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Vet Questions from July 29th, 2026 · The Radio From Hell Show - Best Of

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  Speaker 1: Free veterinary advice from doctor Josh Davis of Trilogy Veterinary
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  Speaker 1: Services in Sandy. Good morning, doctor Davis. How are you
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  Speaker 1: good morning?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm doing great.
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  Speaker 1: Good.
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  Speaker 3: We all take our dogs to see doctor Davis.
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  Speaker 4: Katie, Carrie and I. They're all patients of yours.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't take my cat Klaus because because it's not
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  Speaker 1: easy to get Klaus to go anywhere. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Cats never want to cooperate for anything.
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  Speaker 1: They don't is the art.
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  Speaker 5: We prefer your calls because with a text, it's inevitable
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  Speaker 5: he'll leave some detail out.
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  Speaker 1: So let's go to me. Shack. Good morning, me, Shack.
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  Speaker 6: Good morning, gentlemen, Thank you for.
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  Speaker 1: Taking Yeah, what's what's your question?
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  Speaker 6: I have an eight year old blonde lab that named
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  Speaker 6: Daisy that has an extreme amount of allergies that I'm
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  Speaker 6: trying to figure out how to deal with. The body smell,
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  Speaker 6: the ears, the all of the all of the stuff.
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  Speaker 6: Like I want to make it an outside dog. It's
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  Speaker 6: my mom's dog, it's not mine.
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  Speaker 2: And so okay.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, the labs are definitely notorious for having a lot
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  Speaker 7: of allergy issues, especially the lighter colored ones that can
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  Speaker 7: be a problem with allergies, especially it sounds.
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  Speaker 2: Like maybe more severe with yours.
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  Speaker 7: It's it's going to be a multiple kind of approach
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  Speaker 7: to getting that handled. So one is we have to
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  Speaker 7: treat the underlying allergy, which for a lot of dogs
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  Speaker 7: requires some form of medication, whether that's oral medication or
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  Speaker 7: injectable medication.
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  Speaker 6: We're doing side point monthly.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, side a point, Yeah, that's a good start, and
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  Speaker 7: then you may want to consider again the orals because
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  Speaker 7: side a point all of these things work in different
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  Speaker 7: ways and sometimes it takes different approaches to get there.
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  Speaker 7: With the skin smell, doing medicated bathing regularly and leave
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  Speaker 7: in mooses types of things that helps with the oil
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  Speaker 7: they can build up and the smell as well. And
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  Speaker 7: then for the ears, again getting allergies under control, but
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  Speaker 7: also treating the ears because they can become really difficult
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  Speaker 7: to manage and they can get resistant infections. So for
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  Speaker 7: dogs like this, you're often doing three, four or five
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  Speaker 7: different things, but really when you get them managed and
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  Speaker 7: you're consistent, they can do so much better and then
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  Speaker 7: they're not driving you crazy scratching and itching and licking
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  Speaker 7: all the time, and they're not driving themselves crazy as well.
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  Speaker 1: Does that make sense.
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  Speaker 6: Well, we did find that when she was on an
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  Speaker 6: antibiotic that the body smell would go away. Is that
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  Speaker 6: a signal of something different?
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  Speaker 7: No, the antibiotics and sometimes even steroids, they're they're effective
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  Speaker 7: for the short term, but they're not antibiotics. You can't
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  Speaker 7: really use them long term because you will develop resistant infections.
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  Speaker 7: But what that would tell me is if the signs improved,
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  Speaker 7: that there is probably ye store bacterial component in the skin.
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  Speaker 7: And that's where those topical medicated shampoos and bathings can help,
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  Speaker 7: because they don't they don't get into the system like
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  Speaker 7: antibiotics do.
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  Speaker 1: All right, good, Well let's a start.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, all right.
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  Speaker 7: They're difficult cases. Yeah, they're difficult cases, but you can
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  Speaker 7: get there.
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  Speaker 1: All right, thanks me, jack?
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  Speaker 5: Alrighty, all right, let's see here's a text question. How
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  Speaker 5: do I know if my male cat is overweight?
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  Speaker 2: That's a good one.
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  Speaker 4: Does it depend on the breed?
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  Speaker 2: Or breed can be a factor, Age can be a factor.
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  Speaker 7: But we go by what's called the body condition score,
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  Speaker 7: and that's a rating where we look at different parts
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  Speaker 7: of the body. The weight, the actual number of weight
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  Speaker 7: is a factor, but the body condition is more important
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  Speaker 7: because It doesn't care about size or shape or breed
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  Speaker 7: or anything like that.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, you can look that up. Body condition score.
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  Speaker 7: We do a nine point scale and if they're a
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  Speaker 7: five is ideal. If they're above a five, they're overweight
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  Speaker 7: or obese, and so that's the best way to gauge that.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's see max power. Here.
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  Speaker 5: We have two cats, Rum and Coke. They are both
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  Speaker 5: six years old, indoor cats. Here's the controversial question. Is
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  Speaker 5: it okay to get their nails declawed?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, that one I think was more controversial in the past.
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  Speaker 2: I think that in general.
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  Speaker 7: Personally, and I think the kind of the veterinary profession
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  Speaker 7: in general is against declined cats unless there's an actual
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  Speaker 7: medical reason, and that can be for the cat or
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  Speaker 7: in some cases there can be immune compromised folks that
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  Speaker 7: live with the cat, and sometimes being scratched can be
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  Speaker 7: a hazard for them.
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  Speaker 2: But there's very few situations.
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  Speaker 7: I haven't declawed a cat in probably fifteen years or something.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a long time.
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  Speaker 3: And you should provide them things that they can scratch on.
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  Speaker 7: And yeah, their environment is really important, so plenty of
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  Speaker 7: scratching posts and trees and all that stuff. You just
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  Speaker 7: want to draw them away from things you don't want
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  Speaker 7: them scratching.
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  Speaker 1: So my my mother had Siamese cats, always declawed them
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  Speaker 1: and uh, and they would go outside and they would
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  Speaker 1: still climb trees and catch birds and all that kind
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  Speaker 1: of stuff without their Yeah, they didn't seem to bother them.
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  Speaker 7: They can do okay, but the surgeries can also go
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  Speaker 7: wrong and then they're in pain their their whole life,
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  Speaker 7: and that's not ideal either.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Jenny. Hi, Jenny, how are
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  Speaker 1: you today? Hi? Yes, Jenny?
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  Speaker 6: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: What do you you have a You have a puppy?
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  Speaker 1: Is that right?
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  Speaker 8: I do I have? He's Abouue, just a little over
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  Speaker 8: a year old. He is a Border Collie piple mixed.
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  Speaker 1: Uh huh. And what's his name?
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  Speaker 8: Oliver?
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  Speaker 1: Oliver? Okay, what's what's the problem with Oliver?
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  Speaker 8: Well, Oliver likes the tea in the house a lot,
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  Speaker 8: but only tis sporadically, like when he gets excited and
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  Speaker 8: someone pets and the squat down and tea. If there's
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  Speaker 8: a loud noise down, yeah, you know, if it gets
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  Speaker 8: scare anything.
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  Speaker 1: I know the same thing happens, The same thing happens
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  Speaker 1: to me. I just submissive pe.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, you're probably getting into that that behavior category.
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  Speaker 7: So that fear or submissive peeing and so those dogs
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  Speaker 7: generally isn't a medical issue most of the time, especially
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  Speaker 7: if you can really pin down those circumstances. So the
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  Speaker 7: best thing to do for them is kind of working
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  Speaker 7: on the behaviors that seem to be a trigger for them,
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  Speaker 7: so trying to kind of countercondition, and that's where a
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  Speaker 7: lot of the behavior stuff. You're just trying to get
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  Speaker 7: them so that those situations aren't feel fearful or aren't.
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  Speaker 2: Scary for them.
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  Speaker 7: And and then as always, make sure you know there's
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  Speaker 7: no other medical issues. But yeah, it sounds like you're
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  Speaker 7: falling into that submissive or kind of fear category.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, great, all right, right, Jenny, it's a lot of work,
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  Speaker 1: it is.
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  Speaker 2: You know they'll get there though.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, let's see.
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  Speaker 1: Oh here we go, no question.
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  Speaker 5: But I wanted to thank mister Davis, he says, mister
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  Speaker 5: doctor Davis for his help with my daughter's mastiff last week.
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  Speaker 5: My daughter was certain, after seeking help from doctor Google,
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  Speaker 5: that her dog was never coming home again. Oh no,
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  Speaker 5: your amazing manner calmed them down.
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  Speaker 1: Good.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I like to hear, don't go to
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  Speaker 5: the computer for the diagnosis.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, for animals or people'll just make you more scared
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  Speaker 7: off and than the facts are usually all right.
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  Speaker 1: Back now with doctor Josh Davis. He is the chief veterinarian,
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  Speaker 1: the head veterinarian though of Trilogy Veterinary Services in Sandy,
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  Speaker 1: and he can answer questions about your dogs and your cat.
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  Speaker 5: So call us all right, let's go to Sailor Swift's mom.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, good morning, what's your problem? What is Swift?
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  Speaker 9: Saylor Swift is my Navy sailor that is on an
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  Speaker 9: aircraft carrier you know where.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, that's not her pet, so.
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  Speaker 9: It's not my pet. But when Saylor Swift went to
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  Speaker 9: boot camp, her pet was peing all over her room,
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  Speaker 9: like the room that she moved out of, and it
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  Speaker 9: made me crazy, and like, we're gonna have to change
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  Speaker 9: the carpet because it's it. I just can't get the
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  Speaker 9: smell out.
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  Speaker 4: It's awful.
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  Speaker 9: But now her sister is going to college, and so
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  Speaker 9: now there's another change in that name cat's life, and
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  Speaker 9: so I'm just wondering, how do I how do I
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  Speaker 9: not other than just shutting the door and never letting
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  Speaker 9: the cat in that room. Now her brothers. The brothers
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  Speaker 9: are going to take over the room.
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  Speaker 4: But keep us from that ping that do it?
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  Speaker 1: If you just not let the cat in that room,
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  Speaker 1: and you know what will happen.
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  Speaker 9: She'll scratch the doorposts. He's a naughty girl.
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  Speaker 1: Watch the cats name.
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  Speaker 9: Jupiter, two cats, Jupiter and Neptune.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe just talk about how that's a cat behavior that
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  Speaker 3: when they're upset they can do that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, cats are.
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  Speaker 7: They're not big fans of change, especially if someone you
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  Speaker 7: know important in their life leaves and once a room
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  Speaker 7: gets marked like that, you know, sometimes the extreme is
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  Speaker 7: changing the carpet, but also there's just a risk of
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  Speaker 7: that you can almost never get rid of it on
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  Speaker 7: the level that cats can smell it and notice it.
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  Speaker 7: But enzymatic cleaners are really important. You don't want to
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  Speaker 7: just use shampoos because you got to break that down.
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  Speaker 7: But the bigger thing in challenges the behavior part of it.
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  Speaker 7: So one is that you know someone leaving it stressful,
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  Speaker 7: so we have to manage their stress and their behaviors
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  Speaker 7: that way.
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  Speaker 2: There are some.
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  Speaker 7: Really good foods that can help with that, are really
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  Speaker 7: good supplements that can help with that. And also you know,
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  Speaker 7: I mean not allowing access if that's doable, and kind
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  Speaker 7: of redirecting, so if they are scratching at the door
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  Speaker 7: frames or post, is trying to pull them to other places,
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  Speaker 7: and that's again using supplements, foods, the pheromone things, cat
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  Speaker 7: trees play, just anything you can to draw them away
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  Speaker 7: and kind of distract them from that. And then in
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  Speaker 7: the more extreme cases where it's like, you know, I
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  Speaker 7: don't know what else to do with the cat, I
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  Speaker 7: think there are times where behavioral medications are also very
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  Speaker 7: important in some of those cases as well.
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  Speaker 1: I have a suggestion maybe this would work. Show Jupiter
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  Speaker 1: a picture of Sailor Swift every day, at least once
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  Speaker 1: a day, two or three times a day.
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  Speaker 9: Look, I have a little shrine. I'm also Catholic like Gina,
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  Speaker 9: and so I do have a little shrine and it
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  Speaker 9: has Saint Michael, and we have a lot of Sealer
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  Speaker 9: Swift memorabilia around because we're real proud of her.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, show the cats one of that off, say
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  Speaker 1: and then and then just say, don't worry Jupiter, she'll
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  Speaker 1: be back.
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  Speaker 9: Oh my goodness, I hope she's Christmas. It's terrible, isn't it.
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  Speaker 9: And I found out they still aren't getting fresh fruits
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  Speaker 9: and vegetables. You guys work. They're out of canned fruits
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  Speaker 9: and vegetables on the ship too.
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  Speaker 1: Well. I kind of like canned peaches, but they're out
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  Speaker 1: of them, built them, they're.
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  Speaker 9: Them very well. They're not feeding them very well at all.
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  Speaker 1: It's gruel three times a day.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you joke, that's about right.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, get pancakes as much as they want.
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  Speaker 5: We can't send them any bags of lettuce.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thank thanks for your question. I hope that was
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  Speaker 1: help you.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was more helpful to the mother than
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  Speaker 1: the cat.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, let's see, Okay, let's see if if this makes
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  Speaker 5: any sense to you, because I.
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  Speaker 1: Again we'd prefer your phone called.
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  Speaker 5: We rescue a pup who's our best guess, eight months old.
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  Speaker 5: She has double canines on the bottom. Oh okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: should we have them removed?
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  Speaker 1: Her name is James.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: The the double canine that's that's retained puppy teeth generally there,
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  Speaker 7: and these should be removed because they will cause a
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  Speaker 7: lot of early damage and wear and tear to the
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  Speaker 7: adult canine teeth. Because there's crowding in a lot more
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  Speaker 7: places for things to hide bacteria in plaque, so I
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  Speaker 7: would get them removed because they do often cause trouble
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  Speaker 7: down the road.
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  Speaker 1: Bad Brad Wheeler wants to know, he texted me how
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  Speaker 1: often should he get his cat's teeth cleaned?
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  Speaker 2: Annually? Is the recommendation?
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  Speaker 1: Once you yar.
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  Speaker 5: Brad, let's see. Okay, our five pound multipoo is nearly
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  Speaker 5: four months old. She loves to nibble and bite us
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  Speaker 5: on the hands. Razor sharp teeth are not harmless. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: we consistently and firmly tell her no biting, and she stops,
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  Speaker 5: but she continues to do it at other times with
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  Speaker 5: us consistently telling her no, Will she grow out of
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  Speaker 5: this or is there something else that we need to
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  Speaker 5: be doing?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, most dogs will grow out of it.
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  Speaker 7: And again, doing the making sure they have a toy
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  Speaker 7: or something to redirect that behavior too, is important.
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  Speaker 2: We're also at this age starting to teeth.
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  Speaker 7: And losing teeth, so between four and six months of age,
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  Speaker 7: they do start to lose their teeth and so you
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  Speaker 7: can often see an uptick and that chewing behavior during
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  Speaker 7: that period of time.
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  Speaker 4: But I like the congs that you can get to fill.
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  Speaker 2: With like toys and treats and stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that they can non.
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  Speaker 7: You just don't want your hand to be the toy because, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: puppy teeth are very sharp and especially depending on our
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  Speaker 7: age too. You know, your skin just gets more fragile
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  Speaker 7: as though. Do you get and I've seen some owners
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  Speaker 7: get some pretty you know, the dog's not even being mean,
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  Speaker 7: it's just playing, but some pretty horrific scratches and scrapes
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  Speaker 7: and stuff.
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  Speaker 5: All right, Hi, thanks for letting me listen. I'm curious.
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  Speaker 5: We take our dogs camping and rafting regularly. One of
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  Speaker 5: our dogs, Berry, seems to get depressed for a week
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  Speaker 5: after we come home.
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  Speaker 4: They have fun. Yeah, I like that.
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  Speaker 5: He likes returning to the real real world. But he's
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  Speaker 5: a freeloader without any job. Any tips, any tips on
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  Speaker 5: helping him feel less sad.
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  Speaker 4: This is about my dogs.
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  Speaker 3: When we go to the farm on the weekends, they
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  Speaker 3: they will hide.
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  Speaker 4: They know it's time to go. They will hide under
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  Speaker 4: benches and stuff. They do not want to get in
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  Speaker 4: the car. They know what's happening. We don't want to
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  Speaker 4: go back to the city.
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  Speaker 2: It's like kids.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, they're doing something fun and they just want to
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  Speaker 7: keep doing it. And so I think that's part of it,
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  Speaker 7: is they really if they really enjoy those activities, and
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  Speaker 7: also they do and to be pretty active and often
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  Speaker 7: above normal, so they can just be kind of worn
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  Speaker 7: out for a few days afterwards too, if they've been
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  Speaker 7: really busy, but you know, trying to get them back
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  Speaker 7: to something they enjoy doing in the meantime, you know,
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  Speaker 7: just to take their mind off of it, but do
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  Speaker 7: the fun stuff as much as you can.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think dogs love it.
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  Speaker 1: We love it. I think they just don't want to
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  Speaker 1: be cooped up in a house with you and Joe.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're free to run up there.
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  Speaker 5: Trap the trash man texting in. Have you seen Jimothy?
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  Speaker 5: Should we be concerned?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? You know about that Jimothy. You seen Jimothy the
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  Speaker 1: deformed raccoon in Seattle.
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  Speaker 4: He has short spine syndrome.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'll have to look that up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's creepy looking. Do we have the video? Lookai, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think we have the video. We might have the
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  Speaker 1: video of Timothy.
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  Speaker 5: X ninety six dot com slash live. We have video
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  Speaker 5: of Jimothy running.
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  Speaker 4: He's a famous raccoon, his internet famous.
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  Speaker 1: Now, somebody somebody said that they there might be a
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  Speaker 1: whole a group of them, or he's a descendant from
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  Speaker 1: other raccoons that had the same problem.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the line, we're just got a nice text here.
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  Speaker 3: While she's looking for that, I just want to say
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  Speaker 3: I recently had a visit with Trilogy, and I really
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  Speaker 3: appreciate the friendly service.
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  Speaker 2: I love that.
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  Speaker 7: I always want to hear otherwise because that's that's what
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  Speaker 7: we're all about, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, compliments are nice, but really what helps his criticism.
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  Speaker 2: Bad It helps us do better in the future.
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  Speaker 4: We like Trilogy because.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's a that's a picture of him.
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  Speaker 5: Wow, it's not the video of him running, which is
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  Speaker 5: really creepy I could imagine.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, of course he's.
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  Speaker 5: Got the long legs with the short body.
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  Speaker 1: He seems to be getting along just fine, you know.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, if all the right parts are there, you know,
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  Speaker 7: I think they get it figured out.
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  Speaker 2: But that's wild.
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  Speaker 5: And now the Chatter has found pictures of other animals
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  Speaker 5: that have short spine syndrome.
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  Speaker 2: Like dogs.
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  Speaker 5: Oh oh, okay, creepy.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: All right, anyway, Well, thank you doc.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: All right, we'll see you guys.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Trilogy Veterinary Services in Sandy, thank you very much.