, we still got the Rumble, we still got
• 48:40
  you know, we're long ways from WrestleMania, so we don't know what's in
• 48:45
  the future for him. But hopefully somebody is aware of that and he gets
• 48:52
  and he has that moment. You know, again, all this could turn
• 48:57
  on a dime if he goes out there at the Royal like number one and
• 49:01
  last all the way to the end or something like that. You know,
• 49:06
  but he just has to have that performance. I think we all agree he's
• 49:08
  got to have that at some point to help bring all this together. So
• 49:17
  next match after the mids in La Night was Gray Mysterio defending his SmackDown United
• 49:25
  States Championship against Austin Theory Ray one. I don't know why the fuck this
• 49:35
  match had to be on the pay per view, but it was. Man,
• 49:38
  would you rather much rather have had a gun versus ched Gable in the
• 49:43
  card and said yes, yes, yes, yes, Jesus Christ. That
• 49:50
  match they had Monday was ten times better than this little Ray Theory match.
• 49:55
  Like, I don't understand again, I already made my friend strations felt on
• 50:00
  the last episode with this entire feud, this match to do ship to change
• 50:06
  that. They brought the entire LWO out for you. Yeah, after he
• 50:12
  won to celebrate, that was it? Again? What was the point?
• 50:20
  This didn't advance no story, This didn't do this. This was a smack
• 50:24
  This was a bathroom break match. This was a first hour of SmackDown match.
• 50:30
  Yeah. This was not pl caliber, This was not p E quality.
• 50:36
  Nothing about this match warranted being on this show, other than the fact
• 50:42
  that the only thing I can think of is the fact that they decided that
• 50:45
  they were gonna save the i C title match for Raw. And I don't
• 50:49
  know, maybe I don't know if they're they're alternating pay per views with the
• 50:52
  i C title and the US title. I haven't been that like that,
• 50:58
  so maybe that is what it's like. Okay, you know they're alternating back
• 51:01
  and forth, so like the next pay per view will get an IC title
• 51:05
  match, in the match after that will get the US title match. If
• 51:08
  that's the case, then they decided, okay, it's time for the US
• 51:12
  title match to be on the show. Like, if that's the case,
• 51:15
  then damn it. Y'all should have known this was coming in advancing. Y'all
• 51:19
  could have booked up a better match than this, if y'all, if that's
• 51:22
  the y'all's planning to you know, alternate shows. But this was a total
• 51:29
  waste of fucking time, total wasted. This was the bathroom break of the
• 51:34
  show. And I still can't help but feel like, if God damn Santos
• 51:39
  Escobar was the US Champion and this should have been a U Santos Escobar defending
• 51:43
  the US title Championship against Austin Theory. We also probably would have gotten a
• 51:47
  better match. Well again, I'm saying that Ray is can't go or as
• 51:52
  a terrible performer at this point, but at least if it's Santos Escobar and
• 51:58
  it's Austin Theory, it's yeah, you know, if they're or story there,
• 52:00
  this was the cinnamon toast crunch match of the night. If it's Ray
• 52:08
  undefeated in cinnamon toast crunch matches, I think he is. Yeah, it's
• 52:14
  nothing like this fruit loop match back in ninety nine. Is insane. I
• 52:19
  don't know, Centam to Crush, I'd be pissed my sponsorship going to Yeah,
• 52:27
  I I wonder how much they got paid for that, because I know
• 52:30
  they always make out pretty well with these sponsors. I mean they always had
• 52:37
  for the rebate. Yeah, cent to Crush, I'd be asking some sort
• 52:44
  of rebate, like, y'all gotta give me some this money back for that
• 52:46
  bullshit. Oh my god. Do you guys remember when they used to have
• 52:51
  the Stacker two commercials back in the day. Oh yeah, mask our commercials
• 52:57
  with Tony Stewart and Big Show and Ship. Yeah. I always remember that
• 53:00
  being matched together, you know, I always think of every time I see
• 53:05
  Steck or two. I think of Debbie deb every time I see it.
• 53:07
  Same things Slim Gyms. You know, you think of Macho Man every time
• 53:12
  you see slim Jims. So every time I see Cinema Toast Crunch, I
• 53:15
  think of Rams Stereo and Austin Theory in this terrible fucking match, don't you
• 53:22
  ever disrespect them or those questions like that. It's just not you know,
• 53:27
  just like you know, letting us sit in milk too long? Nine minutes
• 53:30
  and forty five seconds, this mess saw his hell uh, first of all
• 53:35
  cinema toast questions, you said, and milk too long is still be got
• 53:37
  damn delicious? Well nothing delicious about this fucking match. Well, you know
• 53:43
  what the best part of cinnamon to Crunch is, of course the milk afterwards.
• 53:45
  Oh yeah, exactly exactly where was the cinnamon sugary milk after this mesh?
• 53:51
  And none raised milk in this title run that he fucking has guy Guy
• 53:57
  better retained. He has like four other people in his stable come out of
• 54:00
  help, you know, but he left them all on the back. Mad
• 54:04
  respect dude, I'm just like rewashing the match now and just seeing cinnamon toast
• 54:08
  crunch just everywhere, Like, honestly, I didn't even notice it. I
• 54:15
  think I was just that disinterested in the match. I didn't even notice that
• 54:17
  was cinnamon toast Crunch sponsored. You know what I missed. I missed when
• 54:22
  The New Day used to throw out cereal everywhere. They did that for a
• 54:25
  hot minute than as pancakes. Pancakes. Yeah, it was cheaper, I
• 54:30
  guess to do pancakes and easier to clean up. I mean boodios the cereal.
• 54:37
  They had a box of Boodios at FYE, and I remember, I
• 54:40
  don't I never wanted to. My intentions weren't to eat it. I was
• 54:46
  curious. I was intrigued, like, how well does this like thirty dollars?
• 54:52
  You know, however much it was, it is a ridiculous amount because
• 54:54
  I was like, I am not paying that for cereal that I know I'm
• 54:58
  not gonna eat, Like, you know, just sit in my display case
• 55:01
  and boodios. You know some people have it, I know, I know,
• 55:07
  stale ass box of Boodios just sitting right next today replica ww title.
• 55:12
  Yeah. At this point, oh, I was going to say that the
• 55:15
  rep up down, up, down, left, right, or whatever whatever
• 55:17
  that belt. There is any listeners out there who have a box of original
• 55:22
  Boodios, please open them, eat them, and then proceed to right into
• 55:29
  the show and let us know how love it tasted. Ain't nobody about everyone's
• 55:36
  the value of it if you open it. I opened it one time three
• 55:42
  years ago and I clipped it, so it's good. Oh God, as
• 55:46
  long as But yeah, how are they dealing with theory. I don't know,
• 55:52
  like they lost talking about change? Now, where does theory go from
• 55:55
  here? I think him and you give him a selfis back or turning baby
• 56:01
  face or something. Him and Waller would make a pretty good tag team.
• 56:07
  Yeah, I don't know. If they can't turn a baby face, nobody
• 56:08
  gets Nobody gives a shit about Austin theory enough to cheer for him. Yeah
• 56:13
  right, Yeah, him and Waller would be a fun feud or or a
• 56:16
  fun tag team. I think a tag team. They worked together in NXC.
• 56:22
  I think they may have done some work together in NXT. I would
• 56:24
  I would, Yeah, I mean they could make them a tag team and
• 56:30
  then they could just wrestle matches for no reasons because the fucking titles are over
• 56:35
  on we all with the Judgment Day spoilers. Yeah, well, I mean
• 56:42
  we're literally about to talk about that next because I think we're done with this
• 56:45
  ray theory dumpster fire unless want to keep unless I want to keep bagging on
• 56:51
  milk of a match. But no, let's let's go onto a non serial
• 56:57
  match. Yeah yeah, next match, the ww Tag Team Championships were on
• 57:06
  the line. It was Kevin Owens and Sammy Zane defending against Judgment Day members
• 57:12
  Finn Balor and Damien Priests and a Steel City street Fights which basically means anything
• 57:20
  goes, and anything went in this match as they quickly went to the weapons,
• 57:28
  pulling out with kendo sticks and chairs and tables and all kinds of shit.
• 57:35
  And I appreciated that this was the first street fight match I've seen a
• 57:40
  long time that really felt like a street fight match that didn't just feel like
• 57:45
  some glorified no DQ tag match. No, these motherfuckers. There was not
• 57:51
  one single tag in this match. It was just all four let's go,
• 57:54
  non stop from the from the jump. That's what I expect to see in
• 57:59
  a real street fight, and that's what we got, And so I appreciate
• 58:02
  them doing that and kicking it old School to a certain extent on this show,
• 58:09
  so that much I appreciated. We saw some pretty gnarly spots in this
• 58:15
  match, with Kevin Owens doing the swanton to dominic mysterio once he decided to
• 58:22
  get involved through a table, which Kevin Owens looked like he damn never missed
• 58:28
  the table saw we saw again Judgment Day tossed Kevin Owens and Sammy Sane over
• 58:38
  a barricade outside and then Kevin Owens came up bleeding, which I don't know
• 58:44
  if he bladed himself when he got tossed over or if he hit himself and
• 58:49
  actually blit bled. But then they popped back up and he's bleeding and they
• 58:52
  got on the but it was the Pittsburgh Penguins gear, the hockey gear with
• 58:58
  the gloves and all that shit made for a nice fun moment in a good
• 59:02
  pop without being It worked without being cheesy, which normally spots like that can
• 59:09
  be kind of cheesy and kind of corny, but for that it worked just
• 59:14
  worked very well right right this in this match, it worked really well.
• 59:19
  Just it fit right in with the chaos and everything else of this match.
• 59:22
  So like again, I thought the match was great and then towards the end,
• 59:28
  we even saw JD McDonough obviously make his appearance and he got dealt with,
• 59:36
  and then Ria Ripley came out and speared Kevin Owens through the barricade,
• 59:42
  and ultimately the Numbers game just got the best of Kevin Owens and Sammy's Ain.
• 59:45
  They could only fight it off for so long before the Numbers just got
• 59:51
  the best of them and Sammy's Ain was pinned. And we have, as
• 59:55
  I said about five minutes ago, new Tag Teams Champions and Finn Back and
• 1:00:00
  Damian Priest, which I'm not I'm not disappointed in at all. One I
• 1:00:07
  thought Kevin Owan's and Sammy Zane's title reign was pretty damn lackluster for one like
• 1:00:15
  they had they won the titles at wrestle Mania, it was a great moment.
• 1:00:17
  But since then they just I feel like they've been feuding damn with Judgment
• 1:00:22
  Day damn there. Since then, it almost seems like they've just been stuck
• 1:00:27
  in long perpetual feuds. I guess they did briefly feud with What Imperium for
• 1:00:32
  a brief moment, but they didn't have anything special. There was really nothing
• 1:00:37
  ever special about their tag title run. They just had them and just kind
• 1:00:42
  of you know, wrestle matches with matches with people, but they never really
• 1:00:49
  had like a signature title defense. They never had like a signature feud with
• 1:00:53
  it. Like the whole title run was just really lackluster. It's like they
• 1:01:00
  booked them up to win the titles, but nobody even really had a plan
• 1:01:04
  for them for what to do with them afterwards. And that really kind of
• 1:01:07
  showed, which is kind of sad when like two of your most over guys
• 1:01:14
  have belts and y'all can't make nothing special happen with that. But and that's
• 1:01:21
  all that falls on WW and they're booking the match yourself again. I thought
• 1:01:24
  was great love. There was a true street fight in the truest sense of
• 1:01:31
  the words and the old school and the ways of old and the booking and
• 1:01:37
  the finish of it made sense in terms of Kevin Owens and Sammy Saying fighting
• 1:01:44
  off the judgment day as best they could, but ultimately succumbing to the numbers
• 1:01:47
  game and drop into titles. I thought this was a really good match.
• 1:01:52
  I'll give it four out of five stars. Wayne, what'd you think?
• 1:01:55
  Uh, you know? For me? This was like a I've out of
• 1:02:00
  five. This is a match of the Knight for me. I I this
• 1:02:04
  is the hardcore match we should have gotten the other night on Raw when it
• 1:02:08
  was paying homage to Terry Funk. I mean, it was a god awful
• 1:02:13
  match they had on on Raw. And this is the one that really stepped
• 1:02:19
  it up. Maybe they had the whole back because this were all the good
• 1:02:22
  spots where you know, we had the candlesticks, we had the steel chairs,
• 1:02:25
  the trash cans, you know, the spot where like you said,
• 1:02:31
  with the they got the jerseys on catering, you know, you know to
• 1:02:36
  the Pittsburgh Penguins. Uh, you know, this was they just looked like
• 1:02:42
  hockey players when they came out of there. It was great. Uh you
• 1:02:46
  know the you know, yeah, right, yeah, especial. So let's
• 1:02:52
  let's you know, let's dial it back a little bit and like remember where
• 1:02:55
  this the prestige was built for these tag team titles. You know, the
• 1:03:01
  USOS had these for so long. It was in the grasp of the blood
• 1:03:06
  line, you know, and they were the first ones to you know at
• 1:03:10
  the time to merge those titles, being Randy Oran and Matt Riddle. So
• 1:03:16
  you know, having tag titles together, you know, for this long was
• 1:03:22
  pretty crazy. We haven't had that a long long time, like undisputed tag
• 1:03:28
  titles being held on for that long, and you know, and then having
• 1:03:30
  Kevin Owens and Sammy Zane finally winning them at WrestleMania take Him off the hands
• 1:03:36
  of the blood Line, which was so difficult to do. So these tag
• 1:03:40
  titles finally have value again. And you know, like you said, day
• 1:03:45
  this pretty much were as far as Kevin Owens and Sammy Zane can kind of
• 1:03:50
  go with those titles. I think they're giving them to the right two guys
• 1:03:54
  who need them right now. Definitely a boost for their stable. I mean,
• 1:04:01
  it took everybody to get these titles. Uh, these tag titles you
• 1:04:06
  know, belonged to Judgment Day as a whole because everybody was involved and everybody
• 1:04:12
  played their part so well. The fact that it shows how many people it
• 1:04:17
  took to take these tag titles off and Pens and Sammy's just shows the value
• 1:04:24
  of the tag team division right now. Uh. You know, I hope
• 1:04:27
  these guys hold on to it for a while. And I posted a picture
• 1:04:31
  of you know, of evolution when they left. You know, the pay
• 1:04:34
  per view with all the gold, and I was like, same vibes,
• 1:04:40
  you know, same vibes right there, just you know, you and all
• 1:04:44
  your your group just we took all the gold. We're going everybody's going home.
• 1:04:48
  Back at the hotel. Everybody's got gold. H you know she runs
• 1:05:00
  she's the one with the world title among them. Yeah, it's very true.
• 1:05:03
  I mean it doesn't who says that the title has to be a male's
• 1:05:08
  heavyweight title. I mean has been running shop since since day one, since
• 1:05:13
  Edge left, she's been running shop. So I mean we all know who
• 1:05:15
  the real the real bosses. You know. For the longest time, I
• 1:05:18
  always thought it was saying it was a fit ballot, and I was like,
• 1:05:21
  no, no, we know who runs this ship. Yeah. They
• 1:05:25
  tried to make it seem like that for a while and then they I guess
• 1:05:27
  they kind of realized that we are the one who really got the juice.
• 1:05:30
  That's so true, man. But yeah, this matter was great. Uh
• 1:05:34
  that you know that spot that you know you mentioned with Owen's taking that swanton,
• 1:05:39
  It's it takes me back to you know, Jeff Hardy. You know,
• 1:05:43
  anytime he had a chance, you'd be taking swantons from that. But
• 1:05:46
  you know, just to think about it, just being that, you know,
• 1:05:49
  human beings standing on top of that. Just like, I'm just gonna
• 1:05:53
  fall forward and pray to God that this guy down below catches me, like
• 1:05:57
  or I don't fall short or over you know, overfall. So I mean,
• 1:06:01
  that's that's some scary shit. H Like, I say, hey,
• 1:06:05
  damn, they're missed. Yeah, dah, dude, I was. I
• 1:06:10
  was like, oh God, please don't like, let this be the last
• 1:06:13
  thing Kevin Owens does. So yeah, this match had everything. Uh,
• 1:06:16
  great match, great, great, great match. Taxing might be one of
• 1:06:20
  my favorite taxing matches of the year. Yeah, I'm I'm kind of in
• 1:06:26
  agreement with you. I think this was the match of the night. It
• 1:06:29
  definitely was dot where you event with it. Yeah, God damn it.
• 1:06:33
  This was so much fun. Yeah, and I loved you know, every
• 1:06:38
  every time they do a street fight's always Chicago street fight or De Moines whatever
• 1:06:44
  the fuck? And what you know, everyone always jokes more what what what
• 1:06:46
  makes a De Moines street fight different than a Austin, Texas street fight different?
• 1:06:50
  You know, But that's one they actually omded the city, which was
• 1:06:55
  kind of cool. With the with the jerseys. It was maybe just a
• 1:06:59
  tad overbooked, maybe just a tad too much interference, but uh, you
• 1:07:05
  know it resulted in that fucking awesome swanton off the balcony there, uh and
• 1:07:12
  fucking up put Kevin Owen through the barricade. That was pretty policy. Uh.
• 1:07:17
  I like that, Yeah, but I mean what you know, you
• 1:07:24
  said it. You know what else were Ko and say I'm going to do
• 1:07:27
  with the belts? Uh? You know, WW just doesn't. They can
• 1:07:32
  sometimes do tag team wrestling and spurts, but like for a sustained period,
• 1:07:39
  excuse me, they never seem to be able to get it together, you
• 1:07:42
  know, because yeah, they never really did have any signature wins as champions.
• 1:07:46
  Uh. It seems like they've been fighting the fucking bloodline forever, you
• 1:07:53
  know, but how about the bloodline you know going forward? You know,
• 1:07:58
  I said there was way too much they're there to break them up yet,
• 1:08:01
  uh, and it looks like we've gone the total of the direction. You
• 1:08:06
  know. I think that, of course, the logical conclusion is, of
• 1:08:09
  course, at some point it will blow up, and boy will that be
• 1:08:12
  fun when it happens. But I don't think that's so I think that's probably
• 1:08:15
  the ways off. I think it looks like they're probably going to be the
• 1:08:19
  ones headed for war games if we're doing that again. And I'm wondering if
• 1:08:26
  if Ria would be in that as a woman. That might be kind of
• 1:08:30
  crazy. But we saw JD give Damian Priests a new briefcase, which was
• 1:08:38
  stupid. It's almost gotten the same it was just purple. Uh. They
• 1:08:43
  did a spot where they explained that they moved the contract, which I would
• 1:08:45
  have driven me fucking batshit crazy if they had the case. Doesn't matter what's
• 1:08:50
  in the case event, but I'm wondering if the briefcase. Yeah, I'm
• 1:08:56
  wondering finally, where we get new tag tiles. You know we've gotten mine,
• 1:09:00
  please, Yes, we've gotten new women's titles. We've gotten a new
• 1:09:06
  belt for Roman. Uh, maybe it's time to to you know, Dre.
• 1:09:12
  I think you said red and blue make purple, right, So maybe
• 1:09:15
  maybe it's some one set of belts in judgment is primary colors. I mean
• 1:09:20
  it only makes sense right now, all right, say, I mean,
• 1:09:25
  yeah, you're right, blue, blue and red make purple. And this
• 1:09:28
  is you know, after we sell the gift that JD mcdonnoh brought to try
• 1:09:31
  to win priest over. I think new tag team titles. You know,
• 1:09:38
  hey, I brought you guys these purple tag titles, and that's where Damian
• 1:09:43
  priests. This is like, all right, this guy's cool and it's like
• 1:09:45
  or even if or even if you think purple is cheesy, they can be
• 1:09:49
  black. No, it's black. We okay. A side note, if
• 1:09:54
  anybody's seen the latest episode of ad W, they introduced new triples tag t
• 1:10:00
  They have scissors at the end so they can scissor them. Yes, so
• 1:10:04
  I love. I think I personally love. I was okay, but the
• 1:10:13
  scissoring I was like, oh god, terrible. Uh I didn't stick the
• 1:10:16
  landing. So purple titles, yeah, that wouldn't be crazy. We've had
• 1:10:20
  a purple title before, the Cruise awaight title. Yeah. Yeah, it
• 1:10:24
  wasn't like yeah, I see the Cruise aweight title was purple before. Yeah.
• 1:10:27
  I mean again, it doesn't have to be a bright purple. It
• 1:10:29
  could be like a dark purple. Or like I said, if they don't
• 1:10:32
  think purple would work, they can be black. That could be fine.
• 1:10:36
  But Slaughter beat the Ultimate Warrior at the Royal Rumble in ninety one. I
• 1:10:43
  believe, uh it was a purple belt at the time and started Slaughter walked
• 1:10:46
  around with a purple belt for quite a while before they before they moved into
• 1:10:51
  black. So it's not unprecedented. Yes, Yeah, and honestly, y'all
• 1:11:00
  been They've been rocking these belts. They've been treating these belts as a single
• 1:11:03
  title for what going on two years now. Damn there. Yeah, so
• 1:11:10
  fucking either either make it official or split these fuckers up. Yeah, and
• 1:11:15
  they're horrible belt. I've always hated these belts. Yeah, I'm looking forward
• 1:11:20
  to something there. They're not the I don't completely hate the design, but
• 1:11:26
  they definitely had way better tag team designs in the past. Yeah. I
• 1:11:30
  like the ruthless, aggression like tag team titles, the World titles, and
• 1:11:34
  the SmackDown SmackDown just like the classic ones, which had some blue. Yeah,
• 1:11:41
  the SmackDown ones just looked like blue versions of the old world tag titles.
• 1:11:44
  And then the raw tag titles were basically just like a variant of the
• 1:11:47
  Undisputed title, right, I mean that's when they did them right. And
• 1:11:51
  then yeah, then they decided to turn them into a set of copper pennies.
• 1:11:57
  And now they're still or pennies or I mean silver nickels or whatever.
• 1:12:02
  They're just awful looking, awful awful. I mean, yeah, they're going,
• 1:12:09
  We're sitting here with all the gold and like the tag belts aren't really
• 1:12:12
  gold. Yeah that's right. Yeah, I picked up on that too.
• 1:12:15
  They weren't golf gold up like, but they're not really. But either way,
• 1:12:23
  for you know, for the sake of argument, they kind of do
• 1:12:26
  have all the quote unquote gold right now. So here's my question to you
• 1:12:30
  all, Yeah, can can the Judgment Day because they have all the gold,
• 1:12:36
  but what they have is tag titles, a North American title. I'm
• 1:12:42
  money in the break, money in the bank briefcase if you want to count
• 1:12:45
  that in. And Rea Ripley has the women's world title. So can the
• 1:12:54
  Judgment Day be seen as or do you see them as a true top tier
• 1:13:02
  dominant heel faction without the men's without having the men's world title. Yeah,
• 1:13:12
  because they got all that, but Set is still the champion absolutely. Like
• 1:13:15
  you know, the money in bank briefcase alone, you think of the value
• 1:13:20
  of that briefcase like you're fifty fifty percent guaranteed like to be the next world
• 1:13:26
  champion. You know, nobody is gunning for that briefcase every day. You
• 1:13:30
  know. It's not something that that that guy has to defend at any point
• 1:13:33
  in time. It's it's you know, it's the chance, the ability to
• 1:13:40
  cash in anytime, anywhere, you know, And we've seen them cash in
• 1:13:45
  at like terrible ways where they announced like I want to fight you three months
• 1:13:48
  from now, or it's like you know, last second and nobody's season.
• 1:13:54
  It is the heights of the century. Like so, I the money to
• 1:13:58
  make briefcase to me just has wors value to it because once that thing's gone,
• 1:14:02
  it's gone, like he used it. I mean some people too,
• 1:14:06
  Yeah, yeah, it's an accolade. People say, oh, I've been
• 1:14:11
  three time US champ and I won the Rumble and I was the money in
• 1:14:14
  the bank where it's one of those or king in the ring. It's one
• 1:14:16
  of those kind of build here if you will it is. It's very true.
• 1:14:23
  But once you're not the money in the bank briefcase winner anymore, now
• 1:14:27
  you're a world champion or you're nothing, you know what I mean, Like
• 1:14:31
  you have, but at the end of the day, if you don't cash
• 1:14:35
  it in, you're still the money in the bank. What right. I
• 1:14:40
  hate what you're saying, and I get that the world the money in the
• 1:14:43
  bank briefcase has value. Yeah yeah, but it's still ain't. But it's
• 1:14:45
  still ain't the world title. You got a chance at the world title,
• 1:14:49
  but it ain't like having the world title. And if you think about all
• 1:14:54
  dominant he dominant factions who have monopolized the title picture in the past, whether
• 1:15:00
  it was the Bloodline or d X or Four Horsemen or Evolution also that have
• 1:15:08
  dominant them they had the title, they had the world title or the ww
• 1:15:13
  title or whatever or wc W tip wants about NW or something like that.
• 1:15:17
  All dominant hill factions, they had the top title, and that's what the
• 1:15:23
  judgment they does not have yet They got everything else, but they ain't got
• 1:15:27
  the top one. So in my eyes, they are a top tier faction.
• 1:15:32
  They are a dominant faction, but I can't quite put them on the
• 1:15:36
  same level as the other ones yet because they ain't. They ain't got the
• 1:15:42
  champion. And that's no disrespect to rear Ripley, because again she is the
• 1:15:45
  women's World champion, so they have that on that level, but they ain't
• 1:15:49
  got I think have dominant Rea is because like let's say it wasn't real.
• 1:15:56
  Let's say it was Live Morgan or something like. I don't even think we're
• 1:16:00
  having this conversation, you know what I mean, Because because Live isn't booked,
• 1:16:02
  is like Live is kind of booked like Raymon Stereo, Like everything's a
• 1:16:08
  fluke, you know, whereas Ria is fucking kicking people's teeth down their throats,
• 1:16:13
  right, So I think it speaks to her then we're even discussing this.
• 1:16:15
  Yeah, I think it speaks to how awesome Riya Ripley is. Sure.
• 1:16:19
  I agree with you. The fact that Ria Ripley's holding that title elevates
• 1:16:24
  them to this point alone. Yeah, I agree with you. It speaks
• 1:16:27
  to her and her her caliber as champion. So, like I said,
• 1:16:33
  I but I still can't quite put them there yet until I agree that's one
• 1:16:40
  of them top titles, and then then they're really that. Then I can
• 1:16:44
  look at them truly in the same way that I look at an evolution or
• 1:16:47
  blood line or DX or Horseman or something like that. I think it's going
• 1:16:51
  to be when one of them splits. I don't think they're gonna have it.
• 1:16:57
  In the judgment, Day. I think it's going to be a win
• 1:17:00
  outside of the Judgment Day, but then that doesn't do anything for the Judgment
• 1:17:04
  day. Though, if like Damian Priest splits off and then what's the title?
• 1:17:08
  That didn't do anything for Judgment Day? But like, you know,
• 1:17:10
  these guys aren't going for Roman Romans in god mode and he ain't dealing with
• 1:17:16
  Judgment Day, and then you know you got the world title. I mean,
• 1:17:23
  Finn Baala just had multiple title shots. I couldn't get the job done.
• 1:17:28
  Damian Priests at right now can't get the job done. Dominic we've seen
• 1:17:33
  can't get the job done. So well, we can't say that Damian Priests
• 1:17:36
  can't get the job done because he hasn't taken a crack except really yet should
• 1:17:43
  he choose to, he could, I don't know if I see him as
• 1:17:45
  a world title holder. Yeah, I did, like kind of in the
• 1:17:50
  same way that I'll say it's much farther along than Raquel, but kind of
• 1:17:56
  in the same like. I think Roquel isn't ready for that either. We'll
• 1:18:00
  get to her in a minute. I above like, so, I'm not
• 1:18:02
  sure it's a foregone conclusion that Damian Priest is going to successfully cash in the
• 1:18:08
  briefcase. Oh, I agree. I'm not saying that he will either,
• 1:18:13
  but but I think he will have it within the within the bloodline, because
• 1:18:16
  that'll be where the you know, where the jealousy finally boils over. Mm
• 1:18:21
  because like I did, like how they go, oh, let's get rid
• 1:18:25
  of that brief that old briefcase. It hasn't brought us much luck because think
• 1:18:29
  about it this way. We think about how we look at the Judgment Day
• 1:18:32
  now with their belts that they currently hold. Now, imagine if it was
• 1:18:40
  real Ripley Women's World champion, Finn Balor and Dominic Mysterio as a tag team
• 1:18:46
  champions, and Damian Priest as World heavyweight champion, we would immediately look at
• 1:18:55
  them in the same light that we look at Judgment Day or I mean I
• 1:19:00
  as Evolution or four Horsemen or something like that. Like that's what it means
• 1:19:03
  when you to have the top title, it changes, It immediately puts you
• 1:19:11
  on that level, on that upper tier level. And even with all the
• 1:19:15
  belts that they have, right and even with all the belts that they have
• 1:19:19
  now, I've never seen a h you know, for all intensive purposes,
• 1:19:26
  a woman leading a faction of men either. You know, this is kind
• 1:19:30
  of uncharted terrace for that, there's not really anything comparative, right, And
• 1:19:34
  again I'm not bringing all this up to try to diminish Rehea Ripley. I'm
• 1:19:38
  not staying that. But the top title is still always is is just the
• 1:19:45
  men's title, the world title of the w W title. That is the
• 1:19:49
  top title, regardless of opinion I think, right, So I'm just saying,
• 1:19:56
  like that title, you know the top faction, but the top person
• 1:20:03
  isn't within your faction. Like again, they have everything but the top title.
• 1:20:11
  They got everything else, but the champ is still Seth Rollins. And
• 1:20:15
  again, if we saw this, we see Damian Priest's cash in on Seth
• 1:20:21
  at some point and take that title, and then they really have that that
• 1:20:27
  is going to elevate them. Like there is still a higher level for them
• 1:20:31
  for the Judgment Days of Reach, and the higher level is capturing the world
• 1:20:35
  title from Seth Rollins. So again, like I said, I'm not not
• 1:20:42
  trying to shoot on Rio Ripley as champ because again the fact that they are
• 1:20:46
  even as close as they are to the for the Horseman's and evolutions and factions
• 1:20:55
  of that caliber. The fact that they are even that close to them with
• 1:20:58
  Ria Ripley as the top title holder in the faction speaks to Ria Ripley and
• 1:21:02
  all that she has done as Women Champion, even if even if to a
• 1:21:08
  certain extent, I believe her title reign has been a bit lacking so far,
• 1:21:12
  and I think it's just now finally starting to really gain some steam.
• 1:21:16
  But I think they still they're they haven't quite They're not quite a ten yet,
• 1:21:25
  you know. I think you know with this title win that they're they're
• 1:21:28
  like an eight and a half. They're at the nine. They still need
• 1:21:30
  that last check. Yeah, they're also not done yet. They're still ascending,
• 1:21:34
  right, Yeah, I agree, who knows where they're gonna end up?
• 1:21:39
  I agree, yes, they they have not peaked yet, and truth
• 1:21:42
  be told, especially with the whole j D Big Dunna factor, you know,
• 1:21:45
  JD mcdonnah, if they if he does finally get accepted into the Judgment
• 1:21:49
  day, he could be he could take Damian spot as the tag with Finn
• 1:21:55
  Balor, and I think Finn JD mcdunn and Finn Balor could probably be a
• 1:21:58
  dope ass tag team would free up Damian priests to capture the world title and
• 1:22:04
  then then they really cooking, But then they really would have everything. And
• 1:22:13
  I don't know if we've seen a five team, a five member faction where
• 1:22:18
  all five had gold. I can't think of one of those off the top
• 1:22:24
  of my head. Do you guys think this match should have been the main
• 1:22:29
  event the way it went off there? This would have been a good the
• 1:22:34
  street fight. Yeah, yeah, I think I think we're saying that in
• 1:22:39
  retrospect just because I think that's a bit of Monday morning quarterbacking, just because
• 1:22:44
  the match was that good. I still believe the world I'm maybe I'm just
• 1:22:48
  old school in that fashion, but I still kind of believe world title matches
• 1:22:53
  should almost always made event pay per views unless you just have some sort of
• 1:22:58
  premier match that seeds whatever your world title match could possibly be. Perfect example
• 1:23:03
  of that would have been WrestleMania eighteen Rock Hogan. That absolutely should have been
• 1:23:09
  the fucking main event of that show and not fucking Triple h and Chris Jericho.
• 1:23:13
  But outside of situations like that, I think world titles should always be
• 1:23:16
  the main event. But like, yeah, I mean there are certainly exceptions,
• 1:23:21
  uh you know, like, was it Summer Slam ninety two at Wembley
• 1:23:26
  when the main Brenton Bulldog. I think for the ic title sense, but
• 1:23:31
  by and large, I think ninety percent of the time, uh uh what
• 1:23:39
  was I talking about? Uh? I had the world title should be the
• 1:23:42
  main I think, yeah, that should be, that should be what everybody's
• 1:23:45
  going for. We had a WrestleMania Night one that the tag team was the
• 1:23:49
  main event, and then the next night. Yeah, but that was Night
• 1:23:56
  one and at that time we didn't have another we didn't have another world title.
• 1:24:01
  All we had was the undisputed So and it's a reason why it made
• 1:24:05
  Event at Night too, because that is kind of still the ultimate main event
• 1:24:10
  of WrestleMania, even if it is split into two nights. I mean,
• 1:24:14
  you could you could argue Charlotte and Ray maybe should have made event a Night
• 1:24:17
  one. Sure, sure, bar yeah they if it wasn't for the fact
• 1:24:25
  that the bloodline storyline was just so dominant at that time, works was perfect,
• 1:24:31
  right, and they gave fans that happy you know, that happy moment,
• 1:24:35
  that moment to cheer for night So all right, that doesn't I think
• 1:24:45
  that's We're done with the street fight match. So following that we got the
• 1:24:50
  Rayson Waller effect, Rayson Waller and his special guests, Cody Rose coming out
• 1:24:58
  from Raw, and I like the fact that code that they immediately subverted expectations
• 1:25:05
  where Cody just came out and said, oh you talk a little bit,
• 1:25:09
  smacked me. I talk smacked back to you. I met you with the
• 1:25:13
  Crossroads. Everybody goes home happy. Yeah, No, that's not what's happening
• 1:25:15
  here. They nipped that in the budt immediately, so to immediately put you
• 1:25:20
  in a space of unknowing world. Okay, if that's not gonna happen,
• 1:25:24
  what the hell is the point of this whole segment? Well, it turns
• 1:25:28
  out the point of this whole segment was Cody Roads announcing that Raw has a
• 1:25:32
  new competitor and that person is named Main Event Jays. Okay, well,
• 1:25:43
  SmackDown is intriguing, wouldn't you say? Matter of fact, I saw something
• 1:25:49
  that happened on SmackDown just a few weeks ago, a wrong that I felt
• 1:25:55
  needed to be righted. So ever, political stroke, I have, whatever
• 1:26:02
  chips I had, I cashed them in and I hope this is not a
• 1:26:08
  decision that I regret. I sorely hope so. But ladies and gentlemen,
• 1:26:14
  please welcome your newest member of the Monday Night Raw Roster Made Events, Jay
• 1:26:21
  Uso. Wow, Black Luster a elsick. That's right, Jay Usso has
• 1:27:11
  come back. After quitting the Bloodline and quitting SmackDown and quitting WWE and saying
• 1:27:17
  deuces ouss. He came back three weeks later. Yeah, how great is
• 1:27:25
  this new theme song? Oh God? That cracked me up? Yeah,
• 1:27:30
  I mean basically the USO steam except you know, it's just me use instead
• 1:27:33
  of just yep, just slightly remixed it and just him on the mic as
• 1:27:40
  opposed to I guess him and Jimmy what it was before. Yeah, I
• 1:27:43
  dig it. Crowd popped like hell for it. It was slightly slightly different
• 1:27:49
  a little bit. Yeah, Jimmy got the Yeah, Jimmy's team is completely
• 1:27:55
  different and his theme hasn't grown on me yet. Me it's it's just kind
• 1:28:00
  of it so far, at least far as Jimmy's. But Jay's is real
• 1:28:04
  hyped though, Like, it has a lot of energy to it, perfect
• 1:28:09
  for his his current like attitude right now. You know, it was brilliant
• 1:28:15
  putting him you know, just you know, simply home which is I quit,
• 1:28:20
  but not really. I just quit, you know, for a couple
• 1:28:25
  of weeks, and I I you know, Cody ros pulled some strings because
• 1:28:29
  you know, Cody Roes has some pull backstage, you know, getting some
• 1:28:34
  guys. There's jobs back, right. But yeah, I think it's great.
• 1:28:41
  You know, this is where we're gonna separate the USOS. Uh,
• 1:28:45
  you know, we see doesn't look like Jimmy's going anywhere. Looks like Jay's
• 1:28:51
  gonna be out on his own doing his own thing. I think it's gonna
• 1:28:55
  be great for his character. Yeah, yeah, I agree. I thought
• 1:28:59
  this was I think this is actually a very smart move on ww's part to
• 1:29:02
  split them up on two separate brands, because obviously we all kind of know
• 1:29:08
  that eventually these two are going to have to clash. It seems likely that
• 1:29:13
  that's probably gonna happen at WrestleMania next year. So splitting them up saves you
• 1:29:19
  the trouble of having to figure out how to keep these two apart from now
• 1:29:24
  to WrestleMania after what happened. Well easy, They're on different brands now,
• 1:29:28
  so done, And it also gives both of them time to build themselves up
• 1:29:33
  as single competitors, So that way when the match, when they do eventually
• 1:29:40
  come back together and have their inevitable match, they're not just it's not just
• 1:29:46
  you know, brothers beefing, or it's not just a tag team having broken
• 1:29:50
  up and now they've got a feud. Hopefully it should be too well established
• 1:29:58
  individuals, single competitors, with a whole lot of you know, unfinished business
• 1:30:04
  and a whole lot of things unsaid, and it should hopefully make for a
• 1:30:09
  very epic feud when they finally do come back together to have their match.
• 1:30:15
  I expect I expect Jay On Raw to be treated like a top tier competitor.
• 1:30:23
  I expect him to exist probably on the same level as Cody Ko,
• 1:30:29
  Sammy and uh Seth. Yeah, I expect him to be that that tier
• 1:30:34
  of a singles competitor, especially if they're since they're literally putting main event Jay
• 1:30:39
  usso and that's how they're introducing him. Well, he better Dan well being
• 1:30:43
  some main events. Yeah, and I expect, if anything, Jimmy's got
• 1:30:47
  more work to build up to be built up than Jay does. Yeah.
• 1:30:51
  So, and I think Jimmy's probably gonna be a bit of a slower burn
• 1:30:56
  because obviously he still has to He does still have the blood line stuff to
• 1:31:00
  deal with, So he's got a at least, you know, deal with
• 1:31:04
  Solo and Paul and Roman whatever Roman decides to pop back up. So Jimmy's
• 1:31:12
  doll still have all that to contend with. Just run away to n XT.
• 1:31:17
  You just doing for him and it's something that no, he's he's something
• 1:31:25
  that he has to fight through and fighting through all that could it could be
• 1:31:30
  the thing that builds him up. You know, eventually, maybe we do
• 1:31:32
  get Jimmy versus Roman one on one. I mean we got Jay and Roman
• 1:31:39
  went on one Twice's Jimmy starting to face Roman and let let him have that
• 1:31:45
  match and let him get that one on one. That that's the stuff that
• 1:31:47
  he needs to build himself up to. Kind of hard to say, but
• 1:31:51
  to build himself up to Jay's level. And Jay has the task of staying
• 1:31:59
  at the level that he's and not falling off in this time because that would
• 1:32:03
  be it would be terrible if if Jay fell off on RAW and that would
• 1:32:09
  just throw a whole monkey wrenching to ww's assumed plans for them to a WrestleMania
• 1:32:15
  forty But uh no, where are you at on this what expectations do you
• 1:32:21
  have for Jay on raw extensionally Jimmy on SmackDown. Let me let me pose
• 1:32:28
  a question to you. Okay, Jay be the one that finally beats Gunter.
• 1:32:36
  Ah No not. You know what, given the caliber, given what
• 1:32:45
  the i C title has been raised up to, I'm not entirely opposed to
• 1:32:48
  that. I'm not entirely opposed to him, because we want the i C
• 1:32:56
  Champion. Yeah, I mean, we've racked our brains. Who couldn't be,
• 1:32:58
  who couldn't be? In a kind it doesn't look like anybody on the
• 1:33:01
  on the raw roster, but all of a sudden we got a white made
• 1:33:05
  baby face and we really really want to elevate even higher, and that might
• 1:33:13
  be a really good spot to do it. That would not be a bad
• 1:33:15
  idea, because I mean, Seth seems to be holding on the title for
• 1:33:19
  a good for at least a little while longer, and whoever he drops it
• 1:33:23
  too is probably going to be a heel. So that rules out Jay kinda
• 1:33:28
  and Gunther's kind of run through practically everybody. And I don't think having Ko
• 1:33:34
  or Sammy to be Gunther for the title. I don't think that does.
• 1:33:41
  I mean it might do favorite for it might do Sammy something good because but
• 1:33:43
  I almost feel like Sammy, even though he's not a world champion, Yeah,
• 1:33:47
  he's almost at that level of world champion where it's like major fuse.
• 1:33:53
  He should he's in as a singles competitor, should damn there be world title
• 1:33:56
  Calibu because he had right because he has one had a world title shot at
• 1:34:01
  Roman earlier this year. And the way they book him as strongly as they
• 1:34:06
  booked it's almost surprising to me sometimes how strongly they booked Sammy's ain't because they
• 1:34:13
  book him like he is a world champion at times in terms of how much
• 1:34:16
  he fights people off and how much he wins over people Daniel Bryan's career,
• 1:34:21
  That's what it reminds me of, Like think about what it took just for
• 1:34:27
  them to for them to pin him in the street fight at Payback Yea,
• 1:34:31
  like he was in like Kevin Owens was laid out for a minute, and
• 1:34:34
  Sammy was in that ring fighting for his life and fighting these motherfucker's off like
• 1:34:41
  a sub bitch. Like they book him strong as shit, So I mean,
• 1:34:46
  he could in theory be it, But I don't think they're ready to
• 1:34:50
  split Kevin Owens and Sammy up yet as a pairing, unless one of them
• 1:34:56
  is going to take a break to heal from injury. But Jesus guest is
• 1:35:01
  anybody Yeah, I think he's a prime candidate to be the one to dethrone
• 1:35:04
  Guncer. Now, the next question I have for you, somebody is going
• 1:35:10
  to small back down and return. And I think in the world if it's
• 1:35:14
  Cody Roose, why else would he even be involved in this Jay announcement at
• 1:35:19
  all? Uh? But it gets him back to Roman without him having to
• 1:35:24
  win the rumble again. And we've all kind of wondered. I think we've
• 1:35:27
  all kind of expected that that's what's gonna happen, and the question has been,
• 1:35:30
  well, how the hell are they going to do that? Uh,
• 1:35:33
  let's make all the sense in the world to me personally, Oh yeah,
• 1:35:39
  I'm gonna I'm in total agreement with you right on that there. That's my
• 1:35:43
  exact thoughts. Not I don't know if there was nesly be a ploy,
• 1:35:48
  but it would kind of be an ironic, a real ironic twist where it's
• 1:35:56
  like he did all this work to get supposedly did all worked to get Jay
• 1:36:00
  onto Raw and it ends up costing him his own spot on Raw. How
• 1:36:06
  are they going to play? He's like, oh I got rid of Jay,
• 1:36:11
  you know, I put him on Raw, just sucking it closer to
• 1:36:14
  Roman Reins, right, so now he's one last person that assigned. Yeah,
• 1:36:21
  I would, Yeah, I think I I don't know if I like
• 1:36:25
  it if it's a conscious choice by Cody, like Cody did it to get
• 1:36:30
  himself over there. I think I like it better if it's if it catches
• 1:36:36
  Cody by surprise, like Okay, somebody's gonna have to go to Raw,
• 1:36:39
  and then Cody finds out it's you, and it's like, you know it,
• 1:36:43
  like he wasn't the you know, the the active he didn't play an
• 1:36:46
  active role in himself getting put on SmackDown, yea, Rather than it's just
• 1:36:51
  a consequence of his decisions or the consequence of his efforts, almost like karma
• 1:36:58
  getting him for it, Like all right, you did this thing, but
• 1:37:01
  you know your your choices have cost. There's a cost to what your to
• 1:37:06
  your actions. Rather than I'm gonna do this so that I can get this
• 1:37:13
  and you know, like he's manipulating it himself. I'd rather be a victim
• 1:37:18
  of his choices than be in total and complete control of everything. Yeah,
• 1:37:28
  it'll be interesting to see how they I mean, maybe that won't be what
• 1:37:30
  happens at all, but if that is what happens, it'll be interesting to
• 1:37:33
  see how they play it. If they play it as he is orchestrating things
• 1:37:38
  behind the scene, or it's just domblock and he's like, oh, I
• 1:37:43
  don't want to be wrong. One quick note about Grayson Waller, since this
• 1:37:49
  was this all started as the Grayson Lawler effect, I kind of feel like
• 1:37:55
  he might have La Knight syndrome a little bit. Where like his mic and
• 1:37:59
  character work, which is fucking great, by the way, or so much
• 1:38:01
  better than his in ring work. Uh, they better, he better hope
• 1:38:05
  to catch up sooner rather than later. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
• 1:38:13
  I don't really have much of an opinion on his ind ring work because
• 1:38:15
  I just haven't seen enough of it to say whether he sucks or whether head.
• 1:38:19
  I don't think he sucks. I don't think it sucks, but I'm
• 1:38:23
  not sure that either of them are great. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:38:27
  I haven't seen enough of Grayson Waller to really form a strong opinion about his
• 1:38:30
  ring work, however, his look is terrible. Yea, yeah, that's
• 1:38:40
  that's where he really it does not work for me. It's his in ring
• 1:38:44
  presentation as far as coming out into basketball stores and doing like the like fake
• 1:38:50
  dribbling between the leg cross or like remember how they made him dress like his
• 1:39:00
  streets character was pretty terrible. I'm glad like he uh went back to wearing
• 1:39:06
  you know what he wears now, but no, no he wears now is
• 1:39:12
  dogshit terrible, Like you're not a baller. Why are you? Why are
• 1:39:16
  you walking out here like you're a baller? Like no, like, no,
• 1:39:23
  none of his works at all. It looks completely stupid and for again
• 1:39:30
  and all the completely countered to this, you know guy with the who's gold
• 1:39:35
  on the mic and charismatic as hell when he's doing the Grayson Waller effect and
• 1:39:40
  has the dope look and then he goes to wrestle and it's like yeah,
• 1:39:43
  dude, and the fuck basketball shorts bro Yea through a crossover, It's like,
• 1:39:47
  that's it. It looks like a white boy who wants to be cool,
• 1:39:53
  who's not cool? That's what. Like, I don't know how how
• 1:39:58
  else to describe it. It just looks cheesy and dumb as shit. It
• 1:40:01
  looks fake, like him as his character on Grayson wall doing the Grayson Waller
• 1:40:08
  effect looks real and authentic. That looks like an extension of him, not
• 1:40:12
  saying he's an actual asshole in real life, but it looks like it's he's
• 1:40:15
  taking elements of himself and you know, and wrapping that up, which is
• 1:40:19
  what a lot of people say. Is like what a lot of wrestlers you
• 1:40:21
  hear them say, that's what that's when they find their character best, when
• 1:40:25
  they just take who they are and just turn the notch up. Him on
• 1:40:29
  Grayson Waller effect. That's what I get. I get the vibe that that's
• 1:40:32
  real and authentic. Him coming out as a wrestler feels like a poser.
• 1:40:38
  It feels like, yeah, it feels fake. It feels poser as fuck.
• 1:40:44
  And that's I think, and it's an extreme disconnect between that and the
• 1:40:48
  person we see on Grayson Waller effect. He really needs to change up his
• 1:40:53
  in ring presentation, really does. Okay, But I'm saying, all right,
• 1:41:03
  so moving on from that, So what said R and R Oh,
• 1:41:12
  Yeah, yeah exactly. So moving on from that, we had the penultimate
• 1:41:18
  match of Ria Ripley defending her Women's World Championship against Raquel Rodriguez and a basic
• 1:41:31
  one on one match that saw Rio Ripley emerged victorious after some brief interference again
• 1:41:39
  from Dominic Mysterio, causing Raquel to be distracted, allowing Rio Ripley to hit
• 1:41:44
  the rip tide for the one two three. This match, it wasn't a
• 1:41:51
  great match. It also was not a bad match either, and it also
• 1:41:59
  put it is better than just okay. And to me, this match made
• 1:42:05
  sense. And let me try to explain that to an extent, Ria Ripley
• 1:42:14
  is the established one. She's the champion, she's the dominant force. Raquel
• 1:42:18
  is the up and comer. She's the baby face. She's up and comer.
• 1:42:24
  Obviously, she's not completely new and green, She's not a rookie or
• 1:42:27
  by any means, but as a singles competitor, she is, i think,
• 1:42:31
  still being viewed at as new ish kind of that, still still defining
• 1:42:41
  herself with the ww universe and with the crowd, but has managed to get
• 1:42:45
  a very early typed at the champ. So the fact that she was competitive
• 1:42:55
  and looked strong against the champ makes her look good, but her inexperience,
• 1:43:01
  and the fact that she allowed a distraction to cause her the match still shows
• 1:43:08
  that she's not ready yet. So from a storytelling standpoint, the match made
• 1:43:13
  sense to me, and that's what I appreciated about the match. Honestly,
• 1:43:16
  the comparison I could most draw it to. And I'm not saying that Raquel
• 1:43:21
  Rodriguez is this person, but to me, it kind of gave me comparisons
• 1:43:28
  of Rick Flair versus Sting at the very first clash of the Champions and that
• 1:43:35
  match, Flair was the champ obviously, the veteran Sting was the new hotness,
• 1:43:42
  the up and comer, and he wound up getting this surprise title shot,
• 1:43:45
  which history buffs. No, actually was never supposed to be staying in
• 1:43:48
  the first place, and I think it was actually supposed to be if I'm
• 1:43:50
  correct, Lex Luger, who was supposed to have gotten that title shot,
• 1:43:54
  but Lex Luger was injured and therefore it wound up going to Sting. I
• 1:44:00
  said, you are correct, Sat, yeah, yeah, So but to
• 1:44:05
  me, this match kind of gave me that I kind of compare it to
• 1:44:10
  that, you know, the person who's the new, the up and comer.
• 1:44:14
  They get an early title shot. They look good in the match,
• 1:44:17
  but obviously they're not ready, so they end up losing and they're not they're
• 1:44:24
  in experience or they're you know, they proved themselves not to be ready for
• 1:44:30
  that, and that, excuse me, is what cost them the match.
• 1:44:34
  But like I said, other than that, I thought they both looked good.
• 1:44:36
  Actually, racl Rodriguez looked really good in this match. And as far
• 1:44:42
  as her ring performance, this is the first time I've seen her really perform
• 1:44:45
  in the ring in a match where I can say I would like really watching
• 1:44:49
  her performance, and she looked good, and I was genuinely impressed with her
• 1:44:55
  performance, and she showed herself to me as a viable singles competitor and not
• 1:45:00
  just not just the powerhouse person who just comes in there and does power moves
• 1:45:05
  and all stuff. Like. She showed to me that she can actually conduct,
• 1:45:11
  she can actually go in a full match and be an equal contributor in
• 1:45:16
  the match and not being carried by the other person or not just again coming
• 1:45:20
  in there, hit my signature power moves and all right, I'm done.
• 1:45:25
  So I saw growth from her in this match. She looked good, but
• 1:45:28
  obviously she's not quite there yet. So again I thought this was a good
• 1:45:33
  match for what it was and for what it was supposed to be. It
• 1:45:38
  did this job, and it did his job. Well, Wayne, what
• 1:45:41
  do you think you know? Uh, coming off of that tag team title
• 1:45:45
  match, you know that that energy, you know, and she still has
• 1:45:49
  to come out here and perform. You know, she was involved in that
• 1:45:54
  tag team match putting I think was it Kevin Owens through a better hit.
• 1:46:00
  Uh. So she's coming out with that that same high, that same energy,
• 1:46:05
  you know, just riding off of that. So it's like a lot
• 1:46:08
  of pressures on you because it's like, you know, we have all the
• 1:46:13
  gold, but that was like, you know, twenty minutes ago, we
• 1:46:16
  can also leave here with not all the gold. So it's it's like,
• 1:46:20
  oh shit, yeah, that's right. So uh, you know, I
• 1:46:26
  wasn't surprised by the outcome. It was, you know, seventeen minutes of
• 1:46:30
  a match. Wolf. I don't think I've ever seen Riquel wrestled this long.
• 1:46:35
  Uh. Yes, it's been a while since I've seen Riquel wrestling a
• 1:46:41
  singles match. She's still very green. Reminds me of a Rhea when she
• 1:46:46
  kind of started out on the main roster. You know, she's you know,
• 1:46:51
  she was going against Charlotte. You know, she got very close,
• 1:46:56
  but she didn't she didn't get it. Then she was able to come back
• 1:47:00
  years later and finished the job. So, you know, Frias on fire.
• 1:47:03
  You know. Currently, Uh, it's gonna take a lot more to
• 1:47:09
  take her down, you know, besides just I just don't know who it's
• 1:47:14
  going to be. You know, when I look at the women's roster,
• 1:47:16
  I have no idea who's gonna be the one to take her redown anytime soon.
• 1:47:20
  Probably it's gonna be a couple months from now, somebody who's not even
• 1:47:24
  on the roster. But yeah, you know, Rickel just flying too close
• 1:47:30
  to the sun like Chris, and you know she she burned. But uh,
• 1:47:36
  you know I pretty much expected Rhea to win the you know, after
• 1:47:44
  that tag team match, I was like, there's no way they're gonna have
• 1:47:46
  her then lose like right, So you know, nice buffer between uh,
• 1:47:56
  you know, the tag team and the world title match. So I give
• 1:48:00
  it a you know, three three stars kind of five doel what'd you think
• 1:48:08
  of his match? Yeah, you know, I was hoping for a lot
• 1:48:11
  more from it. Ray and Raquel are real good friends in real life apparently,
• 1:48:17
  and considering this is Raquel's biggest match of her career basically, thus far,
• 1:48:26
  I thought that they would have a little better outing than they ended up
• 1:48:29
  having. U Raquel wasn't bad. I'm not saying that the match wasn't bad,
• 1:48:34
  but to me, it was pretty clear Raquel has a long way to
• 1:48:38
  go and she wasn't quite ready for this kind of spot just yet, and
• 1:48:42
  the crowd wasn't super into her either. Yeah, Wayne, what'd you say?
• 1:48:47
  Seventeen minutes? I thought, again, way too long. I think
• 1:48:54
  I'm gonna go completely opposite of what Dray said. I would have made this
• 1:48:58
  like a ten minute hoss fight. You know. This would have been two
• 1:49:01
  big, meaty women slapping meat. You know. I think that would have
• 1:49:05
  been a much better style for these two. Uh. And I you know,
• 1:49:11
  I give it a three also, but I was expecting a four,
• 1:49:16
  So it disappointed for me. It wasn't bad. I'm not saying that.
• 1:49:19
  You know, it was very good, but it never sniffed greatness, right,
• 1:49:26
  yeah, I'm saying. And I get I get your points. I
• 1:49:30
  think, just for me, given that the the goal of this match was
• 1:49:38
  not for resal, I mean to lose a drop the title to Raquel.
• 1:49:42
  The goal of this match to me was to make Raquel look good. And
• 1:49:50
  I think if the match is too short, if it was like a ten
• 1:49:54
  minute match or something like that and just a you know, just a power
• 1:49:58
  fest, I don't know if that works for Raquel. I don't know if
• 1:50:02
  that makes her look stronger. Just again, it's just more of the same.
• 1:50:06
  She hits her power set and then then has nothing else to go off
• 1:50:11
  of them. I think by having this match be longer again, y'all are
• 1:50:16
  absolutely right. She did still look green at times, but I've seen the
• 1:50:21
  improvement in her. She didn't look nowhere. Yeah, she didn't look nowhere
• 1:50:27
  near as green in this match as I've seen in other matches in the from
• 1:50:31
  her in the past. Even down on her by any means. As much
• 1:50:35
  as I think it's hilarious when Chelsea Green calls her a sass squashi, No,
• 1:50:43
  I mean, I like rack Cal, I just she needs to get
• 1:50:46
  more to her character than just look at my back. What's she going to
• 1:50:49
  do with Saudi Arabia By the way, she just without being able to flex
• 1:50:56
  the back just probably walk out if she has a mat. I just yeah,
• 1:51:01
  she's just I don't think she's there yet. I agree, I think
• 1:51:04
  she can certainly get there, right And I agree, I agree with all
• 1:51:09
  that she's she's not there yet. She can definitely get there, and I
• 1:51:12
  think this match did the job of showcasing that while also still elevating her and
• 1:51:18
  showing that she is a strong singles competitor. You know, because the fact
• 1:51:25
  that it she did go for a longer period of time, which means that
• 1:51:29
  she couldn't just rely on her power set and be done with it. You
• 1:51:32
  know that that helps establish her as a viable singles competitor and not just the
• 1:51:41
  other strong girl on the roster. You know, she can she can come
• 1:51:46
  off of this match and being its and stand on her own now and singles
• 1:51:54
  feuds with other people and look strong on her own. That's what this match
• 1:52:00
  did for her. Whereas before she was just kind of again the power girl,
• 1:52:06
  whereas now she is she's now an individual that you see, you see
• 1:52:12
  Raquel Rodriguez, this up and comer again. I agree with y'all, she
• 1:52:16
  does still need work to do on defining her character and being more than just
• 1:52:21
  the person who comes out and smiles. I think that's the next step that
• 1:52:27
  I want to see her take is putting a putting some more, rounding out
• 1:52:32
  her character presentation a little bit more. We're starting to see it that a
• 1:52:35
  little bit where she cuts her promos and she starts speaking Spanish and her promos
• 1:52:40
  a little bit, so she's she's getting there. The growth is there.
• 1:52:45
  It's just like I said, this is the beginning. If this is this
• 1:52:50
  is the start of it, and that's how I see it. Yeah,
• 1:52:57
  you know, she would benefit greatly from a secondary title. Yep, we're
• 1:53:04
  not doing that again. You have litigated the funk out of that, I
• 1:53:08
  think, yep, because because if it existed, she would be a prime
• 1:53:12
  candidate for it coming out of this that that would be the next step to
• 1:53:15
  build her up. Like, Okay, you challenge for the world title,
• 1:53:19
  not quite there yet. Cool, You have another feud with maybe somebody else,
• 1:53:26
  but that we see as maybe like like a pseudo number one contenders feud,
• 1:53:30
  and you emerge Victoria's in that, and then you get the challenge for
• 1:53:32
  that mid car title and become that new mid car champ. But you know,
• 1:53:38
  nah, we need world titles and ship from people who get injured and
• 1:53:44
  sick and can't bressel and have cursed belts and shit, I suppose to having
• 1:53:50
  mid car titles that y'all could free to be booking things with. You know,
• 1:53:54
  what the fuck do I do? I just watched TV and Shita anyway,
• 1:54:00
  moving on to the main event of Payback, we had seth freaking Rawlins
• 1:54:06
  defending the World Heavyweight Championship against Shinskate Nakamura. Now I have to confess something,
• 1:54:15
  and that would be that watching this match Saturday night, I fell asleep
• 1:54:21
  in the middle of it because I was not because the match was bad,
• 1:54:26
  because I was just tired as fuck. And yeah, and we've we've touched
• 1:54:31
  on it before that. Yeah, this pay per view went past three hours,
• 1:54:34
  and I was shocked that it went that long because I was like,
• 1:54:40
  these matches have flowed by, time to flow by. And I looked up
• 1:54:43
  at the clock and it was like eleven. I was like, yeah,
• 1:54:45
  how, I mean, why fuck is this card need to be three fifteen
• 1:54:50
  three hours fifteen minutes? Right? Like? What the fuck? Give me
• 1:54:55
  a nice tight two forty five we're going into this, I thought, were
• 1:54:59
  like, we're about to get a good cleaning through the hours this ship in
• 1:55:00
  the end at a lam on the dot. I know it's it's I missed
• 1:55:05
  those days when we had a shorter light. It's it's like six matches on
• 1:55:11
  the car, Like, why did this match out of all matches the main
• 1:55:15
  event got twenty six minutes on the car. I'm not see. I don't
• 1:55:19
  have a problem with this match having been as long as it was. Okay,
• 1:55:23
  it's the other ship that needed to be trimmed. This was a world
• 1:55:27
  title match. This deserved the longest amount of time, especially with these two
• 1:55:30
  workers. Because I went back and watched the match with the part that from
• 1:55:34
  when I fell asleep on through the end the next day, and it was
• 1:55:39
  this is a good match. This was a good world title match. Shinska
• 1:55:44
  Knackamor played his role great as being the heel and really leaning in on that
• 1:55:50
  storyline of sets Back being injured where Shinsk was constantly attacking it. Every movie
• 1:55:58
  hit was focused on the back every time Seth made even the slightest mistakes since
• 1:56:02
  game made him pay for it. Seth looked battered and bruised and really only
• 1:56:09
  won the match because he managed to catch since slipping for a moment because other
• 1:56:15
  than that. Shins get knock him More pretty much dominated most of the match,
• 1:56:18
  but he slipped up that at one time and which enabled Seth Rollins to
• 1:56:23
  hit the stomp and get the win. It was a very classic baby Face
• 1:56:28
  Champ facing the dangerous, calculating heel who's gonna target your weakness and take advantage
• 1:56:35
  of your injury, and the baby Face still wins. I don't know what
• 1:56:41
  it was about this pay per view. This pay per view really gave me
• 1:56:44
  old school vibes. It almost felt like I was watching an old school W
• 1:56:47
  c W pay per view with a lot of this stuff. And I mean
• 1:56:51
  that in the most complimentary ways. There was this match, This whole pay
• 1:56:56
  per view very much had old school storytelling. Was it through it? Throughout
• 1:57:02
  the entire show? Was it the cinnamon toast crunch match? That that way,
• 1:57:10
  o Sinamon toast crunch had nothing to do with it. I was eating
• 1:57:13
  Papa John's while watching the paper view me too, oh man, Papa John's.
• 1:57:18
  I don't know what, Like I said, I good, I was
• 1:57:23
  gon saying I wouldn't feed my dog Papa John's. Gosh, sure we got
• 1:57:28
  piece. It's gonna start a real fucking fight. Let start a real fight
• 1:57:31
  now. Nope, nope, nope. I wanted that garlic. I wanted
• 1:57:35
  the garlic stuff cross, So I got the garlic stuff crossin't it? It
• 1:57:40
  was delicious? It was good, but match itself it was also good.
• 1:57:47
  That's delicious but good. We all agree Little Caesars is the worst. And
• 1:57:55
  Little Caesars to get you buying a pinch, fucking say, I mean,
• 1:57:59
  I'll get you buying a pinch as long as it's fresh. Cents for like
• 1:58:03
  a large pizza. Yeah, I say, as long as it's fresh now
• 1:58:08
  little Caesar's next day, No, that should have killed you. But as
• 1:58:12
  long as it's hot and fresh, it'll get you buy yeah. Like,
• 1:58:18
  but back to the match, Like I said, the match trying to think
• 1:58:23
  of when the last time I had national chain pizza ones and it's been a
• 1:58:27
  long time. Well, you you know you might have better. Uh,
• 1:58:32
  small pizza chain restaurants up there. Much we have around here are just kind
• 1:58:38
  of they're okay to me. We we we have small pizza shop right here
• 1:58:44
  and they're pizzas. Like I said, they're just okay, but they're not
• 1:58:47
  They're not enough to where it's like, if I want to get a whole
• 1:58:50
  pizza. I'm gonna go to them. They're not that level of good,
• 1:58:55
  at least not the ones that I've tried out in my local city. There
• 1:58:58
  may be Asleep were one that I've missed out owner. I haven't tried yet.
• 1:59:00
  But you're trying infanitos like and all you can need pizza buffet, I
• 1:59:06
  don't think we got that here. In particulate terrible pizza buffets are amazing,
• 1:59:12
  Oh yeah, I love it. When I was a kid, Pizza Hut
• 1:59:16
  used to have a buffet. Oh god, your Pizza Hut used to be
• 1:59:19
  the goat back in the day, especially them dining ones. You walk in
• 1:59:23
  and you get that smell and they bringing out the man. Listen. I
• 1:59:27
  know pizza that maybe trash now, but back in the day, Pizza Pizza
• 1:59:30
  Hut was God's here, back in the prime Princess hey day. Yeah,
• 1:59:35
  fuck yeah, dining and Pizza Hut. I feel sorry for people who never
• 1:59:41
  got to experience that shit. Pizza cared. Yeah, back when Pizza Hut
• 1:59:45
  gave a shit. When Little Caesars was teamed up with Kmart outside when they
• 1:59:49
  were in their hating, yeah, Little Caesars wasn't trash back in the day
• 1:59:54
  either. I remember they used to have that bigfoot pizza I think was good.
• 2:00:00
  Welcome to pc W Pizza Championship, right, I promise we'll we'll eventually
• 2:00:09
  talk about the match at some point. But uh yeah, Like I said,
• 2:00:16
  the match gave me classic old school wrestling vibes like it just as well
• 2:00:24
  as throughout the entire show. I got notes of that and throughout the whole
• 2:00:28
  pay per view from like the main event, the uh the Women's World title
• 2:00:32
  match gave me that. The street fight gave me that vibe. Really,
• 2:00:35
  the last three matches gave me that vibe. The rest of the paper view
• 2:00:41
  before that was just felt like yeah, classic WW. But those last three
• 2:00:45
  I don't know whoever was producing the matches. They must have they must have
• 2:00:49
  been some they they've been some old school fans. They didn't watch some og
• 2:00:53
  shit, because those are the vibes I definitely got from some of them,
• 2:00:58
  especially in this match. And like I said, it was a good match.
• 2:01:01
  It was a good world title match worthy of this level of pay per
• 2:01:06
  view. You know, I don't know if this would be a great match
• 2:01:11
  if it was on, if it would have been like the main event of
• 2:01:13
  like a Survivor Series or something like that. Probably not, but for Payback
• 2:01:17
  it worked as as being a good main event of this caliber, slightly a
• 2:01:24
  step up from a raw main event, but not quite you know, Big
• 2:01:29
  four pay per view level main event. But it was a good match.
• 2:01:32
  Like I'd give it, give it three and a half stars. What do
• 2:01:38
  you think of it? Wayne, Yeah, I would agree three and a
• 2:01:40
  half maybe just four, maybe right underneath four. You know, it was
• 2:01:46
  just a little long in the tooth for this one, but it seemed like
• 2:01:49
  almost all the matches were like this, you know, just only having six
• 2:01:54
  matches and stretching it out for so long. You know. Let's let's if
• 2:02:00
  if you were doing a drinking game during this match. Every time Michael Cole
• 2:02:02
  says, uh, back, you take a shot back? You know.
• 2:02:08
  Uh he said back. Must have been like one hundred and something fucking times.
• 2:02:13
  Uh. You know if I felt like, uh, you know,
• 2:02:18
  as championship, you know, defending goes the flavor of the month almost because
• 2:02:27
  I don't I did see later on it wasn't in the paper view, but
• 2:02:32
  he got attacked again by shitint Sky at the end of the match. So
• 2:02:36
  yeah, after the matches. He was going to the back attacked on me
• 2:02:40
  again. Yea, and why help us that on the shows? So stupid?
• 2:02:45
  Yeah, so where do we go with shint Skate from here? Like?
• 2:02:50
  Did him and Seth continue h? Based upon what happened all raw,
• 2:02:56
  I would assume, So yeah, she's like the fuse going to continue.
• 2:03:00
  It looks like it's gone going to Yeah, we can't. You can't just
• 2:03:01
  have one match anymore. It's gotta be three at least the best of three
• 2:03:05
  series or the best of seven Remember that ship with Cizarro and Shamus the Best
• 2:03:14
  of seven series? God, I hate the best of sevens. I was
• 2:03:17
  like, oh shit, we're gonna drag this out this fucking long. It
• 2:03:23
  depends on the It depends on the people you have in the match, because
• 2:03:26
  there have been some great best of sevens in the past. Like the first
• 2:03:29
  one it comes to mind for me is uh Crispin Wad Book Best of seventh
• 2:03:32
  series. Yeah, well television title back in WCWAT and Kern Angle or was
• 2:03:41
  it kern Angle Brock. Maybe. Yeah, as long as they don't overdo
• 2:03:45
  it, it can work. Yeah, we're doing it constantly. You can
• 2:03:48
  only do it like every five years maybe yep, so three and a half
• 2:03:58
  for me. Yeah, Like I said, so, h what'd you think
• 2:04:02
  of the match? By the way, Jamie Noble was the producer. I
• 2:04:09
  thought Shin's cartoon entrance was pretty fucking cool. Us kind of a nice thing,
• 2:04:16
  but I'm not gonna bring around the bush. I thought the booking of
• 2:04:19
  this match sucked. It was just like, like, and it sucked.
• 2:04:27
  I say that because it was so long. If it had been twelve and
• 2:04:30
  fifteen minutes, it would have worked much better, Like, just shouldn't just
• 2:04:33
  beat the balls off of Rollins Roland hits his finish for once and he wins,
• 2:04:38
  Like that's basically that didn't need to be twenty five minutes, uh,
• 2:04:42
  you know, and then shouldn't just walking around at ringside like nothing happened?
• 2:04:46
  Uh? So it was kind of clue number one that something is going to
• 2:04:50
  happen, right, which gets into like I already said, why the fuck
• 2:04:56
  wasn't that attack after the match part of the show that drove me fuck nuts,
• 2:05:00
  like obviously something's gonna happen here and then they cut. Yeah, definitely,
• 2:05:03
  from from a booking standpoint, I agree with you. It would have
• 2:05:06
  made a lot more sense if they would have shown Sinskate's attack afterwards and ended
• 2:05:12
  the show with sinsk standing over a beat down seth. I think it was
• 2:05:16
  you that kind of like booked this whole like shit and goes after his back
• 2:05:24
  and beats him down and beats him down. But it's basically I think it's
• 2:05:28
  I think you pretty much nailed what's gonna happen here. Uh, Sh'S just
• 2:05:31
  gonna keep sneak attacking him and beat on that back and beat on that back
• 2:05:35
  and beat on that back, and he might not even win match number two
• 2:05:39
  either, but he's gonna take that much more out of him, and then
• 2:05:42
  maybe the third time he comes back and he finally you know, he snaps
• 2:05:45
  him over his knee, Alabaine, like you said. But yeah, it's
• 2:05:53
  just like this could have been they would have achieved the same thing and much
• 2:05:58
  less time. I think, or they should have had a different match,
• 2:06:01
  because I love both of these guys, and their performances were both very good.
• 2:06:05
  Uh but you know, like I said about the last match, it
• 2:06:09
  was very good, it never even approached being great. Uh So I don't
• 2:06:15
  know, I mean, I I just don't get why they did it that
• 2:06:18
  way. Yeah, I would go three and a half on it, just
• 2:06:24
  because they were two lesser performers having the same match would have been boring.
• 2:06:28
  It's fuck I think. Yeah, yeah, I guess I'm the only one
• 2:06:32
  who doesn't have a problem with the length of the match. But then again,
• 2:06:35
  maybe that's also because I washed it in two halves, right, Maybe
• 2:06:40
  that's why it didn't bother me as much. Yeah, well, you know,
• 2:06:43
  and maybe in a vacuum I wouldn't have minded it so much. But
• 2:06:45
  at that point, it's like, are you kidding me? You know,
• 2:06:47
  like, yeah, it's really time. Must have been some sort of a
• 2:06:51
  problem since I couldn't stay awake till the end of the damn thing. But
• 2:06:58
  yeah, so, uh yeah, I do think that is the direction that
• 2:07:00
  they're going with this feud, with what I guess the booking I previously pitched.
• 2:07:05
  I think we are nearing the end of seth Rolins title run. Now,
• 2:07:11
  whether Sinskate is going to be the one to finish it off, well,
• 2:07:16
  it's still to be determined, but shinsk is definitely going to be the
• 2:07:20
  one to wear him down to the point where whoever it's going to take the
• 2:07:25
  title off of him is going to be successful, whether they make himself be
• 2:07:30
  the one right, whether Shinska himself is the one that does it, or
• 2:07:35
  if Damian Priests cashes in and it's the one to do it. But I
• 2:07:40
  believe we're nearing the end. I do not see Seth Rollins keeping this title
• 2:07:45
  past Survivor series. I don't think. Yeah. I've been saying that this
• 2:07:50
  whole time, and he keeps winning. I think he just passed one hundred
• 2:07:55
  days the other day. Yep, he did. I just saw that,
• 2:07:58
  like think yesterday or something like that. He passed on good days. I
• 2:08:01
  don't think he makes it the two hundred. Let's see. Yeah, Uh,
• 2:08:09
  Wayne, any Doyle, any anybody else got any final thoughts on the
• 2:08:15
  paint event or the pay per view as a whole. You know what they
• 2:08:18
  could have. They could definitely fit the Intercontinental title match on here. But
• 2:08:22
  uh, you know, we got a pretty sweet rawl out of it.
• 2:08:26
  So, I mean Chad Gable and Gunter tearing down the house, you know,
• 2:08:33
  talk about you know, making you believe, like I believe. Man,
• 2:08:39
  I was like, holy crap, they could do it. Gets so
• 2:08:41
  close just to you know, just to not do it. Pretty crazy.
• 2:08:48
  This kid was crying yes, the kid that was crying. I wish he
• 2:08:54
  had cast on. That made it even funnier. I know, I laughed
• 2:08:58
  out loud because it was I think when they panned right to the kid and
• 2:09:03
  the kids just said, you could just see the kid in slow motion,
• 2:09:07
  just everything the whole world. You can always watch it now forever, and
• 2:09:13
  she still believes man at her day. She just watched her daddy get his
• 2:09:20
  ship kicked in on TV. God, okay, you reminded me of once
• 2:09:26
  again Beyond the Mat when mcfoley's kids watching him getting the rock just kicked the
• 2:09:31
  fucking you just dog shit out of you. Just never know how your family's
• 2:09:35
  gonna react just watching you get, you know, your ass handed to you
• 2:09:39
  and be like, no, I'm fine just getting you never know, but
• 2:09:43
  those heartless fuckers backstage, No, it's always possible. So be like camera
• 2:09:46
  number three, don't you take that fucking lens off. That kid, Yeah,
• 2:09:50
  about to break any fucking moment, you better get it. It's as
• 2:09:54
  soon as they pans with the kids, like you could just see it,
• 2:09:56
  like I was, oh my god, I was like laughing. Yep,
• 2:10:03
  it's backstage you see them. I was getting the water and He's like,
• 2:10:05
  yep, yep, yep, and he's second now and is he seconds?
• 2:10:09
  Soon as you see that two just start to just break over that bottom eyelid.
• 2:10:15
  Cut the camera rights to it. Boom, there it is. That's
• 2:10:18
  my moment ten years from now. That's your kid for that one time you
• 2:10:22
  cried on TV like what what are you talking about? I'm gonna show all
• 2:10:26
  your friends go and peacock right now, let's go. When you remember when
• 2:10:31
  you thought wrestling was reill and you cried because I lost the match. Dad,
• 2:10:35
  I'm thirty five years old. Leave it. Just drop this. It
• 2:10:39
  was years ago. That was a great that that I S title match was
• 2:10:46
  fucking great. I'm glad. I'm glad that it was smart enough to make
• 2:10:48
  that the main event and give it the proper time that it needed. And
• 2:10:56
  they still managed to have like three commercial braids. Yeah they say stayed,
• 2:11:01
  they stayed in picture and picture at least, but it's just like, what
• 2:11:05
  the fuck? So the next pay per view is NXT No Mercy. Oh,
• 2:11:13
  the next he's got the new the No Mercy mon name. Now I
• 2:11:18
  guess I might actually check it out. I mean, I mean, Becky,
• 2:11:24
  let's just gone over there and if you know Jodren days More were involved
• 2:11:30
  over there might be worth looking at shol see Baron Corbyn's been up too.
• 2:11:35
  You're still alive, buddy, You're still okay over there? Yeah, I
• 2:11:39
  might check it out because I mean the lass h NXT pay per view I
• 2:11:43
  watched was actually pretty damn good, even though I can't remember the name of
• 2:11:46
  it now at the top of my head. But it was the other one
• 2:11:48
  they had right before SummerSlam, I think, m oh right, yeah,
• 2:11:52
  I think it was the one right before is the one that had a Comma
• 2:11:56
  La Hayes defending the title against Dragon Off. Oh yeah, yeah, I
• 2:12:00
  heard about that. Yeah, yeah, I had that. It was actually
• 2:12:03
  it was. It was a really good pay per view and as it also
• 2:12:07
  had the triple threat match between up Dominic and Wesley and uh damn, I
• 2:12:13
  can't remember who the third competitor was for the North American title, so m
• 2:12:20
  hmm. I just want to point this out fast Lands, which comes after
• 2:12:24
  that, right, I'm looking at the post fascland as Cody Rhodes, Jay
• 2:12:31
  Husso, Bianca Bellair, who we know is stepping away for a couple of
• 2:12:35
  months, Seth Rollins Ria Ripley, Bobby Lashley, Osca, and Becky Lynch.
• 2:12:48
  M. That kind of seems like a generic placeholder poster. They like,
• 2:12:54
  just throw all the stars up there. Some of them will be up
• 2:12:56
  there, some of them might not be. And obviously as the show rolls
• 2:13:00
  around, we'll get a more defined poster reflective of the actual show. Because
• 2:13:07
  the poster for Payback this time around, yeah, was featured the judgment day
• 2:13:11
  on it, but I'm pretty sure that wasn't the poster for Payback, like
• 2:13:16
  you know, a month ago or two months ago. Yeah, oh yeah,
• 2:13:20
  yeah, I think we'll do that. It was like a generic thing.
• 2:13:24
  And then as it gets closer, but because you know, sometimes sometimes
• 2:13:28
  they leak, like like I remember if the Sammy's Ain't Elimination Chamber one leaked
• 2:13:33
  like before it was clear that he was going to be facing Roman for the
• 2:13:39
  title of that pay per view. So yeah, I think I think they
• 2:13:45
  try to avoid the leaks, but they happen exactly and sometimes shit just changes
• 2:13:52
  so much that the poster makes no sense whatsoever. M especially with them Havin,
• 2:14:00
  Bianca bell lare on the poster, and we don't know if she'll she's
• 2:14:03
  going to return by then or not, because she's out on basically in the
• 2:14:09
  extended vacation and it's getting some well deserved time off after all the grinds and
• 2:14:13
  she did as champion. So yeah, she could be gone for a couple
• 2:14:18
  of weeks, she could be gone for a couple of months. It's unknown.
• 2:14:22
  I'm assuming they. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see her.
• 2:14:28
  Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see her for the rest of
• 2:14:31
  the year. Although I don't think they'll keep her off TV that long.
• 2:14:33
  I would expect they might try to bring her back, maybe around the time
• 2:14:37
  of Survivor series, because they would probably want her star power for that show.
• 2:14:43
  But what's up with her reality show? I have no idea. I
• 2:14:48
  haven't heard shit about that since this year when it seemed like it was gonna
• 2:14:52
  happen. I don't know. Maybe that's good question, because I remember it
• 2:15:01
  was set to have happened, But yeah, I thought like they probably must
• 2:15:07
  have finished it by now. Think, Hey, I don't know, let's
• 2:15:13
  see yeah, I about say, oh yeah, I just hopped onto Googles
• 2:15:16
  and then he just build on blah blaha. How old Is this an article
• 2:15:22
  Because I feel like I'm I'm gonna click on an article, it's probably gonna
• 2:15:24
  be something like from like April or something parents on today's show up coming.
• 2:15:31
  Yeah. Yeah, well I don't see anything saying that it was. Yeah
• 2:15:35
  that articles from ten months ago. I don't see anything that says it's been
• 2:15:39
  canceled or anything. So it may still be in production and maybe it's just
• 2:15:43
  on hold for the time being. Yeah. This this says Slate it's a
• 2:15:50
  debut in twenty twenty three. Yeah, but this is also from November of
• 2:15:58
  last year. Okay, I probably find something better. Yeah. I think
• 2:16:03
  this one was pretty solid for only six matches. I think fucking Judgement Day
• 2:16:11
  dominated this whole paper view. That's one thing we take away from it.
• 2:16:18
  Oh yeah, this is a if they weren't already, they definitely are now
• 2:16:22
  like the dominant faction, especially with the Bloodline kind of being not even really
• 2:16:30
  around disassembled. Yeah. Like I said, there's gonna be a power vacuum,
• 2:16:37
  and I thought that they would fill it, and it looks like they
• 2:16:39
  have. Yeah, so uh, all right, I found it. One
• 2:16:48
  article from a month ago about the show just says they started rolling about the
• 2:16:52
  Bianco Billa reality show, but she said they started rolling cameras on the road
• 2:16:58
  to WrestleMania the nine earlier this year, so presumably is that's I guess that's
• 2:17:03
  where it'll start, so it'll be cover most of the stuff that's happened this
• 2:17:07
  year. So maybe that's probably why we haven't seen anything about it yet because
• 2:17:09
  it's been filming yea, so maybe now it's probably in post production. So
• 2:17:16
  and it said the film it will show black. She's described it as a
• 2:17:24
  feel good show that will heavily feature their family, So I guess we'll see
• 2:17:28
  mates Ford's family as well as Bianca's family, presumably their daughter which is not
• 2:17:35
  not by not Bianca's actual darts or step daughter, but Martes has a believe
• 2:17:41
  it's I think it's a daughter or Sunday has but mantes Ford does have a
• 2:17:45
  child from a previous relationship that Bianca Belair is the stepmother too, so I
• 2:17:52
  assume we probably see that, probably see their parents, Yeah, she said
• 2:17:56
  they shows the show features their lives at w WC stars and as husband and
• 2:18:01
  wife in and outside the ring. Their parents are on the show a lot.
• 2:18:05
  How they well, they balanced it all being sensible. We got Yatta
• 2:18:09
  stepmother to force two. Ford has two kids. Okay, I thought they
• 2:18:13
  only had one. So Blair has the stepmother to two children. We has
• 2:18:16
  from a previous relationship, so we'll see some of their family life as scheduled
• 2:18:22
  to hit Hulu later this year. So I don't know, I guess maybe
• 2:18:28
  I don't know if it was announced as part of Who's fall lineup, or
• 2:18:31
  maybe they'll save it for later on in the fall, towards the winter time
• 2:18:35
  or something. Man, I gotta put someone that goddamn show with this writer's
• 2:18:39
  strike picking sack strikes still going on. Yeah, that's true. Well,
• 2:18:45
  at least we've got John seen it for a couple of weeks, so so
• 2:18:52
  you know, it's funny right now. Right now, Roman reigns, Seth
• 2:18:58
  Rollins, John mos All, current champions. Shield is still dominating even though
• 2:19:07
  they're Yep, I just saw a meme. I just saw a meme earlier
• 2:19:11
  today that talked about that, you know, the meme with the three dragons.
• 2:19:15
  Yeah, where two look ferous and one looks dirt. Yeah, guess
• 2:19:18
  which, guess which? What's the Derby dragon? Shit? I mean yeah,
• 2:19:30
  I mean, it's it's crazy how they know they're off doing their own
• 2:19:37
  thing separated. You know they're all still being successful. Yeah, they're dominating
• 2:19:41
  right now. Like yeah, good for that. Just John just needs to
• 2:19:48
  focus back on wrestling and not deciding what random object he can crack himself in
• 2:19:54
  the head with her stick in his head to bleed with this week. It's
• 2:19:56
  like, you have to like every fucking match. Well, he had their
• 2:20:01
  last pay per view. He had a great match main event with Orange Cassidy.
• 2:20:05
  Win said championship and Orange Cassidy bled and Marks did not. That's the
• 2:20:11
  fucking first he was still covered in someone else's blood. Yeah that probably,
• 2:20:16
  Yeah, covered somebody else's blood. It's not mine. God, uh yeah,
• 2:20:26
  I mean, Dre you want to plug anything? Nothing really to plug
• 2:20:33
  it at this moment, Like you said, normally, you can just find
• 2:20:37
  me in the PCW Discord or any owhere else on Discord on the name Outlaw
• 2:20:43
  Star, find me on Instagram. D Underscore r Underscore more seven five seven
• 2:20:52
  other than that, see y'all on the next one. Yeah, Doyle,
• 2:20:56
  what are you on to plug? Well, I have to read to replug
• 2:21:01
  because we didn't end up recording the WrestleMania seven with the Carlos there, but
• 2:21:07
  we are going to be doing it Friday, I think, uh so look
• 2:21:11
  for that. What is it? We revisiting the Mania? Am I getting
• 2:21:15
  it right? Speaking to WrestleMania seven r ip to General Adnan who apparently died
• 2:21:22
  today. But yeah, other than that, I'll be uh doing Carlos podcast.
• 2:21:28
  You can find me in the Discord or right here on Pizza Championship Wrestling
• 2:21:37
  shit. Yeah, and you can find me anywhere as semi drow chicken.
• 2:21:41
  Uh, let's googe a slice of pizza, boys watchet which it's differ It
• 2:22:03
  doesn't matter what's your name. Oh yeah, let's screw you guys. I'm
• 2:22:24
  going home. Bye haf a great time.